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Message started by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm

Title: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm
http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/news/12115/20140806/domestic-gas-prices-will-soar

"Whilst our media is currently obsessing over the threat of returning jihadists from their atrocities in Syria and Iraq and, the Abbott government senses another distraction from a failed budget and asylum seeker policy, there is another long-term threat to our country.

It’s a ‘sleeper’ and, as such, not particularly sensational, so you won’t hear, read or see any mention in the mass media. However, it has surfaced on the ABC and in the business pages of the more responsible press. It’s a threat to both the household budget of every Australian and to our remaining manufacturing sector and, hence, jobs.

It’s the flow-on affect of the massive commitment in export sales of our newly developed east coast natural gas resources. Primarily coming from Queensland, it will compel all domestic customers to compete in a new global market for this much praised source of ‘cleaner’ energy – that is relative to ‘dirty’ coal. It’s worth noting the ‘clean’ credentials of natural gas are questionable but what is not questionable, in common with coal, natural gas is a fossil fuel and not renewable. ‘

Australia has the unique distinction of being the only developed country to export natural gas without protecting or quarantining a domestic supply at a lower price. When challenged on this, Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane shrugged-off any criticism by maintaining that it is the price we have to pay to operate in the global gas market."


I've pointed this out before in a comparison with petrol price in Saudi Arabia etc.. they guarantee their local price at a low level first - then flog off the rest.

We, in the hands  of the international and national robber barons, send it all off and then basically buy it back.

Dumb as.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 8th, 2014 at 5:59pm
Subsidization of energy prices doesn't work. Countries subsidizing are experiencing budget problems.

What happens with subsidies is the rich work out ways of cornering all the subsidies and Bruce and Sheila pay more.

In Malaysia there is a thriving market shipping subsidized petrol and diesel across the border into Thailand.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:22pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 5:59pm:
Subsidization of energy prices doesn't work. Countries subsidizing are experiencing budget problems.

What happens with subsidies is the rich work out ways of cornering all the subsidies and Bruce and Sheila pay more.

In Malaysia there is a thriving market shipping subsidized petrol and diesel across the border into Thailand.


Excellent point and segues nicely into the Robber Baron (Pirates of The Current Eon) concept as espoused by Grappler University College of Life Studies (Politics and
Business Sharks).

This shows one thing - which could be seen as dangerous in itself - a stranglehold by government over such things and a total enforcement regime......

History shows us that this is where we are headed..... choose carefully which carriage you are on... the train has left the station and tickets are closed.....

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:28pm
The 99% carriages have been unhitched.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:44pm

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Australia has the unique distinction of being the only developed country to export natural gas without protecting or quarantining a domestic supply at a lower price. When challenged on this, Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane shrugged-off any criticism by maintaining that it is the price we have to pay to operate in the global gas market."


Sounds good to me - Australia is the only country not controlled by feeble minded incompetents. Why on earth is this supposed to be some kind of criticism of government policy?

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:11pm
"Jemena, the major gas distributor controlled by Singaporean and Chinese Government entities, has highlighted this in its most recent application to the Australian Energy Regulator, forecasting that the Australian domestic wholesale gas prices will increase rapidly to parity with the international price"

Hello.......

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:28am
Natural gas piped into your home is not some kind of fundamental human right. Subsidising it would be no less stupid than subsidising cars, tomatoes or television sets.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:13am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm:
http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/news/12115/20140806/domestic-gas-prices-will-soar

Australia has the unique distinction of being the only developed country to export natural gas without protecting or quarantining a domestic supply at a lower price. Dumb as.
Oh but of course all these natural resources belong to the Aust people. Yeah right. Try and put a resources tax on so that we share in some of the wealth and see where that gets you even though a huge majority of Aust people want it.   

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:21am

freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:44pm:

Quote:
Australia has the unique distinction of being the only developed country to export natural gas without protecting or quarantining a domestic supply at a lower price. When challenged on this, Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane shrugged-off any criticism by maintaining that it is the price we have to pay to operate in the global gas market."


Sounds good to me - Australia is the only country not controlled by feeble minded incompetents. Why on earth is this supposed to be some kind of criticism of government policy?
Australian's getting cheaper prices for resources that belong to them is not a freebie.  The mineral wealth of this country has always belonged to the crown; that is, the people!!!! And just like privatisation the politicians of this country (on all sides) are virtually giving it away for free to their elite few mates (and overseas mates of their elite few mates) and we have to fight tooth and nail to get back even a small benefit to help fund our schools and health care. The dishonesty and corruption in this country is just mind boggling and you will never fix it until we get back some control over our politics.   

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:47am
Of course it is not a freebie. it is a subsidy, which is slightly less stupid.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:18am

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:47am:
Of course it is not a freebie. it is a subsidy, which is slightly less stupid.
Oh and what happened to getting a fair return for what belongs to us and getting to decide on who we sell our resources to depending on price, the level of environmental protections and whether the purchaser is foreign (with profits going overseas) or local (with profits doing good here).  These people are stealing the wealth of this country with virtually no return to the Aust people and as I understand it, stealing people's stuff is the number 1 sin in capitalism or is it not stealing if the thief is a Big/Multinational capitalist. 

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:30pm

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Oh and what happened to getting a fair return for what belongs to us


Subsidising it will do the opposite.


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and getting to decide on who we sell our resources to depending on price


Subsidising it is doing the opposite.


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These people are stealing the wealth of this country


They are paying for it - more than you are prepared to pay, apparently.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:33pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

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Oh and what happened to getting a fair return for what belongs to us


Subsidising it will do the opposite.

[quote]and getting to decide on who we sell our resources to depending on price


Subsidising it is doing the opposite.


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These people are stealing the wealth of this country


They are paying for it - more than you are prepared to pay, apparently.[/quote] As per usual muffdiver. Your full of cr@p

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:59pm
Anyone who in this modern day and age still supports government subsidies like this needs to go back to school.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:43pm
You don't have to look further than the Clintons and Tony Blair to understand the system.

The Clinton's left office broke according to them and now they are worth many tens of millions of dollars.

Tony Blair is so busy stuffing his pockets with money he doesn't have time to scratch himself.

All leaders of all nations, including Obama, are setting themselves for the future cash grab.

This money comes from international multinational corporations and the wealthy. You don't have to guess why the former leaders qualified for the bounty.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:47pm
Are you suggesting we make everyone poorer with idiotic economic policy so the fat cats loose a bit of weight?

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:10pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Are you suggesting we make everyone poorer with idiotic economic policy so the fat cats loose a bit of weight?


What a load of bollocks.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by ImSpartacus2 on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:11pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Anyone who in this modern day and age still supports government subsidies like this needs to go back to school.
Assertion, just simple assertion.  You might one day learn the importance of substantiation otherwise you're doing little more then expressing a wish that what you're saying is true. But hey, it really does get tiresome teaching you 101 all the time. 

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:14pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 8:28am:
Natural gas piped into your home is not some kind of fundamental human right. Subsidising it would be no less stupid than subsidising cars, tomatoes or television sets.


Why?  Feed your own first, let them have enough residual or discretionary income to promote the economy into life, and there's still plenty to sell off overseas at a nice profit.. but leaving out the current off-shore middle men who suck the cream off it first before we even get a look at it.

You wouldn't give that fish to your own family first?

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:21pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Are you suggesting we make everyone poorer with idiotic economic policy so the fat cats loose a bit of weight?



I'm suggesting we stop inviting in 'investment' from overseas that takes the profit out of our economy, and replace that with local investment.

Like - Joe Bloggs works for you and not Achmed Baklash from Wayoffistan who sends his money back home to be spent.  Joe is more likely to buy your fish from you than Achmed, so you will have that money back in your hands, which you can then put elsewhere, and pay Jo Bloggs as well for services rendered (??), and she might buy your next fish or spend that money buying from the local prawn dealer down the road as well.... the cycle goes on and on.

Meantime both Joe and Jo are not copping the dole since they earn enough.

Say you employ Achmed's brother Sunjab instead of Joe or Jo - he also off-shores his income - thus he also does not buy your fish or the prawns down the road, and you pay proportionately more to cover the dole for Joe and Jo out of your lesser income from selling fish.

Feed Your Own FIRST!

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:18pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Are you suggesting we make everyone poorer with idiotic economic policy so the fat cats loose a bit of weight?



I'm suggesting we stop inviting in 'investment' from overseas that takes the profit out of our economy, and replace that with local investment.

Like - Joe Bloggs works for you and not Achmed Baklash from Wayoffistan who sends his money back home to be spent.  Joe is more likely to buy your fish from you than Achmed, so you will have that money back in your hands, which you can then put elsewhere, and pay Jo Bloggs as well for services rendered (??), and she might buy your next fish or spend that money buying from the local prawn dealer down the road as well.... the cycle goes on and on.

Meantime both Joe and Jo are not copping the dole since they earn enough.

Say you employ Achmed's brother Sunjab instead of Joe or Jo - he also off-shores his income - thus he also does not buy your fish or the prawns down the road, and you pay proportionately more to cover the dole for Joe and Jo out of your lesser income from selling fish.

Feed Your Own FIRST!


Seems like you have depicted Freediver's whole life. He is left holding the cadaver while Achmed and Sunjab are eating his lunch.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:34pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Anyone who in this modern day and age still supports government subsidies like this needs to go back to school.
Assertion, just simple assertion.  You might one day learn the importance of substantiation otherwise you're doing little more then expressing a wish that what you're saying is true. But hey, it really does get tiresome teaching you 101 all the time. 


Yes I just love trying to substantiate the entire field of micro-economics every time someone demands yet another short sighted economic policy. It's my fault you don't know what you are talking about.


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Feed Your Own FIRST!


By government decree?

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:42am
Works for everyone else..... volunteer or be volunteered..... no - I mean you look at simple realities and add up the figures and the components IN Australia first and work out how they interact - then figure out how to feed Andrei The Fat I of Boerland etc....

It appalls me that you or anyone else figures we should off-shore resources first, let them become valued added and burdened with freight costs etc - and then buy them back....

Would YOU do that with a fish catch?  NO!  You'd feed your family on the best bits, then sell the rest.. no way would you send it to some faceless international marketeer, and then buy it back at valued added plus freight.

You see my point?

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:58am
Also let me add this:-

It is the very fact of buying back at valued added plus freight that creates part of the NEED for higher income levels here and causes higher prices of OUR produced goods - and thus generates an accelerating effect downwards in our real prosperity and our "competitiveness" at the same time and creates the added wage cost of unemployment.

Work that one out - we have twelve million workers on - for example - $10 an hour.  If they are forced to carry 1.5 million - that means each must earn $11.50.  Just a rough example, but shows the simple reality of creating unemployment as the ONLY solution to fiscal strife.  It is a trap from which - at this time - I personally feel  - Australia will not recover until the Next Great War comes along.

Buying back cheap goods is what is poisoning our economy... that and off-shoring investment so that it is gone from our shores, and the very fact of off-shoring resources instead of processing and value adding them here creates a negative effect on the economy in real terms, through diminishing employment along with value of incomes.

It's a downward spiral to hell, and DUM AS!

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:09am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Also let me add this:-

It is the very fact of buying back at valued added plus freight that creates part of the NEED for higher income levels here and causes higher prices of OUR produced goods - and thus generates an accelerating effect downwards in our real prosperity and our "competitiveness" at the same time and creates the added wage cost of unemployment.

Work that one out - we have twelve million workers on - for example - $10 an hour.  If they are forced to carry 1.5 million - that means each must earn $11.50.  Just a rough example, but shows the simple reality of creating unemployment as the ONLY solution to fiscal strife.  It is a trap from which - at this time - I personally feel  - Australia will not recover until the Next Great War comes along.

Buying back cheap goods is what is poisoning our economy... that and off-shoring investment so that it is gone from our shores, and the very fact of off-shoring resources instead of processing and value adding them here creates a negative effect on the economy in real terms, through diminishing employment along with value of incomes.

It's a downward spiral to hell, and DUM AS!


Freediver likes his fish very dead, in finger form and imported frozen.

in regard to Australian economy any resource rich country will face the same situation eventually. The producers of the minerals, oil and gas get a high return because they invested a lot of money. Not all the money from the export of the resources finds its way back to the Australian economy. Even if there is majority Australian ownership.

In the meantime the currency rises, jobs are lost, the currency falls and wages fall ad infinitum. The last investment cycle was quite long which means there was a lot of investment and the owners of the capital want a quick return.

In regard to the internationalization of employment we have seen only the start. Any desk job can be internationalized. Any job where someone sits in front of a screen and operates a machine can be internationalized. Now cars are becoming driverless. Soon it will be trucks, trains and planes.

It is not only the low cost of Asian and now African employees, it is their loyalty and obedience that employers like.

Bruce and Sheila are becoming an anachronism. In the future maybe they will be stuffed and you can visit them in a museum.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:14am
Yes - it takes not much effort to see the truth in that, and to understand how totally foolish it is to sell off the milk, watch it sent it overseas, adding freight and manufacturing costs, then buy back the cheese, cream, whey and bottled milk......etc.

This country is on a suicide path.. a trajectory to oblivion.... and it is hand-guided by our politicians and their loser mates in search of a quick buck at any cost to anyone else.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:56am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:14am:
Yes - it takes not much effort to see the truth in that, and to understand how totally foolish it is to sell off the milk, watch it sent it overseas, adding freight and manufacturing costs, then buy back the cheese, cream, whey and bottled milk......etc.

This country is on a suicide path.. a trajectory to oblivion.... and it is hand-guided by our politicians and their loser mates in search of a quick buck at any cost to anyone else.


Which museum do you want to be displayed in?

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by freediver on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:27am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:42am:
Works for everyone else..... volunteer or be volunteered..... no - I mean you look at simple realities and add up the figures and the components IN Australia first and work out how they interact - then figure out how to feed Andrei The Fat I of Boerland etc....

It appalls me that you or anyone else figures we should off-shore resources first, let them become valued added and burdened with freight costs etc - and then buy them back....

Would YOU do that with a fish catch?  NO!  You'd feed your family on the best bits, then sell the rest.. no way would you send it to some faceless international marketeer, and then buy it back at valued added plus freight.

You see my point?


You are the only one banging on about who gets served first. Some gets consumed here, some sold overseas, if foreigners are willing to pay us more than we think it is worth.

If I was a pro fisherman and caught a tuna worth $100,000, I'd sell it to the Japs and feed my family fish fingers. As would you. It is only when it concerns other people's money that people get all irrationally moralistic like you lot.


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It is the very fact of buying back at valued added plus freight that creates part of the NEED for higher income levels here and causes higher prices of OUR produced goods


If we could add the same value for a lower price here, we would. Like it or not, it is cheaper that way. And we do not have higher wages because we 'need' them. That's simply not how it works. You don't get what you need, you get what you earn. No other country is going to give us charity, except in the form of food subsidies from idiotic policies in the US and the EU. We have higher wages because we stick to the highest value part of whatever we do, and contract out the basket weaving to foreigners on 50c a day. This is a good thing. It makes both us and the foreigners richer. It is perfectly OK that you don't understand it. You don't have to. You just have to get out of the way and let the people who know what they are doing get on with it.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by perceptions_now on Aug 10th, 2014 at 11:40am

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:27am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:42am:
Works for everyone else..... volunteer or be volunteered..... no - I mean you look at simple realities and add up the figures and the components IN Australia first and work out how they interact - then figure out how to feed Andrei The Fat I of Boerland etc....

It appalls me that you or anyone else figures we should off-shore resources first, let them become valued added and burdened with freight costs etc - and then buy them back....

Would YOU do that with a fish catch?  NO!  You'd feed your family on the best bits, then sell the rest.. no way would you send it to some faceless international marketeer, and then buy it back at valued added plus freight.

You see my point?


You are the only one banging on about who gets served first. Some gets consumed here, some sold overseas, if foreigners are willing to pay us more than we think it is worth.

If I was a pro fisherman and caught a tuna worth $100,000, I'd sell it to the Japs and feed my family fish fingers. As would you. It is only when it concerns other people's money that people get all irrationally moralistic like you lot.


Quote:
It is the very fact of buying back at valued added plus freight that creates part of the NEED for higher income levels here and causes higher prices of OUR produced goods


If we could add the same value for a lower price here, we would. Like it or not, it is cheaper that way. And we do not have higher wages because we 'need' them. That's simply not how it works. You don't get what you need, you get what you earn. No other country is going to give us charity, except in the form of food subsidies from idiotic policies in the US and the EU. We have higher wages because we stick to the highest value part of whatever we do, and contract out the basket weaving to foreigners on 50c a day. This is a good thing. It makes both us and the foreigners richer. It is perfectly OK that you don't understand it. You don't have to. You just have to get out of the way and let the people who know what they are doing get on with it.


Well, it's a matter of Perceptions!

And, by that, I mean short term versus long term Perceptions!

In the longer term, WE will need the Energy & when the NEED arrives, no other country will give us the charity by providing us with Energy when  Supply will become increasingly less available, BUT ever more expensive!

The fact is, WE SHOULDN'T EXPORT ANY OF OUR ENERGY, WE SHOULD KEEP IT FOR OURSELVES, AS OUR OWN POPULATION WILL NEED IT ALL & MUCH SOONER THAN MOST EXPECT!   


Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:02pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:27am:
If I was a pro fisherman and caught a tuna worth $100,000, I'd sell it to the Japs and feed my family fish fingers. As would you. It is only when it concerns other people's money that people get all irrationally moralistic like you lot.

[color=#ff0000] One fish - what about the total fish catch?  THAT is the issue.  So you're saying that all these resources that are flogged off for pennies after paying profit to an overseas investor are worth all the effort, so you could then buy back fish fingers for your family?  THAT is the reality - not single $100,000 fish - lots of seafood fish at rock bottom prices shipped off, value added and then returned to you as fish cakes.[/color]


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It is the very fact of buying back at valued added plus freight that creates part of the NEED for higher income levels here and causes higher prices of OUR produced goods


If we could add the same value for a lower price here, we would. Like it or not, it is cheaper that way. And we do not have higher wages because we 'need' them. That's simply not how it works. You don't get what you need, you get what you earn. No other country is going to give us charity, except in the form of food subsidies from idiotic policies in the US and the EU. We have higher wages because we stick to the highest value part of whatever we do, and contract out the basket weaving to foreigners on 50c a day. This is a good thing. It makes both us and the foreigners richer. It is perfectly OK that you don't understand it. You don't have to. You just have to get out of the way and let the people who know what they are doing get on with it.


"We have higher wages because we stick to the highest value part of whatever we do, and contract out the basket weaving to foreigners on 50c a day."   You've hit on the problem right there - apart from one thing.  It is NOT our basket weaving that is going offshore - it is the near sum total of all productive work.  Banana republicanism such as exporting holes and digging fish, and then buying back does little to nothing for the Australian micro-economy apart from feed a few middle men and maybe the primary producer - who  in many cases now is NOT Australian, and therefore the benefit does not return to the Australian economy, but goes to feed King Andrei The Fracker I of Boerland and his gang of corporate pirates.

Are Australians now so dumb that they are incppable of investing in their own resources FOR THE SHORT TERM while rebuilding a new and viable infrastructure that they need to invite in foreign investors to do it?

Let's get real for a moment - these foreign investors borrow money to do this, right?  that's one reason they cop such a nice tax cut from all this and exactly why so very little goes back to Australia... they borrow from the Faroff Bank of Anustan (in which they are a major shareholder).. not from the Coimmonwealth or whatever pases for an Australian bank these days. 

All dead money.

Remember that Clivagina Prospecting do NOT 'invest billions' in resource projects.. a golden rule of capitalism is NEVER touch the family money.. EVER... they invest separate entity company prospecting and R & D money, often supported by massive government grants.. strike oil etc... purchase a licence from the government of the day at rock bottom prices.. then flog off the CONCEPT to some overseas foreigner who sees an opportunity for one mega business rort.  Australia gets virtually nothing out of this.

Joh Bjelke-Petersen in Queensland got his start that way.... all Tony wants to do is sing:-  Take Me Back To those Wide Open Chances....

This has to be a country lead by the dumbest politicians in history - as history will show very soon.


Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:34pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:56am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:14am:
Yes - it takes not much effort to see the truth in that, and to understand how totally foolish it is to sell off the milk, watch it sent it overseas, adding freight and manufacturing costs, then buy back the cheese, cream, whey and bottled milk......etc.

This country is on a suicide path.. a trajectory to oblivion.... and it is hand-guided by our politicians and their loser mates in search of a quick buck at any cost to anyone else.


Which museum do you want to be displayed in?


As what?  An anachronism.. Missing Link... or A Great Man?

"Now, children.. we are entering the Grappler Hall of Remembrance here.... and I want everyone to be on their best behaviour.  Here at the Museum of Simple Realites we take great pride in our displays of as much of our Great Persons' history and artefacts as possible.... and it is all displayed in chronological order to make it easy.

For those parents interested in the betterment of their children, you can buy, for $4.99 plus No GST, a full laserdisc copy of President Grappler I's entire posts on Ozpolitic.  He is titled Grappler I since every President since adopts the name of Grappler.... tread softy here and hold your silence, for here one strode a mighty man of the people and of Australia."

"But, Miss Marple!"

"Yes, Mary-Caitlin?"

"Why do the Order of Freedivers oppose the Presidents all the time when the Presidents were so great?"

"Oh - the Order and others like them are the followers of Abbott the Great Satan... Evil Incarnate even though they do not know they are."

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2014 at 3:00pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:34pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:56am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:14am:
Yes - it takes not much effort to see the truth in that, and to understand how totally foolish it is to sell off the milk, watch it sent it overseas, adding freight and manufacturing costs, then buy back the cheese, cream, whey and bottled milk......etc.

This country is on a suicide path.. a trajectory to oblivion.... and it is hand-guided by our politicians and their loser mates in search of a quick buck at any cost to anyone else.


Which museum do you want to be displayed in?


As what?  An anachronism.. Missing Link... or A Great Man?

"Now, children.. we are entering the Grappler Hall of Remembrance here.... and I want everyone to be on their best behaviour.  Here at the Museum of Simple Realites we take great pride in our displays of as much of our Great Persons' history and artefacts as possible.... and it is all displayed in chronological order to make it easy.

For those parents interested in the betterment of their children, you can buy, for $4.99 plus No GST, a full laserdisc copy of President Grappler I's entire posts on Ozpolitic.  He is titled Grappler I since every President since adopts the name of Grappler.... tread softy here and hold your silence, for here one strode a mighty man of the people and of Australia."

"But, Miss Marple!"

"Yes, Mary-Caitlin?"

"Why do the Order of Freedivers oppose the Presidents all the time when the Presidents were so great?"

"Oh - the Order and others like them are the followers of Abbott the Great Satan... Evil Incarnate even though they do not know they are."


Would you like to be mounted, stuffed or waxed, or all three? What order?

We can include in the contract that Freediver and any entity associated with Freediver is disqualified from bidding for the taxidermy contract.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 3:10pm
Good God - mounted stuffed or waxed?  I'll do the mounting around here, and dooooon't you forget it!

Um - Reverse Cowboy with a gorgeous redhead, stuffed from over-exerting self with dozens of beautiful babes, and waxed?  Could I just have a neat polish from a gorgeous one?

I think a sort of Zebedia Springfield statue with the far look etc might be the go...nice marble job.....maybe bronze... benevolent smile and all...gesturing towards the future..... a few nice paintings of The Great Man looking over The Valley Of The GAIA as it develops and looking at plans and designs and stuff surrounded by loyal thanes and noble workers in the group clad in hard hats and bearing picks and shovels and big muscles on naked arms etc..women holding babies up to view the growing vista of prosperity and economic paradise... a besuited Aboriginal holding the keys to the Treasury....... Senator Nunawackabilla, our first Aboriginal Treasurer.... row of politician's heads on pikes lining the roadway....

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Laugh till you cry on Aug 10th, 2014 at 3:46pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Good God - mounted stuffed or waxed?  I'll do the mounting around here, and dooooon't you forget it!

Um - Reverse Cowboy with a gorgeous redhead, stuffed from over-exerting self with dozens of beautiful babes, and waxed?  Could I just have a neat polish from a gorgeous one?

I think a sort of Zebedia Springfield statue with the far look etc might be the go...nice marble job.....maybe bronze... benevolent smile and all...gesturing towards the future..... a few nice paintings of The Great Man looking over The Valley Of The GAIA as it develops and looking at plans and designs and stuff surrounded by loyal thanes and noble workers in the group clad in hard hats and bearing picks and shovels and big muscles on naked arms etc..women holding babies up to view the growing vista of prosperity and economic paradise... a besuited Aboriginal holding the keys to the Treasury....... Senator Nunawackabilla, our first Aboriginal Treasurer.... row of politician's heads on pikes lining the roadway....


How about naked with a boner to exemplify potency.

Title: Re: East Coast gas prices and internationalism
Post by Knight Errant Sir Grappler on Aug 10th, 2014 at 4:01pm
Here was a man of solid convictions......real values able to hold the hard decisions......

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