I have dual core ... #0 and #1. Running now at 74C and 71C

According to THIS chart my PC is running critically hot.

My system is an AMD Athlon 64  x2  6000+ (Windsor)

It's a nuisance. I just got a pop-up saying it's running hot.

Using app. named Core Temp 1.0 RC6

Lord Herbert wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 8:59pm:

I have dual core ... #0 and #1. Running now at 74C and 71C According to THIS chart my PC is running critically hot. My system is an AMD Athlon 64  x2  6000+ (Windsor) It's a nuisance. I just got a pop-up saying it's running hot. Using app. named Core Temp 1.0 RC6

Did you clean the dust out as per your old thread?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 8:59pm:

I have dual core ... #0 and #1. Running now at 74C and 71C According to THIS chart my PC is running critically hot. My system is an AMD Athlon 64  x2  6000+ (Windsor) It's a nuisance. I just got a pop-up saying it's running hot. Using app. named Core Temp 1.0 RC6

Those temps are fine.

Start worrying when they exceed 90C regularly.

The machine WILL shut down before damage can occur.

Bobby. wrote on May 21^st, 2014 at 9:01pm:

Did you clean the dust out as per your old thread?

Yes.

I've just started up the computer and it's running as core #0: 42C  &  core #2: 40C

The critical limit is stated as being max 70C.

There's something called 'load' that is also being monitored. I'm thinking that might be directly related to the core temps, and the PC should be switched off if this 'load' reading gets too high.

If you are concerned, give the case a good clean out. Dust build up can be a problem. Modern CPUs are designed to shut down (lock) to prevent burn-out.

Kytro wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 9:47am:

If you are concerned, give the case a good clean out. Dust build up can be a problem. Modern CPUs are designed to shut down (lock) to prevent burn-out.

Modern CPUs are designed to shut down (lock) to prevent burn-out.[/quote]

Great news. My one great fear has been my house going up in flames.

How can I tell if it has a 'lock' or automatic 'shutdown' component built into it?

The temps now seem to be okay ever since I made the above post.  :-[

Lord Herbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 3:10pm:

Kytro wrote on May 22nd, 2014 at 9:47am: If you are concerned, give the case a good clean out. Dust build up can be a problem. Modern CPUs are designed to shut down (lock) to prevent burn-out. Modern CPUs are designed to shut down (lock) to prevent burn-out. Great news. My one great fear has been my house going up in flames. How can I tell if it has a 'lock' or automatic 'shutdown' component built into it? The temps now seem to be okay ever since I made the above post.  :-[

This is is the Intel page on CPU temps.

I wouldn't worry about the CPU causing a fire, even if it were to overheat it would fizz and die. Seen it happen to an old AMD CPU. The power supply is the riskiest part of a computer for fires.

Kytro wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 4:10pm:

This is is the Intel page on CPU temps. I wouldn't worry about the CPU causing a fire, even if it were to overheat it would fizz and die. Seen it happen to an old AMD CPU. The power supply is the riskiest part of a computer for fires.

Thanks Kytro.

I've had a plug-in speaker to my PC go off 'BANG!' like a fire cracker, with sparks flying and smoke rising right in front of where I'm sitting.

Another time I had an electrical fire start under the kitchen where old wiring corroded away and arced.

Do you and others frequently reboot the PC to let it wipe out stuff not needed, and to refresh things?

Lord Herbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Kytro wrote on May 22nd, 2014 at 4:10pm: This is is the Intel page on CPU temps. I wouldn't worry about the CPU causing a fire, even if it were to overheat it would fizz and die. Seen it happen to an old AMD CPU. The power supply is the riskiest part of a computer for fires. Thanks Kytro. I've had a plug-in speaker to my PC go off 'BANG!' like a fire cracker, with sparks flying and smoke rising right in front of where I'm sitting. Another time I had an electrical fire start under the kitchen where old wiring corroded away and arced. Do you and others frequently reboot the PC to let it wipe out stuff not needed, and to refresh things?

I don't tend to restart my computer unless it's for a reason, such as installation, uninstallation or updates. If you are having problems in terms performance, you can check what is starting up. For windows 7 and older run MSCONFIG for the search / run box and click startup for Windows 8 and above it's in task manager.

CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler).

However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c.

If you want you can:
- Clean the dust out
- Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste
- Add more fans to your case
- Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan

Vuk11 wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:49am:

CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler). However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c. If you want you can: - Clean the dust out - Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste - Add more fans to your case - Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan

Thanks. I can't do a proper job until I get some of that thermal paste.

********

I burnt a DVD just now and the core temp went to 89C. But then I did an 'End Task' of the Firefox browser, and the temp soon went down to 43C or so.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Vuk11 wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 10:49am: CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler). However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c. If you want you can: - Clean the dust out - Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste - Add more fans to your case - Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan Thanks. I can't do a proper job until I get some of that thermal paste. ******** I burnt a DVD just now and the core temp went to 89C. But then I did an 'End Task' of the Firefox browser, and the temp soon went down to 43C or so.

89 degrees is too high - something is wrong.

Maybe the chip doesn't have any thermal paste?

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 6:44am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 3:57pm: Vuk11 wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 10:49am: CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler). However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c. If you want you can: - Clean the dust out - Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste - Add more fans to your case - Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan Thanks. I can't do a proper job until I get some of that thermal paste. ******** I burnt a DVD just now and the core temp went to 89C. But then I did an 'End Task' of the Firefox browser, and the temp soon went down to 43C or so. 89 degrees is too high - something is wrong. Maybe the chip doesn't have any thermal paste?

That damn 'Thermal paste' again. I'd never heard of it until I read it here.

Just a heads-up... that thermal paste is toxic - treat it with care.

And use it sparingly - more paste than needed does not equal better cooling.

Kat wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:42am:

Just a heads-up... that thermal paste is toxic - treat it with care. And use it sparingly - more paste than needed does not equal better cooling.

Thanks. Wilco. Perhaps I can buy it online in a tube or whatever.

Hi

Thermal paste is important but if the processor temp was once fine and the processor has fan has not been removed it should be ok still.

Something basic to look at is if the computer is set vertical the fan should be at the top of the box, hot air rises.

Having the fan at the bottom means that you are sucking out cool air and building up hot air inside the computer. Not always but this can cause a situation where the inside temp keep rising as hot air is made hotter with no escape route.

You can also get additional fans to help with cooling, slot fans front cover fans etc.

May also be worth checking to see if something is running the processor or video flat out all the time. Task manager should be enough to have a quick look.

You could also look at the bios settings for the fans, disabling the bios controls should make the fans run at full speed all the time, not ideal but may be a stop gap measure that is if the fans are controlled via the M/B. Should be 3 wires to the fan if they are, Power +/- and control.

The advice given here has been pretty good.

AMD Processors and this one in particular are known for running hot but this seems a little bit too hot.

Vuk11 wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 10:49am:

CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler). However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c. If you want you can: - Clean the dust out - Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste - Add more fans to your case - Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan

Correct, and another thing to note - intensive tasks like video-converting or gaming will push temps high very quickly.

But once the task is finished, cool-down should be fairly quick too.

If they stay high, there's an issue somewhere.

Mine currently shows 53, 49, 50, 49 at idle (it's an i7 quad-core)

But if I start converting a big video, it soon goes into the high 80s/low 90s.

Good advice Dnar and Gatto and Bobby, et al.

When I bought this PC the computer guy said he had installed an extra large fan.

My temps are now running at around 44 and 45 respectively.

HERE are some people who are not at all happy about the way the thermal paste was applied by child labour in China.  ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:02am:

Good advice Dnar and Gatto and Bobby, et al. When I bought this PC the computer guy said he had installed an extra large fan. My temps are now running at around 44 and 45 respectively. HERE are some people who are not at all happy about the way the thermal paste was applied by child labour in China.  ;D

Thermal paste is dangerous - I would not let children touch it.

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:02am: Good advice Dnar and Gatto and Bobby, et al. When I bought this PC the computer guy said he had installed an extra large fan. My temps are now running at around 44 and 45 respectively. HERE are some people who are not at all happy about the way the thermal paste was applied by child labour in China.  ;D Thermal paste is dangerous - I would not let children touch it.

Apparently it's highly carcinogenic, so no, I wouldn't give it to the kids to play with.

Dnarever wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:02am: Good advice Dnar and Gatto and Bobby, et al. When I bought this PC the computer guy said he had installed an extra large fan. My temps are now running at around 44 and 45 respectively. HERE are some people who are not at all happy about the way the thermal paste was applied by child labour in China.  ;D Thermal paste is dangerous - I would not let children touch it.

False -
thermal paste from the 1980s & before was dangerous but not now.
I would still carefully wash any that got on my hands - off.

You should be able to get some from Jaycar electronics.

They have stores everywhere.

That website I supplied.

You know it's America when they can casually post up pictures of their collection of fire-arms like they were toys.  ;D

Deadly Force

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

False - thermal paste from the 1980s & before was dangerous but not now. I would still carefully wash any that got on my hands - off. You should be able to get some from Jaycar electronics. They have stores everywhere.

I'll try them. I'll be wearing loose plastic gloves like I do when I'm filling up my ink cartridges.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:17am: False - thermal paste from the 1980s & before was dangerous but not now. I would still carefully wash any that got on my hands - off. You should be able to get some from Jaycar electronics. They have stores everywhere. I'll try them. I'll be wearing loose plastic gloves like I do when I'm filling up my ink cartridges.

False - you can't use plastic gloves due to the static electricity that is created.

This is really an electronics technicians job.

Are you sure you know what you're doing?

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 8:24am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:22am: Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:17am: False - thermal paste from the 1980s & before was dangerous but not now. I would still carefully wash any that got on my hands - off. You should be able to get some from Jaycar electronics. They have stores everywhere. I'll try them. I'll be wearing loose plastic gloves like I do when I'm filling up my ink cartridges. False - you can't use plastic gloves due to the static electricity that is created. This is really an electronics technicians job. Are you sure you know what you're doing?

How could you possibly doubt me?  8-)

Of course I'll know what I'm doing. That's half the point of buying a PC so you can access the knowledge that's floating around on the Internet.

link

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/cool_man_zpsd296c987.gif

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:24am: Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:22am: Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 8:17am: False - thermal paste from the 1980s & before was dangerous but not now. I would still carefully wash any that got on my hands - off. You should be able to get some from Jaycar electronics. They have stores everywhere. I'll try them. I'll be wearing loose plastic gloves like I do when I'm filling up my ink cartridges. False - you can't use plastic gloves due to the static electricity that is created. This is really an electronics technicians job. Are you sure you know what you're doing? How could you possibly doubt me?  8-) Of course I'll know what I'm doing. That's half the point of buying a PC so you can access the knowledge that's floating around on the Internet. link http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/cool_man_zpsd296c987.gif

Good article but he has failed to mention static protection.
He is also using a plastic glove  - not recommended.

As you don't have an anti static bench - you can make
a temporary one.

Place layers of aluminum foil on your table.
Connect these via a long wire to a tap on your sink in the kitchen.
This will provide an earth path.
Place the computer on the aluminum foil & use a crocodile clip
to connect to the chassis of your computer.

Make sure that you touch the foil very minute or so to discharge your own static.
Clean off the old paste.
& apply new paste in a smooth thin layer with a jewelers screwdriver.
Don't use gloves.
You shouldn't get any paste on your hands if you're careful.

Some CPUs may have a thermal pad instead of paste.
They are not as good as paste so get rid of it.

It's an easy job & you now have enough information.


cheers
Bobby

Cheers, Bobby.

Whenever I open up my PC to blow the dust out I never worry about static electricity. So far it hasn't caused any troubles.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Cheers, Bobby. Whenever I open up my PC to blow the dust out I never worry about static electricity. So far it hasn't caused any troubles.

so far?

forgiven

namaste

Kat wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

Vuk11 wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 10:49am: CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler). However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c. If you want you can: - Clean the dust out - Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste - Add more fans to your case - Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan Correct, and another thing to note - intensive tasks like video-converting or gaming will push temps high very quickly. But once the task is finished, cool-down should be fairly quick too. If they stay high, there's an issue somewhere. Mine currently shows 53, 49, 50, 49 at idle (it's an i7 quad-core) But if I start converting a big video, it soon goes into the high 80s/low 90s.

a bit of Piracy there kat??  ;)

I usually burn out a video card ever 2 to 3 years... I've just upgraded from a 500 series to a 700 series....  :o

be careful when upgrading components though, if your computer is old it may not have the proper power output for new equipment... as in, not enough...

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 11:19am: Cheers, Bobby. Whenever I open up my PC to blow the dust out I never worry about static electricity. So far it hasn't caused any troubles. so far?

Nine years .....  :P

True Blue... wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Kat wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: [quote author=Vuk11 link=1400669963/9#9 date=1400806166] Correct, and another thing to note - intensive tasks like video-converting or gaming will push temps high very quickly. But once the task is finished, cool-down should be fairly quick too. If they stay high, there's an issue somewhere. Mine currently shows 53, 49, 50, 49 at idle (it's an i7 quad-core) But if I start converting a big video, it soon goes into the high 80s/low 90s. a bit of Piracy there kat??  ;)

Shhhhhhhhh ....  :-[ ;D"He who is without sin ...... "

*****************

Meeeeeanwhile, back at the ranch ... Does anyone know what this is? It's been appearing for the last two days every time I've booted up.

I have no idea what program they're referring to.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/warningmissingfile_zpsb19b6d25.png

Sorry! Forget it. I've just found ... link

Probably needs the Microsoft 2010 C++ Redistributable

64-Bit
32-Bit

Ditto is probably some copy-paste software, as far as I can tell.

Edit: Didn't see your link there,  :P

Kytro wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 9:00am:

Probably needs the Microsoft 2010 C++ Redistributable 64-Bit 32-Bit Ditto is probably some copy-paste software, as far as I can tell. Edit: Didn't see your link there,  :P

The link opens for me.

The advice to System Restore didn't work.

Thanks for your link ~ I'll give it a go.

Note to Herbert:

Stop tinkering. Please!

Stop downloading "free" programs you do not need.

Do not rely on "system restore" to take you back to your pre-tinkering.

Perhaps you should buy a Mac.  I understand ALL the Old Farts have one and never have computer problems.  ;)

Neferti wrote on May 26^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Note to Herbert: Stop tinkering. Please! Stop downloading "free" programs you do not need. Do not rely on "system restore" to take you back to your pre-tinkering. Perhaps you should buy a Mac.  I understand ALL the Old Farts have one and never have computer problems.  ;)

Thanks neferti!  ;D

I've already got two desktop computers. Is Mac a computer or an operating system? Don't answer that. I don't want to know. I'm trying to keep things really simple here.

I bought 'Atomic Alarm Clock'. Chimes every hour.  :) I have to have my toys. Bells and whistles ... otherwise what's it all about, Alfie?

True Blue... wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

Kat wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 7:50am: Vuk11 wrote on May 23rd, 2014 at 10:49am: CPU stock fans are the worst possible fans and are only there to stop the thing bursting into flames, so never expect a great performance there (depending on the chipset of course some run cooler). However 40c idle and 70c under load are totally normal and as mentioned above worry when it hits 90c. If you want you can: - Clean the dust out - Clean off and re-apply thermal compound/paste - Add more fans to your case - Add a CPU cooler/liquid cooling/better CPU fan Correct, and another thing to note - intensive tasks like video-converting or gaming will push temps high very quickly. But once the task is finished, cool-down should be fairly quick too. If they stay high, there's an issue somewhere. Mine currently shows 53, 49, 50, 49 at idle (it's an i7 quad-core) But if I start converting a big video, it soon goes into the high 80s/low 90s. a bit of Piracy there kat??  ;) I usually burn out a video card ever 2 to 3 years... I've just upgraded from a 500 series to a 700 series....  :o be careful when upgrading components though, if your computer is old it may not have the proper power output for new equipment... as in, not enough...

No, mate.

I record the occasional TV show, and the resulting files are very large, so I convert them to a smaller size
and  a more commonly supported format.

Also, my still camera records video at 720p, and the cam-corder at 1080p. Both result in big files, so if I
want to post, say, a train video on one of my train groups, I need to reduce the size considerably.

My low monthly data allowance (8gb) means that I have t reduce the size of my uploads as much as
possible, and also means that any piracy is, to all intents and purposes, virtually impossible.