It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government.

It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver.

They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak.

Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes.

They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them.

But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election.

Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country.

Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever.

God Save Australia!

red baron wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. God Save Australia!

It just follows current norm of having pathetic leadership.

In the mix is a Labor PUP coalition government in the next term.

Are the two parties compatible?

red baron wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. God Save Australia!

They still have 2 1/2 years and 2 budgets Baron.

Most trendy students don't vote Coalition anyway.  Indoctrinated by public schools the way they are.

Ironically it is this demographic that will bear the lion's share of the compounding future tax burden just to pay for all the Govt handouts the left whinges about constantly and to service the Labor "financial black hole" and of course pay for the inevitable compounding welfare bill of the aging population.

Swagman wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:27am:

red baron wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:34am: It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. God Save Australia! They still have 2 1/2 years and 2 budgets Baron. Most trendy students don't vote Coalition anyway.  Indoctrinated by public schools the way they are. Ironically it is this demographic that will bear the lion's share of the compounding future tax burden just to pay for all the Govt handouts the left whinges about constantly and to service the Labor "financial black hole" and of course pay for the inevitable compounding welfare bill of the aging population.

what a load of rubbish ... Matty is a trendy student, he's as blind as you ...heaps of students vote lib. It just doesn't help your cause to admit it.

John Smith wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

what a load of rubbish ... Matty is a trendy student, he's as blind as you ...heaps of students vote lib. It just doesn't help your cause to admit it.

Depends upon your definition of 'trendy' Smithy.  In my experience the trendies were justabout all lefties.  Of course ultra libertarians could also be trendies but they are a minority.

Anyway, regardless of whom they vote for it doesn't alter the fact that it will be today's students that will bear the brunt of the tax burden brought on by the aging population.  A circumstance that you and most of your ideological comrades are completely ignoring and refuse to acknowledge.

When the money is coming out of your own pocket, your own hard earned and not someone else's your attitude regarding Govt handouts and personal taxation tend to change.

The LDP Senator David Leyonhjelm was a 'Young Laborite' as a student and worked on Whitlam's campaign according to WIKI.  Now he's a right wing libertarian?

John Smith wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

Swagman wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:27am: red baron wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:34am: It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. God Save Australia! They still have 2 1/2 years and 2 budgets Baron. Most trendy students don't vote Coalition anyway.  Indoctrinated by public schools the way they are. Ironically it is this demographic that will bear the lion's share of the compounding future tax burden just to pay for all the Govt handouts the left whinges about constantly and to service the Labor "financial black hole" and of course pay for the inevitable compounding welfare bill of the aging population. what a load of rubbish ... Matty is a trendy student, he's as blind as you ...heaps of students vote lib. It just doesn't help your cause to admit it.

yes... young liberals do exist.  But I don't really think we can describe them as people with a sane mind. 

I doubt the electorate will go with Shorton until he significantly lifts his game.

He came across like a ventriloquists’s dummy on Insiders yesterday. His answers are all rehearsed and delivered on script. He needs to loosen up and engage with people.

JuLiar had a touch of this when she first became PM. It took her a few months to come into her own. The great thing about JuLiar was that when she was backed into a corner, she gave up the script and came out fighting. The stage-managed "real Julia" turned into the fighter. All those rehearsed answers went out the window, but she knew those answers. Her knowledge of all portfolios, and her attention to detail were second to none.

The "human-touch" was second to none too. JuLiar could warm an audience in a few minutes, and she was interesting to hear.

Right now, Shorton’s as flat as a tack.

You only learn these skills by using them. Abbott has improved a little bit, but he’s never mastered the scrutiny of the lengthy interview or faced a Q&A audience on his own. It took Howard years to find his stride in this forum, and he only really mastered it when he left politics.

Through the 70s and 80s, Howard was a people-person, a Mr Nice Guy. When he became PM, he was forced to become the tough guy. Unfortunately, he always became the tricky lawyer in his 7.30 interviews, but prime minister’s days must take it out of them. It must be hard to pull it together to face Kerry O’Brian before you’ve had dinner.

Shorton is inexperienced and way out of his depth. He’s still new to politics. This shows, and I doubt he’ll get the job until he earns his stripes the hard way - years of blood, sweat, tears, and putting himself out there warts and all.

As much as Australia hates Abbott, at least he’s an experienced politician.

Forget Shorton. The next PM will be Turnbull. Surely the Libs aren’t stupid enough to give the top job to Shorton.

Or are they? They did give us Abbott, after all.

Once this budget is done and the hard work out of the way, the next two budgets will give Abbott an opportunity to deliver another two budgets that will allow him to work on items on his agenda, instead of just cleaning up after Labor, which is what this budget is virtually all about.

Karnal wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:20am:

I doubt the electorate will go with Shorton unless he significantly lifts his game. He came across like a ventriloquists’s dummy on Insiders yesterday. His answers are all rehearsed and delivered on script. He needs to loosen up and engage with people. JuLiar had a touch of this when she first became PM. It took her a few months to come into her own. The great thing about JuLiar was that when she was backed into a corner, she gave up the script and came out fighting. The stage-managed "real Julia" turned into the fighter. All those rehearsed answers went out the window, but she knew those answers. Her knowledge of all portfolios, and her attention to detail were second to none. The "human-touch" was second to none too. JuLiar could warm an audience in a few minutes, and she was interesting to hear. Right now, Shorton’s as flat as a tack. You only learn these skills by using them. Abbott has improved a little bit, but he’s never mastered the scrutiny of the lengthy interview or faced a Q&A audience on his own. It took Howard years to find his stride in this forum, and he only really mastered it when he left politics. Through the 70s and 80s, Howard was a people-person, a Mr Nice Guy. When he became PM, he was forced to become the tough guy. Unfortunately, he always became the tricky lawyer in his 7.30 interviews, but prime minister’s days must take it out of them. It must be hard to pull it together to face Kerry O’Brian before you’ve had dinner. Shorton is inexperienced and a bit out of his depth. This shows, and I doubt he’ll get the job until he earns his stripes the hard way - years of blood, sweat, tears, and putting himself out there warts and all.

Shorten is an imbecile. Who can forget that interview where he agreed blindly with Gillard. He'll never be PM and if there was one reason I pick for that, it's THAT interview. His political ambitions for the top job were nuked in those few short, disastrous minutes.

Abbot will spend "like a drunken sailor" as Costello described Howard's post-austerity budgets to retain power.  The mythical black hole that Labour didn't create will become a real one and of course, they'll keep blaming it all on the ALP, despite them not holding the purse strings any more.

Personally, I'd like to see Abbot destroy the economy, which he's on course to do.  Then the conservatives will be consigned to the wilderness.   I want to see a truly radical government for a change, a Greens government would do me down to the ground!  Go Christine for PM!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

Abbot will spend "like a drunken sailor" as Costello described Howard's post-austerity budgets to retain power.  The mythical black hole that Labour didn't create will become a real one and of course, they'll keep blaming it all on the ALP, despite them not holding the purse strings any more. Personally, I'd like to see Abbot destroy the economy, which he's on course to do.  Then the conservatives will be consigned to the wilderness.   I want to see a truly radical government for a change, a Greens government would do me down to the ground!  Go Christine for PM!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

So they let you out on day release huh?

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Can you point out how this lot is any better than a Greens Government?

They wilfully refuse to understand and instead attack Scientific findings at every turn over the issues of Climate Change, CO^2 emissions, CSG, conservation, pollution.

They encourage dirty, polluting industries like Coal mining and Coal fired power generation, all based upon lies and ignorance.  They are so deep in the pockets of the miners they can't see daylight, let alone stick their heads out.

They attack the poor, the disabled and the welfare dependent and blame them for their circumstances.  They discourage education as much as possible.

They want us to be dumb and stupid, 'cause they fear the people when they are smart and intelligent.

Abbot is a disaster.  I think it's time we gave the Greens a go.  They seem to have been quite successful in Europe with their smart and intelligent and green policies.   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

Once this budget is done and the hard work out of the way, the next two budgets will give Abbott an opportunity to deliver another two budgets that will allow him to work on items on his agenda, instead of just cleaning up after Labor, which is what this budget is virtually all about.

But that's just the problem. This budget won't get through. Abbott will be forced to spend the next two budgets trying to get the current budget through, and the makeup of the current senate will give him obstacle after obstacle, making him look like the complete opposite of the measured, predictable, steady grown-up he's sold himself as since JuLiar was in charge.

Each attempt will also make Abbott look mean and nasty, and the politics of each budget measure will be played out mercilessly in the public gaze.

The current action is the very opposite of sport and crime back on the front pages again. The Daily Tele's fighting an uphill battle trying to cast Clive as the bogey-man. Just look at the repeal of the carbon tax. It was meant to be Mr Abbott's day in the sun. Instead, it's reinforcing the perception of an inefficient, born-to-rule government without even a knowledge of the basic rules of the Westminster System.

And this is a tax the majority of the senate don't even want. Wait until it comes down to signature Abbott policies like Paid Parental Leave, not to mention all those budget cuts the Libs don't want to talk about.

The strategy was a first-hundred days attack on government spending: a quick, mean budget the Libs could lose a bit of popularity over, but make the public forget as the fickle media cycle moves on. Mr Abbott could then get back into his safety vest, have a few cups of tea with the workers, and make everyone love him again.

The reality has proven completely different. It's a spectacular fall from grace not even JuLiar could have envisaged. Not even News Limited can bring it around, and Murdoch's starting to make noises on Twitter that he picked the wrong man for the job.

Watch Malcolm Turnbull get column inches in Miranda Divine and Piers Ackerman's daily rants. Who knows? Maybe even Gerard Henderson and Bolt will come around. Alan's aready starting to thaw.

Better face it now, Armchair. It'll make it easier in the long-run. Abbott is yesterday's man. He was given the leadership on a silver plate, and he blew it. Monumentally.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

They seem to have been quite successful in Europe with their smart and intelligent and green policies

Which countries?  Some are on the verge of bankruptcy?


|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

They attack the poor, the disabled and the welfare dependent and blame them for their circumstances

That's propaganda.


|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

They want us to be dumb and stupid, 'cause they fear the people when they are smart and intelligent.

Garbage.  They want to reward effort and not need.


|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

They encourage dirty, polluting industries like Coal mining and Coal fired power generation

Which have been providing wealth and jobs for 100+ years and industries that we have a competitive advantage in.

They don't want to throw away economic prosperity based upon a questionable theory.

There is nothing wrong with Shorten's electability - the polls tell me so.

If that labor numptee in Victoria can become premier (which he will in November) then Shorten can become PM.

Isn't it funny though - that people are rubbishing the electoral chances of Shorten so soon after Tony Abbott got elected?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

Once this budget is done and the hard work out of the way, the next two budgets will give Abbott an opportunity to deliver another two budgets that will allow him to work on items on his agenda, instead of just cleaning up after Labor, which is what this budget is virtually all about.

The way we are going we wi have an Abbott 70$ billion black hole to fill next year.  But because they don't believe in revenue raising well simply see more attempts at cuts that will be voted down in the senate.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

There is nothing wrong with Shorten's electability - the polls tell me so.

ALP ahead on 2PP, Shorten ahead on PPM. Not bad for a first-term Opposition.


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If that labor numptee in Victoria can become premier (which he will in November) then Shorten can become PM.

The Victorian Parliament has been a circus. That's why Labor will win in November.


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Isn't it funny though - that people are rubbishing the electoral chances of Shorten so soon after Tony Abbott got elected?

Indeed ... if Abbott can win the Prime Ministership, anyone can.

The real test though is winning again. Abbott won't.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Can you point out how this lot is any better than a Greens Government?

The Greens actually have sensible economic alternatives. Raising the mining tax to its pre-JuLiar level is the smart thing to do. Raising income tax for the top 10% is good politics. The move to renewables is a shift that will happen with or without government support - households are already investing in solar. Shifting Australia from a coal-fired oligopoly into a technologically-savvy, renewable energy power will happen a lot easier with the government on board, rather than fighting it every step to support political vested interests.

Minor Greens policies like drug reform are being implimented in the US, just as carbon pricing is slowly being put into place around the world.

Even British Tories and US Republicans are questioning the Abbott madness of trying to create a global coalition of carbon emitters at a time when global carbon trading is starting to make progress.

Politically, the Greens are bastards. But economically, they're ahead of the times. A Turnbull-led Coalition could do a lot worse than making friends with the Greens. It's clear that minority governments are with us to stay. If either main party seriously courted the Greens, they could achieve enough support to get their main policies through the senate.

This, of course, would require patience and a lot of free lunches. Christine Milne and Hanson-Young have a tendency towards zealotry, but they could be courted by the right person.

If I was Turnbull, I'd be making friends now. The Greens might be holy-rollers, but at least they know which way the wind is blowing.

It's like they've tried to piss off the most amount of people in the shortest space of time.

It defies belief.

He might get a second term - although it's looking more likely this is even a remote possibility.

Bam wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:26pm: There is nothing wrong with Shorten's electability - the polls tell me so. ALP ahead on 2PP, Shorten ahead on PPM. Not bad for a first-term Opposition. Quote: If that labor numptee in Victoria can become premier (which he will in November) then Shorten can become PM. The Victorian Parliament has been a circus. That's why Labor will win in November. [quote]Isn't it funny though - that people are rubbishing the electoral chances of Shorten so soon after Tony Abbott got elected?

Indeed ... if Abbott can win the Prime Ministership, anyone can.

The real test though is winning again. Abbott won't.
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Politics is like an AFL match, we should never count our chickens until the final siren. the key is to ensure that voters remember the CONSTANT lies and Tony's ideological warfare.  These will guarantee he is thrown out in 2016 (and hopefully sooner if the senate continues to be a havoc for him).

Yes........the key is indeed to ensure that voters remember the CONSTANT lies and Tony's Labor's ideological warfare against the tax-payer.

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

It's like they've tried to piss off the most amount of people in the shortest space of time. It defies belief. He might get a second term - although it's looking more likely this is even a remote possibility.

Even the conga-line on this board are talking about whether he gets a second term.

But yes, the Libs have tried extremely hard to alienate everybody - particularly those like Palmer who can give them the most. No one even tried to reach poor old Ricky Muir. He must sit in his office all day bored, making no sense at all of all that paperwork the Libs send him to rubber-stamp with his senate vote.

The only names on the Libs' friends' list are rusted-ons like Alan and Bolt, but these are very fairweather friends. They'll drop the government like a turd as soon as it's in their interest to do so. People like Gerard Henderson and Michael Kroger will always be around, but it can't be good to have them being the last two people in Australia speaking up for you.

All the other old senior Libs are complaining, and even Rupert is jumping ship. One brief tweet from Murdoch will end all those supportive Daily Tele front pages. The Australian will continue to spruik, but they don't have to be so blatant in their spruiking. Who knows? Their news and opinion could even start to inject a bit of balance.

Interesting times indeed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

There is nothing wrong with Shorten's electability - the polls tell me so.

Polls mean nothing 2 years from an erection. It would be interesting to hear what the focus groups are saying.

The poll I use is the one in my head. Shorten is dull, naggy and empty. He talks a lot, but says nothing. He talks like an old lady on the phone.

Who's picking his outfits? He's starting to dress like Piers Ackerman. He'll be wearing cravats next.

Shorton is perfectly on message, and perfectly predictable - which is good, because it means you don't have to worry that you've missed something when you zone out when he speaks.

Shorton's just the leader Tony Abbott wants to be. Sensible, predictable, reliable... but he has none of the Fireman-Sam-to-the-rescue alpha-male status Abbott works so hard to bung on.

Shorton's just another born-to-rule ambitious type - a posh, Labor-Right dullard without even the rough edges Abbott works so hard to conceal.

Labor should find someone new now. With Shorton in power, Australia would be just the country Abbott wants, but can't manage to achieve.

Shorton is the very definition of a grown-up.

All Abbott has got at the moment is 'stop the boats'. You can see that he is trying to manipulate the ISIS business for political gain - declare terrorist organisation, cancel passports, etc.

Abbott must be praying for a Tampa, a 9/11, a war, or at least some "terror" show trials.

ASIS and ASIO to get injection of funds to fight threat from Middle East
smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/asis-and-asio-to-get-injection-of-funds-to-fight-threat-from-middle-east-20140710-zt3dm.html


Fascists who stand for nothing good must engineer threats to the people in order to justify their grip on power.

red baron wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. (Highly possible, but let's not count the chickens yet.) It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. (Predicted on here, long before the election was held.) They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. (Also predicted.) Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. (Ditto.) They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. (More on a wave of frustration.) But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. (Hope you are right.) Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. (Well, as the two people who bore the brunt of all the criticism have now gone, that is merely conjecture.) Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. (Wiser people than I argue that all pre-election scare mongering, by Abbott & Co, was just that....scare mongering.) God Save Australia!

Really, Red, I do feel for you and those like you who went into the last election believing that Abbott had all the answers.
One could have been in posession of a Time Machine and taken you on a short trip into the future to support the claims made about Abbott and you would still have voted the way you did.
Have you joined your local Seniors Club yet?

Going to be an interesting couple of years......

:)

red baron wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. God Save Australia!

Say goodbye to the tired old folk from the tired old parties.

Ring the new fresh faces that have no baggage nor debts. 

Lobo wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:34am: It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. (Highly possible, but let's not count the chickens yet.) It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. (Predicted on here, long before the election was held.) They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. (Also predicted.) Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. (Ditto.) They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. (More on a wave of frustration.) But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. (Hope you are right.) Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. (Well, as the two people who bore the brunt of all the criticism have now gone, that is merely conjecture.) Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. (Wiser people than I argue that all pre-election scare mongering, by Abbott & Co, was just that....scare mongering.) God Save Australia! Really, Red, I do feel for you and those like you who went into the last election believing that Abbott had all the answers. :)

No, Red, just couldn't stand JuLiar for some infathomable reason. Hated her.

JuLiar's government is now proving to be the most effective (sane, measured, predicable, reliable...) government we've had in years.

Mr Abbott can't win Red's crowd back. Once they hate you, they hate you for good.

Lobo wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

[quote author=red_baron18 link=1405294441/0#0 date=1405294441]It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. (Predicted on here, long before the election was held.) :)

Predicted, but not entirely predictable. I never believed Abbott would do a Campbell Newman with the federal government. I thought he'd keep his head down and try to make people love him.

Even David Marr predicted the budget wouldn't be so bad.

How wrong we were.

Swagman wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:55am: They seem to have been quite successful in Europe with their smart and intelligent and green policies Which countries?  Some are on the verge of bankruptcy?

Nope.  Germany where they have achieved 50% renewable energy.


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|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:55am: They attack the poor, the disabled and the welfare dependent and blame them for their circumstances That's propaganda.

No, that is reality, a reality where this government has decided that everybody is a bludger and should be punished, even if they are disabled or there are no jobs available.


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|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:55am: They want us to be dumb and stupid, 'cause they fear the people when they are smart and intelligent. Garbage.  They want to reward effort and not need.

They want a dumbed down electorate, where only the rich can afford to send their kids to Uni.  Where the most people can aspire to is a $2 a day wage, as their puppet mistress has decreed.


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|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:55am: They encourage dirty, polluting industries like Coal mining and Coal fired power generation Which have been providing wealth and jobs for 100+ years and industries that we have a competitive advantage in.

Which is a major contributor to the world's green house emissions.  Which spews crap and pollution into the atmosphere.


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They don't want to throw away economic prosperity based upon a questionable theory.

The only questions being asked are about the sanity of the Mad Monk and his motley crew who think it's OK to live in a heated planet which is polluted.  There is nothing questionable, scientifically about Climate Science.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:16pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:34am: It is now highly likely that the Liberals will be a one term Government. It defies logic how Abbott and Hockey have gone after huge slices of the population with a meat cleaver. They have done a full frontal attack on the poor and the weak. Then they have attacked the students of this Country with alarming Education funding changes. They rode in on a wave of goodwill, that the great majority of Australians provided to them. But if history is the teacher then the Abbott Government cannot stand against the inevitable backlash that will occur at the next Federal Election. Problem is, when one thinks of the alternative a Labor Party lead by Bill Shorten it almost makes you catatonic, to think what they would do to the Country. Look what micro managing Rudd and Gillard did, a financial black hole that goes on forever. God Save Australia! Say goodbye to the tired old folk from the tired old parties. Ring the new fresh faces that have no baggage nor debts.

You mean like Ricky Muir?

Forget about it.

Swagman wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Yes........the key is indeed to ensure that voters remember the CONSTANT lies and Tony's Labor's ideological warfare against the tax-payer.

What exactly were Labor's CONSTANT lies?

I'm curious.

Swagman wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Yes........the key is indeed to ensure that voters remember the CONSTANT lies and Tony's Labor's ideological warfare against the tax-payer.

Labor did not wage any war against me.  Nor were they as consistent and bigger liars as the Mad Monk and his crew have proved to be.

I'm not interested in the ALP winning.  The Greens, on the otherhand look more and more sensible every day!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Swagman wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:13am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:49am: what a load of rubbish ... Matty is a trendy student, he's as blind as you ...heaps of students vote lib. It just doesn't help your cause to admit it. Depends upon your definition of 'trendy' Smithy.  In my experience the trendies were justabout all lefties.  Of course ultra libertarians could also be trendies but they are a minority. Anyway, regardless of whom they vote for it doesn't alter the fact that it will be today's students that will bear the brunt of the tax burden brought on by the aging population.  A circumstance that you and most of your ideological comrades are completely ignoring and refuse to acknowledge. When the money is coming out of your own pocket, your own hard earned and not someone else's your attitude regarding Govt handouts and personal taxation tend to change. The LDP Senator David Leyonhjelm was a 'Young Laborite' as a student and worked on Whitlam's campaign according to WIKI.  Now he's a right wing libertarian?

regardless of who they vote for? then why make the comment?

so now we are moving onto who pays for it? we all know it won't be you Swag ... you'll use all the loop holes you can find

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

Shorten is an imbecile. Who can forget that interview where he agreed blindly with Gillard. He'll never be PM and if there was one reason I pick for that, it's THAT interview. His political ambitions for the top job were nuked in those few short, disastrous minutes.

who can forget the interview where Abbott stood there like a stunned mullet moving his head back and forth like the old dashboard ornaments ...

Ohh, thats right,, armpit can forget it ... for armpit looking like a stunned mullet is normal

:D :D :D

When things are going well and the electorate are happy, they soon forget the necessary hardships endured to achieve a pleasant existence. 

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

When things are going well and the electorate are happy, they soon forget the necessary hardships endured to achieve a pleasant existence.

yes but things aren't about to go well, things will get worse before they get better  ...

Also Abbott keeps harping on about a budget emergency while spending like a drunken sailor ... you think labors just going to let that slide?

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

When things are going well and the electorate are happy, they soon forget the necessary hardships endured to achieve a pleasant existence.

I thought things were going pretty well when JuLiar was in. But no, the grown-ups needed putting in charge.

And so it is.

Karnal wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 4:12pm: When things are going well and the electorate are happy, they soon forget the necessary hardships endured to achieve a pleasant existence.  I thought things were going pretty well when JuLiar was in. But no, the grown-ups needed putting in charge. And so it is.

She lacked pizazz. Now Tony, there is a man with flare, with passion, not a lot of sense or compassion, but he certainly knows how to entertain. Clive is more well-rounded if you what i mean.

The most entertaining part one suspects though will be watching Abbot implode as he fails.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Yes........the key is indeed to ensure that voters remember the CONSTANT lies and Tony's Labor's ideological warfare against the tax-payer. Labor did not wage any war against me.  Meaning you don't pay taxes? Nor were they as consistent and bigger liars as the Mad Monk and his crew have proved to be.  :D :D :D You have relatives that tell bigger lies, YOU tell bigger lies and puhlease lets not forget the Greens and other progressives that continually lie. I'm not interested in the ALP winning.  The Greens, on the otherhand look more and more sensible every day!   ;D ;D ;D ;D  Only to a complete idjit  :D :D :D

Karnal wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Even David Marr predicted

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Even....


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 4:12pm: When things are going well and the electorate are happy, they soon forget the necessary hardships endured to achieve a pleasant existence.  I thought things were going pretty well when JuLiar was in.

Well, you would, wouldn't you, old flaky gentlemen's outfitter from La Whore (Marxist-Leninist).

Have as many bananas as you like.