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We can only hope she manages to escape the punishment that is being planned for her.

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Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

Quote: Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Sometimes I think maybe a One World New Order might not be such a bad thing if it means getting rid of insane monsters who are in charge of whole nations of people.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

Quote: Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Muslims here would do the same if we allowed them.

bobby - course they would. it's in the Koran.

that's why they are a bit tight lipped about boko haram kidnapping Christian girls.
the ends are the same, just different means of getting there.

Sounds like the corrupt military dictator who runs the country needs a distraction from his domestic problems.


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...President Omar al-Bashir's government is facing a huge economic and political challenge after the 2011 secession of South Sudan, which was Sudan's main source of oil. A decision by Bashir last year to cut subsidies and impose austerity measures prompted violent protests in which dozens were killed and hundreds were injured... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/05/sudan-woman-faces-death-penalty-apostasy-201451455639303457.html

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Two major Saudi Arabian banks have joined western financial institutions in cutting off dealings with Sudan. Al Rajhi and Ahly banks are the latest to stop doing business with the North African state, adding to Sudan's isolation and further straining its cash-starved economy. http://www.aljazeera.com/video/africa/2014/03/saudi-banks-join-us-sanctions-against-sudan-2014322114113511223.html

The leader of the Islamist movement in Sudan has called for Sudan's president to surrender to the International Criminal Court:



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Hassan al-Turabi Al-Turabi has espoused progressive Islamist ideas, such as the embrace of democracy, healing the breach and expanding the rights of women... ...He opposed the death penalty for apostasy from Islam... ...On 12 January 2009, al-Turabi called on Bashir to surrender himself to the International Criminal Court for the sake of the country, while holding Bashir politically responsible for war crimes in Darfur... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_al-Turabi

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

bobby - course they would. it's in the Koran.

What specifically sprint? Death by flogging for marrying a christian? If you wouldn't mind just showing me the specific sura and ayat, that would be great thanks.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

bobby - course they would. it's in the Koran. that's why they are a bit tight lipped about boko haram kidnapping Christian girls. the ends are the same, just different means of getting there.

Have you noticed that it's not on the news here in Australia?

Sounds like our news is highly controlled.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 11:55pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:55pm: bobby - course they would. it's in the Koran. What specifically sprint? Death by flogging for marrying a christian? If you wouldn't mind just showing me the specific sura and ayat, that would be great thanks.

You're the Koran expert - you show us.

How about condemning it in public right here on Ozpolitic?

Bobby. wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

You're the Koran expert - you show us.

You want me to make up a verse that is not there? Ah yes, sorry I forgot thats how we work around here.

This should do...

Sura 114 verse 29:

And ye shall seize any 8 month pregnant woman who takes as her husband those amongst the people of the book and flay her savagely until she is dead - ensuring also that the unborn child suffers and dies. And ye shall ignore all previous commands regarding the need to protect and nurture the innocent babes. And Allah is all compassionate, all merciful.

That one does not come from a trustworthy source, which proves that it is a fake.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 11:55pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:55pm: bobby - course they would. it's in the Koran. What specifically sprint? Death by flogging for marrying a christian? If you wouldn't mind just showing me the specific sura and ayat, that would be great thanks.

;D ;D ;D

Bobby. wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15th, 2014 at 9:18pm: Quote: Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Muslims here would do the same if we allowed them.

Ah!!!!!

At last, the pennies are beginning to drop!       :)





Thanks bobby.

I apologise in advance, for my verbose response to your post.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:40am: You're the Koran expert - you show us. You want me to make up a verse that is not there? Ah yes, sorry I forgot thats how we work around here. This should do... Sura 114 verse 29: And ye shall seize any 8 month pregnant woman who takes as her husband those amongst the people of the book and flay her savagely until she is dead - ensuring also that the unborn child suffers and dies. And ye shall ignore all previous commands regarding the need to protect and nurture the innocent babes. And Allah is all compassionate, all merciful.

In the UK, the 'all compassionate, all merciful' moslem community, show how it is done.....


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Murder girl's five cries for help that were ignored By FIONA BARTON and STEPHEN WRIGHT 11th June 2007 Five police officers are under investigation after a series of terrible blunders left a young Muslim woman at the mercy of killers in her own family. ....It also emerged that in the two months before her death she had warned police four times that she believed her family wanted to murder her. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-461280/Murder-girls-cries-help-ignored.html The Times February 05, 2005 Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family By Anthony Browne While Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder For police, religious authorities and politicians, it is an issue so sensitive that they are accused by victims of refusing to respond to appeals for help. Page 1 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1 Many young muslim women are being murdered by family members, because they seek to escape the stiffling control ISLAM has over their lives [through their families]. And young muslim women in particular are being targeted, because of their vulnerability, and powerlessness. These young women are being killed, because they are [easy] 'targets of opportunity', within the muslim community. THE SHAME OF MUSLIM DAUGHTERS MARRYING 'KUFFAR' IS NOT TO BE TOLERATED. ISLAM's highest authority, Allah, in the Koran, instructs muslims on the great shame of muslim daughters engaging in 'multicultural' tolerance..... "Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise." http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.221

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Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

And a moslem woman, marry a Christian man, IS A CAPITAL CRIME [i.e. deserving of death], in ISLAM.




n.b.
How does the ISLAMIC deity describe Christians [and Jews] ?

"....the People of the Book......among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110




A moslem woman, marry a Christian ????

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


Therefore, if a moslem woman, marries a Christian man, she becomes an apostate, and unworthy to live.



ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under.

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Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death. Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under.

I think you miss Abu.

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I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?

I don't know how gandalf will respond....

.....but we do know that another moslem here on OzPol, True_Colours, does not support violence against infidels, even if the infidel was once a moslem.....


True, True_Colours ?



True Colours wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:03am: ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers''... Garbage. Killing an innocent is not allowed in Islam. ........ Quote: Let there be no compulsion in religion; - the Quran, al-Baqara, v.256

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A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm: Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under. I think you miss Abu.

At the time I thought he was bad, but he was an amateur compared to Gandalf. At least I could get a straight answer out of him, even if it did take a dozen pages of asking.

aww FD I just know you would get all nostalgic about me if I left - admit it!

Ahem.

Gandalf??


Lisa Jones wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

Quote: Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion) The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death. Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?

Lisa Jones wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?

Gandalf is abhored by it, and has argued consistently that there is no islamic basis for death for apostasy.

I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:36pm: I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out? Gandalf is abhored by it, and has argued consistently that there is no islamic basis for death for apostasy. I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.

K. Glad to hear this. Relieved even.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

True Colours wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:15pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm: Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under. I think you miss Abu. At the time I thought he was bad, but he was an amateur compared to Gandalf. At least I could get a straight answer out of him, even if it did take a dozen pages of asking.

yes, your patience is amazing.

And as predicted...

Sudanese woman sentenced to death for renouncing Islam to be 'freed within days', official says

If there is no law against apostasy in islam, the logical question is: Why did they charge her in the first place?

They charged her because:

The death penalty for apostasy is preached in the qur'an, it is an integral part of islam, below are the qur'an verses. There are many references in the hadi'th as well

qur'an: 4.88 -  What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

Allah has made them return (to unbelief) in other words allah has made apostates of them.

qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

disbelieve as they disbelieve, means they are apostates, they emigrate in the way of allah, means they become muslims, they join islam, then if they turn their backs, means they have become apostates, they turn their back on islam. it is then the duty of muslims to slay them

It is only because today 2014, we have instantaneous communications, the degenerate backwardness of muslims is flashed around the globe in seconds, public outcry occurred immediately in the civilized world. muslims had to back down.


In the days before we had the means to so quickly convey information globally, about this barbaric atrocity of muslims, these inhumane pigs would have flogged and killed her in front of a jeering muslim crowd, all whipping themselves into a blood crazed frenzy, shouting allahu akbar, as they tortured her to death.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:56pm:

And as predicted... Sudanese woman sentenced to death for renouncing Islam to be 'freed within days', official says

I do not see any good side in this whatsoever.
Only an oppressive regime

Are you going to stand back and say "Oh, look, they did not murder her after all !!!!!!!! See how good islam is?"

Islam disgusts me

Oh Sprint, you are so predictable. No thats not what I meant, as I made clear in my previous post:


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I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Oh Sprint, you are so predictable. No thats not what I meant, as I made clear in my previous post: Quote: I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.

Actions speak louder than twisting words.

the extreme violence of islam is predictable

and disgusting

Gandalf often feels the need to qualify his excuses by pointing out that he is not excusing anything.