The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

didn't he get his preferences from Labor and Greens?

as Tony Abbott said before the election..

if you don't vote for Liberal, at least give your vote to another major party... like Labor and/or Green

not to an independent who will put you over a barrel and give it to you in the rear..

but what did we get?

an independent with 0.5% of the vote running the country...

Abbott warned that this could happen... and it has

the Libs worst nightmare.. 

and you may laugh at that...

but its also the worst nightmare that Australians could have...

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

Yes, he'll fit right in.

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

So, what is your problem?

Stupidity and ignorance have never previously been bars to election as a politician.  Is it that he won on such a small primary vote, but preferences in his favour carried him over the line?  It can't really be that as many politicians have been elected in a similar fashion.  It can't be the money, as they have always been paid.  I think I know what is really pissing you off.

Given the tiny percentage of the vote that the Nats keep getting Muir is at least as deserving as those dimwitted lap dogs.

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat.

Stop playing the man, start playing the ball.

Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

look at all the whingers come out of the woodwork  ......  :D :D :D

they are the election results, accept it and stop crying

Quote:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what

... sounds more like abbott.

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. So, what is your problem? Stupidity and ignorance have never previously been bars to election as a politician.  Is it that he won on such a small primary vote, but preferences in his favour carried him over the line?  It can't really be that as many politicians have been elected in a similar fashion.  It can't be the money, as they have always been paid.  I think I know what is really pissing you off.

Then tell me, dear psychologist.

____ wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

Quote: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what ... sounds more like abbott.

He's actually more articulate than Abbott.

LOL ... what am I saying? Everyone is more articulate than Abbott.

Verge wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

Never said anything different.

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:03pm:

look at all the whingers come out of the woodwork  ......  :D :D :D they are the election results, accept it and stop crying

What are you getting at?

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:32pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. So, what is your problem? Stupidity and ignorance have never previously been bars to election as a politician.  Is it that he won on such a small primary vote, but preferences in his favour carried him over the line?  It can't really be that as many politicians have been elected in a similar fashion.  It can't be the money, as they have always been paid.  I think I know what is really pissing you off. Then tell me, dear psychologist.

Matty, you know as well as I do that if Muir were lining up as part of the LNP Senate bloc, you'd be his greatest cheer leader. 

Verge wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

[smiley=thumbup.gif]
Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election.

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:03pm: look at all the whingers come out of the woodwork  ......  :D :D :D they are the election results, accept it and stop crying What are you getting at?

STOP WHINGING about the election result

Bam wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election.

How will that get through the current Senate?

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:22pm: Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election. How will that get through the current Senate?

probably labor and libs will get together on it ...... we can't upset the status quo

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Bam wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:22pm: Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election. How will that get through the current Senate? probably labor and libs will get together on it ...... we can't upset the status quo

Yeas......but PUP sees that coming, and it will not put its own head in a noose.  Some time soon, people will realise that Palmer is politically astute, and he does have access to pretty sound advice, even if he has to pay for it.

Bam wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election.

That is good news.
The smaller parties are a waste of space.
One of the reasons I back FPTP is because it takes the little parties out.

Of course he deserves his seat in Parliament.
He put himself 'out there', walked the streets in his electorate and met people and was able to be familiar with the local issues, and obviously many people had faith in him.
Apart from that, he chucks roo poo real far which is an attribute that will come in handy I'm sure.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:22pm: Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election. That is good news. The smaller parties are a waste of space. One of the reasons I back FPTP is because it takes the little parties out.

No, more likely because it effectively silences and disenfranchises a part of the electorate which you, personally, dislike.

That's one HELL of a good reason to oppose FPTP, as I have, do, and will.

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:05pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:32pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. So, what is your problem? Stupidity and ignorance have never previously been bars to election as a politician.  Is it that he won on such a small primary vote, but preferences in his favour carried him over the line?  It can't really be that as many politicians have been elected in a similar fashion.  It can't be the money, as they have always been paid.  I think I know what is really pissing you off. Then tell me, dear psychologist. Matty, you know as well as I do that if Muir were lining up as part of the LNP Senate bloc, you'd be his greatest cheer leader.

Matty?

I am not an LNP supporter. At the present moment I don't support either Liberal or Labor. This thread was opened for oneurpose only, that I saw this dipshit on youtube and despaired at the quality lack thereof that we have in Parliament, and the fact he got in on 0.5% of the vote.

I did not expect you to out yourself Matty.

the country is fkd, it only too 100 years of voting to produce a result that basically hamstrings the elected governments, labor got screwed by the greens, LNP will get screwed by PUP.

And who pays the price of this garbage.

You and I.

I hope Abbott goes for a DD and people finally see how voting for minor parties causes massive problems.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Of course he deserves his seat in Parliament. He put himself 'out there', walked the streets in his electorate and met people and was able to be familiar with the local issues, and obviously many people had faith in him. Apart from that, he chucks roo poo real far which is an attribute that will come in handy I'm sure.

out of 12 million registered voters you know how many first preferences he got??

1500.

Can someone go to Matty's house and close tight the sock drawer?

Bam wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election.

Do you have a link, Bam?

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Can someone go to Matty's house and close tight the sock drawer?

;D


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woof woof wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:30pm: Of course he deserves his seat in Parliament. He put himself 'out there', walked the streets in his electorate and met people and was able to be familiar with the local issues, and obviously many people had faith in him. Apart from that, he chucks roo poo real far which is an attribute that will come in handy I'm sure. out of 12 million registered voters you know how many first preferences he got?? 1500.

I didn't realise Victoria had 12 million voters.

re the topic
Quick answer...  IMO NO.

Grendel wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 11:46pm:

re the topic Quick answer...  IMO NO.

if you live in Victoria you can make that opinion heard at the next election, 6-12 months from now.

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

The last election with regard to the Senate was a pathetic joke, with imbeciles like Muir getting in while others who had vastly more votes missed out. If ever there was a case to show why voting in the Senate needs to be changed, the September 2013 election is it. Either have a first past the post system without preferences or make it optional preferences as is the case in NSW.

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is.

Is that the Mad Monk you are talking about. :D

I think we are getting more value for money out of Muir rather than the Mad Monk.

But I might be wrong on both accounts. Let's put it to the vote  ;) :).

A DD anyone?  ;D - have ya got the balls Liar King/LNP?  ;D

The 'brain dead drongo' has enough smarts to keep putting a wrecking ball through legislation.

Won't matter a freckle to all those drongo motorheads who voted him in.

red baron wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

The 'brain dead nice person' has enough smarts to keep putting a wrecking ball through legislation. Won't matter a freckled to all those drongo motorheads who voted him in.

The wrecking ball is this government in its desperation agreeing to absolutely everything. 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. The last election with regard to the Senate was a pathetic joke, with imbeciles like Muir getting in while others who had vastly more votes missed out. If ever there was a case to show why voting in the Senate needs to be changed, the September 2013 election is it. Either have a first past the post system without preferences or make it optional preferences as is the case in NSW.

DD time! DD time! 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. The last election with regard to the Senate was a pathetic joke, with imbeciles like Muir getting in while others who had vastly more votes missed out. If ever there was a case to show why voting in the Senate needs to be changed, the September 2013 election is it. Either have a first past the post system without preferences or make it optional preferences as is the case in NSW.

First past the post is terrible. It basically forces you to pick winners if you want a say on the election meaning you can't vote for your preferred choice. In effect it entrenches the 2-party system more heavily. The optional preferential voting is a little better, but still suffers from the same problem enhancing the 2-party system.

A better solution is allow above-the-line preferences. This both simplifies the process and removes the ability of micro parties to do preference deals, while still retaining the ability for smaller parties who are preferred to get elected.

woof woof wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:30pm: Of course he deserves his seat in Parliament. He put himself 'out there', walked the streets in his electorate and met people and was able to be familiar with the local issues, and obviously many people had faith in him. Apart from that, he chucks roo poo real far which is an attribute that will come in handy I'm sure. out of 12 million registered voters you know how many first preferences he got?? 1500.

Not many at all is it.
However, don't blame the man, blame the system.

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. So, what is your problem? Stupidity and ignorance have never previously been bars to election as a politician.  Is it that he won on such a small primary vote, but preferences in his favour carried him over the line?  It can't really be that as many politicians have been elected in a similar fashion.  It can't be the money, as they have always been paid.  I think I know what is really pissing you off.

garbage.  yes senators have been elected on preferences, but they came to the party with 4-8% of the primary vote while this clown got 0.% which is only one-third of the previous lowest vote (NDP)

IN related news, Mr X's running mate got 0.8% of a quota (11%) of the vote and was not elected.

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:22pm: Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election. How will that get through the current Senate?

The ALP and Coalition would both support it. ergo, it passes.

Verge wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

wrong. 'deserve' is not a constitutional term, it is a value judgment. so no, he does not deserve to be there by any measurement other than the electoral system.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:04pm: Quote: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what ... sounds more like abbott. He's actually more articulate than Abbott. LOL ... what am I saying? Everyone is more articulate than Abbott.

given that no one has yet heard Muir give a full and complete grammatically correct sentence in public, you are wrong.

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:32pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:25pm: Bam wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:22pm: Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. [smiley=thumbup.gif] Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election. How will that get through the current Senate? probably labor and libs will get together on it ...... we can't upset the status quo Yeas......but PUP sees that coming, and it will not put its own head in a noose.  Some time soon, people will realise that Palmer is politically astute, and he does have access to pretty sound advice, even if he has to pay for it.

politically astute??? he has the skills of a bully with deep pockets and no more. and the changes to senate voting will be done with coalition and labor support. PUPpet go be safely ignored.

... wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. Yes, he'll fit right in.

I was about to post the same thing.

If he is brain dead, then he will be great friends with the p.m

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

... wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:31pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. Yes, he'll fit right in. I was about to post the same thing. If he is brain dead, then he will be great friends with the p.m

primary school retort.

Muir has year 10 schooling. Abbott has multiple degrees and Rhodes Scholar.  It is pretty easy to see who is the stupid one.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 1:18pm: ... wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:31pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. Yes, he'll fit right in. I was about to post the same thing. If he is brain dead, then he will be great friends with the p.m primary school retort. Muir has year 10 schooling. Abbott has multiple degrees and Rhodes Scholar.  It is pretty easy to see who is the stupid one.

Tony because not even Oxford could make him smart?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 1:18pm: ... wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:31pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 4:22pm: The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years. Yes, he'll fit right in. I was about to post the same thing. If he is brain dead, then he will be great friends with the p.m primary school retort. Muir has year 10 schooling. Abbott has multiple degrees and Rhodes Scholar.  It is pretty easy to see who is the stupid one.

Stupid is not mutually exclusive.

Does Ricky Muir deserve his seat in Parliament?

It would be difficult to stand all day ?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. wrong. 'deserve' is not a constitutional term, it is a value judgment. so no, he does not deserve to be there by any measurement other than the electoral system.

What system do we use to decide who will be in parliament?

He is there for the same reason as all the others.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Verge wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat. Stop playing the man, start playing the ball. Its not his fault he got elected, its the system. wrong. 'deserve' is not a constitutional term, it is a value judgment. so no, he does not deserve to be there by any measurement other than the electoral system. What system do we use to decide who will be in parliament? He is there for the same reason as all the others.

A whack preferencing system?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 11:46pm: re the topic Quick answer...  IMO NO. if you live in Victoria you can make that opinion heard at the next election, 6-12 months from now.

Unfortunately as much as I love Melbourne, I am not currently living there.

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Does Ricky Muir deserve his seat in Parliament? It would be difficult to stand all day ?

Perhaps they could give him one of these:


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