A largely forgotten or ignored history of Terrorism in the 20th century is that of Jewish Terrorism.

Generally, Jewish Terrorism falls into two categories which overlap.  Judiasm inspired, religious Terrorism and Zionist inspired Terrorism.

The first, relies upon Judiasm for it's inspiration.   The second, which overlaps the first relies upon Zionism for it's inspiration.

Both have had their peaks and troughs over the last 60+ years.  In the late 1940s, there was a widespread bombing campaign conducted both in Palestine and western Europe which was intended to try and influence public opinion over the creation of the modern state of Israel.  Then there was the state conducted Terrorism surrounding the 1967 Six Day War, where Israeli soldiers went door to door, telling Palestinian people to leave their homes and flee. After the Six Day war, Israel waged a comprehensive letter bomb campaign against those who opposed it's rule of the Occupied Territories. Then there has been Terrorism of the Israeli settlers which has been conducted against the Palestinians.

All fit the modern, FBI inspired definition of Terrorism:

Quote:

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:     Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;     Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;

[url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition]Source[/url]

So, if an Israeli colonist threatens and intimidates a Palestinian, why isn't Israel condemned for failure to bring that colonist to answer before the law?

Wow about 4 counts of what you call terrorism there. It must be lets pick on Israel day.

I guess its largely forgotten because Islam has held the terrorism world record now for many years. Lets take a look why people forget other one off here and there terrorism. It's like finding a needle in a haystack compared to Islam.

Date      Country      City      Killed      Injured      Description
2014.06.19      Philippines      Jolo      7      13      Abu Sayyaf fundamentalists ambush and slaughter seven local soldiers.
2014.06.19      Pakistan      Peshawar      3      6      Three people bleed to death following a Shahid suicide bombing at a family home.
2014.06.18      Somalia      Mogadishu      2      0      Islamists plant a bomb in a doctor's car, killing him and a nurse.
2014.06.17      Kenya      Poromoko      15      12      Islamists burn down a neighborhood, kill fifteen residents and abduct a dozen women.
2014.06.17      Iraq      Sadr City      12      30      A dozen innocents at a packed market are disassembled by Sunni bombers.
2014.06.17      Nigeria      Damaturu      24      21      A suicide bomber praises Allah before self-detonating at a World Cup viewing venue, killing two dozen fans.
2014.06.16      Iraq      Tal Afar      5      0      Five 'enemies of Allah' are captured, taunted and then shot on video by proponents of an Islamic state.
2014.06.16      Thailad      Songkhla      1      1      A grocer is murdered in his store by suspected 'separatists'.
2014.06.16      Iraq      Baqubah      44      0      Forty-four Sunnis are executed by Shia militia.
2014.06.16      Egypt      Cairo      1      0      A police officer is picked off by Muslim Brotherhood snipers.
2014.06.16      Afghanistan      Kandahar      5      0      Taliban roadside bombers take out five members of the same family.
2014.06.16      Iraq      Sadr City      10      25      Ten shoppers at a largely Shiite market are torn to shreds by a Sunni bomb blast.
2014.06.16      Thailand      Pattani      1      2      Muslim terrorists rake a vehicle with gunfire, killing a 44-year-old Buddhist woman.
2014.06.16      Thailand      Narathiwat      1      0      A civilian is blown off his motorbike by a Muslim bomb.
2014.06.16      Kenya      Mpeketoni      53      25      Over four dozen people watching a World Cup match are cut down by al-Shabaab after they are singled out as non-Muslims for failing a quiz on Islam.
2014.06.15      Kenya      Mpeketoni      1      0      A father is gunned down in front of his family after Islamists identify him as a Christian.
2014.06.15      Nigeria      Daku      25      15      Boko Haram militants storm a Christian village and open fire on a market, killing at least two dozen.
2014.06.15      Pakistan      Latifabad      1      1      A 22-year-old woman is tortured by her family for marrying without their permission. Her husband is killed.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Baghdad      15      8      Fifteen shoppers are pulled into pieces by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Sadr City      3      7      Sunnis detonate a bomb inside a Shiite owned food shop, killing three patrons.
2014.06.15      Afghanistan      Herat      0      11      Fundamentalists cut off the fingers of eleven men for disobeying them by voting in an election.
2014.06.15      Somalia      Baidoa      1      0      al-Shabaab pull a man out of his vehicle and behead him.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Baghdad      12      30      A Religion of Peace car bomb at a bus stationproduces a dozen corpses.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Tal Afar      10      40      Ten people are killed when Sunni militants mortar a Shia city.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Mosul      3      0      Three men are executed on video after failing a 'Quranic quiz'.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Mosul      24      0      An ISIL video shows the round-up and execution of two dozen Iraqis.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Khales      6      0      At least six innocents are killed when ISIL send mortar rounds into a neighborhood.
2014.06.15      Yemen      Aden      9      10      Suspected al-Qaeda fire point-blank into a bus, killing at least nine riders.
2014.06.14      Afghanistan      Kabul      38      115      A series of Taliban attacks on civilians leaves over three dozen dead.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Ishaqi      12      0      The burned bodies of twelve ISIS victims are discovered.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Ishaqi      9      21      Nine Iraqis are left dead after Mujahid gunmen attack a group of vehicles carrying a rival religious figure.
2014.06.14      Syria      Deir Ezzur      15      24      An ISIL bomb at a bazaar takes the lives of fifteen civilians .
2014.06.14      Iraq      Mosul      12      0      Twelve clerics are executed in front of a mosque for refusing to take an oath to an Islamic state.
2014.06.14      Pakistan      Khanewal      2      0      A man and woman are killed by family members for adultery.
2014.06.14      Afghanistan      Samangan      11      0      Eleven locals, including six women and a child, are disassembled by Taliban bombers.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Mosul      1      0      Islamists pull a taxi driver from his car and execute him.
2014.06.14      Pakistan      Multan      2      0      Two young women are honor killed by their families for sexual 'crime'.
2014.06.13      Yemen      Abyan      4      6      An al-Qaeda suicide bomber sends four Yemenis to Allah.
2014.06.13      Iraq      Mosul      1      0      A family man is beheaded on video after being kidnapped.
2014.06.13      Iraq      Mosul      3      0      A man and his two sons have their throats slit by ISIL after being forced to dig their own graves.
2014.06.13      Pakistan      Khyber      1      0      A peace committee member is taken apart by a Taliban bomb.
2014.06.12      Iraq      Tikrit      12      0      Twelve ISIS execution victims are discovered.
2014.06.12      Iraq      Dawasa      12      0      A dozen more victims of ISIS executions are found.
2014.06.12      Syria      Damascus      8      25      Eight civilians are cut down by a Sunni car bomb blast.
2014.06.12      India      Poonch      1      3      Pakistani terrorists kill an Indian soldier with an IED.
2014.06.12      Lebanon      Koura      1      0      A 24-year-old woman is strangled - honor killed - by her two younger brothers for leaving the house at night.
2014.06.12      Pakistan      Jamrud      3      0      Taliban militants fire point blank into a police checkpoint, killing three officers.
2014.06.12      Iraq      Salah al-Din      1      0      A 10-year-old boy is killed by suspected Mujahid gunmen.

2014.06.12      Mali      Aguelhoc      4      10      Four UN peacekeepers are blown to bits by a suicide car bomber.
2014.06.11      Thailand      Pattani      1      0      Muslim terrorists pump ten bullets into a villager.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Safwan      5      5      A Sunni car bmb at a crowded market turns five shoppers into paste.
2014.06.11      Egypt      al-Arish      1      2      A terror attack by fundamentalists leaves one dead.
2014.06.11      Pakistan      Kitkoot      2      2      A man and his son are shot to death by Islamists.
2014.06.11      Pakistan      Swat      5      0      Five policemen are killed in two attacks by Mujahideen.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Karbala      4      13      Four Iraqis are sent to Allah by Holy Warriors.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Sadr City      38      34      A Sunni suicide bomber takes the lives of nearly forty Shiites at a tent meeting.
2014.06.11      Lebanon      Hermel      1      0      al-Nusra members murder a 14-year-old and toss his body in a ditch.
2014.06.11      Nigeria      Tanjol      9      0      At least nine people are killed when Muslim radicals storm two villages and burn churches.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Baghdad      15      27      Sunni bomb strike two Shia areas, killing fifteen.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Mosul      17      0      Seventeen civilians are found executed by ISIS.
2014.06.10      Iraq      Baqubah      20      28      Twenty mourners at a funeral are blasted into chunks by two sectarian bombers.
2014.06.10      Iraq      Fallujah      1      4      One person is killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.06.10      Pakistan      Karachi      7      0      Seven airport cargo workers are found crushed by rubble from a suicide blast.
2014.06.10      Kenya      Mombasa      1      0      A cleric is shot to death after refusing to preach Jihad from his mosque.
2014.06.09      Dagestan      Ghunib      2      0      Two people are killed by an Islamist bomb.
2014.06.09      Iraq      Tuz Khormato      28      148      A suicide bomber massacres twenty-eight innocents.
2014.06.09      Pakistan      Datta Khel      4      12      Women are among the victims of a Shahid suicide bomber. A child is killed as well.
2014.06.09      Pakistan      Kurram      2      1      Talibanis roll up on a checkpoint and machine-gun two cops.
2014.06.09      Iraq      Ramadi      5      5      An al-Qaeda bomb produces five dead Iraqis.
2014.06.09      Iraq      Garma      10      2      Militants kill women and children with a rocket barrage on their neighborhood.
2014.06.09      Pakistan      Nazimabad      2      0      Two brothers are shot to death by Sipah-e-Sahaba because they were Shia.
2014.06.08      Pakistan      Karachi      18      24      A suicide assault at an airport by ten pro-Sharia Fedayeen leaves eighteen others dead.
2014.06.08      Iraq      Tikrit      3      9      Mujahid kill three people at a school.
2014.06.08      Iraq      Jalawla      39      67      Suicide car bombers slaughter forty people at a Kurdish political office.
2014.06.08      Pakistan      Taftan      30      14      Nine women and a child are among thirty Shia pilgrims brutally murdered during a suicide attack by Jaish al-Islam on their hotel.
2014.06.08      Nigeria      Gombe      3      0      At least three people are killed by a Boko Haram female suicide bomber.
2014.06.08      Afghanistan      Behsud      1      0      A suicide bomber kills a parking lot guard.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Mosul      21      0      Twenty-one local cops are kidnapped and executed by ISIL fundamentalists.
2014.06.07      Pakistan      Bajaur      2      1      A Taliban roadside blast kills two local soldiers.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Ramadi      2      5      Two Iraqis are sent to Allah by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Baghdad      4      15      Four people are killed by a Sunni blast at a hotel.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Baghdad      3      14      Fundamentalists bombs a cinema, killing three patrons.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Baghdad      36      37      Three dozen innocents are consumed by a series of Mujahideen bombings in mostly Shia areas.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Baghdad      23      8      Two dozen people at a billiards hall are dismantled by an Islamist car bomb.
2014.06.06      Syria      Raqqa      1      0      ISIS crucify a man in the town square.
2014.06.06      Iraq      Mosul      11      0      Five suicide bombers storm a depot and make sure no one inside survives.
2014.06.06      Iraq      Samarrah      41      42      Mostly Shiites are among an additional forty-one reported dead after ISIL terrorists sweep through the city.
2014.06.06      Pakistan      Karachi      2      4      Two people lose their lives to a suicide bombing outside a mosque.
2014.06.06      Iraq      Muwaffaqiyah      6      45      Two suicide bombers take out six religious minorities in a Shabak village.
2014.06.06      Afghanistan      Kabul      6      22      Six people at a political rally are turned into paste by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.06.05      Pakistan      Peshawar      2      0      Two men riding in a car are shot to death by suspected Taliban.
2014.06.05      Pakistan      Yousawala      1      0      Two brothers honor kill their sister for marrying without their permission.
2014.06.05      Yemen      Bayhan      17      3      Seventeen are slain by al-Qaeda.
2014.06.05      Iraq      Baiji      1      4      A suicide bomber manages to kill only one other person.
2014.06.05      Iraq      Samarrah      7      45      Bearded Sunni fundamentalists stage an assault that leaves at least seven others dead.
2014.06.05      Iraq      Mosul      2      0      An elderly man and a woman are murdered in their homes by Muslim terrorists.
2014.06.04      Pakistan      Rawalpindi      5      4      Five people bleed to death following a Shahid suicide bombing.
2014.06.04      Iraq      Baghdad      6      19      Two Mujahid bombings in a shopping area leave six dead.
2014.06.04      Iraq      Hillah      8      35      Jihadis bomb a hospital, killing mostly medical students.
2014.06.04      Iraq      Kirkuk      7      9      Seven people lose their lives when Muslim terrorists set off a bomb in a parking lot.
2014.06.04      Libya      Benghazi      3      4      Three local security personnel are sent to Allah by a suicide car bomber.
2014.06.04      Pakistan      Bajaur      4      4      Four security personnel are killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2014.06.04      Syria      Damascus      10      102      Militant Sunnis send mortars into residential areas to try and punish those trying to vote in elections.

The list rolls on.....but the big bad Jews  must be addressed yes and the focus come off Islam no ?  ;D

It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind.

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:28pm:

It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind.

What is ?

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. What is ?

You don’t know?

Read your two posts above. You people are unbelievable.

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:35pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. What is ? You don’t know? Read your two posts above. You people are unbelievable.

Dried fish flaps are on the menu, again, apparently they are off!

Adamant wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:44pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:35pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. What is ? You don’t know? Read your two posts above. You people are unbelievable. Dried fish flaps are on the menu, again, apparently they are off!

You people are incredible. Mossad - the biggest state-funded hit-squad in the world. They steal Australian passports to sneak in and out of countries to do their kidnappings, assassinations and torture.

And the spineless, limp-wristed apologists distract with unsourced statistics and the fish of the day.

Unfvckingbelievable.

Adamant wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:44pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:35pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. What is ? You don’t know? Read your two posts above. You people are unbelievable. Dried fish flaps are on the menu, again, apparently they are off!

You people are incredible. Mossad - the biggest state-funded hit-squad in the world. They steal Australian passports to sneak in and out of countries to do their kidnappings, assassinations and torture.

And the spineless, limp-wristed apologists distract with unsourced statistics and the fish of the day.

Unfvckingbelievable.

She was only a fish mongers daughter, but by Allah she knew how to fill it.

Dried aged cod flaps for all and sundry, don't be bashful get um while they don't stink.

Do you lick it Karnal. I can follow people around as well. Intend to do so as long as the people in charge allow you to do it TROLL.

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:44pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:35pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. What is ? You don’t know? Read your two posts above. You people are unbelievable.

You seem to be a little upset and are talking rubbish.

Take a deep breath while your master lets you TROLL.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

A largely forgotten or ignored history of Terrorism in the 20th century is that of Jewish Terrorism. Generally, Jewish Terrorism falls into two categories which overlap.  Judiasm inspired, religious Terrorism and Zionist inspired Terrorism. The first, relies upon Judiasm for it's inspiration.   The second, which overlaps the first relies upon Zionism for it's inspiration. Both have had their peaks and troughs over the last 60+ years.  In the late 1940s, there was a widespread bombing campaign conducted both in Palestine and western Europe which was intended to try and influence public opinion over the creation of the modern state of Israel.  Then there was the state conducted Terrorism surrounding the 1967 Six Day War, where Israeli soldiers went door to door, telling Palestinian people to leave their homes and flee. After the Six Day war, Israel waged a comprehensive letter bomb campaign against those who opposed it's rule of the Occupied Territories. Then there has been Terrorism of the Israeli settlers which has been conducted against the Palestinians. All fit the modern, FBI inspired definition of Terrorism: Quote: "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:     Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;     Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; [url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition]Source[/url] So, if an Israeli colonist threatens and intimidates a Palestinian, why isn't Israel condemned for failure to bring that colonist to answer before the law?

Whilst looking up where you had plagiarised you opening gambit I found this site.

Most interesting.

No dried fish flaps for tea, what a bonus!

http://globalresearch.ca/?c&authorFirst=Jacques%20R.&author

Adamant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:18am:

http://globalresearch.ca/?c&authorFirst=Jacques%20R.&author

Mmm, I wasn't aware that Usama bin Laden was Jewish.  So, what is his relevance to a thread devoted to Jewish Terrorism?

Or are you trying to distract attention from a thread devoted to Jewish Terrorism?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Adamant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:18am: http://globalresearch.ca/?c&authorFirst=Jacques%20R.&author Mmm, I wasn't aware that Usama bin Laden was Jewish.  So, what is his relevance to a thread devoted to Jewish Terrorism? Or are you trying to distract attention from a thread devoted to Jewish Terrorism?   ::) ::)

Welcome back Brain Dead, they let you out of the mental institution did they? Thought you had received life?

Adamant wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:32pm: Adamant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:18am: http://globalresearch.ca/?c&authorFirst=Jacques%20R.&author Mmm, I wasn't aware that Usama bin Laden was Jewish.  So, what is his relevance to a thread devoted to Jewish Terrorism? Or are you trying to distract attention from a thread devoted to Jewish Terrorism?   ::) ::) Welcome back Brain Dead, they let you out of the mental institution did they? Thought you had received life?

Oh, resorting to ad hominem immediately?  Tsk, tsk, that just indicates what about your ability to debate the issue under discussion?   ::)

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Adamant wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:59pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:44pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:35pm: Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. What is ? You don’t know? Read your two posts above. You people are unbelievable. Dried fish flaps are on the menu, again, apparently they are off! You people are incredible. Mossad - the biggest state-funded hit-squad in the world. They steal Australian passports to sneak in and out of countries to do their kidnappings, assassinations and torture. And the spineless, limp-wristed apologists distract with unsourced statistics and the fish of the day. Unfvckingbelievable.

You don't mess with the Zohan, PB.

Stay on topic, FISH FLAPS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzR50_L2Onk

If lucky (or maybe not) we may get a translation from the fishmongers dried fish flaps. Horrible smelly thought that.

Karnal wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 10:28pm:

It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind.

Sure is!  I expect to see DL jumping in here at the first opportunity to tell Mahdi off for trying to distract us from our consideration of this important topic about Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. Sure is!  I expect to see DL jumping in here at the first opportunity to tell Mahdi off for trying to distract us from our consideration of this important topic about Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Poor diddums  ;D

Datalife wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 11:45pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 24th, 2014 at 11:22am: [quote author=Karnal link=1403343028/3#3 date=1403353694]It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. Sure is!  I expect to see DL jumping in here at the first opportunity to tell Mahdi off for trying to distract us from our consideration of this important topic about Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Actually you don't "expect", that's just your rhetorical hyper bowl, you have never seen me do that before.  Unlike your silly self I don't do yours and Brains jack in the box across any thread apologising for or attempt to distract and divert from acts of terrorism with red herrings.  I leave that gear for apologists like yourself and your alter ego and fellow luvvies, willing to bend backwards to explain and rationalise excesses of Islam without regard to its record for deadly attitude to gays and women.

Tell ya what Hotbreath, surprise everyone and when an atrocity committed in the name of Christianity is discussed, pipe up like you do, jack in the box style and attempt to divert the subject to atrocities committed in the name of Islam.

But of course that will never happen, not by you, or your alter ego or by the apologists, you support Islam because it is anti the west and it is fashionable for the unthinking faux intelligencia to be anti.

So edgy and controversial.  ::)

Please delete, stuffed up editing.

So, where is your condemnation of Jewish terrorism DL?  Are you an apologist for it?

Why are you acting as an apologist for these people who are attempting to distract and disrupt discussion of this issue?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

My uncle was in The Palestine Police until it was disbanded in the mid/late 40s, and The Stern Gang were Israeli terrorists committing equally (as Al-Qaeda) ruthless attacks against the Arabs and British during this time.

|dev|null wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

So, where is your condemnation of Jewish terrorism DL?  Are you an apologist for it? Why are you acting as an apologist for these people who are attempting to distract and disrupt discussion of this issue?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lol, you invited me into this thread by naming me (miss me do you?) demanding I jump up and down condemning terrorism in the name of Judaism.  You may note in my reply I did not point fingers in other directions or attempt to distract.

But yes I condemn acts of terrorism committed in the name of Judaism.  I don't apologise or throw red herrings out to avoid discussing terrorism.  I have no favourites, I condemn equally acts of terrorism committed in the name of Christianity.  I wish so called adults would have no superstitious need to believe in sky pixies to make their lives complete.

I expect to see you in future threads running interference and throwing red herrings to distract from discussion and condemnation of the lefts poster child of religion.  I don't blame you, it is all you are capable of and all you have been taught, and to be fair to you, pretty much all you can do when defending the indefensible.

DL why does your condemnation ring hollow in my ears (or in this case eyes)?   Why is that you have to be challenged to provide a condemnation when it should be the first thing to come from your keyboard if it was genuine?  That it only appears after you're challenged suggests to me that you're an apologist for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

DL why does your condemnation ring hollow in my ears (or in this case eyes)?   Why is that you have to be challenged to provide a condemnation when it should be the first thing to come from your keyboard if it was genuine?  That it only appears after you're challenged suggests to me that you're an apologist for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The first thing that comes from my keyboard eh? Is that your standard?

LOL, maybe then you could lead by example and post for perusal the first of many things from your keyboard your many condemnations of terrorism in the name of religion?

Too flipping easy.   ::). But please continue to post, you are a joy to work with.

First thing off your keyboard the idiot says... Chortle  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

DL its still all about me, isn't it?   Stop being an apologist for these terrorists!  It's disgusting reading your efforts to divert attention all the time into personal slanging matches!  Trying to excuse terrorism at every opportunity if its done by non-Muslims!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Datalife wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 27th, 2014 at 1:11pm: DL why does your condemnation ring hollow in my ears (or in this case eyes)?   Why is that you have to be challenged to provide a condemnation when it should be the first thing to come from your keyboard if it was genuine?  That it only appears after you're challenged suggests to me that you're an apologist for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The first thing that comes from my keyboard eh? Is that your standard? LOL, maybe then you could lead by example and post for perusal the first of many things from your keyboard your many condemnations of terrorism in the name of religion? Too flipping easy.   ::). But please continue to post, you are a joy to work with. First thing off your keyboard the idiot says... Chortle  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And your response


|dev|null wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

DL its still all about me, isn't it?   Stop being an apologist for these terrorists!  It's disgusting reading your efforts to divert attention all the time into personal slanging matches!  Trying to excuse terrorism at every opportunity if its done by non-Muslims!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pitiful, just pitiful Hotbreath.  You invite me into this thread by issuing a challenge, here it is you silly little non entity,


|dev|null wrote on Jun 24^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 10:28pm: It’s spineless apologism of the most cowardly kind. Sure is!  I expect to see DL jumping in here at the first opportunity to tell Mahdi off for trying to distract us from our consideration of this important topic about Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Anyone reading can see what an utter fool you have made of yourself, it is enjoyable albeit a little sad watching you thrash around whilst presenting yourself as a perfect idiot from the first post.

You have been totally and utterly pwned and it was all your own work. 

First thing off your keyboard lol, I am still laughing at how stupid you will appear to others.  You cannot bluster yourself out of this perfect car crash...and you drove it all the way into the tree, accelerating all the way.    8-)

Still not addressing the issue?  DL what an apologist you've become for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

List of Jewish terrorist attacks


Quote:

1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946. 2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951. 3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948. 4. Falameh, April 2, 1951. 5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948. 6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953. 7. Carmel, April 20, 1948. 8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954. 9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948. 10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955. 11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948. 12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955. 13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948. 14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955 15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948. 16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955. 17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950. 18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955. 19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956. 20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956. 21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956. 22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956. 23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956. 24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956. 25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. 1960-1962: Israeli forces attacked Syrian villages on Lade Tiberias and brought death to hundreds of Arab civilians. 1966: Squads of Israeli soldiers raided the Jordanian village of Sammu, they killed 18 civilians, wounded 100 others and demolished 130 houses including a school, a clinic and a mosque. 1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing 75 children and wounding over 100. August 1969: An Israeli set fire to one of the most sacred Islamic shrines. Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, causing extensive damage to it. This crime plunged over one billion Muslims throughout the world into the deepest anguish. March 12, 1970: Israeli forces invaded part of South Lebanon known as "Fatah-Land" killing a number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. September 8, 1972 -- Without any apparent cause or reason, Israeli Phantoms bombed Palestinian targets in Lebanon and Syria in a series of raids killing hundreds of civilians. This action was explained by the Israeli prime minister the next day, who in the Knesset, that "Israel had now adopted a new policy to strike at the terrorist organizations where ever we can reach them." February 21, 1973: Israel landed commando units on the coasts of the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They attacked two Palestinian refugees camps, dynamited several houses and buildings, some over the heads of their occupants, killing 35 refugees and wounding a similar number. On the same day, Israeli war planes shot down a Libyan Civilian Aircraft over the Sinai Desert killing over 100 passengers. April 10, 1973: Israeli commando units with the help of some Lebanese collaborators stormed into a residential quarter in East Beirut and killed three PLO leaders: Yusef Al Najjar, Kamal Adwan and Kamal Nasser. 1974: Israeli air-borne commando units attacked Beirut airport and destroyed 13 Lebanese civilian aircraft on the ground. In the same year, Israeli planes intercepted a civilian Syrian aircraft and forced it to land at Lydda (Lod) airport on suspicion that it was carrying a Palestinian commando leader. Christian shrines in Jerusalem were subjected to several acts of aggression and robbery. This included damaging the church of the Holy Sepulchre, burying four other Christian centers, and stealing the diamond Crown of the Virgin Mary. 1975-1980: Israeli's intelligence service, the Mossad, distinguished itself by feats of terrorist actions that killed a number of Arab and Palestinian diplomats, scientists and journalists such as the PLO representatives in London, Rome, Paris and Brussels, prominent Palestinian journalist and writer Ghassan Kanafani and the Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Al Mashad. October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed the houses, cars and offices of three elected Palestinian mayors on the West Bank, Nablus, Ramallah and Al Beireh. 1986: Israeli secret agents assassinated a noted Palestinian cartoonist Naji Al Ali, in London. April 1988: Israeli commando units stormed into the house of Khalil Al Wazir, in Tunis. Al Wazir who was the most senior PLO military commander and believed to be in charge of the Intifada, was murdered while sleeping. February and March 1989: Israeli F-16 planes pounded Palestinian targets in Lebanon's Shouf Mountains, Damour and the Beka's valley with a series of raids killing a numbers of civilians, including 15 school children in Damour.

[http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm]

|dev|null wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Still not addressing the issue?  DL what an apologist you've become for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am happy to let you continue digging your hole and spinning your gears.  No way out of this one.  You can keep attributing nonsense to me whilst avoiding posting your own first thing off your keyboard.

Keep posting, it's just demonstrating what a dope you are.   8-)

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

My uncle was in The Palestine Police until it was disbanded in the mid/late 40s, and The Stern Gang were Israeli terrorists committing equally (as Al-Qaeda) ruthless attacks against the Arabs and British during this time.

The state of Israel was born in a crucible of blood. And yet, after the Holocaust and the Warsaw uprising and years of European pogroms, we apologists understood this. Israel was created through terrorism, but the world sympathised. After an act of genocide that took seven million people, the Jews deserved a state, and they were right to fight.

The continued existence of Israel is another matter. To survive, Israel needs to negotiate. It also needs to give back territory siezed in 1967. In 1947, we understood. In 2014, it’s a different matter.

Wow, look at that! Hot Breath has a list of Jewish terrorism that spans 45 years!

As a comparison though, it's rather paltry when compared to that of the Isamists in the last MONTH.

Try again, you cute li'l thang.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Wow, look at that! Hot Breath has a list of Jewish terrorism that spans 45 years! As a comparison though, it's rather paltry when compared to that of the Isamists in the last MONTH. Try again, you cute li'l thang.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Is it, Lionel quantity that matters or the act(s) themselves?  Surely one act of Jewish Terrorism is equally guilty of being condemned as an act of Muslim Terrorism?   Indeed, isn't it the act of Terrorism, irregardless of it's inspiration which is the crime?

I am aware of at least a dozen or more further acts which can be added to that list, from bombs being detonated in London and Rome, through to airliners being destroyed over the Mediterranean and of course scientists being blown up in Egypt and Tehran at various times.

Terrorism is Terrorism, Lionel and I'm surprised you're acting as an apologist for it.   ::) ::)

Hot Breath's list didn't include the sinking of the SS Patria by the Hargana, killing 267 jewish refugees.

Heh!

So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?

Are we going to include/exclude those atrocities excused as reprisals?

Or are we just going to count atrocities by number?

History is replete with mass murderers, whose body count runs into millions. Thankfully, most of those have already been extinguished.

Perhaps we should  turn our attention to modern-day ideologies that encourage the fanatic to group together in order to plot, and enact, the ongoing massacres of the innocent?

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle.  Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"  Quran 48:29

2014.06.26 (Hadramawt, Yemen) - At least five others are killed when al-Qaeda militants attack an airport.
2014.06.26 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Sunni suicide bomber blows himself up at a Shiite market, slaughtering two dozen men, women and children.
2014.06.26 (Buulobarde, Somalia) - An al-Shabaab grenade attack on a hotel leaves two dead.
2014.06.25 (Abuja, Nigeria) - Islamists detonate a bomb in the middle of a shopping district, slaughtering nearly two dozen shoppers.
2014.06.24 (Witu, Kenya) - Eleven people are hacked and shot to death at close range in a suspected al-Shabaab attack.
2014.06.24 (Spinwam, Pakistan) - Three others are murdered by a Ansarul Mujahideen suicide bomber.


Well known ones for the last couple a days  ;D

Quick lets get back to all the terrorism Jews do in the Islam bash a Jew thread.  ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Still not addressing the issue?  DL what an apologist you've become for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D List of Jewish terrorist attacks Quote: 1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946. 2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951. 3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948. 4. Falameh, April 2, 1951. 5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948. 6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953. 7. Carmel, April 20, 1948. 8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954. 9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948. 10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955. 11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948. 12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955. 13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948. 14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955 15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948. 16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955. 17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950. 18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955. 19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956. 20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956. 21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956. 22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956. 23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956. 24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956. 25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. 1960-1962: Israeli forces attacked Syrian villages on Lade Tiberias and brought death to hundreds of Arab civilians. 1966: Squads of Israeli soldiers raided the Jordanian village of Sammu, they killed 18 civilians, wounded 100 others and demolished 130 houses including a school, a clinic and a mosque. 1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing 75 children and wounding over 100. August 1969: An Israeli set fire to one of the most sacred Islamic shrines. Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, causing extensive damage to it. This crime plunged over one billion Muslims throughout the world into the deepest anguish. March 12, 1970: Israeli forces invaded part of South Lebanon known as "Fatah-Land" killing a number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians. September 8, 1972 -- Without any apparent cause or reason, Israeli Phantoms bombed Palestinian targets in Lebanon and Syria in a series of raids killing hundreds of civilians. This action was explained by the Israeli prime minister the next day, who in the Knesset, that "Israel had now adopted a new policy to strike at the terrorist organizations where ever we can reach them." February 21, 1973: Israel landed commando units on the coasts of the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They attacked two Palestinian refugees camps, dynamited several houses and buildings, some over the heads of their occupants, killing 35 refugees and wounding a similar number. On the same day, Israeli war planes shot down a Libyan Civilian Aircraft over the Sinai Desert killing over 100 passengers. April 10, 1973: Israeli commando units with the help of some Lebanese collaborators stormed into a residential quarter in East Beirut and killed three PLO leaders: Yusef Al Najjar, Kamal Adwan and Kamal Nasser. 1974: Israeli air-borne commando units attacked Beirut airport and destroyed 13 Lebanese civilian aircraft on the ground. In the same year, Israeli planes intercepted a civilian Syrian aircraft and forced it to land at Lydda (Lod) airport on suspicion that it was carrying a Palestinian commando leader. Christian shrines in Jerusalem were subjected to several acts of aggression and robbery. This included damaging the church of the Holy Sepulchre, burying four other Christian centers, and stealing the diamond Crown of the Virgin Mary. 1975-1980: Israeli's intelligence service, the Mossad, distinguished itself by feats of terrorist actions that killed a number of Arab and Palestinian diplomats, scientists and journalists such as the PLO representatives in London, Rome, Paris and Brussels, prominent Palestinian journalist and writer Ghassan Kanafani and the Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Al Mashad. October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed the houses, cars and offices of three elected Palestinian mayors on the West Bank, Nablus, Ramallah and Al Beireh. 1986: Israeli secret agents assassinated a noted Palestinian cartoonist Naji Al Ali, in London. April 1988: Israeli commando units stormed into the house of Khalil Al Wazir, in Tunis. Al Wazir who was the most senior PLO military commander and believed to be in charge of the Intifada, was murdered while sleeping. February and March 1989: Israeli F-16 planes pounded Palestinian targets in Lebanon's Shouf Mountains, Damour and the Beka's valley with a series of raids killing a numbers of civilians, including 15 school children in Damour. [http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A whole 28 lets double it to 56 and then take a look at Islam .

Date      Country      City      Killed      Injured      Description
2014.06.26      Yemen      Hadramawt      5      40      At least five others are killed when al-Qaeda militants attack an airport.
2014.06.26      Iraq      Baghdad      22      44      A Sunni suicide bomber blows himself up at a Shiite market, slaughtering two dozen men, women and children.
2014.06.26      Somalia      Buulobarde      2      4      An al-Shabaab grenade attack on a hotel leaves two dead.
2014.06.25      Nigeria      Abuja      21      52      Islamists detonate a bomb in the middle of a shopping district, slaughtering nearly two dozen shoppers.
2014.06.24      Pakistan      Spinwam      3      0      Three others are murdered by a Ansarul Mujahideen suicide bomber.
2014.06.24      Nigeria      Kabamu      21      0      Twenty-one people are reported dead after an attack by Muslim terrorists.
2014.06.24      Thailand      Pattani      1      0      A Buddhist man is shot and set on fire by Muslim terrorists.
2014.06.24      Kenya      Witu      11      0      Eleven people are hacked and shot to death at close range in a suspected al-Shabaab attack.
2014.06.23      Iraq      Tarmiyah      6      0      Two women and three children are among a family of six exterminated in their home by sectarian Jihadis.
2014.06.23      Nigeria      Kano      8      20      A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders eight students at a medical college.
2014.06.23      Lebanon      Beirut      1      25      A female suicide car bomber injures six people and kills one other at a World Cup viewing gathering.
2014.06.22      Iraq      Ramadi      8      13      A half-dozen mourners at a funeral are laid out by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2014.06.22      Iraq      Rawa      21      0      Twenty-one local leaders are executed by terrorists fighting for an Islamic state.
2014.06.22      Israel      Golan Heights      1      3      Syrian terrorists kill an Israeli teen with a rocket fired over the border.
2014.06.20      Syria      Hama      43      50      The Islamic Front claims credit for a truck bomb that rips the life out of forty-three dozen bystanders, including eleven children.
2014.06.20      China      Xinjiang      5      0      Two policemen are butchered by Islamic radicals, who then burn three others to death.
2014.06.19      Pakistan      Peshawar      3      6      Three people bleed to death following a Shahid suicide bombing at a family home.
2014.06.19      Philippines      Jolo      7      13      Abu Sayyaf fundamentalists ambush and slaughter seven local soldiers.
2014.06.18      Iraq      Tal Afar      1      2      ISIS send a rocket into a home, killing a 10-year-old girl and severely maiming her mother and sister.
2014.06.18      Pakistan      Hangu      7      1      Three women are among a family of eight slaughtered in their home by sectarian Jihadis.
2014.06.18      Iraq      Mosul      1      0      A judge is kidnapped and executed by religious radicals.
2014.06.18      Somalia      Mogadishu      2      0      Islamists plant a bomb in a doctor's car, killing him and a nurse.
2014.06.17      Syria      Deir al-Zor      5      0      A suspected ISIL car bomb leaves five dead.
2014.06.17      Iraq      Sadr City      12      30      A dozen innocents at a packed market are disassembled by Sunni bombers.
2014.06.17      Iraq      Baghdad      7      0      Seven Sunnis, including a cleric are taken and murdered by Shia rivals.
2014.06.17      Iraq      Baghdad      3      9      Jihadis detonate a bomb in the central part of the city, killing three bystanders.
2014.06.17      India      Bijbehara      1      0      A manager at a shoe shop is murdered by Muslim terrorists.
2014.06.17      Pakistan      Peshawar      1      0      A man is shot to death in his car by suspected Taliban.
2014.06.17      Kenya      Poromoko      15      12      Islamists burn down a neighborhood, kill fifteen residents and abduct a dozen women.
2014.06.17      Nigeria      Damaturu      24      21      A suicide bomber praises Allah before self-detonating at a World Cup viewing venue, killing two dozen fans.
2014.06.17      Iraq      Samarrah      18      0      Eighteen police officers kidnapped by Islamists are found executed with gunshots to the head and chest.
2014.06.16      Iraq      Tal Afar      5      0      Five 'enemies of Allah' are captured, taunted and then shot on video by proponents of an Islamic state.
2014.06.16      Iraq      Sadr City      10      25      Ten shoppers at a largely Shiite market are torn to shreds by a Sunni bomb blast.
2014.06.16      Kenya      Mpeketoni      53      25      Over four dozen people watching a World Cup match are cut down by al-Shabaab after they are singled out as non-Muslims for failing a quiz on Islam.
2014.06.16      Afghanistan      Kandahar      5      0      Taliban roadside bombers take out five members of the same family.
2014.06.16      Egypt      Cairo      1      0      A police officer is picked off by Muslim Brotherhood snipers.
2014.06.16      Thailand      Pattani      1      2      Muslim terrorists rake a vehicle with gunfire, killing a 44-year-old Buddhist woman.
2014.06.16      Uganda      Mbale      1      0      The 12-year-old daughter of a high-profile convert to Christianity is strangled as punishment.
2014.06.16      Iraq      Baqubah      44      0      Forty-four Sunnis are executed by Shia militia.
2014.06.16      Thailad      Songkhla      1      1      A grocer is murdered in his store by suspected 'separatists'.

2014.06.16      Thailand      Narathiwat      1      0      A civilian is blown off his motorbike by a Muslim bomb.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Mosul      3      0      Three men are executed on video after failing a 'Quranic quiz'.
2014.06.15      Somalia      Baidoa      1      0      al-Shabaab pull a man out of his vehicle and behead him.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Baghdad      15      8      Fifteen shoppers are pulled into pieces by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Baghdad      12      30      A Religion of Peace car bomb at a bus stationproduces a dozen corpses.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Tal Afar      10      40      Ten people are killed when Sunni militants mortar a Shia city.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Mosul      24      0      An ISIL video shows the round-up and execution of two dozen Iraqis.
2014.06.15      Pakistan      Latifabad      1      1      A 22-year-old woman is tortured by her family for marrying without their permission. Her husband is killed.
2014.06.15      Afghanistan      Herat      0      11      Fundamentalists cut off the fingers of eleven men for disobeying them by voting in an election.
2014.06.15      Nigeria      Daku      25      15      Boko Haram militants storm a Christian village and open fire on a market, killing at least two dozen.
2014.06.15      Kenya      Mpeketoni      1      0      A father is gunned down in front of his family after Islamists identify him as a Christian.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Sadr City      3      7      Sunnis detonate a bomb inside a Shiite owned food shop, killing three patrons.
2014.06.15      Yemen      Aden      9      10      Suspected al-Qaeda fire point-blank into a bus, killing at least nine riders.
2014.06.15      Iraq      Khales      6      0      At least six innocents are killed when ISIL send mortar rounds into a neighborhood.
2014.06.14      Pakistan      Multan      2      0      Two young women are honor killed by their families for sexual 'crime'.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Ishaqi      9      21      Nine Iraqis are left dead after Mujahid gunmen attack a group of vehicles carrying a rival religious figure.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Mosul      1      0      Islamists pull a taxi driver from his car and execute him.
2014.06.14      Tanzania      Zanzibar      1      7      A cleric is blown up by suspected Religion of Peace rivals.
2014.06.14      Afghanistan      Kabul      38      115      A series of Taliban attacks on civilians leaves over three dozen dead.
2014.06.14      Afghanistan      Samangan      11      0      Eleven locals, including six women and a child, are disassembled by Taliban bombers.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Tikrit      190      0      Photos show that militants fighting for an Islamic state rounded up and massacred about two hundred men and boys in three days.
2014.06.14      Syria      Deir Ezzur      15      24      An ISIL bomb at a bazaar takes the lives of fifteen civilians .
2014.06.14      Pakistan      Khanewal      2      0      A man and woman are killed by family members for adultery.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Mosul      12      0      Twelve clerics are executed in front of a mosque for refusing to take an oath to an Islamic state.
2014.06.14      Iraq      Ishaqi      12      0      The burned bodies of twelve ISIS victims are discovered.
2014.06.13      Iraq      Mosul      1      0      A family man is beheaded on video after being kidnapped.
2014.06.13      Yemen      Abyan      4      6      An al-Qaeda suicide bomber sends four Yemenis to Allah.
2014.06.13      Pakistan      Khyber      1      0      A peace committee member is taken apart by a Taliban bomb.
2014.06.13      Iraq      Mosul      3      0      A man and his two sons have their throats slit by ISIL after being forced to dig their own graves.
2014.06.12      Pakistan      Jamrud      3      0      Taliban militants fire point blank into a police checkpoint, killing three officers.

2014.06.12      India      Poonch      1      3      Pakistani terrorists kill an Indian soldier with an IED.
2014.06.12      Lebanon      Koura      1      0      A 24-year-old woman is strangled - honor killed - by her two younger brothers for leaving the house at night.
2014.06.12      Iraq      Dawasa      12      0      A dozen more victims of ISIS executions are found.
2014.06.12      Syria      Damascus      8      25      Eight civilians are cut down by a Sunni car bomb blast.
2014.06.12      Mali      Aguelhoc      4      10      Four UN peacekeepers are blown to bits by a suicide car bomber.
2014.06.12      Iraq      Tikrit      12      0      Twelve ISIS execution victims are discovered.
2014.06.12      Iraq      Salah al-Din      1      0      A 10-year-old boy is killed by suspected Mujahid gunmen.
2014.06.11      Thailand      Pattani      1      0      Muslim terrorists pump ten bullets into a villager.
2014.06.11      Lebanon      Hermel      1      0      al-Nusra members murder a 14-year-old and toss his body in a ditch.
2014.06.11      Pakistan      Swat      5      0      Five policemen are killed in two attacks by Mujahideen.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Sadr City      38      34      A Sunni suicide bomber takes the lives of nearly forty Shiites at a tent meeting.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Baghdad      15      27      Sunni bomb strike two Shia areas, killing fifteen.
2014.06.11      Nigeria      Tanjol      9      0      At least nine people are killed when Muslim radicals storm two villages and burn churches.
2014.06.11      Pakistan      Kitkoot      2      2      A man and his son are shot to death by Islamists.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Mosul      17      0      Seventeen civilians are found executed by ISIS.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Safwan      5      5      A Sunni car bmb at a crowded market turns five shoppers into paste.
2014.06.11      Egypt      al-Arish      1      2      A terror attack by fundamentalists leaves one dead.
2014.06.11      Iraq      Karbala      4      13      Four Iraqis are sent to Allah by Holy Warriors.
2014.06.10      Iraq      Fallujah      1      4      One person is killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2014.06.10      Iraq      Baqubah      20      28      Twenty mourners at a funeral are blasted into chunks by two sectarian bombers.
2014.06.10      Pakistan      Karachi      7      0      Seven airport cargo workers are found crushed by rubble from a suicide blast.
2014.06.10      Iraq      Mosul      4      0      Four Christian women are reportedly shot for not wearing veils.
2014.06.10      Kenya      Mombasa      1      0      A cleric is shot to death after refusing to preach Jihad from his mosque.
2014.06.09      Pakistan      Kurram      2      1      Talibanis roll up on a checkpoint and machine-gun two cops.
2014.06.09      Pakistan      Nazimabad      2      0      Two brothers are shot to death by Sipah-e-Sahaba because they were Shia.
2014.06.09      Iraq      Garma      10      2      Militants kill women and children with a rocket barrage on their neighborhood.
2014.06.09      Iraq      Ramadi      5      5      An al-Qaeda bomb produces five dead Iraqis.
2014.06.09      Dagestan      Ghunib      2      0      Two people are killed by an Islamist bomb.
2014.06.09      Pakistan      Datta Khel      4      12      Women are among the victims of a Shahid suicide bomber. A child is killed as well.
2014.06.09      Iraq      Tuz Khormato      28      148      A suicide bomber massacres twenty-eight innocents.
2014.06.08      Pakistan      Karachi      18      24      A suicide assault at an airport by ten pro-Sharia Fedayeen leaves eighteen others dead.
2014.06.08      Pakistan      Taftan      30      14      Nine women and a child are among thirty Shia pilgrims brutally murdered during a suicide attack by Jaish al-Islam on their hotel.
2014.06.08      Iraq      Jalawla      39      67      Suicide car bombers slaughter forty people at a Kurdish political office.
2014.06.08      Afghanistan      Behsud      1      0      A suicide bomber kills a parking lot guard.
2014.06.08      Nigeria      Gombe      3      0      At least three people are killed by a Boko Haram female suicide bomber.
2014.06.08      Iraq      Tikrit      3      9      Mujahid kill three people at a school.
2014.06.07      Pakistan      Bajaur      2      1      A Taliban roadside blast kills two local soldiers.
2014.06.07      Nigeria      Kunde      7      0      Boko Haram gunmen murder seven villagers and burn churches.
2014.06.07      Iraq      Baghdad      36      37      Three dozen innocents are consumed by a series of Mujahideen bombings in mostly Shia areas.

Hell better stop there we haven't even covered one month of Islamic terrorism.
I guess the Jewish ones are hard to remember amongst the Islamic apologist static.
In fact almost any other type of terrorist pales against Islam.

But hey Islamists are upset lets continue the Jew terrorist thread  ;D

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 12:48am:

Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\

No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::)

Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::)

All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks. Jewish ones seem to be completed by one off odd balls just like any other non islamic terrorist attack. Islam on the other hand reigns supreme because the Quaran can be quoted in context supporting it brain. In fact it more than reigns supreme it totally dominates the terrorism stakes.
Lets face it brain the Jewish Terrorism thread was made out anger from an Islamic apologist chucking a tanty.

Lets call a spade a spade and stop beating around the kabaah.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks. Jewish ones seem to be completed by one off odd balls just like any other non islamic terrorist attack

Thats true Mahdi.

The difference though is that Israel has a habit of making Prime Ministers out of these "oddballs" - or venerating/rewarding them one way or another.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:46pm: All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks. Jewish ones seem to be completed by one off odd balls just like any other non islamic terrorist attack Thats true Mahdi. The difference though is that Israel has a habit of making Prime Ministers out of these "oddballs" - or venerating/rewarding them one way or another.

Really just like Islam and Mohammed ?  :o

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:17pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::) All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks.

Thank you, Mahdi.  So, then why are you trying to be an apologist for Jewish Terrorism?   Why are you trying to obfuscate about it?  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:06pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:17pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::) All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks. Thank you, Mahdi.  So, then why are you trying to be an apologist for Jewish Terrorism?   Why are you trying to obfuscate about it?  ::) ::)

To upset you of course.  BTW I never apologized for anything I said all terrorists are terrorists jewish, american, indian. But Islam takes the cake in the terrorist stakes. Its a no brainer really unless it makes you upset of course..  ;)

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:06pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:17pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::) All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks. Thank you, Mahdi.  So, then why are you trying to be an apologist for Jewish Terrorism?   Why are you trying to obfuscate about it?  ::) ::) To upset you of course.

I'm sorry to disappoint you.  You haven't upset me.  I've barely noticed you.  You don't think making such an effort is rather childish?  Not only ignorant and Xenophobic but childish as well...   ::) ::) ::)

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:17pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::) All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks..

What a load of cowardly, limp-wristed spineless apologetics.

If Jewish terrorism is so bad, why doesn’t Amerika invade Israel? You tell me that.

If Israelis are terrorists, why does Amerika give them billions worth of bombs and guns? You tell me.

You can’t. Amerika declared a War on Terror, you know. They invaded the world’s number-one source of Islamicist terror, Iraq. Saddam was trying to establish a global caliphate. It’s common knowledge.

If the Jews are such terrorists, say why Amerika invaded Iraq.

You apologists make me sick to my stomach.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

... If Jewish terrorism is so bad, why doesn’t Amerika invade Israel? You tell me that. ...

They need an airfield in the Middle East, that's why. Carrier groups are too vulnerable.

The nuclear option belongs to Israel. Google the Samson Option.

Oh, and it's all about the oil - nuffing to do with dirty infidels.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:06pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:17pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::) All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks. Thank you, Mahdi.  So, then why are you trying to be an apologist for Jewish Terrorism?   Why are you trying to obfuscate about it?  ::) ::) To upset you of course.  I'm sorry to disappoint you.  You haven't upset me.  I've barely noticed you.  You don't think making such an effort is rather childish?  Not only ignorant and Xenophobic but childish as well...   ::) ::) ::)

But of course not, you have barely noticed me chasing me all around the boards. Yes I think you making such an effort is very Xenophobic and childish. I find it funny you try and pin on others what you are actually like. Its mildly amusing but does get annoying.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 4:17pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 12:48am: Heh! So we've got to the stage of body counts, have we?\ No, you have, Lionel it seems.   ::) Me, I'm talking about Jewish Terrorism.  You seem to be making a comparison with Islamic Terrorism.  Not an invalid one, I'll say but why or how does that excuse the Jewish acts of Terrorism?  Mmm?   ::) ::) All terrorist attacks are terrorists attacks.. What a load of cowardly, limp-wristed spineless apologetics. If Jewish terrorism is so bad, why doesn’t Amerika invade Israel? You tell me that. If Israelis are terrorists, why does Amerika give them billions worth of bombs and guns? You tell me. You can’t. Amerika declared a War on Terror, you know. They invaded the world’s number-one source of Islamicist terror, Iraq. Saddam was trying to establish a global caliphate. It’s common knowledge. If the Jews are such terrorists, say why Amerika invaded Iraq. You apologists make me sick to my stomach.

No spineless apologetics there troll. So what America went there, the musseys went to America. If you're gonna have another sooky lala over that don't cry over your widdle buddies poking the bear and getting biatch slapped for it. Just go back to posting mundane repeated posts and being laughed at.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

But Islam takes the cake in the terrorist stakes.

What do you mean by "takes the cake"?

Please elaborate.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:09pm: But Islam takes the cake in the terrorist stakes. What do you mean by "takes the cake"? Please elaborate.

"something takes the cake"

something is the most extreme example I've known some jerks but you take the cake.
Usage notes: usually said about something bad
See also: cake, take
Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 8:19pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:09pm: But Islam takes the cake in the terrorist stakes. What do you mean by "takes the cake"? Please elaborate. "something takes the cake" something is the most extreme example I've known some jerks but you take the cake. Usage notes: usually said about something bad See also: cake, take Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.

Why does Islam "take the cake" in the terrorist stakes?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 8:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 8:19pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:09pm: But Islam takes the cake in the terrorist stakes. What do you mean by "takes the cake"? Please elaborate. "something takes the cake" something is the most extreme example I've known some jerks but you take the cake. Usage notes: usually said about something bad See also: cake, take Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission. Why does Islam "take the cake" in the terrorist stakes?

I'll let you work that one out groggery try professor google he may do your googling for you.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 10:02pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 8:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 8:19pm: Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:09pm: But Islam takes the cake in the terrorist stakes. What do you mean by "takes the cake"? Please elaborate. "something takes the cake" something is the most extreme example I've known some jerks but you take the cake. Usage notes: usually said about something bad See also: cake, take Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission. Why does Islam "take the cake" in the terrorist stakes? I'll let you work that one out groggery try professor google he may do your googling for you.

edit

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/globe/index.html

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:30pm: ... If Jewish terrorism is so bad, why doesn’t Amerika invade Israel? You tell me that. ... They need an airfield in the Middle East, that's why. Carrier groups are too vulnerable.

I am sure that would come as a surprise to the US Navy which continues to build carriers, Lionel.  As it would be to the PRC and India which are building carriers, along with the UK and France, while we are acquiring carriers (in all but name) ourselves.    ::)

I know.
I meant gwegowypwecowy.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Wow, look at that! Hot Breath has a list of Jewish terrorism that spans 45 years! As a comparison though, it's rather paltry when compared to that of the Isamists in the last MONTH. Try again, you cute li'l thang.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah its a bit of a giggle I have to admit.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 29^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 27th, 2014 at 7:01pm: Wow, look at that! Hot Breath has a list of Jewish terrorism that spans 45 years! As a comparison though, it's rather paltry when compared to that of the Isamists in the last MONTH. Try again, you cute li'l thang.   ;D ;D ;D ;D Yeah its a bit of a giggle I have to admit.

Stop being an apologise for Jewish terrorism.  It's disgusting and you deserve to be deported for it!  Imagine, trying to prevent condemnation of acts of terrorism inspired by this supposed religion of peace!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I see Israeli terrorists have struck again, killing a Palestinian teenager in a tit-for-tat killing for the three Israeli teenagers killed earlier in the week.

Now, that will really bring peace to the Middle-East, now won't it?   :o :o :o :o

There goes another room full of big breasted houri's, laying back on their jewel incrusted couches.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:04am:

I see Israeli terrorists have struck again, killing a Palestinian teenager in a tit-for-tat killing for the three Israeli teenagers killed earlier in the week. Now, that will really bring peace to the Middle-East, now won't it?   :o :o :o :o

Now now, Israelis are not Muslims, and therefore, they are not terrorists.

Please try to keep up with the standards of the forum.

We blame Islam.

Six Jewish Israeli terrorists arrested in connection to murder of Palestinian boy who was burnt to death yet, at the same time,more Israeli terrorists, dressed in police uniforms beat the same boy's cousin unconscious.   Appears the Israelis are still handing out lessons...   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

World Cup Star Cristiano Ronaldo refuse to exchange Jersey with Israel players


Ronaldo said:
“I do not exchange my shirt with ASSASSINS”



This was a phrase used by the Portuguese star Cristiano at a meeting after a friendly playoff between Israel and Portugal before the World Cup.

After the match, an Israeli player removing his shirt offered it to Ronaldo, who refused because he could not agree to wear a jersey on which there was the flag of the State of Israel.

In the locker room when reporters asked him why he had refused to exchange his jersey, he said “I do not exchange my shirt with murderers” 


A Real Euro-star: Cristiano Ronaldo, who became the world’s most expensive footballer when he joined Real Madrid for £80 million from Manchester United, made his full international debut for Portugal in 2003.

This is not the first time the Portuguese star Ronaldo has shown his solidarity with Palestinians, last year he auctioned off his soccer boot in gold, to help Palestinian victims of Israeli bombing.

110 rockets have been fired into Israel over the past 5 days,most of them missed despite a hearty allahu akbar on delivery, it must be God's will they missed.

110 war crimes done by Palestinians in the last week.

www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182557#.U7sERUAymho

Stop being an apologist for these Israeli Jews Baron.  Stop attempting to derail a thread which is discussing Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Interesting, isn't it?

Israel has three teenagers kidnapped, spends weeks looking for them while trying to calm things down. Then discovers, as it expected, three bodies.

By whom? Why, the usual suspects, of course.

Cue reprisals. One teenager killed and another beaten by Jewish fanatics - outside of Government policy and now facing arrest and trial.

Cue reprisals. Hundreds of rockets fired into Israel against both tactical and civilian targets. ISIS is less than 500 miles from its borders.

Israel girds for war.

But it's all the Joooo's fault!!!    ::)

I'll just wait for the dust to settle.

Hopefully it won't spread to saner parts of the world.

The death of these four kids is a tragedy.  That some people on both sides seem to feel this is adequate justification for reprisals against innocent people is terrible.  That some people here feel the need to excuse those reprisals is disgusting.   ::)

I absolutely agree! Totally reprehensible!

Now let's just take a look at who's attempting to find and punish those responsible - and those who are launching multiple  rocket attacks against civilians. While, I might add, risking military responses to such attacks that may result in the unintended consequence of civilian casualties of their own people.

Any guesses on who might be pushing the boundaries of tolerance?

Poke an Israeli and get a bloody nose? Geez, who woulda thunk it!

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

Interesting, isn't it? Israel has three teenagers kidnapped, spends weeks looking for them while trying to calm things down. Then discovers, as it expected, three bodies. By whom? Why, the usual suspects, of course. Cue reprisals. One teenager killed and another beaten by Jewish fanatics - outside of Government policy and now facing arrest and trial. Cue reprisals. Hundreds of rockets fired into Israel against both tactical and civilian targets. ISIS is less than 500 miles from its borders.

I disagree with the Palestinians firing rockets at both tactical and civilian targets........That is BS!

I would say the Palestinians didn't have a clue where the rockets would land, they point it in the general direction chant Allahu Akbar many times and hope Allah guides it for a bit of itbach el yahud.

The Israeli Defence Force is the only military in the area with any balls,they are picking off targets in Syria as muslims enjoy another civil war there.

The Jews are deadly accurate with what they fire,most of the optics in precision weapons are from Israeli technology.
We use the Israeli Litening targeting pod on our FA18,The USA use them as do many other countries.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LITENING

The USA,Australia,UK and many others use Israeli military technology, the colonoscopy and pill cameras used in hospitals were made by the same company.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

I disagree with the Palestinians firing rockets at both tactical and civilian targets........That is BS! I would say the Palestinians didn't have a clue where the rockets would land, they point it in the general direction chant Allahu Akbar many times and hope Allah guides it for a bit of itbach el yahud. The Israeli Defence Force is the only military in the area with any balls,they are picking off targets in Syria as muslims enjoy another civil war there. The Jews are deadly accurate with what they fire,most of the optics in precision weapons are from Israeli technology. We use the Israeli Litening targeting pod on our FA18,The USA use them as do many other countries. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LITENING The USA,Australia,UK and many others use Israeli military technology, the colonoscopy and pill cameras used in hospitals were made by the same company.

Oh, I totally agree. Hamas doesn't care where the rockets actually impact. As long as it kills someone, they'll fire them all day.

My point is, they quite willingly risk retaliation from Israel that is specifically aimed at legitimate military targets, even though such reactions might incur 'collateral damage'. They're quite willing to cop a civilian loss, it makes for good propaganda.

They fight a terrorist war and have the hide to bleat when they incur a few casualties.  :D

Truth be told, they themselves probably blow each other away even more often than the Israelis do.

They should be thankful that they don't have to deal with Golda, though Netanyahu should not be pushed too hard.

Given the lack of 'sack' in Washington these days, Israel might be less inclined to be restrained by US opinion - and that could prove dangerous for trespassers.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:38pm:

I absolutely agree! Totally reprehensible!

Yet you attempt to justify Israeli retaliation which kills children.  You are disgusting and an apologist for Jewish terrorism!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

Yet you attempt to justify Israeli retaliation which kills children. ...

" re·tal·i·a·tion
riˌtalēˈāSHən
noun
the action of returning a military attack; counterattack."

1 for 3?

Both actions committed by fanatics.

Remind me again, just who is attacking who?

Hamas is courting annihilation if they don't soon desist.

And you think they consider their children?

Are you really so biased that you utterly fail to recognise the real truth in this situation?

In any altercation, it's wise to consider the resolve and capability of one's opponent. Relying on the support of 'friends' is not always sound strategy.

Gaza stands at risk of a ground action by Israeli troops. If that happens, there'll be few hidey-holes that won't be missed. No skirts or children to hide behind this time.

Who started it again?   ::)

Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?   :o :o :o :o :o :o

|dev|null wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?   :o :o :o :o :o :o

Terrorism isn’t about body counts, it’s about having beards and balaclavas and looking scary.

That’s why your Muselman is the perfect terrorist - him, and your Antarctic explorer.

Sinister.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?   :o :o :o :o :o :o

Link please.

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Terrorism isn’t about body counts, it’s about having beards and balaclavas and looking scary

You will Shi'ite it in then, been issued with your AK 47 yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?

Could you provide a link, please? About my claim of the ascension of one above the other.

There exists, perhaps, the possibility that the Israelis have killed more than Hamas. After all, Israel is older than Hamas. Perhaps we should look at the numbers instead, and their respective primary motivations. And, perhaps, a time line relative to those killings.

But to presume that those killed were 'innocent' will require more proof than your mere word.

Care to offer it?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 8:23pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:23pm: Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?  Could you provide a link, please? About my claim of the ascension of one above the other.

You imply it in your unequal condemnation only of Palestinians.  You only condemn the Israelis when prodded but are more than willing to condemn the Palestinians.  Ever consider the provocations that Palestinians put up with on a daily basis compared to the Israelis?


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There exists, perhaps, the possibility that the Israelis have killed more than Hamas. After all, Israel is older than Hamas. Perhaps we should look at the numbers instead, and their respective primary motivations. And, perhaps, a time line relative to those killings. But to presume that those killed were 'innocent' will require more proof than your mere word. Care to offer it?

Children and women are generally considered non-combatants by most people.  How can the be guilty of anything if they are not participating in the conflict?   Yet, invariably they figure heavily in the casualty statistics.  Logically, therefore, they are innocent of being anything other than bystanders, caught in the crossfire.    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Adamant wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 6:02pm: Terrorism isn’t about body counts, it’s about having beards and balaclavas and looking scary You will Shi'ite it in then, been issued with your AK 47 yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Drats. I forgot the AK47.

Better strike Antarctic explorers off the list, A.

How about James Bond villains on skis?

Jewish Hate of Arabs Proves: Israel Must Undergo Cultural Revolution

There are no words to describe the horror allegedly done by six Jews to Mohammed Abu Khdeir of Shoafat. Although a gag order bars publication of details of the terrible murder and the identities of its alleged perpetrators, the account of Abu Khdeir’s family — according to which the boy was burned alive — would horrify any mortal. Anyone who is not satisfied with this description, can view the horror movie in which members of Israel’s Border Police are seen brutally beating Tariq Abu Khdeir, the murder victim’s 15-year-old cousin.

The Israel Police was quick to label the murderers “Jewish extremists,” meaning they aren’t part of the herd, they are outliers, “wild weeds.” This is the police’s way of trying to justify a sin, to “make the vermin kosher.” But the vermin is huge, and many-legged. It has embraced the soldiers and other young Israelis who overran the social media networks with calls for revenge and with hatred for Arabs. The vermin was welcomed by Knesset members, rabbis and public figures who demanded revenge. Nor did it skip over the prime minister, who declared “Vengeance for the blood of a small child, Satan has not yet created.”

Abu Khdeir’s murderers are not “Jewish extremists.” They are the descendants and builders of a culture of hate and vengeance that is nurtured and fertilized by the guides of “the Jewish state”: Those for whom every Arab is a bitter enemy, simply because they are Arab; those who were silent at the Beitar Jerusalem games when the team’s fans shouted “death to Arabs” at Arab players; those who call for cleansing the state of its Arab minority, or at least to drive them out of the homes and cities of the Jews.

No less responsible for the murder are those who did not halt, with an iron hand, violence by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian civilians, and who failed to investigate complaints “due to lack of public interest.” The term “Jewish extremists” actually seems more appropriate for the small Jewish minority that is still horrified by these acts of violence and murder. But they too recognize, unfortunately, that they belong to a vengeful, vindictive Jewish tribe whose license to perpetrate horrors is based on the horrors that were done to it.

Prosecuting the murderers is no longer sufficient. There must be a cultural revolution in Israel. Its political leaders and military officers must recognize this injustice and right it. They must begin raising the next generation, at least, on humanist values, and foster a tolerant public discourse. Without these, the Jewish tribe will not be worthy of its own state.

Adamant wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:23pm: Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?   :o :o :o :o :o :o Link please.

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Adamant wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

Adamant wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 7:29pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:23pm: Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?   :o :o :o :o :o :o Link please. Bump

Why?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 8:23pm: Hot Breath wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:23pm: Lionel you'd have us believe the Israelis are so much more civilised than Hamas.  Why, when they kill more innocents than Hamas ever has?  Could you provide a link, please? About my claim of the ascension of one above the other.

OK.

Here's a couple of lists to compare:

Of Palestinian suicide attacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

And Israeli assassinations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

Considering Hamas only formed after it broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood in 1987, they seem to have been operating quite regularly. Israel, as a state, has been around a lot longer than Hamas - but then again, you already knew that, right?

You can do the numbers on the Israeli side yourself, but one thing struck me almost immediately - the lack of collateral damage in Israeli operations. Seems like they operate on 'the head of the snake' principle.

The only reason that Israel still exists in the Middle East is because the of the feuding among the various sects of Muslims. They're too busy in-fighting amongst themselves and attempting to further their own agendas.

Islam as a whole, however, has no difficulty whatsoever in stating it's own aims and agenda.

Israel will continue to contest the Golan Heights, in a conventional war, because to surrender them is national suicide. Then we all face the Samson Option.

It all seems so silly to me. Picking a fight with the Israelis is like teasing a junk-yard dog on a chain - if that chain breaks .......            :o

An act of Terrorism is still an act of Terrorism, no matter who commits it, Lionel.  The Israelis have used terror as a tactic to terrify their opponents, just as Hamas, Hizballah and other Islamic Terrorist organisations.   Yet, as usual, Israel gets let off the hook and we have apologists who attempt to obscure and excuse their acts of Terrorism.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

An act of Terrorism is still an act of Terrorism, no matter who commits it, Lionel. ...

Oh, I quite agree.


Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

... The Israelis have used terror as a tactic to terrify their opponents, just as Hamas, Hizballah and other Islamic Terrorist organisations. ...

Now, now, Brian. There would appear to be a great deal of difference in their methodologies. The Israelis, while employing 'terrorist' tactics, seem to prefer the 'surgical strike' rather than indiscriminate bombings that injure large numbers of the innocent.


Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

... Yet, as usual, Israel gets let off the hook and we have apologists who attempt to obscure and excuse their acts of Terrorism.

I rather hope that you're not qualifying me, least of all as an apologist.  ::)

While I don't condone the sometimes bloody actions of Israeli operatives, I can at least recognise the difference between retaliation and provocation. Those that provoke retaliation should not be surprised when they receive it, in my humble opinion.

Tell me, Brian, why Israel should not be, and remain, sensitive of provocation by Islamists - of whatever stripe?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:11pm: An act of Terrorism is still an act of Terrorism, no matter who commits it, Lionel. ... Oh, I quite agree.

Except it seems when it's the Israelis?  ::)


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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:11pm: ... The Israelis have used terror as a tactic to terrify their opponents, just as Hamas, Hizballah and other Islamic Terrorist organisations. ... Now, now, Brian. There would appear to be a great deal of difference in their methodologies. The Israelis, while employing 'terrorist' tactics, seem to prefer the 'surgical strike' rather than indiscriminate bombings that injure large numbers of the innocent.

Murder is still murder whether the victim is smothered or their throat is cut, Lionel.  We are discussing a criminal act and the moral revulsion towards it that civilised people feel, not how it occurred or why or where.  Stop attempting to excuse and apologise for it.   ::)


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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:11pm: ... Yet, as usual, Israel gets let off the hook and we have apologists who attempt to obscure and excuse their acts of Terrorism.  I rather hope that you're not qualifying me, least of all as an apologist.  ::)

If the cap fits...

I am using the same logic which so many here display when discussing Islamic Terrorism, Lionel.   If it's good for the goose, it must be good for the gander as well!   ::)


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While I don't condone the sometimes bloody actions of Israeli operatives, I can at least recognise the difference between retaliation and provocation. Those that provoke retaliation should not be surprised when they receive it, in my humble opinion.

So, Israel never engages in provocation, Lionel?  Really, yet one of your own sources lists several episodes of it.  Are you contradicting your own source?  We have the recent example of the Palestinian teenager, burnt to death.   As HB suggested, "now that will really calm things down, now won't it"...   ::)


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Tell me, Brian, why Israel should not be, and remain, sensitive of provocation by Islamists - of whatever stripe?

Perhaps you'd care to explain why Palestinians must remain insensitive to the provocations of the Israelis?

If it is criminal for one side to engage in Terrorism, then it must, ipso facto be criminal for all sides to engage in it, Lionel.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

... If it is criminal for one side to engage in Terrorism, then it must, ipso facto be criminal for all sides to engage in it, Lionel.

As I said, I quite agree.

It's the methodology I disagree with.

Here's the Israeli method of using a human shield:

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/lioneledriess/Humanshields-Israelistyle_zps4e32e5ac.jpg


One on One was the way I was taught and always behaved. What's wrong with that?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:56pm: ... If it is criminal for one side to engage in Terrorism, then it must, ipso facto be criminal for all sides to engage in it, Lionel. As I said, I quite agree. It's the methodology I disagree with.

Still attempting to be an apologist for the Israelis?

The only difference I see between an Islamic bomb and an Israeli bomb is the guidance system, Lionel.   Innocent people still end up dead.

Here is a Palestinian human shield BTW:

http://sydwalker.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/palestinian_woman_israeli_soldier-300x207.jpg

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/10/03/rami.jpg

Looks to me like they care about their children too, Lionel...  ::)

Israel is a sovereign country, a member of the UN, recognised by ALL democracies.

It is fully entitled to defend its citizens. And it does defend its citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian.


Israel is a real country, with real people. There is no undoing that. Recognise it, live with it, work with it.

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Israel is a sovereign country, a member of the UN, recognised by ALL democracies. It is fully entitled to defend its citizens. And it does defend its citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian. Israel is a real country, with real people. There is no undoing that. Recognise it, live with it, work with it.

Couldn't agree more, Soren.  The problem is that the Palestinians have genuine aspirations to creating their own nation and those cannot be ignored either.  Somehow, the two must be reconciled.  It is a shame though, that the Israelis are so unwilling to compromise and attempt to live in peace with their neighbours.  The expansion of the state of Israel is a fact which cannot be ignored.  It has added considerable territory and is attempting through colonisation of the West Bank to ethnically cleanse the region of its inhabitants.  This sort of thing is, as several US Presidents have mentioned, "not acceptable" where it occurs elsewhere (Balkans, Kuwait, etc.) yet it seems the US Government largely condones it where the Israelis are concerned.  ::)

I have long maintained that the Palestinians need to recognise the validity of UN Resolution 181 if they wish the rest of the world to recognise the validity of all the other UN Resolutions which are critical of Israel in it's treatment of the Palestinians.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:12am:

Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 9:10pm: Israel is a sovereign country, a member of the UN, recognised by ALL democracies. It is fully entitled to defend its citizens. And it does defend its citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian. Israel is a real country, with real people. There is no undoing that. Recognise it, live with it, work with it. Couldn't agree more, Soren.  The problem is that the Palestinians have genuine aspirations to creating their own nation and those cannot be ignored either.  Somehow, the two must be reconciled.  It is a shame though, that the Israelis are so unwilling to compromise and attempt to live in peace with their neighbours.  The expansion of the state of Israel is a fact which cannot be ignored.  It has added considerable territory and is attempting through colonisation of the West Bank to ethnically cleanse the region of its inhabitants.  This sort of thing is, as several US Presidents have mentioned, "not acceptable" where it occurs elsewhere (Balkans, Kuwait, etc.) yet it seems the US Government largely condones it where the Israelis are concerned.  ::) I have long maintained that the Palestinians need to recognise the validity of UN Resolution 181 if they wish the rest of the world to recognise the validity of all the other UN Resolutions which are critical of Israel in it's treatment of the Palestinians.

Thanks, Brain, but you are talking utter nonsense with deadly good intentions.

Israel compromised on the day it was created.
It compromised at every turn ever since.

The Palestinians,  and the wider Arab region that has sacrificed the Palestinians, have never compromised.


Israel's right to exist has never been recognised by the Arabs. It is a quarter of the size of Tasmania. The Arabs can't bring themselves to recognising it because that is against Koranic teachings. The Jews will not give it up because it is the Jewish homeland and after the holocaust, it is 'never again' for the Jews.

The Arabs are stupid to an astonishing degree. Having such a dynamic county in the middle of the Arab world would be their ticket out of poverty and backwardness. But they fight it instead.


If you look at Europe, there have been many more people displaced after centuries of wars. They get on with their lives. Not the Arabs.

I blame Islam. You blame Israel.i

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:12am: Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 9:10pm: Israel is a sovereign country, a member of the UN, recognised by ALL democracies. It is fully entitled to defend its citizens. And it does defend its citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian. Israel is a real country, with real people. There is no undoing that. Recognise it, live with it, work with it. Couldn't agree more, Soren.  The problem is that the Palestinians have genuine aspirations to creating their own nation and those cannot be ignored either.  Somehow, the two must be reconciled.  It is a shame though, that the Israelis are so unwilling to compromise and attempt to live in peace with their neighbours.  The expansion of the state of Israel is a fact which cannot be ignored.  It has added considerable territory and is attempting through colonisation of the West Bank to ethnically cleanse the region of its inhabitants.  This sort of thing is, as several US Presidents have mentioned, "not acceptable" where it occurs elsewhere (Balkans, Kuwait, etc.) yet it seems the US Government largely condones it where the Israelis are concerned.  ::) I have long maintained that the Palestinians need to recognise the validity of UN Resolution 181 if they wish the rest of the world to recognise the validity of all the other UN Resolutions which are critical of Israel in it's treatment of the Palestinians. Thanks, Brain, but you are talking utter nonsense with deadly good intentions. Israel compromised on the day it was created.

Really?  How?


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It compromised at every turn ever since.

This is why it is still building colonies in the West Bank?  This is why it is condoning the actions of those colonists when they attempt to ethnically cleanse that region?  This is why it has steadily expanded it's territory way beyond the borders of 1948 which UN General Assembly Resolution 181 established?   Soren, you, like the Zionists in Israel have an odd definition of the word "compromise".   Eretz Israel is their dream.  Unfortunately it can only occur at the expense of the Palestinians.   ::)


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The Palestinians,  and the wider Arab region that has sacrificed the Palestinians, have never compromised.

This is why Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties and maintain the right of Israel to exist as a nation?   This is why the PA has abandoned its non-acceptance of the right of Israel to exist?  This is why the PLO has basically stopped attacking Israel?  Funny sort of non-compromise, Soren.  Again, I'd suggest you need to reacquaint yourself with what the word means...   ::)


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Israel's right to exist has never been recognised by the Arabs.

Really?   ::) ::)

Time you caught up with modern history, Soren.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:56pm: ... If it is criminal for one side to engage in Terrorism, then it must, ipso facto be criminal for all sides to engage in it, Lionel. As I said, I quite agree. It's the methodology I disagree with. Still attempting to be an apologist for the Israelis? The only difference I see between an Islamic bomb and an Israeli bomb is the guidance system, Lionel.   Innocent people still end up dead. Here is a Palestinian human shield BTW: http://sydwalker.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/palestinian_woman_israeli_soldier-300x207.jpg http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/10/03/rami.jpg Looks to me like they care about their children too, Lionel...  ::)

And here you are being an Islamic apologist pretending a human shield for someone firing a rocket is some family member protecting their kids  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The difference in guidance systems for the low in intellect is the Israeli one stops if the other one does.

Get a grip clown.  :D

This jew uses his government payed position to support the israeli terrorists.


Jewish leader Vic Alhadeff slammed over Hamas 'war crimes' remark

Premier Mike Baird has publicly reprimanded the chair of the NSW Community Relations Commission, Vic Alhadeff, over “inappropriate” remarks that accuse Palestine of war crimes and appear to gloss over Israeli violence.

But critics say the rebuke to Mr Alhadeff, who is also chief executive of the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies, does not go far enough and say he should be removed from the government-appointed position.

The dispute has laid bare the deep fissures between Sydney’s Arabic and Jewish communities, and raises questions over Mr Alhadeff’s dual roles, which require him to both support the Jewish cause and promote community unity.

But Mr Alhadeff says he has “worked tirelessly with leaders across the Muslim and Arab communities” and “I stand on my track record of sowing harmony ... in NSW”.
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In an email to members of the Jewish community this week, Mr Alhadeff condemned acts by Palestinian militant Islamist group Hamas during conflict ignited by the murders of three Israeli students last month.

The incidents triggered a suspected reprisal killing of a Palestinian teenager, followed by riots in East Jerusalem and the exchange of rockets between Israel and Gaza.

Mr Alhadeff's email, titled “Israel Under Fire”, criticised the “Hamas terror organisation” for launching rockets on Israeli towns, saying families had been forced into shelters and “children kept from summer camp”.

Israel would “do whatever is needed to defend its citizens. All options are on the table”, he said.

He accused Hamas of “war crimes” for “indiscriminately” attacking civilians, claiming in contrast, Israel uses “care to avoid civilian casualties” and “pinpoint technologies to hit the targeted infrastructure”.

The statement triggered outrage amongst Arab leaders in NSW, including Joseph Wakim, former Victorian Multicultural Affairs Commissioner and founder of the Australian Arabic Council, who described the views as “biased and provocative”.

He said Mr Alhadeff ignored the attack on the Palestinian teenager and failed to mention “air and sea strikes that have already killed 35 Palestinian civilians”.

“He has very clearly taken one side and said ‘here are the goodies and here are the baddies’,” Mr Wakim said.

“Do such statements build bridges and community relations, or wedge a wall between us and them?”

Mr Wakim said Mr Alhadeff’s appointment to the Community Relations Commission in December last year “should never have happened” because it created a serious conflict of interest. He called on Mr Alhadeff to relinquish one role.

A spokesman for Premier Mike Baird said Mr Alhadeff “has done an excellent job” as CRC chair but his statement "may be considered inconsistent” with promoting community harmony.

“[Mr Alhadeff] has acknowledged the need to focus on issues in NSW and avoid using inappropriate language regarding overseas conflicts,” the spokesman said.

He added: “Few people have done more to promote inter-faith engagement and understanding between the Jewish and Muslim communities in NSW than Mr Alhadeff".

Mr Alhadeff said he frequently spoke out to condemn racism against the Muslim community and “worked tirelessly with leaders across the Muslim and Arab communities”.

“Despite occasionally differing views on issues, surely we all share a determination to live peacefully and harmoniously together in a tolerant and inclusive NSW,” he said.

“The role of the CRC Chair is to fight racism, promote multiculturalism and ensure community harmony. This is what I have done passionately and will continue to do.”

Lebanese Muslim Association president Samier Dandan said Mr Alhadeff had “helped the Muslim community” in his role as chairman, such as contributing to establishing an Australian Muslim community foster care program.

"My engagement with Vic … has been a very positive engagement," Mr Dandan said.

But he cautioned that while Mr Alhadeff was entitled to a political opinion "he needs to be conscious, in his role as CRC chair, of only saying things that are very positive".

In a statement, co-convenors of the NSW Parliamentary Friends of Palestine, Labor

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:31pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:56pm: ... If it is criminal for one side to engage in Terrorism, then it must, ipso facto be criminal for all sides to engage in it, Lionel. As I said, I quite agree. It's the methodology I disagree with. Still attempting to be an apologist for the Israelis? The only difference I see between an Islamic bomb and an Israeli bomb is the guidance system, Lionel.   Innocent people still end up dead. Here is a Palestinian human shield BTW: http://sydwalker.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/palestinian_woman_israeli_soldier-300x207.jpg http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/10/03/rami.jpg Looks to me like they care about their children too, Lionel...  ::) And here you are being an Islamic apologist pretending a human shield for someone firing a rocket is some family member protecting their kids  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm sorry, I can't see any rockets in those two pictures, could you please point them out?   I see a lady protecting two children against the possibility of an Israeli soldier shooting them and a man desperately trying to protect his son who was being shot at and was eventually shot by a big brave Israeli soldier.  So, where are the rockets? 


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The difference in guidance systems for the low in intellect is the Israeli one stops if the other one does.

Yet it still builds new settlements in the Occupied Territories, which in turn provokes the rocket firing.  Amazing how you don't see cause and effect.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D


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Get a grip clown.  :D

Looks like you have one already on your dick.  I'd recommend that you stop choking yourself though.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

allah must be worn out making hooks to hang women up by their breasts over his hellfires, the majority of people in allah's hell are women, who allah causes to go astray, then he tends the hellfires he hangs them over (according to hadi'th and quran)

Then he has to round up all those rooms full of big breasted houris, to lay back on their couches and wait for the best of all muslims (male muslims who slay and are slain) to enter paradise and cavort with said houris and little boys with eyes like pearls.

Oh well allah can be thankful he's got muslims and their apologists sucking up to him, that should make him feel better.

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

allah must be worn out making hooks to hang women up by their breasts over his hellfires, the majority of people in allah's hell are women, who allah causes to go astray, then he tends the hellfires he hangs them over (according to hadi'th and quran) Then he has to round up all those rooms full of big breasted houris, to lay back on their couches and wait for the best of all muslims (male muslims who slay and are slain) to enter paradise and cavort with said houris and little boys with eyes like pearls. Oh well allah can be thankful he's got muslims and their apologists sucking up to him, that should make him feel better.

What has this to do with Jewish Terrorism?  Stop being an apologist for this appalling behavior!!!!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

I'm sympathizing with allah's work load as his devotees get knocked off by those terrible jooos, who kill muslims, allah's chosen people.

You and all other muslim lackeys must get the message out there, muslims are the very epitome of love and peace, jooos are terrorists.

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

I'm sympathizing with allah's work load as his devotees get knocked off by those terrible jooos, who kill muslims, allah's chosen people. You and all other muslim lackeys must get the message out there, muslims are the very epitome of love and peace, jooos are terrorists.

Some Muslims, some Jews support Terrorism.  Always with the absolutes, Moses.  Must be a very, very, very, black and white world you live in.  Stopped beating your wife lately?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

I'm sympathizing with allah's work load as his devotees get knocked off by those terrible jooos, who kill muslims, allah's chosen people. You and all other muslim lackeys must get the message out there, muslims are the very epitome of love and peace, jooos are terrorists.

As a christian moses, what do you think of these?

A JEW MUST ALWAYS TRY TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Zohar (I, 160a) it says:
"Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Chezkia]: 'He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel, and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them. 'Rabbi Chezkia asked, 'How must we fight against them?' Rabbi Jehuda said, 'By wise counsel thou shalt war against them' (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6). By what  kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau - by deceit and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them.

A SICK CHRISTIAN MUST NOT BE AIDED
In Iore Dea (158, 1) it says:
"The Akum are not to be cured, even for money, unless it would incur their enmity."

A JEW MUST NEVER ACT IN ANY WAY LIKE A CHRISTIAN
In Iore Dea (178, 1) it says:
"It is not permitted to imitate the customs of the Akum, nor to act like them. Nor is it permitted to wear clothes like the Akum, not to comb the hair as they do...neither must Jews build houses that look like temples of the Akum."
Since, however, it is not possible to observe all these rules in every place, the Hagah says that they can be overlooked to a certain extent when, for instance, it is to the advantage of the Jew to do so; for example, if a Jew would profit by a trade which requires a certain kind of dress

A JEW MUST NOT RETURN THE GREETINGS OF A CHRISTIAN
In Iore Dea (148, 10) it says:
"A Jew must not return the greeting of a Christian by bowing before him. It is good, therefore, to salute him first and so avoid having to answer him back if the Akum salutes him first."
Rabbi Kohana says that when a Jew salutes a Christian he should say "Peace to my Lord," but intend this for his own Rabbi. For the Tosephtoth says: "For his heart was turned towards his own Rabbi."

IT IS FORBIDDEN TO TEACH A TRADE TO CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (154, 2) it says:
"It is not permitted to teach any trade to the Akum."

The joos had absolutely no right to defend themselves against muslims in the 1948 and 1968 wars. They had absolutely no right to hold territory they captured from the invading muslim enemy in those wars.

The joos have absolutely no right to take action against islamic terrorism.

The joos absolutely must roll over and let allah's chosen people  exterminate them.

Now it's time you muslims and your spinless lackeys the apologists, revealed to the world how todays' muslim is a shining example of peace, love and tolerance. (A lot of people probably won't believe you) but tell them anyway, after all, we all know the joos are the terrorists.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Here is a Palestinian human shield BTW: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/10/03/rami.jpg

How can he be a human shield when that was a staged incident?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah_incident

Lots a bullshit propaganda from muslims when it comes to the Yahud,they were caught telling lies about so called war crimes here as well-
www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:31pm: Here is a Palestinian human shield BTW: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/10/03/rami.jpg How can he be a human shield when that was a staged incident? www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah_incident

Yet the boy died and his father was sheltering him from fire. 

Yet again making excuses and being an apologist for Israeli terrorism!  Absolutely disgusting!  Oh, the inhumanity and the uncivilised behaviour of some here!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

Israel is a sovereign country, a member of the UN, recognised by ALL democracies. It is fully entitled to defend its citizens. And it does defend its citizens, Jewish, Muslim, Christian. Israel is a real country, with real people. There is no undoing that. Recognise it, live with it, work with it.

I say, old boy, do you say the same about the state of Palestine at your Lutheran prayer meetings?

I’m curious.

Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis

ammatory remarks by the musician Roger Waters, formerly of Pink Floyd, comparing the modern Israeli state to Nazi Germany have put him at the centre of a furious dispute.

Performers and religious figures reacted angrily to the veteran rock star's argument that Israeli treatment of the Palestinians can be compared to the atrocities of Nazi Germany. "The parallels with what went on in the 1930s in Germany are so crushingly obvious," he said in an American online interview last week.

Waters, 70, a well-known supporter of the Palestinian cause, has frequently defended himself against accusations that he is antisemitic, claiming he has a right to urge fellow artists to boycott Israel.

This summer he was criticised for using a pig-shaped balloon adorned with Jewish symbols, including a Star of David, as one part of the stage effects at his concerts. Waters countered that it was just one of several religious and political symbols in the show and not an attempt to single out Judaism as an evil force.

Now leading American thinker Rabbi Shmuley Boteach has raised the stakes by describing Waters' views as audacious and clearly antisemitic.

Writing in the New York Observer, the rabbi said: "Mr Waters, the Nazis were a genocidal regime that murdered six million Jews. That you would have the audacity to compare Jews to monsters who murdered them shows you have no decency, you have no heart, you have no soul." The rabbi was responding to Waters's latest comments on the Middle East. Speaking to the leftwing CounterPunch magazine, the musician criticised the US government for being unduly influenced by the Israeli "propaganda machine".

Female Israel soldiers faking injuries for TV News

https://twitter.com/Za1d/status/487887877297016833/photo/1


Jews cheering when Planes hit 911 twin towers

http://12160.info/photo/five-dancing-israelis-our-purpose-was-to-document-the-event

Jewish extremists in france attack pro palestinian protestors

Jewish vigilantes brandishing iron bars and cans of pepper spray took to the streets of Paris to attack pro-Palestinian demonstrators, it emerged today. (Tuesday)

Shocking images shot in the French capital at the weekend show around 150 mainly young men chanting racist slogans as they went on the rampage.

It came as President Francois Hollande warned that he did not want to see 'the Israeli-Palestinian conflict imported into France.'

French Jewish groups have complained about an increase in anti-Semitism in recent months, with many accusing Muslim youths of targeting them.

But a video shot close to the Place de la Bastille on Sunday, and verified by police before being posted on YouTube, suggests that the pro-Israel groups are in fact taking the law into their own hands.

It will cause concern in moderate Jewish communities around Europe, especially in Britain, where the Israeli bombardments of Palestinians in Gaza have come in for huge criticism.

While security guards are regularly used to defend synagogues and other Jewish sites in cities like London, vigilante groups would be banned.

In Paris, CRS riot police do not make a single arrest among the Jewish gang, thought to be linked to the extremist Jewish Defence League (LDJ), despite them openly fighting in broad daylight.

Members can be heard chanting '****-you Palestine' as they smash up chairs and metal tables to be used as missiles.

Gas canisters, pepper spray, metal bars and wooden sticks are used by the vigilantes, some of whom are wearing crash helmets.

They run through the streets towards pro-Palestinian demonstrators, and skirmishes break out while the police stand by.

When the gang runs back towards police lines, there is no attempt to arrest any of them.

In contrast, pro-Palestinian demonstrators were later accused of trying to break into synagogues, and six of them were arrested.

Alexis Bachelay, a Paris MP for the ruling Socialist party, said: 'There has evidently been a media manipulation about who really got assaulted.

'These are extremely serious facts that need to be investigated thoroughly by the police. It is not the first time that young French people of Muslim origin are stigmatised by the media.

'French people of Muslim origin should be protected by the law when demonstrating. They should not be attacked by radical groups like the LDJ'.

In turn, local Jewish community leader Joel Mergei, accused anti-Israel protestors of reaching a 'new low'.

An LDJ source insisted that the gang members pictured were 'defending' the Jewish community in Paris.

wally1 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

Jewish extremists in france attack pro palestinian protestors Jewish vigilantes brandishing iron bars and cans of pepper spray took to the streets of Paris to attack pro-Palestinian demonstrators, it emerged today. (Tuesday) Shocking images shot in the French capital at the weekend show around 150 mainly young men chanting racist slogans as they went on the rampage. It came as President Francois Hollande warned that he did not want to see 'the Israeli-Palestinian conflict imported into France.' French Jewish groups have complained about an increase in anti-Semitism in recent months, with many accusing Muslim youths of targeting them. But a video shot close to the Place de la Bastille on Sunday, and verified by police before being posted on YouTube, suggests that the pro-Israel groups are in fact taking the law into their own hands. It will cause concern in moderate Jewish communities around Europe, especially in Britain, where the Israeli bombardments of Palestinians in Gaza have come in for huge criticism. While security guards are regularly used to defend synagogues and other Jewish sites in cities like London, vigilante groups would be banned. In Paris, CRS riot police do not make a single arrest among the Jewish gang, thought to be linked to the extremist Jewish Defence League (LDJ), despite them openly fighting in broad daylight. Members can be heard chanting '****-you Palestine' as they smash up chairs and metal tables to be used as missiles. Gas canisters, pepper spray, metal bars and wooden sticks are used by the vigilantes, some of whom are wearing crash helmets. They run through the streets towards pro-Palestinian demonstrators, and skirmishes break out while the police stand by. When the gang runs back towards police lines, there is no attempt to arrest any of them. In contrast, pro-Palestinian demonstrators were later accused of trying to break into synagogues, and six of them were arrested. Alexis Bachelay, a Paris MP for the ruling Socialist party, said: 'There has evidently been a media manipulation about who really got assaulted. 'These are extremely serious facts that need to be investigated thoroughly by the police. It is not the first time that young French people of Muslim origin are stigmatised by the media. 'French people of Muslim origin should be protected by the law when demonstrating. They should not be attacked by radical groups like the LDJ'. In turn, local Jewish community leader Joel Mergei, accused anti-Israel protestors of reaching a 'new low'. An LDJ source insisted that the gang members pictured were 'defending' the Jewish community in Paris.

Have they decided, after the muslims murdered a few of them to "fight back" shock horror!

Don't worry about the legal aspect of what you have posted Gandalf's got heaps of back shish he can afford it.

You don't need to be an extremist to attack  pro palestinian protestors that fire rockets into your community from civilian areas.

Mossad Chief predicted “three teens will be kidnapped” one week before it happened

Every time the Israeli government finds itself in a jam, its enemies rush in to save it. Or so we are supposed to believe.

The pattern is unmistakeable: The US is leaning on Israel to freeze or dismantle settlements…and suddenly a suicide bomb goes off.  The international community has Israel up against a wall…another bomb goes off. Argentina’s Jewish community starts turning anti-Zionist…and the Israeli embassy and Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires get blown up.

Today, the whole world is recognizing and applauding Palestine’s new coalition government featuring the newly-reconciled PLA and Hamas. Israel is going crazy, screaming about the “evil Hamas terrorists.” Suddenly three Israeli teens are allegedly kidnapped. Israel blames Hamas, and initiates a brutal crackdown in the West Bank.

But Hamas had nothing to gain, and everything to lose, from pulling off this kind of kidnapping. The only beneficiary is Israel, which wants to delegitimize the Palestinian coalition government. The situation fairly screams “false flag!”

Now it has emerged that the head of the Israeli Mossad actually “called” the kidnapping a week in advance! Haaretz just reported:

Mossad chief’s chillingly prescient kidnap prophecy

Ten days ago, Tamir Pardo outlined a scenario that was spookily similar to the kidnapping of three teens missing in the West Bank since Thursday.

By Barak Ravid

Ten days ago, at a security cabinet meeting, Mossad Chief Tamir Pardo outlined a scenario spookily similar to the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens missing since Thursday night… “What will you do if in a week three 14-year-old girls will be kidnapped from one of the settlements?,”  he asked. “Will you say there is a law, and we don’t release terrorists?”

So Tamir Pardo has just won a place for himself in the False Flag prognosticators’ Hall of Fame alongside:

*Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Cambone, Cohen, Kagan, Kristol, Libby, Rosen, Shulsky, and other PNAC-ers who called for a New Pearl Harbor in September, 2000 and got it exactly one year later.

*Philip Zelikow, who published a 1998 article in Foreign Affairs speculating on the psychological, political and cultural consequences of a massive Pearl Harbor style attack on America such as the destruction of the World Trade Center.

*Nick Rockefeller, who prior to 9/11 told Aaron Russo “there’s going to be an event” that would send America to war and usher in a National Security State of Emergency.

*Peter Power, the head of Visor Consultants, who confessed that the 7/7 London bombings perfectly mimicked a terror exercise that envisioned bombs going off in the four exact same locations at the exact same times that the real bombs went off.

99% certain Israel responsible for kidnapping and murder of three Jewish Youths

Israeli newspaper, Haaretz just reported: Mossad chief’s chillingly prescient kidnap prophecy.

Kevin Barrett, Veterans Today Editor in his article titled “Smoking gun proof of “Israeli teen kidnapping” false flag” writes Mossad Chief predicted “three teens will be kidnapped” one week before it happened.

Israel has a proven track record of false flag operations causing death and destruction to their “allies and supporters”. Yet we never hear about any of this in the main stream media. When a terrorist act is committed, this false flag history of the Israelis is never brought up as a possibility to consider. If we are going to be intelligent people and truly find the real culprits, shouldn’t we look at all possibilities and learn from the lessons from the past? As the old saying goes, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME!”

Instead of doing this, the first thing we hear from our leaders and without any evidence are “Al-Qaeda”, “Muslim terrorists”, etc. When at the same time Israelis have been caught attempting to frame Muslims numerous times using their intelligence agency, Mossad. The Boss of Mossad Tamir Pardo predicted “the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers who study in a West Bank yeshiva north of Hebron” one week before it happened. Mossad is short for HaMossad leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim with its Motto “By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War.” The motto of Israel’s spy agency, Mossad, is, according to recently defected Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky: “By way of deception thou shalt do war.”

That motto describes more than the modus operandi of the world’s most ruthless and feared organization of professional assassins and espionage agents; it really describes the modus vivendi of an entire race. It is necessary to understand that fact before one can hope to understand fully the role of the Jews in national and world affairs. The concept of a race eternally at war with the rest of the world is alien to us. It is difficult to believe or even to grasp. When we examine such a concept and begin sifting the evidence it is easy to become confused. On the one hand we have the Old Testament injunctions to the Hebrews from their tribal god, speaking through their prophets, to annihilate every Gentile nation over which they gain power:

“And thou shalt consume all the peoples which the Lord thy God shall deliver unto thee; thine eye shall not pity them…thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.” (Deuteronomy 7:16, 20:16). That is why the ZIONISTS ALWAYS DO EVERYTHING BY WAY OF DECEPTION and Facts speak for themselves correctly and objectively that the Zionists are experts at propaganda, disinformation, denying facts and outright lying. THEY ARE ALSO EXPERT AT LYING TO EACH OTHER!

The boogerman is under your bed too and he is Jewish  ;D ;D ;D

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:37pm:

The boogerman is under your bed too and he is Jewish  ;D ;D ;D

Must be crowded under there with all your Muslim ones, Matty.   ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:37pm: The boogerman is under your bed too and he is Jewish  ;D ;D ;D Must be crowded under there with all your Muslim ones, Matty.   ;D

Why would I have muslim boogermen under wallys bed brain.

You make no sense as usual.  ;D

All the Jews and Christians conspiring all the world wide terrorism again brain toss must scare him and wally  ;D ;D ;D

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:37pm: The boogerman is under your bed too and he is Jewish  ;D ;D ;D Must be crowded under there with all your Muslim ones, Matty.   ;D Why would I have muslim boogermen under wallys bed brain. You make no sense as usual.  ;D

Must be hard for you, Matty.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:43pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:38pm: Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:37pm: The boogerman is under your bed too and he is Jewish  ;D ;D ;D Must be crowded under there with all your Muslim ones, Matty.   ;D Why would I have muslim boogermen under wallys bed brain. You make no sense as usual.  ;D Must be hard for you, Matty.

Given the fact you haven't contributed one sensible post yet. I'd say it must be hard for you champ.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 2:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:31pm: Here is a Palestinian human shield BTW: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/10/03/rami.jpg How can he be a human shield when that was a staged incident? www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah_incident Yet the boy died and his father was sheltering him from fire.

The evidence points to this being a hoax, of course gullible Islamic apologists bought it hook line and sinker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3geiT77mlY4

When the Turks tried to break a military blockade of a declared conflict zone do you think it was wise for them to attack Israeli soldiers, do you think it is wise to break a military blockade of a declared conflict zone??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg

Do you think atheists in the middle east respect useful idiots like you, how does life under jewish rule compare to Islamic rule?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_604fvjg_Sw

Yes, Baron it's all a conspiracy.  Why are you an apologist for Jewish terrorism?  Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  It seems you believe that the Israelis never, ever commit atrocities or cruelties.  So what is your excuse for this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyx_wX___Y4

wally1 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

99% certain Israel responsible for kidnapping and murder of three Jewish Youths

That is your stupid slant, that '99%'.

Anyway, why/how was it in Israel's interest to kill three Jewish boys in order to end the years of relative peace?


How does Israel benefit from this?


On the other hand, Hamas benefits by getting Gaza under retaliatory attack and so spreading the mayhem emanating from their masters, the Muslim Brotherhood, recently booted in Egypt?

Please explain.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 9:29pm:

How does Israel benefit from this?

Further justification for their ethnic cleansing of the Occupied Territories?   Further justification for their apartheid policies towards the Palestinians?   Time you pulled your head out of your nether regions Soren and woke up to just how guilty the Israelis are in this whole cycle of violence and hatred.  Problem is, you never will 'cause your bigotry towards anybody Muslim is too obvious.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:29pm: How does Israel benefit from this? Further justification for their ethnic cleansing of the Occupied Territories?   Further justification for their apartheid policies towards the Palestinians?   Time you pulled your head out of your nether regions Soren and woke up to just how guilty the Israelis are in this whole cycle of violence and hatred.  Problem is, you never will 'cause your bigotry towards anybody Muslim is too obvious.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

The Palestinians kidnapped 3 kids and killed them. What was the point of that?? Did the Palestinians do that to assist Israel with what you says are Israel's interests?


You also forgot address the other half of the issue:
On the other hand, Hamas benefits by getting Gaza under retaliatory attack and so spreading the mayhem emanating from their masters, the Muslim Brotherhood, recently booted in Egypt?

Please explain.

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 11:44am: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 9:29pm: How does Israel benefit from this? Further justification for their ethnic cleansing of the Occupied Territories?   Further justification for their apartheid policies towards the Palestinians?   Time you pulled your head out of your nether regions Soren and woke up to just how guilty the Israelis are in this whole cycle of violence and hatred.  Problem is, you never will 'cause your bigotry towards anybody Muslim is too obvious.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D The Palestinians kidnapped 3 kids and killed them. What was the point of that?? Did the Palestinians do that to assist Israel with what you says are Israel's interests?

Perhaps they did it, as often happens to deliberately provoke an Israeli reaction and so further entrench Hamas' control over Gaza?  Israel of course did exactly as was expected - some Jewish Terrorists kidnapped an innocent Palestinean kid and burnt him to death and then started bombing the crap out of some other, innocent Palestinians using their massive military machine.


Quote:

You also forgot address the other half of the issue: On the other hand, Hamas benefits by getting Gaza under retaliatory attack and so spreading the mayhem emanating from their masters, the Muslim Brotherhood, recently booted in Egypt? Please explain.

Why bother, you worked it out.  Of course assuming that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt controls Hamas, which it doesn't but then all Muslims are like the Borg to you.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Not really all muslims are muslims. The followers of a Pedophile warlord mohammed. Are there different types ?  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Hello Matty.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for the compliment grandlaf  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 12:00pm: The Palestinians kidnapped 3 kids and killed them. What was the point of that?? Did the Palestinians do that to assist Israel with what you says are Israel's interests? Perhaps they did it, as often happens to deliberately provoke an Israeli reaction and so further entrench Hamas' control over Gaza?  Israel of course did exactly as was expected - some Jewish Terrorists kidnapped an innocent Palestinean kid and burnt him to death and then started bombing the crap out of some other, innocent Palestinians using their massive military machine.

Hello?!?!
It seems to escape you completely that none of this would have happened if the three Jewish kids were left alone by the Palestinians. For you the story starts with Israle's reaction.

This is typical of the Pallo arse-coverers. It's always 'never mind the bollocks, this is the sex pistols' - it's always about Israel's response to provocation, never about the murderous Pallo provocation.

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 1:09pm: Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 12:00pm: The Palestinians kidnapped 3 kids and killed them. What was the point of that?? Did the Palestinians do that to assist Israel with what you says are Israel's interests? Perhaps they did it, as often happens to deliberately provoke an Israeli reaction and so further entrench Hamas' control over Gaza?  Israel of course did exactly as was expected - some Jewish Terrorists kidnapped an innocent Palestinean kid and burnt him to death and then started bombing the crap out of some other, innocent Palestinians using their massive military machine. Hello?!?! It seems to escape you completely that none of this would have happened if the three Jewish kids were left alone by the Palestinians. For you the story starts with Israle's reaction.

Some Palestinians chose to kill those three kids.  Does that mean every Palestinian is responsible and deserves to be burnt to death?   I don't think so but the Israelis appear to. 

So, what crime have the Palestinian children committed to deserve their death sentences Soren, apart from being born Palestinian and of course Muslim... 

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 3:27pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 1:09pm: Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 12:00pm: The Palestinians kidnapped 3 kids and killed them. What was the point of that?? Did the Palestinians do that to assist Israel with what you says are Israel's interests? Perhaps they did it, as often happens to deliberately provoke an Israeli reaction and so further entrench Hamas' control over Gaza?  Israel of course did exactly as was expected - some Jewish Terrorists kidnapped an innocent Palestinean kid and burnt him to death and then started bombing the crap out of some other, innocent Palestinians using their massive military machine. Hello?!?! It seems to escape you completely that none of this would have happened if the three Jewish kids were left alone by the Palestinians. For you the story starts with Israle's reaction. Some Palestinians chose to kill those three kids.  Does that mean every Palestinian is responsible and deserves to be burnt to death?   I don't think so but the Israelis appear to.  So, what crime have the Palestinian children committed to deserve their death sentences Soren, apart from being born Palestinian and of course Muslim...

Israel did not respond to the Killing of the 3 boys with an assault on Gaza. It mounted a police operation which is a very normal way. They made arrests.

But then a Palestinian boy was murdered and Hamas opened rocket fire on Israel and would not stop.

SO then the IDF goes in and cleans them out, hopefully once and for all.

Gaza is in the crosshairs not because of the 3 boys but because of the continuous rocket attacks on Israel.
You don't seem to mind that, even though those rockets are deliberately and indiscriminately targeting civilians, not the IDF.

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Israel did not respond to the Killing of the 3 boys with an assault on Gaza. It mounted a police operation which is a very normal way. They made arrests.

Whats the betting they simply said, "Round up the usual Hamas suspects"?

You seem to assume that the Israelis have an interest in actually capturing those who are responsible.  If you read the timeline of events, you'll note that the primary response of Operation Brother's Keeper was not to find the teenagers but to try and drive a wedge between Hamas and the PA and to put pressure on Hamas to try and provoke them, Soren.  Israel was alarmed at the possibilities that the PA and Hamas had actually reached a reconciliation.


Quote:

But then a Palestinian boy was murdered and Hamas opened rocket fire on Israel and would not stop.

Yes, you'll note, in response to that child's death, not the deliberate provocation of Operation Brother's Keeper.   Was that Palestinian child responsible for the deaths of the three Israeli teens?  Yet he was murdered and what's the better the Israeli colonists will get a slap on the wrist at most?


Quote:

SO then the IDF goes in and cleans them out, hopefully once and for all.

The stated objectives at the moment are to destroy Hamas infiltration tunnels.   Israel will be forced to bow, once more to international pressure and will back off attempting overt ethnic cleansing, Soren.


Quote:

Gaza is in the crosshairs not because of the 3 boys but because of the continuous rocket attacks on Israel. You don't seem to mind that, even though those rockets are deliberately and indiscriminately targeting civilians, not the IDF.

Why do you assume I don't mind?

Why do you think the deaths of these three teens justifies the deaths of hundreds of innocent people?    ::)

This entire affair is a tragedy for the Palestinian people, as has have all such Israeli operations.  What is the greatest tragedy is that this will not secure Israel any better than it was before it was started and will more than likely just harden the resolve of those who seek its destruction.  ::)

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?

The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

So, the Israelis claim...   ::)

Never took you for a mug, Baron.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them. So, the Israelis claim...   ::) Never took you for a mug, Baron.    ::)

The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

If the gunshots came from the Israeli position they would have been elliptical holes in the wall if they did not ricochet.

The poster child for an Intifada was acting.....

We all know you are a mug Brian, things must be slow in your forum is that why you troll this one?

Watch this video then point out what you disagree with-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3geiT77mlY4

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them. So, the Israelis claim...   ::) Never took you for a mug, Baron.    ::) The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French.   In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 3:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them. So, the Israelis claim...   ::) Never took you for a mug, Baron.    ::) The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera. Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French.   In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video.   ::)

The camera was Palestinian. The footage was sold to a French new network.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 3:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them. So, the Israelis claim...   ::) Never took you for a mug, Baron.    ::) The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera. Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French.   In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video.   ::) The camera was Palestinian. The footage was sold to a French new network.

My understanding was that the cameraman was Palestinian but he was working for a French network...

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:55am: Israel did not respond to the Killing of the 3 boys with an assault on Gaza. It mounted a police operation which is a very normal way. They made arrests. Whats the betting they simply said, "Round up the usual Hamas suspects"? You seem to assume that the Israelis have an interest in actually capturing those who are responsible.  If you read the timeline of events, you'll note that the primary response of Operation Brother's Keeper was not to find the teenagers but to try and drive a wedge between Hamas and the PA and to put pressure on Hamas to try and provoke them, Soren.  Israel was alarmed at the possibilities that the PA and Hamas had actually reached a reconciliation. Quote: But then a Palestinian boy was murdered and Hamas opened rocket fire on Israel and would not stop. Yes, you'll note, in response to that child's death, not the deliberate provocation of Operation Brother's Keeper.   Was that Palestinian child responsible for the deaths of the three Israeli teens?  Yet he was murdered and what's the better the Israeli colonists will get a slap on the wrist at most? [quote] SO then the IDF goes in and cleans them out, hopefully once and for all.

The stated objectives at the moment are to destroy Hamas infiltration tunnels.   Israel will be forced to bow, once more to international pressure and will back off attempting overt ethnic cleansing, Soren.


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Gaza is in the crosshairs not because of the 3 boys but because of the continuous rocket attacks on Israel. You don't seem to mind that, even though those rockets are deliberately and indiscriminately targeting civilians, not the IDF.

Why do you assume I don't mind?

Why do you think the deaths of these three teens justifies the deaths of hundreds of innocent people?    ::)

This entire affair is a tragedy for the Palestinian people, as has have all such Israeli operations.  What is the greatest tragedy is that this will not secure Israel any better than it was before it was started and will more than likely just harden the resolve of those who seek its destruction.  ::)
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Gaza is bombarded and invaded because of the Hamas rockets, not in response to the killing of the 3 Jewish boys.


The Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. Will they learn?

No.


The Jews want peace and the Arabs don't. That's al there is to it.


Details here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 6:27pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 3:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:25pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 1:08pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?  The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them. So, the Israelis claim...   ::) Never took you for a mug, Baron.    ::) The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera. Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French.   In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video.   ::) The camera was Palestinian. The footage was sold to a French new network. My understanding was that the cameraman was Palestinian but he was working for a French network...

Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen.

And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then?   ::)

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Gaza is bombarded and invaded because of the Hamas rockets, not in response to the killing of the 3 Jewish boys.

That is what the Israelis would like you to believe.


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The Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. Will they learn? No. The Jews want peace and the Arabs don't. That's al there is to it.

If the Israelis want peace why do they keep stealing Palestinian land, Soren?  Why do they keep destroying Palestinian crops?  Why do they keep treating the Palestinians like untermensch?  It appears rather counter-productive to their supposed desires, now doesn't it?   ::)


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Details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8

You do realise he is a comedian, don't you, Soren?  He isn't a serious commentator.  His stated aim is to be deliberately provocative, therefore he is not presenting facts in an objective manner, now is he?   ::)

He is also inaccurate.  Which Arabs?  The Egyptians and the Jordanians appear to desire peace - they have signed peace treaties with the state of Israel.  The PA appears to desire peace, they have gone out of their way not to be provocative to the Israelis and have co-operated even in the hunt for the three teens.

So, why does he claim "the Arabs don't want peace", Soren?  Except of course to be deliberately provocative,  like the Israelis.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:15am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:17pm: Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen. And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then?   ::)

Well they ARE Palestinians, and the reporters from the international networks aren't there when the footage is made, but the people from Hamas ( with guns) are.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

A largely forgotten or ignored history of Terrorism in the 20th century is that of Jewish Terrorism. Generally, Jewish Terrorism falls into two categories which overlap.  Judiasm inspired, religious Terrorism and Zionist inspired Terrorism. The first, relies upon Judiasm for it's inspiration.   The second, which overlaps the first relies upon Zionism for it's inspiration. Both have had their peaks and troughs over the last 60+ years.  In the late 1940s, there was a widespread bombing campaign conducted both in Palestine and western Europe which was intended to try and influence public opinion over the creation of the modern state of Israel.  Then there was the state conducted Terrorism surrounding the 1967 Six Day War, where Israeli soldiers went door to door, telling Palestinian people to leave their homes and flee. After the Six Day war, Israel waged a comprehensive letter bomb campaign against those who opposed it's rule of the Occupied Territories. Then there has been Terrorism of the Israeli settlers which has been conducted against the Palestinians. All fit the modern, FBI inspired definition of Terrorism: Quote: "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:     Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;     Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; [url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition]Source[/url] So, if an Israeli colonist threatens and intimidates a Palestinian, why isn't Israel condemned for failure to bring that colonist to answer before the law?

Had the Arabs accepted Israel in 1948, there would have been a significantly smaller Israel and peace for 70 years.
The Palestinians could have negotiated their own state with fellow Muslims in Egypt and Jordan ( ;D ;D ;D) and would have their own country by now ( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D).
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/images/israel05.jpg

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:15am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:17pm: Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen. And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then?   ::) Well they ARE Palestinians, and the reporters from the international networks aren't there when the footage is made, but the people from Hamas ( with guns) are.

So, of course the cameraman must have been lying, right?   ::)

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21st, 2014 at 7:30pm: A largely forgotten or ignored history of Terrorism in the 20th century is that of Jewish Terrorism. Generally, Jewish Terrorism falls into two categories which overlap.  Judiasm inspired, religious Terrorism and Zionist inspired Terrorism. The first, relies upon Judiasm for it's inspiration.   The second, which overlaps the first relies upon Zionism for it's inspiration. Both have had their peaks and troughs over the last 60+ years.  In the late 1940s, there was a widespread bombing campaign conducted both in Palestine and western Europe which was intended to try and influence public opinion over the creation of the modern state of Israel.  Then there was the state conducted Terrorism surrounding the 1967 Six Day War, where Israeli soldiers went door to door, telling Palestinian people to leave their homes and flee. After the Six Day war, Israel waged a comprehensive letter bomb campaign against those who opposed it's rule of the Occupied Territories. Then there has been Terrorism of the Israeli settlers which has been conducted against the Palestinians. All fit the modern, FBI inspired definition of Terrorism: Quote: "International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:     Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;     Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; [url=http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition]Source[/url] So, if an Israeli colonist threatens and intimidates a Palestinian, why isn't Israel condemned for failure to bring that colonist to answer before the law? Had the Arabs accepted Israel in 1948, there would have been a significantly smaller Israel and peace for 70 years.

Immaterial to the point under discussion, Soren.  Please explain why isn't Israel condemned for the terrorist acts of it's colonists?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

So, why does he claim "the Arabs don't want peace", Soren?  Except of course to be deliberately provocative,  like the Israelis.   ::)

Although I don't like Israelis all that much, I do find that the Israelis are the lesser of two evils. Not that much lesser, since I can imagine Israel being a complete arsehole in world affairs. But I do believe that Condell has a point. If Israel gave up the fighting on their behalf, the Arabs wouldn't give up the fight. It would be an all out slaughter against the Israelis. But if the Arabs gave up fighting the Israelis, the Arabs would be much better off. I have seen plenty of videos of young Arab children chanting their hatred against Jews. Inclusive is their desire for Allah to curse disease upon the Jews, diseases that cannot be cured. You cannot categorise the level of bitterness Arabs have for non-Arabs.

Imagine yourself, Brian, living next door to Arabs, or living in a suburb full of Arabs ready to kill you. Imagine taking your theory that they won't do anything to you if you don't provoke them. It won't take long for them to overwhelm the rest of your city with inflated costs to the community. Then you won't be calling their hatred a hyperbole.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 7:53am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:15am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:17pm: Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen. And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then?   ::) Well they ARE Palestinians, and the reporters from the international networks aren't there when the footage is made, but the people from Hamas ( with guns) are. So, of course the cameraman must have been lying, right?   ::)

Yes that's it exactly. Which is what the court decided in France, btw.

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Had the Arabs accepted Israel in 1948, there would have been a significantly smaller Israel and peace for 70 years.

Not according to the Israelis, there wouldn't have been as the Zionists always believed right until the early 1990s that there should be one state, a Jewish state, stretching from the sea to the River Jordan.   This week's "Rear Vision" programme on RN makes that clear.

Also you can understand why the Arabs were upset.  Under the original partition plan, only 35% of the population ended up with 70% of the land area.  Guess who the 35% were?  They weren't the Arab population.   So you have a foreign political solution imposed on the local population without consultation.  Is it any wonder they fought against it?

Yet even they recognised by 1990 their dream of a multicultural and multifaith nation between the sea and the river was doomed and returned to the original proposal of a two state solution, only to see it continually rebuffed by the Israelis who believed they should have it all.   You still see that belief in their colonisation policies which are intended to ethnically cleanse the Occupied Territories.

And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims!  Typical though of your ilk.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.

The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.

Israel immediately accepted the 1948 borders. Most countries, in turn, recognised Israel. At that time Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptian and Jordanian control - two sovereign countries. There would have been no war for land if they and the other Arabs had also accepted Israel within the 1948 borders. They all - not just Israel!!! - would be now prosperous and modern places, benefiting from the presence of Israel in their midsts. The Palestinians could have negotiated with the Egyptians and Jordanians for a state of their own.


Instead it has been 70 years of war and conflict, constant attacks on Israel - but now that they have completely antagonised the Jews, they want to rocket their way to a two state solution. Laughable.

No. They want to eliminate Israel. That was the agenda in 1948, that's the agenda now. And if you look at the development of Israel and the Arabs over those decades, it is a fantasy by the Arabs to imagine that the presence of Israel is the same thing as the presence of the crusader kingdoms. It is a completely different thing. But the Muslim Arabs cannot think new, cannot ignore the Islamic dictum to eliminate the Jews.




|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:57am:

And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims!

The situation arises due to a complete miscalculation by the Muslims in 1948 and their continued and  complete sacrifice of the Palestinians for Jew-baiting purposes.  And it has been backfiring on them for 70 years and they are still not learning.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 1:00pm:

In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.

The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Soren wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 1:11pm:

The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.

Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.


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Israel immediately accepted the 1948 borders. Most countries, in turn, recognised Israel.

Most?  Recognition of Israel was actually quite slow.  Do you know which country was the first to officially recognise the state of Israel?  The Soviet Union!  The USA was well back in the pack. 


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At that time Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptian and Jordanian control - two sovereign countries. There would have been no war for land if they and the other Arabs had also accepted Israel within the 1948 borders. They all - not just Israel!!! - would be now prosperous and modern places, benefiting from the presence of Israel in their midsts. The Palestinians could have negotiated with the Egyptians and Jordanians for a state of their own. Instead it has been 70 years of war and conflict, constant attacks on Israel - but now that they have completely antagonised the Jews, they want to rocket their way to a two state solution. Laughable. No. They want to eliminate Israel. That was the agenda in 1948, that's the agenda now. And if you look at the development of Israel and the Arabs over those decades, it is a fantasy by the Arabs to imagine that the presence of Israel is the same thing as the presence of the crusader kingdoms. It is a completely different thing. But the Muslim Arabs cannot think new, cannot ignore the Islamic dictum to eliminate the Jews.

As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.


|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:57am:

And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims!

The situation arises due to a complete miscalculation by the Muslims in 1948 and their continued and  complete sacrifice of the Palestinians for Jew-baiting purposes.  And it has been backfiring on them for 70 years and they are still not learning.
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Yep sure has but again, you blame the Palestinians for this happening rather than recognising they are the victims of both the Israelis and their fellow Arabs.  Typical of your attitudes though.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm: In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame. The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm: In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame. The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.

Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm: The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII. Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them. Quote: Israel immediately accepted the 1948 borders. Most countries, in turn, recognised Israel. Most?  Recognition of Israel was actually quite slow.  Do you know which country was the first to officially recognise the state of Israel?  The Soviet Union!  The USA was well back in the pack.  [quote] At that time Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptian and Jordanian control - two sovereign countries. There would have been no war for land if they and the other Arabs had also accepted Israel within the 1948 borders. They all - not just Israel!!! - would be now prosperous and modern places, benefiting from the presence of Israel in their midsts. The Palestinians could have negotiated with the Egyptians and Jordanians for a state of their own. Instead it has been 70 years of war and conflict, constant attacks on Israel - but now that they have completely antagonised the Jews, they want to rocket their way to a two state solution. Laughable. No. They want to eliminate Israel. That was the agenda in 1948, that's the agenda now. And if you look at the development of Israel and the Arabs over those decades, it is a fantasy by the Arabs to imagine that the presence of Israel is the same thing as the presence of the crusader kingdoms. It is a completely different thing. But the Muslim Arabs cannot think new, cannot ignore the Islamic dictum to eliminate the Jews.

As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.


|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:57am:

And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims!

The situation arises due to a complete miscalculation by the Muslims in 1948 and their continued and  complete sacrifice of the Palestinians for Jew-baiting purposes.  And it has been backfiring on them for 70 years and they are still not learning.
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Yep sure has but again, you blame the Palestinians for this happening rather than recognising they are the victims of both the Israelis and their fellow Arabs.  Typical of your attitudes though.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
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There'd been Jewish people in Tasmania for over 2000 years???

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm: In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame. The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all. Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Because the PA isn't in charge of Gaza. Notice how quiet the West Bank is, compared to Gaza??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:58pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm: In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame. The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all. Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D Because the PA isn't in charge of Gaza. Notice how quiet the West Bank is, compared to Gaza??

And where do the majority of Palestinians live?  :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 3:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:58pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm: In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame. The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all. Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D Because the PA isn't in charge of Gaza. Notice how quiet the West Bank is, compared to Gaza?? And where do the majority of Palestinians live?  :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Don't know. I do know the ones in Gaza are launching rockets, missiles and mortars at Israel though.

edit. Isn't it Jordan where most of the Palestinians live?

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm: The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII. Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.

Israel wasn't chosen randomly as the Jewish homeland, you know.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Yep sure has but again, you blame the Palestinians for this happening rather than recognising they are the victims of both the Israelis and their fellow Arabs.  Typical of your attitudes though.

We know the Muslims generally and Palestinians in particular will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust.

http://forward.com/image/2/630/0/5//assets/images/articles/w..franceanti-semitic-071514.jpg.jpg

Paris, July 2014


While the recent assaults on two synagogues in Paris with worshippers barricaded inside is extreme and distinct from the general problem of French anti-Semitism, they show how severe the situation on the ground can be.
Aline Le Bail-Kremer, a press officer for the French civil rights group SOS Racisme, lives near Don Isaac Abravanel Synagogue on rue de la Roquette, where one of the attacks took place and observed it from her window.
“The scene was very violent, with terrifying and anti-Semitic slogans” she told the Forward via an email. The protesters, she said, came with “baseball bats, chairs, tables stolen from the bars [which they] used as projectiles.”
Inside, members of the Jewish community were gathered to commemorate the lives of three teens recently found murdered in Israel, apparently by terrorists. Outside, synagogue security forces, and later police, defended the house of worship during an altercation that lasted for an hour and 40 minutes, said Le Bail-Kremer.
“It was clearly an anti-Semitic attack,” she said.


Read more: http://forward.com/articles/202126/brazen-anti-semitism-sends-french-jews-racing-to-l/#ixzz385ELvVIc

Soren wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm: Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm: The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII. Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them. Israel wasn't chosen randomly as the Jewish homeland, you know.

Yes, old chap, but you must admit that Hot Breasts has a point - we did erradicate the tinted problem in Tasmania.

Why not put the Muselmen there?

Soren wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm: Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm: The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII. Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them. Israel wasn't chosen randomly as the Jewish homeland, you know.

Yes, old chap, but you must admit that Hot Breasts has a point - we did erradicate the tinted problem in Tasmania.

Why not put the Muselmen there?

More Diversity News here:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/55180


A few years ago there was a "pro-Palestinian" protest in central London with the Metropolitan Police retreating up St. James's Street to Piccadilly in the face of a mob hurling traffic cones and jeering, "Run, run, you cowards!" and "Allahu akbar!" You would think the deluded multi-culti progressives would understand: In the end, this isn't about Gaza, this isn't about the Middle East; it's about them.

It may be some consolation to an ever-lonelier Israel that, in one of history's bleaker jests, in the coming Europe the Europeans will be the new Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SS93A6GNws


'Nuff said.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 2:49pm:

As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.

So who the hell is fighting Israel?
Egypt and Jordan and the PLO all recognise Israel. Who are the bastards who are trying to upset this harmony? And why shouldn't the be kicked in the teeth for the disruption?

Soren wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm: As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype. So who the hell is fighting Israel? Egypt and Jordan and the PLO all recognise Israel. Who are the bastards who are trying to upset this harmony? And why shouldn't the be kicked in the teeth for the disruption?

Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.

As to why shouldn't Hamas be hammered?  Perhaps the problem is the Israelis, despite all their rhetoric to the contrary don't really care to tell the difference between a Hamas member who has taken up arms against Israel and Palestinian civilians?  This morning we woke to news that the IDF has been shelling hospitals (again).   I suppose those big Red Crescents on the building made wonderful aiming marks for their tank guns?   Hundreds dead, over a hundred children dead.  Who pulled the triggers?  All you do is keep posting excuses for the Israelis, you apologist!   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Yeah we all know that the muslims only fire rockets at the Israeli Defence Force, they never once have fired into the civilian population have they?

The Jews have my support.

moses wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Yeah we all know that the muslims only fire rockets at the Israeli Defence Force, they never once have fired into the civilian population have they? The Jews have my support.

Of course they do.  They're killing Muslims, which is what you want.

Little do they know though, that once all the Muslims are dead, they'll be the next ones you herd into the cattle trucks!   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Or I could be like your pinup boys of the left (communists), you know shooting down jet liners with around 300 innocent men women and children on board, slaughtering the lot in one go.

Or I could be like your islamic  brothers today in 2014.

Your snivelling self praise is certainly no recommendation.

moses wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 3:50pm:

Or I could be like your pinup boys of the left (communists), you know shooting down jet liners with around 300 innocent men women and children on board, slaughtering the lot in one go.

Nought to do with Communists or Communism.  The alledged culprits are Russian nationalists and nationalists are of the Right, not the Left.

Whoops!  Missed again!  You do realise the Cold War has been over for 20 years?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

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Nought to do with Communists or Communism.  The alledged culprits are Russian nationalists and nationalists are of the Right, not the Left. Whoops!  Missed again!  You do realise the Cold War has been over for 20 years?

The Right is most certainly not the dominant power in Russia

The United Russia party has no coherent ideology, but embraces politicians and officials with a variety of political views who support the administration

The Russian Communist Party (KPRF) still remaining the second largest political party in the Russian parliament.

So yes I stick to my view that Russia is still very much under the influence of the left.

moses wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 4:36pm:

Hot Breath: Quote: Nought to do with Communists or Communism.  The alledged culprits are Russian nationalists and nationalists are of the Right, not the Left. Whoops!  Missed again!  You do realise the Cold War has been over for 20 years? The Right is most certainly not the dominant power in Russia

Haven't listened to Vlad or his followers lately, have you?  Not much left over from the days of Communism in their beliefs, except in a strong Rodina!  Dah!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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The Russian Communist Party (KPRF) still remaining the second largest political party in the Russian parliament.

So, they are the minority?  Doesn't that rather demolish your own argument?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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So yes I stick to my view that Russia is still very much under the influence of the left.

You are very politically naive, aren't you?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

America's Israeli Jihadists

American foreign fighters are at it again in the Middle East.

Most recently, they're wearing the uniform of the Israeli state, willing participants in the onslaught of Gaza's population. American volunteers have contributed to the deaths of at least 633 Palestinian civilians since the recent conflict began. Of the 30 Israelis killed, it has emerged that at least two had dual US citizenship.

So how does the United States respond? To start with, by sending more Americans.

Less than 24 hours after his Fox News "hot mic" episode, US Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Cairo on Tuesday, dissecting the situation with the predictable Western refrain about Hamas' bad behavior and Israeli's "right to defend" itself.

"We're here working because we've seen too much blood shed on all sides," said Kerry.

But it was his addition of "including the death of two American citizens" as his voice trailed off that confirmed one of the conflicts most unrecognized hypocrisies: American citizens are systemically encouraged to fight, oppress, and kill Palestinians.

Forget how America lectures Arab governments about "cracking down" or "stemming the flow" of Arab foreign fighters to Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan. For those American volunteers in Israel, there will be no FBI dragnet back home to trace their voyages from Newark to Tel Aviv. No interviewing of neighbors to understand what motivated the departed to don foreign fatigues and raise a rifle at someone they've never met. Not to mention being placed on the mother of all no's--the "no fly" list. Definitely no monitoring synagogue sermons or AIPAC conventions, unless they're invited speakers and they're up next.

Fortunately for Israel's American volunteers, they will also be spared the indignity faced by Muslim-Americans of FBI surveillance stings--as chronicled in this recent Al Jazeera investigation--to inveigle US citizens to fight or injure others abroad who aren't deemed "bad guys."

No, there are just three ways that American-Israeli foreign fighters run afoul of the law. First, if they join the "wrong" side, most readily defined as Hamas. The US classifies this resistance group as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and sanctions it for "threatening to disrupt the Middle East peace process". Odd considering Netanyahu has done more than his share to kill that very process. And when was the last time you saw any US citizen prosecuted for supporting (or being!) violent Israeli settlers or being members of extremist groups like Kahane Chai?

Criminal penalties or a loss of citizenship could theoretically result from those serving in Israel were it proven they intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship upon enlisting. It would be considered treason were US-Israeli fighters to directly attack the United States.

Lastly, it's still a federal criminal offense to murder a US citizen abroad. While it's still too early to tell whether the deceased US-Israeli fighters Sean Carmeli or Max Steinberg had killed any dual Palestinian-American citizens while fighting in Gaza, you can rest assured that there will be no investigation.

Indeed, one can safely say these American "jihadis" (isn't that what we normally call those heading for a fight over there?) will be in the clear.

They probably had zero plans to ditch their passports when they took up arms for Israel. Just ask Rahm Emmanuel, who volunteered twice in the Israeli Defense Forces. He later became President Obama's Chief of Staff and Mayor of Chicago.

How perverse is this: Carmeli and Steinberg might have even had a shot at becoming top-secret cleared US diplomats--even mediators to the very conflict they once participated in with weapons. Just review the story of Martin Indyk, America's Mideast Peace Envoy, who was himself a volunteer (albeit civilian) during Israel's 1973 war and who later was a top official at its US-based advocacy operation, known as AIPAC.

But on the final threshold were Carmeli and Steinberg fighting the United States and committing treason? Their defenders would argue not.

But if you study all Al Qaeda rhetoric before 9/11 and the innumerable other groups that have sprouted up since, unqualified American support for Israel--diplomatic, financial, and yes, military aid--remains a key grievance and recruitment device to attract people to attack and kill Americans.

So while Netanyahu's killing machine obliterates Palestinian kids playing soccer on Gaza's beaches, have no doubt that there are Arabs and Muslims wanting to exact revenge on both Israel and the United States.

That Carmeli and Steinberg fought to deepen that anger means they were also inciting Arabs and Muslims to hate Americans, posing risks to all citizens whether traveling abroad or walking freely at home.

In a parallel universe where logic prevails, the US might do something about it.

But in today's America, the support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians is institutional. There will be no closing of US-based charities and NGO's that openly raise tax-free money for Israeli settlers. The IRS will continue to allow this indirect subsidy for hostile activities in contravention of stated US foreign policy (you know, "they're an obstacle to peace"). There will be no effort to "de-radicalize" America's foreign fighters for Israel when they come home. On the contrary, they might even stand a chance of becoming civil servants or elected officials in positions of authority where they

|dev|null wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:05pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm: As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype. So who the hell is fighting Israel? Egypt and Jordan and the PLO all recognise Israel. Who are the bastards who are trying to upset this harmony? And why shouldn't the be kicked in the teeth for the disruption? Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.

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Poor Muslims. As we see in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Labia, Egypt -  they really, really want to be friends with each other but it's the Jews - sorry,  J :D :D :DS  - who don't let them!!!  Honest!

And the Muslim Arabs are such helpless little children that a few hundred million of them are thought-controlled by the Israeli government. Cunning Jews - sorry, J ::) ::) ::)S -, eh?