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Message started by Caliph adamant on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:52am

Title: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:52am
Is the estimated cost of surveillance on our 150 muslim mates who have gone overseas to fight for the cause. This extra impost on Australia's finances is a direct result of Islam.

Looking after these abhorrent creatures should be paid for by the rest of the islamic  community in full, they caused the problem let them fix it.

Each individuals share would be around $3200 on top of the normal tax rate. To be fair to all muslims, even benefit recipients would have to pay.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/jihadist-watch-to-cost-8m-a-suspect/story-e6frg8yo-1227017233690?nk=b807a79c7aeb1a5c1eeba89723702e10# 


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719118/It-cost-8-million-year-monitor-just-ONE-Australian-jihadist-returns-government-cracks-prevent-home-grown-terrorism.html

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:14pm
I agree, Caliph. Likewise, Indonesia and East Timor should bill Australia for their spying on our spies who listen in on their phone calls.

It is a jolly world, no?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:18pm
150?

Even the goverment is contradicting itself,

Director General of Security and ASIO chief David Irvine added a majority of the 60 Australians they were aware of fighting with Islamic radicals were siding against the government with Al-Qaeda off-shoots.

And what evidence is there there a 60 in syria/iraq?Zero.

All they can show us is sharrouf and elomar.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm

Quote:
Director General of Security and ASIO chief David Irvine added a majority of the 60 Australians they were aware of fighting with Islamic radicals were siding against the government with Al-Qaeda off-shoots.

And what evidence is there there a 60 in syria/iraq?Zero.


I think that means ISIS.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:52am:
Looking after these abhorrent creatures should be paid for by the rest of the islamic  community in full, they caused the problem let them fix it.

Each individuals share would be around $3200 on top of the normal tax rate. To be fair to all muslims, even benefit recipients would have to pay.


Yes, let them pay a Jizya, hey, Adamant?

I still can't figure out how someone living in Australia is responsible for what other Australians may (or may not) have done in another country on the otherside of the world.

I suppose the next time some Australian tourists get into a fight at Octoberfest in Munich, the rest of Australia is now responsible for the damage they may (or may not) have caused?   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Quote:
Director General of Security and ASIO chief David Irvine added a majority of the 60 Australians they were aware of fighting with Islamic radicals were siding against the government with Al-Qaeda off-shoots.

And what evidence is there there a 60 in syria/iraq?Zero.


I think that means ISIS.


He said islamic radicals


Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:47pm

wally1 wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Quote:
Director General of Security and ASIO chief David Irvine added a majority of the 60 Australians they were aware of fighting with Islamic radicals were siding against the government with Al-Qaeda off-shoots.

And what evidence is there there a 60 in syria/iraq?Zero.


I think that means ISIS.


He said islamic radicals


Are you suggesting ISIS are not radicals? Or merely that he didn't spell it out for you?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 8th, 2014 at 7:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Yes, let them pay a Jizya, hey, Adamant?


Why not? It is how they converted millions of  people to kill for islam, continues to this day.


Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
I still can't figure out how someone living in Australia is responsible for what other Australians may (or may not) have done in another country on the otherside of the world



It is what muslims do brian. Every single muslim that went to fight for isis/islam would have told a mate, friend, partner or mum and dad what they intended to do. So it must be that muslims are guilty by acceptance, that is they did NOT dob in the disgusting killer scum.


Please note, NO silly faces (faeces) was used in reply.

It is estimated that between 10 and 20% of all muslims are terrorist. That's one hell of an army is it not apologist brian!

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by gandalf on Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:02pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 7:50pm:
It is estimated that between 10 and 20% of all muslims are terrorist.


whose estimate?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:07pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Yes, let them pay a Jizya, hey, Adamant?


Why not? It is how they converted millions of  people to kill for islam, continues to this day.


Aren't you claiming that is wrong though, Adamant?  Aren't you contradicting your claim as to inferiority the Muslim way of doing things if you're copying what they do?   ::)


Quote:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
I still can't figure out how someone living in Australia is responsible for what other Australians may (or may not) have done in another country on the otherside of the world


It is what muslims do brian. Every single muslim that went to fight for isis/islam would have told a mate, friend, partner or mum and dad what they intended to do. So it must be that muslims are guilty by acceptance, that is they did NOT dob in the disgusting killer scum.


So, you obviously believe in collective guilt, Adamant.  So, are you responsible for all the crimes that Christians commit as well?   ::)


Quote:
It is estimated that between 10 and 20% of all muslims are terrorist. That's one hell of an army is it not apologist brian!


According to whom, Adamant?  You do realise that 67% of all statistics are made up?   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:10pm
Get ready to fight against muslims for one hundred years.

That's the headline on the front page of the Australian today.

Lets have an islam tax now.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by moses on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:10pm
Meanwhile the great satan has shown some balls and demolished some of the highest grade of muslims.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by gandalf on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:17pm
you haven't answered my question adamant.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:23pm
Nor mine.  Oh, well, it's obvious he won't.  I'll just move him from "semi-sensible" to "bullshit liar" in the classifications...   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:17pm:
you haven't answered my question adamant.


I will, but at my leisure.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:23pm:
I'll just move him from "semi-sensible" to "bullshit liar" in the classifications...   



More ad hominem from you Brian tsk tsk, getting irate are we. When will you answer the question Brian. In polite society it is rude to pose a question after a question has been asked....... I suggest you answer my question first.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:33pm

moses wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:10pm:
Meanwhile the great satan has shown some balls and demolished some of the highest grade of muslims.


Why don't they show balls and attack the Jews who massacred christians in gaza or the oppression of christians by the Jews?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:17pm:
you haven't answered my question adamant.


He doesn’t need to answer your question, Moslem. He’s a non-Moslem. We have different standards to you people.

We blame Islam.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:23pm:
I'll just move him from "semi-sensible" to "bullshit liar" in the classifications...   



More ad hominem from you Brian tsk tsk, getting irate are we. When will you answer the question Brian. In polite society it is rude to pose a question after a question has been asked....... I suggest you answer my question first.


You have no credentials, Adamant.  You make up bullshit statistics which cannot be verified.   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Adamant wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:23pm:
I'll just move him from "semi-sensible" to "bullshit liar" in the classifications...   



More ad hominem from you Brian tsk tsk, getting irate are we. When will you answer the question Brian. In polite society it is rude to pose a question after a question has been asked....... I suggest you answer my question first.


You have no credentials, Adamant.  You make up bullshit statistics which cannot be verified.   ::)


Oh, Adamant will verify them, don’t you worry about that.

Right, Caliph?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 9th, 2014 at 9:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
You have no credentials, Adamant.  You make up bullshit statistics which cannot be verified.




Adamant wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:14pm:
More ad hominem from you Brian tsk tsk, getting irate are we. When will you answer the question Brian. In polite society it is rude to pose a question after a question has been asked....... I suggest you answer my question first.


Carry on Brian................................

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 9th, 2014 at 9:12pm
You see? I told you he’d verify those statistics.

Thanks, Caliph, you’ve shown these Moslems once and for all.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 9th, 2014 at 9:19pm
Still waiting for a source, Adamant.  Your assertions lack any credibility.   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by moses on Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:06am
wally1 wrote:

Quote:
Why don't they show balls and attack the Jews who massacred christians in gaza or the oppression of christians by the Jews


Because your muslim brothers (ISIS), who are superior and a higher grade of muslim than you (according to the qur'an), have been found wanting in the eyes of the great satan,

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:11am

moses wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:06am:
wally1 wrote:

Quote:
Why don't they show balls and attack the Jews who massacred christians in gaza or the oppression of christians by the Jews


Because your muslim brothers (ISIS), who are superior and a higher grade of muslim than you (according to the qur'an), have been found wanting in the eyes of the great satan,


139 nations are persecuting christians.

America goes and helps one of them.

Yeah they got balls, stuff the other christians getting  persecuted.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by moses on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:41pm
wally 1 wrote:
Quote:
139 nations are persecuting christians.

America goes and helps one of them.

Yeah they got balls, stuff the other christians getting  persecuted.


If you get what you supposedly are aggrieved about wally, probably more than one billion muslims might get vaporized.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 10th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
You make up bullshit statistics which cannot be verified


Answer the question Brian not more ad hominem.

 








Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:53pm
8 million dollar a year to track them, bit of a joke really.

There is no way there going to put 24 hour surveillance on them for years on end.
They will monitor for a month then move on when they blow there overtime budget.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Shakey on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:56pm

wally1 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
8 million dollar a year to track them, bit of a joke really.

There is no way there going to put 24 hour surveillance on them for years on end.
They will monitor for a month then move on when they blow there overtime budget.

I doubt ASIO will just walk away from people who are a great chance of committing a terrorist attack.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:08pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:56pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
8 million dollar a year to track them, bit of a joke really.

There is no way there going to put 24 hour surveillance on them for years on end.
They will monitor for a month then move on when they blow there overtime budget.

I doubt ASIO will just walk away from people who are a great chance of committing a terrorist attack.


True, Shakey. They verballed the last lot of no-hopers into talking about terrorism on the phone before they sent the uniforms in for the bust.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:49pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:56pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
8 million dollar a year to track them, bit of a joke really.

There is no way there going to put 24 hour surveillance on them for years on end.
They will monitor for a month then move on when they blow there overtime budget.

I doubt ASIO will just walk away from people who are a great chance of committing a terrorist attack.


ASIO like most organisations have budgetary limits which force them to prioritise their time.   Then of course, the subjects of their surveillance may just be innocent afterall but of course, the bias against Muslims inherent in the thinking of many in the security apparatus won't let them realise that.   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:52pm
So they should devote equal time to Christian and Atheist terrorists? How about spineless apologist terrorists?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:01pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:56pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
8 million dollar a year to track them, bit of a joke really.

There is no way there going to put 24 hour surveillance on them for years on end.
They will monitor for a month then move on when they blow there overtime budget.

I doubt ASIO will just walk away from people who are a great chance of committing a terrorist attack.


Mamdouh habib is not monitored, david hicks not monitored, kaled sharrouf is not monitored, non of the terror suspect which are out are monitored.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:33pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
So they should devote equal time to Christian and Atheist terrorists? How about spineless apologist terrorists?


They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.

It shouldn't matter as what ideology or religion which motivates them.  They should not develop neither a blind eye or myopia.   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by wally1 on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


Just today in qld a lady got injured by a pipe bomb.

Who needs to make a pipe bomb these days.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2014 at 1:14pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
So they should devote equal time to Christian and Atheist terrorists? How about spineless apologist terrorists?


Absolutely not, FD. They should spend their time on the Muslims - okay, the spineless apologists as well. That's it.

Maybe ASIO will spy on the 2007 FD, eh?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2014 at 1:16pm

wally1 wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


Just today in qld a lady got injured by a pipe bomb.


Muslim or spineless apologist?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Shakey on Aug 11th, 2014 at 1:21pm
Apparently the government has started cancelling terrorists  visas. Great stuff. That will save some money.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 11th, 2014 at 2:21pm
Page 24 of the weekend Australian (9-10 August) carries a picture of a young muslim girl, aged about five.

She holds aloft a placard with "Jews haven't learn they need Nazi ( picture of a swastika) more than before"!

It is in Australia.

Mum and Dad would have put that in her hand knowing they could not get arrested for racial hatred.

We do not require or desire scum like that in Australia.

We need a muslim tax now.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Hot Breath on Aug 11th, 2014 at 2:47pm
Adamant, the creature with no credibility is posting again!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 11th, 2014 at 4:37pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Adamant, the creature with no credibility is posting again! 


And you with your stupid faces have decided that? I think you should look inward to your core. Then again why bother you'll find nothing of import. 

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Hot Breath on Aug 11th, 2014 at 5:51pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
Adamant, the creature with no credibility is posting again! 


And you with your stupid faces have decided that? I think you should look inward to your core. Then again why bother you'll find nothing of import. 


Better than having zero credibility.   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:21pm

Adamant wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 2:21pm:
We need a muslim tax now.


We most certainly do, Adamant. Then the Muselman could identify himself each and every year on his tax return.

Good show.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past


Ah.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Hot Breath on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:22am

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims?  Such contradictions in your own thinking FD!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:10pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims?  Such contradictions in your own thinking FD!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


Have there ever been any Muslim terrorist attacks in Australia?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:20pm
Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.


|dev|null wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims?  Such contradictions in your own thinking FD!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


I appreciate how this must all be terribly confusing for you. Just remember, don't try to blow anything up, and you'll be right.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Hot Breath on Aug 12th, 2014 at 2:06pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:20pm:
Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.


|dev|null wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:
They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.


So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?


Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD?  Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry?   ::)

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.


It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims?  Such contradictions in your own thinking FD!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


I appreciate how this must all be terribly confusing for you. Just remember, don't try to blow anything up, and you'll be right.


So, it was 100 years ago yet you've said we shouldn't be thinking about the attacks of the past.  How do you reconcile the contradiction?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2014 at 2:11pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:20pm:
Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.


Do ASIO have this information, FD? What security level are the Afghan camel drivers?

Please explain.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by gandalf on Aug 12th, 2014 at 3:17pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 2:11pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:20pm:
Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.


Do ASIO have this information, FD? What security level are the Afghan camel drivers?

Please explain.


;D ;D

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2014 at 4:04pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:20pm:
I appreciate how this must all be terribly confusing for you. Just remember, don't try to blow anything up, and you'll be right.


It is a bit confusing, FD. How can Hot Breath try not to blow anything up in future? What if he becomes an Afghan camel driver?

It is possible, you know. Look what happened to the 2007 FD.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by freediver on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:26pm
Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no?

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Caliph adamant on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:51pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:26pm:
Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no?


Reminds me of the Walking Dead.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Hot Breath on Aug 12th, 2014 at 6:04pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:26pm:
Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no?


Funny, thats the feeling I've had about the glee with which many of the Islamophobes and bigots have been posting about the atrocities that ISIS has been committing while defending the Israelis who have been doing similar things.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Brian Ross on Aug 12th, 2014 at 8:00pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 12:20pm:
Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.


When do you think WWII occurred, FD?   ::)

It was in fact two Turkish Ice-Cream sellers who attacked the Broken Hill Picnic Train on 1 January 1915 with rifle fire from their Ice-Cream cart.  They were acting out of political, rather than religious conviction.  Afterall, the UK (and hence Australia) had declared war on Turkey on 5 November 1914.

I must wonder though, how the events of 100 years ago has much bearing on how Muslims today act, now, as members of Australian society.  None of the Australian Muslim population were alive 100 years ago and most of their ancestor were resident in other countries at the time. 

So, as HB has asked, can you reconcile bring this one, singular act of Turkish Terrorism to discussion, with your claim that we should not look back at past events?   ::)

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Datalife on Aug 12th, 2014 at 8:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 8:00pm:
I must wonder though, how the events of 100 years ago has much bearing on how Muslims today act, now, as members of Australian society.  None of the Australian Muslim population were alive 100 years ago and most of their ancestor were resident in other countries at the time. 


Lol, I guess you won't be using the crusades as an excuse any more.  8-)

In fact I am going to save that comment of yours for future reference.

Title: Re: $1.2 Billion
Post by Karnal on Aug 12th, 2014 at 10:14pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:26pm:
Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no?


The 2007 FD’s going to have a party. Let’s hope he doesn’t invite you, eh?

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