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Title: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:22pm
well it is apparent .....the cheapest commodity on this planet is human beings..our lives are as nothing to the powers of prejudice hatred greed
The cheapest commodity on this earth is the individual human being... in numbers too numerous to mention... we die and die and die,, and ... profits are made, and territory is gained , and people die.. and die. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:33pm yes, laws of supply and demand, effect on the environment, humans are of a negative worth. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:54pm
indeed... human life requires such that the fewer the better.
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:58pm
or .. we could try to give up Coca Cola and Fast foods and flying overseas for holidays, and try eating home grown food, holidaying at home and being very aware of every resource we use daily... but lets face it...
thats not going to happen... at least not until WE are lining up for our ration of food, water, and bedding, etc... and once again... being realistic.. that will be TOO LATE people. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by miketrees on Jul 19th, 2014 at 9:09pm
I do my bit
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 9:23pm
many of us do .. but many more of us choose to ignore reality.
Human life has never been cheaper than now... an infinitely replaceable resource... given our fecundity. WE, here in OZ, just happen to be among the fortunate born in better circumstances than most of the people of the world. In no way does that make us superior... it makes us lucky.. and I get so sick of hearing the dialogues of hatred and ignorance that is so pronounced by the 'haves'... is there a better world..?? well perhaps if humans represented an equivalent population to other top end predators. As it is.. we kill everything.... lest we be killed.. and that especially applies to other human beings.. how sad is that..?? |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 19th, 2014 at 9:36pm Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
well, fewer than there are now. A lot less. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:15pm
yah a whole lot less...
as it is .. we are a plague.. an uncontained cancerous mass that seems likely to destroy everything.. in the long run.. unless something comes along to curtail our psychopathy. Mother has thrown lots at us.. we remain. For now. :( |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Setanta on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:20pm Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:15pm:
So we should remove some of our population, the righties say we should turn the ME to glass. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:28pm
peace to you brother..
V Well I remember when I was young... ( Matt Taylor) ....... the Earth went round the SUN and I was happy.... could you perhaps explain to me what you mean... ?? All flesh is grass ... where do righties fit in?... we are all culpable... regardless of our politics. Politics is the veneer we throw over our savagery.. it is an attempt to control what is essentially uncontrollable.. for popular consumption. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Setanta on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:37pm Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:28pm:
We also use to wonder about the Earth and how it moved around the sun so snappy. Imagination run wild makes a very backward child they told me. Used to watch them down at the White Sands(Scarborough, Perth) when I was younger. We are undoubtedly still savages, not convinced on the plague. I hope not, plagues tend to run their course then disappear. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:29pm
yeah well how about a very adaptive VIRUS..rather than the plague.
like the FLU. It is true, as you say Setanta ..like Ebola.. which is likely too virulent to spread very far in its current form... 'cos it is too efficient at killing it's hosts... altho it still may, in fact likely will, adapt. . But... we are just beginning to see the rise of potential pandemics that would decimate the population, and remember.. just like humans... virus is compelled to adapt and conquer. Bacteria .. the most common form of life on earth... are also mounting a comeback... Mother will keep on trying.. and she will win. :) NO MERCY |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:35pm
seems to me we have all acquired the hubris .... we have the belief in species superiority... when in fact no such comparisons are valid...
we put ourselves outside ..... but Might does not equal right. A lesson we haven't learned yet. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Setanta on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:49pm Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:29pm:
If we are like a virus, then like viruses, that's nature. Where we differ is that we are sentient. How much that matters in the scheme of life(nature/universe) is yet to be decided. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 12:51am
I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK IN ABSOLUTES.
the world exists ..we exist... We believe ..sentience = good... But we also KNOW sentience = pyschopathy a double-edged sword... both are visible to us everyday.. but seems psychos are winning hands down ... |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:06am Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
Apparently we're all treated as the dogs of grass... :-? |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:08am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
Ah- the 'there is no such thing as society' philosophy... ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:09am Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
huh, absolutes will get you exactly nowhere! ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:13am Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 8:58pm:
There is a paradox to do with resources that says: THE MORE EFFICIENTLY WE LEARN TO USE A RESOURCE THE MORE OF IT WE USE. This is called Jevons Paradox- but,... who said it only applies to fossil fuels? - NOW THAT is worth thinking about imho :o :o :o :o :D |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:23am
Dear Emma, couple the Jevons paradox with Bill Gates idea about automation where he said automation will increase the efficiency of an 'efficient process' but will likewise increase the inefficiency of an 'inefficient process' and we are back to the start of the industrial revolution...
- us voting consumers have been fed hollywood ideas and cheap electronica comfort thru preferential trade deals(!..as Judith Sloane herself calls them..!) :o :o and the idea of productivity and what is and is not efficient has to raise it's head at some point... Lastly: nothing grows exponentially ;) i.e. life is sinusodial !! |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:25am miketrees wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 9:09pm:
Trim the fat? Cool! ;) |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:30am Emma wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:28pm:
I would be directly saying: POLITICS IS THE SAVAGERY! Obviously I am playing straight from the idea that "All human relations is politics!" |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:36am Setanta wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 10:37pm:
'Imagination run wild makes a very backward child they told me.' - this would speak directly, imho, of the idea that humanity has come so far due to its acceptance of the so called mentally ill as they have the potential to still contribute great and useful ideas. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Cliff48 on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:03pm
I have value - I do - I am worth about $7.50 as a raw material to manufacture Soylent Green
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by miketrees on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:39pm
It seems that the psychopaths are winning.
I agree with that, thats where we are headed a world full of them. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:07pm miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:39pm:
They only win if you say they win! |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:26pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:23am:
Had to look that up in a dictionary.. :) given your spelling :) i guess you refer to a sine curve being a better representation of life than 'exponential'.. what can I say?? :), I'm no mathmetician :) but aren't we like a pyramid scheme.. ?? :) |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:32pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:07pm:
This is also a possible.. unless you happen to be Putin... for example. Now there is an example of a psychopath reaching the absolute pinnacle of his goal in life... and playing that... and it'll take the whole world, more or less, to say NO WIN. Will it happen..?? The future remains as ever unknowable. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:37pm Cliff48 wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 1:03pm:
Probably more than that Cliff48.. hey have you read the BOOK.!!??? Nah not the Bible... ::) the book " Make Room Make Room" by Harry Harrison (hmm however improbable that seems) The BOOK that lead to the movie with C Heston.. another view of a possible future. In the end we'll even run out of insects to eat.. if Mother chooses starvation as the way to dispose of us. :) Happy happy joy joy |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by miketrees on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:34pm
I hope you feel better Emma, sounds like reality is getting you down.
I think the happy people i know choose not to know, not to think too deeply. Right now I am feeling down about facing the workplace psychopaths tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Cliff48 on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:37pm Emma wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:37pm:
No, unfortunately I haven't. I'll put it on my list :) And on unlikely names, I always thought Edward Woodward had to be a 'made up' name, but it is his real name. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm miketrees wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:34pm:
Yeah commiserations miketrees.. tomorrow is another day.. likely to be similar to today... But I'm Lucky ( always look on the bright side of life) at least.. on my part I only have to go and face the freaks when I feel like it.... I no longer must rise before the sun ... fight the freeway,, and work... Been there done that .. and hey things change... well.. circumstances change.. nothing ever remains the same .. for ever.. so.. heyy tomorrow is another day... who knows?? |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Setanta on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:01pm Emma wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm:
If you give up they win. Buck up, stiff upper lip old chaps. The day is not over until taps is played. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:08pm
:)
NEVER GIVE UP... that's my motto.. altho... sometimes its not appropriate in social settings.. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm No, unfortunately I haven't. I'll put it on my list :) And on unlikely names, I always thought Edward Woodward had to be a 'made up' name, but it is his real name. [/quote] wood wood? yeh.. :) speaking of the world... a faint link here... did you know that..? .. well I always laughed when I heard about the World Series Baseball games etc.. in the US. Thinkin' who do they think they are .. "world" series .. when noone else much in the world plays the game.. OK Japan etc.. BUT... seemed like so much spin... till I heard huh huh huh ha ha ha It was named after the man who started the whole schmeil..!!! A Mr World. !!! ;D ;D ;D Somethings aren't so obvious.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by ian on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:21pm
the world series baseball was not named after a "mr world". Bodybuilding and baseball are 2 different disciplines.
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:30pm
No dickhead...
a real man named Mr World. .... Not a title a NAME.!! Well .. if its wrong.. blame Stephen Fry ... oh and I think even heard something similar from Letterman. :P :P |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by ian on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:36pm
no such person, dickhead.
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by ian on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:37pm
God some people are dumb. Really, really dumb.
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 20th, 2014 at 11:17pm Emma wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:26pm:
Sinusoidal goes up and down: exponential only goes one way..pyramid scheme is someone elses lingo: try last nail or bobby or possibly anyone but me 8-) I suppose pyramid scheme refers to long term sinusoidal: it's a joke of a world and ya gotta be careful because the tidal wave of money involved changes circumstances quickly- potentially! --> hence socialist ideas to smooth the economic cycles... Automation is why mums and dads got out of investing in the stockmarket, for instance: THIS ITSELF MUST HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND HISTORY WILL BE WRITTEN BY IT... imho atleast 8-) 8-) HOW MUCH, ::) I dunno, but it plays a significant part I would say: just saying! |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Cliff48 on Jul 20th, 2014 at 11:17pm Emma wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:30pm:
lol yep, I enjoy QI too :) but unfortunately Ian is correct..... i did some google searches ... Quote:
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 21st, 2014 at 12:46am
such is life.. :) ya gotta laugh thanks Cliff48 :)
er perhaps I need an updated dictionary..?? Sinusoidal... a sine curve .n. the graph of the equation y = sin x well whatever you say ... :) "I suppose pyramid scheme refers to long term sinusoidal: it's a joke of a world and ya gotta be careful because the tidal wave of money involved changes circumstances quickly- potentially!" you get the drift ..well done.. I don't have the training to talk about these things in tech... I just comment as it seems valid.. Still.. it is an appealing idea.. the World series I mean... 'cos otherwise it says.. Yanks really are that full of it they think they represent the centre of the cosmos, and all else are simply to serve. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by ian on Jul 21st, 2014 at 7:51am
if anyone was wondering if brain cells grow back after major substance abuse then heres your answer, no they dont.
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:03pm
well.. you WOULD be the expert on THAT wouldn't you..??
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by ian on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:20pm Emma wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:03pm:
after reading some of your posts, yes. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:40pm Emma wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 12:46am:
'sinusoidal' just means nothing grows exponentially... food runs out and the population falls but doesn't die out so eventually rises with respect to the time dimension and then .....................................................REPEAT: it aint rocket science... it doesn't mean a repeating endlessly boring same-sized sine curve repeats forever------> it just means life goes thru its ups and downs.. :-? :) :) |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:44pm
:) :)
you know what Ian ...??? that makes me profoundly happy..!! :) :) ..you are actually reading and thinking about my posts.. and :) I am glad .. that you do NOT understand me... :) ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:51pm
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'sinusoidal' just means nothing grows exponentially... food runs out and the population falls but doesn't die out so eventually rises with respect to the time dimension and then .....................................................REPEAT: it aint rocket science... it doesn't mean a repeating endlessly boring same-sized sine curve repeats forever------> it just means life goes thru its ups and downs.. :-? :) :)[/quote] Well THAT my friend I comprehend.. thanx.. I have always pictured us as like .. a mouse plague in SW NSW ...spread over the longer human life span.. umm.. perhaps thats not too clear... I 've had a long day hahhahahhaah (I'd love to be able to insert that wonderful Billy Connolly chuckle......chuckling on ...--- what a truly gorgeous sound) |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 21st, 2014 at 11:36pm Emma wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:51pm: 'sinusoidal' just means nothing grows exponentially... food runs out and the population falls but doesn't die out so eventually rises with respect to the time dimension and then .....................................................REPEAT: it aint rocket science... it doesn't mean a repeating endlessly boring same-sized sine curve repeats forever------> it just means life goes thru its ups and downs.. :-? :) :)[/quote] Well THAT my friend I comprehend.. thanx.. I have always pictured us as like .. a mouse plague in SW NSW ...spread over the longer human life span.. umm.. perhaps thats not too clear... I 've had a long day hahhahahhaah (I'd love to be able to insert that wonderful Billy Connolly chuckle......chuckling on ...--- what a truly gorgeous sound) [/quote] perfecto: food/resources etc you got it perfecto! |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 21st, 2014 at 11:58pm
yep
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Ahovking on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 12:47am
human beings are not the Cheapest Commodity on earth
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 1:10am
oh??
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Ahovking on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 1:52am Emma wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 1:10am:
ofcause.. how is human being the cheapest commodity? where is your evidence? |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 1:58am
evidence..??
not MY evidence... I need not show you evidence.. can you not see it ..?? |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Ahovking on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 2:29am Emma wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 1:58am:
maybe when we had slavery but even then the slaves cost more than Commodities.. in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, mens wages were far lower than their counterparts in the US and treated much worst and in the early days worker would be staved and forced to work in the name of the state but even then.. i guess during slavery and in socialist states humans value were lower but far from the cheapest Commodity.. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 2:29am .. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 2:39am
I got one image..
Like it.. much.. m.nl/fileadmin/files/Pers/Beelden/2009/Lissitzky_Proun-Street_celebration_design_2786-08.jpg[/img] .. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 2:47am
that is so excellent.!!!
I have FWD it.. I hope . to my nephw. an artist... in WA. I look fwd to his comments. |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 2:51am Emma wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 2:47am:
COOL: it's pretty old stuff but some of it is cool as i reckon! That style of art is apparently called 'suprematism'... Art- It's all a cartoon i read somewhere so i have been just looking at what i want to look at as of late... |
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Title: Re: the World's Cheapest Commodity? Post by Emma Peel on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:16am
my nephw is a prolific artist.. I'd love to share his work with other people... on this forum.. who might be interested .. but
Art.. well.. it is ...very individualistic... and these works, by Hena ......are worthy.. I'm just not sure if I can share them..... or how to do so.. I have literally hundreds of images .. a life's work.. and I truly think he's only beginning.. even though he is in his 40's .. where does this sort of drive to produce expressions of Life come from..? I mean .. I dabble .. But to him..? it is his life long commitment, and any money not necessary for life support goes towards canvases and paint etc.. altho lately he has been going tech. Is it the need to try to record what is always ephemeral..? Elusive and unknowable..? the human psyche?? Perhaps I'll send this to him .. sometime. |
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