ban any new mosque.

Most people in there want sharia law over Australia
they are unaustralian and anti our lifestyle.


Quote:

A COMMUNITY meeting has turned heated after angry Gold Coast residents gathered to object to a mosque being built in their area.    A crowd of about 250 people heckled Gold Coast councillor Chris Robbins when she was explaining the council process of approving applications, in reference to the proposal to build a mosque on Cannon St, Currumbin. “You can object to it, you can hate it or whatever, but the law is you can’t discriminate,” Cr Robbins said. “The town plan is not able to discriminate and say that a land use ... can only be used for a particular religion.” Cr Robbins continued to attempt to quell the crowd - even as it started raining - by explaining how residents could object to the development through the council process. However, at times, her advice was drowned by cries about not wanting “that culture here”. Organiser Tracey Thompson was adamant the gathering was “not a protest”. She said it was just a gathering to provide locals with information on how lodge an objection to the development. “This is not about race,” Mrs Thompson told The Courier-Mail. “This is about objecting to the amplified music and the additional traffic the development will bring. “And the other concern is the amplified music will effect the special needs children at the school located about 500m up the road from the proposed development.” Speakers at the event explained how residents could object to the application by lodging a submission online. Suggested objections circulated to the crowd via flyers included that the development was too close to residential and light industrial properties in the area. Among the crowd were groups like the Brisbane-based Freedom and Heritage Society of Australia, who claimed they defended the “national identity”. They affirmed their objections to the development were not based on race, but they said they opposed all threats to Australians “freedoms and values”. National secretary David Truman said the culture of Islam here would result in “ghettos” and an increase in violent assaults like “rape”. “At the end of the day it’s not just about local issues like noise and traffic, it’s also about what happens when a mosque comes to your area,” Mr Truman said. “It’s about the impact on the community and the lack of social sustainability.” No one representing the proposed development was at the meeting.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/people-heckle-gold-coast-councillor-chris-robbins-over-proposal-to-build-mosque-on-cannon-st-currumbin/story-fnihsrf2-1229662932221

Muslims tourists are more than welcome to the gold coast and spends there millions and use there money to fund tourism investment but cant own a mosque.PFFT.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia they are unaustralian and anti our lifestyle.

So are fundamentalist Christians.  Should their churches be banned as well?   ::) ::)

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Muslims tourists are more than welcome .

That's overstating it a bit, no?

They are probably as welcome as Jews are in Mecca. We are just not that impolite to say it out loud.
.

I have a friend from Dubai. He lives in Australia to get away from it all. He said it starts with the mosque. Then the call to prayer at a very low level. They all move in. He laughed at me regarding the call to prayer he said it WILL get louder and there is nothing you can do to stop it once they have all moved in and surround you.

Most Mosques in Australia are SUNNI but the thick heads around will encourage the culture to fester here. People like some here would be the first to wail out loud should it happen in their neighborhood. Pathetic losers just trolling.

Soren wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:45pm:

wally1 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:37pm: Muslims tourists are more than welcome . That's overstating it a bit, no? They are probably as welcome as Jews are in Mecca. We are just not that impolite to say it out loud. .

So you saying the qld goverment dont want Muslim tourism?

You want to get owned again?

There are many halal restaurants on the gold coast, they have mosques, even some of the major entertainment precints like dream world have a prayer room and serve halal food.

Seems like the qld goverment had no issue with this Muslim, or maybe they just wanted his money.

Dubai ruler had 'special ties with Queensland'

The ruler of Dubai and the United Arab Emirates Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashed al-Maktoum, who died on the Gold Coast yesterday, has been described as a great friend of Queensland.

Sheikh Maktoum, 62, who was prime minister as well as deputy president of the UAE, suffered a heart attack yesterday at the Palazzo Versace resort and was pronounced dead on arrival at the Gold Coast Hospital just before 1pm (AEST).

The body of the sheikh, who was one of the world's richest men, has been sent back to Dubai and the UAE government has declared 40 days of mourning and government institutions will be closed for a week to mark his death.

Acting Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has sent letters of sympathy to Sheikh Maktoum's family, the UAE government and the UAE Embassy in Canberra.

"Sheikh Maktoum has been a great friend to Queensland and he will be sadly missed," she said today.

"We have a very strong and developing relationship with the UAE and I am sure that this will continue.

"Our mutual interests vary from education, to tourism, horse racing and construction."

Queensland's trade to the UAE has been averaging about $83 million a year over the past five years.

Big spending visitors have also made their mark in the state, especially on the Gold Coast over July and August and for the Gold Coast's Magic Millions each January.

One of the biggest spending visitors was Sheikh Maktoum who was staying at the six-star Palazzo Versace with family and staff numbering 33 at the time of his death.

Money talks.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia ...

Can you substantiate that claim?

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils wants Muslims to be able to marry, divorce and conduct financial transactions under the principles of sharia law. In a submission to the Federal Parliament’s Committee on Multicultural Affairs, the Federation has asked for the change.

Soren wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:45pm:

wally1 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:37pm: Muslims tourists are more than welcome . That's overstating it a bit, no? They are probably as welcome as Jews are in Mecca. We are just not that impolite to say it out loud. .

Actually,according to figures I last saw, the arabs are currently the biggest spending tourists on the gold coast .... I know a guy that works at loui vuitton and he says it's not unusual for them to come in and buy 3 or 4+ handbags, of the multi thousand dollar variety, without batting an eye. If they have multiple wives, they book multiple hotel rooms, multiple dinners, multiple everything  ... it's not hard to see why they are more welcome than most ;)

CHINA TO BE THE MAIN SOURCE FOR GROWTH
China is the largest contributor to both the growth of inbound arrivals and inbound expenditure. In
terms of visitor numbers, from 2012–13 to 2022–23, China will contribute about 24 per cent to the
total growth. Further, about 40 per cent of inbound tourism expenditure will be sourced from China
over the forecast period.

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Money talks.

If money talks, then if the muslims got the money then they should build a mosque anywhere in aus.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:45pm:

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils wants Muslims to be able to marry, divorce and conduct financial transactions under the principles of sharia law. In a submission to the Federal Parliament’s Committee on Multicultural Affairs, the Federation has asked for the change.

Why is it only jews can have special courts?

Rabbis to settle Jewish disputes in special court

VICTORIA'S Jewish community has set up a special court to resolve disputes involving its members.

Specially trained rabbis will handle civil and commercial issues using a combination of Jewish and Australian law.

The court, known as a Beth Din, has previously only dealt with matters relating to divorce and the conversion to Judaism.

Rabbinical Council of Victoria president Rabbi Meir Shlomo Kluwgant said the court would offer parties arbitration and mediation to resolve disputes so they wouldn't need to go through the normal legal system.

"It's not trying to go beyond the law - quite the opposite - it's trying to support the law by creating a venue within the community to resolve disputes," he said.

"Australia is a very multicultural society, which means it respects the fact that we've got a diverse community with varying cultural, religious and faith backgrounds, and this is a major step towards recognising that in a very practical way."

Rabbi Kluwgant denied that approval of the Jewish court would spark calls by some Muslims for the introduction of sharia law.

"Personally, I haven't heard of any circumstances where it's been a suggestion, the implementation of sharia law in Victoria or Australia," he said.

"(But) from my discussions with people from the Muslim community, I think they would also embrace the idea of having a venue to resolve disputes in accordance with the Arbitration Act, where the awards would be enforceable in the Australian courts."

Some Islamic religious and community leaders have previously called for the consideration of a limited form of sharia law in Australia related to banking practices and family law.

wally1 wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:15pm: Money talks. If money talks, then if the muslims got the money then they should build a mosque anywhere in aus.

It is funny the funding sources for some of these Mosques as that is what is exactly happening. They are building them in most cases where they want too and for some reason the councilors involved mum's the word when it comes to anyone saying they don't want it. Islam by its own teachings is incompatible with the west. Its the silly Islam must dominate the world teaching that brings it to fester in our local neighborhoods and countries otherwise there is no reason why they wouldn't stay in the Islamic countries where clearly they and us would be more happier. Unless of course they have turned into dumps. I appreciate you're an Islamic apologist wally, but no need to start calling people trolls because they disagree with you wally.  ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:13pm: ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia ... Can you substantiate that claim?

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:20pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:13pm: ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia ... Can you substantiate that claim? Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

Ah yes, my bad.

Grendel, Sprint, et al. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:20pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:13pm: ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia ... Can you substantiate that claim? Sprint doesn't do substantiation. Ah yes, my bad. Grendel, Sprint, et al.

Here you go peccahead-

The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel has made numerous submissions to the government to allow unconstitutional sharia law in Australia, he calls it legal pluralism.

www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-for-sharia/story-fn59niix-1226057100331

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:19am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:20pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:13pm: ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia ... Can you substantiate that claim? Sprint doesn't do substantiation. Ah yes, my bad. Grendel, Sprint, et al.  Here you go peccahead- The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel has made numerous submissions to the government to allow unconstitutional sharia law in Australia, he calls it legal pluralism. www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-for-sharia/story-fn59niix-1226057100331

Try to keep up.  Of course there are people out there who want sharia law.

However, the claim was: "Most people in there want sharia law over Australia".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/most

Can you substantiate that claim?

Hi Greg,

There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust.

threads have been here before about it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=polls+taken+in+Australian+mosques

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:19am: polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 11:15am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 9:20pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 8:13pm: ban any new mosque. Most people in there want sharia law over Australia ... Can you substantiate that claim? Sprint doesn't do substantiation. Ah yes, my bad. Grendel, Sprint, et al.  Here you go peccahead- The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel has made numerous submissions to the government to allow unconstitutional sharia law in Australia, he calls it legal pluralism. www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-for-sharia/story-fn59niix-1226057100331

Good point about the constitution, Baron. The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel states in your article:


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"It is important for someone who is Muslim or a practising Jew that aspects of our religion which can be incorporated within the greater legal system are introduced. "This is about personal issues about family, and won't affect any other Australian," he said. "It's about a system that does not impinge on the rights of any other Australian."

It sounds a bit like the dispute resolution processes, or "courts", already established by Jews. Here's an article posted by Wally:


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VICTORIA'S Jewish community has set up a special court to resolve disputes involving its members. Specially trained rabbis will handle civil and commercial issues using a combination of Jewish and Australian law. The court, known as a Beth Din, has previously only dealt with matters relating to divorce and the conversion to Judaism. Rabbinical Council of Victoria president Rabbi Meir Shlomo Kluwgant said the court would offer parties arbitration and mediation to resolve disputes so they wouldn't need to go through the normal legal system. "It's not trying to go beyond the law - quite the opposite - it's trying to support the law by creating a venue within the community to resolve disputes," he said.

As you can see - all constitutional, and all within the law. These are processes for family and civil disputes, not criminal ones. No one is arguing for separate criminal courts, which of course would be illegal under the constitution.

What is also illegal under the constitution is discriminating against different forms of worship. Banning religious organizations would require a change to the constitution. Such a change would require a majority vote in both houses of parliament to propose a referendum, followed by a majority vote by Australians to accept a change to the constitution.

The only historical precedent for such constitutional change was Menzies' 1951 referendum to ban the Communist Party. Australians overwhealmingly voted against it. It failed.

So I ask you this: who is advocating changes to our laws and way of life here - those who seek dispute resolution or mediation processes that are recommended under Australian law?

Or those who seek to overturn the constitution to ban people's freedom of worship?

I look forward to your thoughts.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it.

Show us the poll?

wally1 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:38pm: Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it. Show us the poll?

I'll speed this up a bit, Wally.


polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it.

Would you mind citing one - with a link?

Thanks.

Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G.

Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven.

Karnal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G. Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven.

When i showed a pie chart stating jews committed more terrorism than muslims, sprint called it a bogus chart.

All of a sudden he claims to have a poll stating muslims wants shariah law in australia and is happy to beleive that, if a poll does exist in bogus imagination.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 12:38pm: Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it. Would you mind citing one - with a link? Thanks.

You need to wait in line gandalf, im still waiting for sprints proof that the time span between Adam to Mohamed was 2500 years.

wally1 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:27pm: Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G. Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven. When i showed a pie chart stating jews committed more terrorism than muslims, sprint called it a bogus chart. All of a sudden he claims to have a poll stating muslims wants shariah law in australia and is happy to beleive that, if a poll does exist in bogus imagination.

Yes, but Sprint must know things that aren't included in your graph. He must be going off confessions, eyewitness statements and intelligence reports. I imagine most of this is hush-hush and for Sprint's eyes only.

Quote:

.......A random survey of 100 representative mosques in the U.S. was conducted to measure the correlation between Sharia adherence and dogma calling for violence against non-believers. Of the 100 mosques surveyed, 51% had texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% had texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% had no violent texts at all. Mosques that presented as Sharia adherent were more likely to feature violence-positive texts on site than were their non-Sharia-adherent counterparts. In 84.5% of the mosques, the imam recommended studying violence-positive texts. The leadership at Sharia-adherent mosques was more likely to recommend that a worshipper study violence-positive texts than leadership at non-Sharia-adherent mosques. Fifty-eight percent of the mosques invited guest imams known to promote violent jihad. The leadership of mosques that featured violence-positive literature was more likely to invite guest imams who were known to promote violent jihad than was the leadership of mosques that did not feature violence-positive literature on mosque premises..........  ......

http://pamelageller.com/2011/12/study-shows-majority-of-us-mosques-repositories-of-sharia-jihad-muslim-brotherhood-literature-and-pr.html/

your pie chart had no references

Do you have any evidence thats actually relevant to your claim sprint?

wally1 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 23rd, 2014 at 1:27pm: Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G. Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven. When i showed a pie chart stating jews committed more terrorism than muslims, sprint called it a bogus chart. All of a sudden he claims to have a poll stating muslims wants shariah law in australia and is happy to beleive that, if a poll does exist in bogus imagination.

It was  Bogus chart it had latinos next to muslims  ;D.

That makes perfect sense don't it , no ?  ;D

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Many Latino Muslims live in various cities within the United States, their numbers estimated to be between 70,000 and 200,000.[6] Conversion has had a growing presence in states like New York, Illinois, New Jersey and Florida. Since the United States Census Bureau does not provide statistics on religion, statistics are scarce and wide ranging. Some estimates say there are between 15,000 to 50,000 Hispanic Muslims in the United States.[7] In 2002 the Islamic Society of North America stated that there were 40,000 Hispanic Muslims in the United States.[7] The population of Hispanic Muslims has increased 30 percent to some 200,000 since 1999, estimates Ali Khan, national director of the American Muslim Council in Chicago.[8] I wonder how many "Others" are muslim as well.

and Muslims were supposed to be less than Jews  ;D ;D ;D

Don't have a problem with Mosques.  Now, happy-clappy Christians on the otherhand always knocking on my door!   ;D ;D ;D ;D