Gandalf do you believe that Halal slaughter is "Humane" or purely ritualistic slaughter in the name of a sick and perverse bedouin?

For instance, should you set fire to a donkey before you kill it "Humanely"

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/jihadis-display-power-of-islam-on-donkey-victims/

Is it Halal to stab a beast in the eye Before you hack its head off?

Gaza cattle torture 'worst case of animal cruelty' in history.

Do you think the pictures/ film is taken "out of context".

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.563151

Maybe Government could pass laws so that a 2% minority are able to inflict it on the rest of Australian society whilst muslims get their rocks off on this despicable form of depravity?

Yes no surprises there. More lies from the islam cult obviously.

The love of islam , and these nuts think we run around with out eyes closed.

Sick mothers.

Adamant wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Gandalf do you believe that Halal slaughter is "Humane" or purely ritualistic slaughter in the name of a sick and perverse bedouin? For instance, should you set fire to a donkey before you kill it "Humanely" http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/jihadis-display-power-of-islam-on-donkey-victims/ Is it Halal to stab a beast in the eye Before you hack its head off? Gaza cattle torture 'worst case of animal cruelty' in history. Do you think the pictures/ film is taken "out of context". http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.563151 Maybe Government could pass laws so that a 2% minority are able to inflict it on the rest of Australian society whilst muslims get their rocks off on this despicable form of depravity?

Lets go back say 2000 years adamant, how do you think we should have slaughtered animals to eat?

No stun guns, or abbotiors then for example.

wally1 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Adamant wrote on Jun 11th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Gandalf do you believe that Halal slaughter is "Humane" or purely ritualistic slaughter in the name of a sick and perverse bedouin? For instance, should you set fire to a donkey before you kill it "Humanely" http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/jihadis-display-power-of-islam-on-donkey-victims/ Is it Halal to stab a beast in the eye Before you hack its head off? Gaza cattle torture 'worst case of animal cruelty' in history. Do you think the pictures/ film is taken "out of context". http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.563151 Maybe Government could pass laws so that a 2% minority are able to inflict it on the rest of Australian society whilst muslims get their rocks off on this despicable form of depravity? Lets go back say 2000 years adamant, how do you think we should have slaughtered animals to eat? No stun guns, or abbotiors then for example.

Adamant's going to tell you it's not 2000 years ago, and we have the technology to kill animals mercifully.

Adamant's going to tell you this is the very problem with Islam: the inability to adapt to the modern world, even when such adaptation supports the entire point of the Halal slaughter method and the minimization of cruelty.

Adamant's going to tell you that such cruelty as described above is unbelievably barbaric and completely unnecessary.

What Adamant won't tell you, however, is that such slaughter methods are illegal in Australia, no matter what your religion is. And no Muslims are campaigning to introduce crueler slaughter methods, using Halal techniques or not.

Adamant will also ignore the fact that local law trumps any form of Muslim law or dietry edicts. The Koran instructs Muslims to obey the law of the land and eat non-Halal food when Halal is not available.

Not that most Muslims are strict with Halal food, just as few Jews are religious with Kosher products. Mind you, pork is not too popular among the Muslims and Jews I've known.

gee K - I think you give adamant way too much credit.

Karnal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

wally1 wrote on Jun 12th, 2014 at 2:49pm: Adamant wrote on Jun 11th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Gandalf do you believe that Halal slaughter is "Humane" or purely ritualistic slaughter in the name of a sick and perverse bedouin? For instance, should you set fire to a donkey before you kill it "Humanely" http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/jihadis-display-power-of-islam-on-donkey-victims/ Is it Halal to stab a beast in the eye Before you hack its head off? Gaza cattle torture 'worst case of animal cruelty' in history. Do you think the pictures/ film is taken "out of context". http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.563151 Maybe Government could pass laws so that a 2% minority are able to inflict it on the rest of Australian society whilst muslims get their rocks off on this despicable form of depravity? Lets go back say 2000 years adamant, how do you think we should have slaughtered animals to eat? No stun guns, or abbotiors then for example. Adamant's going to tell you it's not 2000 years ago, and we have the technology to kill animals mercifully. Adamant's going to tell you this is the very problem with Islam: the inability to adapt to the modern world, even when such adaptation supports the entire point of the Halal slaughter method and the minimization of cruelty. Adamant's going to tell you that such cruelty as described above is unbelievably barbaric and completely unnecessary. What Adamant won't tell you, however, is that such slaughter methods are illegal in Australia, no matter what your religion is. And no Muslims are campaigning to introduce crueler slaughter methods, using Halal techniques or not. Adamant will also ignore the fact that local law trumps any form of Muslim law or dietry edicts. The Koran instructs Muslims to obey the law of the land and eat non-Halal food when Halal is not available. Not that most Muslims are strict with Halal food, just as few Jews are religious with Kosher products. Mind you, pork is not too popular among the Muslims and Jews I've known.

I know most of the people here are anti throat slaughtering of animals but some for the techniques used these days could be classified as inhumane.

For example you got the percussion stunning where you shoot a bolt into the animals brain which concusses the animal and cause raised intracranial bleeding.

Isnt that inhuman?

Then you got electric stunning, im sure no animal would want to die a painful death with its body shaking and body trembling, and the animal struggling to stay alive.

There are many horror stories about chicken abbattoirs.

They hang them upside down and dunk their heads in the electrified water. This supposedly stuns them before they kill them. However countless numbers either lift their heads so they don't get electricuted, or are not stunned by the water. For these chickens, since they are still conscious, they flap around as they pass through an automatic throat cutter. Consequently, they are horribly mamed by the blade, and sometimes not killed - and those who are not, are still conscious when they are thrown into the scalding water for defeathering

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

There are many horror stories about chicken abbattoirs. They hang them upside down and dunk their heads in the electrified water. This supposedly stuns them before they kill them. However countless numbers either lift their heads so they don't get electricuted, or are not stunned by the water. For these chickens, since they are still conscious, they flap around as they pass through an automatic throat cutter. Consequently, they are horribly mamed by the blade, and sometimes not killed - and those who are not, are still conscious when they are thrown into the scalding water for defeathering

Exactly. No matter how you look at it, ALL meat production is inhumane.

I'm a vegetarian, but I tolerate meat-eaters rather than calling for them to be banned or refused entry to Australia.

Spineless apologetics, innit.

wally1 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 12th, 2014 at 3:22pm: wally1 wrote on Jun 12th, 2014 at 2:49pm: Adamant wrote on Jun 11th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Gandalf do you believe that Halal slaughter is "Humane" or purely ritualistic slaughter in the name of a sick and perverse bedouin? For instance, should you set fire to a donkey before you kill it "Humanely" http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/jihadis-display-power-of-islam-on-donkey-victims/ Is it Halal to stab a beast in the eye Before you hack its head off? Gaza cattle torture 'worst case of animal cruelty' in history. Do you think the pictures/ film is taken "out of context". http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.563151 Maybe Government could pass laws so that a 2% minority are able to inflict it on the rest of Australian society whilst muslims get their rocks off on this despicable form of depravity? Lets go back say 2000 years adamant, how do you think we should have slaughtered animals to eat? No stun guns, or abbotiors then for example. Adamant's going to tell you it's not 2000 years ago, and we have the technology to kill animals mercifully. Adamant's going to tell you this is the very problem with Islam: the inability to adapt to the modern world, even when such adaptation supports the entire point of the Halal slaughter method and the minimization of cruelty. Adamant's going to tell you that such cruelty as described above is unbelievably barbaric and completely unnecessary. What Adamant won't tell you, however, is that such slaughter methods are illegal in Australia, no matter what your religion is. And no Muslims are campaigning to introduce crueler slaughter methods, using Halal techniques or not. Adamant will also ignore the fact that local law trumps any form of Muslim law or dietry edicts. The Koran instructs Muslims to obey the law of the land and eat non-Halal food when Halal is not available. Not that most Muslims are strict with Halal food, just as few Jews are religious with Kosher products. Mind you, pork is not too popular among the Muslims and Jews I've known. I know most of the people here are anti throat slaughtering of animals but some for the techniques used these days could be classified as inhumane. For example you got the percussion stunning where you shoot a bolt into the animals brain which concusses the animal and cause raised intracranial bleeding. Isnt that inhuman? Then you got electric stunning, im sure no animal would want to die a painful death with its body shaking and body trembling, and the animal struggling to stay alive.

True. I imagine the bolt technique is the most painless, but who knows?

A number of Australian abatoirs have been closed down for cruelty. That, however, is the difference between our superior white slaughter standards and the developing world. It might not be much comfort for the animals themselves, but we actually have standards.

The Chinese are amazingly cruel. Skinning a snake alive and taking out its gall bladder is unbelievable. All this, just to get twenty dollars worth of snake blood to supposedly give you a harder hard-on.

The introduction of a beef diet to China is one of the biggest threats to food security and global warming. I'm not sure of their slaughter standards, but just to be on the safe side, I blame Islam.

Well done Gandalf, no answer as usual, barring your tame turd charmer!

answer what adamant?

You didn't exactly frame the OP as if you wanted a serious response.

Karnal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

What Adamant won't tell you, however, is that such slaughter methods are illegal in Australia, no matter what your religion is. And no Muslims are campaigning to introduce crueler slaughter methods, using Halal techniques or not. Adamant will also ignore the fact that local law trumps any form of Muslim law or dietry edicts. The Koran instructs Muslims to obey the law of the land and eat non-Halal food when Halal is not available. Not that most Muslims are strict with Halal food, just as few Jews are religious with Kosher products. Mind you, pork is not too popular among the Muslims and Jews I've known.

Hi Karnal / Gandalf

The way I read that post is that you are to eat non-halal food when halal isn't available. Sounds sensible to me. Now, as far as what makes meat halal, are any of the methods  Adamant speaks of mentioned in the Koran? What does it say about preparing food to be halal?

BlindFreddy wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

What does it say about preparing food to be halal?

It is very clear from both the quran and ahadith about the purpose of halal slaughter in terms of humaneness:


Quote:

Forbidden to you are Maytah (carrion or dead animal, animal not slaughtered with Tasmiyah i.e. reciting 'Bismillahi Allahu Akbar', flowing blood, the flesh of swine, and that slaughter on which was invoked name other than Allah, as well as the (animal) killed by strangulation or beaten to death with violent blow or falling (from a height) to its death or gored to death (through fighting) or by falling to a predator (and about to be consumed) -- unless you are able to slaughter in the name of Allah (swt) and carry out the sacrifice before it dies)…. (5:3)

and of the specific method of slaughter:


Quote:

“If the killing tool causes the blood to gush out, and the name of Allah is mentioned, then eat (of the slaughtered animal), but do not use a nail (claw) or a tooth.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)

Quote:

“Whatever cuts the jugular veins, then (after cutting it) eat the animal.” (Muwatta of Imam Malik, 2/489)

Quote:

“The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) prohibited the Sharita of Shaytan. It is an animal which is slaughtered by cutting it open and the veins are not cut, and it is then left to die.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

From the various ahadith we see a clear commonality: the throat must be cut with a very sharp instrument, must severe the jugular vein, and must cause the blood to "gush". Recent studies have demonstrated that cutting the jugular vein with a proper incision using a sharp blade so as to cause a rapid flow of blood, results in a very rapid loss of consciousness and a relatively humane death.

We then see how the quranic verse quoted above fits into this theme: comsumption of animals that have been beaten, strangled, dropped from a great height etc is forbidden. This makes sense from an animal welfare point of view, as all these sorts of deaths are cruel and painful. Islam is making it very clear that the only meat available for lawful consumption, is that which has been humanely slaughtered.

And to answer adamant - yes the cruel hypocricy of some muslim slaughterers is no surprise and no revelation.

Quote:

Recent studies have demonstrated that cutting the jugular vein with a proper incision using a sharp blade so as to cause a rapid flow of blood, results in a very rapid loss of consciousness and a relatively humane death.

Let me guess, a Saudi University? The same one doing the camel urine studies?

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

The same one doing the camel urine studies?

Say what?!


polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

clear commonality: the throat must be cut with a very sharp instrument, must severe the jugular vein, and must cause the blood to "gush".

Thank you for your answer.


polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

And to answer adamant - yes the cruel hypocricy of some muslim slaughterers is no surprise and no revelation.

And thanks for not dancing about the issue. Yes, the same could be said for some people, whatever their religious persuasion.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Let me guess, a Saudi University? The same one doing the camel urine studies?

Probably  :P

The original Schultz study (translated from the original German) which made the rather bold claim that animals feel no pain.

In light of evidence from subsequent studies, I wouldn't go so far. However ECG monitoring indicates that the animal loses all sense of pain in a matter of seconds.

Here's a good overview of the evidence in favour of non-stunning kosher slaughter (which has no meaningful difference to halal slaughter):
http://www.shechitauk.org/uploads/tx_resources/Physiological_insights_into_Shechita__S.D.Rosen__Veterinary_Record_2004_01.pdf

All that being said, stunning is not incompatible with halal slaughter - indeed all Australian halal slaughter must use pre-stunning. And in an ideal world, proper stunning should be performed. However the reality of our current industrialised slaughterhouses is that we simply don't practice anything close to humane stunning - whether its because of the priority placed on profits rather than animal welfare, or we don't have the right technology. Chickens are the worst, as I mentioned earlier in this thread - it is absolutely horrific. So in view of this, its probably not true to say that proper halal slaughter - even without stunning and accounting for a few seconds of pain - is less humane than the current industrialised slaughterhouses-of-horror.

Let me get this straight - you're arguing for horrific slaughter methods for chickens because your sinister prophet has ordered you inflict pain and suffering on innocent animals.

Thanks for that. This is entirely consistent with your method of killing humans, so it should come as no surprise to those of us who know all about your so-called religion of "peace".

No wonder it took you so long to answer a simple question. You were holding off, waiting for the press release from the Grand Mufti to dish up to non-Moslems.

No need to play that game with us. We know all about Taqqiya, you know.

I was about to ban myself from this pagan board until I read this. From a turd burglar too, who would have thought?




Karnal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Let me get this straight - you're arguing for horrific slaughter methods for chickens because your sinister prophet has ordered you inflict pain and suffering on innocent animals. Thanks for that. This is entirely consistent with your method of killing humans, so it should come as no surprise to those of us who know all about your so-called religion of "peace". No wonder it took you so long to answer a simple question. You were holding off, waiting for the press release from the Grand Mufti to dish up to non-Moslems. No need to play that game with us. We know all about Taqqiya, you know.

BlindFreddy wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 12:36pm: The same one doing the camel urine studies? Say what?! polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 11:54am: clear commonality: the throat must be cut with a very sharp instrument, must severe the jugular vein, and must cause the blood to "gush". Thank you for your answer. polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 11:54am: And to answer adamant - yes the cruel hypocricy of some muslim slaughterers is no surprise and no revelation. And thanks for not dancing about the issue. Yes, the same could be said for some people, whatever their religious persuasion.

The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine. There are universities in the middle east where Muslim academics work diligently to prove that it has genuine medicinal value. It's a bit like Gandalf trying to argue that the context makes cutting an animals throat more human than stunning.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine.

Serious question here FD - do you think there is there a single thread here where you haven't invented something about muslims or their scriptures? is it really too much to ask to just get some of the basic facts right?

Karnal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Let me get this straight - you're arguing for horrific slaughter methods for chickens because your sinister prophet has ordered you inflict pain and suffering on innocent animals. Thanks for that. This is entirely consistent with your method of killing humans, so it should come as no surprise to those of us who know all about your so-called religion of "peace". No wonder it took you so long to answer a simple question. You were holding off, waiting for the press release from the Grand Mufti to dish up to non-Moslems. No need to play that game with us. We know all about Taqqiya, you know.

Well he is sunni and attends a sunni mosque so no surprises on the violence front.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

It's a bit like Gandalf trying to argue that the context makes cutting an animals throat more human than stunning.

No deary, I didn't say anything about context. Please get a grasp of what I said:


polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

in an ideal world, proper stunning should be performed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

However the reality of our current industrialised slaughterhouses is that we simply don't practice anything close to humane stunning - whether its because of the priority placed on profits rather than animal welfare, or we don't have the right technology.

There is more than enough evidence collected from animals rights groups to safely conclude that the current procedures, including stunning, is not ideal from a humanitarian perspective. Especially for chickens. And yet, here I am still calling for stunning prior to slaughter - just not half-arsed stunning.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine.

wait, let me guess - Abu told you right?

http://nationalyemen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/camwl.jpg

Free drinks on Fridays.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 7:47pm: The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine. wait, let me guess - Abu told you right?

Forget who it was, but they quoted scripture (seeing as we otherwise wouldn't believe such nonsense).


Quote:

No deary, I didn't say anything about context. Please get a grasp of what I said:

Quote:

So in view of this, its probably not true to say that proper halal slaughter - even without stunning and accounting for a few seconds of pain - is less humane than the current industrialised slaughterhouses-of-horror.

Quote:

There is more than enough evidence collected from animals rights groups to safely conclude that the current procedures, including stunning, is not ideal from a humanitarian perspective. Especially for chickens. And yet, here I am still calling for stunning prior to slaughter - just not half-arsed stunning.

You also argued that the context makes cutting an animals throat more human than stunning

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 7:47pm: The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine. Serious question here FD - do you think there is there a single thread here where you haven't invented something about muslims or their scriptures? is it really too much to ask to just get some of the basic facts right?

Now you’re trying to censor free and fair debate.

You people are unbelievable.

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 8:14pm: freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 7:47pm: The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine. wait, let me guess - Abu told you right? Forget who it was, but they quoted scripture (seeing as we otherwise wouldn't believe such nonsense).

Dunno but a quick google found this,

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671).

http://islamqa.info/en/83423

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

BlindFreddy wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 1:02pm: freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 12:36pm: The same one doing the camel urine studies? Say what?! polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 11:54am: clear commonality: the throat must be cut with a very sharp instrument, must severe the jugular vein, and must cause the blood to "gush". Thank you for your answer. polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 11:54am: And to answer adamant - yes the cruel hypocricy of some muslim slaughterers is no surprise and no revelation. And thanks for not dancing about the issue. Yes, the same could be said for some people, whatever their religious persuasion. The Koran promotes the consumption of camel urine.

Gandhi promoted the drinking of cow urine. He also consumed his own.

I blame the tinted races. Correlation not causation, innit.

And Allaah knows best.

http://islamqa.info/en/83423

The benefits of drinking camel urine
ar
I hope that you can provide me with a scientific answer – if such knowledge is available – about the saheeh hadeeth about drinking camel’s urine. May Allaah reward you.

Praise be to Allaah.

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671).

With regard to the health benefits of drinking the milk and urine of camels, they are many, and they are well known to the earlier generations of medical science and they have been proven by modern scientific research.

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

The author of al-Qanoon (the Canon) – i.e. the doctor Ibn Seena (Avicenna) – said:

The most beneficial of urine is the urine of Bedouin camels which are called najeeb. End quote.

Zaad al-Ma’aad (4/47, 48).

In the Emirati newspaper al-Ittihaad (issue no. 11172, Sunday 6 Muharram 1427 AH/5 February 2006) it says:

One of the most important things for which camels are raised is their milk, which is efficacious in treating many illnesses, including hepatitis, and the digestive system in general, various types of cancer and other diseases.

In an article by Dr Ahlaam al-‘Awadi, which was published in al-Da’wah magazine, issue no. 1938, 25 Safar 1425 AH/15 April 2004 CE, about the diseases which can be treated with camel’s milk, as proven by experience, it says that there are many benefits in camel’s milk. There follows some of what was said in the article by Dr. Ahlaam:

Camel’s urine is efficacious in the treatment of skin diseases such as ringworm, tinea and abscesses, sores that may appear on the body and hair, and dry and wet ulcers. Camel’s urine brings the secondary benefits of making the hair lustrous and thick, and removing dandruff from the scalp. Camel’s milk is also beneficial in treating hepatitis, even if it has reached an advanced stage where medicine is unable to treat it. End quote.

In the al-Jazeerah al-Sa’oodiyyah newspaper (issue no. 10132, Rabee’ al-Awwal 1421 AH) there is a quotation from the book Al-Ibl Asraar wa i’jaaz (The camel: secrets and wonders) by Darmaan ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal Darmaan and Sanad ibn Mutlaq al-Subay’i:

As for camel’s urine, the book suggests that it has numerous uses which are beneficial for man. This is indicated by the Prophetic texts and confirmed by modern science … Scientific experiments have proven that camel’s urine has a lethal effect on the germs that cause many diseases.

Among the uses of camel’s urine, many women use it to wash their hair, to make it longer, and to make it lighter and more lustrous. Camel’s urine is also efficacious in the treatment of swelling of the liver and other diseases such as abscesses, sores that appear on the body and toothache, and for washing eyes. End quote.

Prof. Dr. ‘Abd al-Fattaah Mahmoud Idrees says: With regard to the benefits of camel’s urine in treating disease, Ibn Seena said in his Qanoon: The most beneficial of urine is the urine of the Bedouin camels known as najeeb. Camel’s urine is beneficial in treating al-hazaaz, and it was said that al-hazzaz is a pain in the heart caused by anger and so on. Camel’s urine, especially the urine of a young she-camel – is used as a cleansing substance to wash wounds and sores, to make the hair grow, to strengthen and thicken it and to prevent it falling out, and it is used to treat diseases of the scalp and dandruff. In a Master’s thesis by an engineer in applied chemistry, Muhammad Awhaaj Muhammad, that was submitted to the faculty of applied chemistry in the al-Jazeerah university in Sudan, and approved by the Dean of science and postgraduate studies in the university in November 1998 CE, entitled A Study of the Chemical Composition and Some Medical Uses of the Urine of Arabian Camels, Muhammad Awhaaj says:

Laboratory tests indicate that camel’s urine contains high levels of potassium, albuminous proteins, and small amounts of uric acid, sodium and creatine.

In this study, he explained that what prompted him to study the medicinal properties of camel’s urine was what he had seen of some tribesmen drinking this urine whenever they suffered digestion problems. He sought the help of some doctors in studying camel’s urine. They brought a number of patients and prescribed this urine for them, for a period of two months. Their bodies recovered from what they had been suffering from, which proves the efficacy of camel’s urine in treating some diseases of the digestive system.

It also proves that this urine is useful in preventing hair loss. He says:

Camel’s urine acts as a slow-acting diuretic, but it does not deplete potassium and other salts as other diuretics do, because camel’s urine contains a high level of potassium and proteins. It has also been proven to be effective against some types of bacteria and viruses. It brought about an improvement in the condition of twenty-five patients who used camel’s urine for dropsy, without disrupting their potassium levels. Two of them

I blame mental retardation through inbreeding for nutters drinking animal piss.

Karnal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 8:47pm:

Gandhi promoted the drinking of cow urine. He also consumed his own.

LOL, You should keep your powder dry.  Who knows,  camel  urine MIGHT be proven to be a panacea. 

But you sensing something negative went into distraction mode and started pointing elsewhere.

it's pretty well automatic with you innit.   ::)

Good FD, so we're clear now that the quran does not in fact promote camel urine drinking?


freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

You also argued that the context makes cutting an animals throat more human [sic] than stunning

I said stunning done properly, as its intended to be done, is preferable to throat cutting without stunning.

Thats the fundamental point here.

However i also said that it is clear that under our current system - and thanks to the evidence provided by animal rights activists with hidden cameras and so forth - stunning in our abattoirs is nowhere near as adequate as it should be, and results in enormous suffering. Which led me to the statement that proper halal slaughter, would probably be more humane that what we do now. Though I hasten to add that improper halal slaughter is rampant in the muslim world, and results in terrible suffering too. But just so we're clear, again, the best scenario is to use stunning that is done properly.

Don’t try and deny what you said. We have FD quoting what you said in black and white. You can’t squirm your way out of this one, you know.

We’ve got FD’s own words summing you up.

Not to mention commonsense and historical facts.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Not to mention commonsense and historical facts.

That’s right. We know all.about history too. Just ask FD.

And if you want a Koran quote, Sprint’s your man.

Matty, you can be in charge of common sense.

Ah yes the Royal we.

I don't need a Quaran quote and commonsense is in charge of itself.

Something you may come to understand one day.

Hope so, Matty. We hope so.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

I blame mental retardation through inbreeding for nutters drinking animal piss.

Me too. They’ve definitely tampered with the water supply in FD’s parts.

The retardation levels are through the roof.

Karnal wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 2:14am:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 8:49pm: I blame mental retardation through inbreeding for nutters drinking animal piss. Me too. They’ve definitely tampered with the water supply in FD’s parts. The retardation levels are through the roof.

Seems it only effects females, strange that might have something to do with the stools you are consumed by.

Adamant wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 6:21am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 2:14am: Mattywisk wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 8:49pm: I blame mental retardation through inbreeding for nutters drinking animal piss. Me too. They’ve definitely tampered with the water supply in FD’s parts. The retardation levels are through the roof. Seems it only effects females, strange that might have something to do with the stools you are consumed by.

We blame Islam.

Karnal wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

We blame Islam.

So do I.http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-toddler-survives-slaughter-attempt-by-her-brother-1.1347382

Adamant wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 1:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 9:53am: We blame Islam. So do I.http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-toddler-survives-slaughter-attempt-by-her-brother-1.1347382

Slaughter? What a load of crap. That toddler's an imam. He was giving her a circumcision.

Karnal wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 3:16pm:

Adamant wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 1:13pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 9:53am: We blame Islam. So do I.http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-toddler-survives-slaughter-attempt-by-her-brother-1.1347382 Slaughter? What a load of crap. That toddler's an imam. He was giving her a circumcision.

Of the throat?

Adamant wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 3:16pm: Adamant wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 1:13pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2014 at 9:53am: We blame Islam. So do I.http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-toddler-survives-slaughter-attempt-by-her-brother-1.1347382 Slaughter? What a load of crap. That toddler's an imam. He was giving her a circumcision. Of the throat?

He hadn't got around to studying anatomy. What do you want me to say? The kid's 3.

personal attack removed

Karnal wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

He hadn't got around to studying anatomy. What do you want me to say? The kid's 3.

Eff all would have spoke volumes!

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Karnal wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 2:14am:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 8:49pm: I blame mental retardation through inbreeding for nutters drinking animal piss. Me too. They’ve definitely tampered with the water supply in FD’s parts. The retardation levels are through the roof.

Can't help that being endorsed by Pislam  ;D

All discourse related to matty's personal insult has been deleted.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

All discourse related to matty's personal insult has been deleted.

What the bugger did you post Matty? It must have been pretty unctuous to get a reprimand from "GOD" himself?

Please send a PM to me so I can delight in its revelations.

You must remember that all gods are good some more gooder than others!