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Title: Where's their Smoke? Post by austranger on May 15th, 2014 at 8:41pm
Councils push for smoke-free Aust cities
Melbourne's CBD could become smoke-free after a cigarette ban in a laneway was dubbed a success. Source: AAP A BID to make Melbourne one of the world's first smoke-free CBDs has won some support in other Australian capitals, though even anti-smoking groups say it's unworkable. It's a concept backed by the lord mayor of the City of Perth, where from June people can be fined $100 for smoking in city malls. Melbourne City Councillor Richard Foster says after successfully trialling a smoking ban in a CBD lane, The Causeway, six more areas will be banned in the next financial year. He says the final step would be a smoking ban in the CBD. "We would be the first smoke-free city in the world," Mr Foster told reporters on Thursday. "So, this is going to be a great example of how Melbourne can lead ... on wellbeing and on health." Victorian Premier Denis Napthine said it would be impossible to implement. "I think it's totally unworkable. I think it's totally unreasonable," he told Fairfax Radio. Quit Victoria and the Heart Foundation say making the CBD smoke-free would be difficult, and a statewide ban on smoking in outdoor and dining and drinking areas would be preferable. Extremism, or Exemplary? :o |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by True Blue... on May 15th, 2014 at 8:49pm
applause applause...
can't wait.. and can't wait till other small cities and town follow suit.. you can never go into the city of Melbourne without sucking on someone's second had smoke for the entire time you are there.. >:( its time people.. lets support our governments on this... why should 13% of filthy smokers ruin it for us other 87% !! |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 9:02pm
I'm not a smoker (anymore, quit 7 yrs ago) but this is ridiculous ... we don't want them smoking inside, and now they can't smoke outside? Either ban cigarettes or leave the smokers alone. You can't have it both ways.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by El Gatto on May 15th, 2014 at 9:13pm John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
Likewise (2 years) and unless I'm in an enclosed area where I can't get away, I don't care who smokes or where. Friends are still permitted to smoke at my place, even if I do not. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by austranger on May 15th, 2014 at 9:52pm
I am a smker, but I try to be a considerate one at all times. I never smoke in anyone else's place, not even on their property, if I must I go out on the street, if it's raining then I don't light up at all.
I don't smoke near anyone, anywhere, and I won't anywhere there's children, I don't even smoke in my own car. Admittedly, the main reason I'm so considerate is that it cuts down on my smoking, a lot, as well as keeping it friendly. ;) I've literally tried everything to give up, hypno, acupuncture, cold turkey, gum, patches, you name it, I've tried it, all to no avail. I read somewhere a Doc claimed that if you were addicted during puberty then giving up was virtually impossible. I don't know if that's true but it certainly seems so, I started at 9. :o As for Melbourne, they can go ahead, I think it's crazy and almost unenforceable but so what? |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by True Blue... on May 15th, 2014 at 10:08pm austranger wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:52pm:
good god man.. get a grip.. if you haven't given up yet its because you don't really want to ... career smokers rarely give up... they are hooked... they don't really want to.. a workmate of the mrs recently had a biopsy on a lump in her brain... turns out it is secondary cancer/tumour... a cancer caused by the main cancer in her body which was lung cancer... so... you know.. enjoy the rest of your life while you can... |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 15th, 2014 at 10:15pm
People who can't give up smoking show a weakness of character.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by austranger on May 15th, 2014 at 10:26pm True Blue... wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:08pm:
You have no idea how boring such sanctimonious simplistic declarations get after a while. ::) I'm not going to try defending my addiction, I hate it and would gladly be rid of it if I could, so don't bother preaching to me, it's all been said and done a hundred times before. I've already had run-ins with cancer,( skin, bone, and a benign lump in my foot), all non smoking related, and I've lived a full life anyway, on top of my disabilities, so smoking killing me isn't much of a problem for me, unfortunate but true. Emphysema scares me, but no sign of that yet, thankfully, and I'll cross that bridge if I ever come to it. Still trying to give up every day though, I fight myself before every ciggy and don't buy more after running out until I'm climbing the walls, I'm hoping I'll somehow wean myself off that way, it's all I've got left to try. Lish We Muck ;) |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 15th, 2014 at 10:33pm
Smokers who refuse to give up should legally be unable to access medical resources afforded the rest of us. I support peoples right to smoke, I do not support and resent my taxes being paid to support these drug addicts.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Laugh till you cry on May 15th, 2014 at 10:46pm ian wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:33pm:
So you contend that if a smoker is hit by a car they should be left to die on the road? |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 15th, 2014 at 10:51pm Laugh till you cry wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:46pm:
Read my comment again. Pay particular attention to the part where i state "to support drug addicts" |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 11:42pm True Blue... wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:08pm:
and thats it in a nutshell ...... I struggled to give up many times, smoked since 13 .... the day i proposed to my wife she agreed on the proviso that I quit smoking ... I promise i would and I've always been the sort to keep my word .... I was determined I would ... spend $200 on patches, tubes, nicotine capsules, gum etc in preparation for it, I didn't even end up opening the packaging for most of it, threw it all in the bin 3 months later in the end the only thing i used was an empty tube and it turned out to be pretty easy ... the only difference was that this time I wasn't doing it because someone told me to, i was doing it because I wanted to |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 11:44pm ian wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:33pm:
I do not support my taxes being used for your hospital bill when some smoker knocks you out ..... |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 15th, 2014 at 11:48pm John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 11:44pm:
I have been knocked out 3 times. None of these by a smoker. I don t think my taxes should pay for your AIDS medication either. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 11:51pm ian wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 11:48pm:
and there you have it, dopey .... neither you nor I get to chose where the taxes are used ... you just get to pay them. Now be gentle with your boyfriend, i hear his hemorroids are playing up again .... :D :D |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 15th, 2014 at 11:53pm John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 11:51pm:
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 15th, 2014 at 11:58pm
why am I not surprised that all you got out of it was the spelling errors?
It's not like you got it right either dopey .... ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 12:03am
A random spelling error is just that, random. But every post you make contains spelling errors, not a sign of literacy.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 16th, 2014 at 12:05am ian wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 12:03am:
yes I know,... It's another case of 'one rule for me, another for everyone else' it's fvcken midnight .... spelling is going to suffer ... fool |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Gnads on May 16th, 2014 at 6:33am
Gave up smoking 37 years ago when I was 21. Started very young. Can't stand the acrid smell & in the open it travels further than you think.
But the biggest irk for me is the littering aspect - so called considerate smokers still display their ignorance by flicking them everywhere. The stench from these in areas used in high concentration by smokers is gut churning. They are one of our most prevalent litter sources & the clean up costs plenty. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by True Blue... on May 16th, 2014 at 6:53am austranger wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:26pm:
no that's ok... the Tax Payer will pay the tens of thousand of dollars that it takes to care for a lung cancer patient who has self inflicted their own injuries... ::) you haven't given up because you don't really want to.. you've made it a part of your life... most career smokers will not have a fair dinkum go unless they get a fright of their lives... a life changing moment... lose the excuses and man up... good luck.. :) |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 8:25am John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 12:05am:
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by sherri on May 16th, 2014 at 8:36am
I've never smoked and loathe the smell with a passion, too, but I am not too sure how workable it is. I think it will come in one day but I'm just not sure if the general mind set is ready yet.
And fair's fair. If the city is to be a smoke free place, how's about we make it a drug free zone also, and heavily fine anyone caught using them there. Or is that too hard? Is it easier to pick on the more law abiding folk, because after all, cigarettes are legal. The reason I wonder if declaring the city a smoke free zone would work is-we already have smoke free zones. The entire grounds of ANY hospital are usually smoke free-with easy to see demarcation points- fencing, clear signs etc All school grounds are smoke free zones too. Yet I defy any of you to enter hospital grounds and not see dozens of people puffing away. They won't do it indoors, that is true, but they go outside. I saw a whole pack of them under one of the no smoking signs over at Monash medical centre the other day. I was almost tempted to take a photo with my phone but didn't quite have the front to carry through with it. :) And at Dandenong hospital, I saw a little group in wheelchairs all outside the entrance, 2 days in a row, puffing and smoking. And at Moorabbin hospital, where there is a security man at the entrance, the smokers move down the path a little. They know they are not meant to, but it is rife at every hospital with visitors and patients alike smoking like chimneys. How we could stop it in an entire city area, I have no idea. It is no point having a law or regulation unless you enforce it. No point at all. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Rosie on May 16th, 2014 at 9:00am
I stopped smoking January last year but not because I particularly wanted to it just sort of happened. I wasn't too well and had to have a scan on my legs. When I rang to make the appointment I was told, nothing to eat, nothing to drink and no smoking for 12 hours before the scan. Now for me this was almost impossible so I had to do something. I had heard about the electronic cigarettes and I went and bought one. I only intended to use it for the one day but I haven't had a cigarette from that day to this. An electronic cigarette, nicotine free, menthol flavoured liquid worked for me.
It doesn't worry me to be around people who smoke and I agree with the smoking laws in buildings etc but if the Government is serious about stopping people smoking they should ban cigarettes altogether. Of course that would never happen firstly because they want the taxes they collect and secondly there would always be a back market ready to supply anyone who wanted smokes. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Rider on May 16th, 2014 at 9:24am
pretty ambitious aim, not gonna fly of course but i hope it morphs into total no smoking in Melbourne cafes street side / outdoor areas. Nothing spoils a coffee quicker than some dipsh1t having a fag next to you.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Frances on May 16th, 2014 at 9:35am ian wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 8:25am:
As does capitalisation of the word "English". |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 9:42am
You are right Frances, a post by what appears to be a drunken monkey spouting unintelligible gibberish pales in comparison to mine failing to capitalize one word.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 9:43am ian wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:33pm:
I'm with ian all the way on this one. People like those in the pics below should not be allowed back inside the hospital: Bring on smoke-free CBDs, right across the country. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 9:55am
Go to any major hospital and witness patients outside smoking hooked up to iv drips and what not. Then walk inside also and take a gander at the demographics of the people sitting in triage. I am in favor of maintaining a universal health system but we cannot have people unwilling to change their self destructive habits consuming the most resources, this is the unfairness and is the primary thing which needs to change in my opinion.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Kytro on May 16th, 2014 at 10:02am John Smith wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
Technically you can, though it should be more you can't smoke where it affects others who don't want to be affected. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 10:07am ian wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 9:55am:
Agree 100%. For the last few months I have spent everyday visiting several hospitals in Perth (very ill, elderly parents). Despite signs saying that the grounds of the hospital are smoke-free, there are patients hooked up to drips and smoking all over the place. I've made complaints to the two major public hospitals (SCGH and RPH), however, they aren't interested in stopping the practice. In a way, I can see why they are reluctant. If you mention (quite politely) to these patients that they are not permitted to smoke on the grounds of the hospital, they usually get quite aggressive and unleash a barrage of swearing and abuse. Hospital staff have to deal with enough abuse from patients, so I understand why they don't want to expose themselves to more of it from these retarded drug addicts. I still say that if you're caught going outside for a smoke while you're a patient at a public hospital, you should be refused re-entry. If you don't want to help yourself, stop wasting other people's time. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 10:18am
Yes, my pet hate. I visit these hospitals every now and then. They are actually breaking the law by allowing them to smoke at the entrances, I agree about the abuse the staff take from some of these low lifes. The worst are the methheads.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by King FriYAY II on May 16th, 2014 at 11:39am
Please don’t smoke near me whilst out doors…..you’re ruining my poisoning from the traffic's exhaust.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 11:48am King FriYAY II wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 11:39am:
There's no traffic in outdoor pedestrian malls (where smoking is banned in Perth and Hobart). And ... "People who smoke cigarettes are pumping out 10 times more toxic air than cars, say experts. "Tobacco smoke produced far more fine particulate matter - the element of air pollution most dangerous for health - than diesel exhaust." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3590578.stm I'd have no problem if they banned cars from the CBD too. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2014 at 11:53am greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 11:48am:
Possibly true on a one to one basis. But there are a lot more motor vehicles than smokers. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 11:54am gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 11:53am:
Yep. Ban cars from the CBD. I'm all for that too. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 12:39pm |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Lady Lols on May 16th, 2014 at 12:45pm austranger wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:26pm:
There's an ad on tv, "Nicorette, nicorette, you can beat the cigarette" and it's a spray for when you feel the urge to smoke, have you tried that yet? Also, there are those e-ciggies, seems to have a good effect to help some rid the smoking habit, I have seen this with my daughter's friends, pleased to say. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 12:50pm
I dont think Austranger needs advice, he just needs a set of balls.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Rider on May 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm ian wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 9:55am:
Sadder still are the nurses out there fagging away too...that I simply don't get. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 1:11pm Rider wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
when you see who they have to deal with constantly, its a hell of a job and not paid nearly enough. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2014 at 1:35pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 11:54am:
I agree, my father was all for that, 20 years ago in Sydney |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 1:39pm Sophia wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 12:45pm:
There's an even better method than that: don't buy any more cigarettes; don't accept cigarettes from anyone else; and stop putting cigarettes in your mouth and lighting them. As a way of stopping smoking, this has a 100% success rate. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by King FriYAY II on May 16th, 2014 at 1:46pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 11:48am:
I'll go sit in the car and smoke for an hour. You go hook up your exhaust and sit in the car for an hour. We'll compare notes afterwards... NOTE: Please write your notes clearly (and really smacking fast!!! lol) ;) |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 16th, 2014 at 1:51pm ian wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 8:25am:
were you dropped on your head as a child? felt a little unloved perhaps? your boyfriend wasn't around much? at midnight people get tired .... :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by John Smith on May 16th, 2014 at 1:54pm Kytro wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 10:02am:
no you can't you can be either inside, or outside ... |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2014 at 2:00pm John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
Yep, completely agree John ( yeah, a shock , huh??) And Kytro, how do you define 'affects others'??? is that a scientifically measurable 'affect' or a psychological or emotional affect? |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by greggerypeccary on May 16th, 2014 at 2:14pm King FriYAY II wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 1:46pm:
When they refer to "air pollution", they are talking about the air outdoors, as opposed to enclosed spaces. ("They also support growing calls for a smoking ban in enclosed public spaces.") Just ban smoking and cars from the CBD. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ian on May 16th, 2014 at 2:37pm John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 1:51pm:
is it midnight already John :D |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Kytro on May 16th, 2014 at 3:59pm John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
It's not inside and outside of all places though, only some. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2014 at 4:01pm Kytro wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 3:59pm:
Actually...every place has an 'inside and outside' |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Kytro on May 16th, 2014 at 4:02pm gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 2:00pm:
I think it's pretty reasonable thing to figure out. Don't smoke where people who don't want to breathe it are likely to do so. This attitude applies to other things well, not just smoking. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by PZ547 on May 16th, 2014 at 4:05pm
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Yeah. They're scared now Truth's out Most of the world knows and photographs Chemtrails which our governments are not only breaking our budgets to finance but which are poisoning our kids in the backyard and school playground not to mention gardeners, golfers, etc. etc. Yeah, the Chemtrails are beginning to bite Woman over the road just died from lung cancer. She's never smoked, lived healthily, etc. People are falling victim to Chemtrails -- same Chemtrails our government refuses to discuss despite numerous overseas nations having made documentaries about them, etc. That's why they began the Evil Cigarettes agenda back then. And have been pumping it up ever since. Despite that the US Surgeon General has not been able to provide one body which died from anything remotely connected to the 'second hand smoke' myth and despite that of all smokers, even those who're life-long smokers, only 15% die from smoking related illness Gee, check the tally of deaths which even OUR GOVERNMENT attributes to what's known as 'medical error' ! In 1995, it was stated in Parliament that 'medical error' kills up to 50,000 Australians every year, with the lowest estimate they could come up with being 18,000 That's more than car accidents, troop casualties here and overseas, poisonings, drownings, homicides, diseases of all kinds But they've been told from above to blame smoking and you'll notice the whore media plugs the fiction at every opportunity Chemtrails, dears Chemtrails but you won't wake up until way too late |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm Kytro wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
Ok, NO that's NOT at all 'reasonable'. The whole concept of choice does really exist. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Kytro on May 16th, 2014 at 6:25pm gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
Indeed. In both cases it depends on the place as to if it is allowed there or not. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Kytro on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm gizmo_2655 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm:
You can choose to rob people to, doesn't mean there are not consequences. Just because a thing is legal in some circumstances does not mean it always is or should be. It's not only unreasonable to smoke at a bus stop where people need to wait for a bus, it's rude to do so. A rule saying you can't smoke there is perfectly acceptable. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 16th, 2014 at 6:31pm Kytro wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Can you repeat that in English?? or can you only speak in ' idiot'??? |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by ashlee on May 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm
I will only speak from my own experience and perceptions, as a non smoker, my immediate family are also non smokers, bar 1, but I don't care if people choose to smoke, or are addicted to smoking. All I ask is when they're in my home, they don't. What they do in their own homes, is their business. If they smoke out doors, so what? There is plenty of air for everyone. If you don't want to be where people are smoking, don't. Common sense, live and let live.
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Lisa Jones on May 16th, 2014 at 6:44pm ian wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 10:15pm:
They also show that they can't overcome their nicotene addiction. * Nicotene : a colourless, poisonous alkaloid, C10H14N2, derived from the tobacco plant and used as an insecticide. It is the substance in tobacco to which smokers can become addicted. |
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Title: Re: Where's their Smoke? Post by Gnads on May 17th, 2014 at 1:17am ashlee wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:38pm:
Non smokers don't go where smokers are...... The problem is ignorant smokers who light up around non smokers because they think they can & the non smokers should cop it. If you were meant to smoke you' have a smoke stack on top of your head. :P |
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