QUESTION;
When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets against civilians in Israeli cities and towns ?


ANSWER;
Hamas in Gaza will stop launching rockets against civilians in Israeli cities and towns - the moment when Israel - a non-ISLAMIC entity - ceases to exist [they wish!!!!].





THE PRIMARY OBSTACLE TO PEACE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS, IS THAT;

It is religiously 'unlawful' for the Hamas authority of Gaza - to be at peace - with Israel.

There is a religious obligation for the Hamas authority of Gaza, to seek to destroy Israel;
BECAUSE - 'Hamas' is an ISLAMIC entity,
AND - Israel is a sovereign, non-moslem entity, which is occupying 'moslem land', in a moslem majority region.


Think of it this way;
To the reasoning of the moslem, the problem that confronts the moslem is very simple;
1/ Israel is a sovereign, non-moslem entity, which is occupying 'moslem land', in a moslem majority region.
AND,
2/ 'Hamas' is an ISLAMIC entity which is 'lawfully' conducting 'Jihad operations' against that infidel entity.

Koran 9.123

Google;
jihad - is the pinnacle of islam





IMAGE.....
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."
/sarc offi



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Google;
Hamas charter, calls for the genocide of all Jews



The Israel/Palestinian conflict.....

It is not about land [for a Palestinian 'homeland']....

The Israel/Palestinian conflict - is about ISLAM and about 'pre-set' ISLAMIC religious doctrines.    Koran 9.29




Quote:

THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS - MAIN POINTS .... On the Destruction of Israel: ----------------------------- 'Israel will exist and  will  continue  to  exist  until  Islam  will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area: ---------------------------------------- 'The  land  of  Palestine  is  an  Islamic  Waqf  [Holy   Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No  one can renounce it or any part, or  abandon  it  or  any  part  of  it.' (Article 11) 'Palestine is  an  Islamic  land...  Since  this  is  the  case,  the Liberation of Palestine  is  an  individual  duty  for  every  Moslem wherever he may be.' (Article 13)....

http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm


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The 'Palestinians' are not fighting for a 'homeland'.

The 'Palestinians' are fighting to destroy Israel.




The 'Palestinians' are fighting against the Jewish people, because the Jewish people [LIVING in the ancient homeland of the Jewish people - Israel], are not moslems.

Period.

The Israel/Palestinian conflict, is another moslem conflict with 'local' infidels.




As per the directives of Allah;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39

As I said before, Hamas is a symptom of the Israeli oppression. It is inevitable that in any occupation scenario unsavoury elements will emerge, and Palestine is no exception. And indeed, the role played by the Israelis in fostering the growth of Hamas is well documented. Thus another common feature of occupation forces: promote one faction in order to sow discord within the occupied's society - divide and conquer.

Illan Pappe (Israeli historian):
Israel’s incremental genocide in the Gaza ghetto


Quote:

The Zionist strategy of branding its brutal policies as an ad hoc response to this or that Palestinian action is as old as the Zionist presence in Palestine itself. It was used repeatedly as a justification for implementing the Zionist vision of a future Palestine that has in it very few, if any, native Palestinians. The means for achieving this goal changed with the years, but the formula has remained the same: whatever the Zionist vision of a Jewish State might be, it can only materialize without any significant number of Palestinians in it. And nowadays the vision is of an Israel stretching over almost the whole of historic Palestine where millions of Palestinians still live.

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Quote:

The geopolitical location of the West Bank creates the impression in Israel, at least, that it is possible to achieve this without anticipating a third uprising or too much international condemnation. The Gaza Strip, due to its unique geopolitical location, did not lend itself that easily to such a strategy. Ever since 1994, and even more so when Ariel Sharon came to power as prime minister in the early 2000s, the strategy there was to ghettoize Gaza and somehow hope that the people there — 1.8 million as of today — would be dropped into eternal oblivion. But the Ghetto proved to be rebellious and unwilling to live under conditions of strangulation, isolation, starvation and economic collapse. So resending it to oblivion necessitates the continuation of genocidal policies.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am:

As I said before, Hamas is a symptom of the Israeli oppression. It is inevitable that in any occupation scenario unsavoury elements will emerge, and Palestine is no exception. And indeed, the role played by the Israelis in fostering the growth of Hamas is well documented. Thus another common feature of occupation forces: promote one faction in order to sow discord within the occupied's society - divide and conquer.

Hamas is a symptom of Muslim/Arab entitlement, caused by idiot do gooders and the 'socially conscious' middle class Westerners.

entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?

Do Israelis have the right to live without thousand of rockets being fired at them by their neighbors?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?

The entitlement to want what they rejected 70 years ago. And the entitlement that they are not responsible for their own actions.

As has been quoted many times on these boards, "If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be peace. If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel". The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond.

Israeli Apartheid Land Stealing Concentration Camps

http://www.deliberation.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/palestinian_land_loss_map.jpg

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Israeli Apartheid Land Stealing Concentration Camps http://www.deliberation.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/palestinian_land_loss_map.jpg

Well the first two maps are during the British Mandate, and the third is from after the 1948 attack and invasion by the Arab Armies.

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Israeli Apartheid Land Stealing Concentration Camps http://www.deliberation.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/palestinian_land_loss_map.jpg

That map is propaganda, why is Gaza listed as palestinian land when Egypt controlled it,why is West bank listed as palestinian when Jordan controlled it?
All that map shows is idiots like you are ignorant of the geography of the area.

Gaza has a border with Egypt,how can it be a Israeli concentration camp?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond.

Israel then conspired to overthrow Hamas as the democratically elected rulers of Palestine - before setting up the crippling and entirely indiscriminate siege on gaza. Hamas responded with rockets, Israel then responded with periodic massacres - first in 2008-9, then in 2012 then in 2014. All stemming from the crippling and unjustified siege - because Israel didn't want to accept the will of the Palestinian people.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 12:10pm: The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond. Israel then conspired to overthrow Hamas as the democratically elected rulers of Palestine - before setting up the crippling and entirely indiscriminate siege on gaza. Hamas responded with rockets, Israel then responded with periodic massacres - first in 2008-9, then in 2012 then in 2014. All stemming from the crippling and unjustified siege - because Israel didn't want to accept the will of the Palestinian people.

Gaza has a border with Egypt, how can Israel blockade Gaza when another country shares a border with Gaza?

Are you saying 6 million jews in Israel control the whole world...lmao

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 12:10pm: The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond. Israel then conspired to overthrow Hamas as the democratically elected rulers of Palestine - before setting up the crippling and entirely indiscriminate siege on gaza. Hamas responded with rockets, Israel then responded with periodic massacres - first in 2008-9, then in 2012 then in 2014. All stemming from the crippling and unjustified siege - because Israel didn't want to accept the will of the Palestinian people.

And isn't it such as shame that Hamas were NOT the 'democratically (cough,cough) leaders' of Gaza in 2005.

Q/ When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets?

A/ When they are ALL dead.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?

Periodic massacres you say? I don't recall any massacres/invasions/killings, not since the Stern gang days, that haven't been precipitated by Arab terrorism - first the PLO, then Hamas. As far as I can judge from here, Israel has gone out of its way to show restraint, but there is a limit.

err 500+ civilian non-combatants are dead, and you don't call it a massacre?

Would you prefer the word genocide?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Gaza has a border with Egypt, how can Israel blockade Gaza when another country shares a border with Gaza?

Fine, Israel set up a crippling and indiscriminate siege of gaza - with Egyptian complicity. Is that better?

You have deliberately, I'd say, ignored my conditional statement: " that haven't been precipitated by Arab terrorism - first the PLO, then Hamas."

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 3:34pm:

err 500+ civilian non-combatants are dead, and you don't call it a massacre? Would you prefer the word genocide?

The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian....

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 3:47pm:

You have deliberately, I'd say, ignored my conditional statement: " that haven't been precipitated by Arab terrorism - first the PLO, then Hamas."

Yes, the PLO/fatah have been well rewarded for their restraint - by Israel ramping up the settlement expansions.

And of course you are right - it was totally unreasonable that Hamas would respond to a crippling and indiscriminate siege by attacking Israel by the only means at their disposal. Gazans should just roll over and let Israel continue denying them a viable existence.  :P

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:

The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian....

The death toll is currently over 600. Israel claims to have killed only 183 militants.

Israel by their own admission have mostly killed civilians.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Gaza has a border with Egypt, how can Israel blockade Gaza when another country shares a border with Gaza? Are you saying 6 million jews in Israel control the whole world...lmao

They don't need to control the whole world. Just US foreign policy - which they do by funding the campaigns of nearly every elected official in US federal politics.

Then just make sure that the Egyptian military dictatorship continues to get its $1billion per year to do Israel's bidding.


US unlocks military aid to Egypt, backing President Sisi

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27961933

When Hell freezes over.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:53pm: The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian.... The death toll is currently over 600. Israel claims to have killed only 183 militants. Israel by their own admission have mostly killed civilians.

I blame Hamas.  These are like suicides by police - "suicides by Israel", orchestrated by Hamas.


Why is Hamas rocketing Israel?  What is the objective?


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Yes, the PLO/fatah have been well rewarded for their restraint - by Israel ramping up the settlement expansions. And of course you are right - it was totally unreasonable that Hamas would respond to a crippling and indiscriminate siege by attacking Israel by the only means at their disposal.

There are no Jews or Jewish settlements in Gaza.  The blockade is due to earlier unprovoked rocket attacks.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:53pm: The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian.... The death toll is currently over 600. Israel claims to have killed only 183 militants. Israel by their own admission have mostly killed civilians.

the muslims voted in terrorists.

To stir up a war between Israeli and Arab - Hamas has no respect or consideration for Palestinians any more than Syria, Lebanon or Egypt has.  They are pariahs and just pawns for some stupid endless war against another Semitic group.  Hamas is hoping to incite a total Arab war against Israel and the more Palestinian families slaughtered the better as far as they are concerned, as long as it incites Arabs and Muslims to attack Israel.

The only Arabhole who ever gave the Palestinians more than a moment's thought as human beings was Saddam Hussein - and you know what that got him.

Israel is playing into their hands by attacking civilians, and has yet to learn that fear and violence never prevail ultimately.

Mind you - moderate Israelis have been assassinated in the past.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Hamas is hoping to incite a total Arab war against Israel

The Arabs are busy killing each other.



The Jews know just how lucky they are to have the Arabs for enemies.

Soren wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 10:28pm:

There are no Jews or Jewish settlements in Gaza.

Thats right - but an unsubdued gaza threatens the great settlement project in the WB. It reminds the world that there are 1 and half million people literally locked up in an area the size of Adelaide, unable to create a viable existence for themselves, and entirely reliant on what goods Isreal and Egypt allow to enter and exit the place. Israel would much prefer they shut up and languish in silence - but the more acts of resistance there are, the more the world is reminded that we have here a real-life WWII style ghetto.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

http://www.alanhart.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mossad-Motto.jpg

by Hassane Zerouky

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".



Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

Dear master Light,

so true

and so it is

namaste

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:28pm: There are no Jews or Jewish settlements in Gaza. Thats right - but an unsubdued gaza threatens the great settlement project in the WB. It reminds the world that there are 1 and half million people literally locked up in an area the size of Adelaide, unable to create a viable existence for themselves, and entirely reliant on what goods Isreal and Egypt allow to enter and exit the place. Israel would much prefer they shut up and languish in silence - but the more acts of resistance there are, the more the world is reminded that we have here a real-life WWII style ghetto.

There was no blockade between Israel pulling out and Hamas being elected and ... er... starting to fire rockets and reneging on all previous agreements.

Causation, not correlation, innit.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am:

As I said before, Hamas is a symptom of the Israeli oppression. It is inevitable that in any occupation scenario unsavoury elements will emerge, and Palestine is no exception. And indeed, the role played by the Israelis in fostering the growth of Hamas is well documented. Thus another common feature of occupation forces: promote one faction in order to sow discord within the occupied's society - divide and conquer.

gandalf,

As i have said before, that the Israeli 'oppression' of Gazans, is a symptom of Hamas's - open - aggression and violence against Israelis.

An aggression and violence against Israelis - BECAUSE - Israelis are not moslems.





Quote:

Google; Hamas charter, calls for the genocide of all Jews The Israel/Palestinian conflict..... It is not about land [for a Palestinian 'homeland'].... The Israel/Palestinian conflict - is about ISLAM and about 'pre-set' ISLAMIC religious doctrines.    Koran 9.29 [quote] THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS - MAIN POINTS .... On the Destruction of Israel: ----------------------------- 'Israel will exist and  will  continue  to  exist  until  Islam  will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area: ---------------------------------------- 'The  land  of  Palestine  is  an  Islamic  Waqf  [Holy   Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No  one can renounce it or any part, or  abandon  it  or  any  part  of  it.' (Article 11) 'Palestine is  an  Islamic  land...  Since  this  is  the  case,  the Liberation of Palestine  is  an  individual  duty  for  every  Moslem wherever he may be.' (Article 13)....

http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm


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The 'Palestinians' are not fighting for a 'homeland'.

The 'Palestinians' are fighting to destroy Israel.




The 'Palestinians' are fighting against the Jewish people, because the Jewish people [LIVING in the ancient homeland of the Jewish people - Israel], are not moslems.

Period.

The Israel/Palestinian conflict, is another moslem conflict with 'local' infidels.




As per the directives of Allah;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39

[/quote]





And we can see this same aggression and violent intent being expressed [by moslems] - in Australia - against Australians.

An aggression and violent intent being expressed [by moslems] - in Australia - against Australians - BECAUSE - Australians are not moslems.



IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are -  of those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.



The image above - of a moslem street protest in Sydney - should be an 'eye-opener' for many Australians.

Because that image demonstrates that there are MANY, MANY, 'ISIS' cadres living within Australia.


These are violent religious bigots - MOSLEMS - living within Australia.

QUESTION;
Tell me, who among the 'pillars' of our 'mainstream' Australia society and in the media, is condemning the violent religious philosophy - ISLAM - which inspires every 'variant' of 'ISIS' and every moslem within Australia to [atm, suppressed] religious violence against those who are not moslem ?

Yadda it must be lovely in your simple fairy tale world.

Soren - the gaza wall was completed in 1996. Not sure how you can describe walling people in and controlling the entry points as anything other than a blockade.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

Yadda it must be lovely in your simple fairy tale world.

Yes, fairy tale worlds....

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

Moslems are righteous, peaceful, tolerant, virtuous people.

And it is - ISLAM - which inspires moslems to be virtuous people.



"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

Google.







ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg
The one holding the AK47 is - Abdullah - from Sydney, on his holy-days.

Moslems, doing 'good works'.

  Koran 9.123




"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 2:22am:

Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

Of course, no Arab Muslims are ever responsible for anything. They are helpless puppets in Israel's hands.

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Israeli Apartheid Land Stealing Concentration Camps http://www.deliberation.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/palestinian_land_loss_map.jpg

Still peddling your dodgy pictures eh.
In 1946, the British Mandate of Palestine was controlled by the British.
And they took it by force in 1917 off the Ottoman Empire who held it for hundreds of years.
There never has been a nation called Palestine, only a region governed by many other nations.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

Yadda it must be lovely in your simple fairy tale world. Soren - the gaza wall was completed in 1996. Not sure how you can describe walling people in and controlling the entry points as anything other than a blockade.

Mmmm.
There are two sides to every wall you know.
Some keep people inside, and some keep people outside.
And you know Egypt firmly controls the entry point in their country don't you.
The last thing Egypt wants is Hamas terrorist scum going into Egypt to kill Egyptians.
And anyway, how dare the Jews stop terrorists from blowing up seaside cafes and yellow school buses.
What's the world coming to when terrorist organisations are stopped from killing Jews and going about there duty to Allah.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24th, 2014 at 10:42am: Yadda it must be lovely in your simple fairy tale world. Soren - the gaza wall was completed in 1996. Not sure how you can describe walling people in and controlling the entry points as anything other than a blockade. Mmmm. There are two sides to every wall you know. Some keep people inside, and some keep people outside. And you know Egypt firmly controls the entry point in their country don't you. The last thing Egypt wants is Hamas terrorist scum going into Egypt to kill Egyptians. And anyway, how dare the Jews stop terrorists from blowing up seaside cafes and yellow school buses. What's the world coming to when terrorist organisations are stopped from killing Jews and going about there duty to Allah.

The Israelis are resourceful and capable people.


THE ISRAELIS DECIDED TO BUILD THIS;
http://revolutionaryfrontlines.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/palestine-apartheid-wall.jpg



TO STOP/PREVENT THIS;
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/beersheva8.04.jpg



AND guess what, it worked!





And now, the Israelis are pounding Gaza into dust.

The purpose ?

To stop/prevent Gazans from continuing to launch rockets - carrying high explosives - from Gaza, onto Israeli cities and towns.

AND guess what, it is going to work!

You must be right, Y.

Only the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, and every single country in the UN disagree with you.

Karnal wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

You must be right, Y. Only the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, and every single country in the UN disagree with you.

Moslems claim that - they - are over 1 billion souls.

And moslems claim that - they - are correct are inerrant, too.



I say that moslems are mistaken.

Mortally so.







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Ezekiel 35:5
Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
6  Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.


Ezekiel 35:10
Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
11  Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
12  And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
13  Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
14  Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
15  As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.


Psalms 83:4
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5  For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6  The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7  Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8  Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.


In the context of Psalms 83, and Ezekiel 35;

Idumea = = Edom = = Jordan = = 'Palestinians'

Karnal wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

You must be right, Y. Only the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, and every single country in the UN disagree with you.

K,

Yes, the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, and every single country in the UN chooses to have sympathy for murderous group of people who are trying to destroy Israel.

Yes, the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, and every single country in the UN chooses to have sympathy for a murderous group of people who are choosing, to launch rockets against Israeli cities and towns, who are trying to kill Israelis - but those persons [moslems] think that there should be no consequences minimal consequences upon them.


We live in strange times.

A time when Black is White, and White is Black.

A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.

A time when evil is good, and good is evil.



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THE PEOPLE WHO LAUNCH ROCKETS AGAINST ISRAELI CITIES AND TOWNS......



Quote:

"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."

- Osama bin Laden, November 2001





Quote:

"The Jews love life, .....they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

".....On the one hand, Israeli culture values life in all its aspects, including the sanctity of the life of others. Their soldiers take risks to spare civilians on the other side, unprecedented in the history of warfare. Aware of Israeli inhibitions, Jihadi groups use their own people as human shields in fighting the Israelis. Over the last few years, these Jihadi groups have developed a full-blown death cult in which they raise their children to want to die killing others."

Quote:

"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

"Our blood is cheap compared with the cause which has brought us together and which at moments separated us, but shortly we will meet again in heaven…"

Yasser Arafat (Maariv, Oct. 4, 1996)





Quote:

"Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and [even] call it heroism and martyrdom?"

Tunisian intellectual Al-Afif Al-Akhdar




Those "...we love death" quotes, above, were sourced here...
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/08/02/501/




Google;
jihad - "we love death"

Google;
muslims "we love death"

No, Y,  the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government and every member of the UN criticize Israel for building settlements on occupied land.

It has nothing to do with sympathizing with murderers.

Israel’s refusal to act in accord with international law does not make its civilians safe. It makes them targets for abuse, rocks, and yes, missiles.

Karnal wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:

No, Y,  the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government and every member of the UN criticize Israel for building settlements on occupied land.

MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS

Jerusalem is occupied land too, K.

Honest!!!!!

Eh?








Quote:

It has nothing to do with sympathizing with murderers.

MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS

ISLAM, is a death cult - which sanctions murder of those who are not moslems.iQuote:

Israel’s refusal to act in accord with international law does not make its civilians safe. It makes them targets for abuse, rocks, and yes, missiles.

MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS

Israel acting in accordance with what the UN wants, wanted, would have resulted in the massacre of all Israelis.





Karnal = = not a credible human being.

Karnal = = a biased, moral monster.



Monster ?

Anyone who is an apologist for ISLAM [which is a death cult, which sanctions murder], imo, is a moral monster.

That includes you too, Annie.

This is Islam,  I'm can't post URL's yet so look for this on youtube. Funeral for Muslim Suicide Bomber Goes Up in Smoke…Literally (Warning Graphic)

At the fallen muslim terrorist’s funeral, however, there was an “unexpected surprise,” leaving many of the late bomber’s fanatics in the same position as their dear hero.
Apparently, the person who prepared the body to be carried through the streets forgot one very important detail – removing the suicide vest. Oops!
As the pallbearers carry the deceased’s body down the street for praise, the vest detonates, blowing many of the followers to pieces. Mangled corpses and body parts cover the ground, and witnesses can be heard screaming “Allahu akbar” as the smoke clears

Perses wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

This is Islam,  I'm can't post URL's yet so look for this on youtube. Funeral for Muslim Suicide Bomber Goes Up in Smoke…Literally (Warning Graphic)

Welcome Perses.

Great post!       :)




The video......

Allah once again blesses the righteous moslems, sends many of them to his paradise.

The moslems are greatful - in the video, you can hear many of the moslems praise Allah, again and again and again.



Luckily, the bomb didn't take out the cameraman!       ;)

Great camera work!!!


Funeral for Muslim Suicide Bomber Goes Up in Smoke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xnBV62xvM

That’s right, Y, the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, the entire UN - and me (and Annie).

Monsters. Not even human.

Bless you, Y. May your Gud be with you.

Karnal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

That’s right, Y, the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government, the entire UN - and me (and Annie). Monsters. Not even human. Bless you, Y. May your Gud be with you.

K,

Don't forget Israel.

God bless Israel.






ISRAEL....

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee....

Genesis 27:29
....cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

Numbers 24:9
....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.

The National Security Agency has increasingly been working hand-in-glove with the repressive Saudi Arabian government since 2013, sharing intelligence and assisting with surveillance, according to the latest Snowden leak.

Former NSA contractor Edward Snowden sent a  top secret memorandum to The Intercept’s Glenn Greenwald that describes the secretive US agency’s relationship with Saudi Arabia. The NSA primarily works with the Saudi Ministry of Interior (MOI) and Ministry of Defense (MOD).

After the first Gulf War in 1991, the document says, the NSA had “a very limited [signals intelligence (SIGINT)] relationship” with the Saudi government, but is now “experiencing a period of rejuvenation.” The increased cooperation came after Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper approved an expansion of the SIGINT relationship in December 2012.

Even before that authorization, however, the NSA was collaborating with the Saudi Defense Ministry on a “sensitive access initiative” that began in 2011, and focused on “internal security and terrorist activity on the Arabian Peninsula.” It was conducted “under the auspices of CIA’s relationship with the MOI’s Mabahith (General Directorate for Investigations, equivalent to FBI).”

Now the NSA offers “technical advice on SIGINT topics such as data exploitation and target development” to the MOI’s Technical Affairs Directorate, “as well as a sensitive source collection capability,” and analytical and technical support. The US agency also provides “a sensitive decryption service to the Ministry of Interior against terrorist targets of mutual interest.”

The NSA shares threat warning and terrorist lead information ‒ generated in conjunction with the CIA station in the Saudi capital of Riyadh ‒ with Mabahith. It also provides the Interior Ministry with highly advanced surveillance technology.

The collaboration is a two-way street, the memo says, with the MOD giving the NSA access to remote geography in the gulf region, and providing information about Iran’s military and Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

This secretive spy partnership between the two US intelligence agencies and their Saudi counterparts may come at the expense of human rights. Organizations around the world, including the US State Department and Human Rights Watch, have condemned the kingdom’s escalating crackdown on activists, dissidents and government critics over the past year.

Despite MOI rules prohibiting the use of torture, there have been ongoing reports that “Ministry of Interior officials sometimes subjected prisoners and detainees to torture and other physical abuse, particularly during the investigation phase when interrogating suspects,” the State Department’s 2013 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices said. The US diplomacy agency also cited the MOI’s use of invasive surveillance targeted at political and religious dissidents, according to The Intercept.

At the end of June, Human Rights Watch called out Saudi authorities for deploying surveillance software reportedly created by the Italian firm, Hacking Team. The rights group says  it has evidence the government is using the software to stamp out political dissidence in the Gulf country.

“We have documented how Saudi authorities routinely crack down on online activists who have embraced social media to call out human rights abuses,” said Cynthia Wong, senior internet researcher at Human Rights Watch. “It seems that authorities may now be hacking into mobile phones, turning digital tools into just another way for the government to intimidate and silence independent voices.”

When asked if the US takes human rights records into account before collaborating with foreign security agencies, a spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence told  The Intercept: “Yes. We cannot comment on specific intelligence matters but, as a general principle, human rights considerations inform our decisions on intelligence sharing with foreign governments.”

There is no mention of human rights in the leaked memo.

Karnal wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:

No, Y,  the UN Security Council, the White House, the Australian government and every member of the UN criticize Israel for building settlements on occupied land. It has nothing to do with sympathizing with murderers. Israel’s refusal to act in accord with international law does not make its civilians safe. It makes them targets for abuse, rocks, and yes, missiles.

Well then perhaps every country on the planet could be criticised for building settlements on occupied land eh because that's exactly whats happened?
But of course their is only one Jewish state on the planet, so the criticism falls to them by right of birth.
And Israel's refusal to act supposedly in accordance with international law is irrelevant, the fact that the Jihadi's want to kill Jews because they are Jews and for no other reason other than their Charter is sworn to destroy Israel.
And Israel will defend itself, and they have learnt from bitter experience not to count on anyone but themselves to protect their people.
The UN enjoys flapping it's gums about the situation and constantly complaining about the Israeli's inevitable reactions, perhaps if some of those Bluecaps stationed in Gaza might stop the rockets, tunnel incursions etc into Israel and therefore stop the response.
But of course that will never happen will it.

Hamas ends ceasefire as Gaza toll tops 1000

Hamas says it fired several rockets at Israel from the Gaza Strip after a 12-hour humanitarian ceasefire in the embattled Palestinian territory, despite a four-hour Israeli extension.The movement's armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam brigades, said in three separate statements it had fired two rockets at Tel Aviv in central Israel, five at Nachal Oz in the south, and another five at the southern city of Ashkelon.The fire came shortly after a 12-hour humanitarian truce window expired, with Israel having agreed to suspend its bombardment of Gaza from 8am to 8pm local time (1500 to 0300 AEST Sunday).Israel had approved a four-hour extension of a temporary truce in Gaza, as the Palestinian death toll topped 1000 with the retrieval of dozens of bodies.