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Title: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Jul 11th, 2014 at 10:53am
Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi on Thursday warned trade unions they must accept job cuts at flag carrier Alitalia as part of a deal with Gulf airline Etihad or face bankruptcy.
"It's clear that everyone has to make sacrifices," Renzi said, as government-mediated talks between the airline's management and unions continue over plans to axe 2,200 jobs. "It's not about 'x' number of jobs or 'y' number of jobs being cut. It's about that or closure," he said. Renzi praised the Etihad proposal saying it would give Alitalia "enormous potential for growth in the future". But he added: "Now is the time for belt-tightening." Unions have asked the company to go for salary reductions and temporary layoffs instead of permanent redundancies. Emirates airline Etihad Airways is planning to buy a 49-percent stake in the debt-laden Italian company. Bankruptcy for Alitalia would have a severe financial and psychological impact on Italy which is struggling to climb out of a deep recession that lasted more than two years. Alitalia, which employs 12,800 people, is owned by about 20 companies -- all of which are private except the Italian postal service which acquired an interest of 19.48 percent last year during a capital increase. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Jul 11th, 2014 at 10:54am
And this is not his first tilt at the ingrained order in Italia.
Italians must continue to back this bloke or slide back into a dark future. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by John Smith on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:00pm
the mafia will take care of him ... ;)
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Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:15pm
You'd be surprised how many in our Milan office still speak highly of Berlusconi.
I think for all the other stuff, he actually brought stability and leadership to Italy. From a political sense he's not a bad role to look at. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by John Smith on Jul 11th, 2014 at 11:22pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:15pm:
Actually, I was surprised yesterday about him ... for some reason I always thought he was some rich kid who'd profited from his parents hard work ... yesterday I found out he was actually a self made bloke My level of respect for him has gone up heaps |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:30am
Yes, he was self-made and the other sex stuff doesn't matter a jot.
But he really let Italy languish in the mire of bureaucratic and almost medieval systems of govt & business while he concentrated on whatever he had to do to stay in power. I think the present guy has a fresh outlook and may break through a lot of the rubbish. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by John Smith on Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:49pm bogarde73 wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:30am:
I agree, I arespect for his business accomplishments, I''m not a fan of his politics or his ability to lead the country ... he was too self serving. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:32pm
Yesterday I watched a doco made in 2012 called "Girlfriend in a Coma". The "girlfriend" of the title is Italy and the doco, co-written & narrated by the former Editor-in_Chief of the Economist, is essentially a long look back at Italy's decline since the 1960s.
I have to say it's changed my view of Berlusconi from what I said above. For instance, there seems little doubt that far from being a self-made man, his wealth has originally been sourced by one of the three mafia organisations. His association with sex is also less a personal issue than I had thought. In fact, this long doco spends some time in showing how Italian TV has become a vehicle for the sexualisation of women and little else during the past 20 years. The various statistics presented on a whole range of issues document Italy's decline, not only economically but socially and politically. I can't remember them, I didn't pause it to write them down, but I could see they were well sourced - OECD, UN etc. One I remember though was that Italy's debt position had actually become worse than that of Greece. Another was as follows: in the period 1870-1979, 29 million Italians emigrated and they were mainly the poor; in the last 10 years, 1 million had emigrated and they were mostly graduates and mainly young. It's not entirely a Berlusconi story though. It goes into a lot of background on the mafia groups, on the corruption in politics, on the murders & crime etc going back to the 1960s. There is some optimism at the end of the program though. A lot of the bright young Italians living abroad were interviewed and they were all hoping for and looking forward to being able to return home if the society could be turned around. And quite a few CEOs, such as of Fiat and Ferraro, and leading intellectuals & political figures were also interviewed and expressed optimism that Italy was ready to change. If you can get hold of the program, it's worth seeing. It ran on SBS. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by Honky on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:23pm
Italy always had a leader, Berlusconi was a powerhouse. He was even more dominant than Putin.
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Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Aug 10th, 2014 at 2:49pm
The thing about the Italian experience of the last 50 years is that there is a lesson in it for all western economies and societies:
- the corruption & disaffection with politics - the reckless growth of public debt - the nepotism & favouritism in all walks of life - the failure of the law, order & justice system |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by John Smith on Aug 10th, 2014 at 3:02pm bogarde73 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:32pm:
no doubt at all .... at the time that Berlusconi started, you could not develop the Naples area, which is where Berlusconi got his start, without the mafia on side. The whole problem with Italian politics is corruption. If they can't buy you, they'll either kill you or use all their influence (of which they have heaps) to discredit you and bring you down. The only reason Berlusconi was able to hang in so long was that he had organised crime on side. The problem is with all that corruption is that the politicians have to offer the voter something to get them to overlook the corruption. This came in the form of handouts etc that they could not afford. Berlusconi was so hung up on hanging onto the top job at any cost, he even gave me the right to vote. I was born in Australia but have a right to vote and the right to an Italian passport. The Italian parliament even has an MP that resides permanently in Melbourne. My parents on the other hand, were born in Italy, but have no right to vote in Italy or hold an Italian passport ... go figure |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by cods on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:01pm bogarde73 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 2:49pm:
ahhhh but their shoes bogy... their shoes....I bought 3 pairs when in Naples. many years ago..nothing like what we can buy here...they were just sublime.. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:39pm bogarde73 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:32pm:
Suffice it to say that, without exception, Italy's ranking had sunk to within the middle to lower range of third world countries, whether that was in economic, governmental or society issues. Incidentally, I meant to add this comment on Girlfriend in a Coma to another thread I had started on Italy, but couldn't find it. I just started one day thinking, what has happened to Italy, because I remember how they were once a centre of post-war excellence in manufacture & the arts. I remembered the great great movies that came out of Cinecitta Rome and wondered where had all that gone. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by perceptions_now on Aug 11th, 2014 at 6:02pm
Italy Slips Back Into Recession in Second Quarter
Disappointing Growth Data Add Pressure on Prime Minister Matteo Renzi ROME—Italy has slipped into its third recession since 2008, data showed Wednesday, in an unexpected setback that threatens to restrain the broader euro zone's fitful recovery. The weak Italian data surprised economists, many of whom had forecast a return to slight growth. Coupled with fears that the Ukraine conflict might worsen, the figures contributed to a slide in European financial markets on Wednesday. http://online.wsj.com/articles/italy-slips-back-into-recession-in-second-quarter-1407318527 ======================================== Leader? Leader in what? As for those "Economists", most haven't a clue, But even those who do, they seem to have problems with telling the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth! |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by Lord Herbert on Aug 11th, 2014 at 6:07pm ... wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:23pm:
You mean Puccini. If every migrant of Italian descent throughout the world donated just the equivalent of $100 to the Italian government ~ it would be overflowing with funds. |
Title: Re: Italy now has a leader Post by bogarde73 on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:51pm
Europe's next growth engine
Alessio Terzi | 30 Oct, 5:37 PM | Bruegel “I bet you that in the next 10 years, Italy will return to be the [economic] leader of Europe, the locomotive of Europe.” When reading these words on TIME magazine in late April 2014, many must have thought that Italy’s then new Prime Minister Matteo Renzi was at best youthfully delusional, at worst a dazzling propagandist. Scepticism was all but unwarranted for a country that, over the past decades, had proved serially impossible to reform and, as a consequence, is the only EU member state, together with Greece, where real GDP is now below its 2000 level. However, one and a half years down the road, the Prime Minister’s optimistic view for Italy starts no longer looking like a completely far-fetched scenario, but rather as a possibility. Important reforms put in place over the past months, combined with a conjunction of particularly supportive external factors, mean that Italy could indeed become the fastest growing large economy in the euro area in a not-too-distant future. Notwithstanding a wafer-thin majority in Parliament, Renzi has managed to secure approval for reforms that have the potential to restructure deeply the Italian economy. A substantial liberalisation of the labour market, embodied in the so-called ‘Jobs Act’, could boost Italy’s appallingly low employment rate by as much as 10 percentage points over the long term according to a survey of business leaders attending the Forum Ambrosetti, and reverse the decline in labour productivity observed during the 2000s. With a final vote in the Senate in early August, foundations have been laid for a deep reorganisation of the public administration. Designed to simplify the byzantine bureaucratic apparatus that has long choked the Italian economy, the PA reform is also set to promote transparency and clearer lines of accountability. Past success stories show how these are precisely the set of principles behind an effective anti-corruption strategy, in a country where the problem has become disconcertingly rampant. The latest major addition to Renzi’s reform checklist is an agreement on overhauling the Italian institutional set-up that, in the Prime Minister’s plans, will transform the Senate in a regional chamber with little say on national legislative matters. Combined with the electoral reform -- the so called Italicum -- approved in May, the constitutional reform has the potential to ensure political stability to a country where the average lifetime of a government in the post-War era has been 12 months. Tables have turned in favour of Renzi’s prophecy also due to a set of particularly favourable external conditions. The ECB’s QE program has proved more successful in Italy than elsewhere in rekindling bank-lending channels, while a combination of low oil prices and a weak euro have bolstered the country’s domestic and foreign demand. Finally, the compression of sovereign bond yields resulting from the ECB’s actions have granted Italy more fiscal leeway: a lever that the Renzi government seems set to use to the fullest extent. All the above suggests that indeed Italy could potentially become the fastest growing large economy in the euro area over the next few years. However, this scenario has merely moved from wishful thinking to an eventuality, still hardly representing the baseline. While the reforms put in place so far represent important milestones that could help transform the recovery from cyclical to structural, their success will rest on effective implementation. The overarching framework of the PA reform was indeed approved by Parliament, but will require as many as 20 executive decrees in order to be completed. As usual, the devil will be in the details. Similarly, agreement was reached on the text of the constitutional reform, but this will still require a final vetting in Parliament and, most likely, official sanctioning by a referendum in late 2016. More in general, Italy’s reform agenda is far from completed, with important measures still needed to shorten the length of judicial procedures, simplify the current labyrinthine tax system, bring wage bargaining closer to plant level, and restructure the banking sector, only to mention a few priorities. Moreover, Italy’s longstanding vulnerabilities such as its mammoth public debt -- second only to Greece’s in GDP terms -- and high dependency on energy imports imply that a macroeconomic shock, be it in the form of renewed financial market jitters or higher oil prices, could easily derail the recovery. The challenges facing Italy are formidable, but an equally formidable and far-reaching reform plan can succeed in finally bringing the country back to sustained growth after decades of stagnation. As the recovery gains traction and reforms start bearing fruit over the coming months, no resting on laurels will be allowed if Renzi intends to win his bet. |
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