We’ll fight Islam for 100 years, says ex-army head Peter Leahy


AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam that will be fought on home soil as well as foreign lands, the former head of the army, Peter Leahy, has warned.

Professor Leahy, a leading defence and strategic analyst, told The Weekend Australian the country was ill-prepared for the high cost of fighting a war that would be paid in “blood and treasure” and would require pre-emptive as well as reactive action.


www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/well-fight-islam-for-100-years-says-exarmy-head-peter-leahy/story-e6frg8yo-1227018630297#



How will this be funded ... an abbott war tax ?

ISIS now beheading christian children:

nothing graphic in video only talking:


http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/06/idesk-iraq-christians-persecuted-mark-arabo-intv.cnn.html


I think only a Catholic Inquisition can stop ISIS.

Burn them at the stake for the devils they are.

IS is a fundamentalist organisation and should be seen different to the majority of peaceful muslims.

Unfortunately the abbott mob are dog whistlers while the department of war are out for more cash ... so both will go down the path of war.

Yet what of the cash to fund a long illogical war, who and how will it be paid for?

Greens you ought to visit a few "peaceful" muslim websites and see that these very ppl you call peaceful, hate your dam guts and are in the process of undermining this country.

Can you tell me why you defend a religion that states all gays should be killed, treats woman worse than dogs, allows 9 ro old girls to be married off to middle aged men and have sex when they have their first period, buries woman and throws rocks at them.


Why do you defend this religion, serious question mate.

Walk down the street in Saudi Arabia holding hands with your boyfriend and see how this religion you defend treats you, maybe even have gay sex in your hotel and see how this religion you defend treats you.

So why do you defend it????

Is it because they are primarily asylum seekers and you are forced to defend every race and religion purely because they become asylum seekers?

I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war.

A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path.
So how will the conservatives finance their war?

You defend Islam and muslims in every thread where there is an argument against them, in boat ppl threads in mosque threads you defend them all the time, shall I copy in some of your posts??

I don't support witch hunts or angry mobs inciting hatred.

Have never done and will never ... if you would like me on side then remove the dog whistling and xenophobia and come at me with a logical position.

Can you do that as far as how you suggest we all pay for the war you are backing?

Didn't we already win the war on terrorism?

http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/b027_bush_mission_accomplished_2050081722-7750.jpg

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war. A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path. So how will the conservatives finance their war?

War will always be with us , and I don't see this coming one as being our fault - only something we need to do or go into the dark.

Sorry - but some people in this world have never risen above tribal ideas and conflicts.. and it is they who are the threat.

I say - bomb 'em Obama... next time they jihad step down the street, clobber  'em with the lot, and keep doing it.

Civilians can stay away.

As for Tony - me might suddenly find the need for a genuinely strong independent industrial etc base for Australia instead of kow-towing to foreign interest for a few paltry dollars in tax.. which could be recouped and its base spent much more effectively in Australia if our investment started here.

I seriously do not understand the thinking or the sanity of those currently selling off the country to be raped.

Greeny, can you walk down the main street of Lakemba and point out to us who is a peaceful muslim and who is a fanatic.

The woman who went to Labanon with her new boyfriend who is now being charged with adultery for example.

Her family has never been on any muslim watch list as being fanatical, yet her brother comes out who you may have lived next to and you'd say he was peaceful, says he would put a bullet between her eyes, is he now fanatical??


Would you invite a colony of white ants into your home knowing most of them are not going to eat your house but in that colony there is a % of ants who will eat your house down and there is nothing you can do about it other than eliminate the white ants?

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

IS is a fundamentalist organisation and should be seen different to the majority of peaceful muslims. Unfortunately the abbott mob are dog whistlers while the department of war are out for more cash ... so both will go down the path of war. Yet what of the cash to fund a long illogical war, who and how will it be paid for?

From your own article:


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AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Greeny, can you walk down the main street of Lakemba and point out to us who is a peaceful muslim and who is a fanatic. The woman who went to Labanon with her new boyfriend who is now being charged with adultery for example. Her family has never been on any muslim watch list as being fanatical, yet her brother comes out who you may have lived next to and you'd say he was peaceful, says he would put a bullet between her eyes, is he now fanatical?? Would you invite a colony of white ants into your home knowing most of them are not going to eat your house but in that colony there is a % of ants who will eat your house down and there is nothing you can do about it other than eliminate the white ants?

Thats easy..99.99999% of them are peaceful and want exactly the same things from life as any other Aissie

The very creation of this topic by greeny shows that he doesn't believe we should or need to prepare for an inevitable war with islam, one of which we will lose, because we have too many ppl who do not understand what they defend.

I asked a bloke on FB the other day who was defending the construction of a mosque here at Currumbin, if he would marry a muslim woman, of course he said.

Then I pointed out that it is against Islamic law for a muslim woman to marry a non muslim.

See people defend things they know nothing of, greeny is the same.

I know he wouldn't have a boyfriend if Islam took over this country, something that is inevitable.

If the world were to follow you woof, where would the world be in a decade.

Deep within a bloody religious war ... Is there any other scenario possible from the path you want us all to follow you down?

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adelcrow wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:46am: Greeny, can you walk down the main street of Lakemba and point out to us who is a peaceful muslim and who is a fanatic. The woman who went to Labanon with her new boyfriend who is now being charged with adultery for example. Her family has never been on any muslim watch list as being fanatical, yet her brother comes out who you may have lived next to and you'd say he was peaceful, says he would put a bullet between her eyes, is he now fanatical?? Would you invite a colony of white ants into your home knowing most of them are not going to eat your house but in that colony there is a % of ants who will eat your house down and there is nothing you can do about it other than eliminate the white ants? Thats easy..99.99999% of them are peaceful and want exactly the same things from life as any other Aissie

Are you joking?


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If the world were to follow you woof, where would the world be in a decade.

It took a bloody war to stop the Nazis taking over. Why are you so keen to roll over for ISIS?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 9:51am: IS is a fundamentalist organisation and should be seen different to the majority of peaceful muslims. Unfortunately the abbott mob are dog whistlers while the department of war are out for more cash ... so both will go down the path of war. Yet what of the cash to fund a long illogical war, who and how will it be paid for? From your own article: Quote: AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam

Radical is a relative term and I posted the article as a bases of the thread, not as a statement on my position within the thread.

Keep Islam out of countries it is not compatible with.

Tell me this hypothetical

who is most likely to blow up a bus in downtown Sydney

Christians
Hindus
Jehovas
muslim
catholic

Which religion is most likely going to produce a terrorist nutter?


What about Uthman Badder have a look at his facebook page, he is a muslim speaker look at the comments from his followers.

He appears to be a regular mohammed, was going to say regular joe, but he is against everything western govs do and is only interested in pushing Islam have a read of his stuff.

Then tell me you can pick which ones are peaceful or not, they are of the same ilk and agenda.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Uthman-Badar/238728026193251

He is pushing for an Islamic state inside Australia?

Yet doesn't think Israel should be on Muslim land, but has no problem creating muslim state on western land??

Hypocrite much?

And how is one person's opinion suppose to win everyone over to your side when your side leads to death and destruction on a global scale.

You call others radical ... are you one of the radicals woof?

am I radical?? that's debateable

have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah

Have I stoned to death a female, Nah

Have I married a 9yo girl, nah

have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah

Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah

Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger.


Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie?

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

am I radical?? that's debateable have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah Have I stoned to death a female, Nah Have I married a 9yo girl, nah have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger. Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie?

Why would be be drawn into religious war
Is Indonesia planning for an invasion of Australia?

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

am I radical?? that's debateable have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah Have I stoned to death a female, Nah Have I married a 9yo girl, nah have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger. Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie?

The vast majority of Muslims dont behave that way either..

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

If the world were to follow you woof, where would the world be in a decade. Deep within a bloody religious war ... Is there any other scenario possible from the path you want us all to follow you down? .

Greens.. it already is.. you just missed it.  Nobody is saying that your average Muslim down the street is going to join in - but there are enough who will do so.  Lakemba is full of gangs and Muslim groups who are, if not radical, certainly violent to anyone else.  It would take very little for that kind of flea-brain to tip over into thinking of jihad here, and that is is right and godly etc.

I've lived among them -the Christians are peaceful - the Muslims are mainly not anywhere near so and many are hostile and aggressive to anyone 'outside' their group.  I've seen people kidnapped on the streets, and the police do nothing.

These people claim to be following Allah's will as law - they have no law.  A mullah makes it up for them as they go along.... and it is totally subjective, and based - totally fallaciously - on the premise that if a mullah or whatever makes a mistake in judgement it is Allah's will and Allah will resolve it properly.

Small comfort to those killed in the name of Allah's will on the whim of a mullah or ayatollah, as happens in Iran daily in their 'courts'.

You like to think that these ppl pose no threat as that is easier to stomach than the alternative???

keep that head buried, safer down there.

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

You like to think that these ppl pose no threat as that is easier to stomach than the alternative??? keep that head buried, safer down there.

I didn't say that. I am questioning your path. To me it's illogical and has no exit strategy.
And so far, my original thinking has been shifted by your dog whistling.

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:30am:

I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war. A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path. So how will the conservatives finance their war?

What is pointless about defending our country and way of life? Do you want us to end up like Iraq, where IS militants are giving you a choice: convert to Islam or die?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:30am: I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war. A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path. So how will the conservatives finance their war? What is pointless about defending our country and way of life? Do you want us to end up like Iraq, where IS militants are giving you a choice: convert to Islam or die?

I would like to discuss the alternatives to Abbott's War Tax to pay for an open ended war that will cost lives, security, and all within a worldwide depression.

How will a conservative's created religious war help our so called budget emergency or cost of living pressures?

How will your path help Australian households?

The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to,

Ban Islamic migration

Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime

enforce a no child policy so they can not breed

offer voluntary removal back to country of origin

If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue?


What would you prefer?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:30am: I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war. A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path. So how will the conservatives finance their war? What is pointless about defending our country and way of life? Do you want us to end up like Iraq, where IS militants are giving you a choice: convert to Islam or die?

The vast majority of Muslims in the countries you mention are the victims of terrorism and the insurgents.
A small number of radicalised Muslims are terrorising the majority of moderate Muslims.
In fact if Howard and Bush hadnt invaded the region the problem wouldnt exist coz Saddam was very good at killing terrorists and those that didnt want to live in a secular Iraq.

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to, Ban Islamic migration Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime enforce a no child policy so they can not breed offer voluntary removal back to country of origin If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue? What would you prefer?

And you question your on radicalism?

You don't sort one form of radicalism with another.

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:32am: The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to, Ban Islamic migration Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime enforce a no child policy so they can not breed offer voluntary removal back to country of origin If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue? What would you prefer? And you question your on radicalism? You don't sort one form of radicalism with another.

Of course theres no thought given to the sanctions that would hit Australia if we were to regress back to racist based policies.
Ban all Muslim migration based simply on racist and bigoted stereotypes and Australia would end up with an economy that would make Somalia look like California

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:02am:

He is pushing for an Islamic state inside Australia? Yet doesn't think Israel should be on Muslim land, but has no problem creating muslim state on western land?? Hypocrite much?

.. or are Muslims on Israeli land?

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to, Ban Islamic migration Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime enforce a no child policy so they can not breed offer voluntary removal back to country of origin If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue? What would you prefer?

.. wait.. WAIT.  You missed out on Die Konzentratsionlager.... the Greater Gulag Complex run by SERCO...

and therin lies the crux of our societies problem, the mighty dollar.


I have laughed at ppl who have sold their properties to foreigners for top dollar then they turn around and say they are taking over.

Our society is doomed purely because everyone will sell the country out to the highest bidder.

We could become self sufficient as we were 20 years ago, we don't need to import food hell we don't need to import anything, we could recreate our entire manufacturing industry.

Name me something we would need to import that we could not make ourselves

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

and therin lies the crux of our societies problem, the mighty dollar. I have laughed at ppl who have sold their properties to foreigners for top dollar then they turn around and say they are taking over. Our society is doomed purely because everyone will sell the country out to the highest bidder. We could become self sufficient as we were 20 years ago, we don't need to import food hell we don't need to import anything, we could recreate our entire manufacturing industry. Name me something we would need to import that we could not make ourselves

It is the dollar that is behind the war mongering.

War mongering decreases human rights and so empowers multinationals.
War mongering entrenches more power to the military and less with the people.

There are other ways to countering fundamental muslims and it is the similar way to how fundamental christianity was defeated.

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement.

Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

Greens - what other ways do we counter radical Islam like ISIS or whatever they choose to be today?  Sanctions?

(down at the old mosque)...

"Allaaah-u Akba!  The Infidel have placed sanction on our fuel and food and milk for baby!"

The assembled crowd fire their AKs into the roof, bringing it down... chanting "Fight for Allah, never yield", etc

"I thought I said no smoking guns in mosque!"

Yeah - sanctions would really work, huh?  They just rob and kill now.

What else?  International condemnation - you gonna oppose 'em with harsh language?

I'd say the targets are pretty clear cut.. let 'em have it both barrels.

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

.. and the middle is.. where?  Sitting down over a cup of tea and discussing things?

That'll work.

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

I have no recollection of anyone calling for appeasement on the thread so far. If I am incorrect, can you point it out.

Them wot lives by the sword, will die by the drone....

Only when the Earth has been cleansed of the Unbelievers in peace and harmony and forebearance will there be peace under God!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

Greens - what other ways do we counter radical Islam like ISIS or whatever they choose to be today?  Sanctions? (down at the old mosque)... "Allaaah-u Akba!  The Infidel have placed sanction on our fuel and food and milk for baby!" The assembled crowd fire their AKs into the roof, bringing it down... chanting "Fight for Allah, never yield", etc "I thought I said no smoking guns in mosque!" Yeah - sanctions would really work, huh?  They just rob and kill now. What else?  International condemnation - you gonna oppose 'em with harsh language? I'd say the targets are pretty clear cut.. let 'em have it both barrels.

A united front could be a starting position.

Australia has a temporary seat on the UN security council. We got there in part by attaining muslim country votes. Abbott could keep Australia's promises to these countries made for their votes so to build a closer relationship with the moderate muslims of the world.

Just a possible  starting point.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:06pm: It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group. .. and the middle is.. where?  Sitting down over a cup of tea and discussing things? That'll work.

Well to be fair, a cup of tea might not be culturally appropriate across the board...

I see though that you are correct of course, there is no actual solution... I guess we are doomed.

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:08am: am I radical?? that's debateable have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah Have I stoned to death a female, Nah Have I married a 9yo girl, nah have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger. Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie? Why would be be drawn into religious war Is Indonesia planning for an invasion of Australia?

We would be drawn into it because we wouldn't want to wait until it is too late, and because we don't want to stand by and watch another holocaust unfold  in the interests of political correctness.

How many non-Sunnis would you tolerate ISIS killing and uprooting before you wanted to intervene? Where do you think ISIS would stop?


adelcrow wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:08am: am I radical?? that's debateable have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah Have I stoned to death a female, Nah Have I married a 9yo girl, nah have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger. Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie? The vast majority of Muslims dont behave that way either..

Plenty want to, and it is the people with the spine to stand up to them who are preventing them from doing so.


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I would like to discuss the alternatives to Abbott's War Tax

How about reality? That is always a good alternative to your little fantasies.


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The vast majority of Muslims in the countries you mention are the victims of terrorism and the insurgents.

Of course, Muslims are always the victims, even when they are hacking people's heads off.


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A small number of radicalised Muslims are terrorising the majority of moderate Muslims.

Crap. On what basis do you speak for Muslims?

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:06pm: It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group. I have no recollection of anyone calling for appeasement on the thread so far. If I am incorrect, can you point it out.

Yeah I am sure you are correct, as far as this thread goes. I suppose I should have followed forum form and started a whole new thread to make my point.

I invite you to think outside of the square for just a moment. Consider the number of times the "left" have been accused (for example) of appeasement. Arguably some of those times have been correct, however, not all.

As such, this is just another thread discussing how people with differing beliefs may address their differences. Consequently I made the observation that, based on belief, culture, ideology and wealth (monetary), it seems that the most radical of the opposing camps view that there are only two choices. I would suggest that this is a polarising effect that only radicals will buy into.

In short, not all Muslims are or have a desire to be terrorist. Likewise, not all terrorists (demonstrably) are Muslims or have carried out acts of terrorism in the name of Allah per se.

It has been said over and over again, there are no winners. Yet still there is this ongoing argument that offers nothing but a win lose position. Clearly, that equates to being a lose lose in reality, yet neither side seems to grasp this. To my mind that is because, they have allowed their beliefs to trump all else.

Intervening is fine, just not war mongering just for the sake of it without understanding the full ramifications.

IS is just the a product of previously bad thought out reactions. By reacting to this situation in a similar way will produce an even worse foes down the track.

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm: Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:06pm: It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group. I have no recollection of anyone calling for appeasement on the thread so far. If I am incorrect, can you point it out. Yeah I am sure you are correct, as far as this thread goes. I suppose I should have followed forum form and started a whole new thread to make my point. I invite you to think outside of the square for just a moment. Consider the number of times the "left" have been accused (for example) of appeasement. Arguably some of those times have been correct, however, not all. As such, this is just another thread discussing how people with differing beliefs may address their differences. Consequently I made the observation that, based on belief, culture, ideology and wealth (monetary), it seems that the most radical of the opposing camps view that there are only two choices. I would suggest that this is a polarising effect that only radicals will buy into. In short, not all Muslims are or have a desire to be terrorist. Likewise, not all terrorists (demonstrably) are Muslims or have carried out acts of terrorism in the name of Allah per se. It has been said over and over again, there are no winners. Yet still there is this ongoing argument that offers nothing but a win lose position. Clearly, that equates to being a lose lose in reality, yet neither side seems to grasp this. To my mind that is because, they have allowed their beliefs to trump all else.

In no disagreement to your post, can I as what is a terrorist?

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:21pm: ____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:08pm: Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:06pm: It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group. I have no recollection of anyone calling for appeasement on the thread so far. If I am incorrect, can you point it out. Yeah I am sure you are correct, as far as this thread goes. I suppose I should have followed forum form and started a whole new thread to make my point. I invite you to think outside of the square for just a moment. Consider the number of times the "left" have been accused (for example) of appeasement. Arguably some of those times have been correct, however, not all. As such, this is just another thread discussing how people with differing beliefs may address their differences. Consequently I made the observation that, based on belief, culture, ideology and wealth (monetary), it seems that the most radical of the opposing camps view that there are only two choices. I would suggest that this is a polarising effect that only radicals will buy into. In short, not all Muslims are or have a desire to be terrorist. Likewise, not all terrorists (demonstrably) are Muslims or have carried out acts of terrorism in the name of Allah per se. It has been said over and over again, there are no winners. Yet still there is this ongoing argument that offers nothing but a win lose position. Clearly, that equates to being a lose lose in reality, yet neither side seems to grasp this. To my mind that is because, they have allowed their beliefs to trump all else. In no disagreement to your post, can I as what is a terrorist?

Of course, but, can I clarify, do you want the dictionary term, what my view of that might be or would it suffice to say that, in my opinion, the term "terrorist" is somewhat fluid in its application? You know, the old saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

I was using the term in what I reckon is the general vernacular, i.e. someone who commits an act of extremism involving violence against a predominantly helpless (undefended) citizenry...

To be fair, that last is most likely what my definition (or understanding) of the modern vernacular is.

why at the beginning of WWII were Germans in  Australia rounded up.

Were they deemed a threat to Australia now that war had been declared on their country of origin??

Would Muslims pose the same threat in Australia if we went to war against Islam, why aren't the leaders of muslim rallies against the west rounded up today and shipped back to some desert poo hole where they and their stone age religion belongs?

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

why at the beginning of WWII were Germans in  Australia rounded up. Were they deemed a threat to Australia now that war had been declared on their country of origin?? Would Muslims pose the same threat in Australia if we went to war against Islam, why aren't the leaders of muslim rallies against the west rounded up today and shipped back to some desert poo hole where they and their stone age religion belongs?

not sure if you are aware of this but German is not a religion and Muslim is not a country,.

stay on track mate

adelcrow wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:21am: ____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:30am: I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war. A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path. So how will the conservatives finance their war? What is pointless about defending our country and way of life? Do you want us to end up like Iraq, where IS militants are giving you a choice: convert to Islam or die? The vast majority of Muslims in the countries you mention are the victims of terrorism and the insurgents. A small number of radicalised Muslims are terrorising the majority of moderate Muslims. In fact if Howard and Bush hadnt invaded the region the problem wouldnt exist coz Saddam was very good at killing terrorists and those that didnt want to live in a secular Iraq.

Saddam was also extremely good at killing his OWN people!!! He didn't need terrorists for that, he used his Republican Guard. The only reason he fought terrorists was because he didn't want them taking his power.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Of course, Muslims are always the victims, even when they are hacking people's heads off.

Its a simple statement of fact FD.

- estimated 49 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Pakistan - including those who were fighting them:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/527016/pakistani-victims-war-on-terror-toll-put-at-49000/

- well over 100 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Iraq since 2008:
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm

Muslims suffer far more than anyone else as a result of islamic terrorism. Simple statement of fact.

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

why at the beginning of WWII were Germans in  Australia rounded up. Were they deemed a threat to Australia now that war had been declared on their country of origin?? Would Muslims pose the same threat in Australia if we went to war against Islam, why aren't the leaders of muslim rallies against the west rounded up today and shipped back to some desert poo hole where they and their stone age religion belongs?

Yes - my German family had some trouble there.. even though the men were off fighting for Australia or in protected work like police.  An uncle, my father's oldest brother, died on 11/9/1940 at the height of the Battle of Britain. My aunt, his sister, was challenged on the street as a Nazi... furthest thing from her mind.

Strange behaviour.  I'm currently writing a novel that includes a Hawaiian Japanese family taken into internment.....

In Australia we've had loads of  shonky insurance claims, millions lost due to crime, millions spent on security to monitor radical islamics, people rorting the dole etc. Has the Islamic/arab  presence in Australia really been that beneficial??

Gandy,  how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts?
Any clues?  Or do we always,  always wait for the attrocity and then say it is just a tiny minority?
This supposedly tiny minority has been giving Islam a bad name since the 7th century and is still at it wherever muslims go. 

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:21am: ____ wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 10:30am: I am not defending muslims, I am opposing another pointless war. A pointless century long war which has to be financed if we take the conservative's path. So how will the conservatives finance their war? What is pointless about defending our country and way of life? Do you want us to end up like Iraq, where IS militants are giving you a choice: convert to Islam or die? The vast majority of Muslims in the countries you mention are the victims of terrorism and the insurgents. A small number of radicalised Muslims are terrorising the majority of moderate Muslims. In fact if Howard and Bush hadnt invaded the region the problem wouldnt exist coz Saddam was very good at killing terrorists and those that didnt want to live in a secular Iraq. Saddam was also extremely good at killing his OWN people!!! He didn't need terrorists for that, he used his Republican Guard. The only reason he fought terrorists was because he didn't want them taking his power.

As a result of the uprising after Gulf war 1 didn't Saddam take
over 10,000 rebels & massacre them in the desert?

He didn't muck around with his fellow Muslims.
They all feared him with good reason.

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

Gandy,  how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts? Any clues?

But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms?

You and others have made it pretty clear for a long time that you don't consider any muslim "good". You lot have made it perfectly clear that being muslim is entirely incompatible with being "good" - though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:47pm: Gandy,  how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts? Any clues? But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms? You and others have made it pretty clear for a long time that you don't consider any muslim "good". You lot have made it perfectly clear that being muslim is entirely incompatible with being "good" - though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side.

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?  How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start?  Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Of course, Muslims are always the victims, even when they are hacking people's heads off. Its a simple statement of fact FD. - estimated 49 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Pakistan - including those who were fighting them: http://tribune.com.pk/story/527016/pakistani-victims-war-on-terror-toll-put-at-49000/ - well over 100 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Iraq since 2008: http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm Muslims suffer far more than anyone else as a result of islamic terrorism. Simple statement of fact.

Of course. Muslims are victims, by definition.

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?  How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start?  Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know?

I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe.

Personally, I happen to believe in a quaint little idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.


freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

Of course. Muslims are victims, by definition.

They are not - but it blows a hole in this idea that muslims are all collectively guilty of terrorism or supporting terrorism - because of the idea that they have some sinister vested interests in doing so. The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims.

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:54pm: Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:47pm: Gandy,  how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts? Any clues? But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms? You and others have made it pretty clear for a long time that you don't consider any muslim "good". You lot have made it perfectly clear that being muslim is entirely incompatible with being "good" - though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side. So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?

Good point, old boy. We used to detain you Huns every time you declared war on Mother. Now that we’ve declared war on terrorism, we detain terrorists too.

Next time Pakistan, Syria, Gaza, Labia, etc, declares war on us, I say we detain them too.

It is a jolly world, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?  How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start?  Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know? I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe. Personally, I happen to believe in a quaint little idea that you are innocent until proven guilty. freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:05pm: Of course. Muslims are victims, by definition. They are not - but it blows a hole in this idea that muslims are all collectively guilty of terrorism or supporting terrorism - because of the idea that they have some sinister vested interests in doing so. The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims.

Unfortunately with Muslim terrorists once they are proven guilty hundreds may already be dead.
In this case an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Can anyone here tell me how an idea is quarantined outside Australia?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Of course, Muslims are always the victims, even when they are hacking people's heads off. Its a simple statement of fact FD. - estimated 49 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Pakistan - including those who were fighting them: http://tribune.com.pk/story/527016/pakistani-victims-war-on-terror-toll-put-at-49000/ - well over 100 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Iraq since 2008: http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm Muslims suffer far more than anyone else as a result of islamic terrorism. Simple statement of fact.

Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.







ISLAM is a murderous death cult.

Yadda said....

Quote:

Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM. EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community. And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of, Hamas, or the Taliban, or Al-Qaeda, or Boko Haram, or ISIS, or Al Shabaab, or [in Australia] Brothers for Life, OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM; ....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

Moslems CHOOSE to be moslems, coz they are moslems.

Coz ....the moslem heart - SEE'S NOTHING WRONG - with being a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

All moslems, are - wannabe - murderers.

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that murder is 'lawful'.

That is what ISLAM teaches, to every moslem.

"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


".......And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76








And that [the right to 'lawfully' murder], is what moslems choose, as being acceptable.....


Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

Watch the words coming out of his lips.....

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg




ISLAM sanctions [makes LAWFUL] murder.


"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb





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QUESTION #1;
Why is it, that ISLAM is not declared to be a proscribed [banned] organisation, in Australia ?


QUESTION #2;
Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:47pm: Gandy,  how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts? Any clues? But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms?

Perhaps you are a good moslem, gandalf ?

You always preach the 'inner' virtue of ISLAM.

:)




So when are you leaving Australia gandalf, to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ?

It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem.

8-)

Good point, Y. Muslims choose to be Muslims because they are Muslims.

I’d never quite thought of it like that.

Yadda wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

So when are you leaving Australia gandalf, to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ? It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem.

Call me spineless, but I prefer my head attached to my shoulders.

In any case, I'm pretty sure anyone anywhere in the world can access my online opinions - including on this very forum.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?  How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start?  Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know? I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe.

My question is - how do you tell the difference between safe, law-abiding, 'vast majority' Muslims and dangerous, Islamist 'tiny minority'? Is there a look, manner, speech, anything? Or is it impossible to tell until after one bloodies the other?

Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?  How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start?  Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know? I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe. My question is - how do you tell the difference between safe, law-abiding, 'vast majority' Muslims and dangerous, Islamist 'tiny minority'? Is there a look, manner, speech, anything? Or is it impossible to tell until after one bloodies the other?

That’s right, old boy. You Krauts had your little black uniforms with the shiny boots and billy clubs.

Your Muselman walks around in his tracksuit just like any other undesirable.

How do you tell?

The difference is, I think, that we let you Krauts take over Europe. With the Muselman, we have him under high surveillance, 24-7.

Your lot took over Europe. This lot will be lucky to get a library card at Herbie’s local library.

The price of liberty, you see, is eternal vigilance.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 7:25pm: So when are you leaving Australia gandalf, to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ? It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem. Call me spineless, but I prefer my head attached to my shoulders. In any case, I'm pretty sure anyone anywhere in the world can access my online opinions - including on this very forum.

Yes if you went to Iraq they might find that
you're the wrong faith of Muslim & your head would be hacked off.

You've seen the videos - you know what they do.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 7:25pm: So when are you leaving Australia gandalf, to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ? It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem. Call me spineless, but I prefer my head attached to my shoulders. In any case, I'm pretty sure anyone anywhere in the world can access my online opinions - including on this very forum.

I wouldn't call you spineless, gandalf.

I'd call you sensible.



But you really should consider, making the bigger sacrifice, for what is good, and best for ISLAM, gandalf.

e.g.
Your co-religionists really, really, need your calming influence, gandalf.



Sunni, Shia scholars resort to calling each other 'dogs', and one of them thinks that the ISIS leader, is set to 'inherit' religious authority in Saudi Arabia!!!!.......but nobody likes Hamas.      :(

Dog! Traitor! - Islamists' Debate on ISIS and Hamas Turns into Exchange of Insults
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYvBpU_UwzI


Where are they going wrong, gandalf ???

Are you sure that you really couldn't 'help out', couldn't you even do it from a remote studio, so as to be sure that you can 'maintain' your bodily proportions ???    ;)

Because it is clear that your co-religionists really, really, need your wise counsel, as one of the very few, rightly guided moslems,  gandalf!!!!



;D

How come we have to go to hell, but Y gets to travel around the world giving wise counsel to Moslems?

Tell me that, Y.

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

Its called Taqqiya AC - Yadda or freediver will explain it all to you.

Basically its a cunning ruse to suck you all in and then suddenly impose the caliphate when your guard is down.

....or a cynic might say that its a way to ensure the muslim is condemned no matter what he does. But we call that spineless apologetics.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:11pm: Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist. Its called Taqqiya AC - Yadda or freediver will explain it all to you. Basically its a cunning ruse to suck you all in and then suddenly impose the caliphate when your guard is down. ....or a cynic might say that its a way to ensure the muslim is condemned no matter what he does. But we call that spineless apologetics.

It was way safer, much more pleasant and family friendly than the booze fueled German and Croatian festivals we have here.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims.

I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted.

Life in the new Islamic caliphate-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251

I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:41pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251 I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees.

The new Islamic Caliphate follows strict Islamic laws.

Please cite what Islamic laws they are breaking!

Why are only men being executed where are the women? as reported they have been sold into slavery and married to the holy warriors doing jihad which is all perfectly legal under Islamic law.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:41pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251 I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees. The new Islamic Caliphate follows strict Islamic laws. Please cite what Islamic laws they are breaking!

99.9999999% of Muslims live happily within the laws of the many different countries that they live in.
If your gonna quote mass murdering extremists and then try and pin those quotes on the peaceful law abiding majority its no wonder you're quaking with fear all the time.

Crikey...lets quote Charles Manson's beliefs and pin that on all God fearing Americans  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:49pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:41pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251 I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees. The new Islamic Caliphate follows strict Islamic laws. Please cite what Islamic laws they are breaking! 99.9999999% of Muslims live happily within the laws of the many different countries that they live in. If your gonna quote mass murdering extremists and then try and pin those quotes on the peaceful law abiding majority its no wonder you're quaking with fear all the time.

If you look at the Pew surveys the majority of muslims want sharia law,there are threads on that survey in this forum.

This new Caliphate has strict sharia law.

Please cite what Islamic laws are being broken by this new caliphate!

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

Exactly. Now this is a prime example of spineless apologism, Adelcrow. You clearly need to be educated on these matters.

Google: Taqiyya.

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adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

Only because they are not radicalised yet.

Give them a few more years & they'll be hacking heads off in Australia.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:49pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:41pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251 I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees. The new Islamic Caliphate follows strict Islamic laws. Please cite what Islamic laws they are breaking! Why are only men being executed where are the women? as reported they have been sold into slavery and married to the holy warriors doing jihad which is all perfectly legal under Islamic law.

Where is Annie ?

Where is Annie ?

Where is Annie ?!!!




This is shocking Annie.

Surely you are going to condemn these Jihadis - most of whom have travelled from [moslem communities, in] countries like Australia, to join to participate in the ISLAMIC revolution - and to participate in the divying up of all that female booty!

They are 'your people' Annie.

You have stood with them, defended them.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

Peace loving moslems ?!?!?!

Good luck with that!




Quote:

Holy War Arrives in Germany by Soeren Kern August 10, 2014 Supporters of the jihadist group "Islamic State" [IS] have clashed with Kurdish Yazidis in North Rhine-Westphalia, the state with the largest Muslim population in Germany. .....counter-terrorism officials [are] concerned that radical Muslims are deliberately exploiting the ethnic and religious tensions in the Middle East to stir up trouble on the streets of Europe.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4590/germany-jihad


Surely, it is a misprint ?

'radical Muslims' !!!!!

There ain't no such creatures on god's earth!!!!          :P




"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

- The Muslim Council of Britain
http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

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Holy War Arrives in Germany by Soeren Kern August 10, 2014 .....In another editorial entitled, "Looking the Other Way Will No Longer Work," the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung summed it up this way:     "Anyone who thought the civil war in Syria or the barbarity of the Islamic State in Iraq does not affect us, you are now wrong. No matter how far away Qaraqosh [Iraq's largest Christian city] and Sinjar [home to the Yazidis in Iraq] may be: What happens there also affects us here in Germany. Sympathizers of the Islamic State have attacked the Yazidi in Herford, which means that Qaraqosh, Sinjar and Herford are now inseparable.     "For far too long, Germany's political leaders, and especially the leaders of German Muslim organizations, have sat by and idly watched the proliferation of the Salafist-jihadist hatred culture, in the purported belief that it poses no danger. It is absolutely outrageous that local politicians have played down the risk of Islamism, while the capabilities of the security authorities are increasingly being overstretched by the need to deal with this threat.     "Muslim organizations should hang their heads in shame. Rather than bluntly stating that the barbarians in northern Iraq are 'not Muslims,' they whistle away to say that Islam is 'only peace.' In the future, this kind of obfuscation will no longer suffice, especially if German Muslims, who are subject to the German legal system, wish to avoid being held accountable for the killings in the name of Islam.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4590/germany-jihadiAnd this threat - from the moslem community - in Australia, already exists, here, in Australia!

If you do not believe that, then just watch this video, of Australian moslems, telling local moslems that;

"Jihad is the duty [upon every moslem] decreed by Allah"



[25-July-2014] Australian Islamist Leader rouses the troops of the moslem nation [the ummah], moslems resident in Australia.


"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day. ...There is no God but Allah, and Jihad is the duty decreed by Allah.  ....it is a delusion to think that Palestine can contain the Jews as well as its people [moslems].  ....Palestine cannot contain the moslems and the Jews. ....Khaybar, khaybar oh Jews!! Khaybar, khaybar oh Jews!!"

NOTE WELL, those 'fighting' words [above] are being uttered by a member of the moslem community, on Australian soil.

Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpwi+++







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Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. ISLAM is a murderous death cult. Yadda said.... [quote] Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM. EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community. And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of, Hamas, or the Taliban, or Al-Qaeda, or Boko Haram, or ISIS, or Al Shabaab, or [in Australia] Brothers for Life, OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM; ....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

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A name now lost to me, from a country that may also have changed names.

Took on death wielding Islamic's with a simple but effective method to stop them killing on religious grounds.

After their execution he sowed them into a pig and dumped it at sea!

Australians would do it a little different, after their execution we would feed them to a pig and post its poo to the religious leaders promoting the call to kill on religious ground!

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side.

You've got to be joking:



Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?

That's the kind of immature mentality you're dealing with here.

To everyone agitating for a "war on Islam", you only have to look at the victims of Gaza to get an idea of what that would mean.

ISIS needs to be dealt with - the sooner the better. We (the West) created the vacuum that enabled them to gain power, so it is up to us to try and restore stability for the people of the region. That hardly equates to a war on Islam.

Yadda wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:49pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:41pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251 I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees. The new Islamic Caliphate follows strict Islamic laws. Please cite what Islamic laws they are breaking! Why are only men being executed where are the women? as reported they have been sold into slavery and married to the holy warriors doing jihad which is all perfectly legal under Islamic law. Where is Annie ? Where is Annie ? Where is Annie ?!!! This is shocking Annie. Surely you are going to condemn these Jihadis - most of whom have travelled from [moslem communities, in] countries like Australia, to join to participate in the ISLAMIC revolution - and to participate in the divying up of all that female booty! They are 'your people' Annie. You have stood with them, defended them.

Yadda? YADDAAA? Is that you?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:06am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:54pm:   though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side. You've got to be joking: Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:01pm: So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan,  syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?    That's the kind of immature mentality you're dealing with here. To everyone agitating for a "war on Islam", you only have to look at the victims of Gaza to get an idea of what that would mean. ISIS needs to be dealt with - the sooner the better. We (the West) created the vacuum that enabled ]them to gain power, so it is up to us to try and restore stability for the people of the region. That hardly equates to a war on Islam.

How do you arrive at that?

How far do you think a radical Islamic movement in Iraq would have gotten under Saddam?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

How far do you think a radical Islamic movement in Iraq would have gotten under Saddam?

Nowhere from what I can recall.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:13am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 12:45am: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:49pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:43pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:41pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:15pm: The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims. I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim,i guess that myth has been busted. Life in the new Islamic caliphate- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTKEb1hkmE#t=251 I doubt that mass murdering psychopaths really care about any laws or traditions that do not suit their killing sprees. The new Islamic Caliphate follows strict Islamic laws. Please cite what Islamic laws they are breaking! Why are only men being executed where are the women? as reported they have been sold into slavery and married to the holy warriors doing jihad which is all perfectly legal under Islamic law. Where is Annie ? Where is Annie ? Where is Annie ?!!! This is shocking Annie. Surely you are going to condemn these Jihadis - most of whom have travelled from [moslem communities, in] countries like Australia, to join to participate in the ISLAMIC revolution - and to participate in the divying up of all that female booty! They are 'your people' Annie. You have stood with them, defended them. Yadda? YADDAAA? Is that you?

You'll have to speak louder, dear. He's a little hard of hearing.

Write in bold or somthing.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

How far do you think a radical Islamic movement in Iraq would have gotten under Saddam?

What does it say about people in that region if their choices are ISIS/Hamas/Hezb'allah/Islamic Jihad/Taleban  or Saddam/Assad/Karzai/Morsi/Arafat?

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

Adelaide- there's your answer.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

99.9999999% of Muslims live happily within the laws of the many different countries that they live in. If your gonna quote mass murdering extremists and then try and pin those quotes on the peaceful law abiding majority its no wonder you're quaking with fear all the time.

How do you tell the difference between safe, law-abiding, 'vast majority' Muslims and dangerous, Islamist 'tiny minority'? Is there a look, manner, speech, anything? Or is it impossible to tell until after one bloodies the other?

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:47am:

We’ll fight Islam for 100 years, says ex-army head Peter Leahy AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam that will be fought on home soil as well as foreign lands, the former head of the army, Peter Leahy, has warned. Professor Leahy, a leading defence and strategic analyst, told The Weekend Australian the country was ill-prepared for the high cost of fighting a war that would be paid in “blood and treasure” and would require pre-emptive as well as reactive action. www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/well-fight-islam-for-100-years-says-exarmy-head-peter-leahy/story-e6frg8yo-1227018630297# How will this be funded ... an abbott war tax ?

Good idea......now who would he get to pay this tax? Non Australians like you eh?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 2:47pm: Gandy,  how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts? Any clues? But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms? You and others have made it pretty clear for a long time that you don't consider any muslim "good". You lot have made it perfectly clear that being muslim is entirely incompatible with being "good" - though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side.

I am not asking you about what you think I think.  I am asking you about what you think.

Does every act of violent jihad catch you by surprise? Or can you tell the 'tiny minority' from the 'vast majority' before the blood starts flowing?

If yes, how do you do it?