It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage.

i call everyone mate and i have never had a homosexual urge in my life.

i suspect this is true of about 90% of suburban males.

i cant speak for inner city trendies and green voters

aquascoot wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

i call everyone mate and i have never had a homosexual urge in my life. i suspect this is true of about 90% of suburban males. i cant speak for inner city trendies and green voters

Ignore the troll.

Laugh till you cry is just a sad racist troll - just an empty head with a smart mouth and a racist agenda.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:38pm: i call everyone mate and i have never had a homosexual urge in my life. i suspect this is true of about 90% of suburban males. i cant speak for inner city trendies and green voters Ignore the troll. Laugh till you cry is just a sad racist troll - just an empty head with a smart mouth and a racist agenda.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".  Olde Saulte has become very defensive about this issue.

http://www.illawarraqinfo.com/page17.htm

"... CONVICTS AND COLONIES
Australia did not attract serious attention from Britain until it lost the American War Of Independence in 1783.

Between the years 1680 and 1780, the population of England doubled, with the Industrial Revolution bringing hordes of people into its cities. With no social security, the resulting slums and urban poverty led to an epidemic of crime. By 1770, over 200 separate offences had been made eligible for the death penalty.

Transportation of convicts to America for use as indentured labour was believed a more humane alternative to the problem and a solution to clearing the nation's overcrowded jails.

Following Captain James Cook's claiming of Australia as a British possession, the decision was made to direct the flow of convicts Down Under through the establishment of a colony in New South Wales.

The First Fleet arrived at Port Jackson to found what would become Sydney in 1788, and a second settlement on the southern island of Tasmania was established in 1803 - reserved for repeat offenders and the worst criminals.

From the early 18th Century, the United Kingdom developed its own distinct underground gay subculture, with men gathering secretly in so-called "Molly houses" - illegal bars and taverns that were the precursors of modern gay bars.

Molly culture was closely associated with cross-dressing and drag, and rather than seeking out 'rough trade', most Mollies seemed to have preferred other effeminate men as partners. Of course, when civil society found out about the existence of the Molly houses, they were outraged, and a vigorous police crackdown ensued.

When Mollies were arrested and thrown into London's floating prison hulks, they would have encountered an entirely darker kind of male-to-male sexuality - prison rape and sex traded for protection and favours.

During the First and Second Fleet, little effort was made to segregate the young and vulnerable from the older men, and with prisoners sleeping six to each tiny cell, it's not hard to imagine what must have gone on. Later fleets corrected this problem - placing the younger men and teens in separated lodging.

The term Molly has been found in early accounts from the colony while others commented on the unseemliness of a certain class of convict - young men who gave themselves feminine nicknames and wore their hair in women's styles. With only 189 women convicts amongst the 1,373 British to land at Port Jackson, both would have found themselves in considerable demand - and this gender imbalance would not be corrected for many decades.

Lesbianism among female convicts, kept mostly segregated from the males, is also recorded, but was viewed simply as a curiosity - girl-on-girl action not being viewed as real sex at the time.

These early days of the colony seem to have included a fairly lax attitude to male homosexuality. Although it's first governor, Arthur Phillip, stated the only two offences deserving death were murder and sodomy, the first trial for such a crime did not occur until 1796 and that penalty was not prescribed. Phillip even went so far as to say that sodomites should be given to cannibals to be eaten, writing, "I would wish to confine the criminal until an opportunity offered of delivering him to the natives of New Zealand, and let them eat him. The dread of this will operate much stronger than the fear of death."

Despite this, the first recorded execution for a homosexual act did not occur until 1828, when Alexander Brown, chief officer on the whaling ship Royal Sovereign, and crewmember Richard Lister were ordered to hang by the neck by a Sydney court. Lister was given a last minute reprieve and deported from the colony, but Brown did not fair so well.

Gay convicts lucky enough to be sent to Norfolk Island (an otherwise notoriously harsh and remote penal settlement) during the rule of the prison reformer Alexander Maconochie, led a much different life. On an island known for its food shortages and harsh punishments, Maconochie instituted a regime based on reward and tolerance rather than cruelty.

According to Robert Stuart, a magistrate who visited the island during Maconochie's rule, it was common for convicts to live together as couples - referring to each other as "husband and wife", and there may have been well over 100 such pairs on the island at any one time. Stuart observed, "These parties manifest as much eagerness for the society of each other as members of the opposite sex." Under Maconochie, convicts caught having sex still faced flogging but, compared to the rest of the British Empire, the punishment was mild.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

i call everyone mate and i have never had a homosexual urge in my life.

Hmmm.

How about a homosexual experience?  Ever had one of those (so to speak)?

[quote author=Laugh_till_you_cry link=1405413144/3#3 date=1405472065]
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".  Olde Saulte has become very defensive about this issue.

http://www.illawarraqinfo.com/page17.htm

;D Ah, you're an idiot without cred and a racist troll. ;D

Fancy quoting a gay site as a reference - credibility, zero. ;D

If you won't such a sad excuse for a human it would be amusing.

Been on the retard pills again LTYC.... :-?

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Been on the retard pills again LTYC.... :-?

No darling. My pusher told me FriYay had bought up all the stocks.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

[quote author=Laugh_till_you_cry link=1405413144/3#3 date=1405472065] "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".  Olde Saulte has become very defensive about this issue. http://www.illawarraqinfo.com/page17.htm ;D Ah, you're an idiot without cred and a racist troll. ;D Fancy quoting a gay site as a reference - credibility, zero. ;D If you won't such a sad excuse for a human it would be amusing.

Only gifting you what tickles your fancy.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage.

There probably was a bit of homosexual conduct going on in the early days, but what you have to ask yourself is was it from natural inclination or was it mainly because for many of them, their first choice (a woman) was not readily available.

I think the latter, myself.
Remember though, there were also some female convicts sent out, then by the 1850s you had the gold rush era with a lot of free settlers rushing over, with their families, so the gender balance evened up.

You also need to remember that at present, something like 25% of people living in this country were actually born overseas.
So the early settlement times and people have long gone. Long, long gone.

What was your point exactly? That nothing has changed since 1788??? ;D

sherri wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:03am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:32pm: It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage. There probably was a bit of homosexual conduct going on in the early days, but what you have to ask yourself is was it from natural inclination or was it mainly because for many of them, their first choice (a woman) was not readily available. I think the latter, myself. Remember though, there were also some female convicts sent out, then by the 1850s you had the gold rush era with a lot of free settlers rushing over, with their families, so the gender balance evened up. You also need to remember that at present, something like 25% of people living in this country were actually born overseas. So the early settlement times and people have long gone. Long, long gone. What was your point exactly? That nothing has changed since 1788??? ;D

Let Billy Bob Thornton explain the situation. In Australia I have witnessed homosexuals in the workplace frequently. Not so in other countries where I have spent 30% of my working life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKVVkiMIkM0#t=88

aquascoot wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

i call everyone mate and i have never had a homosexual urge in my life. i suspect this is true of about 90% of suburban males.

Interesting statistic.  You've obviously been surveying men about their homosexual urges.  Hmmm  :-/

How come all the homophobes in this forum spend so much time thinking about homosexuals and what they get up to in the privacy of their own homes?


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'latent' homosexual?  Oh - you mean that silly made up idea that anyone who actively opposed homosexuality was a homosexual in disguise?

Sort of a poof in sheep's clothing?

"Ooooh, Harold... Percival.. I so LOVE the feel of that fleece.. oooh!  Could I just slip into it some time?  Oooooh!  Such a RAM of a man!""

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Let Billy Bob Thornton explain the situation. In Australia I have witnessed homosexuals in the workplace frequently. Not so in other countries where I have spent 30% of my working life.

Oh well it must be true.  ::) :D

Are you in the Merchant Marine or an Air Hostess. ;D.

I've been working for 40 years in a wide range of positions and locations and have never come across homosexual activity in the work place.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 11:48pm:

'latent' homosexual?  Oh - you mean that silly made up idea that anyone who actively opposed homosexuality was a homosexual in disguise? Sort of a poof in sheep's clothing? "Ooooh, Harold... Percival.. I so LOVE the feel of that fleece.. oooh!  Could I just slip into it some time?  Oooooh!  Such a RAM of a man!""

Actually, many years ago when I worked at BHP, the guys who kept going on about how much they hated gays used to screw each other silly - as well as the occasional young apprentice who found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not talking about just a couple of guys, but a bucket of them - more than a dozen.

So I'm wary of anybody that goes on about it. Dunno why anybody would. It's not like people go on and on about other sexual practices that some people get up to.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:38am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:43pm: Let Billy Bob Thornton explain the situation. In Australia I have witnessed homosexuals in the workplace frequently. Not so in other countries where I have spent 30% of my working life. Oh well it must be true.  ::) :D Are you in the Merchant Marine or an Air Hostess. ;D. I've been working for 40 years in a wide range of positions and locations and have never come across homosexual activity in the work place.

I wonder if the excessive baggage and the closet strapped to your back detracted from your desirability?

Were you a model in a photo series for a book depicting Karma Sutra positions for homosexuals?

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:38am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 17th, 2014 at 1:43pm: Let Billy Bob Thornton explain the situation. In Australia I have witnessed homosexuals in the workplace frequently. Not so in other countries where I have spent 30% of my working life. Oh well it must be true.  ::) :D Are you in the Merchant Marine or an Air Hostess. ;D. I've been working for 40 years in a wide range of positions and locations and have never come across homosexual activity in the work place.

Cumming across homosexual activity in the workplace?

Kinky!

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

I wonder if the excessive baggage and the closet strapped to your back detracted from your desirability? Were you a model in a photo series for a book depicting Karma Sutra positions for homosexuals?

You are a juvenile troll and idiot with nothing worth paying attention to. :D

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 1:52pm: I wonder if the excessive baggage and the closet strapped to your back detracted from your desirability? Were you a model in a photo series for a book depicting Karma Sutra positions for homosexuals? You are a juvenile troll and idiot with nothing worth paying attention to. :D

Can you step out of your closet and repeat that?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage.

It might be time you read the book '1788' by David Hill.

The shagging on the boats coming out here between the blokes and the girls was epic. It's surprising the boats didn't fall apart.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 3:13pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 1:52pm: I wonder if the excessive baggage and the closet strapped to your back detracted from your desirability? Were you a model in a photo series for a book depicting Karma Sutra positions for homosexuals? You are a juvenile troll and idiot with nothing worth paying attention to. :D Can you step out of your closet and repeat that?

I'm not in a closet of any kind.

But I'll repeat my self in the forlorn hope you will heed me and seek the psychiatric help you so obviously and desperately need. You are a juvenile troll and idiot with nothing worth paying attention to.  :D

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:32pm: It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage. It might be time you read the book '1788' by David Hill. The shagging on the boats coming out here between the blokes and the girls was epic. It's surprising the boats didn't fall apart.

I expect they were held together by all the seamen.


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Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:32pm: It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage. It might be time you read the book '1788' by David Hill. The shagging on the boats coming out here between the blokes and the girls was epic. It's surprising the boats didn't fall apart.

The first ship of the second fleet, the Lady Juliana with two hundred and twenty six women  convicts and supplies on board, took almost a year to reach Sydney. It left England six weeks before the Guardian, on 29 July 1789, but it was still in Rio de Janeiro harbour – where it spent a leisurely six and half weeks – when the Guardian reached Cape Town.  By the time the Lady Juliana finally reached Cape Town, the wreck of the Guardian was back in Table Bay, having struck the iceberg almost two months before.

It has been suggested that part of the reason for the slow passage of the Lady Juliana was that the entire crew had partnered with the convict women aboard the ship and were in no hurry to reach the penal settlement. In the words of John Nicol, a steward on the ship:

When we were fairly out to sea, every man on board took a wife from among the convicts, they nothing loath. The girl, with whom I lived, for I was as bad on this point as the others, was named Sarah Whitelam. She was a native of Lincoln, a girl of modest reserved turn, as kind and true a creature who ever lived. I courted her for a week and upwards and would have married her on the spot, had there been a clergyman on board…..I had fixed my fancy upon her from the moment I knocked the rivet out of her irons upon my anvil and  as firmly resolved to bring her back to England when her time was out, my lawful wife…. She bore me a son on the voyage out. What is become of her, whether she is dead or alive, I know not.    ;) :)

‘1788’ David HILL. p277.

I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[

"There is no surviving convict’s account of the experience below decks on the first fleet, but on a later convict ship the Irish political prisoner John Boyle O’Reilly was to write of the conditions;

When the ship was becalmed in the tropics the suffering of the imprisoned wretches in the steaming and crowded hold was piteous to see. They were so packed that free movement was impossible. The best thing to do was to sit each on his or her berth, and suffer in patience. The air was stifling and oppressive. There was no draught through the barred hatches.

The deck above them was blazing hot. The pitch dropped from the beams and burned their flesh as it fell. There was only one word spoken or thought – one yearning idea in every mind – water, cool water to slake the parching thirst. Two pints a day was served out to each convict – a quart of half putrid  and blood warm liquid. It was a worful sight to see the thirsty souls devour this allowance as soon as their hot hands seized the vessel. Day in and day out, the terrible calm held the ship, and the consumoing heat sapped the lives of the pent up convicts. Hidious incidents filled the days and the nights as the convict ship sailed southward with her burden of disease and death. "

Also Hill '1788'.

I don't know where you get your definitive info from.

[quote author=OldnCrusty link=1405413144/22#22 date=1405672480]

I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[/quote]


Perhaps you were drunk at the time.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xAVRh-mofMI/UkGOzaCuFII/AAAAAAAAFH0/_j1wAExrhB4/s1600/gay+cruise+T-dance+afternoon+party+photos-0418.jpg

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 5:59pm: [quote author=Laugh_till_you_cry link=1405413144/0#0 date=1405413144]"It was so pervasive Australia developed the term mate and mateship to disguise the practice of open and latent homosexuality. What do you expect after UK emptied its prisons and set the felons loose in the wild after the were subjected to lashings of rum and bonhomie on the voyage. It might be time you read the book '1788' by David Hill. The shagging on the boats coming out here between the blokes and the girls was epic. It's surprising the boats didn't fall apart.

The first ship of the second fleet, the Lady Juliana with two hundred and twenty six women  convicts and supplies on board, took almost a year to reach Sydney. It left England six weeks before the Guardian, on 29 July 1789, but it was still in Rio de Janeiro harbour – where it spent a leisurely six and half weeks – when the Guardian reached Cape Town.  By the time the Lady Juliana finally reached Cape Town, the wreck of the Guardian was back in Table Bay, having struck the iceberg almost two months before.

It has been suggested that part of the reason for the slow passage of the Lady Juliana was that the entire crew had partnered with the convict women aboard the ship and were in no hurry to reach the penal settlement. In the words of John Nicol, a steward on the ship:

When we were fairly out to sea, every man on board took a wife from among the convicts, they nothing loath. The girl, with whom I lived, for I was as bad on this point as the others, was named Sarah Whitelam. She was a native of Lincoln, a girl of modest reserved turn, as kind and true a creature who ever lived. I courted her for a week and upwards and would have married her on the spot, had there been a clergyman on board…..I had fixed my fancy upon her from the moment I knocked the rivet out of her irons upon my anvil and  as firmly resolved to bring her back to England when her time was out, my lawful wife…. She bore me a son on the voyage out. What is become of her, whether she is dead or alive, I know not."    ;) :)

‘1788’ David HILL. p277.

I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[/quote]

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

[quote author=OldnCrusty link=1405413144/22#22 date=1405672480] I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[/quote] Perhaps you were drunk at the time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xAVRh-mofMI/UkGOzaCuFII/AAAAAAAAFH0/_j1wAExrhB4/s1600/gay+cruise+T-dance+afternoon+party+photos-0418.jpg

You are a fuuking idiot.

An empty head head with nothing worthwhile to add, fuuking idiot.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:50pm: [quote author=OldnCrusty link=1405413144/22#22 date=1405672480] I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[/quote] Perhaps you were drunk at the time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xAVRh-mofMI/UkGOzaCuFII/AAAAAAAAFH0/_j1wAExrhB4/s1600/gay+cruise+T-dance+afternoon+party+photos-0418.jpg You are a fuuking idiot. An empty head head with nothing worthwhile to add, fuuking idiot.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:50pm: [quote author=OldnCrusty link=1405413144/22#22 date=1405672480] I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[/quote] Perhaps you were drunk at the time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xAVRh-mofMI/UkGOzaCuFII/AAAAAAAAFH0/_j1wAExrhB4/s1600/gay+cruise+T-dance+afternoon+party+photos-0418.jpg You are a fuuking idiot. An empty head head with nothing worthwhile to add, fuuking idiot. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29775721.jpg

I probably shouldn't say so, it will probably give you some perverse pleasure, but there are too many fuukwits like you on this forum and I'm outa here.

Sexuality is such a silly thing to have a hang up about. It's such a small part of the whole person that I don't see how you can make a judgement about someone, let alone hate them for it.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:56pm: OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 18th, 2014 at 6:50pm: [quote author=OldnCrusty link=1405413144/22#22 date=1405672480] I can't recall too much about man shagging. :-[/quote] Perhaps you were drunk at the time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xAVRh-mofMI/UkGOzaCuFII/AAAAAAAAFH0/_j1wAExrhB4/s1600/gay+cruise+T-dance+afternoon+party+photos-0418.jpg You are a fuuking idiot. An empty head head with nothing worthwhile to add, fuuking idiot. http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29775721.jpg I probably shouldn't say so, it will probably give you some perverse pleasure, but there are too many fuukwits like you on this forum and I'm outa here.

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aquascoot wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

i call everyone mate and i have never had a homosexual urge in my life. i suspect this is true of about 90% of suburban males. i cant speak for inner city trendies and green voters

Everyone in Aussieland is 'mate' because our enforced egalitarianism doesn't grant the distinction of using first names. And gays are a protected species here because they are seen as underdogs. Underdogland or Gayland, a new name for our nation?

Or I'm thinkin' 'ow about Cretonia? (land of cretins) Philistinia? (land of philistines) Plasticland? (land of synthetics (our plastic money for example) Wasteland?(the most wasteful people on erff). No. It's better we stick with the Cockney motif and keep it 'Aussieland' agreed, 'matey'?