The latest row centres on comments made in an email by Mr Vockrodt complaining about an alleged planning breach by 'the Afghan community' in Brent, north London.

He wrote: ‘Being Muslims, they ignored both refusals, and did it anyway.’

He claimed political correctness was preventing the council taking action 'for fear of being called racists, when, just like in all the other cases where Muslims are grooming children to be sex slaves under the eyes of the authorities, the council does nothing'.

He claimed the neighbourhood was 'already exploding under the weight of segregation' and shopkeepers had been 'squeezed out by Muslims'.

'The entire parade - once lovely owner/occupier shops - resembles Helmand Province (Afghanistan) now. Time to call in MI5 and MI6 for sure,' he added.

'Islam is a mono-cultural, totalitarian ideology. It is NOT a religion. It is against multi-culturalism and only promotes its own culture. It is against everything modern Britain stands for.'

link

I don't give a damn what happens in uk.

If u care so much Herbert then why not go back and help your countrymen?

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

I don't give a damn what happens in uk. If u care so much Herbert then why not go back and help your countrymen?

It's a window on Immigrant Islam.

I'm quite sure you would rather the curtains were closed.

Forewarned is forearmed, politically speaking ... but our successive governments couldn't give a damn until there's rioting in the streets.

Afghans only largely came to the uk and Aus after there country got bombed back to the stone ages.

Don't blame the afghans for fleeing the beautiful democracy American built for them.

They are fleeing their fellow Muslims who are trying to kill them - all America's fault of course.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

They are fleeing their fellow Muslims who are trying to kill them - all America's fault of course.

They weren't fleeing to the west before America invaded.

Like I said, it is all America's fault that Muslims are slaughtering Muslims to stop the spread of democracy.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:39pm:

Like I said, it is all America's fault that Muslims are slaughtering Muslims to stop the spread of democracy.

Afghanistan has no money, army or security, thats americas job, since they wanted to spread democracy.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

wally1 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm: I don't give a damn what happens in uk. If u care so much Herbert then why not go back and help your countrymen? It's a window on Immigrant Islam. I'm quite sure you would rather the curtains were closed. Forewarned is forearmed, politically speaking ... but our successive governments couldn't give a damn until there's rioting in the streets.

You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody.

Police investigate far-right 'invasions' of Bradford and Glasgow mosques

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/police-far-right-invasions-bradford-glasgow-mosques-britain-first

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:39pm: Like I said, it is all America's fault that Muslims are slaughtering Muslims to stop the spread of democracy. Afghanistan has no money, army or security, thats americas job, since they wanted to spread democracy.

Of course. Like I said it is all America's fault for not doing everything for them, decade after decade, including stopping Muslims slaughtering Muslims in their jihad to stop the spread of democracy.

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:46pm: wally1 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm: I don't give a damn what happens in uk. If u care so much Herbert then why not go back and help your countrymen? It's a window on Immigrant Islam. I'm quite sure you would rather the curtains were closed. Forewarned is forearmed, politically speaking ... but our successive governments couldn't give a damn until there's rioting in the streets. You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody. Police investigate far-right 'invasions' of Bradford and Glasgow mosques http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/police-far-right-invasions-bradford-glasgow-mosques-britain-first

Victims say that officers in the borough of Tower Hamlets have ignored or downplayed outbreaks of hate crime, and suppressed evidence implicating Muslims in them, because they fear being accused of racism.

The claims come as four Tower Hamlets Muslims were jailed for at least 19 years for attacking a local white teacher who gave religious studies lessons to Muslim girls.

The Sunday Telegraph has uncovered more than a dozen other cases in Tower Hamlets where both Muslims and non-Muslims have been threatened or beaten for behaviour deemed to breach fundamentalist “Islamic norms.”

One victim, Mohammed Monzur Rahman, said he was left partially blind and with a dislocated shoulder after being attacked by a mob in Cannon Street Road, Shadwell, for smoking during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan last year.

“Two guys stopped me in the street and asked me why I was smoking,” he said. “I just carried on, and before I knew another dozen guys came and jumped me. The next thing I knew, I was waking up in hospital.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html

http://i.imgur.com/LNqXsUq.jpg

What do you think about the Taliban Wally1?

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:39pm: Like I said, it is all America's fault that Muslims are slaughtering Muslims to stop the spread of democracy. Afghanistan has no money, army or security, thats americas job, since they wanted to spread democracy.

Not only that its all our fault too we should all have a poor muslims killing muslim tax.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

They are fleeing their fellow Muslims who are trying to kill them - all America's fault of course.

Did you read this, Wally?

Fleeing their fellow Muslims.

***

What do you think about this comment, Wally? Is there some truth to it?

"Islam is a mono-cultural, totalitarian ideology. It is NOT a religion. It is against multi-culturalism and only promotes its own culture".

wally1 wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody.

Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding).

That's a new story to me. I don't approve of these Christian evangelists going into mosques to proselytise uninvited. That sort of behaviour is 'unhelpful'.

Mattywisk wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Police investigate far-right 'invasions' of Bradford and Glasgow mosques The claims come as four Tower Hamlets Muslims were jailed for at least 19 years for attacking a local white teacher who gave religious studies lessons to Muslim girls.

He was an idiot to assume that authority for himself without permission from the parents.


Mattywisk wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

The Sunday Telegraph has uncovered more than a dozen other cases in Tower Hamlets where both Muslims and non-Muslims have been threatened or beaten for behaviour deemed to breach fundamentalist “Islamic norms.”

The Culture Wars. It's on for young and old in certain high-density Muslim areas.


Mattywisk wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

One victim, Mohammed Monzur Rahman, said he was left partially blind and with a dislocated shoulder after being attacked by a mob in Cannon Street Road, Shadwell, for smoking during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan last year.

Poor bugger.

“Two guys stopped me in the street and asked me why I was smoking,” he said. “I just carried on, and before I knew another dozen guys came and jumped me. The next thing I knew, I was waking up in hospital.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html[/quote]

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

wally1 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm: You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody. Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding). That's a new story to me. I don't approve of these Christian evangelists going into mosques to proselytise uninvited. That sort of behaviour is 'unhelpful'.

Funny thing was it wasn't Christian Evangelists at all eh.

Mattywisk wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 8:26pm: wally1 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm: You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody. Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding). That's a new story to me. I don't approve of these Christian evangelists going into mosques to proselytise uninvited. That sort of behaviour is 'unhelpful'. Funny thing was it wasn't Christian Evangelists at all eh.

I was referring to an earlier story, not this one about Tower whatever.

Quote:

He was an idiot to assume that authority for himself without permission from the parents.

What authority did he assume?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Quote: He was an idiot to assume that authority for himself without permission from the parents. What authority did he assume?

The authority to teach Christianity to Muslim schoolchildren.

Do you need some kind of badge to do that?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

...shopkeepers had been 'squeezed out by Muslims

I can see what this makes your blood boil Herbie.

How dare they operate profitable businesses! They should all be bludging on the dole right? 

These immigrants they want to have their cake and eat too! They are all on the dole, whilst at the same time operating successful business right?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Do you need some kind of badge to do that?

I think it is the same badge you need where muslims tell everyone that islam is right and every other religion is wrong even if they existed before mohammed invented it.

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:32pm: ...shopkeepers had been 'squeezed out by Muslims I can see what this makes your blood boil Herbie. How dare they operate profitable businesses! They should all be bludging on the dole right?  These immigrants they want to have their cake and eat too! They are all on the dole, whilst at the same time operating successful business right?

It wouldn't surprise me.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Do you need some kind of badge to do that?

They wear badges when they come knocking on my door.

In a public school you need written permission from the parents ~ both Muslim and Christian.

The guy was way out of order and an unusually ignorant dope for not realising that teaching Christianity to Muslim children was playing with dynamite.

He shouldn't have been beaten up, but should have been warned to discontinue what he was doing.

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:32pm: ...shopkeepers had been 'squeezed out by Muslims I can see what this makes your blood boil Herbie. How dare they operate profitable businesses! They should all be bludging on the dole right?  These immigrants they want to have their cake and eat too! They are all on the dole, whilst at the same time operating successful business right?

;D ;D ;D

The colonisation of whole districts in London by anti-assimilationist Muslims is bound to raise an eyebrow by the local Brits.

Meanwhile ... link

You need permission from the parents to make it an official class, which is entirely reasonable given that education is compulsory.

I doubt this even happened on school grounds. The story is a bit short on detail though.

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

You need permission from the parents to make it an official class, which is entirely reasonable given that education is compulsory. I doubt this even happened on school grounds. The story is a bit short on detail though.

I feel (sort of sorry) for this religious teacher, but as an atheist kid who was dragged through school for 7 years having to attend church every Sunday, and listen to preaching, and attend religious classes, I don't have too much sympathy for people who get their rocks off telling small kids that religion is history and not delusional fantasies dreamed up 2000 years ago to explain Nature and the universe and everything in between.

There's not the slightest chance that the Muslim parents gave permission for that school/teacher to start lecturing their children on Christianity.

The guy was a fool and an idiot who must have lived on another planet these last few years not to know that there could be nasty repercussions for presuming to lecture the Muslim kids on Christianity.

It's hard to believe that since 9/11 anyone could be so idiotic as to do what he did. He should have pulled his head out of his arse a long time ago and taken stock of the current realities.

So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone?

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone?

If you're a teacher in a mixed-religion school ~ you should leave your Bible or Koran at home.

True Colours wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 10:11pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 5:32pm: ...shopkeepers had been 'squeezed out by Muslims I can see what this makes your blood boil Herbie. How dare they operate profitable businesses! They should all be bludging on the dole right?  These immigrants they want to have their cake and eat too! They are all on the dole, whilst at the same time operating successful business right?

But they do TC they Do

UK Muslim unemployment stood at 16% (4.7% nationally), with nearly a third of 16-34 year olds unemployed

http://www.1stethical.com/about/british-muslim-statistics/

unemployment among people of French origin is 9.2% while for those of foreign backgrounds, the rate is 14%. These statistics have been adjusted for educational qualifications. Additionally, in comparison to a 5% overall employment rate for people of French origin, 26.5% of university graduates with North African backgrounds are unemployed.

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/france/

the unemployment rate among the young Muslim population is estimated to be around 30%

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/germany/

The rate of employment of Belgian residents born outside of the European Union rose last year to 45.8%. No other European country has so few of its immigrants in work, said De Standaard on Tuesday.

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/belgium-has-highest-immigrant.html

OECD data shows unemployment rates for the foreign born are more than twice as high as for natives. 21 Sweden’s Muslims have unemployment rates 4 to 10 times higher than non-Muslims, depending on ethnicity

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/sweden/

We are lucky though we have new age muslims, our boys want to work.......

But this doesn't translate into financial rewards, apparently because of language barriers, discrimination and non-recognition of qualifications obtained abroad. Unemployment among Muslims is two to four times the rates among other Australians. Twice as many Muslims have no income. Only 15 per cent own their own homes, compared with one-third of other Australians. Twenty-six per cent of Muslim teenagers are unemployed, against 14 per cent of non-Muslims. And, shockingly, 40 per cent of Muslim children live in poverty, almost three times the national average.

Should learn not to breed like bloody rabbits. I blame it on gambling drugs alcohol and prostitution myself their addiction's know no bounds, and don't start me on about prison populations for Allah's sake.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/our-high-profile-muslim-minority/story-e6frg6z6-1226007821201

Lord Herbert wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

freediver wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 8:48am: So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone? If you're a teacher in a mixed-religion school ~ you should leave your Bible or Koran at home.

Where does it say this occurred in school? Or that the kids were coerced to participate? If it had happened in class, there would have been far greater repercussions.

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 10:21am: freediver wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 8:48am: So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone? If you're a teacher in a mixed-religion school ~ you should leave your Bible or Koran at home. Where does it say this occurred in school? Or that the kids were coerced to participate? If it had happened in class, there would have been far greater repercussions.

Jesus. Okay ... I'll read the story again from a different news source and get back to you.

Are you sure you're not trying to pull my chain here ... ?

Is the water too rough to go fishing?  8-)

Adamant wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 11:02am:

1) Unemployment among Muslims is two to four times the rates among other Australians. 2) Twice as many Muslims have no income. 3) Only 15 per cent own their own homes, compared with one-third of other Australians. 4) Twenty-six per cent of Muslim teenagers are unemployed, against 14 per cent of non-Muslims. 5) And 40 per cent of Muslim children live in poverty, almost three times the national average. I blame it on gambling, drugs, alcohol and prostitution myself.

I doubt this very much.

It's not wanting to work in boring environments like factories and the like, and culturally not being too happy to be in a subservient position to a non-Muslim boss.

And needless to say, after they worked out all the different ways of maximising government benefits from various sources, they're left with little motive to put themselves in for a full working life in the mainstream.

A Turkish friend of mine did nothing but buy cars from auctions, and then after sprucing them up he sold them to the public. Don't know now, but the law allowed for 5 cars a year, tax-free, but of course, who was keeping count?  :P

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

wally1 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm: You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody. Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding).

Herb,

That's, (Just kidding), ASIO.

:)

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

So we should all be tiptoeing around Muslims in case they kill someone?

They wish!

Terror [threats, intimidation, and violence] is the modus operandi of ISLAM.

Over 1,400 years, moslems have learnt that a fear-ful enemy, is a weak and compliant enemy.







WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Mohammed is a terrorist, as defined by the Haddith....

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062






"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land....."
Koran 8.67

Koran [8:67 above] meaning here, first moslems should beleaguer and slaughter their enemies in the land, to terrorise, to cower them.

And then later, moslems will more easily be able to defeat, and enslave a pliant, fearful enemy people.

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 8:26pm: wally1 wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:27pm: You keep saying that people are scared to speak up against islam but a few days ago in the UK members of the Britain first went into mosques handing out bible and christian propaganda, and what a surprise,muslims didnt reply with a attack or kill anybody. Maybe that's because ...'revenge is a dish best served cold' ... (Just kidding). Herb, That's, (Just kidding), ASIO. :)

Maybe it was James Bond's MI5 people?  :)

Australian racism has nothing to do with it?


Quote:

education-wise Muslims are high achievers: 21 per cent of Muslim males have a university degree, compared with 15 per cent of non-Muslims. But this doesn't translate into financial rewards, apparently because of language barriers, discrimination and non-recognition of qualifications obtained abroad. Unemployment among Muslims is two to four times the rates among other Australians. Twice as many Muslims have no income. Only 15 per cent own their own homes, compared with one-third of other Australians. Twenty-six per cent of Muslim teenagers are unemployed, against 14 per cent of non-Muslims. And, shockingly, 40 per cent of Muslim children live in poverty, almost three times the national average.

Australian bosses are racist when it's time to hire


A FOREIGN or indigenous-sounding name gives people less chance of landing a job in Australia, a study has found...

...Typically a Chinese-named applicant would need to put in 68 per cent more applications than an Anglo-named applicant to get the same number of calls back. A Middle Eastern-named applicant needed 64 per cent more, an indigenous-named applicant 35 per cent more and an Italian-named applicant 12 per cent more...

...Discrimination tends to be higher when you have a recent influx of arrivals, as Sydney has from China and the Middle East...

...Asked whether the study had found that Australian employers were racist, Dr Leigh said it was clear they discriminated on the basis of the racial origin of applicants' names. "There is no other reasonable interpretation of our results," he said.
The fake applications had made clear that the supposed job-seekers had completed secondary schooling in Australia, making it unlikely that the employers had assumed the non-Anglo applicants could not speak English.

A similar study carried out in the US found that applicants with African-American-sounding names needed to submit 50 per cent more applications than white applicants to get the same number of interviews, suggesting that Australian employers were more prejudiced...

http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-bosses-are-racist-when-its-time-to-hire-20090617-chvu.html

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...." hadith/bukhari #004.052.220 ".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....." hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

Ah yes, sounds very sinister - if you imply that it has something to do with terrorism, and ignore the fact that this was a reference to the help of God's angels.


The terror refers to the emotions felt by pagan attackers when they saw angels coming down to help the Muslims:



Quote:

It has been narrated on the authority of 'Umar b. al-Khattab who said: "When it was the day on which the Battle of Badr was fought (where a pagan army attempted to invade the fledgeling Islamic state), the Prophet of God (peace & blessings of God upon him) cast a glance at the pagans, and they were one thousand while his own Companions were three hundred and nineteen. The Holy Prophet...stretched his hands and began his supplication to his Lord:" O God, accomplish for me what Thou hast promised to me. O God, bring about what Thou hast promised to me. O God, if this small band of Muslims is destroyed. Thou will not be worshipped on this earth." He continued his supplication to his Lord... So God, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed (the Qur'anic verse):" When ye appealed to your Lord for help, He responded to your call (saying): I will help you with one thousand angels coming in succession." So God helped him with angels." Abu Zumail said that the badith was narrated to him by Ibn 'Abbas who said: "While on that day a Muslim was chasing a pagan who was going ahead of him, he heard over him' the swishing of the whip and the voice of the rider saying: Go ahead, Haizi'm (this is the name of Gabriel's horse)! He glanced at the pagan who had (now) fallen down on his back. When he looked at him (carefully he found that) there was a scar on his nose and his face was torn as if it had been lashed with a whip, and had turned green with its poison. A Madinite native came to the Prophet of God and related this (event) to him. He said: You have told the truth. This was the (angelic) help from the third heaven. The Muslims that day (during the defence against pagan invasion at the Battle of Badr) killed seventy persons and captured seventy. The Prophet of God  said to Abu Bakr and 'Umar: What is your opinion about these captives? Abu Bakr said: They are our kith and kin. I think you should release them after getting from them a ransom. This will be a source of strength to us against the pagans. It is quite possible that God may guide them to Islam.... - Saheeh al-Muslim

Quote:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said on the day (of the defence against the pagan invasion) of Badr: "This is Gabriel holding the head of his horse and equipped with arms for the battle. - Bukhari

Quote:

Narrated Rifaa: (who was one of the badr warriors) Gabriel came to the Prophet and said, "How do you look upon the warriors of (the repulsion of pagan invasion at) Badr among yourselves?" The Prophet said, "As the best of the Muslims." or said a similar statement. On that, Gabriel said, "And so are the angels who participated in the Badr (defence against pagan invasion)." - Bukhari

Quote:

"(Remember) when you sought help of your Lord and He answered you saying, 'I will help you with a thousand Angels each behind the other in succession." - the Quran, al-Anfal v. 9]

TC,

I liked those Hadith verses better, they way i presented them;



WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Mohammed is a terrorist, as defined by the Haddith....

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196








WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

ISLAM is terrorism, as defined by the Koran.....

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29







WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

ISLAM is terrorism, as defined by the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia....


Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

WHAT IS TERRORISM ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Being a moslem, is terrorism, as defined by the violent political behaviour of [many] moslems.....

e.g.
THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Oh right like say for example, Jesus?


Quote:

And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

Stratos wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm: terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh right like say for example, Jesus? Quote: And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

And the Pharisees later arranged the execution of the 'terrorist' Jesus.

So what is your beef exactly ?

Stratos wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm: terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh right like say for example, Jesus? Quote: And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

Or John Howard's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Or Alan Jones calling for the Cronulla Riot.

Or Tony Abbott ordering Federal Police to aggressively pursue anyone supporting the Syrian freedom fighter.

Are yes, terrorism comes in all shapes and sizes doesn't it?

True Colours wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Stratos wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:46pm: Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm: terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh right like say for example, Jesus? Quote: And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Or John Howard's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Then the moslem community in Australia should move, to have John Howard charged, and face charges in court, as a terrorist.

What are you waiting for  ?

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:

Stratos wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:46pm: Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm: terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh right like say for example, Jesus? Quote: And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And the Pharisees later arranged the execution of the 'terrorist' Jesus. So what is your beef exactly ?

No beef, just that your definition of a terrorist includes the actions of the man you are supposed to imitate as per scripture.  Does that mean that you are a terrorist Yadda?

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

WHAT IS TERRORISM ? Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Being a moslem, is terrorism, as defined by the violent political behaviour of [many] moslems..... e.g. THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Like the jews in israel, or christian terrorists invading iraq and afghanistan?

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:06pm:

Then the moslem community in Australia should move, to have John Howard charged, and face charges in court, as a terrorist. What are you waiting for  ?

Isn't that the role of police?

True Colours wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 2:06pm: Then the moslem community in Australia should move, to have John Howard charged, and face charges in court, as a terrorist. What are you waiting for  ? Isn't that the role of police?

Nope - the Muselman. John Howard should be tried in absentia and extradited for execution.

Allah Uakbar!

And where was Wally, Karnal, Gandalf etc when their muslim brothers and sisters were fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? You guessed it! Yep, guzzling back big mac in Australia, an enemy nation. Cowards!

Ah yes, but the fight must be brought to the enemy, no?

Allah Uakbar.

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

And where was Wally, Karnal, Gandalf etc when their muslim brothers and sisters were fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? You guessed it! Yep, guzzling back big mac in Australia, an enemy nation. Cowards!

Yeah they weren't brave enough to let some drone do all the work for them. Pathetic isn't it?

Howard, Blair, Bush, Obama, all ready to fight on the front lines no? Heroic no?

hazy123 wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

And where was Wally, Karnal, Gandalf etc when their muslim brothers and sisters were fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? You guessed it! Yep, guzzling back big mac in Australia, an enemy nation. Cowards!

Not just a big mac but a mcchicken burger and strawbery mcflurry, yummy.

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

WHAT IS TERRORISM ? Dictionary; terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Being a moslem, is terrorism, as defined by the violent political behaviour of [many] moslems..... e.g. THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Poor poor Mohammed bringing terror to his enemies.

Mohammed and his armies well less in number in alot of his battles, has less men and equipment, less money, less fighting experience and he still crushed his enemies, some larger and more well equipped in number.

It must of been devastating for the enemy seeing Mohammed  wearing thongs, ripped dirty clothes and riding on donkeys, ready for battle.

Mohamed was deadly scary. He surely brough terror to his enemies with his homemade bows and arrows.

True Colours wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Stratos wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:46pm: Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm: terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh right like say for example, Jesus? Quote: And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Or John Howard's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Or Alan Jones calling for the Cronulla Riot. Or Tony Abbott ordering Federal Police to aggressively pursue anyone supporting the Syrian freedom fighter. Are yes, terrorism comes in all shapes and sizes doesn't it?

What do you think is meant by "overthrew the tables"?

Did you ride a a donkey when you went through the drive through?
p.s there's no such thing as a strawberry mcflurry

hazy123 wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 9:05am:

Did you ride a a donkey when you went through the drive through? p.s there's no such thing as a strawberry mcflurry

They can still put strawberry on request.

Yes i rode my donkey through drivethrough. He ordered a large Bigmac meal.

He better be registered!

Stratos wrote on May 17^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:58pm: Stratos wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:46pm: Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 1:42pm: terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Oh right like say for example, Jesus? Quote: And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And the Pharisees later arranged the execution of the 'terrorist' Jesus. So what is your beef exactly ? No beef, just that your definition of a terrorist includes the actions of the man you are supposed to imitate as per scripture.  Does that mean that you are a terrorist Yadda?

Stratos,

Perhaps.

I am charged, by God, to [try to] keep my temple, a holy place.

Is that 'terrorism' ?


Ask the demons [the evil angels].           :)






John 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21  But he spake of the temple of his body.


Acts 7:44
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
45  Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
46  Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
47  But Solomon built him an house.
48  Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,


Matthew 12:43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44  Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45  Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy....