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Message started by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:34pm

Title: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:34pm
FULL marks to Julia Gillard for insight. According to a new book, the ex-PM had this to say the morning after she was dumped by Labor for her rival Kevin Rudd: “This has been contentless, it’s been all about ego and personalities.”

The Australian public had come to that conclusion some months previously, but it’s nice that Gillard eventually caught up.

Actually, this new book, by former ABC presenter, state Labor MP and devoted Gillard fangirl Mary Delahunty, arrives at a useful time.

Just when Labor and its various leftist followers had almost bedded down their mythical version of Gillard’s political demise — brought down by entrenched sexism and Tony Abbott’s horrible misogyny and so on — Delahunty’s Gravity reminds us of just how mundane were the circumstances of her removal.

For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-­building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues.

The basic electoral realities of Gillard’s reign don’t really get much play in the Left’s retelling of events. This process began even while Gillard was in office.

Here’s leading Gillard alternative historian Anne Summers, speaking at the University of Newcastle in 2012: “In this lecture I want to examine what I contend is the sexist and discriminatory treatment of Australia’s first female prime minister by the opposition and by some elements in Australian society.”

And just one year later Penny Wong voted against her. How does that square with claimed discriminatory treatment by the Coalition and elements in Australian society? It might be news to Wong that she’s a sexist Liberal Party member.

The central reason for Gillard’s decline as prime minister, leading to Rudd’s eventually successful challenge, came just prior to the 2010 election. Her answer to a question from Ten’s Bill Woods, who asked about Gillard’s view on a carbon tax, would prove to be a trap of her own construction: “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead.”

This was the political equivalent of losing some heat shields during a space shuttle launch. Ascending isn’t an issue, but the attempted re-entry might be a problem. Again, this is a mundane political reality: tell a lie, especially one that costs people money, and you’ll become unpopular with voters.

Labor and the Left have never come to terms with this.

Their subsequent tactic was to invent an entirely different answer than the one Gillard gave. It circulated on the internet for a time and then was picked up and published by Kerry-Anne Walsh in her book The Stalking Of Julia Gillard: “During the election campaign she had stated: ‘There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but let me be clear, I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.’ This is what she announced, but not as far as those in the opposition and hysterical commentariat were concerned.”

The second part of that quote, beginning with “but let me be clear”, was not spoken by Gillard.

The ABC’s Jonathan Green also fell for the bogus claim, writing in The Year My Politics Broke: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead ... is probably one of the most infamous pieces of political quotation in Australian history. The other quotable snippet from those last days of the 2010 campaign — ‘but I am determined to put a price on carbon’ — trips less readily off the tongue, largely due to its quite conspicuous lack of endless repetition.”

Yes, because Gillard never said it. Lately this false quote has once again gained currency online.

For the record, here is Gillard’s full carbon tax comment, as given to Ten news in 2010: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead. What we will do is we will tackle the challenge of climate change. We’ve invested record amounts in solar and renewable technologies. Now I want to build the transmission lines that will bring that clean green energy into the national electricity grid. I also want to make sure we have no more dirty, coal-fired power stations. I want to make sure we’re driving greener cars and working from greener buildings. I will be delivering those things and leading our national debate to reach a consensus about putting a cap on carbon pollution.”

And here’s a final carbon tax prediction from the ex-PM, made in the final months of her leadership: “In many ways it was a horror of a debate but we got through it. And it’s a change that will endure, I’m absolutely confident of that.” She got that one wrong, too.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm
I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm
I think this is a dead rubber - we all knew it was all to do with internal Labor machination and nothing at all to do with 'sexism' or 'misogyny' - that was just window dressing for the gullible women who actually believe in that garbage, or want to believe in it since it offers free goodies in life.

Anyone else worked out yet that affirmative action - oh, sorry - 'equal employment opportunity' - is an unwarranted entitlement way past its use by date?

I think it's time to bill the government for my lost salary over the past thirty years, since I resigned over this nonsense as being discriminatory, counter-productive, and ineffectual in achieving any proximity to equality for all while creating divides within the Service..... the results speak for themselves - again my stance is vindicated.

Now - where's my fat retirement handout?  Prophets should be rewarded in full..

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by El Gatto on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Datalife on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm:
I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!


And many here repeated the same lie and will continue to use it after knowing it is a lie. 

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by sir alevine on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:44pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.

ooOooh progression!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Hot Breath on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm:
I think this is a dead rubber - we all knew it was all to do with internal Labor machination and nothing at all to do with 'sexism' or 'misogyny' - that was just window dressing for the gullible women who actually believe in that garbage, or want to believe in it since it offers free goodies in life.

Anyone else worked out yet that affirmative action - oh, sorry - 'equal employment opportunity' - is an unwarranted entitlement way past its use by date?

I think it's time to bill the government for my lost salary over the past thirty years, since I resigned over this nonsense as being discriminatory, counter-productive, and ineffectual in achieving any proximity to equality for all while creating divides within the Service..... the results speak for themselves - again my stance is vindicated.

Now - where's my fat retirement handout?  Prophets should be rewarded in full..


Thank God the Navy doesn't do "affirmative action" or else we may see submarines bring driven into the sea bed all too often! Ok, very unlikely, but I'm a firm believer that the best person for the job should get it & whether the pee sitting or standing should be irrelevant.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by El Gatto on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:46pm

|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D



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Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:47pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.

ooOooh progression!


Lol, all I see in the address bar is the main DT website address even on a page showing a story. If someone knows how, I'd be grateful!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:48pm

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D



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She attacked pensioners and the poor instead with her carbon tax!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:48pm

|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Yes - I'm afraid Tone is just another reincarnation in the John Howard mold of Maggie 'Ding-Dong' Thatcher and her rabid right fantasies that brought Britain to its knees.

Thatcherism/Reaganism - outdated and destroyed thirty years ago - yet some can't see past the blatant idiocies of both.... hard to divest oneself of such fantasies when it serves so well to line one's own pockets....

New party, anyone?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by skippy. on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:49pm

Datalife wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm:
I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!


And many here repeated the same lie and will continue to use it after knowing it is a lie. 

Who says its a lie? Piers Akermen? That other rightard that assaults women, no wonder he is an Abbott hugger. Rightards are know liars.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by El Gatto on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:57pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D



[smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


She attacked pensioners and the poor instead with her carbon tax!


Wrong!

Try again.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
Thank God the Navy doesn't do "affirmative action" or else we may see submarines bring driven into the sea bed all too often! Ok, very unlikely, but I'm a firm believer that the best person for the job should get it & whether the pee sitting or standing should be irrelevant.


As am I... the best person for the job is the answer - not this artificial numbers thing.  Utter nonsense.  You need only look at the public service these days to see the results - Fer Dog's Sake - you can do a course on how to interview for the Army.... now WTH sort of message does that send?

a.  We are incapable of seeing what is in front of us
b.  Our judgement has been coloured by political correctness
c.  We are unaware that real ability always defeats good interviewing skills.
d.  We've lost the plot
e.  We'll send the interview best up to negotiate with the enemy.

Sorry, lads - I'm accustomed to interviews with a couple of officers (4RAR - now 2 Commando) and being slotted for one man ops..... without any hesitation.... I work better alone anyway....

Once were warriors..... now every ad has about 70% women - and I recall the Navy's 100th Anniversary coverage by the ABC - they interviewed not one man sailor.... every interview was with a woman....yet not one woman has died on naval combat operations.... while many hundreds of men have......

This is just PC gone mad..... AA is a false god that will lead to unwarranted deaths and injuries WHEN the Next Big One comes along.. in my lifetime - and I'm now 65....

I have nothing against women in the armed forces - they do a fine job - but the reality is, to coin that phrase again - where the metal meets the meat.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by sir alevine on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.

ooOooh progression!


Lol, all I see in the address bar is the main DT website address even on a page showing a story. If someone knows how, I'd be grateful!

you should be able to double tap in the address bar and it will give you the full url you can then select all and copy.

:)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by skippy. on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:01pm
ROTFLMAO it's an opinion piece from that fascist  c@&$ Tim Blair. ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by cods on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:04pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.

ooOooh progression!


Lol, all I see in the address bar is the main DT website address even on a page showing a story. If someone knows how, I'd be grateful!

you should be able to double tap in the address bar and it will give you the full url you can then select all and copy.

:)


Hmmm...

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/gillards-apologists-ignore-the-truth/story-fni0cwl5-1229671207062

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by The Outrage Bus on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:12pm
Good thing about opinions, they dont need facts.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:14pm
There were elderly pensioners sweltering in summer and freezing in winter because they were petrified of the bill they'd get for using their air conditioning to keep comfortable. That was a disgrace and cost Gillard a ton of votes, I'd imagine. She (and Rudd) also used taxpayer funds to reimburse unions to the tune of $14m for donations they made to the ALP election campaigns in 2007 & 2010. Imagine the uproar if Tony did that for Murdoch, for example!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:17pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
Good thing about opinions, they dont need facts.


If you're posting on Crikey or IA, that's true. But a major publication like the DT is subject to oversight by ACMA and can lead to fines if clear untruths are published. So that fact would make you wrong (again).

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:26pm
Essentially they're all the same - once they get the golden bit between the teeth - they run with it and forget why they are there.... to serve the people - not to force the people to serve them.....

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by buzzanddidj on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:33pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Link not included
as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.





http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php




Tim Blair (born 1965) is an Australian conservative political commentator and blogger.
He is based in Sydney, Australia.

Blair was raised and educated in Werribee, Victoria.
He began a journalism cadetship in 1988 at the now-defunct Truth newspaper in Melbourne.
In mid-2001 he began blogging at Blogspot

In addition to running his blog, Blair is the opinion editor for the Sydney Daily Telegraph, where he also writes a weekly column. He was previously a news editor and regular columnist for the now-defunct The Bulletin.
He has also worked as a journalist and senior editor at Truth and Sports Illustrated, and has also written for Fox News











Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by El Gatto on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:36pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
Good thing about opinions, they dont need facts.


The Right seem to do well without them, too. :P

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by El Gatto on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:38pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:33pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Link not included
as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.





http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php




Tim Blair (born 1965) is an Australian conservative political commentator and blogger.
He is based in Sydney, Australia.

Blair was raised and educated in Werribee, Victoria.
He began a journalism cadetship in 1988 at the now-defunct Truth newspaper in Melbourne.
In mid-2001 he began blogging at Blogspot

In addition to running his blog, Blair is the opinion editor for the Sydney Daily Telegraph, where he also writes a weekly column. He was previously a news editor and regular columnist for the now-defunct The Bulletin.
He has also worked as a journalist and senior editor at Truth and Sports Illustrated, and has also written for Fox News






Ah! A Murdoch 'hack'?

And worked for Fox News?

Sa no more.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dsmithy70 on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:41pm
Tim Blair, owned last week for his warm up article to this one


Quote:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/feminist-frightbat-campaign-just-the-blair-witch-project-20140625-zskyz.html

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by skippy. on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:45pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
Good thing about opinions, they dont need facts.


If you're posting on Crikey or IA, that's true. But a major publication like the DT is subject to oversight by ACMA and can lead to fines if clear untruths are published. So that fact would make you wrong (again).

Yet that other bloke that  assaults women, Piers Akerman, does it all the time. You make it so easy to show you up as a fool.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jun 30th, 2014 at 5:48pm
I often come here to read the smellograph.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by cods on Jun 30th, 2014 at 5:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
I often come here to read the smellograph.



and theres me thinking no decent leftie would ever read anything from the tele...how could you do that dna??...

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:27pm
It was a good article... one that obviously the rusted-ons will go into the foetal position and denial about.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:41pm

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
I often come here to read the smellograph.



and theres me thinking no decent leftie would ever read anything from the tele...how could you do that dna??...



There was a time that I read Akerman all the time, nothing more funny than his biased rubbish - very much like this article.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by life_goes_on on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm
Who or what is/was a "Gillard"?

Does anybody care anymore?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
It was a good article... one that obviously the rusted-ons will go into the foetal position and denial about.



Is the biased opinion section still next to the comics and mostly funnier?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:05pm

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.


Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator.  During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition. 

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried.  Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible.  The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets.  Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism.   ::)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by John Smith on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:12pm
look at all the righties salivating over an opinion piece .....

why don't you all line up and give Blair a blowjob as a thankyou?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by DaS Energy on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.


Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator.  During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition. 

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried.  Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible.  The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets.  Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism.   ::)


Keep reading of such but never see such, its pure bullshit!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.


Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator.  During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition. 

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried.  Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible.  The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets.  Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism.   ::)


First of all, the NDIS wasn't fully funded and secondly her gender had zero to do with her downfall. It was all about her policies and her incompetence - the same reasons for Rudd's downfall TWICE!!!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 6:27pm:
It was a good article... one that obviously the rusted-ons will go into the foetal position and denial about.


Is the biased opinion section still next to the comics and mostly funnier?

Like I said...
Rusted-on
Denial...


Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.


Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator.  During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition. 

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried.  Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible.  The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets.  Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism.   ::)

NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian... 
Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW  :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:12pm:
look at all the righties salivating over an opinion piece .....

why don't you all line up and give Blair a blowjob as a thankyou?

You keep saying that as if opinion pieces are never based on or provide facts Johnboy...  how disingenuous of you  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by John Smith on Jun 30th, 2014 at 11:05pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:12pm:
look at all the righties salivating over an opinion piece .....

why don't you all line up and give Blair a blowjob as a thankyou?

You keep saying that as if opinion pieces are never based on or provide facts Johnboy...  how disingenuous of you  :D :D :D


No, I say that as if opinion pieces are based on opinion ....... thats kinda why they call them  .... wait for it .... you got it, ::) ::) ::)  opinion pieces.  :D :D :D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 1st, 2014 at 12:23am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.


Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator.  During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition. 

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried.  Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible.  The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets.  Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism.   ::)


First of all, the NDIS wasn't fully funded and secondly her gender had zero to do with her downfall.


Actually, it had a great deal to do with it.  The attitudes of many on both sides of politics was that she was "barren" and that had "sacrificed her potential child bearing to her political ambitions", things which have never been mentioned about her male predecessors or successors.  Perhaps if Tim had been able to have kids, all would have been right?   ::)


Quote:
It was all about her policies and her incompetence - the same reasons for Rudd's downfall TWICE!!!


Yet, as I pointed out, despite her supposed "incompetence", Gilliard got all her legislation through both houses of Parliament despite leading a minority government.  She also retained the confidence of the House. Compare that with Tone's performance leading a majority government...   ::)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 1st, 2014 at 12:26am

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian... 


Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf.   ::)


Quote:
Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW  :D :D :D :D :D


Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.?   ::)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jul 1st, 2014 at 1:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 12:26am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian... 


Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf.   ::)


Quote:
Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW  :D :D :D :D :D


Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.?   ::)



Irrelevant really - stupid thing to even bring in to the discussion, like saying Christopher Pine Coffin (did you know there was a colonel in the Brit Para 1st Brigade in WWII named Pine-Coffin?  Trivia question of the day.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Geoffrey_Pine-Coffin) has dry balls..... may be true but who cares - it's his lack of a mind that is the worry.

As I pointed out elsewhere, though, she did make big noises about 'Asians will become middle class consumer of high quality finished goods!" - as if we actually made any such thing and we should all be tap-dancing on the roof at our looming mega-prosperity...... when the reality was the banana skins were beginning to slide on the decks of the boats leaving our shores....

Like the rest of them she had and has no idea what she is talking about in the real world, and was severely limited to sound bites, far too often for the purported 'feminist' lobby that we've all seen far to much of already.  Must be the water in the bubblers up there in Canberra...

Oh and two Wongs don't make a Right.....

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Hot Breath on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:57am
I don't think anyone disputes that she had her failings as a politician but as a PM she did much better than her opponents have claimed.    ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by King FriYAY II on Jul 1st, 2014 at 11:02am
I'd take Gillard before Kevin O'lemon or Tony "let's create the dumbest budget in history and only last 1 term" Abbott.


Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Winston Smith on Jul 1st, 2014 at 11:17am
Honestly, who cares about Julia Gillard anymore? Fact is she was the best PM we had since Howard. People should be concerned about Tony Abbott, he is by far the most unpopular and dangerous PM in Australian history. I have no doubt this latest budget is about 'punishing' the electorate due to the collective bruised egos of the Coalition having had to sit in opposition so long and tolerate the Rudd/Gillard fiasco. This is basically blackmail, making the people pay for their democratic indulgences. It will be worse for you if you don't cooperate, etc.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grand Duke Imam Gandalf on Jul 1st, 2014 at 11:34am
what an absurd leap in logic: labor MPs feared for their own seats because labor was doing so badly in the polls - therefore Gillard's overthrow had nothing to do with misogyny.

Why was labor doing badly in the polls?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by DaS Energy on Jul 1st, 2014 at 11:34am

Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 11:17am:
Honestly, who cares about Julia Gillard anymore? Fact is she was the best PM we had since Howard. People should be concerned about Tony Abbott, he is by far the most unpopular and dangerous PM in Australian history. I have no doubt this latest budget is about 'punishing' the electorate due to the collective bruised egos of the Coalition having had to sit in opposition so long and tolerate the Rudd/Gillard fiasco. This is basically blackmail, making the people pay for their democratic indulgences. It will be worse for you if you don't cooperate, etc.


Agreed Abbott hates the Australian punter don't swoon to him, he needs to prove he's a man and so takes it out upon those he thinks cant fight back, he hate being a half time Australian more in love with England than Australia, which is all Australians fault and they must be crippled to show the world he such a man!

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jul 1st, 2014 at 11:39am

Quote:
Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!


Referring to something printed in the Telegraph ???

Won't find the truth there.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by El Gatto on Jul 1st, 2014 at 2:06pm

Gillard's detractors can't RECOGNISE the truth.

Still pushing the CT misquote after all this time, for example.

Or 'Swann, the world's worst treasurer'. Funny, the rest of the world don't think so.

And the 'biased ABC' bullsh1t.

Tell 'em the sky is blue, they'd insist it was red and call you a liar.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by labor are corrupt on Jul 1st, 2014 at 7:07pm
Gillard the biggest liar in australian politics.

She made a few beds and lay in them.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by John Smith on Jul 1st, 2014 at 8:04pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 7:07pm:
Gillard the biggest liar in australian politics.

She made a few beds and lay in them.


take off your blinkers
:D :D :D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jul 1st, 2014 at 8:05pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 7:07pm:
Gillard the biggest liar in australian politics.

She made a few beds and lay in them.



She inadvertently broke 1 promise ?

Abbott broke about 15 just in the budget ???

I think we all know who the bigger liar is and it's not Gillard.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 1st, 2014 at 8:17pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 1:02am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 12:26am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian... 


Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf.   ::)


Quote:
Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW  :D :D :D :D :D


Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.?   ::)



Irrelevant really - stupid thing to even bring in to the discussion, like saying Christopher Pine Coffin (did you know there was a colonel in the Brit Para 1st Brigade in WWII named Pine-Coffin?  Trivia question of the day.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Geoffrey_Pine-Coffin) has dry balls..... may be true but who cares - it's his lack of a mind that is the worry.


The question of his fertility wouldn't even be mentioned yet it was, recurringly about Gillard.  That is IMO sexism.


Quote:
As I pointed out elsewhere, though, she did make big noises about 'Asians will become middle class consumer of high quality finished goods!" - as if we actually made any such thing and we should all be tap-dancing on the roof at our looming mega-prosperity...... when the reality was the banana skins were beginning to slide on the decks of the boats leaving our shores....

Like the rest of them she had and has no idea what she is talking about in the real world, and was severely limited to sound bites, far too often for the purported 'feminist' lobby that we've all seen far to much of already.  Must be the water in the bubblers up there in Canberra...

Oh and two Wongs don't make a Right.....


*YAWN*, you aiming for a soundgrab?

Gillard wasn't perfect, far from it.  She was quite successful as a PM.  She was a poor performer in front of the cameras and allowed the Opposition to seize the initiative and retain control of it.  However, in the ways in which PM's success is measured, she excelled.  She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her, despite the Opposition's rhetoric and all her legislative agenda was passed.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by labor are corrupt on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 1:02am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 12:26am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian... 


Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf.   ::)


Quote:
Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW  :D :D :D :D :D


Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.?   ::)



Irrelevant really - stupid thing to even bring in to the discussion, like saying Christopher Pine Coffin (did you know there was a colonel in the Brit Para 1st Brigade in WWII named Pine-Coffin?  Trivia question of the day.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Geoffrey_Pine-Coffin) has dry balls..... may be true but who cares - it's his lack of a mind that is the worry.


The question of his fertility wouldn't even be mentioned yet it was, recurringly about Gillard.  That is IMO sexism.

[quote]
As I pointed out elsewhere, though, she did make big noises about 'Asians will become middle class consumer of high quality finished goods!" - as if we actually made any such thing and we should all be tap-dancing on the roof at our looming mega-prosperity...... when the reality was the banana skins were beginning to slide on the decks of the boats leaving our shores....

Like the rest of them she had and has no idea what she is talking about in the real world, and was severely limited to sound bites, far too often for the purported 'feminist' lobby that we've all seen far to much of already.  Must be the water in the bubblers up there in Canberra...

Oh and two Wongs don't make a Right.....


*YAWN*, you aiming for a soundgrab?

Gillard wasn't perfect, far from it.  She was quite successful as a PM.  She was a poor performer in front of the cameras and allowed the Opposition to seize the initiative and retain control of it.  However, in the ways in which PM's success is measured, she excelled.  She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her, despite the Opposition's rhetoric and all her legislative agenda was passed.[/quote]


" She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her,"

Lol that's because she got knifed by bill shorten who I may add agreed with everything she said.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 12:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph. 



And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.



how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?



|dev|null wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader.  She never attacked disabled Australians!   ;D ;D ;D ;D




thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS...  from memory.....ooops   didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops ::) ::) ::) ::)

own goal.


Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator.  During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition. 

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried.  Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible.  The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets.  Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism.   ::)


First of all, the NDIS wasn't fully funded and secondly her gender had zero to do with her downfall.


Actually, it had a great deal to do with it.  The attitudes of many on both sides of politics was that she was "barren" and that had "sacrificed her potential child bearing to her political ambitions", things which have never been mentioned about her male predecessors or successors.  Perhaps if Tim had been able to have kids, all would have been right?   ::)


Quote:
It was all about her policies and her incompetence - the same reasons for Rudd's downfall TWICE!!!


Yet, as I pointed out, despite her supposed "incompetence", Gilliard got all her legislation through both houses of Parliament despite leading a minority government.  She also retained the confidence of the House. Compare that with Tone's performance leading a majority government...   ::)

yes Bwian most of it was allowed through by the opposition unopposed and unamended.  Wassup bwian logic and reason and facts left you completely these days?
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Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by labor are corrupt on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:33pm
Gillard lied her way into government and bought her stay there with taxpayers money.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Hot Breath on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 10:34am

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:33pm:
Gillard lied her way into government and bought her stay there with taxpayers money.


And how is this different from what the Mad Monk or any other politician has done?  Forgotten "core" and "non-core" promises?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:53pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:33pm:
Gillard lied her way into government













Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:04pm
Julia Gillard is often condemned as a low, underhanded, conniving, back-stabbing, self-interested, ineffectual, dishonest, ideology-ridden, name-calling usurper of the People's right to choose its leader.

Tony Abbott is often condemned as a low, underhanded, conniving, back-stabbing, self-interested, ineffectual, dishonest, ideology-ridden, name-calling usurper of the People's right to choose its leader.

I see a huge difference between the two.... but I am more concerned with the demise of this country under theri 'leadership'....

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:32pm


Quote:
...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-­building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................


people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by labor are corrupt on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 5:45pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 2:53pm:

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:33pm:
Gillard lied her way into government



Check shortens rubbery figures.




Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 5:47pm
Well...lets have a DD and see what the good people of Australia think  ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by labor are corrupt on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 5:56pm
Gillards next book "from the inside"

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by rabbitoh08 on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm

Datalife wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm:
I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!


And many here repeated the same lie and will continue to use it after knowing it is a lie. 

I suppose The Australian was lying too on teh eve of the election:


Julia Gillard's carbon price promise
JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983?nk=79f3e1a27583a97762ca55297acd1020

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:39pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:08pm:
" She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her,"

Lol that's because she got knifed by bill shorten who I may add agreed with everything she said.


The Opposition had the whole time she was in Government to move a no-confidence motion in the House.  They huffed and they puffed and despite all their hot air, her house made supposedly of straw kept on standing.   ::)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Datalife on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:40pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30th, 2014 at 3:41pm:
I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!


And many here repeated the same lie and will continue to use it after knowing it is a lie. 

I suppose The Australian was lying too on teh eve of the election:


Julia Gillard's carbon price promise
JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983?nk=79f3e1a27583a97762ca55297acd1020


Indeed, election eve and from your link


Quote:
In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

"I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax."

This is the strongest message Ms Gillard has sent about action on carbon pricing.

While any carbon price would not be triggered until after the 2013 election, Ms Gillard would have two potential legislative partners next term - the Coalition or the Greens. She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.

Earlier this year, then prime minister Kevin Rudd ditched Labor's plans to introduce a carbon price for the next term after the bills failed to pass the Senate.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 6:41pm
If things are so much better under the Liar King he should keep one of his promises and call a DD election.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Brian Ross on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 7:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Quote:
...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-­building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................


people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.


No, that was how the Opposition and the Media portrayed them, Sprint.  The reality was that much better than they allowed and unfortunately Gillard and her advisors were useless at getting their message out in the face of the concerted attack being made on them by Tone Rabbit and Rupert Murdoch.   ::)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by labor are corrupt on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 7:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Quote:
...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-­building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In pgolitics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................


people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.


No, that was how the Opposition and the Media portrayed them, Sprint.  The reality was that much better than they allowed and unfortunately Gillard and her advisors were useless at getting their message out in the face of the concerted attack being made on them by Tone Rabbit and Rupert Murdoch.   ::)


Even. WD40 won't help you brian

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Quote:
...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-­building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................


people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.


No, that was how the Opposition and the Media portrayed them, Sprint.  The reality was that much better than they allowed and unfortunately Gillard and her advisors were useless at getting their message out in the face of the concerted attack being made on them by Tone Rabbit and Rupert Murdoch.   ::)



I think that was one of their problems.
Trying to "get their message out".
Had they just concentrated on "governing Australia" a MUCH better "message" would have "got out"

eg, the Libs are not interested in "getting  their message out." They have stopped the boats. That does not need to be sold.
I understand that message loud and clear.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 9:08pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1st, 2014 at 10:33pm:
Gillard lied her way into government and bought her stay there with taxpayers money.



You don't seem to mind that Abbott deliberatly told a hundred times more lies to do the same thing ?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 9:09pm
Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!

Reported from a source which is a stranger to the truth.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Hot Breath on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:29am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 8:42pm:
I think that was one of their problems.
Trying to "get their message out".
Had they just concentrated on "governing Australia" a MUCH better "message" would have "got out"


They actually were.  Australia recorded the highest GDP growth in the OECD during the Labor governments.  Australia did not have a recession unlike every other Western government in the developed world.  Australians enjoyed unprecedented levels of prosperity.  How can you argue against these truths?


Quote:
eg, the Libs are not interested in "getting  their message out." They have stopped the boats. That does not need to be sold.
I understand that message loud and clear.


That message like everything else the Mad Monk claims must be examined closely and when you do, you find it is a lie.  Boats are coming, they're just being turned back or the refugees are being refouled to the regimes they are fleeing.  Australia is breaking the treaties it is signatory to.  And you're proud of your Xenophobia!  Disgusting!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:34am
I agree with sprint to some degree here - and say the same with this lot .  they are spending all their efforts trying to 'sell' their budget - a forlorn hope - instead of actually running the country for its people.

Better to come out and say - OK - you lot don't want this - let us take a look at it without our commission of idiots and get back to you.

They should always have had a backup plan in place - not just some thrust to the heart and then a refusal to back down when challenged over it.

Shows the paucity of government here.. no planning and lot of rhetoric.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Hot Breath on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 4th, 2014 at 2:10am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:34am:
I agree with sprint to some degree here - and say the same with this lot .  they are spending all their efforts trying to 'sell' their budget - a forlorn hope - instead of actually running the country for its people.

Better to come out and say - OK - you lot don't want this - let us take a look at it without our commission of idiots and get back to you.

They should always have had a backup plan in place - not just some thrust to the heart and then a refusal to back down when challenged over it.

Shows the paucity of government here.. no planning and lot of rhetoric.


yes, the talk about 'selling a budget' is wasted effort.
Lay down the budget, let the public and chat rooms say whatever they want. Budgets are not set down by twitter feeds.
See how it goes through parliament, that is how budgets proceed.
I don't think this govt has put big resources into selling it. they shouldn't. Lots of people dislike it, that's how it is.
We have a debt and deficit to wrestle with.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Jul 4th, 2014 at 7:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 2:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:34am:
I agree with sprint to some degree here - and say the same with this lot .  they are spending all their efforts trying to 'sell' their budget - a forlorn hope - instead of actually running the country for its people.

Better to come out and say - OK - you lot don't want this - let us take a look at it without our commission of idiots and get back to you.

They should always have had a backup plan in place - not just some thrust to the heart and then a refusal to back down when challenged over it.

Shows the paucity of government here.. no planning and lot of rhetoric.


yes, the talk about 'selling a budget' is wasted effort.
Lay down the budget, let the public and chat rooms say whatever they want. Budgets are not set down by twitter feeds.
See how it goes through parliament, that is how budgets proceed.
I don't think this govt has put big resources into selling it. they shouldn't. Lots of people dislike it, that's how it is.
We have a debt and deficit to wrestle with.


I think the question is how to go about dealing with debt and deficit - not always bad things in themselves - every household has them, and it depends on the balance between debt and income.  Sensible government organises that in advance, same as sensible households..... which latter, by the way, fund their own breeding programs....

I prefer generating genuine prosperity with genuine forward-looking policies - re-development of genuine industrial base and farming etc - government here either prefer to push their ideology or put their fingers in the dyke of cash (nasty budgets, banana republicanism with resources etc) without materially altering one substantial thing that affects revenue and outgo.

Someone posted figures that showed the net effect of this Budget of Evil was the same as not having it at all.

Paying Richie to rob Poor will never work.. nor should it.  These are not the medieval days of the lord in the castle....

Hang 'em and hang 'em high!  After a fair trial, of course.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by John Smith on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:43am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Based on that, you must agree Gillard had to mandate to introduce the carbon tax, right ?

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:57am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

So they have a mandate to stop the boats and repeal the carbon tax....  the latter which is ALP POLICY and which the ALP have been stopping them from doing.... :D :D :D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:58am

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by John Smith on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:50am

Grendel wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.


and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Hot Breath on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:58am

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.


and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot?  ;D ;D ;D ;D


He does appear somewhat touched!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2014 at 11:00am

|dev|null wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.


and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot?  ;D ;D ;D ;D


He does appear somewhat touched!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

hey Bwian...  that is you right?
Love the pointless ad hom you and Johnboy go well together.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Karnal on Jul 4th, 2014 at 11:07am

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.


and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot?  ;D ;D ;D ;D


He'll call you biased next. You'll get the tin foil helmet picture.

The Libs have no mandate on things they didn't promise. They actually promised to keep health and education funding at the current levels. They also promised "not to touch pensions".

The Libs have a mandate to enact these policies, and the opposition has a mandate to hold them to their word.

The mandate argument does, however, apply to the carbon tax. This was an ironclad promise by the Libs.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Dnarever on Jul 4th, 2014 at 12:30pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Based on that, you must agree Gillard had to mandate to introduce the carbon tax, right ?



At the point that she agreed with the greens proposal to introduce a fixed carbon price I do not believe that she believed it was a tax. When she said no Tax I  was thinking that she meant Tony Abbotts tax proposal which she did in fact rule out.

The fixed carbon price is in fact a tax and she did in fact break her commitment because of the way it was implemented, what she said pre election was stupid. Though it is also a fact that she did later state that she would introduce a carbon price mechanism that term if possible.

I always agreed that their was no mandate for the fixed carbon price.

In terms of it being a lie I do not believe it was deliberate as was the Howard GST lie or any of the 15 or more Abbott budget lies. But of course you have no problem at all with the Abbott lies now do you.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Soren on Jul 4th, 2014 at 7:11pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.


and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot?  ;D ;D ;D ;D


He does appear somewhat touched!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:
They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them!  Idiots! 

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.



They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.


Based on that, you must agree Gillard had to mandate to introduce the carbon tax, right ?



At the point that she agreed with the greens proposal to introduce a fixed carbon price I do not believe that she believed it was a tax. When she said no Tax I  was thinking that she meant Tony Abbotts tax proposal which she did in fact rule out.

The fixed carbon price is in fact a tax and she did in fact break her commitment because of the way it was implemented, what she said pre election was stupid. Though it is also a fact that she did later state that she would introduce a carbon price mechanism that term if possible.

I always agreed that their was no mandate for the fixed carbon price.

In terms of it being a lie I do not believe it was deliberate as was the Howard GST lie or any of the 15 or more Abbott budget lies. But of course you have no problem at all with the Abbott lies now do you.


Wow, still with the GST lie? You know Howard was originally against it and then down the track said he'd introduce one if re-elected. He won the election and kept his promise. No lies, just a change of mind that he took to an election. Gillard lied to save her job, simple as that. You cannot spin your way out of that.

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:50pm
DNA got run over by that truck ages ago...  problem is he's still in a coma and keeps repeating the same crap over and over again ::) ::) ::)
Come on DNA time to face reality.
You're just making yourself look stupid on this   ;)

Title: Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 5th, 2014 at 7:03am

Grendel wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:50pm:
DNA got run over by that truck ages ago...  problem is he's still in a coma and keeps repeating the same crap over and over again ::) ::) ::)
Come on DNA time to face reality.
You're just making yourself look stupid on this   ;)


Yep, then the truck reversed over her argument and drove over it again and again and again...

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