My! My!    Better shut this ICAC thingo down Libs - some very interesting things came out today!

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/icac-more-than-400000-in-hidden-donations-funnelled-through-liberal-party-slush-fund-run-by-former-minister-chris-hartcher/story-fnii5s3x-1226898341297

The Liberals have a lot of explaining to do!

the chickens are coming home to roost. ....  ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL!!!!

Twitter

Tony Abbott Verified account
‏@TonyAbbottMHR


ICAC #ThisIsLabor

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mps-used-law-firm-to-launder-donation-funds-icac-hears-20140428-zr0np.html Oops!

totally shameful...I am disgusted...

slush funds where have I heard that before????..

so do you lefties agree that anyone found by either ICAC or a ROYAL to be corrupt /breaking their own rules/stealing/lying/cheating..you name it?..

needs to be hung out to dry..

or are you only after Lin scalps...which is a shame.

but not entirely unexpected..as I do not recall any lefties being sickened by the Obeid corruptions in fact they didnt like any righty talking about it.. ::) ::)

just would like to know thats all..no need to abuse.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

LOL!!!! Twitter Tony Abbott Verified account ‏@TonyAbbottMHR ICAC #ThisIsLabor

fair enough.. BUT WHO BROUGHT IN ICAC OR THE ROYALS>>????

sorry mate but not LABOR>

As long as they establish the rules for cheating and fraud and theft  and insider trading and 'jobs for the cronies' etc - and end up catching the lot - I'll be content.  Party has no relevance when they are criminals and cheats of the public purse.

Pirates Of The Current Eon

At Water's End!

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: LOL!!!! Twitter Tony Abbott Verified account ‏@TonyAbbottMHR ICAC #ThisIsLabor fair enough.. BUT WHO BROUGHT IN ICAC OR THE ROYALS>>???? sorry mate but not LABOR>

Just laughing because Tony was so smug thinking he was only going to catch little labor fishies but ended up catching more lib fishies.

I know it's not over yet, we'll tally up on the last day. I just hope it teaches them a lesson but I doubt it, they'll just cover their tracks better from now on.

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

totally shameful...I am disgusted... slush funds where have I heard that before????.. so do you lefties agree that anyone found by either ICAC or a ROYAL to be corrupt /breaking their own rules/stealing/lying/cheating..you name it?.. needs to be hung out to dry.. or are you only after Lin scalps...which is a shame. but not entirely unexpected..as I do not recall any lefties being sickened by the Obeid corruptions in fact they didnt like any righty talking about it.. ::) ::)

I think you're suffering from the same disease as Sinodinos and others - selective amnesia. There's been loads of condemnation from across the political spectrum denouncing corrupt behaviour in general without regard for political affiliation. You won't find many left-leaning posters defending Obeid.

It is good that ICAC exists to kick over the political rocks to see what hides beneath. Like most posters, I want political corruption brought forth and punished without regard to political affiliation.

We cannot, however, look at the outcome of the latest ICAC hearings without some sense of irony. This is why Abbott's ill-judged tweet gets reposted a bit.

Quote:

NSW Premier Mike Baird has asked Liberal MP Marie Ficarra to step aside as parliamentary secretary advising the premier after a dramatic opening morning of an Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiry into abuse of electoral funding laws.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mp-marie-ficarra-asked-to-step-aside-over-corruption-inquiry-20140428-zr0np.html

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Quote: NSW Premier Mike Baird has asked Liberal MP Marie Ficarra to step aside as parliamentary secretary advising the premier after a dramatic opening morning of an Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiry into abuse of electoral funding laws. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mp-marie-ficarra-asked-to-step-aside-over-corruption-inquiry-20140428-zr0np.html

$5000 seems to be a recurring theme within the LNP.

Bam wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm: totally shameful...I am disgusted... slush funds where have I heard that before????.. so do you lefties agree that anyone found by either ICAC or a ROYAL to be corrupt /breaking their own rules/stealing/lying/cheating..you name it?.. needs to be hung out to dry.. or are you only after Lin scalps...which is a shame. but not entirely unexpected..as I do not recall any lefties being sickened by the Obeid corruptions in fact they didnt like any righty talking about it.. ::) ::) I think you're suffering from the same disease as Sinodinos and others - selective amnesia. There's been loads of condemnation from across the political spectrum denouncing corrupt behaviour in general without regard for political affiliation. You won't find many left-leaning posters defending Obeid. It is good that ICAC exists to kick over the political rocks to see what hides beneath. Like most posters, I want political corruption brought forth and punished without regard to political affiliation. We cannot, however, look at the outcome of the latest ICAC hearings without some sense of irony. This is why Abbott's ill-judged tweet gets reposted a bit.

really perhaps you can post some up.. as you seem to have such a good memory you wont have a bit of trouble finding them will you?

I DIDNT SAY DEFEND>>. read the content..

I SAID SICKENED BY HIS DISHONESTY...

and no I didnt see any of that....but would like to read what I missed..

Abbott I am sure would be up front and say well so be it.. if they are crooked weed them out dont care who they are..its sad to think this goes on...

but no one claimed GILLARD OR RUDD knew about what went on in NSW Labor..

so I assume no one expects Abbott to be aware of what goes on in NSW LIBS.



when will questions be asked about the BIGGEST DONATION IN AUST HISTORY

WOTIF?

Aussie wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:22pm: Quote: NSW Premier Mike Baird has asked Liberal MP Marie Ficarra to step aside as parliamentary secretary advising the premier after a dramatic opening morning of an Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiry into abuse of electoral funding laws. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mp-marie-ficarra-asked-to-step-aside-over-corruption-inquiry-20140428-zr0np.html $5000 seems to be a recurring theme within the LNP.

twice,.. WOW

well its not like $100 million is it???..... ::) ::)

$5000 that would have been someones lunch money from what I have read..

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/former-nsw-energy-minister-chris-hartcher-in-400k-donation-sham-icac-hears/story-e6frgczx-1226898352990

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmR4r_cCIAEdQNC.png

So true.

Both sides of politics must be icacking themselves tonight!   ;D

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:11pm: cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 5:31pm: totally shameful...I am disgusted... slush funds where have I heard that before????.. so do you lefties agree that anyone found by either ICAC or a ROYAL to be corrupt /breaking their own rules/stealing/lying/cheating..you name it?.. needs to be hung out to dry.. or are you only after Lin scalps...which is a shame. but not entirely unexpected..as I do not recall any lefties being sickened by the Obeid corruptions in fact they didnt like any righty talking about it.. ::) ::) I think you're suffering from the same disease as Sinodinos and others - selective amnesia. There's been loads of condemnation from across the political spectrum denouncing corrupt behaviour in general without regard for political affiliation. You won't find many left-leaning posters defending Obeid. It is good that ICAC exists to kick over the political rocks to see what hides beneath. Like most posters, I want political corruption brought forth and punished without regard to political affiliation. We cannot, however, look at the outcome of the latest ICAC hearings without some sense of irony. This is why Abbott's ill-judged tweet gets reposted a bit. really perhaps you can post some up.. as you seem to have such a good memory you wont have a bit of trouble finding them will you?

Use the search function and look for "Obeid" and "corrupt"


Quote:

I DIDNT SAY DEFEND>>. read the content.. I SAID SICKENED BY HIS DISHONESTY...

Don't move the goalposts by pretending to be speaking in any other manner than metaphorically.


Quote:

and no I didnt see any of that....but would like to read what I missed..

You were posting in those threads. You should be well aware that very few people (if any) were defending Obeid, even among the left-leaning posters.


Quote:

Abbott I am sure would be up front and say well so be it.. if they are crooked weed them out dont care who they are..its sad to think this goes on... but no one claimed GILLARD OR RUDD knew about what went on in NSW Labor..

Of course not.

Gillard - Victorian Labor MP originally from South Australia.
Rudd - Queensland Labor MP.

No NSW there.


Quote:

so I assume no one expects Abbott to be aware of what goes on in NSW LIBS.

Abbott - NSW Liberal MP.

Oh look. NSW.

Abbott is more likely to know what is going on in his own branch of his party than Rudd or Gillard knew what went on in other branches. I'm not claiming he knew, but he is on record as wanting to crack down on lobbyists within his own party several months ago. Why is this?

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:26pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 6:22pm: Quote: NSW Premier Mike Baird has asked Liberal MP Marie Ficarra to step aside as parliamentary secretary advising the premier after a dramatic opening morning of an Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiry into abuse of electoral funding laws. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mp-marie-ficarra-asked-to-step-aside-over-corruption-inquiry-20140428-zr0np.html $5000 seems to be a recurring theme within the LNP. twice,.. WOW well its not like $100 million is it???..... ::) ::) $5000 that would have been someones lunch money from what I have read..

Maybe so, but it's the thought that counts....... I say ten years each or hang 'em high!

Bam wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Quote: so I assume no one expects Abbott to be aware of what goes on in NSW LIBS. Abbott - NSW Liberal MP. Oh look. NSW. Abbott is more likely to know what is going on in his own branch of his party than Rudd or Gillard knew what went on in other branches. I'm not claiming he knew, but he is on record as wanting to crack down on lobbyists within his own party several months ago. Why is this?

I think he may have had a slight inkling of what was going on.....


Quote:

TONY Abbott has stepped in to take control of the scandal ridden NSW Liberal Party demanding that his most senior political advisor be parachuted in to take control of the branch ahead of a second round of ICAC corruption hearings. It is understood that Tony Nutt, a special advisor to Tony Abbott will be confirmed Monday afternoon as the new State director of the NSW Liberal Party — a position that has been vacant for six months. Sources claimed that the Prime Minister and NSW Premier Mr Baird approached Mr Nutt to take on the role to sort out the faction riddled branch, which will be at the centre of a second round of corruption hearings to begin this week into the AWH affair. The State executive will meet Monday afternoon or Tuesday to confirm the appointment of Mr Nutt, who will have the strong recommendation of both Mr Abbott and Mr Baird. Mr Abbott is privately furious at the disarray in the NSW branch and the corruption scandal that has not only cost the Liberal Party a premier, but one of Mr Abbott’s most senior frontbenchers, Arthur Sinodinos.

http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-nutt-set-to-be-confirmed-as-the-new-state-director-of-the-nsw-liberal-party/story-fncynjr2-1226897663740

:D :D

I feel that there could be some re-structuring of ICAC before years end...

;)

Corby Standard of Guilt - if it's in his boogie board bag - it's his!

This reminds me of John Howard and the distance between him and Tony Abbott and Peter Costello when they had a slush fund to do down Pauline Hanson.  When it all came out in public, Wee Johnnie was 'shocked' and threw his hands in the air, saying like The Good Sergeant Schultz:-

"I know NU-THING!  I see NU-THING!".

It was in his boogie board bag, though.....

Where's our mate labourarecorrupt?

Bet he won't show his face around this thread.

Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean.

Labor, Liberal, Liberal, Labor, they're all as crook as one another.

You have to wonder if there are ANY decent politicians left in this country?? Maybe Xenophon and Madigan?

What gets me is how anyone could support either of the major two parties, whilst criticising the other side for doing something that their favourrd side has done as well - hypocrites, all of you, and from both sides.

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean.

now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing..

since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?...

in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp...

at least give me a bit of credit once in a while ..

O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>.

yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him..

thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::)

what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them..

their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job..

those guys have no job to lose do they?

so what punishment would you give them?

john_g wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

Labor, Liberal, Liberal, Labor, they're all as crook as one another. You have to wonder if there are ANY decent politicians left in this country?? Maybe Xenophon and Madigan? What gets me is how anyone could support either of the major two parties, whilst criticising the other side for doing something that their favourrd side has done as well - hypocrites, all of you, and from both sides.

you do have a point of course..and its terrible really that we are witnessing this in this day and age..

its not as if they dont get enough is it??..

anyway I personally am a liberal thinker..I dont buy the everyone is equal no matter what...

that is unless we are all rich with huge bank accounts.. ::) ::)

the unions guys pay themselves pretty hefty salaries.. more than any of their members would earn anyway..

what was it Williamson was getting..


MICHAEL Williamson defrauded millions from the union protecting some of the state’s lowest paid workers to ensure his private school educated children did not suffer from “financial hardship”, despite his $500,000 salary.

plus perks.. and it wasnt enough..

I dont tar all pollies with the same brush but its good to see them being sorted out and the penalty should be high because of the position of trust that they have had..

thats if they ever want us to trust them again..



we are not hypocrites at all. we just dont give up because of a few rotten apples..

strewth if we did that at every turn... the country would be in a right old state..

get over it sunshine..this way at least we know someone is watching the bastards.

It seems both sides are as corrupt as each other.

Lobo wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

I feel that there could be some re-structuring of ICAC before years end... ;)

is it because of that damn budget emergency again???? bloody labor, wasted all that money now we can't even afford ICAC

;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them?

when the topic is about liberal corruption, why is it that you invest 5 words on the libs, and another 50 on labor or lefties?

you can pretend you condemn libs, and strictly speaking you do, but your constant attempts to deflect to labor and attacking 'lefties' show you for the true hypocrite you are. All you try to do is deflect deflect deflect

how about just condemning the people mentioned in the OP without mentioning labor, just once?   I'm betting you can't do it you're so rusted on.

Quote:

s it because of that damn budget emergency again???? bloody labor, wasted all that money now we can't even afford ICAC

That'll more than likely be the reason given......

:D

Lobo wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

Quote: s it because of that damn budget emergency again???? bloody labor, wasted all that money now we can't even afford ICAC That'll more than likely be the reason given...... :D

I'd bet $100 thats the reason given  ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;)

Will also be very interesting to see what unexpected surprises Abbott's RC throws up....

The shredders in high places will be going into overdrive.

;D ;D

Lobo wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Will also be very interesting to see what unexpected surprises Abbott's RC throws up.... The shredders in high places will be going into overdrive. ;D ;D

I have a sneaking suspicion that the RC will also come back to bite him on the budgie smugglers ...... it couldn't happen to a nicer guy  ;D ;D ;D

Lobo wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

Quote: Is it because of that damn budget emergency again???? bloody labor, wasted all that money now we can't even afford ICAC That'll more than likely be the reason given...... :D

I doubt they will try this.

The best way of dealing with an infection is to lance it and let the pus flow free, rather than covering it up and letting it fester.

So too would corruption be best dealt with by breaking it open and drawing it out rather than hiding it. If the Liberals try to cover it up, they might win an election or two, but when it eventually comes out it will come out hard and the Liberals could suffer an election loss as devastating as the one that NSW Labor suffered for similar reasons.

Even if they did try it, too much has already come out for the public to be convinced.

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them?

I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted.

As for sentencing, that is up to the judge.

What I do not understand is how the Liberal party and senior members did not know, or remember where the money was coming from.....Surely someone within the party must have had some idea???

:-? :-? :-?

doesn't matter who they are or what party they are in if they are found out then they need to go....

everybody should be welcoming this no matter what... at least most of them are so ashamed of themselves that they have "resigned" ...

this is a good message too... we've seen some hang around for years living off the tax payer until they are finally dumped or thrown out by the people at the next election...

this will bring in a new wave of honest (cough) politician who isn't making decisions based on who is filling their pockets the most...

True Blue... wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:15am:

doesn't matter who they are or what party they are in if they are found out then they need to go.... everybody should be welcoming this no matter what... at least most of them are so ashamed of themselves that they have "resigned" ... this is a good message too... we've seen some hang around for years living off the tax payer until they are finally dumped or thrown out by the people at the next election... this will bring in a new wave of honest (cough) politician who isn't making decisions based on who is filling their pockets the most...

The sacrificial Lamb.....The party must have known where the money was coming from yet senior members remained silent.....Just because someone jumps on their sword does not mean they acted alone!!!

>:( >:( >:(

I think there have been four people that have stood down now...

there will be more to come and charges laid...

people want to see justice and feel that in the past we've never seen it...

just recently we are starting to see a change where these crooks will be weeded out and taken down...

we just need a national standard of ICAC as some other states seem a bit weak...

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:24am:

True Blue... wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 7:15am: doesn't matter who they are or what party they are in if they are found out then they need to go.... everybody should be welcoming this no matter what... at least most of them are so ashamed of themselves that they have "resigned" ... this is a good message too... we've seen some hang around for years living off the tax payer until they are finally dumped or thrown out by the people at the next election... this will bring in a new wave of honest (cough) politician who isn't making decisions based on who is filling their pockets the most... The sacrificial Lamb.....The party must have known where the money was coming from yet senior members remained silent.....Just because someone jumps on their sword does not mean they acted alone!!! >:( >:( >:(

true..its hard to believe that no one knew about it..??? come on we didnt come down with yesterdays shower...

its like the obeids corruption he was doing it for years.... yet no one noticed....I dont believe it.

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:17am:

cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:29pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them? I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted. As for sentencing, that is up to the judge.

oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused...

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Apr 28^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

It seems both sides are as corrupt as each other.

the country was born on corruption.. THE RUM REBELLION..  not a lot has changed its just more sophisticated  and the prizes are bigger..and the cheats/thieves  more arrogant..

What began two years ago as a referral to authorities of a suspicious $5000 political donation from a central coast builder has grown into a full-blown inquiry that threatens to expose the entire election funding structure of the NSW Liberal Party.

As it does so, the latest Independent Commission Against Corruption investigation is also threatening the careers of a serving minister, a former minister and three government backbenchers, while raising serious questions about the actions of some of the NSW party's most senior officials.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-inquiry-opening-up-a-can-of-liberal-worms-20140428-zr0sy.html

Wow - it certainly is expanding

Where's Bobby and his gallows? Hang 'em, and hang 'em HIGH!

And yes, the Usual (ethnic) Suspects have been found to be the initiators of these corrupt shenanigans.

It really is time the internal investigation units began 'ethnic profiling' of our politicians for corrupt practices. Habits from the Old Countries die hard.

Nabil Gazal ~ Lebanese. The main player who initiated the corruption and got it snowballing among his venal dupes.

Eddie Obeid ~ Lebanese. Ditto the above.

And now we've got more of the Usual Suspects being unearthed from their hiding places:

Marie Ficarra

Paul Nicolaou

Ethnic blood is thicker than water.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Where's Bobby and his gallows? Hang 'em, and hang 'em HIGH! And yes, the Usual (ethnic) Suspects have been found to be the initiators of these corrupt shenanigans. It really is time the internal investigation units began 'ethnic profiling' of our politicians for corrupt practices. Habits from the Old Countries die hard. Nabil Gazal ~ Lebanese. The main player who initiated the corruption and got it snowballing among his venal dupes. Eddie Obeid ~ Lebanese. Ditto the above. And now we've got more of the Usual Suspects being unearthed from their hiding places: Marie Ficarra Paul Nicolaou Ethnic blood is thicker than water.

Lol, right.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Where's Bobby and his gallows? Hang 'em, and hang 'em HIGH! And yes, the Usual (ethnic) Suspects have been found to be the initiators of these corrupt shenanigans. It really is time the internal investigation units began 'ethnic profiling' of our politicians for corrupt practices. Habits from the Old Countries die hard. Nabil Gazal ~ Lebanese. The main player who initiated the corruption and got it snowballing among his venal dupes. Eddie Obeid ~ Lebanese. Ditto the above. And now we've got more of the Usual Suspects being unearthed from their hiding places: Marie Ficarra Paul Nicolaou Ethnic blood is thicker than water.

its interesting but most of the gangs are also of the same..........well.. you know what???

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Where's Bobby and his gallows? Hang 'em, and hang 'em HIGH! And yes, the Usual (ethnic) Suspects have been found to be the initiators of these corrupt shenanigans. It really is time the internal investigation units began 'ethnic profiling' of our politicians for corrupt practices. Habits from the Old Countries die hard. Nabil Gazal ~ Lebanese. The main player who initiated the corruption and got it snowballing among his venal dupes. Eddie Obeid ~ Lebanese. Ditto the above. And now we've got more of the Usual Suspects being unearthed from their hiding places: Marie Ficarra Paul Nicolaou Ethnic blood is thicker than water.

how convenient of you to leave the names with an anglo background !!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Chris Hartcher ,Anthony Roberts, Darren Webber, Chris Spence  ...I'm sure theres more but I've gotta run

idiot,

In a country where a large portion of the population has an ethnic background, its not hard to find ethnics in any large groupings .....

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 8:51am: Where's Bobby and his gallows? Hang 'em, and hang 'em HIGH! And yes, the Usual (ethnic) Suspects have been found to be the initiators of these corrupt shenanigans. It really is time the internal investigation units began 'ethnic profiling' of our politicians for corrupt practices. Habits from the Old Countries die hard. Nabil Gazal ~ Lebanese. The main player who initiated the corruption and got it snowballing among his venal dupes. Eddie Obeid ~ Lebanese. Ditto the above. And now we've got more of the Usual Suspects being unearthed from their hiding places: Marie Ficarra Paul Nicolaou Ethnic blood is thicker than water. Lol, right.

There's definitely a hang-over here from the Old Country.

We've got about 95% Anglos in Federal and State governments ~ with about 0.001% of them being found corrupt ... and then we've got about 5% ethnics in Federal and State government ~ with damn-near half of them floating to the surface as buoyant faeces in any of the corruption inquiries.

And all this from ONE day at this ICAC hearing! What a stinking mess.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-exminister-the-tycoons-the-super-yacht-and-the-corrupt-political-system-20140428-zr0ss.html
More on the matter from the indefatigable Kate McClymont – and Geoffrey Watson’s magnificent quip about The Parrot.
here is The Guardian’s take on ICAC.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/icac-shadowy-political-fundraisers-dragged-into-the-light-of-day
Sean Nichols on the can of worms that is the NSW Liberal Party.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-inquiry-opening-up-a-can-of-liberal-worms-20140428-zr0sy.html
Christian Brothers in crime. What a disgusting quagmire of depraved, tolerated behaviour. My they rot in their Hell.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/child-abuse-west-australian-victims-of-christian-brothers-to-tell-their-stories

Are the Christian Brothers all Lebanese too, Herbie?

John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 11:16am:

how convenient of you to leave the names with an anglo background !!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D Chris Hartcher, Anthony Roberts, Darren Webber, Chris Spence ...

As a percentage of the total Anglos in government, it's a decimal fraction, but not so with the Middle Eastern, Greek and Italian names.

All I'm saying is that 'multiculturalism' is not all about exotic foods and recipes. Ethnic 'networking' is not always for the good of this country.


John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 11:16am:

... but I've gotta run ...

Don't tell me ICAC's after you too ... ?  ;Di

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 11:16am: how convenient of you to leave the names with an anglo background !!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D Chris Hartcher, Anthony Roberts, Darren Webber, Chris Spence ... As a percentage of the total Anglos in government, it's a decimal fraction, but not so with the Middle Eastern, Greek and Italian names. All I'm saying is that 'multiculturalism' is not all about exotic foods and recipes. Ethnic 'networking' is not always for the good of this country.

you're full of crap Herb ... you cherry pick Greek Italian and Lebanese names and leave out all the others otherwise they'd make your claims look like the racist crap it is  ...

Racism is never good for the country  :D :D :D

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

Are the Christian Brothers all Lebanese too, Herbie?

Totally different issue.

ICAC is investigating the subject of systemic corruption amongst ministers of the crown for the purposes of financial gain at the expence of turning federal and State governments into Mafia organisations.

Check up how many governments Italy's had since the war. They simply don't know how to play an honest game without reverting to the stereotype of the mafia gangster.

I'll let the rest of you ignore this elephant-in-the-room.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 12:03pm: Are the Christian Brothers all Lebanese too, Herbie? Totally different issue. ICAC is investigating the subject of systemic corruption amongst ministers of the crown for the purposes of financial gain at the expence of turning federal and State governments into Mafia organisations. Check up how many governments Italy's had since the war. They simply don't know how to play an honest game without reverting to the stereotype of the mafia gangster. I'll let the rest of you ignore this elephant-in-the-room.

now you want to drag the Italian Mafia into it?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D getting desperate there Herb.

John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

you're full of crap Herb ... you cherry pick Greek Italian and Lebanese names and leave out all the others

It's not me cherry-picking them ~ it's ICAC.


John Smith wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

... otherwise they'd make your claims look like the racist crap it is  ...

This is not 'racism' ~ it's 'ethnic culturalism'. Australia is said to be 'multicultural'. I've been referring to national 'cultures' ~ not race.

But HANG ON, John! You were running from ICAC a moment ago, and now you're back! Did you give the guys at the door with their shades and ear-pieces a bottle of expensive wine ... ?  8-)

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23058784/icac-nsw-builder-tells-inquiry-into-party-donations-something-stunk-about-payments-to-eightbyfive/

A funny thing happened on the way to the ICAC...

For those who say 'only $5000' - the total amount was hundreds of thousands.

Looks like the suggestion of publicly funded election campaigns could be a starter.  Would certainly open up the field for the new independent or party......

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:17am: cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:29pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them? I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted. As for sentencing, that is up to the judge. oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused...

Hang on.

Which "righties" have I condemned?

Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion.

What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation?

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 1:01pm: you're full of crap Herb ... you cherry pick Greek Italian and Lebanese names and leave out all the others It's not me cherry-picking them ~ it's ICAC. John Smith wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 1:01pm: ... otherwise they'd make your claims look like the racist crap it is  ... This is not 'racism' ~ it's 'ethnic culturalism'. Australia is said to be 'multicultural'. I've been referring to national 'cultures' ~ not race. But HANG ON, John! You were running from ICAC a moment ago, and now you're back! Did you give the guys at the door with their shades and ear-pieces a bottle of expensive wine ... ?  8-)

it's no wonder you suffer from migranes ....

anyone who had to listen to you all day would have a migrane

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Which "righties" have I condemned?

you besmirched a righty but daring to include the name of one in a thread about corruption  ... that is a cardinal sin in Cods books

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23058784/icac-nsw-builder-tells-inquiry-into-party-donations-something-stunk-about-payments-to-eightbyfive/ A funny thing happened on the way to the ICAC... For those who say 'only $5000' - the total amount was hundreds of thousands. Looks like the suggestion of publicly funded election campaigns could be a starter.  Would certainly open up the field for the new independent or party......

I've always supported public funding.

You need to work out a formula.

But it would be open, transparent.

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Looks like the suggestion of publicly funded election campaigns could be a starter.

I haven't seen all of the for and against arguments but I think it could be a good outcome, especially if they have moderate funds to avoid mind numbing repetitive ads.

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine.

And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited  >:(.

The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance  ;).

Long live the ICAC  :).

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 8:20am: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:17am: cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:29pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them? I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted. As for sentencing, that is up to the judge. oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused... Hang on. Which "righties" have I condemned? Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion. What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation?

sorry pete it was a generic YOU.. meaning lefties. in general..

calling someone an idiot is not demeaning oh well.. ::)

why should I send anyone a message do it yourself.. lazy thing.

dont be surprised pete! when the boot was on the other foot we were flat out getting any response  on the topic it was usually personal attacks only..

its a shame the boards are now going down same path again...personal insults.. doesnt matter what the topic is..I find it hard to believe that people cannot ignore those they dislike...or just cannot find some way to agree to disagree without being unpleasant..

never mind pete I am sure your love of laborarecorrupt...will inspire him to come back.. maybe on holidays who knows.. I have noticed kat is missing havent seen him in a while or adelcrow....you must miss them as well.

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:34pm: Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table. It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine. And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited  >:(. The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance  ;). Long live the ICAC  :).

a slush fund is one thing... but lining your own pockets is something else again..

I am so waiting to see what jail time they get..

if its anything like what was given to THOMO.. we must ask ourselves..

whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>..

3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society they can go on and on and on look at ALan Bond..he came out just the same as he went in.. RICH><

Looks like things are getting worse for the NSW Libs. .   Can someone please come in and scream thommo and obeid in capital letters?  That makes it all so much better

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:34pm: Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table. It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine. And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited  >:(. The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance  ;). Long live the ICAC  :).

Well said.

As long as people are short of cash for what they need or want, there will always be people who are open to corruption. It's never going to go away.

The most that can be done is to keep it to a minimum, and part of this should be to give very heavy sentences to those who are caught, so this acts as a deterrent ... which, needless to say, doesn't happen.

And so the war on corruption through instrumentalities such as ICAC is mostly pantomime and window-dressing, with the worst of the culprits getting very lenient sentences that justify the risks they took to reap a fortune through dishonest means.

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>.. 3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society ...

It's a slap-on-the-wrist that let's others know that it's worth taking the risk to commit these sort of crimes that can reap a small fortune. Every lenient sentence is a gold-framed "Better Luck Next Time!" goodwill message to these sort of rorters.

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 1:12pm: https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23058784/icac-nsw-builder-tells-inquiry-into-party-donations-something-stunk-about-payments-to-eightbyfive/ A funny thing happened on the way to the ICAC... For those who say 'only $5000' - the total amount was hundreds of thousands. Looks like the suggestion of publicly funded election campaigns could be a starter.  Would certainly open up the field for the new independent or party...... I've always supported public funding. You need to work out a formula. But it would be open, transparent. Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table.

Joh.. JOH - don't you worry about that - just leave that, you know, leave that paper bag under the table, you mark my words, not one word will pass out of this room!

Yes - a cast iron formula would need to be in place and wherever there is a system some rat will find a way to get around it.

Cost of enforcement would be huge, and thus we could only rely on the 'halo effect' of shooting only one in ten....

You have to understand these things - one reason for public servant corruption in taking cash is a conspiracy in which a form/application will be 'hand carried' through the system - since only one in ten AT MOST will be checked.

Look at your Tax people and so forth.. your government handout people for education and so forth.... welfare.. health system in Queensland in recent memory...how many times has a public servant gotten off with millions...

Enforcement and control are very difficult issues in such an environment....

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:34pm: Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table. It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine. And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited  >:(. The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance  ;). Long live the ICAC  :). Well said. As long as people are short of cash for what they need or want, there will always be people who are open to corruption. It's never going to go away. The most that can be done is to keep it to a minimum, and part of this should be to give very heavy sentences to those who are caught, so this acts as a deterrent ... which, needless to say, doesn't happen. And so the war on corruption through instrumentalities such as ICAC is mostly pantomime and window-dressing, with the worst of the culprits getting very lenient sentences that justify the risks they took to reap a fortune through dishonest means.

Deterrent/halo effect as above.... an issue that itself can engender corruption of another sort - you need only to look at 'traffic infringements' to see that - a cop at night on a highway will just grab people at random under the assumption that they will be speeding anyway at some time at night so why not get them - and when the rest see the flashing blue and red (bleed) of the victim's lifeblood on the road - they slow down.

Helps but does not cure, but creates another generation of victims.....    perhaps a lengthy stay in a gulag would help.... on proof positive....

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 7:28pm: whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>.. 3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society ... It's a slap-on-the-wrist that let's others know that it's worth taking the risk to commit these sort of crimes that can reap a small fortune. Every lenient sentence is a gold-framed "Better Luck Next Time!" goodwill message to these sort of rorters.

I knew some guys once who robbed a pizza boy and got fifteen months or so... an Aboriginal guy worked out they got a month for each ten dollars or so... DUM....

Bondie got away with a MINIMUM of $50m - got two years and a drool at the next round...

Hmm - $25m a year...

In my first book (part two) I cite the case of an 'Asian' (you guess which group) drug dealer who got two years for dealing - his response?

"I do this two years - I here, my girlfriend in my house already paid and look after.. I am look after here.. I own one house, paying for one more!  If I caught again - maybe get five year - nothing for what I get!"

His children will one day be doctors, lawyers and politicians and will run this country - the rest will be struggling to stay alive.

TRUTH!

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:34pm: Do away with all the corruption, brown envelopes under the table. It will do away with SOME of the corruption. There's still the issue of paid holidays and $3500 bottles of wine. And as sure as eggs, as soon as you cut off one options others will be exploded and exploited  >:(. The price of reduced corruption is continual vigilance  ;). Long live the ICAC  :). a slush fund is one thing... but lining your own pockets is something else again.. I am so waiting to see what jail time they get.. if its anything like what was given to THOMO.. we must ask ourselves.. whats the POINT>. really what is the POINT>.. 3 months is hardly a life sentence in todays society they can go on and on and on look at ALan Bond..he came out just the same as he went in.. RICH><

... and a slush fund that benefits you and allows you to be elected and THEN line your pockets is??

Stand back and do some solid thinking, Grasshopper...

Another one bites the dust.....

Police minister Michael Gallacher accused of colluding in corrupt political donations scheme

NSW Premier Mike Baird concedes the corruption allegations against his police minister are serious.

“I’m aware of the allegations,” Mr Baird told reporters in Canberra. “They are serious.”

He says he will comment further later on Friday

Mr Gallacher was accused this morning of hatching a corrupt scheme to solicit illegal donations from mining magnate Nathan Tinkler.

Mr Watson SC accused Buildev boss Darren Williams of colluding with Mr Gallacher over a corrupt political donation scheme.

Buildev is Mr Tinkler’s property developing company.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/police-minister-michael-gallacher-accused-of-colluding-in-corrupt-political-donations-scheme/story-fnii5s3x-1229603166316

cods wrote on Apr 29^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 3:21pm: cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 8:20am: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:17am: cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:29pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them? I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted. As for sentencing, that is up to the judge. oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused... Hang on. Which "righties" have I condemned? Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion. What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation? sorry pete it was a generic YOU.. meaning lefties. in general.. calling someone an idiot is not demeaning oh well.. ::) why should I send anyone a message do it yourself.. lazy thing. dont be surprised pete! when the boot was on the other foot we were flat out getting any response  on the topic it was usually personal attacks only.. its a shame the boards are now going down same path again...personal insults.. doesnt matter what the topic is..I find it hard to believe that people cannot ignore those they dislike...or just cannot find some way to agree to disagree without being unpleasant.. never mind pete I am sure your love of laborarecorrupt...will inspire him to come back.. maybe on holidays who knows.. I have noticed kat is missing havent seen him in a while or adelcrow....you must miss them as well.

When I go on holiday at Xmas, I'll take my IPad. Why not?

I don't miss any of the people you mentioned.

But if you left, I'd miss you......so hang on it there.

I want to see LNP very publicly exposed as being as dirty as their alleged 'opposition' (they're actually all buddies in it together, but you know, we have to pretend we have a choice between two fake, Israeli-controlled packs of liars and thieves)

But the fact is, ICAC itself is a joke

First, question the 'Independent' claim

Independent?  When ICAC is paid by the same government it's paid to investigate

ICAC is performance-art for the benefit of the taxpayer

ICAC is as corrupt as the crooks it claims to investigate, in my opinion and my opinion is based on personal experience

Plus, I still have the documentation which damns ICAC

What a joke

Now, how does it go again?
Oh yes -

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I'm sure there are "Rules & Exceptions", But the standard rule is tending more & more, towards those in power thinking that they are the Exceptions & they can simply do what they want, to further their short term interests and to hell with the best, long term interests of all of the OZ Public.

Well, it's time, time to deliver a message, to all incumbents, in all levels of OZ Government - SACK THE INCUMBENT!

Peter Freedman wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:40pm:

cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 3:21pm: cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 8:20am: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:17am: cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:29pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them? I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted. As for sentencing, that is up to the judge. oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused... Hang on. Which "righties" have I condemned? Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion. What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation? sorry pete it was a generic YOU.. meaning lefties. in general.. calling someone an idiot is not demeaning oh well.. ::) why should I send anyone a message do it yourself.. lazy thing. dont be surprised pete! when the boot was on the other foot we were flat out getting any response  on the topic it was usually personal attacks only.. its a shame the boards are now going down same path again...personal insults.. doesnt matter what the topic is..I find it hard to believe that people cannot ignore those they dislike...or just cannot find some way to agree to disagree without being unpleasant.. never mind pete I am sure your love of laborarecorrupt...will inspire him to come back.. maybe on holidays who knows.. I have noticed kat is missing havent seen him in a while or adelcrow....you must miss them as well. When I go on holiday at Xmas, I'll take my IPad. Why not? I don't miss any of the people you mentioned. But if you left, I'd miss you......so hang on it there.

me too pete so dont you go anywhere either..

we have to have different perspectives otherwise life would be one big bore wouldnt it..

I trust all is well in your world..

perceptions_now wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Now, how does it go again? Oh yes - "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm sure there are "Rules & Exceptions", But the standard rule is tending more & more, towards those in power thinking that they are the Exceptions & they can simply do what they want, to further their short term interests and to hell with the best, long term interests of all of the OZ Public. Well, it's time, time to deliver a message, to all incumbents, in all levels of OZ Government - SACK THE INCUMBENT!

well the libs are sacking themselves.. left right and centre..cant complain about them/./



they are not complaining they dun nuffink wrong or someone set them up....well so far..

its sad its embarrassing its very very undignified...

so far all I can say in the libs favor is none of the bribes seem to have ended up in their own pockets..... lets hope it remains that way...

it doesnt take anything away from the fact they broke the law....and should step down.and hide in shame.

The entire gang should be called Lib-Labor R Us

Sure, there has to be a pretence of a choice between two parties

but to differentiate between the two gangs of crooks is tantamount to trying to split a hair

and not worth the bother

PZ547 wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 5:17pm:

The entire gang should be called Lib-Labor R Us Sure, there has to be a pretence of a choice between two parties but to differentiate between the two gangs of crooks is tantamount to trying to split a hair and not worth the bother

so do you think calling  two other parties by a different name.. it will stop the rot???>....



the thing is.. what will the end result be.. will anyone go to jail???... will anyone have to give anything back??? will anyone lose their magnificent pension.?? probably not..

so why not take the risk..  this has been going on for a long time. god only knows what they have got away with in the past...

And another one bites the dust ... although this one wasn't due to ICAC .... he was busted by other means

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23160766/qld-mp-david-gibson-to-quit-politics/

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 7:50pm:

And another one bites the dust ... although this one wasn't due to ICAC .... he was busted by other means https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23160766/qld-mp-david-gibson-to-quit-politics/

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Mr Gibson admits he made mistakes and faced unspecified charges in 1999 but no conviction was recorded.

'Mistakes' ~ don't you love it?

He made 'mistakes'.

Left something out on his shopping list.

Put different coloured socks on.

Forgot to recharge his mobile phone.

Sent a Christmas card to the wrong address.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 8:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 7:50pm: And another one bites the dust ... although this one wasn't due to ICAC .... he was busted by other means https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/23160766/qld-mp-david-gibson-to-quit-politics/ Quote: Mr Gibson admits he made mistakes and faced unspecified charges in 1999 but no conviction was recorded. 'Mistakes' ~ don't you love it? He made 'mistakes'. Left something out on his shopping list. Put different coloured socks on. Forgot to recharge his mobile phone. Sent a Christmas card to the wrong address.

no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

Both the ALP and Coalition are corrupt and self serving.....Will there be any politicians left after this is over???

:-? :-? :-?

Crime does not pay ... as well as politics.
Alfred E. Newman

cods wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 5:14pm:

perceptions_now wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 2:58pm: Now, how does it go again? Oh yes - "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm sure there are "Rules & Exceptions", But the standard rule is tending more & more, towards those in power thinking that they are the Exceptions & they can simply do what they want, to further their short term interests and to hell with the best, long term interests of all of the OZ Public. Well, it's time, time to deliver a message, to all incumbents, in all levels of OZ Government - SACK THE INCUMBENT! well the libs are sacking themselves.. left right and centre..cant complain about them/./

We can complain about them because they are still in the Parliament.

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

Hmm - mate of mine, now deceased, was a WO in Provosts after being a WO in the SAS.. he would have accidentally shot him.

John Smith wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 9:17pm:

... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army .....

He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

**face palm!  Of course - never thought of that!

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 8:17am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ... **face palm!  Of course - never thought of that!

I think it's grossly unfair that our jails are filled with morally innocent people who simply made a mistake and were then caught by the Mistake Police.

The ordinary police had nothing to arrest them for, because they didn't commit crimes.

It was only when their mistakes were discovered that someone phoned the Mistake Police to arrest them and bring them before the Mistake Courts ~ not the normal Criminal Courts.

Next time the checkout chick at your local supermarket gets the price on something wrong ~ contact the Mistake Police. 

This is why the Liberals need to drop their silly objection to lowering the disclosure threshold for political donations. They consistently increase the thresholds and block any moves to lower it to more sensible levels. As long as the Liberals demand high thresholds, they cannot be trusted. What are they hiding? ICAC is revealing what the Liberals prefer to keep hidden.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 7:43am:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ...

so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

and people voted for this twat?

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:09am:

This is why the Liberals need to drop their silly objection to lowering the disclosure threshold for political donations. They consistently increase the thresholds and block any moves to lower it to more sensible levels. As long as the Liberals demand high thresholds, they cannot be trusted. What are they hiding? ICAC is revealing what the Liberals prefer to keep hidden.

its time every bloody dollar was accounted for..

ITS TIME>


its like the banks having to tell when someone moves more than $10.000...so what happens they start moving it in $.9.750.00.lots.. its the same with this...

as long a s its a few dollars under turn a blind eye.. pathetic.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 9:13am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ... so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and people voted for this twat?

He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake?

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

Glass houses, Bucko.

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 11:25pm:

John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... Hmm - mate of mine, now deceased, was a WO in Provosts after being a WO in the SAS.. he would have accidentally shot him.

;D


Apt

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident?

No. Never.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Or phone up the wrong number?

Gees, it been a long time 10-15 years ago. And then maybe once or twice.


Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom?

No. Never


Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident?

No. Never.

But I've been in the military and know you never get anything without signing in triplicate. And cash is never left just lying around, never. Not in the barracks and not in an office, never.

You can lose 20,000 in battlke but if you lose your pistol, a marked map or cash you will be courtmarshalled - peace time or war time.
Mr Gibson is lying through his teeth. No court nor investigating officer would believe the BS. If no conviction was recorded it would only have been for a reason other than his innocence or lack of evidence.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 9:13am: Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ... so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and people voted for this twat? He made a mistake.

What is your evidence for this? Or is this just your unfounded opinion?

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

Agreed.

And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder.

A few ideas:

• Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead
  
• Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared
  
• The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year
  
• Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering.
  
• No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties
  
• Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations.
  
• Spending on campaigns to be capped

cods wrote on May 2^nd, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 2:40pm: cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 3:21pm: cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 8:20am: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 29th, 2014 at 6:17am: cods wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 9:29pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 28th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Where's our mate labourarecorrupt? Bet he won't show his face around this thread. Cods, corruption should be ferreted out wherever it exists. Liberal supporters like your good self need to recognise their party is far from clean. now now Peter when have I ever said they were??????????, fair go you lefties never stop do you, I am one of the few that never stands up for my own side if they do the wrong thing.. since when have you condemned OBEID I have yet to see it?... in fact the Obeid threads were avoided by every lefty on here..and if their name him and THOMO were brought up just to remind you guys how bad some of your people have been .. didnt they yelp... at least give me a bit of credit once in a while .. O'Farrell where did I make excuses for him??>. yet THOMO all we got were excuse and C&P from the Independent telling us how honest he was and everyone else was guilty bar him.. thats right even his name was spelt wrong.so he must be innocent.... but no mention of him calling himself Jeff Thompson.. ::) ::) what do you think should happen to OBEID and Mcdonald.??? throw in tripodi  whilst you are thinking about it.... I would like to know what the left think should happen to them.. their crime was a lot worse than the Premiers and it cost him his job.. those guys have no job to lose do they? so what punishment would you give them? I will condemn Obeid and co when they are tried and convicted. As for sentencing, that is up to the judge. oh thats a cop out Pete...you are condemning righties and they havent even been accused... Hang on. Which "righties" have I condemned? Apart from this laborarecorrupt idiot who is strangely absent from this discussion. What a surprise. Maybe you could send him an invitation? sorry pete it was a generic YOU.. meaning lefties. in general.. calling someone an idiot is not demeaning oh well.. ::) why should I send anyone a message do it yourself.. lazy thing. dont be surprised pete! when the boot was on the other foot we were flat out getting any response  on the topic it was usually personal attacks only.. its a shame the boards are now going down same path again...personal insults.. doesnt matter what the topic is..I find it hard to believe that people cannot ignore those they dislike...or just cannot find some way to agree to disagree without being unpleasant.. never mind pete I am sure your love of laborarecorrupt...will inspire him to come back.. maybe on holidays who knows.. I have noticed kat is missing havent seen him in a while or adelcrow....you must miss them as well. When I go on holiday at Xmas, I'll take my IPad. Why not? I don't miss any of the people you mentioned. But if you left, I'd miss you......so hang on it there. me too pete so dont you go anywhere either.. we have to have different perspectives otherwise life would be one big bore wouldnt it.. I trust all is well in your world..

Yep, all is fine.

May be moving quite soon, but will remain in the valley. This place is my home and I'm staying put.

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. Agreed. And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder. A few ideas: Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering. No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations. Spending on campaigns to be capped

I see some problems.

Under your rules, anyone wanting to give, say, $20,000 to a party could easily give it in $500 lots and avoid any publicity.

I support banning ALL private funding.

The parties would receive public funding based on their membership numbers. The more members, the more dosh.

May sound extreme, but would be totally open. We would all know who got what and where it came from.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 9:13am: Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ... so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and people voted for this twat? He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake? Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident? Glass houses, Bucko.

mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 11:53am:

Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better.

I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. Agreed. And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder. A few ideas: Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering. No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations. Spending on campaigns to be capped

an even easier way, publicly fund election campaigns. Do not allow private funds into campaigns at all. Everyone gets the same amount, and given what the taxpayers spend to uncover all this corruption, it will probably save us a small fortune as well.

Peter Freedman wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. Agreed. And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder. A few ideas: Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering. No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations. Spending on campaigns to be capped I see some problems. Under your rules, anyone wanting to give, say, $20,000 to a party could easily give it in $500 lots and avoid any publicity. I support banning ALL private funding. The parties would receive public funding based on their membership numbers. The more members, the more dosh. May sound extreme, but would be totally open. We would all know who got what and where it came from.

what happens the next time Murdoch runs a front page with 'time to kick this mob out'.... isn't that also a private donation to the liberal party?

Peter Freedman wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. Agreed. And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder. A few ideas: Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering. No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations. Spending on campaigns to be capped I see some problems. Under your rules, anyone wanting to give, say, $20,000 to a party could easily give it in $500 lots and avoid any publicity.

My understanding of existing rules was that it was assessed on the totals, not the size of the individual donations.


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I support banning ALL private funding. The parties would receive public funding based on their membership numbers. The more members, the more dosh.

It would be problematic to do it this way. It is better to allocate funding based on the number of primary votes.


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May sound extreme, but would be totally open. We would all know who got what and where it came from.

We do need better accountability and transparency. The wall of concealment that parties erect around their financial backers - the Liberals in particular - should be torn down so we can see what is going on.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 10:33am: John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 9:13am: Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ... so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and people voted for this twat? He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake? Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident? Glass houses, Bucko. mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.

It was his other self not him who wrote out the dogdy invoices, it was his other self who spent the criminal obtained money, it was his other self who faced non specific criminal charges, it was his other self who was found guilty of specific criminal charges, it was his other self placed on a good behaviour for his other selfs criminal behaviour, but its himself doing a sickie till next election, apparently a bit woozy in the tum tum. Never mind all better soon, a good old paid rest and pension and all will fade away.

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. Agreed. And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder. A few ideas: Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering. No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations. Spending on campaigns to be capped

Let's not complicate life.
Let's not give anyone an excuse.
No political donations.
Every political party should have access to TV and Radio and have equal time on each.  It should be part of the license deal for those media at election times.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run

We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. There's a few decent people in politics.

It's why I like Xenophon a lot. I would vote for him if he lived in my state.

If you retrospectively pay on primary votes, you are continuing to entrench the current two parties anyway - and thus are working against democracy.  Same with paying based on party members.

ALL parties and independents should receive equal funding and thus be permitted to mount an equal campaign.

Donations need to include volunteer work too - and ensure that equal treatment is given fairly.

Some of the best-paid volunteers in the world sit at polling booths.... and you only get the volunteer party workers you pay for.....

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:35pm:

Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:11pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. Agreed. And put in place fundamental reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again - or, at least, is made a lot harder. A few ideas: Uniform national rules for political donations. The NSW Liberals - and possibly others - have been using the lack of uniformity to circumvent tough state restrictions by accepting donations for federal campaigns instead Political donations to parties or candidates over $500 to be declared The list of political donations to be made available 90 days after an election or within 90 days of the end of the financial year Front companies for political donations to be banned - it's basically money laundering. No tax deductions for political donations to candidates or parties Create a tax deductible fund for funding all candidates that receive 4% or more of the vote. This is similar to the $2 per vote that candidates currently receive, except it is funded privately by people interested in politics but not wishing to support any particular candidate or party. This fund is the only avenue for tax-deductible political donations. Spending on campaigns to be capped Let's not complicate life. Let's not give anyone an excuse. No political donations. Every political party should have access to TV and Radio and have equal time on each.  It should be part of the license deal for those media at election times.

that'll work  ....  ;)

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 9:13am: Lord Herbert wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 7:43am: John Smith wrote on May 2nd, 2014 at 9:17pm: ... no,, I think he accidently stole $7000 from the army ..... He mistakenly thought it was his backpay from his long service leave ... so what? he went to the nearest cash box and helped himself?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and people voted for this twat? He made a mistake. Haven't YOU ever made a mistake? Didn't you ever drive down a One Way street by accident? Or phone up the wrong number? Or put your jocks on back-to-front in a darkened bedroom? Or use your partner's toothbrush by accident? Glass houses, Bucko.

You sound like Troy Buswell......And no I have never done what Troy has done!!!

::) ::) ::)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-30/police-release-audio-of-emergency-call-about-troy-buswell27s-n/5422192

Bam wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:37pm:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:26pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. There's a few decent people in politics. It's why I like Xenophon a lot. I would vote for him if he lived in my state.

you can name one out of the hundreds ... doesn't that concern you?

poli's make decisions that adversly affect innocent bystanders all the time ... its time they got the same medicine. Xenophon (and I agree he seems pretty decent) and a few other innocents parties will just have to cop it.

Mr X is a media junkie who in all his years in Parliament has not been able to reduce the number of pokies by even one machine. So now he is changing his branding so people won’t ask him why he hasn’t stopped a single pokie machine. Blah!

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:22pm:

mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it.

Since the luvvies took over the judiciary ~ no one is guilty of 'crimes'. The people in jail are there because they all made 'a mistake'.

Talk to any social worker who deals with prisoners and they'll tell you the inmates are in jail only because they made 'a mistake'.

It's considered vulgar and 'insensitive' to even 'think' that prisoners are guilty of crimes. It's THEY who are the victims, stupid.  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:22pm: mistake my arse ... no one takes $7000 by mistake . Gullible fools like you are the reaso we have so much corruption ... they count on it. Since the luvvies took over the judiciary ~ no one is guilty of 'crimes'. The people in jail are there because they all made 'a mistake'. Talk to any social worker who deals with prisoners and they'll tell you the inmates are in jail only because they made 'a mistake'. It's considered vulgar and 'insensitive' to even 'think' that prisoners are guilty of crimes. It's THEY who are the victims, stupid.  8-)

did you overdose on your meds this morning? I don't care about you and your issues with your social worker .... stick to topic.

John Smith wrote on May 3^rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:

Bam wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:37pm: John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 12:26pm: Grendel wrote on May 3rd, 2014 at 11:53am: Personally I don't care what party they belong to, the sooner we put a broom through the lot of them and boot the corrupt and unscrupulous out the better. I agree with that ... sack them all and start again, anyone who is a member of any of the parties cannot run We shouldn't tar them all with the same brush. There's a few decent people in politics. It's why I like Xenophon a lot. I would vote for him if he lived in my state. you can name one out of the hundreds ... doesn't that concern you?

It does, a bit ... I can name one or two more, but the party political system would conceal the good people within the major parties.

I set the bar a bit lower. If a politician prefers to discuss differences of policies and not make personal attacks, I consider them acceptable.


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poli's make decisions that adversly affect innocent bystanders all the time ... its time they got the same medicine. Xenophon (and I agree he seems pretty decent) and a few other innocents parties will just have to cop it.

Xenophon won't have much to worry about. He made quota comfortably at the last election and he will be in the Senate for the rest of the decade.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/icac-turns-its-spotlight-on-nsw-nationals-party

The New South Wales Nationals party has been dragged into a corruption inquiry investigating the trading of illegal donations for political influence.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption (Icac) heard that in February 2011, the Nationals’ state director, Ben Franklin, emailed an executive at the Nathan Tinkler-owned property developer, Buildev, seeking political donations.

Darren Williams, the Buildev executive, received the email from Franklin saying the Nationals “would be delighted to accept support for our state election campaign as long as it is not from prohibited donors". At the time, political donations from developers such as Buildev were illegal in NSW.

Williams passed the email on to Troy Palmer, an executive with a Tinkler-owned thoroughbred stud, Patinack Farms, writing: “can you help him with 3 lots of $5[000] please mate”.

In another email between the two, Williams said: “mate need $20[000] in here to help these guys nats will be running ports”.

Counsel assisting the inquiry, Geoffrey Watson, SC, told Williams that he was arranging donations to the Nationals “because you knew in effect you had to buy their favour”.

“No,” Williams replied.

It was alleged last week that donations amounting to $66,000 from Buildev were funnelled through Patinack Farms to Eightbyfive, a sham company run by Tim Koelma, a former staffer of the sacked Liberal energy minister, Chris Hartcher.

The commission is investigating allegations that Hartcher and other MPs on the central coast solicited donations from illegal donors, which they channelled into slush funds and used to bankroll their 2011 election campaigns. The money was allegedly traded for political influence on planning decisions.

At the beginning of the inquiry’s second week, Watson also suggested that payments had been made “under the table” to the campaign of the current Liberal member for Newcastle, Tim Owen.

Further evidence was also presented of contact between Williams, Hartcher and the former police minister Mike Gallacher.

Gallacher resigned from the NSW ministry on Friday after being accused of “hatching a corrupt scheme” to hide prohibited donations from property developers to the Liberal party.

Days after the Liberals won the 2011 state election, Williams texted Gallacher and Hartcher with virtually identical messages warning that a rival organisation was meeting the then-treasurer, Mike Baird, to push for a container terminal at Mayfield, Newcastle. At the time Tinkler’s group was lobbying for a coal loader to be built on the site.

“Why were you informing Mr Gallacher of that? What could he do with that information?” Watson asked Williams.

“I was just informing him,” Williams replied, adding that he thought Gallacher might help put the Tinkler group’s case forward.

“Why would Mr Gallacher be putting your case forward?” Watson pressed.

“I don’t know,” Williams replied.

Tired of answers in this vein, Watson at one stage labelled the Tinkler associate an “inveterate liar”. He also accused the witness of conspiring to “make up a story to fool Icac” after the investigation into Eightbyfive had begun.

In an email Tinkler sent in April 2013, Williams said: “Spoke to Michael from Icac today they are reviewing a marketing company in central coast that we have used in the past. I have copies of all our invoices. All Patinack has done has engaged them to do some marketing that's it.”

Later that day Williams texted a Tinkler staffer explaining the “NT [Nathan Tinkler] message was to protect him in case any poo goes down”.

The inquiry continues.

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its all pretty sad.. to do this underhand is pretty shocking... I am beginning  to wonder how they will ever win back faith....I am so turned off by all this.

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

its all pretty sad.. to do this underhand is pretty shocking... I am beginning  to wonder how they will ever win back faith....I am so turned off by all this.

If you've got a lazy five and a half grand lying about - you could 'donate' it to Joe Hockey and buy a bit of time to discuss the problem with him

http://www.northsydneyforum.com.au/media-files/standard-pages/content-pieces/29/download.pdf

God bless free enterprise!

somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums

thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money .....

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money .....

A few pensioners could go in together for corporate membership of the "Friends of Joe" club at the very reasonable price of $11,000.  Then they would also get a "Private VIP Boardroom Function".

http://www.northsydneyforum.com.au/media-files/standard-pages/content-pieces/29/download.pdf

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:

John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:13pm: somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money ..... A few pensioners could go in together for corporate membership of the "Friends of Joe" club at the very reasonable price of $11,000.  Then they would also get a "Private VIP Boardroom Function".

Does Joe expect them to provide dinner for him to? thats a years worth of pension just there. ....

John Smith wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:16pm: John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:13pm: somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money ..... A few pensioners could go in together for corporate membership of the "Friends of Joe" club at the very reasonable price of $11,000.  Then they would also get a "Private VIP Boardroom Function". Does Joe expect them to provide dinner for him to? thats a years worth of pension just there. ....

"Abdul the kebab maker in Parramatta mall" would probably step up with some take-away.

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:17pm: rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:16pm: John Smith wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 5:13pm: somone should give a few pensioners $5000 so that they can go and talk to him too, explain to him the realities of being a pensioner .... same applies to unemployed or single mums thats why the libs continuously ignore them, not enough bribe money ..... A few pensioners could go in together for corporate membership of the "Friends of Joe" club at the very reasonable price of $11,000.  Then they would also get a "Private VIP Boardroom Function". Does Joe expect them to provide dinner for him to? thats a years worth of pension just there. .... "Abdul the kebab maker in Parramatta mall" would probably step up with some take-away.

I hope abdul has an extra sheep handy  ;D ;D

rabbitoh08 wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2014 at 4:19pm: its all pretty sad.. to do this underhand is pretty shocking... I am beginning  to wonder how they will ever win back faith....I am so turned off by all this. If you've got a lazy five and a half grand lying about - you could 'donate' it to Joe Hockey and buy a bit of time to discuss the problem with him http://www.northsydneyforum.com.au/media-files/standard-pages/content-pieces/29/download.pdf God bless free enterprise!

guess thats the difference between you and me..

for me this is about

CORRUPTION at the HIGHEST LEVEL..

I dont see it as a joke or a tit for tat. I see it as something EVIL that has been allowed to creep in..oh well "they are doing it " so lets all do it..

to think we have to employ people to snoop if thats the word...on politicians because .....well as has been proved, they cannot be trusted...

we are n o better than 3rd world despots who are in it for themselves.. an utter utter disgrace..

its got  nothing  to do with pensioners.. I as a pensioner am not whingeing about anything...I consider myself pretty lucky..

BUT there was a time when I had a lot of respect for Australian govt...

I dont suppose anyone really gives a damn what I think..... but I personally would like to give them all

A BIT MORE  "THAN A PIECE OF MY MIND"....

I can promise you.

Agreed, cods - it's not tit-for-tat and 'his/her dog is smellier than mine!" and so forth.

It's all about the betrayal of trust of the Australian people and the personal self-interest before the good of the nation.

I hope they catch every corrupt politician and sidekick and give them ten years...... and not in Club Fed, either. 

GAIA Gulag the lot - fair wage for work, solid performance evaluation, 're-education' in the evils of their past ways through self-criticism groups, return to the community when fully rehabilitated etc... sounds familiar...

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

Agreed, cods - it's not tit-for-tat and 'his/her dog is smellier than mine!" and so forth. It's all about the betrayal of trust of the Australian people and the personal self-interest before the good of the nation. I hope they catch every corrupt politician and sidekick and give them ten years...... and not in Club Fed, either.  GAIA Gulag the lot - fair wage for work, solid performance evaluation, 're-education' in the evils of their past ways through self-criticism groups, return to the community when fully rehabilitated etc... sounds familiar...

most of them walk away with full entitlements and move on to bigger and better things..

thats what is even more shameful..

look at Alan Bond was he shunned by the A listers? no he wasnt...

didnt matter about all those people he ruined...... he really was a good guy deep down.. >:(


.. didnt he also have amazing lapses of memory???