I started this thread to show that islam is the doctrine of death.

muslims lie incessantly: about the religion of peace, islam is against suicide, is the first issue I'll post

Well every single verse of the qur'an below inspires suicide in the way of allah

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the way of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

qur'an 2.207:  And among men is he who sells himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.

qur'an 3.156: O ye who believe! Be not like the Unbelievers, who say of their brethren, when they are travelling through the Earth or engaged in fighting: "If they had stayed with us, they would not have died, or been slain." This that Allah may make it a cause of sighs and regrets in their hearts. It is Allah that gives Life and Death, and Allah sees well all that ye do.

qur'an 3.157: And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

qur'an 3.158: And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! it is unto Allah that ye are brought together.

qur'an 3.169: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;

qur'an 9.111:  Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on  Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme

qur'an 22.58: Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision

qur'an 47.4:  Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

The hadi'th verses below also show that muhammad expected men to commit suicide.

Bukahari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 54:   
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.

Muslim Book 020, Number 4678:   
It has been reported on the authority of Jabir that a man said: Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed? He replied: In Paradise. The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed

Muslim Book 020, Number 4655:   
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Of the men he lives the best life who holds the reins of his horse (ever ready to march) in the way of Allah, flies on its back whenever he hears a fearful shriek, or a call for help, flies to it seeking death at places where it can be expected. (Next to him) is a man who lives with his sheep at a hill-top or in a valley, says his prayers regularly, gives Zakat and worships his Lord until death comes to him. There is no better person among men except these two.

Muslim Book 020, Number 4681:   
The tradition has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah b. Qais. He heard it from his father who, while facing the enemy, reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords. A man in a shabby condition got up and said; Abu Musa, did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say this? He said: Yes. (The narrator said): He returned to his friends and said: I greet you (a farewell greeting). Then he broke the sheath of his sword, threw it away, advanced with his (naked) sword towards the enemy and fought (them) with it until he was slain.

Continued below

Continuing from above

Muslim Book 020, Number 4635:   
It has been narrated on the authority of Anas b. Malik (through a different chain of transmitters) that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him.



Martyr: One who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty for refusing to renounce their religion.

muslims have bastardised the meaning of the word martyr. They use it to describe a muslim who commits suicide, while trying to kill you for not accepting his religion.

                                     YAWN





                Here we go again, don't you [respected forum members] ever get tired of ranting to each other?  ;D

austranger wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Here we go again, don't you bigots ever get tired of ranting to each other?

Why don't you look up the "present" meaning of "Bigot"? [edit]

austranger wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

YAWN .                 Here we go again, don't you [respected forum members] ever get tired of ranting to each other?  ;D

Christians like moses is just cut that Mohamed on a camel and wearing thongs defeated his people.

For example was battle of badr, Mohammed small in number beat a bigger more equipped army.

And again in another battle of Uhud, Mohamed in his thongs defeated a army 50 times bigger than his.

Battle of the trench.

Mohamed with his 3000 troops overcame a much stronger army of 10,000 men.

The Battle of the Trench (Arabic: غزوة الخندق, translit.: Ghazwah al-Khandaq) also known as the Battle of the Confederates (Arabic: غزوة الاحزاب, translit.: Ghazwah al-Ahzab), was a fortnight-long siege of Yathrib (now Medina) by Arab and Jewish tribes. The strength of the confederate armies is estimated around 10,000 men with six hundred horses and some camels, while the Medinan defenders numbered 3,000. The battle began on March 31, 627.

The largely outnumbered defenders of Medina, mainly Muslims led by Islamic prophet Muhammad, dug a trench, which together with Medina's natural fortifications, rendered the confederate cavalry (consisting of horses and camels) useless, locking the two sides in a stalemate. Hoping to make several attacks at once, the confederates persuaded the Medina-allied Banu Qurayza to attack the city from the south. However, Muhammad's diplomacy derailed the negotiations, and broke up the confederacy against him. The well-organized defenders, the sinking of confederate morale, and poor weather conditions caused the siege to end in a fiasco.

The siege was a "battle of wits", in which the Muslims tactically overcame their opponents while suffering very few casualties. Efforts to defeat the Muslims failed, and Islam became influential in the region. As a consequence, the Muslim army besieged the neighbourhood of the Banu Qurayza tribe, leading to their unconditional surrender.

The defeat caused the Meccans to lose their trade and much of their prestige

Great Scott Superman, are you saying people actually believe these ancient myths and fables?
                                        ;D

muhammad was a coward who did not believe his own lies that allah would protect him, or if he died he would go straight to paradise

The below is from here

There are many places where Muhammad says that he trusts Allah to protect him:

O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord, for if thou do it not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. Allah will protect thee from mankind. Lo! Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. (Quran 5:67, see also 8:30)

Nor can a soul die except by Allah's leave… (Quran 3:145)
He also encourages his men to believe that they will be safe, even to the point of being reckless in battle:
[Auf bin Harith asked] “O Allah’s apostle, what makes Allah laugh with joy at his servant?”  He answered, “When he plunges into the midst of the enemy without mail.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445)

As it turns out, Auf took his advice and did exactly that:
Auf drew off the mail-coat that was on him and threw it away: then he seized his sword and fought the enemy till he was slain. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445)
Auf’s fate at the Battle of Badr must have made an impression on Muhammad because the next time the prophet of Islam went into battle (at Uhud) he was sure to put on two coats of armour beforehand! (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 560)

Other parts of the Battle of Uhud seem to support the idea that Muhammad was having second thoughts about the ability of Allah and his angels to protect him.  He not only planted himself firmly at the rear of his army, but also made sure that he was surrounded by a small group of bodyguards.  This was a strategic decision that actually backfired when the enemy unexpectedly outflanked the Muslims and advanced directly into his area.

Allah’s angels were nowhere to be found, and Muhammad, desperate to save his own skin, began selling paradise to the men around him in exchange for their lives:

It has been reported on the authority of Anas b. Malik that (when the enemy got the upper hand) on the day of the Battle of Uhud, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was left with only seven men from the Ansar and two men from the Quraish. When the enemy advanced towards him and overwhelmed him, he said: Whoso turns them away from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise.  A man from the Ansar came forward and fought (the enemy) until he was killed.  The enemy advanced and overwhelmed him again and he repeated the words: Whoso turns them away, from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise.  A man from the Ansar came forward and fought until he was killed.  This state continued until the seven Ansar were killed (one after the other). Muslim 19:4413)


As the passage relates, seven men stepped forward, one-by-one, to be slain in defense of Muhammad on the promise that they would be his “companion in paradise.”  (None appeared to question why Muhammad himself was so anxious to avoid the wonderful hereafter).

One man named Abu Dujana “made his body a shield for the apostle” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 573). According to the account, his back literally bristled with arrows until he fell over dead.

For his part, Muhammad managed to flee the battle for the safety of a nearby mountain:

“The apostle made for a rock on the mountain to climb it. He had become heavy by reason of his age, and moreover he had put on two coats of mail so when he tried to get up he could not so.  Talha squatted beneath him and lifted him up until he settled comfortably up on it.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 577)

Muhammad was a cowardly bit of gear who lied to get his men to commit suicide, in order that Muhammad would not die

moses wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

muhammad was a coward who did not believe his own lies that allah would protect him, or if he died he would go straight to paradise The below is from here There are many places where Muhammad says that he trusts Allah to protect him: O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord, for if thou do it not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. Allah will protect thee from mankind. Lo! Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. (Quran 5:67, see also 8:30) Nor can a soul die except by Allah's leave… (Quran 3:145) He also encourages his men to believe that they will be safe, even to the point of being reckless in battle: [Auf bin Harith asked] “O Allah’s apostle, what makes Allah laugh with joy at his servant?”  He answered, “When he plunges into the midst of the enemy without mail.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445) As it turns out, Auf took his advice and did exactly that: Auf drew off the mail-coat that was on him and threw it away: then he seized his sword and fought the enemy till he was slain. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 445) Auf’s fate at the Battle of Badr must have made an impression on Muhammad because the next time the prophet of Islam went into battle (at Uhud) he was sure to put on two coats of armour beforehand! (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 560) Other parts of the Battle of Uhud seem to support the idea that Muhammad was having second thoughts about the ability of Allah and his angels to protect him.  He not only planted himself firmly at the rear of his army, but also made sure that he was surrounded by a small group of bodyguards.  This was a strategic decision that actually backfired when the enemy unexpectedly outflanked the Muslims and advanced directly into his area. Allah’s angels were nowhere to be found, and Muhammad, desperate to save his own skin, began selling paradise to the men around him in exchange for their lives: It has been reported on the authority of Anas b. Malik that (when the enemy got the upper hand) on the day of the Battle of Uhud, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) was left with only seven men from the Ansar and two men from the Quraish. When the enemy advanced towards him and overwhelmed him, he said: Whoso turns them away from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise.  A man from the Ansar came forward and fought (the enemy) until he was killed.  The enemy advanced and overwhelmed him again and he repeated the words: Whoso turns them away, from us will attain Paradise or will be my Companion in Paradise.  A man from the Ansar came forward and fought until he was killed.  This state continued until the seven Ansar were killed (one after the other). Muslim 19:4413) As the passage relates, seven men stepped forward, one-by-one, to be slain in defense of Muhammad on the promise that they would be his “companion in paradise.”  (None appeared to question why Muhammad himself was so anxious to avoid the wonderful hereafter). One man named Abu Dujana “made his body a shield for the apostle” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 573). According to the account, his back literally bristled with arrows until he fell over dead. For his part, Muhammad managed to flee the battle for the safety of a nearby mountain: “The apostle made for a rock on the mountain to climb it. He had become heavy by reason of his age, and moreover he had put on two coats of mail so when he tried to get up he could not so.  Talha squatted beneath him and lifted him up until he settled comfortably up on it.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 577) Muhammad was a cowardly bit of gear who lied to get his men to commit suicide, in order that Muhammad would not die

O be quiet loser.

Just admit you lost.

Is to commit murder and to commit mayhem, funny ['ha ha'] ?

Moslems must think that it is!


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"If you call us violent, ......we will kill you!!"



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"








Boko Haram in Sydney are threatening to murder us too.

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THOSE MOSLEMS IN SYDNEY, are in a rage, and they mad at us - well, at people like me !!!!      :)

Coz we infidels have the audacity and the impudence, to have read the Sunna of Mohammed.

How dare we!!!!!        :D

Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.



Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger" = = Mohammed was in the company of these men. "on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women" = = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'. "and we desired them" = = hmmmm, i wonder what that means? "for we were suffering from the absence of our wives" = = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust. "(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them." = = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them. "So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them" = = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

Yadda wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

Boko Haram in Sydney are threatening to murder us too.

EXPLANATION;


Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.





Boko Haram in Sydney are threatening to murder us too.

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Oh look, it's Yadda, the genocide advocate who supports infanticide (as long as it's not done to Christians, obviously)

Want me to show you again that the vast majority of Australian Muslims condemned the riots you so love posting over and over and over again?

At least you stopped lying about what taqqiya means, baby steps

Here is another member of Boko Haram, from Sydney;


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Mohamed Elomar - from Sydney [?]





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Brisbane woman charged for supporting terrorism whilst her Australian husband fights in Syrian civil war as member of a brutal militant group - so extreme it's rejected by Al-Qaeda 19 May 2014     Authorities confirm that her husband is Mohamed Elomar, who left Sydney in November to fight in Syria     He openly declares his loyalty to jihadist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, on a Facebook page

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html



They are all, Boko Haram.

.....or the PFLPPF, or the PLO, ISIS,

Life of Brian - The People's Front of Judea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Oh look, it's Yadda, the genocide advocate who supports infanticide (as long as it's not done to Christians, obviously) Want me to show you again that the vast majority of Australian Muslims condemned the riots you so love posting over and over and over again? At least you stopped lying about what taqqiya means, baby steps

Hi Stratos.         :)

Yes, you say that.

You say that the vast majority of Australian moslems condemned the riots.

gandalf condemns Boko Haram too!!!!!

.....but gandalf can't do a thing about Boko Haram !



THE VERY SAME Boko Haram WHO ARE BRINGING THE NAME OF ISLAM INTO DISREPUTE AROUND THE WORLD!

Why not ?




Stratos,

How does Anjem Choudary explain this moslem inaction, in the face of moslem wrongdoing ???

Hmmmm?

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Stratos wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Oh look, it's Yadda, the genocide advocate who supports infanticide (as long as it's not done to Christians, obviously) Want me to show you again that the vast majority of Australian Muslims condemned the riots you so love posting over and over and over again? At least you stopped lying about what taqqiya means, baby steps

Oh Look, its Stratos who does not believe in the genocide of infants in the bible because he knows that there is no god. Admits that the old testament is a load of fables but wishes to persecute those who believe it true. Want me to show you again what a load of crap you preach.

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

Jews and christians-Ha ha Ha, look at Mohammed and his 20 followers with there donkeys, we will crush them and jesus will rule the world.

Muslims-Ok Muslims, yes we are smaller and weaker in Number, but lets put up a fair fight.

Jews and christians- We will defeat the muslims and make them submit to jesus.

Muslims-Ok boys lets work together and try to beat these jews and christians.

Jews and christians-damn the muslims beat us and we were bigger and more stronger in Number, where was jesus when we needed him.

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

wally1 wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

moses wrote on May 25th, 2014 at 11:44am: I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death. Jews and christians-Ha ha Ha, look at Mohammed and his 20 followers with there donkeys, we will crush them and jesus will rule the world. Muslims-Ok Muslims, yes we are smaller and weaker in Number, but lets put up a fair fight. Jews and christians- We will defeat the muslims and make them submit to jesus. Muslims-Ok boys lets work together and try to beat these jews and christians. Jews and christians-damn the muslims beat us and we were bigger and more stronger in Number, where was jesus when we needed him.

Is this a typical outlook among Muslims?

moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

        ;D Wrong, no-one can be bothered disputing with prejudice, it's a no-brainer, in several senses! ;D

Adamant wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

austranger wrote on May 24th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Here we go again, don't you bigots ever get tired of ranting to each other?    Why don't you look up the "present" meaning of "Bigot"? [edit]

    bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

       Despite someone changing my post I stand by this, it is NOT an insult, merely an accurate definition of what is regularly displayed in these posts. ;)

moses wrote on May 25^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

I see that no one can dispute the fact that suicide is part and parcel of islam the doctrine of death.

Whats the difference between suicde and the drones used by the west killing thousands of innocent civilians?

Wally1 wrote:

Quote:

Whats the difference between suicde and the drones used by the west killing thousands of innocent civilians?

You don't know the difference?

suicide:
1/.The act of killing yourself
2/.A person who kills himself intentionally

killing:
The act of terminating a life

Another verse from the qur'an promoting death as the islamic religious way of life

qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

Once again the doctrine of death rears it's ugly head in islamic teachings
It's plain and simple, if you want to punish your wife for lewdness you simply kill her.

Honour killings of muslim wives and daughters is sanctioned in islam

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Another verse from the qur'an promoting death as the islamic religious way of life qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” Once again the doctrine of death rears it's ugly head in islamic teachings It's plain and simple, if you want to punish your wife for lewdness you simply kill her. Honour killings of muslim wives and daughters is sanctioned in islam

The above relates to a women who commits adultery.

Sam poo in your bible to,



Leviticus 20:10 s

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.



Revelation 2:22

Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

The punishment for adultery is death by stoning. I've never heard of this death by starvation for lewdness thing before. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Being the wife, she is going to know where the kitchen is, so confining her to the house until she starves might take a while. And what are you going to eat in the meantime? Is she supposed to cook for you while she is starving to death?

Also, many progressive Muslims (not naming any names) insist that death for adultery is not in the Koran. Are they lying?

Yes they are lying as usual Freediver, I believe the verse is telling muslims to simply lock her up (Confine her) deprive her of everything, after you have to do it till she dies of starvation.

It's an automatic next step to the honour killings saga of muslims

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

until death [by starvation] claims them.”

;D ;D

Wally! wrote:
Quote:

The above relates to a women who commits adultery. Sam poo in your bible to, Leviticus 20:10 s “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

The Old Testament verses are a narrative of the covenant between YHWH and the Israelites, there was not one single Christian on the earth in those days

Now to get to Christians, first you have been entirely dishonest by quoting the Old Testament.

I direct you to the Christian verses which clearly state that O.T. Law is finished and no longer the criteria for Christians:

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

The above plainly says the Law finished at the time of John

Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

The above all plainly state that man cannot justify themselves by the Law

Why were you so dishonest Wally?

Now to get to the Revelations verse you quoted, it certainly says absolutely nothing about death being inflicted.

It also contains the words unless they repent of her works,

You see the Christian principle of repentance has been applied to this verse

Again very dishonest of you Wally


However to show you the difference between Christian and muslim teaching I quote the following:



Bible:
Quote:

John 8:3  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, John 8:4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. John 8:5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? Joh 8:6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. John 8:7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her

Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

Then we have:
qur'an:
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qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

allah / muhammad symbolize forced prostitution / rape and death.

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Wally! wrote: Quote: The above relates to a women who commits adultery. Sam poo in your bible to, Leviticus 20:10 s “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. The Old Testament verses are a narrative of the covenant between YHWH and the Israelites, there was not one single Christian on the earth in those days Now to get to Christians, first you have been entirely dishonest by quoting the Old Testament. I direct you to the Christian verses which clearly state that O.T. Law is finished and no longer the criteria for Christians: Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it. The above plainly says the Law finished at the time of John Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. The above all plainly state that man cannot justify themselves by the Law Why were you so dishonest Wally? Now to get to the Revelations verse you quoted, it certainly says absolutely nothing about death being inflicted. It also contains the words unless they repent of her works, You see the Christian principle of repentance has been applied to this verse Again very dishonest of you Wally However to show you the difference between Christian and muslim teaching I quote the following: Bible:[quote] John 8:3  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, John 8:4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. John 8:5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? Joh 8:6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. John 8:7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her

Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

Then we have:
qur'an:
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qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

allah / muhammad symbolize forced prostitution / rape and death.[/quote]

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Just shows 100% of Christians where evil sinners.

Thanks moses.

There's not a man alive that is perfect.

muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam)

islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets.

muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

There's not a man alive that is perfect. muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam) islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets. muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

You make the christian religion sound silly.

First you say That God punished the fornicators and adulterers, then God turns around and changes his mind around and says there is no punishment and that he forgives people that  commit adultery?

wally1 wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

moses wrote on May 27th, 2014 at 2:27pm: There's not a man alive that is perfect. muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam) islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets. muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today. You make the christian religion sound silly. First you say That God punished the fornicators and adulterers, then God turns around and changes his mind around and says there is no punishment and that he forgives people that  commit adultery?

Yes that's because he sent His only Son into to world to pay the price for them all because He loved them so much. The wages of sin was death and only His sinless Son could pay the prices out of love for everyone. So anyone who accepts the free pardon provided by His Son has his sins forgiven. That is the whole message of Christianity.

Islam has no parallel nor concept as it just says everyone else got it wrong whilst trying to ride of their backs to try and make the concept of Islam legit which clearly it was just one warlords message to pillage and plunder. The Quaran wasn't even around when he existed as claimed. Claiming to be an Abrahamic religion descending from Ishmael is a joke. They would have been better off making up an entire new God rather than try and draw from someone elses. The God of Abraham said He would have a Son. Islamic allah said he would never have a son. So Islam is not Abrahamic at all. It is a cult.

moses wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

There's not a man alive that is perfect. muhammad was a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer, he turned these atrocities into a cult (islam) islam is the doctrine of death in a large portion of it's tenets. muslims cannot accept responsibility for their faults, failings and the cult that is the root cause of atrocities they commit today.

True, but he created a law that justifies himself and all of these deeds.

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

True, but he created a law that justifies himself and all of these deeds

Oh dear FD you seem to have fallen into the godless trap! Mo did not create anything. ALLAH gave him divine inspiration.

His Asperger's syndrome attests to this.


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In other words Kill would be a repetitive. Camel jockeying would be difficult, Interests would be restricted to thievery buggery stealing rape and beheading.

Please FD for bugger'S sake learn your Koran.
   

Apostates have a very rough time under the doctrine of death

qur'an: 4.88 -  What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

Quiet clearly states that allah causes men to err and muslims must in no way help someone that allah causes to err

qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

So allah causes someone to err, it is the duty of muslims to kill him

From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith.  According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?'  Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.'  Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.'  Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

(Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed."  (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

All of the above are teachings for muslims to murder innocent people (apostates), even kids who have reached puberty

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(Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed."  (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

I remember recently one of the Muslims here was grasping for examples of Islam using puberty as a marker for coming of age. This was in the context of pedophilia. They gave the example of an orphan being entitled to their inheritance at this time. Not a great example. This one would have been better.