I know there's a strand on this somewhere - and this is not a party politics issue - it is a LEGAL one.  No party is responsible or receives kudos for a police aqency doing its job.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24581670/warrants-issued-for-aussie-jihadists/

"Two Australians believed to be fighting with terrorists in Syria and Iraq will be arrested if they return home.

The Australian Federal Police has issued arrest warrants for Mohamed Elomar and convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf.

According to Fairfax, both Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar posted images showing them posing with the heads of executed fighters and standing over bloodied bodies."

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

I know there's a strand on this somewhere - and this is not a party politics issue - it is a LEGAL one.  No party is responsible or receives kudos for a police aqency doing its job. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24581670/warrants-issued-for-aussie-jihadists/ "Two Australians believed to be fighting with terrorists in Syria and Iraq will be arrested if they return home. The Australian Federal Police has issued arrest warrants for Mohamed Elomar and convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf. According to Fairfax, both Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar posted images showing them posing with the heads of executed fighters and standing over bloodied bodies."

yes I heard the attorney general (good grief his voice is more annoying then gillards ) going on about this.

the federal police were saying they need legislation to stop these sorts of people going to Syria.
Personally, i'm happy for them to go and I"ll even drive them to the airport and pay their departure tax

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 10:09am: I know there's a strand on this somewhere - and this is not a party politics issue - it is a LEGAL one.  No party is responsible or receives kudos for a police aqency doing its job. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24581670/warrants-issued-for-aussie-jihadists/ "Two Australians believed to be fighting with terrorists in Syria and Iraq will be arrested if they return home. The Australian Federal Police has issued arrest warrants for Mohamed Elomar and convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf. According to Fairfax, both Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar posted images showing them posing with the heads of executed fighters and standing over bloodied bodies." yes I heard the attorney general (good grief his voice is more annoying then gillards ) going on about this. the federal police were saying they need legislation to stop these sorts of people going to Syria. Personally, i'm happy for them to go and I"ll even drive them to the airport and pay their departure tax

Same here - as long as they aren't allowed back in. They can stay there for life as far as I'm concerned and they obviously don't consider Australia their REAL home at all in any way.

Tony should offer a one way ticket for those jihadis seeking the heavenly brothel with rivers of wine.

A plane ticket will be much cheaper than paying them centrelink benefits.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 10:43am:

Tony should offer a one way ticket for those jihadis seeking the heavenly brothel with rivers of wine. A plane ticket will be much cheaper than paying them centrelink benefits.

Had a good laugh about that....

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 10:09am: I know there's a strand on this somewhere - and this is not a party politics issue - it is a LEGAL one.  No party is responsible or receives kudos for a police aqency doing its job. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24581670/warrants-issued-for-aussie-jihadists/ "Two Australians believed to be fighting with terrorists in Syria and Iraq will be arrested if they return home. The Australian Federal Police has issued arrest warrants for Mohamed Elomar and convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf. According to Fairfax, both Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar posted images showing them posing with the heads of executed fighters and standing over bloodied bodies." yes I heard the attorney general (good grief his voice is more annoying then gillards ) going on about this. the federal police were saying they need legislation to stop these sorts of people going to Syria. Personally, i'm happy for them to go and I"ll even drive them to the airport and pay their departure tax

Probably impossible to do but what they need is the legislation not to stop them going to Syria but to stop them returning. 

And I suspect the cat is out of the bag, these nobbers will come back and set up their own instant networks of jihadists and be challenging each other to the kudos of a bomb going off in oz. Or maybe just a coordinated setting of bushfires.

Datalife wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 10:13am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 10:09am: I know there's a strand on this somewhere - and this is not a party politics issue - it is a LEGAL one.  No party is responsible or receives kudos for a police aqency doing its job. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24581670/warrants-issued-for-aussie-jihadists/ "Two Australians believed to be fighting with terrorists in Syria and Iraq will be arrested if they return home. The Australian Federal Police has issued arrest warrants for Mohamed Elomar and convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf. According to Fairfax, both Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar posted images showing them posing with the heads of executed fighters and standing over bloodied bodies." yes I heard the attorney general (good grief his voice is more annoying then gillards ) going on about this. the federal police were saying they need legislation to stop these sorts of people going to Syria. Personally, i'm happy for them to go and I"ll even drive them to the airport and pay their departure tax Probably impossible to do but what they need is the legislation not to stop them going to Syria but to stop them returning.  And I suspect the cat is out of the bag, these nobbers will come back and set up their own instant networks of jihadists and be challenging each other to the kudos of a bomb going off in oz. Or maybe just a coordinated setting of bushfires.

complete with metrosexual bikie haircut and jacket and soccer mum 4wd  ::) ::) ::)

..wait, it's not funny  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17.
bizarre world the leftards have created.
if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority.
the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader.
when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet.
This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys .

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys .

john wayne ay  :-? :-?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm: did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys . john wayne ay  :-? :-?

yes mate,  teenage boys need to break free from their mothers (its a freudian thing)  .
They resent over nurturing .
And our schools and leftard celebration of the bullied and celebration of the bed -wetter make them even more "lost"
Why did aborigines knock out teeth as part of initiation.
Because the nurturing must end at some stage , or confusion and self loathing will ensue.
And there seem to be plenty of self loathing leftards who still want to be nurtured til the day they die.
a teenager who blows himself up is violently rejecting what the leftard luvvies have offered him.
Or do you think brisbane operates as some sort of dickensian state,

These people have the potential to reshape middle eastern geopolitics. They are recreating Muhammed's caliphate, and sending thousands fleeing in their wake. We should be doing everything we can to stop them, even if it means keeping Muslims here - as the AFP are attempting to do by cancelling passports.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm: did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys . john wayne ay  :-? :-? yes mate,  teenage boys need to break free from their mothers (its a freudian thing)  . They resent over nurturing . And our schools and leftard celebration of the bullied and celebration of the bed -wetter make them even more "lost" Why did aborigines knock out teeth as part of initiation. Because the nurturing must end at some stage , or confusion and self loathing will ensue. And there seem to be plenty of self loathing leftards who still want to be nurtured til the day they die. a teenager who blows himself up is violently rejecting what the leftard luvvies have offered him. Or do you think brisbane operates as some sort of dickensian state,

::) ::) ::) lolmylittleacorntosleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep oh preeeeeeeeeeety sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

These people have the potential to reshape middle eastern geopolitics. They are recreating Muhammed's caliphate, and sending thousands fleeing in their wake. We should be doing everything we can to stop them, even if it means keeping Muslims here - as the AFP are attempting to do by cancelling passports.

seriously... well that is transformative in itself!!

A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm: did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys . john wayne ay  :-? :-? yes mate,  teenage boys need to break free from their mothers (its a freudian thing)  . They resent over nurturing . And our schools and leftard celebration of the bullied and celebration of the bed -wetter make them even more "lost" Why did aborigines knock out teeth as part of initiation. Because the nurturing must end at some stage , or confusion and self loathing will ensue. And there seem to be plenty of self loathing leftards who still want to be nurtured til the day they die. a teenager who blows himself up is violently rejecting what the leftard luvvies have offered him. Or do you think brisbane operates as some sort of dickensian state,

I thought there was a shortage of dentists...

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever.

hear hear !

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:21pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm: did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys . john wayne ay  :-? :-? yes mate,  teenage boys need to break free from their mothers (its a freudian thing)  . They resent over nurturing . And our schools and leftard celebration of the bullied and celebration of the bed -wetter make them even more "lost" Why did aborigines knock out teeth as part of initiation. Because the nurturing must end at some stage , or confusion and self loathing will ensue. And there seem to be plenty of self loathing leftards who still want to be nurtured til the day they die. a teenager who blows himself up is violently rejecting what the leftard luvvies have offered him. Or do you think brisbane operates as some sort of dickensian state, I thought there was a shortage of dentists...

thousands of year of trial and error and they thought it was a good idea to use some pain and violence as part of the rights to passage to adulthood.

now its all female guidance officers, school nurses, psychologists and oprah winfrey.
this is a recent phenomenom and only trialled on 1 generation , not the 100's that the aborigines or the sioux trialed it on.

and the result of our touchy feeley softie softie approach.

columbine and virginia tech.
time for the department of human services to acknowledge that boys need men to be firm and show leadership, to demand respect and yes, even a touch of fear. ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:21pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm: did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys . john wayne ay  :-? :-? yes mate,  teenage boys need to break free from their mothers (its a freudian thing)  . They resent over nurturing . And our schools and leftard celebration of the bullied and celebration of the bed -wetter make them even more "lost" Why did aborigines knock out teeth as part of initiation. Because the nurturing must end at some stage , or confusion and self loathing will ensue. And there seem to be plenty of self loathing leftards who still want to be nurtured til the day they die. a teenager who blows himself up is violently rejecting what the leftard luvvies have offered him. Or do you think brisbane operates as some sort of dickensian state, I thought there was a shortage of dentists... thousands of year of trial and error and they thought it was a good idea to use some pain and violence as part of the rights to passage to adulthood. now its all female guidance officers, school nurses, psychologists and oprah winfrey. this is a recent phenomenom and only trialled on 1 generation , not the 100's that the aborigines or the sioux trialed it on. and the result of our touchy feeley softie softie approach. columbine and virginia tech. time for the department of human services to acknowledge that boys need men to be firm and show leadership, to demand respect and yes, even a touch of fear. ;)

..um, ever heard of civilisation?

Do you want the good ol' days of the napoleonic wars or what?

Why don't you choose the era you wish to reinvent  ;D

- columbine and virginia tech happened in civilised society where women were allowed to escape the bare-foot-and-pregnant-scene : do you want to go back to before  that?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:10pm: A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. hear hear !

If they are Australian citizens, it is our responsibility to accept them back, and stick them in jail if necessary.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever.

What about New Zealanders who come to Australia to fight the Muselman, Sprint?

Should they be allowed to return?

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

These people                   have the potential to reshape middle eastern geopolitics. They are recreating Muhammed's caliphate, and sending thousands fleeing in their wake. We should be doing everything we can to stop them, even if it means keeping Muslims here - as the AFP are attempting to do by cancelling passports.

'These people' ???

Moslems should not be allowed to live among us.

Just my person opinion.



Why so ?

1/ Because they are moslems.

2/ Because of what ISLAM is, and because of the worldview which ISLAM promotes.


Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.




Whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of,
Hamas,
or the Taliban,
or Al-Qaeda,
or Boko Haram,
or ISIS,
or Al Shabaab,
or [in Australia] Brothers for Life,

OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM;

....the moslem is the member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to either subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.



Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.








AN OBVIOUS QUESTION FOR THE BROADER AUSTRALIAN COMMUNITY TO ASK;

Why are Australian moslems choosing to travel to conflict zones - where moslems are in conflict with others ?

AND, are Australian moslems travelling to these conflict zones so that they [moslems] can work as 'aid workers' in these conflict zones - as many of them have claimed ?


"Jihad [religious fighting in Allah's cause] is the pinnacle of ISLAM."
....is a refrain often declared among moslems

Google;
jihad - is the pinnacle of islam






Is the following claim made by Mohammed Morsi, true ?

And if it is, what does it imply about the expected behaviour and the expected obligation upon the moslem [that is held within the moslem community] ???


Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg




KILLING INFIDELS - IS A HIGH IDEAL

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0






YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:33pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:10pm: A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. hear hear ! If they are Australian citizens, it is our responsibility to accept them back, and stick them in jail if necessary.

if they are an Australian citizen by choice... then they have broken their pledge...and yes we can take away their citizenship in that case...

no one mentions David Hicks but that was his intention as far as I am concerned..fight with the enemy...and yes we had no choice but to take him back...and keep him forevermore...

I think we should make it harder for people to become citizens...to be honest...half the time they can hardly speak English...we are too easy peasy.. check our jails they are full of middle eastern gentlemen.

cods wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm: [quote author=Deathridesahorse link=1406678988/15#15 date=1406691227][quote author=sprintcyclist link=1406678988/13#13 date=1406689833] A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. I think we should make it harder for people to become citizens...to be honest...half the time they can hardly speak English...we are too easy peasy.. check our jails they are full of middle eastern gentlemen.

Your own English language skills dont exactly rival Shakespeares.

cods wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:33pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:10pm: A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. hear hear ! If they are Australian citizens, it is our responsibility to accept them back, and stick them in jail if necessary. if they are an Australian citizen by choice... then they have broken their pledge...and yes we can take away their citizenship in that case... no one mentions David Hicks but that was his intention as far as I am concerned..fight with the enemy...and yes we had no choice but to take him back...and keep him forevermore... I think we should make it harder for people to become citizens...to be honest...half the time they can hardly speak English.

I agree, dear, but that’s hardly a reason to send Sprint back to New Zealand.

He still has some way to go, but I do feel his English has improved.

He wouldn’t pass the skilled migration English language test, but New Zealanders don’t have to, do they dear?

ian wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:21pm:

cods wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 8:11pm: freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 7:22pm: [quote author=Deathridesahorse link=1406678988/15#15 date=1406691227][quote author=sprintcyclist link=1406678988/13#13 date=1406689833] A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. I think we should make it harder for people to become citizens...to be honest...half the time they can hardly speak English...we are too easy peasy.. check our jails they are full of middle eastern gentlemen. Your own English language skills dont exactly rival Shakespeares.

No, but she tries.

And that’s the important thing.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:37pm: The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:16pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:21pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:13pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 12:11pm: did i hear brandis say a teenager from brisbane blew himself up in iraq killing 5 in a market. i think he was under 17. bizarre world the leftards have created. if they'd let me cane him at school he would have learnt some genuine respect for authority. the touchy feelies in charge of raising boys just dont realise how much these kids crave a strong masculine leader. when they cant get it from school or over nurturing parents , they'll seek out a "tough guy" on the internet. This would not happen if we had a john wayne character running every school instead of a sarah hansen young type woman who , (because she is faerful and anxious and not a good firm leader) cannot provide comfort to such teenage boys . john wayne ay  :-? :-? yes mate,  teenage boys need to break free from their mothers (its a freudian thing)  . They resent over nurturing . And our schools and leftard celebration of the bullied and celebration of the bed -wetter make them even more "lost" Why did aborigines knock out teeth as part of initiation. Because the nurturing must end at some stage , or confusion and self loathing will ensue. And there seem to be plenty of self loathing leftards who still want to be nurtured til the day they die. a teenager who blows himself up is violently rejecting what the leftard luvvies have offered him. Or do you think brisbane operates as some sort of dickensian state, I thought there was a shortage of dentists... thousands of year of trial and error and they thought it was a good idea to use some pain and violence as part of the rights to passage to adulthood. now its all female guidance officers, school nurses, psychologists and oprah winfrey. this is a recent phenomenom and only trialled on 1 generation , not the 100's that the aborigines or the sioux trialed it on. and the result of our touchy feeley softie softie approach. columbine and virginia tech. time for the department of human services to acknowledge that boys need men to be firm and show leadership, to demand respect and yes, even a touch of fear. ;) ..um, ever heard of civilisation? Do you want the good ol' days of the napoleonic wars or what? Why don't you choose the era you wish to reinvent  ;D - columbine and virginia tech happened in civilised society where women were allowed to escape the bare-foot-and-pregnant-scene : do you want to go back to before  that?

2 things, 

1.napoleon knew how to write good legislation.

2 if you are so proud that columbine and virginia tech happened in your wonderful civilised society, maybe you need to re examine just how civilised it is. ;)

If that's the worst thing that happened, we're doing pretty well.

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

These people have the potential to reshape middle eastern geopolitics. They are recreating Muhammed's caliphate, and sending thousands fleeing in their wake. We should be doing everything we can to stop them, even if it means keeping Muslims here - as the AFP are attempting to do by cancelling passports.

An hold on all passports from those affected countries until properly reviewed is in order...

(Down at Jihad Departures)...

"In the Name Of Allah - I am seeking to depart to visit the Home Country and render unto Allah all that is worthy, by the beard of The Prophet!"

"Very good, Sir - please sign this waver saying that if you engage in hostile acts agaiNSt anyone at all while there, you will be refused entry to Australia, and in the meantime, please sign this form that says you freely accept a thorough screening of your application. This could take some time - the waiting list is ten months or so.  We are sorry for your inconvenience."

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:33pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:10pm: A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. hear hear ! If they are Australian citizens, it is our responsibility to accept them back, and stick them in jail if necessary.

We don't want them here.

They're a poison to our society.

They should be hanged on arrival - gallows in the arrival lounge.

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:33pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 30th, 2014 at 1:10pm: A muslim who leaves Aust to go on a jihad has no right to return ever. hear hear ! If they are Australian citizens, it is our responsibility to accept them back, and stick them in jail if necessary.

Officially I suppose there are obligations yeh!