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I really is unfathomable how supposebly smart people have endangered our country. I just goes to show that our leaders aren't always doing the right thing. Some poor bugger will have his family blown to pieces at a football game while the criminals responsible will lounge back in their country estates away from the multiculturalism they've designed.

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Oh, look, it's Herbie telling us the sky is falling...again.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Oh, look, it's Herbie telling us the sky is falling...again.   ::)

Wake up brian.




ISLAM in the UK - its all good brian!               Honest!         :D


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British Jihadists, Sharia Finance and "There is No Life Without Jihad" One Month of Islam in Britain: June 2014 by Soeren Kern  •  July 15, 2014     "The guards don't run the prison, Islam does." — Tommy Robinson, upon his release from prison.     "The state is finding it harder to do its most basic duty, which is to protect the public." — UK Home Secretary Theresa May.     [another moslem, 'respecting' another woman - Yadda] The court heard how he doused his wife with gasoline and set her on fire. His defense attorney told the jurors, "He wasn't being listened to, he wasn't being obeyed."     Tablighi Jamaat -- a fundamentalist Islamic sect opposed to Western values such as democracy and equal rights, but committed to "perpetual jihad" to spread Islam around the world -- is fighting a no-holds-barred battle to build a massive mosque complex in West Ham, a neighborhood in the East London Borough of Newham.     Critics say that attracting investments from Muslim investors is spurring the gradual establishment of a parallel global financial system based on Sharia law.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4403/islam-in-britain-june

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. The distinct probability that Australia will suffer an event similar to America, Great Britain, Spain and others looms large in the not too distant future.

I guess some of the above mentioned countries also had their share of Doubting Thomas's who thought it would never happen.......and that 'the sky would never fall'.

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted.

How, exactly, will they be "confronted"?

hermoine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

I really is unfathomable how supposebly smart people have endangered our country. I just goes to show that our leaders aren't always doing the right thing. Some poor bugger will have his family blown to pieces at a football game while the criminals responsible will lounge back in their country estates away from the multiculturalism they've designed.

Absolutely correct.

You will have noticed that with clever foresight the vast majority of bombings in the West have been very careful not to harm a politician.

They have very correctly believed that as long as the political class are left alone they will continue with their migration policy for Muslims as though they pose no more threat than migrants from Sweden or Holland.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:01pm: I really is unfathomable how supposebly smart people have endangered our country. I just goes to show that our leaders aren't always doing the right thing. Some poor bugger will have his family blown to pieces at a football game while the criminals responsible will lounge back in their country estates away from the multiculturalism they've designed. Absolutely correct. You will have noticed that with clever foresight the vast majority of bombings in the West have been very careful not to harm a politician. They have very correctly believed that as long as the political class are left alone they will continue with their migration policy for Muslims as though they pose no more threat than migrants from Sweden or Holland.

SO where is liar pickerings evidence that there are 5000 aussie muslims wanting to blow up australia?

hermoine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

I really is unfathomable how supposebly smart people have endangered our country. I just goes to show that our leaders aren't always doing the right thing. Some poor bugger will have his family blown to pieces at a football game while the criminals responsible will lounge back in their country estates away from the multiculturalism they've designed.

Nearly every muslim i have met loves there footy or soccer like most other aussies, not to sure why you would think they would blow up a footy match.

wally1 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:01pm: I really is unfathomable how supposebly smart people have endangered our country. I just goes to show that our leaders aren't always doing the right thing. Some poor bugger will have his family blown to pieces at a football game while the criminals responsible will lounge back in their country estates away from the multiculturalism they've designed. Nearly every muslim i have met loves there footy or soccer like most other aussies, not to sure why you would think they would blow up a footy match.

Most Muslims love public transport but they still blew up London buses and tube trains.
Most Muslims love pizza, universities, markets but they have blown up pizza parlours, universities, markets.

Not sure why.

What do YOU think, Wally?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"?

Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever.

No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:46pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:01pm: I really is unfathomable how supposebly smart people have endangered our country. I just goes to show that our leaders aren't always doing the right thing. Some poor bugger will have his family blown to pieces at a football game while the criminals responsible will lounge back in their country estates away from the multiculturalism they've designed. Nearly every muslim i have met loves there footy or soccer like most other aussies, not to sure why you would think they would blow up a footy match. Most Muslims love public transport but they still blew up London buses and tube trains. Most Muslims love pizza, universities, markets but they have blown up pizza parlours, universities, markets. Not sure why. What do YOU think, Wally?

Pickering used a imaginary uk report and tried to model it around what he thinks aussie muslims think but I haven't come 1 Aussie Muslim who think like that.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:07pm: George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"? Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever. No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

Yep they would be the first ones to run and hide behind anyone's skirt.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:07pm: George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"? Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever. No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

They've certainly succeeded in scaring you to death.

"When you least expect it ... expect it".

Do you sleep at night?


http://www.strangehistory.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/waking-up-scared.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:07pm: George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"? Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever. No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy. They've certainly succeeded in scaring you to death. "When you least expect it ... expect it". Do you sleep at night? http://www.strangehistory.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/waking-up-scared.jpg

Not only that they scared these people to death as well. groggery.

http://www.wenublog.com/wp-content/images/Islamic%20Nigeria%20Crime.jpg

Nice to see skum like you are marching right beside them groggery where you belong.

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:07pm: George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"? Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever. No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

So, is this to be confined purely to Islamist Terrorists, Soren or is it to be applied to all Muslims?   ::)

Yadda wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Oh, look, it's Herbie telling us the sky is falling...again.   ::) Wake up brian.

I am awake to your bigotry and hatred, Yadda.  That is sufficient.   ::)

Ah the TROLL Brain Toss to another Trolls rescue as per usual. As usual Brain Toss the BIGOT and his lap dog troll Groggery have nothing constructive to contribute except trolling. It must be hard being one of  Islam's immigrant activists for them.  ;D

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. The distinct probability that Australia will suffer an event similar to America, Great Britain, Spain and others looms large in the not too distant future. I guess some of the above mentioned countries also had their share of Doubting Thomas's who thought it would never happen.......and that 'the sky would never fall'.

Why would any sane government continue a policy of inviting a particular religion of people to come settle in the UK, Australia and elsewhere who have a proven track record of producing lunatics among them who want to perform mass-murder upon the civilian population?

It doesn't make any sense except in terms of Party Politics and the competition to win elections by not 'off-siding' the 'Ethnic Vote'. Bob Carr pointed this out in the most candid of terms to Julia Gillard when he told her not to "upset the Muslims" by voting against the Palestinians in the UN Security Council. So she 'abstained'. 

A clear case of letting the tail wag the dog.

Abbott has demonstrated he has more personal integrity than a dozen previous PMs put together.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Ah the TROLL Brain Toss to another Trolls rescue as per usual. As usual Brain Toss the BIGOT and his lap dog troll Groggery have nothing constructive to contribute except trolling. It must be hard being one of  Islam's immigrant activists for them.  ;D

I don't think Greg needs much rescuing by Brian or anybody if this is the best you can do troll.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

link

No mention of Pickering, Herbie.

You're learning.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:07pm: George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"? Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever. No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy. So, is this to be confined purely to Islamist Terrorists, Soren or is it to be applied to all Muslims?   ::)

Good question.  How and where do you draw the line between the actors and their enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers?

If the terrorists didn't have so many supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators across the world, it would be a much, much smaller problem.

To my mind, Islamic terrorism is a problem Muslims should solve. But they are washing their hands of all responsibility.   The Brits and the Irish never said that Irish terrorism was somehow the world's responsibility.
Yet Islamic terrorism is sold as the world's responsibility, not the Muslims'.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:08am: Ah the TROLL Brain Toss to another Trolls rescue as per usual. As usual Brain Toss the BIGOT and his lap dog troll Groggery have nothing constructive to contribute except trolling. It must be hard being one of  Islam's immigrant activists for them.  ;D I don't think Greg needs much rescuing by Brian or anybody if this is the best you can do troll.   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

He needed you troll ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

Why would any sane government continue a policy of inviting a particular religion of people to come settle in the UK, Australia and elsewhere who have a proven track record of producing lunatics among them who want to perform mass-murder upon the civilian population?

Well not all Christians are like that. Admittedly there a few like the IRA or the people in the US government who bombed Hiroshima or villages in Afghanistan, but it is not really helpful to generalise is it?

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 8:32am: Why would any sane government continue a policy of inviting a particular religion of people to come settle in the UK, Australia and elsewhere who have a proven track record of producing lunatics among them who want to perform mass-murder upon the civilian population? Well not all Christians are like that. Admittedly there a few like the IRA or the people in the US government who bombed Hiroshima or villages in Afghanistan, but it is not really helpful to generalise is it?

Muslims are like it though.

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:03am: Soren wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:07pm: George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:46pm: Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. How, exactly, will they be "confronted"? Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then  imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever. No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy. So, is this to be confined purely to Islamist Terrorists, Soren or is it to be applied to all Muslims?   ::) Good question.  How and where do you draw the line between the actors and their enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers? If the terrorists didn't have so many supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators across the world, it would be a much, much smaller problem. To my mind, Islamic terrorism is a problem Muslims should solve. But they are washing their hands of all responsibility.   The Brits and the Irish never said that Irish terrorism was somehow the world's responsibility. Yet Islamic terrorism is sold as the world's responsibility, not the Muslims'.

You have evidence that all Muslims are "washing their hands" of this issue, Soren?

I've seen plenty of evidence of the reverse, Muslims arguing against Muslim "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators."  Arguments going on, within Mosques and communities across Australia, just not in public and not in such a way that an unsympathetic MSM reports favourably upon.

Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services?

Apostates?

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates?

An excellent answer, if you're a Takfiri graduate of the Madrassa, Soren.

In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics.

Yet, according to you, all Muslims engage in groupthink.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics.

How do you know?

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know?

Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Arguments going on, within Mosques and communities across Australia, just not in public

What are they afraid of?

1. They are afraid of retaliation from the tough eggs (aka no-brow bludgahadeen)
2. they observe the Islamic doctrine of not arguing wiv da bruvvers in front of da infidels. Plus tribalism, clannishness, Cosa Nostra, whathaveyou.
3. bit of both 1 and 2.



There are very few Muslims who are openly speaking out for a need to reform Islam. The ones that do are promptly ostracised if not killed as betrayers, Western stooges and the like. There is NO strong, FREE popular Islamic voice for reform.
Hirsi Ali was in  hiding for years and is still under protection. All others are writing and speaking incognito or under pseudonyms because the fear of evident deadly response to any criticism of Islam.

Mohammed being the 'final' prophet is what will ultimately fvckk Islam. It is Islam's 'scientific socialism, it's 'arian science' its unalterable truth which is an obviously stupid and outsized claim. It will send it to the way of the Soviets and Nazis all other super-rationalist dogmas. It is a corner that Islam has painted itself into and getting out of that corner will mean the end of Islam. This is what makes Islam brittle and it will not survive as anything but the troglodyte ideology of the world.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::)

ASIO?

Stats don't say they are slow for no reason.

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Arguments going on, within Mosques and communities across Australia, just not in public What are they afraid of? 1. They are afraid of retaliation from the tough eggs (aka no-brow bludgahadeen) 2. they observe the Islamic doctrine of not arguing wiv da bruvvers in front of da infidels. Plus tribalism, clannishness, Cosa Nostra, whathaveyou. 3. bit of both 1 and 2.

4. Perhaps they believe they won't get a fair deal from an MSM which is dedicated to sensationalise anything to do with Muslims and portray all Muslims in the worse possible light to help shore up your Islamophobia?


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There are very few Muslims who are openly speaking out for a need to reform Islam. The ones that do are promptly ostracised if not killed as betrayers, Western stooges and the like. There is NO strong, FREE popular Islamic voice for reform.

Really?  What about this man?  He's sadly departed now but the organisation he headed, still strongly favours modernisation and preaches it.

http://www.nrc.nl/wereld/files/2009/03/090318-blog-gus-dur2.jpg

Then we have this man and his organisation, which preaches modernism for Islam:

http://mistakesofanwaribrahim.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/anwar_ibrahim.jpg

Of course, being in only the most populous Islamic nation and the most modern Islamic nations respectively, they wouldn't be on your radar, now would they, Soren, centred as it is on Middle-Eastern Islam, like all good Madrassa graduates.   ::)


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Hirsi Ali was in  hiding for years and is still under protection. All others are writing and speaking incognito or under pseudonyms because the fear of evident deadly response to any criticism of Islam.

Yet Gus Dur and Anwar Ibrahim are not in hiding, now are they, Soren.

Perhaps it's the nature of the criticism - whether it's constructive or destructive in nature?


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Mohammed being the 'final' prophet is what will ultimately fvckk Islam. It is Islam's 'scientific socialism, it's 'arian science' its unalterable truth which is an obviously stupid and outsized claim. It will send it to the way of the Soviets and Nazis all other super-rationalist dogmas. It is a corner that Islam has painted itself into and getting out of that corner will mean the end of Islam. This is what makes Islam brittle and it will not survive as anything but the troglodyte ideology of the world.

You know, Christianity maintained the same beliefs but about Jesus Christ and how the Bible was divinely inspired, Soren.  However, the modern demands of the world overcame them.  You seem rather uncharitable in not believing the Islamic world could not experience it's own renaissance and enlightenment.   ::)

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO?

Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::)

Their surveillance devices (audio & visual).

Their trained field operatives.

A.S.I.O. wouldn't just sit by the phone, waiting for some informant to ring in.

I am loving the way islam, muslims and their  sniveling subservient sycophants, who continually apologizes for and excuses islamic barbarity, are sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire of: depraved human rights atrocities (on the muslims part), weak gutless lies and self hatred (on the part of the muslims bootlicking toady & apologists)

The wheel is turning.

moses wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 6:55am:

Their surveillance devices (audio & visual). Their trained field operatives. A.S.I.O. wouldn't just sit by the phone, waiting for some informant to ring in.

Funnily enough, they often do, Moses.   Their "trained field operatives" often need to recruit local informants, particularly in a relatively closed-knit community like the Muslim one, where most people know one another.   It is their only way to actually penetrate what is occurring.  This is counter-intelligence operations 101, which you can pick up reading any of the better histories of MI5/FBI/ASIO.

[Usual diatribe against Muslims deleted because it serves no value]

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:43pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO? Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::)

Their undercover agents and their eveasdropping/surveillence regime.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

Yet Gus Dur and Anwar Ibrahim are not in hiding, now are they, Soren. Perhaps it's the nature of the criticism - whether it's constructive or destructive in nature?

There are countless islamic reformers who are not hiding - quite the opposite.

Including this guy - a leading peace activist in India for many decades, now in his 90s and still going strong:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Maulanawahiduddin.jpg/220px-Maulanawahiduddin.jpg


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Maulana Wahiduddin Khan (born January 1, 1925) is a noted Islamic scholar and peace activist.[1] He has received, among others, the Demiurgus Peace International Award, under the patronage of the former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev; the Padma Bhushan,[2] India's third highest civilian honour; the National Citizen’s Award, presented by Mother Teresa and the Rajiv Gandhi National Sadbhavana Award (2009).[3] He has translated the Quran in simple and contemporary English and wrote a commentary on the Quran|[4] and gives lectures on ETV Urdu, Zee Salaam, Bridges TV, ITV, ARY Digital, QTV, Aaj TV, etc

[quote]Maulana Wahiduddin Khan is a noted Islamic Scholar in India and has published several books. His advice to Muslims has been to not treat unpleasant or unwanted situations as problems as this would only yield negative results. That is, one must not try to eliminate them or lodge complaints or protests against them. In fact, one should take such situations as challenges, and positively work towards overcoming them.[/quote]

I wonder how he feels about Salman Rushdie?

hermoine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

I wonder how he feels about Salman Rushdie?

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What about stereotyping of Muslims as terrorist in media and film industry? Muslims are themselves to blame for it. Because Muslims always reacted negatively. For example, when Salman Rushdie published his book, Satanic Verses, all Muslims cried “Kill the author, Kill the author. That is terrorism. How can you say to kill the author, you have no right. Only judicial system has right to issue a verdict. Who are you to do that? You cannot take law in your hand. So when they called to kill the author, according to modern norms it is an act of terrorism. Muslims always try to kill people, sometimes they get success and sometimes not. For example in Pakistan, they have killed so many people without judicial verdict. That is terrorism. According to my definition, terrorism is use of arms by any agency other than state. You have no right to say kill Rushdie. You can publish another book, you can take the case to court. How can you say to kill this or that man?

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/ignore-rushdie-vishwaroopam-focus-on-education-wahiduddin-khan/


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Violent protests against Danish cartoonist (Kurt Westergaard) and Salman Rushdie for their anti-Islamic views were a waste of energy. If someone writes against the Prophet Muhammad, we should have sound knowledge to dislodge his propaganda and prove him wrong. We should be well-equipped with logic and reasons to counter unscrupulous elements who want to create confusion with regard to Islam. Those who embraced Islam in early ages were the opponents of Prophet Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad never expressed anger against them or awarded any kind of punishment. Exhibiting high moral and character, Prophet Muhammad converted his enemies into loyalists and trusted friends.

http://khabarsouthasia.com/en_GB/articles/apwi/articles/features/2013/05/01/feature-01

Prophet Muhammad never expressed anger against them or awarded any kind of punishment.
;D ;D

You have to shake your head at the stupidity of muslims and their apologists all right.

gandalf wrote:
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Those who embraced Islam in early ages were the opponents of Prophet Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad never expressed anger against them or awarded any kind of punishment. Exhibiting high moral and character, Prophet Muhammad converted his enemies into loyalists and trusted friends.

What a load lies.

Do you expect people to believe you?

The qur'an is riddled with commands to rape, torture and kill people who opposed islam and muhammad.

muslims and their fawning apologists = lies, lies and more lies 

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:36am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:43pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO? Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::) Their undercover agents and their eveasdropping/surveillence regime.

So, absolutely no input from informers then?  Really?   ::) ::)

hermoine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Prophet Muhammad never expressed anger against them or awarded any kind of punishment.

Give credit where credit's due - you asked what his opinion was about the Rushdie episode, no doubt assuming that it was along the lines of "garr - kill the infidel".

And once again we see the absurdity of the anti-islam crowd: you demand that muslims stand up and criticise intolerance and extremism amongst muslims - and yet when they do, you laugh them off as ignorant of islamic doctrine.

Give credit where credit's due - islam is not going away, the  best you can hope for is for it to reform. And that is never going to happen whilst the reformers are continually ridiculed and marginalised.

moses wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

The qur'an is riddled with commands to rape

Not to mention outright lies.

Moses, quote me the exact verses that command the rape of people who oppose islam.

I'm not going to let you get away with this one. And then maybe, just maybe, you will start to learn that the root of this conflict comes down to the propagation of bald faced lies.

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moses wrote:The qur'an is riddled with commands to rape, torture and kill people who opposed islam

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gandalf wrote: Not to mention outright lies. Moses, quote me the exact verses that command the rape of people who oppose islam. I'm not going to let you get away with this one. And then maybe, just maybe, you will start to learn that the root of this conflict comes down to the propagation of bald faced lies.

Playing on semantics gandalf to try and excuse the perversions of islam?

The qur'an instructs, condones and urges rape, torture and murder, as atrocities against hummanity.

I lump all verses which give permission to, or clearly instruct muslims to commit an atrocity as a command, for the sake of the argument.

The verse which unequivocally gives permission to rape a woman is:


qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [now here is the permission gandalf] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.”

So according to islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an you can force a girl into whoredom, forcing a girl into prostitution is rape gandalf

Playing semantics about whether the girl was opposed to islam, or was it a command or approval to commit rape, will never detract from the fact islam is a cult which urges rape, torture and murder of their fellow man, as sanctioned doctrinal deeds for muslims. 

moses wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

[now here is the permission gandalf] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.” So according to islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an you can force a girl into whoredom, forcing a girl into prostitution is rape gandalf

Now just plain stupidity.

24:33 from Sahih International:

"And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful."

Clearly, the forgiveness and mercy is for the poor girl who was forced into prostitution.

Your interpretation is not just wrong, it is plain stupid. What you are saying is that in two sentences, the quran directly contradicts itself: by saying that forcing slave girls into prostitution is forbidden - and then reversing that very clear command in the very next sentence.

There is no "command to rape" - in any context.

Gandalf, Australians are waking up. Numbers of islamic immigrants are on the decrease. No, islam is not going away, it's just going to be a smaller and smaller influence in this country. This is the only way to keep the radical element in check; either forbid islamic immigration or keep the islamic population at a very manageable/observable minimum.

hermoine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Gandalf, Australians are waking up.

'waking up' - as in falling for the lies about the quran and apologising for bigotry against islam?

And, sorry to burst your bubble, but a fresh wave of immigrants from Syria/Lebanon and Afghanistan is on its way.

Apologizing for bigotry against islam. Are you for real? Muslims perpetrate acts of murder and discord wherever they go. Really looking at muslim immigration is the logical reaction to a group of people who cause more problems internationally than they're worth. Of course, a person can think about that or just come up with a whole bunch of pc buzz words like bigot, hater, racist, islamophobe etc. Whichever's more covenient, I suppose.

Hermoine is another of Matty's Sock Puppets, Gandalf.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 2:27pm: Gandalf, Australians are waking up. 'waking up' - as in falling for the lies about the quran and apologising for bigotry against islam? And, sorry to burst your bubble, but a fresh wave of immigrants from Syria/Lebanon and Afghanistan is on its way.

The only place they'll be going to is Manus Island.

Thanks, I forgot all about sock puppet

gandalf wrote:
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Now just plain stupidity. 24:33 from Sahih International: "And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful." Clearly, the forgiveness and mercy is for the poor girl who was forced into prostitution. Your interpretation is not just wrong, it is plain stupid. What you are saying is that in two sentences, the quran directly contradicts itself: by saying that forcing slave girls into prostitution is forbidden - and then reversing that very clear command in the very next sentence. There is no "command to rape" - in any context.

You are being very deceitful gandalf.

Well contradictions are part and parcel of the qur'an, however:

Rape of girls is not forbidden as you say.

24.33:Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. This first part of the verse is merely suggesting not to force girls into prostitution. There is absolutely no intimation of any kind, that rape is banned or forbidden in this first part. 

The second part then says:

And if one force them, then after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful

If the first part was meant to ban or forbid rape, why does the second part give absolution and permission, by saying in effect: oh well if you do rape them allah is forgiving and merciful?

Tell me something, what is wrong with muslim mentality that you think an innocent girl who was forcefully raped, need forgiveness?

Nothing you say makes any logical sense gandalf.

There are innumerable verses which directly urge torture and murder of your fellow man, this verse which condones and sets the scene for rape to occur, fits in perfectly well with all the other verses advocating muslims have the doctrinal permission, to commit human rights atrocities of the most unspeakable kind, against their fellow man.

Why do you hide from the truth gandalf.

If you are fair dinkum about some sort of reform in islam, the very first step is to confront the evil in your theological writings, this verse is one of many malevolent evil verses in your doctrine.

You're only kidding yourself and your bootlicking flunkies the apologists.

What a strange interpretation of that verse, Moses.  Very Takfiri of you.  Which Madrassa did you graduate from again?

You mentioned "innumerable verses", plural before.  Thus far you've only quoted one and it appears deliberately misconstrued that one to suit your agenda.  Where are the others?   ::)

You've also suggested that, "the very first step is to confront the evil in your theological writings,"  why though, have you shrunk from doing the same in your own religion's theological writings, Moses?  Mmmm?    ::)

Yes Brian we all know islam is the paradigm of peace, tolerance and spiritual divinity. 

It's one of the great mysteries of life, why muslims are what they are today, isn't it?

Got nothing to do with islam, allah, muhammad, or the qur'an has it?

I know, it's a plot by the Joos, Christians and the west, to keep muslims at the bottom of the pack, you just keep on licking muslim boots and excuse their atrocities, the world will get your message one day.

moses wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

Yes Brian we all know islam is the paradigm of peace, tolerance and spiritual divinity.

Do we?  I don't.   Islam is like all religions, only as good as it's believers and like all religions there are good, bad and indifferents amongst it's believers, Moses.  I've never claimed it is "the paradigm of peace, tolerance and spiritual divinity."  You should attempt to erect a strawman argument, Moses.  It doesn't work.

[usual diatribe against Muslims deleted as being pointless]

So, where are these "innumerable verses", Moses?  Well?   ::)

The concern for us should be how muslims behave when they emmigrate. Few would argue, accept gooey-eyed idealogues llike Brian.

hermoine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

The concern for us should be how muslims behave when they emmigrate. Few would argue, accept gooey-eyed idealogues llike Brian.

Funnily enough, I agree with you, Matty/Madhi/Hermoine

I believe Muslims should be judged by what they do, after the immigrate (btw your misspelling of the word rather betrays you as being Matty/Madhi) not because they are Muslims.  Do you think that's a fair thing?   ::)

hermoine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

... accept gooey-eyed idealogues llike Brian.

OK.  I accept him.


http://blog.losingcontrolfindingserenity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/208001531_7ptQEuND_c.jpg

I don't care how they carry on in their own f.u.c.k.e.d up countries, Bwian.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:43pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO? Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::) Their undercover agents and their eveasdropping/surveillence regime. So, absolutely no input from informers then?  Really?   ::) ::)

ASIO informers, like I said.

Mahhhmoud is not going to ring ASIO about Ahhhhmed. Dobbing in Muslims to the Kuffar is a big no-no for Muslims. That's why you will NEVER get a Muslim on these boards to condemn another Muslim in unequivocal terms. It's against their creed.
Didn't you know? (Like all the other things you don't)

hermoine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

I don't care how they carry on in their own f.u.c.k.e.d up countries, Bwian.

Ever thought that they come here to escape that as well?   ::)

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:43pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO? Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::) Their undercover agents and their eveasdropping/surveillence regime. So, absolutely no input from informers then?  Really?   ::) ::) ASIO informers, like I said.

I'm sorry, where did you say that, Soren?  I can't see it.


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Mahhhmoud is not going to ring ASIO about Ahhhhmed. Dobbing in Muslims to the Kuffar is a big no-no for Muslims. That's why you will NEVER get a Muslim on these boards to condemn another Muslim in unequivocal terms. It's against their creed. Didn't you know? (Like all the other things you don't)

Now, the question is, who are the informers?  Muslims perhaps?  If so, why would they inform on their fellow co-religionists if they are, as you claim, being good Muslims and plotting Terrorist acts against infidels and no Muslims will ever inform or condemn what other Muslims do?   ::)

You really aren't very good with logic, are you, Soren?   ::)

Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:43pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO? Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::) Their undercover agents and their eveasdropping/surveillence regime. So, absolutely no input from informers then?  Really?   ::) ::) ASIO informers, like I said. I'm sorry, where did you say that, Soren?  I can't see it. Quote: Mahhhmoud is not going to ring ASIO about Ahhhhmed. Dobbing in Muslims to the Kuffar is a big no-no for Muslims. That's why you will NEVER get a Muslim on these boards to condemn another Muslim in unequivocal terms. It's against their creed. Didn't you know? (Like all the other things you don't) Now, the question is, who are the informers?  Muslims perhaps?  If so, why would they inform on their fellow co-religionists if they are, as you claim, being good Muslims and plotting Terrorist acts against infidels and no Muslims will ever inform or condemn what other Muslims do?   ::) You really aren't very good with logic, are you, Soren?   ::)

Apostates.
Told ya already.

hermoine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:44am:

Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here?

Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys.

Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh?

The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney.

Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously.

One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came.

Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for.

Civilization and its malcontents, innit.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit.

That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is.

If only everyone went along quietly with the promotion and spread of Islamic ideology.

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is..

How do you propose to oppose it, dear chap?

Put an "I like Danish" line under your name, or should we be a little bit firmer?

Please explain.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is.. How do you propose to oppose it, dear chap? Put an "I like Danish" line under your name, or should we be a little bit firmer? Please explain.

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! don't mention islam... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:44pm: ... accept gooey-eyed idealogues llike Brian. OK.  I accept him. http://blog.losingcontrolfindingserenity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/208001531_7ptQEuND_c.jpg

Ooohhhh, isn't that sweet?  Brian must be happy now.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

hermoine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:44am:

Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here?

Are they?  Matty, the majority are very law abiding and just want to live in peace.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

hermoine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is.. How do you propose to oppose it, dear chap? Put an "I like Danish" line under your name, or should we be a little bit firmer? Please explain. SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! don't mention islam... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Islam? But Hermoine, the old boy brought up Danish.

No one would mention it if the old boy didn’t mention the superiority of the Hun every time he wants to make a cheese sale.

Of course, this is just a cover. The old boy only brings up Islam to assert the inferiority of the tinted races. Correlation not causation, innit.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is.. How do you propose to oppose it, dear chap? Put an "I like Danish" line under your name, or should we be a little bit firmer? Please explain. SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! don't mention islam... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Islam? But Hermoine, the old boy brought up Danish. No one would mention it if the old boy didn’t mention the superiority of the Hun every time he wants to make a cheese sale. Of course, this is just a cover. The old boy only brings up Islam to assert the inferiority of the tinted races. Correlation not causation, innit.

That might be his motivation. It sure aint mine. I don't look down on muslim races but rather their s h I tty religion. If it was about race the Buddhists would be copping it.

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is. If only everyone went along quietly with the promotion and spread of Islamic ideology.

Knocking on your door on a Sunday morning, are they, Sore end?

hermoine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:15pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:11pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is.. How do you propose to oppose it, dear chap? Put an "I like Danish" line under your name, or should we be a little bit firmer? Please explain. SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! don't mention islam... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Islam? But Hermoine, the old boy brought up Danish. No one would mention it if the old boy didn’t mention the superiority of the Hun every time he wants to make a cheese sale. Of course, this is just a cover. The old boy only brings up Islam to assert the inferiority of the tinted races. Correlation not causation, innit. That might be his motivation. It sure aint mine. I don't look down on muslim races but rather their s h I tty religion. If it was about race the Buddhists would be copping it.

Best we don’t mention the Buddhists either, dear. The old boy is adverse to any and every other religion to his self-professed atheist Lutheranism.

We wouldn’t want to offend him, after all.

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Beyond last week’s stories about leaked letters and statements from the ministers’ supporters is a profoundly serious argument about what must be done in order to ensure that Muslim communities in Britain adopt British values, and are integrated into British society.

It is not just an argument about how to prevent terrorism inspired by religious fanaticism. It is also about the future of our culture, and how to ensure that it does not fragment into a series of segregated and separate groups united only by their mutual suspicion and distrust.

That is the nightmare scenario that just about everyone wants to avoid. It is one conjured up as a serious possibility not just by political parties such as Ukip and pressure groups such as Migration Watch, but also by academic researchers who study the impact of immigration. "

"MI5’s scarce resources had to be targeted at individuals and movements that were a direct threat to Britain. The consensus at the time was that Muslim extremists were not in that category.

The French security services derided that policy as criminally short-sighted and coined the term “Londonistan”, suggesting that the effect of that policy was to turn London into a haven for Islamic and other terrorists who would, sooner or later, strike against Britain. "

"Sir Paul Collier, a professor of development economics at Oxford University, has produced a model that shows that it inevitably becomes a self-reinforcing process: each diaspora community gets ever more entrenched in reproducing the values of the society from which the migrants to it come, which in turn attracts more migrants from that society to it, which then ensures that it is less integrated with the host society – and more attractive to the immigrants from the traditional society in Pakistan, India or wherever. "

"African-Caribbeans and Asians is markedly higher than the degree of segregation between whites and African-Caribbeans. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. Immigrant communities are getting more isolated, less integrated and more locked into their own traditional values. "

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Thats what lassez faire multiculturalism gets you old man.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:31pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:44am: Now read VERY carefully Brian. If they came to Australia to avoid tbe turmoil of thejr homelands, why are they trying to recreate them here? Good question, dear. Take Herbie - he emmigrated to Australia in the 1960s as a neo-Nazi. He came with orders to cause as much chaos as possible to lay down the setting for the foundation of the Fourth Reich - a sort of global caliphate for old boys. Well, one thing led to another and nothing happened. The cold war ended. I guess people just move on, eh? The old boy, of course, is still active in the struggle. He came out in the 80s or 90s - it should be in the ASIO file. His cover was a harmless cheese-dealer. The Freudian stuff came later,  through training in psychological warfare at the prestigious University of Balogney. Where there was ego, there shall id be - it’s a motto to inspire the propagation of mass psychosis, a task the old boy takes most seriously. One Pom, one Hun. But those two  have been trying to recreate the old country here since they came. Herbie now realises it won’t happen in his lifetime,  but the old boy refuses to give up.  The quicker we enter a state of civil war, the happier they’ll be. After all, it’s what they came out here for. Civilization and its malcontents, innit. That's right, PB, Islamic terrorism is not the problem - opposing it is.. How do you propose to oppose it, dear chap? Put an "I like Danish" line under your name, or should we be a little bit firmer? Please explain.

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Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:57pm: Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Soren wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:36am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 7:43pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 8:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:53pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 7:22pm: Soren wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 12:11pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren.  Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates? In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics. How do you know? Who else could it be, Soren?   Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing?   ::) ASIO? Being deliberately obtuse, Soren?   OK, I'll play your game and lead you along the road to enlightenment.   Who tells ASIO?  ::) Their undercover agents and their eveasdropping/surveillence regime. So, absolutely no input from informers then?  Really?   ::) ::) ASIO informers, like I said. I'm sorry, where did you say that, Soren?  I can't see it. Quote: Mahhhmoud is not going to ring ASIO about Ahhhhmed. Dobbing in Muslims to the Kuffar is a big no-no for Muslims. That's why you will NEVER get a Muslim on these boards to condemn another Muslim in unequivocal terms. It's against their creed. Didn't you know? (Like all the other things you don't) Now, the question is, who are the informers?  Muslims perhaps?  If so, why would they inform on their fellow co-religionists if they are, as you claim, being good Muslims and plotting Terrorist acts against infidels and no Muslims will ever inform or condemn what other Muslims do?   ::) You really aren't very good with logic, are you, Soren?   ::) Apostates. Told ya already.

Circular reasoning, Soren?   ::)

So, you believe they are apostates?  Where did you get that conclusion from?  Your Madrassa teachers?   ::)

No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar.
Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar.

SO either the bearded monsters are apostates or the dobbers are. They can't both be true to Mohammed Muslims.

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar.

Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm: No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar. Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::)

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Yes. This is what they teach in all the Madrassas.

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm: No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar. Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::)

Yes. This is what they teach in all the Madrassas.
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Interesting that you admit you know what they teach at the Madrassa, Soren...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 12:02am:

Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm: No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar. Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::) Yes. This is what they teach in all the Madrassas.

Interesting that you admit you know what they teach at the Madrassa, Soren...   ::)
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Thank you for admitting you are an idiot.
Not that we needed your admission. Still, it's nice to have consensus. With supporters like you, the jihadi boys are truly fookid.

Soren wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:02am: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm: No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar. Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::) Yes. This is what they teach in all the Madrassas. Interesting that you admit you know what they teach at the Madrassa, Soren...   ::)

Thank you for admitting you are an idiot.
Not that we needed your admission. Still, it's nice to have consensus. With supporters like you, the jihadi boys are truly fookid.
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You have evidence I have ever posted anything which supports Jihad, Soren?   ::)

Clutching at straws, reflexive postings, circular logic, appears to me you're the one who's having trouble...

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 12:07am:

Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:02am: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm: No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar. Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::) Yes. This is what they teach in all the Madrassas. Interesting that you admit you know what they teach at the Madrassa, Soren...   ::) Thank you for admitting you are an idiot. Not that we needed your admission. Still, it's nice to have consensus. With supporters like you, the jihadi boys are truly fookid.

You have evidence I have ever posted anything which supports Jihad, Soren?   ::)

Clutching at straws, reflexive postings, circular logic, appears to me you're the one who's having trouble...
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Every post you make is a jihadi post, Brain. You are a jihadi. You are Jihad, Brain.

Soren wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 12:11am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 27th, 2014 at 12:07am: Soren wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 11:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:02am: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:13pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:01pm: Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:51pm: No true Muslim will dob in another true Muslim to the kuffar. Only apostates dob in Muslims to the Kuffar. Takfiri logic, Soren.  Again, something you learnt at the Madrassa?   ::) Yes. This is what they teach in all the Madrassas. Interesting that you admit you know what they teach at the Madrassa, Soren...   ::) Thank you for admitting you are an idiot. Not that we needed your admission. Still, it's nice to have consensus. With supporters like you, the jihadi boys are truly fookid. You have evidence I have ever posted anything which supports Jihad, Soren?   ::) Clutching at straws, reflexive postings, circular logic, appears to me you're the one who's having trouble...

Every post you make is a jihadi post, Brain. You are a jihadi. You are Jihad, Brain.
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Really?  You are clutching at straws, now aren't you, Soren?   ::)