Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women, many early Church and Jewish leaders did not:

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Here are some quotes from well-known Church leaders and theologians that do not in any way reflect what the Bible says about women. Clement of Alexandria (Theologian and Greek Father, C2nd): “Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman…the consciousness of their own nature must evoke feelings of shame” Origen (Theologian and Greek Father, C2nd-3rd) “Men should not sit and listen to a woman… even if she says admirable things, or even saintly things, that is of little consequence, since it came from the mouth of a woman.” Tertullian (the Father of Latin Christianity, 155-245): ”And do you not know that you are (each) an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert— that is, death— even the Son of God had to die. And do you think about adorning yourself over and above your tunics of skins?” Chrysostom (Archbishop of Constantinople and Doctor of the Church,  C4th) “God maintained the order of each sex by dividing the business of life into two parts, and assigned the more necessary and beneficial aspects to the man and the less important, inferior matter to the woman.” Jerome (Priest, Theologian, Doctor of the Church and Latin Father, C4th-5th): “Woman is the root of all evil.” Augustine (Bishop of Hippo, Doctor of the Church and Latin Father, 354-430): “I don’t see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?” “. . . the woman together with her own husband is the image of God, so that that whole substance may be one image; but when she is referred separately to her quality of help-meet, which regards the woman herself alone, then she is not the image of God; but as regards the man alone, he is the image of God as fully and completely as when the woman too is joined with him in one.”  On the Trinity Book 12 7.10 Martin Luther (German priest, theologian and Protestant Reformer, C16th) : “The woman certainly differs from the man, for she is weaker in body and intellect. Nevertheless Eve was an excellent creature and equal to Adam in so far as the divine image: that is, righteousness, wisdom and eternal salvation, is concerned. Still, she was only a woman. As the sun is much more glorious than the moon (though also the moon is glorious), so the woman was inferior to the man both in honour and dignity, though she, too, was a very excellent work of God.” From Luther’s Commentary on Genesis. John Calvin (French theologian, pastor and Protestant Reformer, 1509-1564), of the first post-resurrection appearance of Jesus to women rather than to men: “I consider this was done by way of reproach, because they [the men] had been so tardy and sluggish to believe. And indeed, they deserve not only to have women for their teachers, but even oxen and asses. . . Yet it pleased the Lord, by means of those weak and contemptible vessels, to give display of his power.” From Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John. On this account, all women are born that they may acknowledge themselves as inferior in consequence to the superiority of the male sex. From Calvin’s Commentary on 1 Corinthians (Chapter 11) John Knox (Scottish clergyman and Protestant Reformer, C16th: “[Women are] weake, fraile, impatient, feeble and foolish.” He also said women were “unconstant, variable, cruel and lacking the spirit of counsel and regiment” and “woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man.” From his The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women.

[http://newlife.id.au/misogynist-quotes-from-church-fathers/]

Even early Jewish writers had misogynist views on women:

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Ben Sirach, a Jew writing in 2BC, wrote in his Apocryphal work Ecclesiasticus that a good wife is a silent wife and that all women have a disposition of sexual wantonness (Sirach 25:13-25; 26:13-16; 42:9-11, 12-14). “He maintained that women in general constitute a threat to the dignity and well-being of men and that the most dangerous threat comes from a man’s own daughter.” (“Women in Second Temple Judaism” in The Eerdmans Dictionary of Early Judaism.) An unknown Jewish writer, also writing in 2BC, states that “Women are evil … treacherous … lustful …” (Testament of Reuben 2:13-16) The Jewish philosopher Philo, writing in the 1AD, “…accepted the Aristotelian judgment that the female is, in and of herself, inferior to the male. He used this to explain the biblical narratives allegorically. The women of the Bible [he thought] represent inferior aspects of a person’s psyche, namely the senses, while the male figures represent the superior mind. The creation of woman, for example, is explained as a corruption of the mind by the senses (Opificio Mundi 59).” (“Women in Second Temple Judaism” in The Eerdmans Dictionary of Early Judaism.) Tertullian, an early Christian theologian writing in 2-3AD, called women “the Devil’s gateway”.  He had the opinion that all women are guilty of the Fall, and that women are especially guilty of Jesus’ death. (On the Apparel of Women, chapter 1.)

[http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/portrayal-of-women-and-biblical-inspiration/]

The Bible had a great deal to say about how women should behave:

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Silence in the church     "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."[1 Cor. 14:34–35] Instructions for Timothy See also: 1 Timothy 2:12 ("I suffer not a woman")     "I desire that the men pray everywhere lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting, and the women likewise [or 'in like manner']"[1 Tim. 2:8]     "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."[1 Tim. 2:11-12]     "[I desire women] to array themselves in a befitted catastola,[17] with reverence and restraint, not with braids, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But as becomes women proclaiming godliness, with good deeds."[1 Tim. 2:9–10]     "Let a woman learn, quietly, in all subjection [to God]."[1 Tim. 2:11]     "Now I permit a woman neither to teach nor exercise authority over a man, but let her be in quietness. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived [when he sinned]; but the woman, having [first] been thoroughly deceived, became [involved] in the transgression [of Adam], and she will be saved by the Child-bearing [i.e., the bearing of Jesus Christ], if they abide in faith, and love and sanctification with self-restraint."[1 Tim. 2:12–15] Bishops and deacons     "Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach...."[1 Tim. 3:1–2]     "A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well...."[1 Tim. 3:12]     "The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient."[Titus 1:5–6] Criteria for deacons     "Deacons likewise must be serious, not double tongued, not indulging in much wine, not greedy for money; they must hold fast to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them first be tested; then, if they prove themselves blameless, let them serves as deacons. Women likewise must be serious, not slanders, but temperate, faithful in all things. Let deacons be married only once, and let them manage their children and their households well; for those who serve well as deacons gain good standing for themselves and the great boldness in the faith that is in Christ Jesus."[1 Tim. 3:8–13] Headship A New Testament passage that has long been interpreted to require a male priority in marriage are these verses: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord," and "the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church…."[Eph. 5:22–24] Both Christian Egalitarians and Complementarians agree that the Apostle Paul wrote that the "husband is head…" and "wives, submit…," and that he was divinely inspired to write what he wrote, but the two groups diverge in their interpretation of this passage.     "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."[1 Cor. 11:3–9] [...] Submission to one's husband     "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, people have never hated their own bodies, but they feed and care for them, just as Christ does the church— or we are members of his body."[Eph. 5:22–30]     "Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."[Col. 3:18–19]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle_and_women]

All in all we get a picture where women are treated as subservient to men and must be kept in that position according to the dictates of Christian religious teaching.

Today, women cannot be ordained in mainstream Christianity, sexism is rampant.  ;D  :D

That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it.

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it.

Those Christian teachings are still being taught as part of the Bible and are evident in Christian attitudes towards women.  Women cannot be ordained, they cannot give services in mainstream Christian churches.  In some of the odder sects, such as the Exclusive Brethren believe women should be completely subservient to their husbands.   That is today, not yesterday.  ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:35pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm: That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it. Those Christian teachings are still being taught as part of the Bible and are evident in Christian attitudes towards women.  Women cannot be ordained, they cannot give services in mainstream Christian churches.  In some of the odder sects, such as the Exclusive Brethren believe women should be completely subservient to their husbands.   That is today, not yesterday.  ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D

At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.

Not if they are members of the Exclusive Brethren.  Women must cover their hair, cannot leave the house except in the company of related menfolk, cannot divorce nor marry outside their religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/jun/02/familyandrelationships.features

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:51pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:38pm: At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc. Not if they are members of the Exclusive Brethren.  Women must cover their hair, cannot leave the house except in the company of related menfolk, cannot divorce nor marry outside their religion. http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/jun/02/familyandrelationships.features http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren

Well they are only a tiny group of the christian religion. In Islam those things are common.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....

Hot_Breath,

YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT.

e.g.
Compare what the bible commands, of how Christian men should treat their women;

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19  Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.



Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.


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and then, what ISLAM/Allah commands, as to how moslem men should treat their women;



THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #1

The Koran [Allah] instructs moslems to beat disobedient wives, but ever so lightly.

And you know, don't you, that moslem men do beat their wives,...ever so lightly.

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Koran 4.34


Actually, i have read somewhere, that the 'clarifying' insertion "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC KORAN.

And that this 'insertion' is [has been] added in some English translations of the Koran - to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran, one can only assume.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #2

IMO, within ISLAM, women have the status of cattle or 'fields'.

The Koran [i.e. Allah] states that the woman, the wife, has the status of a field [of earth, 'tilth'].

And her husband may use her [plough her] as he wishes ['how ye will'].

And remember that every word in the Koran, has the sanctity of coming directly from Allah himself.

And remember also, that Allah is never wrong, mistaken.


"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe."
Koran 2.223

Dictionary;
tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #3

Under ISLAMIC inheritance law.
Any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir.
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.

"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half...."
Koran 4.11






ALSO;
In the Hadith, Mohammed actually says that most of the inhabitants of HELL were women,
AND Mohammed SAID THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, BECAUSE WOMEN WERE WICKED CREATURES.




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A GALLERY - of acid-attacks on Islamic women - BY 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' MOSLEM MEN
http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/epidemic-of-acid-attacks-on-islamic-women/

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:51pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:38pm: At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc. Not if they are members of the Exclusive Brethren.  Women must cover their hair, cannot leave the house except in the company of related menfolk, cannot divorce nor marry outside their religion. http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/jun/02/familyandrelationships.features http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren Well they are only a tiny group of the christian religion. In Islam those things are common.

No, the Exclusive Brethren is a fundamentalist Christian Group, they are representatives of the true teachings of Christianity.  They have told me so, who am I to doubt them????    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Yadda wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT.

So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT. So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it.

You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions.

Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination).

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT. So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it. You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions. Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination).

Islam as a whole?  Funny, I didn't see much evidence of that when I was last in Indonesia or Malaysia, Soren.  Have you ever stepped outside of Australia?  Ever?   ::)

Notable how 3 populous Muslim countries beat Australia to the punch with women heads of government.

Even the US hasn't achieved that yet.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

Notable how 3 populous Muslim countries beat Australia to the punch with women heads of government. Even the US hasn't achieved that yet.

Yeah, one got shot. I don't know what happened to the other two.

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:35pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm: That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it. Those Christian teachings are still being taught as part of the Bible and are evident in Christian attitudes towards women.  Women cannot be ordained, they cannot give services in mainstream Christian churches.  In some of the odder sects, such as the Exclusive Brethren believe women should be completely subservient to their husbands.   That is today, not yesterday.  ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.

So basically you are saying its okay because they arent muslim?

SOB

I see that the Anglican Synod today FINALLY, 2,000 years after Christ preached the equality of the sexes, has decided to allow women to become Bishops.   Amazing that a Church which has a female at it's head took so long to do this.  That misogynist teaching is obviously harder to overcome than it seems.  Now, I wonder how soon before we see female priests in the Catholic and other denominations?  I won't be holding my breath!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT. So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it. You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions. Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination). Islam as a whole?  Funny, I didn't see much evidence of that when I was last in Indonesia or Malaysia, Soren.  Have you ever stepped outside of Australia?  Ever?   ::)

Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes.

WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT. So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it. You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions. Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination). Islam as a whole?  Funny, I didn't see much evidence of that when I was last in Indonesia or Malaysia, Soren.  Have you ever stepped outside of Australia?  Ever?   ::) Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes. WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy.

Whom are you referring to, Soren?  No religion, no society is perfect IMHO.  I'm surprised though, or perhaps I shouldn't be? That you spend so much time attacking Muslims when there are so many other issues of much greater importance besetting this nation and the world.

You know, if you devoted even a fraction of your time to solving the problems of our Indigenes, they'd be fixed?  Instead you waste it with all this negativity directed against one tiny, insignificant group in our society, most of whom aren't, according to what you claim, even good Muslims.  Afterall, you preach an Islam so pure I suspect no one, even yourself could measure up to it.  You are a true Takfari graduate of the Madrassa, Soren.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT. So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it. You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions. Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination). Islam as a whole?  Funny, I didn't see much evidence of that when I was last in Indonesia or Malaysia, Soren.  Have you ever stepped outside of Australia?  Ever?   ::) Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes. WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy. Whom are you referring to, Soren?  No religion, no society is perfect IMHO.  I'm surprised though, or perhaps I shouldn't be? That you spend so much time attacking Muslims when there are so many other issues of much greater importance besetting this nation and the world. You know, if you devoted even a fraction of your time to solving the problems of our Indigenes, they'd be fixed?  Instead you waste it with all this negativity directed against one tiny, insignificant group in our society, most of whom aren't, according to what you claim, even good Muslims.  Afterall, you preach an Islam so pure I suspect no one, even yourself could measure up to it.  You are a true Takfari graduate of the Madrassa, Soren.    ::)

Buzz off pal, you are becoming ridiculous.  Have you noticed the main post of this exchange??

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Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....

And the responses to that.


Until I see you censoring this sort of tendentious bollocks I don't want you to come after me for pulling up idiots like that and you for making pouting or grinning excuses.

Go fumble with someone else's inner leg measurements until then. And while you are fumbling and groping, devote some thoughts to the question:


Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes.

WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm: Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,..... Hot_Breath, YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT. So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it. You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions. Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination). Islam as a whole?  Funny, I didn't see much evidence of that when I was last in Indonesia or Malaysia, Soren.  Have you ever stepped outside of Australia?  Ever?   ::) Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes. WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy. Whom are you referring to, Soren?  No religion, no society is perfect IMHO.  I'm surprised though, or perhaps I shouldn't be? That you spend so much time attacking Muslims when there are so many other issues of much greater importance besetting this nation and the world. You know, if you devoted even a fraction of your time to solving the problems of our Indigenes, they'd be fixed?  Instead you waste it with all this negativity directed against one tiny, insignificant group in our society, most of whom aren't, according to what you claim, even good Muslims.  Afterall, you preach an Islam so pure I suspect no one, even yourself could measure up to it.  You are a true Takfari graduate of the Madrassa, Soren.    ::)

Soren is in the grip of irrational fear.

He's invested so much time and energy into being scared of anything that's different to him, that he no longer knows how to live a normal life.

The big bad Muslim terrorists don't have to do a thing now: they've already succeeded in destroying Soren's life.

Imagine what it's like to live in constant, irrational fear.  Never knowing when a big bad Muslim is gonna knock down your front door and rape, murder, and eat your entire family.

I almost feel sorry for Soren.  Almost.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:58pm:

Soren is in the grip of irrational fear. He's invested so much time and energy into being scared of anything that's different to him, that he no longer knows how to live a normal life. The big bad Muslim terrorists don't have to do a thing now: they've already succeeded in destroying Soren's life. Imagine what it's like to live in constant, irrational fear.  Never knowing when a big bad Muslim is gonna knock down your front door and rape, murder, and eat your entire family. I almost feel sorry for Soren.  Almost.

These people also suffered irrational fear according to groggery.

http://www.wenublog.com/wp-content/images/Islamic%20Nigeria%20Crime.jpg

Groggery as per usual has no idea what he is talking about and is just a troll.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:26pm:

You are a true Takfari graduate of the Madrassa, Soren.

That's the first time Soren has been accused of graduating anything.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:04pm:

Buzz off pal, you are becoming ridiculous.

What's wrong, Soren, is your bigotry showing again?  Getting a little rattled when I question your raison d'être here?  Who are you to determine if I can post or not here?  Mmm?   ::)


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Have you noticed the main post of this exchange?? [quote]Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....

And the responses to that.
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Yes, I've noticed it.  You however appear to have some sort of problem with a factual statement like that.  What's wrong forgotten Matthew 7:3?


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Until I see you censoring this sort of tendentious bollocks I don't want you to come after me for pulling up idiots like that and you for making pouting or grinning excuses.

Why should I censor it?  It's factually correct.  Do you feel you need to censor history because you find it unpalatable 'cause it's about your religion?  Is the truth unacceptable to you?   ::)


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Go fumble with someone else's inner leg measurements until then. And while you are fumbling and groping, devote some thoughts to the question: Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes. WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy.

I do, Soren.  You do.  Some Muslims do.  Sh'ria was designed for an Arabic society 1400 years ago.  It doesn't really work too well nowadays.  Modernist Muslims realise that and simply ignore the tenants that don't suit them.  Rather in the way Christians do, with their religion.

Tell us, Soren, have you touched any pig leather lately?  Worn cloth of different weaves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:23am:

Tell us, Soren, have you touched any pig leather lately?

Of course.

He gave the wife a bit of a slap and tickle just last night.

One id will suffice.

Why be a troll greg you contribute nothing ?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:23am:

What's wrong, Soren, is your bigotry showing again?  Getting a little rattled when I question your raison d'être here?

He gets rattled quite easily.

As do most of the irrational bigots on this forum.

I find it very entertaining.

Why be a troll greg you contribute nothing ?

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:36am:

Why be a troll greg you contribute nothing ?

Repeating the same lie doesn't make it any truer.  You are a troll.  Go away.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:23am:

Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:04pm: Show us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes. WHo dares to say that Mohammed's rulings on inheritance are to be discarded and men and women should inherit equally??  Show, us, laffin' boy. I do, Soren.  You do.  Some Muslims do.  Sh'ria was designed for an Arabic society 1400 years ago.  It doesn't really work too well nowadays.  Modernist Muslims realise that and simply ignore the tenants that don't suit them.  Rather in the way Christians do, with their religion.

You are not showing us the Islamic call for the equality of the sexes, you are not showing the Islamic rejection of Mohammed's rulings on differential inheritance.

I am not asking you to tell me that there are apostates or others who reject Islam wholly or in parts. I know sharia is outdated - yet it is spreading in Muslim majority countries and Muslim minorities in the west are calling for its introduction for... er... family law matters, to start with (ie to differentiate between men and women).



I am asking you to show us the ISLAMIC call for equality of the sexes, the ISLAMIC call to equality before the law which is a direct opposite of Mohammed's rulings in matters of inheritance, for example..

As for the Christian call for the equality of the sexes - Anglican and Uniting Church bishops are good examples.
For equality of the sexes before the law, including inheritance matters - see the Western legal system as a whole and in every particular: secular, based on the principle of equality before the law.

Where is the call of the Christian religion for equality?

Note that, the Christian religion Soren, not the Bible's, not the call of Christians but the call the organised religion has made and answered itself for equality, within the religion.

What?  It's absent?  Colour me amazed.  Where the female Catholic priests?  Female Catholic bishops, cardinals?     Eastern Orthodox equivalents?  Other Protestant denominations?  Nearly all absent and they have been absent for the best part of 2,000 years.   So, perhaps you need to look to your own saucepan's bottom before you start to criticise the Muslim Kettle's.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Where is the call of the Christian religion for equality? Note that, the Christian religion Soren, not the Bible's, not the call of Christians but the call the organised religion has made and answered itself for equality, within the religion. What?  It's absent?  Colour me amazed.  Where the female Catholic priests?  Female Catholic bishops, cardinals?     Eastern Orthodox equivalents?  Other Protestant denominations?  Nearly all absent and they have been absent for the best part of 2,000 years.   So, perhaps you need to look to your own saucepan's bottom before you start to criticise the Muslim Kettle's.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Thanks for trying to divert and muddy.

Not working.

Look at the Anglican, Uniting Church, Pentecostals, Americana and Scottish Episcopelians. Female priests, bishops everywhere. And that's just the churches.

Equally pertinently,  in the West there is no religion-based law and therefore there is equality before the law regardless of this that or other religious tradition. So what the Catholics think is irrelevant in Western law.

You are trying the equivalence caper but there is no equivalence between Islamic and western religious and legal practice regarding the equality of the sexes, either in religion or in law.

Are you denying the rich history of Christian misogyny, Soren?   ::)

Today, the Protestant denominations are changing.  Catholics have a long way to go, to even recognising they have a problem, let alone ordaining women.  The Eastern Orthodox Churches are even more conservative in many ways.  Then there are the Christian fundamentalists, whom prefer their women "barefoot and pregnant".

2,000 years, Soren, its taken Christianity to even recognise women as something other than evil, tempters in league with the Devil. Hardly a proud record.  Of course, you can blame it all on the Muslims and try and be an apologist for Christianity's sorry record on the subject, Soren, as you already have in this thread...    ::)  ::)

I reckon Brain and Sock Breath were victims of Christian Misogyny as children. 

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

Are you denying the rich history of Christian misogyny, Soren?   ::) Today, the Protestant denominations are changing.  Catholics have a long way to go, to even recognising they have a problem, let alone ordaining women.  The Eastern Orthodox Churches are even more conservative in many ways.  Then there are the Christian fundamentalists, whom prefer their women "barefoot and pregnant". 2,000 years, Soren, its taken Christianity to even recognise women as something other than evil, tempters in league with the Devil. Hardly a proud record.  Of course, you can blame it all on the Muslims and try and be an apologist for Christianity's sorry record on the subject, Soren, as you already have in this thread...    ::)  ::)

Change.

The ability to change. That's the key in this discussion. The West can change and improve. Church and the secular public sphere are separated. There is no call to return to 1st century Judean practices.
Most importantly, the West has freedom and human dignity as its central ideas both of its religion, Christianity, and its secular scientific, rational mind set. And that is because these are fundamental Christian ideas, wholly absent from other religions, not least Islam.
Secularism, freedom and equal human dignity has not emerged elsewhere organically, from the various other traditions around the world. It is present, if it is, only because of imitations of the West.


Anyway, show us the Islamic call for equality between the sexes, at least before the law, if not in the mosque.

WHere is the Islamic groundswell for the recognition of women's dignity and freedom?

Or at least where is the groundswell to separate the Islamic doctrines from the secular, civil, legal life of Muslims.

Don't bother - there is no such groundswell of apostasy. There is quiet leaving of Islam but public agitation would be treated as blasphemy and we know what happens to them in Muslim countries.


I wouldn't be bothered with any of this if it was all kept in Muslim countries. But it is forcibly exported into every country. Muslims want to introduce sharia courts for family matters - that is, to override the equality of the sexes and to treat women and girl differently. In Western secular countries.

That must be resisted and that must be spoken out against.

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse?

Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::)

Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::)

Prove there was 2000 years of christian misogyny ankles ?
Islam on the other hand upsets you as an islamic apologist doesn't it ankles.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::)

Oh dear, the ironing is delicious.

And I think you meant conversation, spell checkers don't work if you cannot spell. 

Faaair dinkum, there's some poo topics on this forum, but this one takes the cake.

Churchy nice people worship the ground women walk on - the only reason the word misogyny even exists is because shielas in christian countries haven't got anything real to complain about.

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) Prove there was 2000 years of christian misogyny ankles ? Islam on the other hand upsets you as an islamic apologist doesn't it ankles.

"ankles"?   ::)

I think that HB's opening posts rather proves that Christianity's  misogyny stretches back nearly 2,000 years, Matty.

The point that only in the last 20 have we seen women Ordained in some Christian denominations shows that much hasn't changed for most of those two millennia, don't you think?  The main Christian denomination, the one Holy Apostolic Church still does not treat women equally shows that the problem remains.   

Or will you, like Soren attempted to deny it, as you do the Christian Terrorists who draw their religious inspiration from Christianity's teachings?   ::)

I suppose you could always blame it on the Muslims... 

... wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:06pm:

Faaair dinkum, there's some poo topics on this forum, but this one takes the cake. Churchy nice people worship the ground women walk on - the only reason the word misogyny even exists is because shielas in christian countries haven't got anything real to complain about.

I dunno I don't think Brain Toss is getting any at all.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) Prove there was 2000 years of christian misogyny ankles ? Islam on the other hand upsets you as an islamic apologist doesn't it ankles. "ankles"?   ::) I think that HB's opening posts rather proves that Christianity's  misogyny stretches back nearly 2,000 years, Matty. The point that only in the last 20 have we seen women Ordained in some Christian denominations shows that much hasn't changed for most of those two millennia, don't you think?  The main Christian denomination, the one Holy Apostolic Church still does not treat women equally shows that the problem remains.    Or will you, like Soren attempted to deny it, as you do the Christian Terrorists who draw their religious inspiration from Christianity's teachings?   ::) I suppose you could always blame it on the Muslims...

Yeah if they were terrorising muslims its probably just payback anyway. You wouldn't be apologizing for muslim terrorists again would you Brain Toss?

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:09pm: Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) Prove there was 2000 years of christian misogyny ankles ? Islam on the other hand upsets you as an islamic apologist doesn't it ankles. "ankles"?   ::) I think that HB's opening posts rather proves that Christianity's  misogyny stretches back nearly 2,000 years, Matty. The point that only in the last 20 have we seen women Ordained in some Christian denominations shows that much hasn't changed for most of those two millennia, don't you think?  The main Christian denomination, the one Holy Apostolic Church still does not treat women equally shows that the problem remains.    Or will you, like Soren attempted to deny it, as you do the Christian Terrorists who draw their religious inspiration from Christianity's teachings?   ::) I suppose you could always blame it on the Muslims...  Yeah if they were terrorising muslims its probably just payback anyway. You wouldn't be apologizing for muslim terrorists again would you Brain Toss?

Have I ever apologised or excused Terrorism by anybody, Matty?

You, OTOH, regularly attempt to try and claim Christian Terrorists aren't Christians, despite them claiming they are.   ::)

So, it appears you're not attempting to deny Christianity's 2,000 years of Misogyny.  Good.  There might be hope for you yet.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

Have I ever apologised or excused Terrorism by anybody, Matty? You, OTOH, regularly attempt to try and claim Christian Terrorists aren't Christians, despite them claiming they are.   ::)

I think that post proves you are a bit backward. I don't attempt to, I prove it. Unlike your posts that can't prove anything but are just trolling. I can claim to be called Brain Toss and post utter bullshyte all over the internet yet I am clearly not .

Your bigoted hatred of the Jews and Christians is obvious. Yet you can add both their terror tallies together and they get dwarfed by Islamic terrorism which you continually apologize for. You are just a bigot and a troll nothing more.

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:18pm: Have I ever apologised or excused Terrorism by anybody, Matty? You, OTOH, regularly attempt to try and claim Christian Terrorists aren't Christians, despite them claiming they are.   ::) I think that post proves you are a bit backward. I don't attempt to, I prove it. Unlike your posts that can't prove anything but are just trolling. I can claim to be called Brain Toss and post utter bullshyte all over the internet yet I am clearly not .

Yet we have those Christian Terrorists still claiming inspiration from their Christian teachings, Matty.  Looks to me like the only person you're fooling is yourself.   ::)

Perhaps you're one of Soren's "enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers?"

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Your bigoted hatred of the Jews and Christians is obvious.

It is?  How?  Please demonstrate, with examples where I have displayed those tendencies?


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Yet you can add both their terror tallies together and they get dwarfed by Islamic terrorism which you continually apologize for. You are just a bigot and a troll nothing more.

Yes they do, Matty however, that still does not excuse those tallies, now does it?  Or is it numbers that matter, rather than principles in your world view?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:24pm: Your bigoted hatred of the Jews and Christians is obvious. It is?  How?  Please demonstrate, with examples where I have displayed those tendencies? Quote: Yet you can add both their terror tallies together and they get dwarfed by Islamic terrorism which you continually apologize for. You are just a bigot and a troll nothing more. Yes they do, Matty however, that still does not excuse those tallies, now does it?  Or is it numbers that matter, rather than principles in your world view?   ::)

Well considering most is probably due to muslim terrorism in the first place I'd say it probably is self defence most the time. In any case that still leaves you a racists bigot and a troll nothing more. You have no credibility here and you know it so troll away. Roll out Hot Breath now go on.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:18pm: Have I ever apologised or excused Terrorism by anybody, Matty? You, OTOH, regularly attempt to try and claim Christian Terrorists aren't Christians, despite them claiming they are.   ::) I think that post proves you are a bit backward. I don't attempt to, I prove it. Unlike your posts that can't prove anything but are just trolling. I can claim to be called Brain Toss and post utter bullshyte all over the internet yet I am clearly not . Yet we have those Christian Terrorists still claiming inspiration from their Christian teachings, Matty.  Looks to me like the only person you're fooling is yourself.   ::) Perhaps you're one of Soren's "enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers?"

Yet you have a handful of terrorists you demand are Christian and still don't even know what a Christian is  ;D ;D ;D ;D. Yep brian you are just so smart. Can't upset the mind of the bigot now can we  ;D ;D ;D.
Looks to me like you still don't know what you are posting about because you are so bigoted you are unable to assess information. Perhaps you are an islamic extremist bigot more to the point. Its hilarious you mention Christian teachings yet you don't know what they are and when you quote them they are all gobbily gook out of context.

Yes the old extremist brain wave of the islamic forums at it again, ill informed, making a fool of himslef yet again.  :D :D :D

Thats our Brain Toss for you

Eagerly awaits next bigot post by Brain

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:35pm: Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:21pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:18pm: Have I ever apologised or excused Terrorism by anybody, Matty? You, OTOH, regularly attempt to try and claim Christian Terrorists aren't Christians, despite them claiming they are.   ::) I think that post proves you are a bit backward. I don't attempt to, I prove it. Unlike your posts that can't prove anything but are just trolling. I can claim to be called Brain Toss and post utter bullshyte all over the internet yet I am clearly not . Yet we have those Christian Terrorists still claiming inspiration from their Christian teachings, Matty.  Looks to me like the only person you're fooling is yourself.   ::) Perhaps you're one of Soren's "enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers?" Yet you have a handful of terrorists you demand are Christian and still don't even know what a Christian is  ;D ;D ;D ;D. Yep brian you are just so smart. Can't upset the mind of the bigot now can we  ;D ;D ;D.

Matty, I am merely applying the same logic I read every day applied here to Muslims, to Christians.  I don't see you recognising the fallacy where it concerns Muslims.  I wonder why?   ::)


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Christian Line breaks: Chris|tian Pronunciation: /ˈkrɪstɪən , -tʃ(ə)n/ adjective 1Relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings: the Christian Church More example sentences 1.1 informal Having qualities associated with Christians, especially those of decency, kindness, and fairness. More example sentences noun Back to top  A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity: a born-again Christian More example sentences Origin late Middle English: from Latin Christianus, from Christus 'Christ'. Derivatives Christianization Pronunciation: /ˌkrɪstʃ(ə)nʌɪˈzeɪʃ(ə)n, -tɪən-/ (also Christianisation) noun     More example sentences Christianize (also Christianise) verb     More example sentences Christianly adverb

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Seems to me, Christian Terrorists fit the definition of being a Christian, they "profess Christianity or its teachings," don't they?


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Looks to me like you still don't know what you are posting about because you are so bigoted you are unable to assess information.

Really? Again, perhaps you'd care to post examples of my bigotry?


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Perhaps you are an islamic extremist bigot more to the point.

Nope.  Got it wrong again, Matty.


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Its hilarious you mention Christian teachings yet you don't know what they are and when you quote them they are all gobbily gook out of context.

Really?  Where?  Please provide examples or is it merely my examples are more mainstream than yours? 


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Yes the old extremist brain wave of the islamic forums at it again, ill informed, making a fool of himslef yet again.  :D :D :D Thats our Brain Toss for you Eagerly awaits next bigot post by Brain

Whom?   ::)

You realise resorting to name calling and ad hominem argument indicates you've lost the plot, Matty?    ::)

This though, is a distraction from the topic of the thread - Christian Misogyny.

You haven't denied it existed and continues to exist within the Christian religion, Matty so I'm unsure what your problem is, except with me personally.    ::)

If you weren't just a silly troll I'd take your silly post seriously. To date you haven't contributed to any debate at all without being just a troll. Come back when you can contribute.

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:31pm:

If you weren't just a silly troll I'd take your silly post seriously. To date you haven't contributed to any debate at all without being just a troll. Come back when you can contribute.

What's wrong, Matty, unable to answer the points made or too scared to 'cause you know you're on a hiding to nothing?

So, run along now, to bed, that is if you can fit in it with all the bogeymen Muslims under it.   ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:40pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:31pm: If you weren't just a silly troll I'd take your silly post seriously. To date you haven't contributed to any debate at all without being just a troll. Come back when you can contribute. What's wrong, Matty, unable to answer the points made or too scared to 'cause you know you're on a hiding to nothing? So, run along now, to bed, that is if you can fit in it with all the bogeymen Muslims under it.   ;D

Actually you make no points hence no debate. Next time try and construct something that actually makes a point. It seems it is you who are too scared to do any research at all about the topics you post in. Some cut and paste here and there after a google and you're still babbling on. On your bike old boy no muslims under my bed bud. I bet the Jews and Christians are waiting for you under yours. Best you approach it wisely.  ;D ;D ;D

At the end of the day Brian you're just a pitiful troll. I just like making fun of the fact that's all don't get upset.

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:40pm: Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 11:31pm: If you weren't just a silly troll I'd take your silly post seriously. To date you haven't contributed to any debate at all without being just a troll. Come back when you can contribute. What's wrong, Matty, unable to answer the points made or too scared to 'cause you know you're on a hiding to nothing? So, run along now, to bed, that is if you can fit in it with all the bogeymen Muslims under it.   ;D Actually you make no points hence no debate. Next time try and construct something that actually makes a point. It seems it is you who are too scared to do any research at all about the topics you post in. Some cut and paste here and there after a google and you're still babbling on. On your bike old boy no muslims under my bed bud. I bet the Jews and Christians are waiting for you under yours. Best you approach it wisely.  ;D ;D ;D At the end of the day Brian you're just a pitiful troll. I just like making fun of the fact that's all don't get upset.

They say masturbation leads to blindness, Matty.  My recommendation is you should stop as it is damaging your vision.

Now, as you've not denied that Christianity has a 2,000 year old history of misogyny, I think your contribution really is at an end, as it seems to consist entirely of personal attacks on me which unfortunately for you, flow like water off a duck's back.   ;D

The space under my bed is empty.  No Muslims, no Jews, no Christians, no one.  I sleep sound, fearing no one 'cause I am a friend to all, except the foolish and the incompetent like yourself who couldn't find my bed with a GPS and the coordinates, let alone hide under it.  Enjoy your repose, 'cause I'll be enjoying mine.   ;D

Its not about me denying it its about you proving it, I find the argument very silly on your part hence why I don't take your argument seriously, you try and put it back on the other guy all the time when clearly you cannot support your own position. More than happy to see you prove 2000 years of Christian misogyny. The notion reminds me of that silly Julia Gillard who crashed and burned with it out of desperation. This just to me seems like desperation to try and have a go at Christians or Jews in the case of the other thread because I guess judging from your past posts Islamic abuse seems to upset you for some reason when it far out weighs everyone else combined. If your motivation was from such an ethical point of view surely you couldn't miss that little chestnut. I see a massive blind eye of you turned against the huge amount of abuse perpetrated by Islam. All you an seem to do hide from the fact and bang any other drum but that of Islam. That's how you come across no need for further abuse now.

You denying that Christianity has a history of misogyny Matty?  Amazing.  So, how do you explain all the quotes I provided from Christian philosophers and thinkers?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Your bigoted hatred of the Jews and Christians is obvious. Yet you can add both their terror tallies together and they get dwarfed by Islamic terrorism which you continually apologize for. You are just a bigot and a troll nothing more.

bump - yes, brian is an Islamic.
their thinking is "is a muslim does it, it's good."

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:03pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 10:24pm: Your bigoted hatred of the Jews and Christians is obvious. Yet you can add both their terror tallies together and they get dwarfed by Islamic terrorism which you continually apologize for. You are just a bigot and a troll nothing more. bump - yes, brian is an Islamic.

Proof, please, Sprint.  Or is this just another wild supposition on your part because I refuse to join your mob mentality with it's bigoted thinking towards Muslims?   ::)

Mattywisk wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

Its not about me denying it its about you proving it, I find the argument very silly on your part hence why I don't take your argument seriously, you try and put it back on the other guy all the time when clearly you cannot support your own position.

So, you're denying the statements made in this post, Matty?  How about the statements quoted in this post?   Do you deny that women have been oppressed and marginalised by what must be said is a very patriarchal religion over the last 2,000 years?  How many female priests/bishops/cardinals/popes in that time, Matty?   Are you perceiving a pattern there perhaps?   ::)

Since when was Christianity based around popes, mary worship, bishops and the rest of the Roman Catholic Religion Brian. Maybe you should do a little background study about the real christian doctrine before you start talking about Christianity nonsense misogyny  ;D ;D ;D . You should change your name to Julia

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

You denying that Christianity has a history of misogyny Matty?  Amazing.  So, how do you explain all the quotes I provided from Christian philosophers and thinkers?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

The equality of the sexes is a fairly recent WESTERN development, starting with the troubadours and really taking off in 19th century England - home of liberal democracy!!! (you must be shocked, Hot Bread)

Their arguments? Based on... er.... Christian ideas such as the equality of all before their creator, the human dignity of all who are created in the image of that creator. These are the grounds for ideas such as equality before the law and that flows from it.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::)

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.

If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 2:00pm: You denying that Christianity has a history of misogyny Matty?  Amazing.  So, how do you explain all the quotes I provided from Christian philosophers and thinkers?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D The equality of the sexes is a fairly recent WESTERN development, starting with the troubadours and really taking off in 19th century England - home of liberal democracy!!! (you must be shocked, Hot Bread) Their arguments? Based on... er.... Christian ideas such as the equality of all before their creator, the human dignity of all who are created in the image of that creator. These are the grounds for ideas such as equality before the law and that flows from it.

Yet that does not explain all the quotes I provided from the greatest thinkers and theologians in the Christian religion Soren.  Nor does it negate the 2,000 year long history of the religion's hatred towards and oppression of womyn.   When were the first Christian womyn ordained?  When were the first Christian womyn appointed as bishops?  When will the first Christian womyn be appointed Cardinals or Pope?  Womyn have been waiting 2,000 years for their equality to be recognised by their own religion Soren and you're just attempting to act as an obvious and unsuccessful apologist for it!    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Yet that does not explain all the quotes I provided from the greatest thinkers and theologians in the Christian religion Soren.  Nor does it negate the 2,000 year long history of the religion's hatred towards and oppression of womyn.   When were the first Christian womyn ordained?  When were the first Christian womyn appointed as bishops?  When will the first Christian womyn be appointed Cardinals or Pope?  Womyn have been waiting 2,000 years for their equality to be recognised by their own religion Soren and you're just attempting to act as an obvious and unsuccessful apologist for it!    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.  If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West. If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality. Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of. Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Where is the Female Pope?  Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests?  Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity?  Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men?

Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well.

Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn!  Stop being a Christian apologist!   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West. If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality. Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of. Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one. Where is the Female Pope?  Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests?  Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity?  Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men? Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well. Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn!  Stop being a Christian apologist!   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

The West is not a theocracy like the leading Sunni and Shia Muslim countries. What the Catholic Church as a church does has no relevance to the FACT that women in the West are equal before the law, unlike women in Islamic countries - or indeed in Muslim communities everywhere.

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 12:25pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West. If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality. Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of. Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one. Where is the Female Pope?  Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests?  Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity?  Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men? Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well. Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn!  Stop being a Christian apologist!   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D The West is not a theocracy like the leading Sunni and Shia Muslim countries. What the Catholic Church as a church does has no relevance to the FACT that women in the West are equal before the law, unlike women in Islamic countries - or indeed in Muslim communities everywhere.

The UK is a theocracy.  The Vatican is a theocracy.   Where is the Female Archbishop of Canterbury.  Where is the Female Pope?   Well?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 3:20pm: |dev|null wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 12:25pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm: So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse? Sorry, Soren that doesn't work.  Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny.  You look more foolish than usual even attempting it.    ::) ::) Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny.  Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation?   ::) TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West. If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality. Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of. Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one. Where is the Female Pope?  Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests?  Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity?  Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men? Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well. Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn!  Stop being a Christian apologist!   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D The West is not a theocracy like the leading Sunni and Shia Muslim countries. What the Catholic Church as a church does has no relevance to the FACT that women in the West are equal before the law, unlike women in Islamic countries - or indeed in Muslim communities everywhere. The UK is a theocracy.  The Vatican is a theocracy.   Where is the Female Archbishop of Canterbury.  Where is the Female Pope?   Well?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

You are an idiot if you think the UK is a theocracy. No, worse than an idiot.

Vatican? Population 800.
Countries where sharia is the basis of the relationship between the sexes? 1 billion plus.

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

You are an idiot if you think the UK is a theocracy. No, worse than an idiot.

The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren.  That is a theocracy.


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Vatican? Population 800.

Immaterial.  The Vatican's Head of State is also the Head of the Vatican's Government.  Priests control the Vatican Government, they are the Vatican Government.  That is a theocracy.  It doesn't matter how big or how small it is, it is still a theocracy.    ::)

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The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren.  That is a theocracy.

What sex in the head of state in the UK, Brian?  ;D
Looks like you shut down your socks own argument about Christian misogyny.

Stupid white ants  :D

IQSRLOW :) wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:50am:

Quote: The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren.  That is a theocracy. What sex in the head of state in the UK, Brian?  ;D

Yet, as has been noted, it took until last week to see the Ordination of female bishops in the Anglican Church, and the first female priest was only Ordained 15 years ago.  So, we have approximately 400 years for them to stop discriminating against women in their branch of Christianity, which it should note was founded by a man and has been headed more often than not during that approximately 400 years, by men.   Looks to me like the most recent HoC hasn't been trying too hard in her 50 years of rule to change matters, now does it?

However, that is just one branch of Christianity.  There are quite a few other denominations and sects, the majority of whom still teach the misogynist belief that women must obey their husbands and their church, do not ordain women and don't have women amongst their hierarchies.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

IQSRLOW :) wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:50am: Quote: The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren.  That is a theocracy. What sex in the head of state in the UK, Brian?  ;D Yet, as has been noted, it took until last week to see the Ordination of female bishops in the Anglican Church, and the first female priest was only Ordained 15 years ago.  So, we have approximately 400 years for them to stop discriminating against women in their branch of Christianity, which it should note was founded by a man and has been headed more often than not during that approximately 400 years, by men.   Looks to me like the most recent HoC hasn't been trying too hard in her 50 years of rule to change matters, now does it? However, that is just one branch of Christianity.  There are quite a few other denominations and sects, the majority of whom still teach the misogynist belief that women must obey their husbands and their church, do not ordain women and don't have women amongst their hierarchies.   ::)

Are you really trying to tell us that you see no huge differences between the rights and lives of women in the West and in Muslim countries?

Really?

Your priority is the history of Europe and not the lives of women who are honour killed, hidden in black cloth, mutilated today??

Really?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:26am:

The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren.  That is a theocracy.

That is simply idiotic, even by your standards.

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 11:48am: Yet that does not explain all the quotes I provided from the greatest thinkers and theologians in the Christian religion Soren.  Nor does it negate the 2,000 year long history of the religion's hatred towards and oppression of womyn.   When were the first Christian womyn ordained?  When were the first Christian womyn appointed as bishops?  When will the first Christian womyn be appointed Cardinals or Pope?  Womyn have been waiting 2,000 years for their equality to be recognised by their own religion Soren and you're just attempting to act as an obvious and unsuccessful apologist for it!    :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.  If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

YET, modern equal opportunities legislation does NOT apply to religious denominations/churches or orders!  So, what good is it in overturning 2,000+ years of oppression for womyn in the Christian religion?

We are NOT discussing secular society!  We ARE discussing religious society.  You appear unable to differentiate between the two!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Misogyny is a social problem which is most evident in religion - all religions.  Yet we are discussing the Christian hypocrisy and you keep trying to divert attention to the Muslim one!  Stop being an apologist for Christian hypocrisy!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Another example of typical Christian misogyny!   ;D ;D ;D >:( >:( >:( :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 2:02pm:

YET, modern equal opportunities legislation does NOT apply to religious denominations/churches or orders!  So, what good is it in overturning 2,000+ years of oppression for womyn in the Christian religion? We are NOT discussing secular society!  We ARE discussing religious society.  You appear unable to differentiate between the two!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Misogyny is a social problem which is most evident in religion - all religions.  Yet we are discussing the Christian hypocrisy and you keep trying to divert attention to the Muslim one!  Stop being an apologist for Christian hypocrisy!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

I don't know why anyone would want to have a career in organisations that discriminate against them. My suggestion is that if you're a woman in a church and the church doesn't want you having too much "authority," go get another job!!!!!

Brush the dust off your clothes and be on your way.

There are dozens of ways to do God's will outside of insular religious organisations!!!

If they think women are inferior, good for them!!! Their churches will slowly rot away as the number of parishioners attending diminishes.

Couldn't agree more but when you have attitudes like that of Christopher Pyne and the Mad Monk's in government, which belittle continually the efforts of women to seek and gain equality in our society, its not surprising that Christianity is given a "get out of jail free" card.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D