Should Israel continue to bomb Gaza, and consider to invade Gaza - to punish Hamas ?



If Hamas cadres are launching rockets from Gaza, and those rockets are targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Sderot and other Israeli population centres, how should Israel respond ?

Is Israel justified in targeting Hamas cadres in Gaza, using air strikes, even if it is likely that some civilians in Gaza may be killed ?

If the people of Gaza want the punishing Israeli reprisals against Hamas rocket launches to stop, should the people of Gaza demand that Hamas stop rocketing Israeli cities ?

Or is that too much to ask ?       :D

n.b.
Hamas is the elected governing authority in Gaza.

Hamas in Gaza, is democracy at work - among a moslem populace.

Hamas is recognised as a terror entity [by the world community], isn't it ?

Yadda wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Should Israel continue to bomb Gaza, and consider to invade Gaza - to punish Hamas ? If Hamas cadres are launching rockets from Gaza, and those rockets are targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Sderot and other Israeli population centres, how should Israel respond ? Is Israel justified in targeting Hamas cadres in Gaza, using air strikes, even if it is likely that some civilians in Gaza may be killed ? If the people of Gaza want the punishing Israeli reprisals against Hamas rocket launches to stop, should the people of Gaza demand that Hamas stop rocketing Israeli cities ? Or is that too much to ask ?       :D n.b. Hamas is the elected governing authority in Gaza. Hamas in Gaza, is democracy at work - among a moslem populace. Hamas is recognised as a terror entity [by the world community], isn't it ?

Whoever kidnapped and murdered those three Jewish boys was planning just this kind of strife.  What everyone is now focusing on is the Jews hitting BACK.  Jews are not supposed to be hitting back. Jews are supposed to be going quietly. 
But with the creation of liberal, democratic Israel, that paradigm is over.   I am with Israel.

".....Hamas is a recognised terrorist organisation, motivated by the most radical ideology, including a charter that calls for the murder of all Jews."


Google;
Hamas charter, calls for the genocide of all Jews



The Israel/Palestinian conflict.....

It is not about land [for a Palestinian 'homeland']....

The Israel/Palestinian conflict - is about ISLAM and about 'pre-set' ISLAMIC religious doctrines.    Koran 9.29




Quote:

THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS - MAIN POINTS .... On the Destruction of Israel: ----------------------------- 'Israel will exist and  will  continue  to  exist  until  Islam  will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area: ---------------------------------------- 'The  land  of  Palestine  is  an  Islamic  Waqf  [Holy   Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No  one can renounce it or any part, or  abandon  it  or  any  part  of  it.' (Article 11) 'Palestine is  an  Islamic  land...  Since  this  is  the  case,  the Liberation of Palestine  is  an  individual  duty  for  every  Moslem wherever he may be.' (Article 13)....

http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm




'Palestinians' are not fighting for a 'homeland'.

The 'Palestinians' are fighting the Jewish people, because the Jewish people [LIVING in the ancient homeland of the Jewish people - Israel], are not moslems.

Period.

The Israel/Palestinian conflict, is another moslem conflict with 'local' infidels.




As per the directives of Allah;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39






".....which deceiveth the whole world:"

Israel was promised by God himself to the Jews.

All you need for proof is the Bible.   ;D

There is a peck order and human communities need to respect that.
The owners of lumps of concrete need to realise they are lower in the peck order than the owners of tanks.
You deserve a Darwin Award for throwing a rock at a tank.
Mother Earth doesn't need stupid people like the Palestinians. The other middle eastern nations despise them as well. They need to wisen up and stop relying on Jewish good will for their survival,
If I was in a tank and someone threw a rock at me, he'd get a burst of machine gun fire to his belly. I'd see it as my duty to rid the world of such stupidity,
I'm amazed the Jews are so gentlemanly about it, the Palestinians are always acting in a warlike fashion. They should be met with overwhelming force, my only criticism of Israel is they are a bit soft when consistent firm discipline is needed with these tantrum throwing grubs

Bobby. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

Israel was promised by God himself to the Jews. All you need for proof is the Bible.   ;D

THE PROMISE [to be taken into the presence of God], was made to those who love, and obey God.



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'All you need for proof is the Bible.'


bobby,

Surrounding moslem nations have been assailing Israel - since 1948.

Today, Israel exists, is strong, and is thriving.



Israel - proof that God exists.

Israel - proof that the Bible is God's word.







Luke 21:24
........and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

1948, 1967


Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.






Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2  When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3  For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
4  Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
5  Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6  I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7  Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.



1948

Isaiah 66:8
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


Jeremiah 23:7
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8  But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.




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In contrast with Israel,          every moslem nation in the region is in disarray and is being rent apart with internal - moslem - conflicts.

Why so ?

Aren't the moslems, the people who are blessed by Allah, their god -
...as a reward to moslems, for their righteousness, FOR BEING MOSLEMS ?





ISRAEL....

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee....

Genesis 27:29
....cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

Numbers 24:9
....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.






Moslems have been deceived          ...by their own jealousy and self-pride.

And moslems have been cursed, BY GOD - because of their wicked enmity towards their brothers, Israel.



ISLAM is a false religion.

Mohammed is a false [self-serving] prophet.

Moslems are slaves,         to a false and wicked spirit.


Galatians
4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29  But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



The blessing [of God], is with the children of Isaac [and Jacob - ISRAEL].

Genesis 21:10
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11  And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
12  And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.




....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:22

Bobby. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

Israel was promised by God himself to the Jews. All you need for proof is the Bible.   ;D

I guess you want a letter from God  ;D

aquascoot wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 2:28am:

There is a peck order and human communities need to respect that. The owners of lumps of concrete need to realise they are lower in the peck order than the owners of tanks. You deserve a Darwin Award for throwing a rock at a tank. Mother Earth doesn't need stupid people like the Palestinians. The other middle eastern nations despise them as well. They need to wisen up and stop relying on Jewish good will for their survival, If I was in a tank and someone threw a rock at me, he'd get a burst of machine gun fire to his belly. I'd see it as my duty to rid the world of such stupidity, I'm amazed the Jews are so gentlemanly about it, the Palestinians are always acting in a warlike fashion. They should be met with overwhelming force, my only criticism of Israel is they are a bit soft when consistent firm discipline is needed with these tantrum throwing grubs

I have to agree here it is a bit ridiculous to say the least. Almost every country has been fought over and won no matter how the confrontation came about. Yet all we hear again and again is the how the so called rich Palestinian culture was invaded  by Jews when there was no such place called Palestine historically and don't roll out Philistine either because that aint it. Have it out , with them they obviously want a fisty cuffs and may the best man win.

If someone shot rockets at my country and they were a few nomads hiding in rabble I'd concrete their place and make a roller rink out of it.

Yadda - your posts are too long to read.

They seem easily and quickly readable to me.

Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?


I think they already have.,.. sorry your too late.

half a dozen well placed nukes would solve half the worlds problems .....

The first one should be on Israel!!

The new NAZI's,

Their German masters trained them well!!

Bobby. wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

Israel was promised by God himself to the Jews. All you need for proof is the Bible.   ;D

Men like yourself are so clever!

Haha!!!!!

It is to laugh, bobby.



Isaiah 66:3
.....Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.


Psalms 2





Short enough for you bobby ?

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:18pm:

The first one should be on Israel!! The new NAZI's, Their German masters trained them well!!

It's the Muslims that their Nazi Masters trained well, stay off the juice old boy.

If you fire rockets into a country then expect some sh*t to come back.
As usual Hamas can blame nobody but themselves.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

If you fire rockets into a country then expect some sh*t to come back. As usual Hamas can blame nobody but themselves.

Absolutely , and suck the eggs hard I say Hamas.

I've got a brilliant idea!    :D


There's only 8 million Jews, so why don't we import all of them under our commitment to the UN charter to take in refugees? At least they would satisfy any criteria about being under threat, wouldn't they?

That way, we win all the way 'round:

* The country is now supporting its maximum population according to many studies. It needs an injection of new industry and labour. Judeo/Christian relations are more likely to be renewed and more easily assimilated. Mosque construction and drive-bys would drop to all-time lows.

* The Palestine claim to its land is now resolved peacefully, providing that Australian Jewry has the right to visit its ancestral homeland free of any threat. The Arabs could have all the oil and their sandpit back, with no-one else to blame or harass.

* That said people be resettled into the interior of this country so that they may be free to transform it into the oasis they've just left.

* That they pledge allegiance to this new alliance and bestow full utilisation of their military, social and technological advantages to their adopted island continent.

* They would bring capital, brains and a work ethic.

The future of Australia would never look rosier.  8-)


We could then close the gate.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

I've got a brilliant idea!    :D There's only 8 million Jews, so why don't we import all of them under our commitment to the UN charter to take in refugees? At least they would satisfy any criteria about being under threat, wouldn't they? That way, we win all the way 'round: * The country is now supporting its maximum population according to many studies. It needs an injection of new industry and labour. Judeo/Christian relations are more likely to be renewed and more easily assimilated. Mosque construction and drive-bys would drop to all-time lows. * The Palestine claim to its land is now resolved peacefully, providing that Australian Jewry has the right to visit its ancestral homeland free of any threat. The Arabs could have all the oil and their sandpit back, with no-one else to blame or harass. * That said people be resettled into the interior of this country so that they may be free to transform it into the oasis they've just left. * That they pledge allegiance to this new alliance and bestow full utilisation of their military, social and technological advantages to their adopted island continent. * They would bring capital, brains and a work ethic. The future of Australia would never look rosier.  8-) We could then close the gate.

I have had that idea for ages.
Australia's coastline is about 12,000 miles long -

we could easily make another country & call it New Israel
& give the Jews an equivalent length of coast line
to the present Israel which has a coastline of only about 134 miles long.
That represents only about  1% of our coastline.
We'd hardly miss it.

The Jews would then be able to make a new country in a friendly
part of the world away from all the Arabs.
We'd benefit from having such smart people living close by.

Of course they wouldn't be welcome to bring their nuclear weapons with them.

We could solve the whole world's problem of Israel
& avoid a possible WW3 every few years. ( always on the cards now )

Everyone wins.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:55pm: I've got a brilliant idea!    :D There's only 8 million Jews, so why don't we import all of them under our commitment to the UN charter to take in refugees? At least they would satisfy any criteria about being under threat, wouldn't they? That way, we win all the way 'round: * The country is now supporting its maximum population according to many studies. It needs an injection of new industry and labour. Judeo/Christian relations are more likely to be renewed and more easily assimilated. Mosque construction and drive-bys would drop to all-time lows. * The Palestine claim to its land is now resolved peacefully, providing that Australian Jewry has the right to visit its ancestral homeland free of any threat. The Arabs could have all the oil and their sandpit back, with no-one else to blame or harass. * That said people be resettled into the interior of this country so that they may be free to transform it into the oasis they've just left. * That they pledge allegiance to this new alliance and bestow full utilisation of their military, social and technological advantages to their adopted island continent. * They would bring capital, brains and a work ethic. The future of Australia would never look rosier.  8-) We could then close the gate. I have had that idea for ages. Australia's coastline is about 12,000 miles long - we could easily make another country & call it New Israel & give the Jews an equivalent length of coast line to the present Israel which has a coastline of only about 134 miles long. That represents only about  1% of our coastline. We'd hardly miss it. The Jews would then be able to make a new country in a friendly part of the world away from all the Arabs. We'd benefit from having such smart people living close by. Of course they wouldn't be welcome to bring their nuclear weapons with them. We could solve the whole world's problem of Israel & avoid a possible WW3 every few years. ( always on the cards now ) Everyone wins.

many blessing yet to be correct

these are not true jews

they are khazars, and their god has chosen

them as gods people yet which god do they

refer too ... some ancient khazar fire god moloch..

dear bobby if they were to come here as you invite

you being a goyem , would be quickly exterminated

like the residents of gaza...

and you invite these clowns here to our home ?

you are forgiven

namaste

-: ) =

master Light,

Quote:

many blessing yet to be correct these are not true jews they are khazars, and their god has chosen them as gods people yet which god do they refer too ... some ancient khazar fire god moloch.. dear bobby if they were to come here as you invite you being a goyem , would be quickly exterminated like the residents of gaza... and you invite these clowns here to our home ? you are forgiven namaste -: ) =

Dear master Light,
if the current situation is allowed to continue -

Israel with nuclear weapons surrounded by 100 million Arabs who hate them -
the world will experience a nuclear war which will be the end of our world.

Isn't  it better that we sacrifice 1% of our coastline but save the whole world?

forgiven

namaste

many blessings

your comments are based on ' what if '

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa445/Helina_Keijun/Heros/MrSpockSays.jpg

and further you risk bringing satanic khazars

en mass to this land , for that

you are forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:55pm: I've got a brilliant idea!    :D There's only 8 million Jews, so why don't we import all of them under our commitment to the UN charter to take in refugees? At least they would satisfy any criteria about being under threat, wouldn't they? That way, we win all the way 'round: * The country is now supporting its maximum population according to many studies. It needs an injection of new industry and labour. Judeo/Christian relations are more likely to be renewed and more easily assimilated. Mosque construction and drive-bys would drop to all-time lows. * The Palestine claim to its land is now resolved peacefully, providing that Australian Jewry has the right to visit its ancestral homeland free of any threat. The Arabs could have all the oil and their sandpit back, with no-one else to blame or harass. * That said people be resettled into the interior of this country so that they may be free to transform it into the oasis they've just left. * That they pledge allegiance to this new alliance and bestow full utilisation of their military, social and technological advantages to their adopted island continent. * They would bring capital, brains and a work ethic. The future of Australia would never look rosier.  8-) We could then close the gate. I have had that idea for ages. Australia's coastline is about 12,000 miles long - we could easily make another country & call it New Israel & give the Jews an equivalent length of coast line to the present Israel which has a coastline of only about 134 miles long. That represents only about  1% of our coastline. We'd hardly miss it. The Jews would then be able to make a new country in a friendly part of the world away from all the Arabs. We'd benefit from having such smart people living close by. Of course they wouldn't be welcome to bring their nuclear weapons with them. We could solve the whole world's problem of Israel & avoid a possible WW3 every few years. ( always on the cards now ) Everyone wins.

what a stupid idea ..... all you would do would be to move their issues from the middle east onto our region.

The Jews wouldn't give up Isreal anyway, they want that sandy desert in the middle east because they believe it was given to them by god ....

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:16am:

many blessings your comments are based on ' what if ' http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa445/Helina_Keijun/Heros/MrSpockSays.jpg and further you risk bringing satanic khazars en mass to this land , for that you are forgiven namaste - : ) =

When nuclear war starts then you will say - Sir Bobby was right.

Isn't it a war crime to bomb, civilian homes and places of worship like the Israelis are doing?

Now they even bomb centres for disabled people:

[change the v's to w's to click on the links:]
vvvvvv.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9602286.ece/alternates/w620/v229-wheelchair-ap.jpg

Israel-Gaza conflict: Israeli air strike demolishes home for the disabled killing two women residents

Attack also leaves four others horrifically injured from shrapnel and burns

The residents at Mobarat Felestin Centre had just finished suhoor, the early morning meal before a long day of fasting during Ramadan, when the first missile hit the roof. It may have been the standard warning issued by the Israeli military that a major attack was coming.

But the people inside did not know that. And, with all but one of them suffering from mental and physical disability, it is highly unlikely they would have been able to escape in any event. The ensuing air strike, five minutes later at around 4.30, demolished a large part of the structure, starting a fire, leaving two dead and four others horrifically injured from shrapnel and burns.

As the victims were carried out of the ruined building at Beit Lahia district through the charred debris, twisted metal and shards of glass, the mood was one of despondency and anger. One of the bodies was that of 42 year old Soha Abu Sada, one of her legs amputated by the blast; she was wrapped in a red and brown blanket and carried out by young men chanting Allah Hu Akhbar. A woman in a black chador, Abu Rashida, a distant relation, cried: “This is the fate of our people, even those who are already suffering must suffer a terrible death”...

...The human toll from Operation Protective Edge now stands, according to Palestinian officials, at 120 dead and around 925 injured. Both sides have vowed to carry on the conflict and there was  no let-up in the violence, with rockets being fired into Israel and air strikes continuing on Gaza.

Among the targets hit by Israeli warplanes was the al-Farouq mosque which was left with just the minaret standing. Hamas threatened retribution and claimed the destruction of the holy place would galvanise support across the Muslim world. “The bombing shows how barbaric this enemy is and how much it is hostile to Islam”, declared Hasam Badran, a spokesman. “This terrorism gives us the right to broaden our response to the occupier.”...

...The ministry of defence in Tel Aviv announced that an inquiry would be held into the attack on the home for the disabled. But to Salwa Abu-Alkhorsan, lying on her bed at the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, swathed in bandages, that meant nothing: “The Israelis know they can so anything they like. All I know is that I am in such pain, I did not know such pain existed. ”

The 53 year old helper at the centre had prepared the suhoor meal and was preparing to pray when she was sent flying by the explosion. “I could see fire all around me, and then I knew I was on fire, I started running to get out, but then I fell” she recounted.

“I have heard what happened to the others and I feel so sorry for them. They cannot look after themselves and to be caught up in this was so bad. None of us thought this would happen, I thought I was safer working there than anywhere else, I thought all the others were safer there than anywhere else.”


vvvvvv.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9599532.ece/alternates/w1024/gaza-8.jpg

...The number of casualties could have been more at Mobarat Felestin; twelve of the residents had gone home for the weekend, the five who stayed behind had no families to go to. The two dead were 30-year-old Ola Ushahi and Soha Abu Sada. The survivors, who all suffer from cerebral palsy, are seriously ill. Sally Saker, 18, has head and neck injuries and 18 per cent burns: Mai Hamada, 31, with a severe torso injury has 25 per cent burns and Ahmed Al-Awar, 26, with head and neck injuries, has 11 per cent burns.

Jamilla Alaiwa, a 59 year old social worker who had founded the home in 1990 was adamant that there were no paramilitary links: “We are not involved in politics and there is nothing there which justifies this action by the Israelis. We all know they don't need any reason to do things like this, they are a paranoid people.

“The building was rented, and tomorrow I will start looking for another place so that those who were safe in their family homes when this happened will have somewhere to come to. We will also have to find a way to look after those who are in hospital and survive.”...

...Raid Nawas, a plastic surgeon who is part of the care team for the injured from the Centre at Shifa, said: “We will have to wait for the next 24 hours to see if they make progress. At the moment it is a matter of keeping them alive: things like grafting and flapping for the burns is in the future. I was here when these patients were brought in. It was a shock that the Israelis bombed a place for handicapped people. I don't know why they did that, it is just insane.”

Dr Nawas, who had been on duty for 26 hours, was about to go home when a call came from his family. Their neighbourhood was getting heavily bombed and he was far safer staying in the hospital, they insisted. “Let's hope so”, shrugged the 27 year old medic, “who knows nowadays?”

vvvv.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-air-strike-demolishes-home-for-the-disabled-killing-two-women-residents-9602441.html

Not anyone has any business bombing anyone unless one has to fart and is not able to hold it in any longer.

love

David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!

I started a new poll:

Should we sacrifice 1% of our coast to prevent WW3?


From my post here:


Quote:

I have had that idea for ages. Australia's coastline is about 12,000 miles long - we could easily make another country & call it New Israel & give the Jews an equivalent length of coast line to the present Israel which has a coastline of only about 134 miles long. That represents only about  1% of our coastline. We'd hardly miss it. The Jews would then be able to make a new country in a friendly part of the world away from all the Arabs. We'd benefit from having such smart people living close by. Of course they wouldn't be welcome to bring their nuclear weapons with them. We could solve the whole world's problem of Israel & avoid a possible WW3 every few years. ( always on the cards now ) Everyone wins.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

If you fire rockets into a country then expect some sh*t to come back.

Does that apply to Israel? So far Israel id the only one that has been killing people with rockets.



What about occupying a country? Should you expect anything to happen if you invade somebody's country?


Israel is acting stupidly. They are surrounded by 400 million Arabs, and what are they doing? They are persecuting Arabs.

Sooner or later those 400 million will be coming for revenge.

No way Bobby. Are you mad? If we gave them 1% they'd take the other 99% by force and we'd all be on rickety old boats headed for Indonesia.

It would be good for the Palestinians, they'd get some well deserved peace, but what about us?

Russia gave them land back in the Soviet era, they were too lazy to work the land and settle there. Besides, they don't want to live amongst non Jews, they hate us.

They are the chosen people they will only live in one place....the holy land, God said, he told them in a book he wrote a while back. He didn't say go and live amongst the convicts.

You may as well let ISIS in, they're all radicals, just different hats.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

You may as well let ISIS in, they're all radicals, just different hats.

Some are more radical than others.

The Israeli Government pays the salaries of rabbis who encourage the killing of non-Jewish babies:



Quote:

Rabbis Dov Lior and Yacob Yousef had endorsed a highly controversial book, the King's Torah - written by two lesser-known settler rabbis. It attempts to justify killing non-Jews, including those not involved in violence, under certain circumstances. The fifth chapter, entitled "Murder of non-Jews in a time of war" has been widely quoted in the Israeli media. The summary states that "you can kill those who are not supporting or encouraging murder in order to save the lives of Jews". At one point it suggests that babies can justifiably be killed if it is clear they will grow up to pose a threat... ...last August Israel Defense Forces magazine Maarachot reported that in recent years about 30% of graduates from an infantry officers' course defined themselves as "Zionist religious", up from 2.5% in 1980. bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14168618

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:16am: many blessings your comments are based on ' what if ' http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa445/Helina_Keijun/Heros/MrSpockSays.jpg and further you risk bringing satanic khazars en mass to this land , for that you are forgiven namaste - : ) = When nuclear war starts then you will say - Sir Bobby was right.

more ' what if '

there will be no nuclear war

you are in fear and as such

your hysteria is forgiven

does this comfort unto thee ?

im interested

namaste

- : ) =

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

No way Bobby. Are you mad? If we gave them 1% they'd take the other 99% by force and we'd all be on rickety old boats headed for Indonesia. It would be good for the Palestinians, they'd get some well deserved peace, but what about us? Russia gave them land back in the Soviet era, they were too lazy to work the land and settle there. Besides, they don't want to live amongst non Jews, they hate us. They are the chosen people they will only live in one place....the holy land, God said, he told them in a book he wrote a while back. He didn't say go and live amongst the convicts. You may as well let ISIS in, they're all radicals, just different hats.

But The Jews will blow up the whole world unless we give them some free land:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option


Quote:

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[28] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:     We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

master Light,

Quote:

more ' what if ' there will be no nuclear war you are in fear and as such your hysteria is forgiven does this comfort unto thee ? im interested namaste - : ) =

But you never heard about The Samson Option.

Posted above.

forgiven

namaste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j75tqw7HPBM

Israel Bombs Civilian Targets Linked to Hamas! UN Says 77% of Dead Are Civilians!

Published on Jul 12, 2014
Israel has ignored international appeals for a ceasefire and widened its range of Gaza bomb targets to include civilian institutions with suspected Hamas ties.
It announced it would hit Gaza with 'great force' after already carrying out more than 1,200 airstrikes this week.

UN: 77% OF DEAD IN GAZA ARE CIVILIANS

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1906560/thumbs/r-GAZA-CHILD-huge.jpg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008

https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/...

https://twitter.com/NewsRevo/status/4...
Category
News & Politics

If the citizens of palestine had any balls/common sense they would arm themselves and go on the rampage killing off every last member of Hamas. Then they would have some peace.

WTF is wrong with sections of the media.?

If rockets were being fired into sydney or melbourne, the public would demand the goevernment retaliate with everything they had.

The jews show remarkable restraint. Why should they shelter in air raid shelters from a bunch of donkey riding scumbags who fire rockets at civilians.

If Hamas use civilians as humans shields, then they are even more despicable.  The people of palestine need to accept the hand of friendship from the benevolent jews and kick these terrorist scum out

Quote:

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[28] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:     We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

this is the type of people you want in australia ?

you are forgiven for ignorance

so be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Quote: In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[28] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:     We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under. this is the type of people you want in australia ? you are forgiven for ignorance so be at peace namaste - : ) =

But we could be a fence up?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:51pm: Quote: In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[28] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:     We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under. this is the type of people you want in australia ? you are forgiven for ignorance so be at peace namaste - : ) = But we could be a fence up?

many blessings ,

put up a fence you recon ?

http://www.minternetmarketing.com/Portals/55042/images/StarTrekSpockFascinating1.jpg

Quote:

many blessings , put up a fence you recon ?

We wouldn't need a fence.

The Jews would be nice to us because we aren't Arabs trying to kill them.

May peace be with you

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Quote: many blessings , put up a fence you recon ? We wouldn't need a fence. The Jews would be nice to us because we aren't Arabs trying to kill them. May peace be with you namaste

no ,

the khazars will be looking to make you

and your progeny slaves because

they believe they are gods chosen people

and you are goyem/beast/animal

... unless you are a khazar pretend jew that is

and so they recon

namaste

- : ) =

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:21pm: If you fire rockets into a country then expect some sh*t to come back. Does that apply to Israel? So far Israel id the only one that has been killing people with rockets. What about occupying a country? Should you expect anything to happen if you invade somebody's country?

AL,

False premise/argument.



There never was a 'Palestinian' 'country' - which Israel occupied.

Prior to the end of WWI many Arab lands in the M.E. were part of the Ottoman Empire.

After the end of WWI many of the Ottoman Empire 'territories' [were constituted into new nations and] became places like Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.

After WWI, the world community of nations also decided to create a small area in the M.E. which would become a 'reconstituted' homeland for the Jewish people.

The 'Palestinians', have always had their own 'homeland'.

It is and always was, [modern] Jordan.



But the moslems of the M.E. want to dispossess the Jewish people of their ancient homeland - simply because Israel is not a moslem state/jurisdiction.


Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392646116/0#0





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Ezekiel 35:1
Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2  Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
3  And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
4  I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
5  Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
6  Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
7  Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.
8  And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
9  I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
10  Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:




Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2  For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3  They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4  They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5  For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6  The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7  Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8  Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

master Light,

Quote:

no , the khazars will be looking to make you and your progeny slaves because they believe they are gods chosen people and you are goyem/beast/animal ... unless you are a khazar pretend jew that is and so they recon namaste - : ) =

Dear master Light,
I have offered unto thee a solution to prevent a nuclear war
which would annihilate us all &
it only involves a small sacrifice of 1% of our coastline.

Do you have a better solution to the Jewish question?

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

master Light, Quote: no , the khazars will be looking to make you and your progeny slaves because they believe they are gods chosen people and you are goyem/beast/animal ... unless you are a khazar pretend jew that is and so they recon namaste - : ) = Dear master Light, I have offered unto thee a solution to prevent a nuclear war which would annihilate us all & it only involves a small sacrifice of 1% of our coastline. Do you have a better solution to the Jewish question? namaste

many blessings ,

you remain grounded in ' what if '

and the threat that if one does not cow tow

the khazars will blow up the planet ...

your current fear based interpretation

is not comforted by one such as I am,

and as such your dilemma is yours to overcome

you may reach and ask for the divine light

to assist you in your efforts ,  .... or

continue to have the wind blown up your skirt ,

either way , be at peace

namaste

- : ) =

Quote:

Dear master Light, I have offered unto thee a solution to prevent a nuclear war which would annihilate us all & it only involves a small sacrifice of 1% of our coastline. Do you have a better solution to the Jewish question? namaste

oh yes ,

thats what the UN said to palestine ,

look how that turned out ..

http://dpmasitm.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/israel-palestine_maps.jpg

if you do not learn from the past

you will be destined to make the same error

fear not ... this is forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

But master Light - it is quite a threat:


General Moshe Dayan

Quote:

Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

master Light,
you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas -
you must consider all the threats that surround you
& act upon them in a logical way.

Mr Spock would agree.


http://deepfriedscifi.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/spock1.jpeg

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

But master Light - it is quite a threat: General Moshe Dayan Quote: Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under. master Light, you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas - you must consider all the threats that surround you & act upon them in a logical way. Mr Spock would agree. http://deepfriedscifi.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/spock1.jpeg

many blessings

your track record of fear based responses

grounded in 'what if 'excludes you from any logic

from spock ... what is manifesting is a pattern,

everything I write and post is being copied by you.

this is observed for what it is ........

fear not you remain dearly loved ,

yet you are exposed for as much

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

Quote: Dear master Light, I have offered unto thee a solution to prevent a nuclear war which would annihilate us all & it only involves a small sacrifice of 1% of our coastline. Do you have a better solution to the Jewish question? namaste oh yes , thats what the UN said to palestine , look how that turned out .. http://dpmasitm.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/israel-palestine_maps.jpg if you do not learn from the past you will be destined to make the same error fear not ... this is forgiven namaste - : ) =

Master Light,
you act as though the Jews are like Johnny Rocco.

forgiven

namaste


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWa6vsXOKAU

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

Israel Bombs Civilian Targets Linked to Hamas! UN Says 77% of Dead Are Civilians! Published on Jul 12, 2014 Israel has ignored international appeals for a ceasefire and widened its range of Gaza bomb targets to include civilian institutions with suspected Hamas ties. It announced it would hit Gaza with 'great force' after already carrying out more than 1,200 airstrikes this week.

Good.

Until Hamas stops targeting Israel's population centres with rockets from Gaza, Israel should continue to target 1/ Hamas leaders and members, 2/ military material/targets which are being shielded by sympathetic Hamas supporters, and 2/ continue to raze buildings in Gaza which are sheltering Hamas militants.

When Gazans want Israeli retaliation [for Hamas rockets targeting Israel's population centres] to stop, the people of Gaza should tell their Hamas leadership.

And then Hamas can make a public announcement, that Hamas apologises for rocketing Israeli civilians, and that it will cease all further rocket launches against Israel.

Then Israel will be forced to cease its retaliatory attacks in Gaza.i....Despite the historically biased reporting about civilian casualties, for years Israel has made telephone calls, sent SMS messages, distributed leaflets, and fired flares to warn civilians to leave targeted buildings and sites. Even according to the New York Times, Israel has gone so far as to fire inert missiles without explosive warheads onto roofs as "warning shots" to warn Palestinians to evacuate in safety. Some defy these warnings; meanwhile, Hamas violates international law both by targeting Israel's civilians and by using its own people as human shields -- and then blaming Israel for the casualties.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4398/christian-canadian-support-israel


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/pics/large/568.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJlG3KXq8c
A Hamas military commander recounts on Palestinian TV how Israeli forces gave advance warning to him, to evacuate his home before bombing it.

He goes on to describe how after the warning, he rushed to gather friends, family and neighbors on the roof of the building.


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/pics/large/569.jpg

Gazans move onto rooftops - to protect Hamas leadership and Hamas weapons stores in Gaza

Booooooom! - 'Civilian' casualties!

That's terrible Yadda,

why haven't you voted in my poll?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas

then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm: master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... :D :D :D :D

But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science.

forgiven

namaste

Gazans should be willing to die for Allah's cause. It is their duty to fertilise the ground of Palestine with their blood.
- Hamas




Quote:

United Nations: Most Gaza Casualties Were Warned by IDF to Leave Targeted Buildings in Advance July 10, 2014 A new United Nations document says that in most cases where Palestinians have been killed or injured during Israel’s ongoing Gaza campaign, the Israeli army alerted civilians ahead of time who were occupying buildings, that they planned to bomb in Gaza, to leave the premises. .....Hamas, however, has officially urged residents to ignore the Israeli warnings to evacuate prior to Air Force air strikes, and, instead, called on them to serve as human shields. ....Palestinians report that close to 90 Gazans have been killed and some 630 wounded in IAF strikes across the 40-kilometer-long coastal enclave since the start of Operation Protective Edge. Israel contends that many of the casualties are members of Hamas and other terror groups. “When houses are used for military purposes, they may become legitimate military targets under international law,”...

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/10/united-nations-most-gaza-casualties-were-warned-by-idf-to-leave-targeted-buildings-in-advance/

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm: master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... :D :D :D :D But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science. forgiven namaste

many blessings ,

you continue to copy syntax and style of post ,

then defame the one you emulate

that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven

namaste

- : ) =

IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis

Israel's defence minister has confirmed that military plans to 'uproot Hamas' are about dominating Gaza's gas reserves

Yesterday, Israeli defence minister and former Israeli Defence Force (IDF) chief of staff Moshe Ya'alon announced that Operation Protective Edge marks the beginning of a protracted assault on Hamas. The operation "won't end in just a few days...we are preparing to expand the operation by all means standing at our disposal..."

But in 2007, a year before Operation Cast Lead, Ya'alon's concerns focused on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas discovered in 2000 off the Gaza coast, valued at $4 billion. Ya'alon dismissed the notion that "Gaza gas can be a key driver of an economically more viable Palestinian state" as "misguided."...

"A gas transaction with the Palestinian Authority [PA] will, by definition, involve Hamas. Hamas will either benefit from the royalties or it will sabotage the project and launch attacks against Fatah, the gas installations, Israel – or all three…It is clear that without an overall military operation to uproot Hamas control of Gaza, no drilling work can take place without the consent of the radical Islamic movement."

Operation Cast Lead did not succeed in uprooting Hamas, but the conflict did take the lives of 1,387 Palestinians (773 of whom were civilians) and 9 Israelis (3 of whom were civilians).

Since the discovery of oil and gas in the Occupied Territories, resource competition has increasingly been at the heart of the conflict, motivated largely by Israel's increasing domestic energy woes.

Mark Turner, founder of the Research Journalism Initiative, reported that the siege of Gaza and ensuing military pressure was designed to "eliminate" Hamas as "a viable political entity in Gaza" to generate a "political climate" conducive to a gas deal...

...Ya'alon's comments in 2007 illustrate that the Israeli cabinet is not just concerned about Hamas – but concerned that if Palestinians develop their own gas resources, the resulting economic transformation could in turn fundamentally increase Palestinian clout...

...A 2012 letter by two Israeli government chief scientists...warned the government that Israel still had insufficient gas resources to sustain exports...The letter, according to Ha'aretz, stated that Israel's domestic resources were 50% less than needed to support meaningful exports...

..."We believe Israel should...should not export gas. The Natural Gas Authority's estimates are lacking. There's a gap of 100 to 150 billion cubic meters between the demand projections that were presented to the committee and the most recent projections..."

...Dr Gary Luft - an advisor to the US Energy Security Council - wrote in the Journal of Energy Security, "with the depletion of Israel's domestic gas supplies accelerating, and without an imminent rise in Egyptian gas imports, Israel could face a power crisis in the next few years…If Israel is to continue to pursue its natural gas plans it must diversify its supply sources."...

...electricity prices reach record levels, heightening the imperative to diversify supply. This appears to be behind Prime Minister Netanyahu's announcement in February 2011 that it was now time to seal the Gaza gas deal. But even after a new round of negotiations was kick-started between the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority and Israel in September 2012, Hamas was excluded from these talks, and thus rejected the legitimacy of any deal...

...the PA has held several meetings with the British Gas Group to develop the Gaza gas field, albeit with a view to exclude Hamas – and thus Gazans – from access to the proceeds. That plan had been the brainchild of Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair...

According to Anais Antreasyan in the University of California's Journal of Palestine Studies, the most respected English language journal devoted to the Arab-Israeli conflict, Israel's stranglehold over Gaza has been designed to make "Palestinian access to the Marine-1 and Marine-2 gas wells impossible." Israel's long-term goal "besides preventing the Palestinians from exploiting their own resources, is to integrate the gas fields off Gaza into the adjacent Israeli offshore installations." This is part of a wider strategy of:

"…. separating the Palestinians from their land and natural resources in order to exploit them, and, as a consequence, blocking Palestinian economic development..."

...for the IDF uprooting Hamas means destroying the group's perceived civilian support base...Palestinian civilian casualties massively outweigh that of Israelis...

In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Jerusalem-based Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (Pcati) found that the IDF had adopted a more aggressive combat doctrine based on two principles – "zero casualties" for IDF soldiers at the cost of deploying increasingly indiscriminate firepower in densely populated areas, and the "dahiya doctrine promoting targeting of civilian infrastructure to create widespread suffering amongst the population with a view to foment opposition to Israel's opponents.

This was confirmed in practice by the  UN fact-finding mission in Gaza which concluded that the IDF had pursued a "deliberate policy of disproportionate force," aimed at the "supporting infrastructure" of the enemy - "this appears to have meant the civilian population,"...

- The Guardian

theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:22am:

theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

Quote:

IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis Nafeez Ahmed       Thursday 10 July 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis






Two comments at the article link which i agree with, and which give some balance, and which contradict/criticise the opinion of the articles author, Nafeez Ahmed....


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Daniel Hood 09 July 2014 7:41pm Recommend 135 This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. This guy has just thrown his PhD away and entered the world of fairy land Israel is defending itself from Hamas Islamists firing rockets since 2005 into Israel and the real reason is energy.... What?

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MarissaBY 09 July 2014 7:51pm Recommend 71 Using a a 2007 quote to justify a hair-brained theory applying to today is irresponsible journalism, plain and simple. How did this tripe make it into the Google News headlines?

Hamas - the governing authority in Gaza - instigated, and continues its rocket fire into Israel, firing rockets against Israel's population centres.

It is Israel which is the injured party.

Hamas is the remorseless criminal - who is squealing at his punishment.



And the world community, largely, refuses to confront or to even acknowledge the wrongdoing of Hamas.

But rather, chooses to portray Hamas and Gazans as the victims of an Israeli assault.       :D

We live in strange times.

A time when Black is White, and White is Black.

A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.




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Wherever they go, [eventually, at the 'opportune moment'] moslems cause and instigate conflict with others [Koran 9.123]...
...and then moslems always portray themselves as the 'victims' of the wrongdoing and persecution, of others.


http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2rhf_gazarockets.jpg


http://blog.camera.org/archives/food%20rockets%20gaza.jpg





TODAY IT IS 2014

BACK IN 2012...
http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/10/F121024TA07-635x357.jpg
80 rockets, shells fired from Gaza Wednesday; Israeli leaders warn of ‘more extensive’ military response
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rocket-fire-from-gaza-resumes-after-brief-lull/

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:21pm: If you fire rockets into a country then expect some sh*t to come back. Does that apply to Israel? So far Israel id the only one that has been killing people with rockets. What about occupying a country? Should you expect anything to happen if you invade somebody's country? Israel is acting stupidly. They are surrounded by 400 million Arabs, and what are they doing? They are persecuting Arabs. Sooner or later those 400 million will be coming for revenge.

;D ;D ;D

They'll have to stop persecuting and slaughtering themselves first. ::)

Jews united against Zionism.


The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND -- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD -- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.

FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.


http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm: master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... :D :D :D :D But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science. forgiven namaste many blessings , you continue to copy syntax and style of post , then defame the one you emulate that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven namaste - : ) =

Don't be sad cause 1 out of 3 ain't bad.

I would have to agree with this quote from Yadda


Quote:

Until Hamas stops targeting Israel's population centres with rockets from Gaza, Israel should continue to target 1/ Hamas leaders and members, 2/ military material/targets which are being shielded by sympathetic Hamas supporters, and 2/ continue to raze buildings in Gaza which are sheltering Hamas militants.

Not forgetting that the present conflict was caused by the murder of three teenagers. Yes that may very well have been an excuse for Israel to deploy into Gaza, but certainly the rocket attacks on Israel are now certainly exacerbating an already extremely tense and longstanding conflict.

Yadda wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:39am:

Hamas - the governing authority in Gaza - instigated, and continues its rocket fire into Israel, firing rockets against Israel's population centres. It is Israel which is the injured party. Hamas is the remorseless criminal - who is squealing at his punishment. And the world community, largely, refuses to confront or to even acknowledge the wrongdoing of Hamas. But rather, chooses to portray Hamas and Gazans as the victims of an Israeli assault.       :D We live in strange times. A time when Black is White, and White is Black. A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.

What next? I suppose soon you will be telling us that Palestinians invaded and occupied Israel in 1948. Why couldn't those palestinians have stayed in Europe and left those poor Israelis alone?

Quote:

Isn't it a war crime to bomb, civilian homes and places of worship like the Israelis are doing?

It would be more of a crime for Israel to allow it's neighbour to launch missiles into civilian towns without response.
Hamas are using these places to fire rockets at Israel from.
As soon as the missiles are fired, the rocket crew scarper off.
If Israel want this to end, it will only been done by ground troops and armour going in and finishing Hamas off once and for all.
And they need to do this.
These new rockets used by the terrorists have a much longer range than the previously used Grad rockets and pose a far greater risk.
And like the Grad rocket, they are not 'home made', but illegally supplied by terror states.

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:39am: Hamas - the governing authority in Gaza - instigated, and continues its rocket fire into Israel, firing rockets against Israel's population centres. It is Israel which is the injured party. Hamas is the remorseless criminal - who is squealing at his punishment. And the world community, largely, refuses to confront or to even acknowledge the wrongdoing of Hamas. But rather, chooses to portray Hamas and Gazans as the victims of an Israeli assault.       :D We live in strange times. A time when Black is White, and White is Black. A time when up is Down, and Down is Up. What next? I suppose soon you will be telling us that Palestinians invaded and occupied Israel in 1948. Why couldn't those palestinians have stayed in Europe and left those poor Israelis alone?

I doubt it.
You forget there was a King of Israel over 4000 years ago, and the Jews ancient historical ties with the land cannot be refuted.
The term 'Palestinian' people is a twentieth century invention only.

Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters. In saying that, the elites behind the Palestinian cause are no saints. They are the recipient of excessive funding from both the Iranian and Syrian regimes, known for their ardent aversion towards Jews. Conversely, the Israeli government are the recipient of excessive funding from Western regimes, mostly the US, where Israeli lobby groups essentially dictate US foreign policy in Western Asia. Many of these groups also pursue a zealous disinclination towards Arabs.

The only innocent people here are the ordinary civilians, both of whom are Jews and Palestinians. They're victims of two aggressive governments, controlled by sociopathic elitists with their own iniquitous agendas. We should focus more on these actions of these governments, and not the respective ethnic and racial groups. Any 'invasion' will just worsen the conflict.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j75tqw7HPBM Israel Bombs Civilian Targets Linked to Hamas! UN Says 77% of Dead Are Civilians! Published on Jul 12, 2014 Israel has ignored international appeals for a ceasefire and widened its range of Gaza bomb targets to include civilian institutions with suspected Hamas ties. It announced it would hit Gaza with 'great force' after already carrying out more than 1,200 airstrikes this week. UN: 77% OF DEAD IN GAZA ARE CIVILIANS http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1906560/thumbs/r-GAZA-CHILD-huge.jpg http://www.huffingtonpost.com/?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008 https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/... https://twitter.com/NewsRevo/status/4... Category News & Politics

Only 77%?
We need to remember that even the scum firing rockets into Israel are civilians, or at best Policeman.
Gaza police are the only Police force that routinely parades with shoulder held anti-aircraft missile launchers.
And given that the missile crews now have new toys such as long range missiles to kill Jews with, the IDF won't stop until much more damage to the Hamas terrorist capability has been achieved.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 6:55pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:49am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm: master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... :D :D :D :D But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science. forgiven namaste many blessings , you continue to copy syntax and style of post , then defame the one you emulate that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven namaste - : ) = Don't be sad cause 1 out of 3 ain't bad.

yes you would be better served not being

such a copycat one may observe with forgiveness ,

and further Is ( isis ) Ra ( sun god ra ) el ( elohim )

has been usurped by khazars pretending

to be the jews they exterminated circa hitler ...

whom himself was an illegitimate rothschild

in whom angela merkel is his grand daughter

carry on regardless

namaste

- : ) =

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:55pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:49am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm: master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... :D :D :D :D But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science. forgiven namaste many blessings , you continue to copy syntax and style of post , then defame the one you emulate that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven namaste - : ) = Don't be sad cause 1 out of 3 ain't bad. yes you would be better served not being such a copycat one may observe with forgiveness , and further Is ( isis ) Ra ( sun god ra ) el ( elohim ) has been usurped by khazars pretending to be the jews they exterminated circa hitler ... whom himself was an illegitimate rothschild in whom angela merkel is his grand daughter carry on regardless namaste - : ) =

Dear master Light,
But I only have zero out of 3 so you're doing a lot better.

may peace be with you

namaste

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:40pm: Should Israel continue to bomb Gaza, and consider to invade Gaza - to punish Hamas ? If Hamas cadres are launching rockets from Gaza, and those rockets are targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Sderot and other Israeli population centres, how should Israel respond ? Is Israel justified in targeting Hamas cadres in Gaza, using air strikes, even if it is likely that some civilians in Gaza may be killed ? If the people of Gaza want the punishing Israeli reprisals against Hamas rocket launches to stop, should the people of Gaza demand that Hamas stop rocketing Israeli cities ? Or is that too much to ask ?       :D n.b. Hamas is the elected governing authority in Gaza. Hamas in Gaza, is democracy at work - among a moslem populace. Hamas is recognised as a terror entity [by the world community], isn't it ? Whoever kidnapped and murdered those three Jewish boys was planning just this kind of strife.  What everyone is now focusing on is the Jews hitting BACK.  Jews are not supposed to be hitting back. Jews are supposed to be going quietly.  But with the creation of liberal, democratic Israel, that paradigm is over.   I am with Israel.

You've got to be joking. If a single Palestinian - eve a gang of Palestinians - kidnapped 3 Israeli boys, the entire Palestinian people must be punished collectively? You condemn the murder of three Israeli boys while condoning the indiscriminate mass slaughter of Palestinian children? Are they in any way to blame?

If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption. There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.

Annie,

Quote:

If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption. There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.

Come on Annie - they are all barbaric in the Middle East:

The Pallys , the Arabs, & the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3IQPd5ii5s

Fatal Defence? Majority of Israelis support airstrikes of Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkihYlEoZ9I

14-07-2014: OVERCOMING THE BRAINWASHING OF THE MATRIX

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

....If a single Palestinian - eve a gang of Palestinians - kidnapped 3 Israeli boys, the entire Palestinian people must be punished collectively?

Annie,

The current Israeli assault of Gaza is not a [direct] response to the kidnapping and murder of those three Jewish boys by - Hamas - cadres in Judea.

The current Israeli assault of Gaza is a response to the ongoing Hamas rocket fire into Israel.

It is a response to Gazans firing rockets against Israel's population centres.

Can't you see that ?



Annie,

QUESTION;
If at this moment, there were no [ongoing] Hamas rocket fire into Israel [against Israel's population centres] - do you believe that Israel would be able to justify assaulting Gaza - as it is doing ?i




Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption. There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.

What about the hypocrisy of aggressors [moslem cadres on 'Jihad operations' who wantonly commit violence against those they wish to violently prey upon], who then portray themselves as 'victims' ?

AND WHAT ABOUT THEIR APOLOGISTS, WHO ACTIVELY ARE SUPPORTING THE VIOLENCE OF THE AGGRESSORS ?








Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

You condemn the murder of three Israeli boys while condoning the indiscriminate mass slaughter of Palestinian children? Are they in any way to blame?

You yourself are swimming in your own hypocrisy Annie.

You know ISLAM, and you know what ISLAM justifies.



As per.....

And according to ISLAMIST logic, the parents of Gaza, are responsible for the deaths of their own children.

As it was the parents of the Gazan children, that put their own children into a combat area - to be human shields - so as to support Jihadist 'operations' against the Israelis.



Quote:

There Can Be No End to Jihad' Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11, the Christians he most respects, and the Jesus he defends. posted 11/05/2007 ....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed. ....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise. ....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do. However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.

.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when children [i.e. whether it be Jewish or moslem children] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems.

Google;
"There Can Be No End to Jihad"






THERE IS A DUPLICITY IN THE 'ARGUMENT', OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA, WHENEVER INNOCENTS ARE KILLED BECAUSE OF CONFLICTS WITH MOSLEMS....

1/ Those who resist ISLAMISTS and who inadvertently kill innocents  = = "THEY, ARE MURDERERS OF INNOCENTS" - according to moslem propaganda.

2/ But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents  = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents]




But people like Annie only criticise the victims of "Jihad operations",
.....whenever the the intended victims of moslem violence, successfully fight back and are able to punish the moslems.iHey Annie, these people in Syria [image below] are your friends.

[They are the 'victims' whom people like yourself are defending];

IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg
The one holding the AK47 - Abdullah, from Sydney, on his holy-days.  Koran 9.123

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

Jews united against Zionism. The People of Israel oppose the...."State of Israel" Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2  For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3  They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4  They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.iEx Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah.

Psalms 65:1
Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.
2  O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3  Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
4  Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.


Psalms 69:34
Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein.
35  For God will save Zion, and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession.
36  The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.


Psalms 87:1
His foundation is in the holy mountains.
2  The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3  Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.


Psalms 110:2
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


Psalms 125:1
They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2  As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.
3  For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.
4  Do good, O LORD, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts.
5  As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.


Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.


Psalms 147:10
He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.
11  The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.
12  Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem; praise thy God, O Zion.i



Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.

Where does Torah lead us ?

Where was Torah intended to lead Israel ?


Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


Psalms 50:7
Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
8  I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.
9  I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
10  For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
11  I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
12  If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
13  Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14  Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
15  And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me


Isaiah 42:19
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?

Israel is annihilating the Palestinians.
its like Germany playing brazil.

the Palestinians need to work on their defence

I have a question. Does anyone here think the Palestinian elite are not as zealous in their aversion towards Jews and not as iniquitous in their agendas as the Zionist elitists? If Hamas had the same prodigious military funding Israel has, you can almost be sure they would try their absolute best to wipe out every Jewish woman, man, and child.

I understand how many atrocities the Israeli government has committed towards the hapless civilian Palestinians, but the Hamas are far from the saints seeking for stability and tranquility that the alternative media tend to depict them as.

greenserenity wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

I have a question. Does anyone here think the Palestinian elite are not as zealous in their aversion towards Jews and not as iniquitous in their agendas as the Zionist elitists? If Hamas had the same prodigious military funding Israel has, you can almost be sure they would try their absolute best to wipe out every Jewish woman, man, and child. I understand how many atrocities the Israeli government has committed towards the hapless civilian Palestinians, but the Hamas are far from the saints seeking for stability and tranquility that the alternative media tend to depict them as.

I dont know of anyone who think hamas are saints or free from religious fanaticism.

greenserenity wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

I have a question. Does anyone here think the Palestinian elite are not as zealous in their aversion towards Jews and not as iniquitous in their agendas as the Zionist elitists? If Hamas had the same prodigious military funding Israel has, you can almost be sure they would try their absolute best to wipe out every Jewish woman, man, and child. I understand how many atrocities the Israeli government has committed towards the hapless civilian Palestinians, but the Hamas are far from the saints seeking for stability and tranquility that the alternative media tend to depict them as.

Military funding for Israel?
Israel produces the Litening targeting pod which is used by many air forces, even Turkey uses Israeli technology for their ancient F4's.
The USA has requested Israel to not sell this technology to the Russians and China so whatever aid they get which is less than what the USA gives Pakistan could be viewed as compensation for restraint of trade.
Of course the Israeli company that came up with the Litening pod also produced Pill cameras and the colonoscopy cameras as well as many other innovations in medicine.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LITENING

The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?

Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, the jews should pull the plug IMO..

Quote:

Seventy thousand Gazans were in the dark on sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit a power line that supplies electricity,It is not clear when the Israel electric company workers will be able to repair the system. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html

Of course muslims were out in force to protest on the weekend about Israel, do you ever see muslims protesting about the sectarian strife in Syria or Iraq, do they ever protest about Boko Haram or Al Shaabab?
Why are muslims making the Arab-jew problem our problem?

This verse is probably the most common with muslims for taking it out of context,they leave out the first part-

Quote:

We decreed upon the children of Israel that whoever kills a soul, it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.... quran.com/5/32

Is it any wonder they act like butthurt neanderthals when jewish retaliation kills a muslim?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

greenserenity wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 12:06pm: I have a question. Does anyone here think the Palestinian elite are not as zealous in their aversion towards Jews and not as iniquitous in their agendas as the Zionist elitists? If Hamas had the same prodigious military funding Israel has, you can almost be sure they would try their absolute best to wipe out every Jewish woman, man, and child. I understand how many atrocities the Israeli government has committed towards the hapless civilian Palestinians, but the Hamas are far from the saints seeking for stability and tranquility that the alternative media tend to depict them as. Military funding for Israel? Israel produces the Litening targeting pod which is used by many air forces, even Turkey uses Israeli technology for their ancient F4's. The USA has requested Israel to not sell this technology to the Russians and China so whatever aid they get which is less than what the USA gives Pakistan could be viewed as compensation for restraint of trade. Of course the Israeli company that came up with the Litening pod also produced Pill cameras and the colonoscopy cameras as well as many other innovations in medicine. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LITENING The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military? Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, the jews should pull the plug IMO.. Quote: Seventy thousand Gazans were in the dark on sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit a power line that supplies electricity,It is not clear when the Israel electric company workers will be able to repair the system. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html Of course muslims were out in force to protest on the weekend about Israel, do you ever see muslims protesting about the sectarian strife in Syria or Iraq, do they ever protest about Boko Haram or Al Shaabab? Why are muslims making the Arab-jew problem our problem? This verse is probably the most common with muslims for taking it out of context,they leave out the first part- [quote]We decreed upon the children of Israel that whoever kills a soul, it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.... quran.com/5/32

Is it any wonder they act like butthurt neanderthals when jewish retaliation kills a muslim?

[/quote]



"Why are muslims making the Arab-jew problem our problem?"



If it's just an Arab-jew problem why do you so vociferously support israel and wish death and destruction on  the palestinians?


"The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?"


Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts. 

That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175.

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts.  That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175.

Rockets fired from Gaza have killed people,are you mistaking impotence for lack of intent?

The Israeli iron dome defence uses missiles developed from the Patriot series to shoot down these rockets if they are going near sensitive areas.
So how many rockets launched from Gaza has Israel shot down with their Iron dome?

aquascoot wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

Israel is annihilating the Palestinians. its like Germany playing brazil. the Palestinians need to work on their defence

"Oh!!!! The wicked Zionists are murdering our children!!!!!

PLEASE HELP US, PLEASE HELP US!!!!"





LATEST NEWS;


Quote:

Gaza conflict: Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire proposal, but Hamas.... .....Hamas's armed wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, rejected the reported text of the truce deal, saying: "Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-15/israel-approves-egyptian-ceasefire-proposal-for-gaza/5598960

Surprise, surprise!!!! .....NOT!


Google;
Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire proposal

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, the jews should pull the plug IMO.. Quote: Seventy thousand Gazans were in the dark on sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit a power line that supplies electricity,It is not clear when the Israel electric company workers will be able to repair the system. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html

LOL



OWN-DUMB-ASS goal!

Is it any surprise, that ISLAM has never produced an Einstein ?




Moslems don't care who they kill, as long as they are allowed to continue to kill someone for the cause of Allah.

Can you imagine how many moslems, moslems have killed - for the cause of Allah ?       :D

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Of course muslims were out in force to protest on the weekend about Israel, do you ever see muslims protesting about the sectarian strife in Syria or Iraq, do they ever protest about Boko Haram or Al Shaabab?

Even on - OzPol - our own Annie is protesting against those 'barbaric', 'child murdering' Israelis.



Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

......You........[are] condoning the indiscriminate mass slaughter of Palestinian children? Are they in any way to blame? If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption. There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.

But not a word of complaint from Annie, against ISIS in Australia.



IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are -  of those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.






IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg
The one holding the AK47 is - Abdullah - from Sydney, on his holy-days.  Koran 9.123

Should we sacrifice 1% of our coast to prevent WW3?


The yes vote is winning.

Yes we can avoid WW3 - a nuclear war -

if we can find the Jews a safe place where everyone likes them.

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

"The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?" Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts.  That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175.

It is Allah's will.

Ask a moslem, darkhall67.

The moslem will tell you; 'Nothing can happen on earth, except it has Allah's blessing.'

The Israelis are killing Gazans [who continue to rocket Israeli population centres] - COZ ALLAH WANTS MOSLEMS TO DIE FOR HIM.

AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING ALLAH'S WILL!!!!            :D            





Honest!!!!         ;D



Psalms 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.


Allah is killing the moslems.

Coz Allah - HATES THE MOSLEMS!          8-)




SUCK IT UP!

Both sides are war mongers, by invading Gaza Israel will fall into the trap of putting world opinion against them. By not defending themselves they will continue to suffer rocket attacks.
The simple solutions would be to build a gigantic wall around the middle east, wait a decade, come back in after they have wiped each other, bulldoze every thing and turn it into a national park.
The world would be a nicer place without them.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam have been the basis of hundreds of conflicts over thousands of years resulting in millions of deaths. If there was no oil there we would not bother with the Middle East, that region is like a cancerous growth on this planet.

greenserenity wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters.

A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities.
It's defending itself.
And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN.
If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm: Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts.  That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175. Rockets fired from Gaza have killed people,are you mistaking impotence for lack of intent? The Israeli iron dome defence uses missiles developed from the Patriot series to shoot down these rockets if they are going near sensitive areas. So how many rockets launched from Gaza has Israel shot down with their Iron dome?

You tell me.

It's your team.

Yadda wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 1:46pm: Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, the jews should pull the plug IMO.. Quote: Seventy thousand Gazans were in the dark on sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit a power line that supplies electricity,It is not clear when the Israel electric company workers will be able to repair the system. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html LOL OWN-DUMB-ASS goal! Is it any surprise, that ISLAM has never produced an Einstein ? Moslems don't care who they kill, as long as they are allowed to continue to kill someone for the cause of Allah. Can you imagine how many moslems, moslems have killed - for the cause of Allah ?       :D

It's almost as if they are subhuman and don't deserve to live isn't it?


Lucky god takes sides in these sort of conflicts isn't it?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters. A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities. It's defending itself. And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN. If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza.

If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel?

Yadda wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm: "The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?" Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts.  That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175. It is Allah's will. Ask a moslem, darkhall67. The moslem will tell you; 'Nothing can happen on earth, except it has Allah's blessing.' The Israelis are killing Gazans [who continue to rocket Israeli population centres] - COZ ALLAH WANTS MOSLEMS TO DIE FOR HIM. AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING ALLAH'S WILL!!!!            :D             Honest!!!!         ;D Psalms 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. 29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. 30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. Allah is killing the moslems. Coz Allah - HATES THE MOSLEMS!          8-) SUCK IT UP!

Great advertisement for your religion yadda.




And you wonder why atheism is growing.

The Atheistic religion is growing and getting angrier because these are the last days
as Prophesied in the bible. I don't think anyone really wonders why atheism is growing.

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:42pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters. A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities. It's defending itself. And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN. If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza. If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel?

I mean yeah hell such a large piece of land  :D :D

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

I don't think.

No argument.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:24pm: I don't think. No argument.

At the end of the day you're just a sad troll groggery .. Just ignore him.

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 5:44pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 1:46pm: Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, the jews should pull the plug IMO.. Quote: Seventy thousand Gazans were in the dark on sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit a power line that supplies electricity,It is not clear when the Israel electric company workers will be able to repair the system. www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-their-own-power-grid-in-gaza-2459856.html LOL OWN-DUMB-ASS goal! Is it any surprise, that ISLAM has never produced an Einstein ? Moslems don't care who they kill, as long as they are allowed to continue to kill someone for the cause of Allah. Can you imagine how many moslems, moslems have killed - for the cause of Allah ?       :D It's almost as if they are subhuman and don't deserve to live isn't it?

darkhall67,

Hamas are lying, treacherous, murdering criminals, imo.

You, and others may look away and deny it.

It is still true, imo.i
darkhall67,

I'm not making this stuff up.

A moslem, is a moslem.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

A moslem is a wanna-be-murderer - waiting for an 'opportunity' to 'serve' his religion.

ISLAM requires that, of a moslem.

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that he who kill infidels is doing 'good works', in Allah's cause.


darkhall67,

You, denying those truths, does not make any of them untrue.




darkhall67,

Jihad [religious fighting in Allah's cause] is the pinnacle of ISLAM.

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam








FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....


Quote:

May 20, 2014 KUALA LUMPUR: The concept of “moderate Muslim” was invented by “enemies of Islam” .....Suriani Sudi, the deputy chief of the group’s women’s wing, urged Muslims to be uncompromising when defending their religion. Suriani, also a lecturer at Kolej Universiti Islam Antarabangsa Selangor, said it is unfair to label Muslims who are simply defending their religion as “extremists.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/malaysia-muslim-leader-says-term-moderate-muslim-invented-by-enemies-of-islamiFROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....


Quote:

Western policies are to blame, says Livingstone By Andrew Sparrow, Political Correspondent 20/07/2005 Ken Livingstone yesterday blamed western policies for contributing to the spread of the extremist beliefs that inspired the London bombers. ......In a separate move, Anjem Choudary, the UK leader of the militant Islamist group al-Muhajiroun, interviewed for BBC Radio 4's Today programme said..... "The British Government wants to...........divide the Muslim community into moderates and extremists, whereas this classification doesn't exist in Islam," he said. "Either you are a practising Muslim or a non-practising one....."

Google;
ANJEM "Either you are a practising Muslim or a non-practising one"





FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....


Quote:

"Don’t call me radical. Don’t call me moderate. Call me Muslim." .....We do not have “radical” and “moderate” in Islam. Muslims are Muslims. .....Unfortunately those who follow the Quran and practise their religion are called radical Muslims or extremist or Islamist or fundamentalist. And those who only carry the name of Muslim and Islam without following the orders of Allah in the Holy Quran are called moderate Muslims or understanding Muslims or open minded Muslims!

google





FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....


Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam By Duncan Gardham 01/05/2007 In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah". The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

google

Yadda wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:14am:

darkhall67, I'm not making this stuff up. A moslem, is a moslem. A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. A moslem is a wanna-be-murderer - waiting for an 'opportunity' to 'serve' his religion. ISLAM requires that, of a moslem. ISLAM teaches the moslem, that he who kill infidels is doing 'good works', in Allah's cause.

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0








Quote:

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that he who kill infidels is doing 'good works', in Allah's cause.

As per the directives of Allah;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:42pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters. A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities. It's defending itself. And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN. If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza. If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel?

Your assertion is a false statement.

Moslems are murdering moslems, who are selling their homes and properties to Jews.



darkhall67,

You are an apologist for liars and murderers.

What is new ?

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:03pm: darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm: "The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?" Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts.  That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175. It is Allah's will. Ask a moslem, darkhall67. The moslem will tell you; 'Nothing can happen on earth, except it has Allah's blessing.' The Israelis are killing Gazans [who continue to rocket Israeli population centres] - COZ ALLAH WANTS MOSLEMS TO DIE FOR HIM. AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING ALLAH'S WILL!!!!            :D             Honest!!!!         ;D Psalms 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. 29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. 30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. Allah is killing the moslems. Coz Allah - HATES THE MOSLEMS!          8-) SUCK IT UP! Great advertisement for your religion yadda.

darkhall67,

It is not 'my' religion.





John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


John 18:37
....Jesus answered...To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.







Everyday i make mistakes as i travel through this life.

The mercy of God, is available for those who are sorry for their mistakes.

But not for liars, nor for those who remain rebellious and unrepentant.



Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Great advertisement for your religion yadda. And you wonder why atheism is growing.

Those who hate the light, do not come to it.

They turn away from it.

Their choice.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:42pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm: greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm: Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters. A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities. It's defending itself. And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN. If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza. If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel? I mean yeah hell such a large piece of land  :D :D

IMAGE.....
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."
/sarc off

Yadda wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:14am:

darkhall67, I'm not making this stuff up. A moslem, is a moslem. A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. A moslem is a wanna-be-murderer - waiting for an 'opportunity' to 'serve' his religion. ISLAM requires that, of a moslem.

In unguarded moments, moslems [addressing moslems] do expose their malevolent intent - towards those who are not moslems....


e.g.
A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems] #1,


Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece







IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/







As per the directives of Allah, within ISLAM's own foundation texts;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Why I'm on the brink of burning my Israeli passport

I can no longer stand by while Israeli politicians like Ayelet Shaked condone the deaths of innocent Palestinian women and children

She is young. She is pretty. She is a university graduate and a computer engineer. She is also an Israeli Parliamentarian - and the reason why I am on the brink of burning my Israeli passport. Because behind that wide-eyed innocent face lurks the Angel of Death.

Ayelet Shaked represents the far-right Jewish Home party in the Knesset. This means she is well to the right of Benyamin Netanyahu, just in case you thought such a thing was not possible.

On Monday she quoted this on her Facebook page:  “...They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers...They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

A week earlier, just before 17-year-old Mohammed Abu Khudair was snatched and burned alive, Shaked wrote: “This is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. The reality is that this is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people...”

So even before the boy died horribly she declared him to be the enemy, and afterwards, without any apparent hint of guilt or remorse, she was calling for the deaths of innocent women and their unborn babies.

She made me think about my mother’s sister Klara and her three small children who were living in Krakow in 1939 when the Germans invaded. They decided that the Jews – all Jews – were the enemy and had to be eliminated, not least the women and the little snakes they were raising. “Why? Ask them – they started it”, as the Nazis would say if asked.

I never met Klara or her children who had perished by 1942. I did meet my uncle Romek, who survived by working in Oskar Schindler's factory, and his wife Yetti who survived because she spoke good German and was able to pretend she was a fine German woman who had kicked out her Polish Jewish husband, as she smiled prettily at every Nazi she came across.
My father’s brother Shmuel and his young family also perished before I was born, taken in Holland, to where they had escaped from Berlin, to the same camp Anne Frank died in.

I know what it is to have been helpless victims, living and dying under racist oppressors’ boots, and I know that today’s Israelis are no longer the victims but the perpetrators of the current crisis...the fact remains that it is Israel which has the tanks, bombers, artillery, nuclear warheads and missile defences of Goliath, while ordinary Gazans had nothing a week ago and even less today, as even hospitals and schools were bombed.

Shaked got what she wanted: the death toll in Gaza is nearing 100200, one in four being children. Hundreds more have serious injuries in a place where hospitals have also been bombed and medical essentials are running out...

...And, as the bombs rain on Gaza, Israeli teens have taken to tweeting scantily-clad selfies alongside their political sentiments.  In two now deleted tweets, one wrote “Death to all of you Arabs you transfag”, while another proclaimed “Arabs may you be paralyzed & die with great suffering!”  Another teen simply tweeted “Death to these bugger*** Arabs”, and attached a photo of themselves pouting alongside it.

Seeing these angelic faces of evil spouting such genocidal rhetoric, I pick up my Israeli passport and a box of matches. “Not in my name, people. Not in my name!”

independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

As an ex-soldier in the Israeli Defense Forces, I've seen how shockingly we treat Palestinians

There are moral red lines. Why do we keep crossing them?

I only knew Gaza from the stories.  It was the military zone for which the Givate Brigade was responsible, but we all knew the stories about how they managed to kill several militants in one ambush. Honestly, we were a bit jealous. I was drafted into the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) at the end of the Second Intifada into a special operations unit of the paratrooper brigade. From the start of my service I knew that Nablus and Jenin would be the areas for which we were responsible. Child’s play, seemingly, compared to the stories that came out of Gaza – but my child’s play. I’ll never forget the first time that I was shot at, the first Palestinian corpse I ever saw, and the fear and adrenaline during my first military operation.

My first mission involved the seizure of a Palestinian home. I had never before had the opportunity to be inside a Palestinian home, and my squad was surprised for a moment by the fact that within the home lived an entire family – spanning three generations. We woke everyone up, and took over the house.

We put everyone in one room - women, men, children, and the elderly. One of the guys was stationed at the door to ensure that they didn’t get out. In the meantime, we took care of our business. I remember asking myself: what do they think about all of this? What would I do if soldiers broke into my home? But I immediately repressed these questions and carried on with the mission. As time passed, fear turned into boredom, adrenaline stabilized, and my doubts about the extent of the operational logic and its justification would return to gnaw at me. But the next day there were already new operations. This was our daily routine, and as a result, the next time I didn’t really think about how the family whose home we entered felt. My personal red moral line blurred very quickly. Every time I would tell myself – this is still okay. But it’s in the nature of red lines to move along an imaginary scale. I wasn’t bothered when we destroyed entire homes during search operations, and when my squad accidentally shot an innocent woman, and we quickly buried the incident and moved on. Today I know that my ability to distinguish whether a particular action crosses the line, didn’t really exist back then.

What happened to me is happening to the IDF and to Israeli society at large. During Operation Cast Lead I had been a civilian active with Breaking the Silence for over a year, but I was still shocked by the incidents I heard had occurred there. I remember a friend who had taken part in Cast Lead. He returned shaken by the fact that homes of “Hamas members” were deemed legitimate targets for bombing without any relation to the risk they posed to our soldiers in the field. That was the first time he had encountered such orders during his military service. This is what he testified:

"In the morning we identified four men, aged 25 - 40, with keffiyehs, standing outside the house talking. It was suspect. We reported it to intelligence, specifying the house they were about to enter. Intelligence passed this on to the Shabak (Israeli Security Agency) who reported that this was known as a Hamas activist’s house. This is automatically acted upon. I don’t remember what we used - whether it was a helicopter or something else, but the house was bombed while these guys were inside. A woman ran out of the house holding a child, and escaped southward. That is to say, there had been innocent people inside."

The same red line that was crossed during Operation Cast Lead has become the starting line for Operation Protective Edge. Homes of “Hamas members” were added to the IDF’s long list of potential targets in the Gaza Strip.

The politicians that send us to perform these tasks don’t even pretend to promise hope for a better future. Just further use of force and violence. Our doubts about logic and justice don’t even interest us anymore, as our red moral lines are constantly moving in the face of our reality - much like mine during my military service. 150 killed in Gaza in the first six days of the operation, the vast majority of whom were civilians, and a quarter of whom were children. Millions of Israeli and Palestinian people live in existential fear that a rocket or a missile will fall on their heads. The end of one bout of violence merely sets an alarm for the next.

The red line at which we stopped during Operation Cast Lead (2009), is the same line from which we commenced Operation Pillar of Defense (2011). The point at which we stopped during Pillar of Defense is the same place from which we’ve started Protective Edge. What will our next red line be? And when will we cross that one too? Only we can answer that question. It depends on us, and what we allow others to do in our name.

Avner Gvaryahu served in the IDF as a sergeant in special forces from November 2004-November, 2007

independent.co.uk/voices/comment/as-an-exsoldier-in-the-israeli-defense-forces-ive-seen-how-shockingly-we-treat-palestinians-9607267.html

LATEST NEWS FROM GAZA;

Google;
Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire proposal







"Oh!!!! The wicked Zionists are murdering our children!!!!!

PLEASE HELP US, PLEASE HELP US!!!!

Make the Israelis stop killing our children!!!!!"

Google;
hamas rejects gaza ceasefire




Jihad [religious fighting in Allah's cause] is the pinnacle of ISLAM.

Google;
jihad - is the pinnacle of islam

IMAGE.....
http://38.media.tumblr.com/29c1d326f6f4f684b0bd13921e542da1/tumblr_n8rt06HRth1r6m2leo1_1280.jpg

"Oh!!!! The wicked Zionists are murdering our children!!!!!

PLEASE HELP US, PLEASE HELP US!!!!

Make the Israelis stop killing our children!!!!!"

Google;
hamas rejects gaza ceasefire




Google;
Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire proposal

Hamas rejects gaza ceasefire.



+++



Quote:

"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."

- Osama bin Laden, November 2001





Quote:

"The Jews love life, .....they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

".....On the one hand, Israeli culture values life in all its aspects, including the sanctity of the life of others. Their soldiers take risks to spare civilians on the other side, unprecedented in the history of warfare. Aware of Israeli inhibitions, Jihadi groups use their own people as human shields in fighting the Israelis. Over the last few years, these Jihadi groups have developed a full-blown death cult in which they raise their children to want to die killing others."

Quote:

"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

"Our blood is cheap compared with the cause which has brought us together and which at moments separated us, but shortly we will meet again in heaven…"

Yasser Arafat (Maariv, Oct. 4, 1996)





Quote:

"Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and [even] call it heroism and martyrdom?"

Tunisian intellectual Al-Afif Al-Akhdar




Those "...we love death" quotes, above, were sourced here...
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/08/02/501/




Google;
jihad - "we love death"

Google;
muslims "we love death"





ISLAM - wicked, evil, murderous.

Moslems - followers of ISLAM.




Shahada - declaring, to be a moslem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada


"There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah."





A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40R3Yb7DTzo

Yadda wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

IMAGE..... http://38.media.tumblr.com/29c1d326f6f4f684b0bd13921e542da1/tumblr_n8rt06HRth1r6m2leo1_1280.jpg "Oh!!!! The wicked Zionists are murdering our children!!!!! PLEASE HELP US, PLEASE HELP US!!!! Make the Israelis stop killing our children!!!!!" Google; hamas rejects gaza ceasefire Google; Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire proposal Hamas rejects gaza ceasefire. +++ Quote: "We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two." - Osama bin Laden, November 2001 [quote]"The Jews love life, .....they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

".....On the one hand, Israeli culture values life in all its aspects, including the sanctity of the life of others. Their soldiers take risks to spare civilians on the other side, unprecedented in the history of warfare. Aware of Israeli inhibitions, Jihadi groups use their own people as human shields in fighting the Israelis. Over the last few years, these Jihadi groups have developed a full-blown death cult in which they raise their children to want to die killing others."

Quote:

"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

"Our blood is cheap compared with the cause which has brought us together and which at moments separated us, but shortly we will meet again in heaven…"

Yasser Arafat (Maariv, Oct. 4, 1996)





Quote:

"Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and [even] call it heroism and martyrdom?"

Tunisian intellectual Al-Afif Al-Akhdar




Those "...we love death" quotes, above, were sourced here...
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/08/02/501/




Google;
jihad - "we love death"

Google;
muslims "we love death"





ISLAM - wicked, evil, murderous.

Moslems - followers of ISLAM.




Shahada - declaring, to be a moslem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada


"There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah."





A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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Yadda I dont give a poo about how many stupid quotes you post from stupid religious fanatics.

I could post just as many from jews saying stupid hateful tripe.



Religious fanatics being religious fanatics.



180 mostly civilians have been killed in gaza. Some of them children.
From high tech missiles fired by a military juggernaut against an  under equipped opposition.

All because some religious fanatics killed some teenagers folowed by another group of religious fanatics torturing and murdering another teenager .

Stupid bloody religious fanatics and their tribal minds.

Dear LORD, please forgive me for being a religious fanatic.








Jeremiah 23:7
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8  But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2  Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.


Psalms 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31  The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32  The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33  The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
34  Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40R3Yb7DTzo

EXCELLENT!



Conclusion ?


Quote:

"Our children.....were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine"

- Hamas

ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!!




It is Allah that is killing the Gazans.

It is - 'written' - that Hamas cadres - AND THEIR CHILDREN - should die for Allah's cause.

BECAUSE, ALLAH WANTS ALL MOSLEMS TO DIE FOR HIM.

Coz Allah - HATES THE MOSLEMS!



.....AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING ALLAH'S WILL!!!!






Psalms 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment,
and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.i

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"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: 'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood' "Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html

ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!!


Google;
"Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood"i
Quote:

"Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

Which is appropriate.

Coz the Israelis want to plant orange trees.

And the orange trees need blood and bone.

Yadda wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Dear LORD, please forgive me for being a religious fanatic.

There is no forgiveness for being a religious fanatic.

No excuse these days either.

darkhall67 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 5:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 1:57pm: Dear LORD, please forgive me for being a religious fanatic. There is no forgiveness for being a religious fanatic.

I totally concur.




darkhall67,

Ideas are dangerous things.

And the most dangerous idea of all, is truth.



"If one wishes to enslave people, constrain their capacity for independent thought - not their hands; for the chain of dependence is incomparably stronger than the chain of iron."
- Law v Freedomi
ISIS in Australia - religious fanatics.

Who in 'mainstream' Australia is condemning ISIS [moslems] telling the truth ?


IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are -  of those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.






IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg
The one holding the AK47 is - Abdullah - from Sydney, on his holy-days.  Koran 9.123


Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg






Martyrs for the cause of Allah....

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD

"Allah Akbar!!!!"







"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
- George Orwell





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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him;"

John Locke 1632-170
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/shekinaspeaks/virginmarynearth.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyx_wX___Y4

GRAPHIC: Israeli shelling kills 4 Palestinian children on Gaza beach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Bea_PBDHU

Tears & despair: Hundreds mourn at funerals of Palestinian children killed on Gaza beach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMhFC2_4eE

RAW: Anger & unrest at London protest over 'BBC bias' on Gaza

http://deacondance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mother-Mary.jpg

The killing will end when the Palestinian people get up enough courage to kick out the murderous cowardly scumbags in Hamas.
No one will help Palestine. The Egyptians despise Hamas who are virtually the same as the muslim brotherhood (see what the Egyptians did with Gresta for even talking to them).
If the Palestinian civilians are too gutless to get rid of Hamas, they have only themselves to blame.
Heres a thought, throw lumps of concrete at Hamas instead of at the very civilised, restrained and compassionate jewish people

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The killing will end when the Palestinian people get up enough courage to kick out the murderous cowardly scumbags in Hamas.

to be correct

hamas was founded by the mossad

the mossad continues to execute these

false flag attacks

then blame it on the patsie hamas

so as the imposter jews, the khazars

can offer human sacrifice unto their fire god

moloch/molech

hamas was created by the mossad

to overthrow the plo ....many know this fact

so wake up there china

namaste


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Quote:

If Hamas cadres are launching rockets from Gaza, and those rockets are targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Sderot and other Israeli population centres, how should Israel respond ?

peace, and if it lasts for 5-10 years then maybe lowering of blockage, which was to stop weapons smuggling but no is no longer a worry, and negations of a two state solution might get somewhere.


Quote:

Is Israel justified in targeting Hamas cadres in Gaza, using air strikes, even if it is likely that some civilians in Gaza may be killed ?

Yes, if indonesia attacked us with 100 rockets, i would want to respond with 1000 rockets, tactical land invasions and night and day airstrikes.

Dont #$%@ with other counties especially a more powerful one, because it will overpower you.


Quote:

If the people of Gaza want the punishing Israeli reprisals against Hamas rocket launches to stop, should the people of Gaza demand that Hamas stop rocketing Israeli cities ?

Yes!!! If Australia Attacked the United States, we shouldn't just stand there and be like "wat cn pe d" we should over throw the dick head that "ok" the attack because if we dont the US will have their bombers over us as their troops enter our cities forcefully changing our government.


Quote:

Hamas is the elected governing authority in Gaza.

If the al qaeda was democratically elected in afghanistan, and did acts of terrer like flying planes into US towers.. Should the US just stand their going "well, they are democratically election by the people what can we do"...stupid question


Quote:

Hamas in Gaza, is democracy at work - among a moslem populace.

Again stupid question...