Men!

Like me. ;D

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IN all honesty, I doubt you've ever met a woman.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

IN all honesty, I doubt you've ever met a woman.

I've had about five relationships in my time if you must know. So doubt all you want to.

Heres one for you Bus,

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Taipan wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:49am: IN all honesty, I doubt you've ever met a woman. I've had about five relationships in my time if you must know. So doubt all you want to.

Hookers don't count  ;D ;D ;D

Taipan wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:49am: IN all honesty, I doubt you've ever met a woman. I've had about five relationships in my time if you must know. So doubt all you want to.

I bet I can name them. Thumb, index finger, middle finger, ring finger, pinky.

See, now normal guys would say "Wow that's hot!" or simply "Nice!" in reguard to the Russian chick, but you two don't even give it a mention. Seriously, you guys have got to be faggots.

Taipan wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

See, now normal guys would say "Wow that's hot!" or simply "Nice!" in reguard to the Russian chick, but you two don't even give it a mention. Seriously, you guys have got to be faggots.

Respectful guys only think it. Plus I don't know what saying shes hot has to do with it. One of my gay friends loves breasts.

Taipan wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

See, now normal guys would say "Wow that's hot!" or simply "Nice!" in reguard to the Russian chick, but you two don't even give it a mention. Seriously, you guys have got to be faggots.

Normal guys wouldn't give a crap what you think! ;)

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:49am:

IN all honesty, I doubt you've ever met a woman.

Agreed lol!

Would one of women's biggest issues be:

[list bull-greencheck]

Fear of financial insecurity in the west.
[list bull-greencheck]

Fear of physical insecurity in the rest

Come back Taipan, Australia needs you.

Taipan wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:49am: IN all honesty, I doubt you've ever met a woman. I've had about five relationships in my time if you must know.

That may be true.

However, he said "I doubt you've ever met a woman."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlrygIsxMjE

As a woman, I think women's biggest issues are....


1. Why can't men be as good as we are?

2. Why do we women have to pretend that men are as good as we are?

3. Given the above... do we REALLY need men in our lives?


There's a few more...but these 3 will do for now.

All true.

But all beautiful,  fertile ground needs ploughing.

We have he plough.

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 6:52pm:

All true. But all beautiful,  fertile ground needs ploughing. We have the plough.

;D

I nearly fell out of my chair after reading that.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 7:41am:

... do we REALLY need men in our lives?

A vibrator can't put out the garbage.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 7:41am:

As a woman, I think women's biggest issues are.... 1. Why can't men be as good as we are? 2. Why do we women have to pretend that men are as good as we are? 3. Given the above... do we REALLY need men in our lives? There's a few more...but these 3 will do for now.

LOL,       Lisa.            :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:41am: ... do we REALLY need men in our lives? A vibrator can't put out the garbage.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Ooooh speaking of garbage,  I reckon that's where my engagement & wedding rings might be.

I've looked freaking everywhere for them today.

I know I put them somewhere safe. Well I thought I did.

Oh God, that migraine is coming back again  :'(

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 7:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:41am: ... do we REALLY need men in our lives? A vibrator can't put out the garbage.

True,  but we can put a vibrator out in the garbage. :)

thinkin' about a new topic BUT no.So..  in reasonable mode I think this post is probably right to put here. altho it's more about Australian issues,, BUT
.. when you come down to it.. that means women's issues..  AND SO

ANZAC DAY .. the Centennial. 

All these remembrances of lost family,  made me realise the WW1 fiasco at Gallipolli cost us a whole lot more than the actual lives lost, or the grief.   :(


All those young, unique men who lost their lives in a mess of blood and raw courage,  have left us with a hugely weakened gene pool .. 'US'  being Australians.
Where are the descendants of these young unique men?  They never existed. :(

Why do we send our best and bravest young men,  and now women, off to die on foreign soil..?

So...............
we wonder why we have so many useless men in power..?? 
They send the good off to die,  lest they lose their power.  The folly of the weak..
>:(

Remember.


 

Emma wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 7:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:41am: ... do we REALLY need men in our lives? A vibrator can't put out the garbage. True,  but we can put a vibrator out in the garbage. :)

don't forget to turn it off or you might startle your garbo  :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 9:21pm:

Emma wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 7:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:41am: ... do we REALLY need men in our lives? A vibrator can't put out the garbage. True,  but we can put a vibrator out in the garbage. :) don't forget to turn it off or you might startle your garbo  :D :D

You know, you're one very funny bloke lmao   ;D

sorry JS  but you have to stop living in the past

Garbos don't exist anymore.! ;D

Emma wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

sorry JS  but you have to stop living in the past Garbos don't exist anymore.! ;D

bullshit ... who do you think drives the trucks? You realise he has cameras into the back of the truck don't you? Imagine the poor bloke if he see's a garbage bag moving around in amongst all the other rubbish

;D ;D ;D

6 o'clock news ... 'garbo drives through house'

ahhh ..interesting..

yeah there is a person that drives the truck,
that uses the big arm ,
to pick up the wheelie bin.
:-? ::)

That is NOT a  GARBO.
They don't exist anymore.

Jeez, he has a camera.. to look at the garbage the big arm empties into the maws of the crusher.?

Hope my   semi-android garbotruck driver didn't get a shock when my bin was emptied today.  It may well have moved, just a little.

But sadly,  ..not from your fantasy.. muscular electrical signals continue to move dead snakes.

I had the unfortunate job of finishing off a rather large red-belly black today.  My dog discovered it, and ripped it in half with that incredible headshake.  After getting the dog inside the house I had to  sort it.  I saw the top half trying desperately to hide ..  I left it, as it was a fair size and very active,  then I found the rear half ,  and then I used  long BBQ tongs to catch and place the living half into a garbage bag.. along with its rear half.  It was still keen to escape so I had to bash it on the head with a spade, then chop off the head, before I could get it into the bag.
The truck came by not long after.  :( :(

I DOUBT HE SAW ANYTHING... 

shock and awe... no replies....   ;D :D

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 24^th, 2015 at 7:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 7:13pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:41am: ... do we REALLY need men in our lives? A vibrator can't put out the garbage. ;D ;D ;D ;D Ooooh speaking of garbage,  I reckon that's where my engagement & wedding rings might be. I've looked freaking everywhere for them today. I know I put them somewhere safe. Well I thought I did. Oh God, that migraine is coming back again  :'(

I'm very relieved to say that both rings have now been located.

It seems a certain little girl's dolly recently acquired 2 new "bangles".

wow  that's such good news lisa.

You found your rings,  and  gasp!! it was your daughter.. fancy that.?  ::) ::)


No we don't need men..  at least.. not the dregs left of the Australian male,  that I see too too often. The type that you can see every day, if you care to notice. The 'blokes' that blame  their women for everything wrong in their lives.

Women-hating  whinging violent big babies that seem to think the world owes them.. and  especially  WOMEN owe them.   I KNOW the MEN who were ANZACS would despise you all.

Mind you,  I'm talking about the older aussie male.  The baby boomer male..  That being my demographic. 

Included in that definition are  immigrants from England,  or the UK in general, and their off-spring.

There is some awful streak of malice and contempt for women,  that I see..  and this is hard to express really..  but it is so prevalent in Australian society that men kill their female partner on an average of 2 per week.  Mothers,  daughters, girlfriends.. 

WHY..???   and why isn't more being done..? 
because..

coming back to my original premise... all the good genes and good blokes  were killed off in two world wars.  What we had left as women,  were those not fit to serve. 
And here we are,  all this time later..  seeing the result of such culling.

Poor stock leads to poor outcomes.  Look at our leaders and our society and wonder what might have been.  :)
Sad isn't it.?

Still .. most people don't live in the real world.  No responses.??

many Australian women would benefit by trying to be a little more feminine. Talking about poor stock, the average Aussie woman after about 3 generations turns into a rough as guts foul mouthed gutter slag.

at last  a reply.
Rhino old buddy how the hell are ya.?  :)


rhino wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

many Australian women would benefit by trying to be a little more feminine. Talking about poor stock, the average Aussie woman after about 3 generations turns into a rough as guts foul mouthed gutter slag.

Ah   so you prefer  Asian or Muslim women..?   Had a trip or two to Thailand ?? Eh?

Well matey, when one lives with rough as guts yobbos for a while no doubt one gets a tougher hide.

So, your response  epitomises my point, don't you realise.??
:)

rhino wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

many Australian women would benefit by trying to be a little more feminine. Talking about poor stock, the average Aussie woman after about 3 generations turns into a rough as guts foul mouthed gutter slag.

Okkkkkay.

So as I'm a 1st gen Aussie woman, my daughter is 2nd gen Aussie...thus making my granddaughter (if and when she is ever born) a rough as guts foul mouthed gutter slag.

I understand the process now. ::)

yeah so .. the issue is REAL  isn't it Lisa.. ! :(
I tend to be an 'observer'  of humanity, rather than a participant.   Nowadays anyway. 

I think in different ways to most,  and ,  sometimes I think could almost be an alien. ;D

and you know with further thought,  it would apply to all the nations that sent off their youth to die..  not just Australia.
We see it all over the world.

That issue being... the good stock was largely killed off in our wars we seem to like so much.
We are all working towards a lower  type of human.. despite all the media fodder we get fed about how wonderful we all are.
.   The rise in pure thuggery  and personally motivated gross and greedy acts reflects the falling level of humanity we all contain within us.  Soon we will be little better than those animals we despise, or fear.  Altho I suggest we are there already. :(
Depending on HOW you look at things  :)


Rhino is a good example of what I am saying about how women are viewed in Australia,  by many many OZZIE men.

I've had over fifty yrs to understand the process.. and so Lisa I'd advise you .. be prepared.. it is ingrained in too many cases.

well I could go on and on.. but   I won't. 

Emma wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:

Rhino is a good example of what I am saying about how women are viewed in Australia,  by many many OZZIE men.

And for good reason, Australian women need to understand that real men like their females to be feminine.

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No Rhino  ...  you need to  open up your mind, such as it is.

This is about women's issues...  and our biggest issue isn't how to be feminine for REAL MEN.  ::) ;D :D

In any case , a female is by definition, feminine.

Perhaps you'd like to suggest how Aussie women should behave in order to be 'more feminine.? To make you hard done by blokes happier.??

Now THAT would be interesting , eh?

Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick.

No..  you mean you've got your prick.! :D

And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women.

rhino wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick.

Delusional disorder:

"Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Non-bizarre delusions are considered to be plausible; that is, there is a possibility that what the person believes to be true could actually occur a small proportion of the time."

Emma wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 12:20am:

No..  you mean you've got your prick.! :D

A womans vig ina is probably the best performance Engine in the world. It can be started with one finger. It is self lubricating. It takes any size piston. It has its own personal purrrrr It changes its own oil every four weeks. What a shame the management system is so flipping temperamental.

rhino wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick.

  Most Aussie women cannot abide the average Aussie bloke- too stupid and clue less by far- Im sure not for every Aus. bloke, but most of you- get a clue, be a more cultured and aware species and I think you will find that the female gutter slag's of straya will lift her game- am guessing your single Rhino? Why so angry Rhino?

Yes, aussie women are punching above their (considerable) weight if they land an aussie man.  That's why they get so snarky and vindictive when Australian men pass them over for foreign brides.  On the world stage Australian men are renowned for their height, muscularity and masculinity, while Australian women are renowned for their promiscuity, weight and masculinity.

Agnes wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

rhino wrote on Apr 28th, 2015 at 11:46pm: Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick.   Most Aussie women cannot abide the average Aussie bloke- too stupid and clue less by far- Im sure not for every Aus. bloke, but most of you- get a clue, be a more cultured and aware species and I think you will find that the female gutter slag's of straya will lift her game- am guessing your single Rhino? Why so angry Rhino?

I have a partner thanks. A feminine one. I also get plenty of offers, you are way off  ;). I dont really care if Aussie women lift their game or not, just making observations.

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 12:50am:

And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women.

Good on you Rhino.
that's a good thing to write and a good thing to read.

... wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Yes, aussie women are punching above their (considerable) weight if they land an aussie man.  That's why they get so snarky and vindictive when Australian men pass them over for foreign brides.  On the world stage Australian men are renowned for their height, muscularity and masculinity, while Australian women are renowned for their promiscuity, weight and masculinity.

I'm just trying to figure out if I qualify as an Aussie woman in your post.  I'm full blooded European but I was born and bred in Oz.

:-/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:50am: And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women. Good on you Rhino. that's a good thing to write and a good thing to read.

Hear hear!

Marla wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 1:41am:

rhino wrote on Apr 28th, 2015 at 11:46pm: Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick. Delusional disorder: "Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Non-bizarre delusions are considered to be plausible; that is, there is a possibility that what the person believes to be true could actually occur a small proportion of the time."

does that mean you don't like Aussie men, Marla?

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 2:19am:

Emma wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:20am: No..  you mean you've got your prick.! :D A womans vig ina is probably the best performance Engine in the world. It can be started with one finger. It is self lubricating. It takes any size piston. It has its own personal purrrrr It changes its own oil every four weeks. What a shame the management system is so flipping temperamental.

;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D

I've never heard it put quiet that way before ... but I honestly can't argue with a thing you've said

Emma wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 11:24pm:

No Rhino  ...  you need to  open up your mind, such as it is. This is about women's issues...  and our biggest issue isn't how to be feminine for REAL MEN.  ::) ;D :D In any case , a female is by definition, feminine. Perhaps you'd like to suggest how Aussie women should behave in order to be 'more feminine.? To make you hard done by blokes happier.?? Now THAT would be interesting , eh?

I wonder if I'm feminine these days?

I'm far too busy with children, housework, gardening, shopping etc to really care.

I thought men were into PRACTICAL and ENERGETIC women who can competently manage household budgets, issues etc

My husband is. I guess that's why he married me.

Perhaps I should ask him just in case I'm wrong lol?

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 12:50am:

And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women.

But you support warranted violence?

What's warranted, in your opinion?

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 12:50am:

And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women.

Ah....  bigears .. from your own words you show us, everytime. You are as thick between the ears as a Rhino  that's for sure. ;D 8-) :-?

What then  is 'warranted violence against women.. in your opinion.'.?   >:(
Care to give us a scale of what  act deserves what punishment. ?? 

You prick. :D

Jeez GP.. we  got that one right.  I see you now indentify yourself correctly, as a male.  Unlike Honky,  who continues the show as female.  Perhaps he's a drag queen./trans gender who really identifies with females,  BUT I DOUBT IT. ::)

AND JS ..you are showing your ignorance..shame on you.. 

Marla wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 1:41am:

rhino wrote on Apr 28th, 2015 at 11:46pm: Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick. Delusional disorder: "Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Non-bizarre delusions are considered to be plausible; that is, there is a possibility that what the person believes to be true could actually occur a small proportion of the time."

Thanks for your input Marla.

........ Have to tell you there are  high levels of non-bizarre delusional Aussie males. 

I concur with opinion of AG  (below)
Rhino is TYPICAL.


Agnes wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

Most Aussie women cannot abide the average Aussie bloke- too stupid and clue less by far- Im sure not for every Aus. bloke, but most of you- get a clue, be a more cultured and aware species and I think you will find that the female gutter slag's of straya will lift her game- am guessing your single Rhino? Why so angry Rhino?

Perhaps Rhino thinks he 's a long lost Hemsworth.!! ;D ;D ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

I thought men were into PRACTICAL and ENERGETIC women who can competently manage household budgets, issues etc

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/facepalm.gif

Yeah, that's why men are always saying "Phwoooaar look at her - I bet she could manage a budget."


Not that I believe that's what you genuinely think, but if you do, I'd be very angry with whoever filled your head with such nonsense. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:50am: And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women. But you support warranted violence? What's warranted, in your opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA

Emma wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

Perhaps Rhino thinks he 's a long lost Hemsworth.!! ;D ;D ;D

Im not lost.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:50am: And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women. But you support warranted violence? What's warranted, in your opinion?

I didnt mention warranted violence.

Emma wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

Marla wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 1:41am: rhino wrote on Apr 28th, 2015 at 11:46pm: Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick. Delusional disorder: "Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief. Non-bizarre delusions are considered to be plausible; that is, there is a possibility that what the person believes to be true could actually occur a small proportion of the time." Thanks for your input Marla. ........ Have to tell you there are  high levels of non-bizarre delusional Aussie males.  I concur with opinion of AG  (below) Rhino is TYPICAL. Agnes wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:11am: Most Aussie women cannot abide the average Aussie bloke- too stupid and clue less by far- Im sure not for every Aus. bloke, but most of you- get a clue, be a more cultured and aware species and I think you will find that the female gutter slag's of straya will lift her game- am guessing your single Rhino? Why so angry Rhino?

It must be penis envy I reckon. You biddies sure have a major problem with alpha males.

trying to be funny now are you bigears??

trying to weasel out of what you said by saying things so patently stupid that we laugh..?? 

funny ha haa..  shows what level of humanity that you dwell in..   the self-excusing violent male who feels entitled.. 

you prick

you prick..   that is what you are... a mindless appendage  in society,  whose only perceived duty is to spread  your seed.. anywhere.. anytime. 
Do you hae a higher function I wonder.?? 

Not in your own mind that's for sure.  I wonder how long this girl could last with you,  that you claim to have as a 'partner'.  What a joke. You wouldn't know what a partner was.   




rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

But you support warranted violence? What's warranted, in your opinion? I didnt mention warranted violence.

Good luck girl... if you exist outside of Rhino's delusion. :D

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

Agnes wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:11am: [quote author=Rhino link=1407626664/36#36 date=1430228803]Aussie men arent hard done by. Women around the world love us, just ask them and they will tell you. The main reason they like Aussie men is because they will tell you, we are still men. European and American males have allowed themselves to be emasculated by the femo nazis. I dont need some tattooed bogan low class slag to make me happy, Ive got my pick.   I have a partner thanks. A feminine one. I also get plenty of offers, you are way off  ;). ...

and there we have it ladies and gentlemen.... 

God's Gift to Women..!!!   ;D ;D  But  NOT Australian females that's for sure. 

Let me guess.. your partner is an Asian lady..  Filipina.. Thai ??  come on  own up...  you piece of poop.

Womens Biggest Issue is finding a guy that doesn't need Viagra to bar up for them.

It's like I said Bobby.. we Aussie women mostly only have the dregs left.. the gene pool is weak,  male sperm is becoming less and less viable.. aye  it's a sorry tale. :(

Emma wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

and there we have it ladies and gentlemen....  God's Gift to Women..!!!   ;D ;D  But  NOT Australian females that's for sure.  Let me guess.. your partner is an Asian lady..  Filipina.. Thai ??  come on  own up...  you piece of poop.

Cut down on the booze you silly old biddy, my partner is an Aussie girl if it makes a difference. Let me guess, your ex pissed you off for an Asian chick, right?

Emma wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:12pm:

It's like I said Bobby.. we Aussie women mostly only have the dregs left.. the gene pool is weak,  male sperm is becoming less and less viable.. aye  it's a sorry tale. :(

maybe its the dregs that hang around you. Like attracts like.

poor effort there bigears

I learned
long time ago
everyone
deserves a fair go

not everyone
gets one
though

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 11:39pm:

Emma wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 10:40pm: and there we have it ladies and gentlemen....  God's Gift to Women..!!!   ;D ;D  But  NOT Australian females that's for sure.  Let me guess.. your partner is an Asian lady..  Filipina.. Thai ??  come on  own up...  you piece of poop. Cut down on the booze you silly old biddy, my partner is an Aussie girl if it makes a difference. Let me guess, your ex pissed you off for an Asian chick, right?

If it makes a difference..??  ::)
Well,  considering your views on Australian females ...of course it does.  ::)

Frankly I don't believe you.  or perhaps I should say...

nothing you say
can be taken as writ
You are just
so full of sh#t

:) ;D

You wonder why you cant get a decent bloke, look at the state of you.

what? where? why? how? who?

silly boy.. I am way past being interested in 'getting' a decent bloke. They are virtually non-existent in my age group.
I am something you no doubt abhor.. a single, self-sufficient and independent person.. in fact ..  I am like no one you have ever met..   

If  a decent bloke did happen to pop up ,  I'd give him a fair go, :) but let's just say,  I 'm  NOT holding my breath.. ::)

He would have to be extraordinary.!  :) :)

Sure, thats why you get maggotted and come on here with your anti man rhetoric. Because you dont care.

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 9:04pm: rhino wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 12:50am: And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women. But you support warranted violence? What's warranted, in your opinion? I didnt mention warranted violence.

So getting back to the issue.. you didn't need to mention the violence you believe is fair and reasonable (warranted in other words) because it is implicit.. in your words.

You perpetrate violence on women.. or  should I say more correctly,  you believe violence is warranted against women given certain circumstances. You evaded the questions from myself and GP before, but your words speak for you anyway.

No need for me to defend something I did not post.

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

You perpetrate violence on women.. or  should I say more correctly,  you believe violence is warranted against women given certain circumstances.

Show where i stated any of this? you really are an old moll.

and you continue to evade..  so what sort of violence is OK against women.??


Warranted?  You know  ..  Like you have some sort of power to decide..??  come on,  tell us what is acceptable to you..  or else... 
own up to being a BS artist who is just stirring for a bit of fun..  a  wanker in other words...  because..?? given your posts  you can only be one or the other.

So what are you..??  a wanker..?  or an abuser..?? 

OH  and whether I partake of the vino or not, is neither your business, nor your place to comment upon. You obviously get my message..  just It isn't one you want to hear. :)

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

No need for me to defend something I did not post.

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 12:50am:

And yes, I detest unwarranted violence towards women.

  PLEASE SEE YOUR POST ABOVE.
This is where you made the blue.

Perhaps you have a poor understanding of language Rhino?
You qualified your statement by adding unwarranted.

To say you detest UNWARRANTED VIOLENCE towards women clearly means, in any normal thinking, that there IS therefore WARRANTED VIOLENCE  towards women.

You can't say one without the other applying, whether or not you said it. That is what you said... even if you didn't understand what you were saying.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.? 

You could have said I detest violence towards women.. simple... but  NO.. you said UNWARRANTED violence. SO to repeat,  in hope of your understanding,  you are also saying,  there is WARRANTED violence towards women.

THAT is what I would LIKE YOU to understand, so unless your intention was to imply this perhaps you should think more carefully before you post your  anti-female comments. 

i didnt qualify the statement. It appears quite clear to me.

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:49am:

WARRANTED VIOLENCE towards women clearly means, in any normal thinking, that there IS therefore WARRANTED VIOLENCE  towards women.

i dont think so jalane1311, thats your thinking, not normal thinking.


Quote:

You can't say one without the other applying, whether or not you said it. That is what you said... even if you didn't understand what you were saying. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.?  You could have said I detest violence towards women.. simple... but  NO.. you said UNWARRANTED violence. SO to repeat,  in hope of your understanding,  you are also saying,  there is WARRANTED violence towards women. THAT is what I would LIKE YOU to understand, so unless your intention was to imply this perhaps you should think more carefully before you post your  anti-female comments.

I havent posted any anti female comments, you asked the questions now you dont like the answers. bad luck.

What did you say here Rhino.??


rhino wrote on Apr 28^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

many Australian women would benefit by trying to be a little more feminine. Talking about poor stock, the average Aussie woman after about 3 generations turns into a rough as guts foul mouthed gutter slag.

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

havent posted any anti female comments, you asked the questions now you dont like the answers. bad luck.

Really??

or here
rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:27am:

you really are an old moll.

you can't help yourself.. and you don't even understand what it is you are saying..

Its perfectly clear to most of us just what you are.

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 1:30am:

i didnt qualify the statement. It appears quite clear to me.

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 12:49am:

Perhaps you have a poor understanding of language Rhino? You qualified your statement by adding unwarranted.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 29^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Emma wrote on Apr 28th, 2015 at 11:24pm: No Rhino  ...  you need to  open up your mind, such as it is. This is about women's issues...  and our biggest issue isn't how to be feminine for REAL MEN.  ::) ;D :D In any case , a female is by definition, feminine. Perhaps you'd like to suggest how Aussie women should behave in order to be 'more feminine.? To make you hard done by blokes happier.?? Now THAT would be interesting , eh? I wonder if I'm feminine these days? I'm far too busy with children, housework, gardening, shopping etc to really care. I thought men were into PRACTICAL and ENERGETIC women who can competently manage household budgets, issues etc My husband is. I guess that's why he married me. Perhaps I should ask him just in case I'm wrong lol?

Well I asked him.

He kinda said what I posted above....but he added a few extras...which earned him a smack on the bottom lol  :P

Back to women's biggest issues....

And this is a big one (for me).

BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME.

Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte.

Grrrrrrr >:(

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:(

Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'.

Of course I double check AFTER THEY'VE CHECKED.

Somehow..one gets missed every now and then. It must get scrunched deep into a pocket or something.

And at our place, all the washing gets done by me (following a certain "situation" <---- another word in our family for disaster).

And whilst here, another bloody issue is the chronic case of losing socks in the wash.

I always count an even figure as I pop them in but an odd figure of socks ends up later on to pack away.

It gives me the $hits BIG TIME!

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'.

Goodness me.. Lisa !! I'm with AA .. you don't NEED a husband to approve of you..  you need to approve of yourself,  first.

You obviously belong to the women who do not feel they exist without someone to 'look after', preferably male, and/or children.. 

A scam... that's all it is.
You can escape your slavehood.. but not when you need others to verify your reality and your worth..look at yourself.. don't ask your husband for approval..


You are more than a wife and mother (slave).

But I'd have to say also Lisa.. if you only get upset about tissues in the wash,  your life is extremely circumscribed,  and unusually fortunate, if thats all that bothers you. :(

Ah  but perhaps,  you have chosen to be that way...  in exchange for a sense of security.  A very false security.

THIS is important to you..?? Tissues in the washing..??  :-?
Are you being honest.?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

And at our place, all the washing gets done by me (following a certain "situation" <---- another word in our family for disaster).

ahhh, you husband was one of the clever guys .

have a friend who, when first asked by his wife to wash the clothes shortly after marriage, dumped reds, blues, blacks white and a half bottle of bleach all in the machine and turned it on. His wife was mightly pissed of upon returning from work and finding the clothes all matched. Over ten yrs of marriage since and she has never asked him to wash again

when I asked him about it once he admitted he had decided to sacrifice a load of clothes so as to make sure his wife never asked him again

it worked


I, on the other hand, stupidly volunteered to do a load shortly after getting together with my wife and haven't stopped doing them since. ::) ::) ::)

What's the big deal with washing anyway - most overrated chore of all time.  You put the washing in the machine, turn it on and walk away.   Half an hour or so later you spend 5 minutes hanging it out - it's not that friggin hard.

... wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

What's the big deal with washing anyway - most overrated chore of all time.  You put the washing in the machine, turn it on and walk away.   Half an hour or so later you spend 5 minutes hanging it out - it's not that friggin hard.

and then 4 hrs later you have to get them off the line, fold and put them away.

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:30pm:

... wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 10:16pm: What's the big deal with washing anyway - most overrated chore of all time.  You put the washing in the machine, turn it on and walk away.   Half an hour or so later you spend 5 minutes hanging it out - it's not that friggin hard. and then 4 hrs later you have to get them off the line, fold and put them away.

Well somebody has to. 

unbelievable Lisa.. 

I suspect YOU are also a MALE...  masquerading as a female... just like Honky.

No real woman would be THAT ..........  ( add your own descriptive)  unless they were under control by a psychopath.

Mind you  :-? that is entirely possible.   By the sound of it.
Are u a crazy.. or a willing partner ,  or a pawn.?

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'. Goodness me.. Lisa !! I'm with AA .. you don't NEED a husband to approve of you..  you need to approve of yourself,  first. You obviously belong to the women who do not feel they exist without someone to 'look after', preferably male, and/or children..  A scam... that's all it is. You can escape your slavehood.. but not when you need others to verify your reality and your worth..look at yourself.. don't ask your husband for approval.. You are more than a wife and mother (slave). But I'd have to say also Lisa.. if you only get upset about tissues in the wash,  your life is extremely circumscribed,  and unusually fortunate, if thats all that bothers you. :( Ah  but perhaps,  you have chosen to be that way...  in exchange for a sense of security.  A very false security. THIS is important to you..?? Tissues in the washing..??  :-? Are you being honest.?

maybe Lisa likes being a home maker, its a very valuable occupation and one which a lot of women should try instead of dumping their kids into childcare.

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:57pm:

unbelievable Lisa..  I suspect YOU are also a MALE...  masquerading as a female... just like Honky. No real woman would be THAT ..........  ( add your own descriptive)  unless they were under control by a psychopath. Mind you  :-? that is entirely possible.   By the sound of it. Are u a crazy.. or a willing partner ,  or a pawn.?

No real woman would what?  Do basic, essential chores?

so Honky why don't you be honest and admit you are a male.

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Emma wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 9:57pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'. Goodness me.. Lisa !! I'm with AA .. you don't NEED a husband to approve of you..  you need to approve of yourself,  first. You obviously belong to the women who do not feel they exist without someone to 'look after', preferably male, and/or children..  A scam... that's all it is. You can escape your slavehood.. but not when you need others to verify your reality and your worth..look at yourself.. don't ask your husband for approval.. You are more than a wife and mother (slave). But I'd have to say also Lisa.. if you only get upset about tissues in the wash,  your life is extremely circumscribed,  and unusually fortunate, if thats all that bothers you. :( Ah  but perhaps,  you have chosen to be that way...  in exchange for a sense of security.  A very false security. THIS is important to you..?? Tissues in the washing..??  :-? Are you being honest.? maybe Lisa likes being a home maker, its a very valuable occupation and one which a lot of women should try instead of dumping their kids into childcare.

Maybe..?
but where do you get off thinking YOU have any right to tell women what they should do.?  That is what amazes me.  To you.. women are a sort of.. 'one size fits all'..  if you can understand what I am saying.

Your reference to dumping kids on childcare is also very offensive. 

I think what I am really trying to get across is...

Marriage is a very bad idea. For all parties ..

This whole set of family values we all seem to profess to hold so dear, just doesn't stack up in reality.

Our current 'model' is a recent invention,  and a failure and a furphy. Our world has changed BIGTIME.. and it doesn't work anymore. If in fact it ever did.

Look to the past.. we were tribal. We had extended families.  Now, here,  that is very rare.

Our brave new world has NO TIME for families,  whatever your fave pollies tell you.

When I reference family.. I don't mean one man and one woman with x no. of kids... I mean  FAMILY. Generations , in other words.

It is a big ask, in this time, to raise a family, and good luck to you all, but don't expect all the rest of us to pay you for the privilege.
You want'm... YOU pay for'm.


And don't whinge about it.. it's your choice.  Lucky you Lisa... once upon a time you would have been pumping out babies till you died.

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 6:09pm: And at our place, all the washing gets done by me (following a certain "situation" <---- another word in our family for disaster). ahhh, your husband was one of the clever guys . have a friend who, when first asked by his wife to wash the clothes shortly after marriage, dumped reds, blues, blacks white and a half bottle of bleach all in the machine and turned it on. His wife was mightly pissed of upon returning from work and finding the clothes all matched. Over ten yrs of marriage since and she has never asked him to wash again when I asked him about it once he admitted he had decided to sacrifice a load of clothes so as to make sure his wife never asked him again it worked I, on the other hand, stupidly volunteered to do a load shortly after getting together with my wife and haven't stopped doing them since. ::) ::) ::)

My husband? Clever? Yeah right!

We got a brand new washing machine as a wedding present....one with all the bells and whistles.

It was delivered and installed...and then my husband almost irreversibly damaged my pride and joy within 24 hrs because he couldn't figure out how to use the touch screen pads on it. The tragic thing is this happened AFTER he read the manual which came with the appliance AND it could have voided the Warranty on it.

Yep. Clever. Not!

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Emma wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 9:57pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'. Goodness me.. Lisa !! I'm with AA .. you don't NEED a husband to approve of you..  you need to approve of yourself,  first. You obviously belong to the women who do not feel they exist without someone to 'look after', preferably male, and/or children..  A scam... that's all it is. You can escape your slavehood.. but not when you need others to verify your reality and your worth..look at yourself.. don't ask your husband for approval.. You are more than a wife and mother (slave). But I'd have to say also Lisa.. if you only get upset about tissues in the wash,  your life is extremely circumscribed,  and unusually fortunate, if thats all that bothers you. :( Ah  but perhaps,  you have chosen to be that way...  in exchange for a sense of security.  A very false security. THIS is important to you..?? Tissues in the washing..??  :-? Are you being honest.? maybe Lisa likes being a home maker, its a very valuable occupation and one which a lot of women should try instead of dumping their kids into childcare.

I can't think of anything more impt than being a full time mum. It's the best job in the world IMO. It's also very demanding and sadly undervalued as far as I'm concerned. By God it's rewarding....it really is  :)

I believe that as mothers, we can do part time stuff (eg work or study) here and there around our children's timetables.

Ultimately though...our children come 1st.

Why bring children into the world only to subcontract the motherhood function out? That's not right IMO.

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'. Goodness me.. Lisa !! I'm with AA .. you don't NEED a husband to approve of you..  you need to approve of yourself,  first. You obviously belong to the women who do not feel they exist without someone to 'look after', preferably male, and/or children..  A scam... that's all it is. You can escape your slavehood.. but not when you need others to verify your reality and your worth..look at yourself.. don't ask your husband for approval.. You are more than a wife and mother (slave). But I'd have to say also Lisa.. if you only get upset about tissues in the wash,  your life is extremely circumscribed,  and unusually fortunate, if thats all that bothers you. :( Ah  but perhaps,  you have chosen to be that way...  in exchange for a sense of security.  A very false security. THIS is important to you..?? Tissues in the washing..??  :-? Are you being honest.?

You obviously missed my post on missing socks.

Emma, to suggest that motherhood or marriage is slavery smacks of bitterness. Plenty of women find both of these rewarding and fulfilling and to judge them negatively for that is ridiculous.

Emma wrote on Apr 30^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

[ but where do you get off thinking YOU have any right to tell women what they should do.?  That is what amazes me.  To you.. women are a sort of.. 'one size fits all'..  if you can understand what I am saying.

where do you get off thinking you have a right to tell women what to do?


Quote:

Your reference to dumping kids on childcare is also very offensive.

truthful though. Main issue in this country at the moment for families is not taking responsibilty for your own kids and expecting government handouts so these people can "fulfill themsleves" meanwhile leaving their children to be brought up by strangers with no vested interest in  instilling moral values or discipline in the children. We need to get back to the traditional nuclear family and government efforts should be concentrated on this, not helping people avoid personal responsibility. Why on earth are we subsidising families hundreds of dollars a week in childcare, we should be paying it to them to stay home.

Lisa Jones wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 4:22pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 11:01pm: Emma wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 9:57pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:10pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 4:57pm: Back to women's biggest issues.... And this is a big one (for me). BLOODY TISSUES IN POCKETS .....THEY PI$$ ME OFF BIG TIME. Yep... I go through hell when tissues are left in pockets and then a whole load of dark washing comes out looking like ice frosted $hyte. Grrrrrrr >:( Have you thought about checking pockets before you wash? That's what we do - man, woman and children because washing isn't a 'women's issue'. Goodness me.. Lisa !! I'm with AA .. you don't NEED a husband to approve of you..  you need to approve of yourself,  first. You obviously belong to the women who do not feel they exist without someone to 'look after', preferably male, and/or children..  A scam... that's all it is. You can escape your slavehood.. but not when you need others to verify your reality and your worth..look at yourself.. don't ask your husband for approval.. You are more than a wife and mother (slave). But I'd have to say also Lisa.. if you only get upset about tissues in the wash,  your life is extremely circumscribed,  and unusually fortunate, if thats all that bothers you. :( Ah  but perhaps,  you have chosen to be that way...  in exchange for a sense of security.  A very false security. THIS is important to you..?? Tissues in the washing..??  :-? Are you being honest.? maybe Lisa likes being a home maker, its a very valuable occupation and one which a lot of women should try instead of dumping their kids into childcare. I can't think of anything more impt than being a full time mum. It's the best job in the world IMO. It's also very demanding and sadly undervalued as far as I'm concerned. By God it's rewarding....it really is  :) I believe that as mothers, we can do part time stuff (eg work or study) here and there around our children's timetables. Ultimately though...our children come 1st. Why bring children into the world only to subcontract the motherhood function out? That's not right IMO.

Well I am happy for you Lisa..  you have found your niche.. your raison d'etre.. and good luck to you. 

I am saying that not all women fit that mould.. that's all..  and pressure to do so should not be tolerated.

the way im viewing it there is more pressure on women not to be homemakers, somehow the feminists view women who choose to stay home in a nurturing role as inadequate and berate them choosing to do so. Emmas comments in this thread are a prime example, denigrating another poster for simply choosing to be a wife and a mother.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 8:55pm:

Emma, to suggest that motherhood or marriage is slavery smacks of bitterness. Plenty of women find both of these rewarding and fulfilling and to judge them negatively for that is ridiculous.

uh yeah I maybe got a bit carried away ..  sorry Lisa.. I hope your happiness continues, but you misinterpret me AA..

I wasn't saying motherhood is slavery...  MARRIAGE  on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish.

I was referring to MARRIAGE.. not motherhood..

and .. NO  you may choose to interpret my posts as bitter.. but I assure you.. I have nothing but admiration for those who can make it work. ! :)

OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood.


So  what are these Biggest Issues... ??

Well..??

Is that it?
Any one else think women may have other issues..??

..like perhaps......?

People generally have issues, who would have thought it?

Emma wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 12:45am:

OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood. So  what are these Biggest Issues... ?? Well..?? Is that it? Any one else think women may have other issues..?? ..like perhaps......?

I think some women have issues with drinking.

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 12:23pm:

Emma wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 12:45am: OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood. So  what are these Biggest Issues... ?? Well..?? Is that it? Any one else think women may have other issues..?? ..like perhaps......? I think some women have issues with drinking.

Some, but not all, have issues with women that are better looking and skinnier than they are. Those that don't have issues with good looking skinny women are the good looking and skinny women.  ;D :P

Emma wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 12:45am:

OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood. So  what are these Biggest Issues... ?? Well..?? Is that it? Any one else think women may have other issues..?? ..like perhaps......?

Interested to know what you think Emma, especially because of your..."like perhaps".....cryptic comment. Personally "women's issues" are very subjective and situation/circumstance dependant. I don't have "issues" per se, but I do believe in, and support, the "sisterhood" to an extent. I refuse to jump on bandwagons.

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 12:23pm:

Emma wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 12:45am: OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood. So  what are these Biggest Issues... ?? Well..?? Is that it? Any one else think women may have other issues..?? ..like perhaps......? I think some women have issues with drinking.

I agree. Also, some men have issues with drinking. Is that a gender specific issue though?

Tap wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 12:34pm:

rhino wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 12:23pm: Emma wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 12:45am: OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood. So  what are these Biggest Issues... ?? Well..?? Is that it? Any one else think women may have other issues..?? ..like perhaps......? I think some women have issues with drinking. Some, but not all, have issues with women that are better looking and skinnier than they are. Those that don't have issues with good looking skinny women are the good looking and skinny women.  ;D :P

ooh yeh, noticed that.

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2015 at 10:34pm:

[quote author=jalane3311@yahoo.c link=1407626664/98#98 date=1430401663][ but where do you get off thinking YOU have any right to tell women what they should do.?  That is what amazes me.  To you.. women are a sort of.. 'one size fits all'..  if you can understand what I am saying.

where do you get off thinking you have a right to tell women what to do?



So says Rhino..  But Rhino  I HAVEN"T been telling women what to do... I  have been asking them think about it.. thats ALL.

Not like you,  your god-given f'n expectations, you are telling wAustralian women what YOU think THEY should do.  MY posts don't do that..  check it dimwit.

ashlee wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 3:49pm:

Emma wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 12:45am: OK  I am also saying that women have other BIG ISSUES, not just marriage and/or motherhood. So  what are these Biggest Issues... ?? Well..?? Is that it? Any one else think women may have other issues..?? ..like perhaps......? Interested to know what you think Emma, especially because of your..."like perhaps".....cryptic comment. Personally "women's issues" are very subjective and situation/circumstance dependant. I don't have "issues" per se, but I do believe in, and support, the "sisterhood" to an extent. I refuse to jump on bandwagons.

Well I'm speaking from my heart.. i do this without plan.. I enjoy writing and I like to get a point across. Especially when persons like Rhino hop on board and Honky... eg. Men telling women they ought to be more feminine on THIS  topic.??
Talk about aking over the narrative..

.. now there is an issue for you

How many women are in Govt..??  Like eg Abbotts govt.. Abbott the Minister for Women. 


This is Australia...  Gangajang.

Emma wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 12:29am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 8:55pm: Emma, to suggest that motherhood or marriage is slavery smacks of bitterness. Plenty of women find both of these rewarding and fulfilling and to judge them negatively for that is ridiculous. uh yeah I maybe got a bit carried away ..  sorry Lisa.. I hope your happiness continues, but you misinterpret me AA.. I wasn't saying motherhood is slavery...  MARRIAGE  on the other hand, is a different kettle of fish. I was referring to MARRIAGE.. not motherhood.. and .. NO  you may choose to interpret my posts as bitter.. but I assure you.. I have nothing but admiration for those who can make it work. ! :)

No worries.

All good here.

Enjoy reading your posts.

May I ask you a quick question Emma?

Did you post on Yahoo as Reidsays?

If so, my husband says hello  :)

Thanks Lisa

That'd be a NO.

You only get me here,  exclusive,  on OZPOL.  :)

24 socks went into the washing machine early this morning. I counted them as I popped them in.

23 socks are presently sitting in the basket on the dining room table waiting to be paired up.

You figure it out.

I know I can't.

Emma wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 10:16pm:

Thanks Lisa That'd be a NO. You only get me here,  exclusive,  on OZPOL.  :)

Emma the exclusive member eh lol?

sure you haven't dropped one , dry or damp,  down the side..?  or removing them from the machine to the basket.  I myself end up with odd socks.. there is no denying...  and it has had me mystified in the past.  Altho I don't count them.

I tend to find the other 'odd'  sock sooner or later..  odd socks do keep showing up..covered in dust bunnies.

  I think I'm almost at evens at the mo.. but it is a rare occurrence. :)

and then there is the case of the disappearing clotheshangers.. !!

Sorry that's an oldie.   :) Someone even wrote a short story about it.!! Can't remember now who. 


See..?/  these are universal issues.. not just a womens.
I'm sure there are plenty of blokes out there with odd socks.!!!!! ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on May 4^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

Emma wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 10:16pm: Thanks Lisa That'd be a NO. You only get me here,  exclusive,  on OZPOL.  :) Emma the exclusive member eh lol?

Well yes I guess I would have to agree... as I don't use any other form of cyber-comms.  I'm not on any social media...

this is as close as it gets. :)

I think you might be right there Emma. This bloke even wrote a poem about his plight with missing socks.


Missing Socks

The mysteries of the universe
are many, I am told
But the greatest secret unresolved
eludes me as I fold

The clothes each day, which I removed
and in my hamper tossed
along with seven pair of socks
but now just one is lost

And as I carefully peruse
my sock drawer now and then
it isn't just a sock or two
I'm missing nearly ten

Then on some dim lit morning
when I awake and dress
I put on a mis-matched pair
quite visually confessed

For everyone can plainly see
mis-matched brown and blue
but I just laugh as I reply'
"I've a red and green pair too"

But now I pose this question
I've pondered times before
"Where do those missing socks end up
that were first dropped to the floor?"

They went into the hamper
In pairs while I could see
then in the washer had no route
of escape from me

Then to the dryer laundry passes
as I double check for strays
but as the drying cycle ends
I both eyebrows raise

For as I empty out the load
just thirteen socks I count
an odd, unlucky number
as my suspicions mount

I double check the washer
the dryer and the drawer
beneath the bed, though all the clothes
and all along the floor

But, alas, it is not to be
found among the few
neatly folded articles
of clothing so I ask you

"Where in the nether regions
of laundry do socks go?"
Don't ask the greatest scholars
for they don't even know

But if you wish to have revealed
the distance to the sun
or the ocean's greatest depth
or how many feathers in a ton

Or the specific gravity
in some mass of rocks
Science has all those answers
but not of missing socks

-Steve Hodgin

:)
ah.. :) the 'Ode to Odd Sockes'....very amusing and ..etc

so enough of the f'n sockes ...
a non-issue if ever there was one...  at least in respect of this topic.. 

how about/?

wearing a head scarf, or a hat, long sleeves and gloves.

A long tradition in western culture for women,  only relatively recently  (since the Second World War) are we now not wearing headgear as a norm.  I remember my MUM dressed to the nines...  matching  gloves, hat, handbag.. it was expected and she took pride in being stylish,  and she was. :) :(

I still have some of her gloves. 

I adore hats, !  and wraps and such.

I'd be quite happy to be covered in a swathe of fabric against the Sun....like Indian and Moslem ladies.

It only makes sense in this time ,  and place, of thinning atmosphere and added exposure  etc ..at the risk of permanent damage.
I've never like sun-bathing, as we used to call it in NZ... or  , more accurately here in Oz,  Sun-baking. !!


I don't worship the Sun. I love the Earth.

I know if I were a mother I would be in despair if my daughter walked around half naked.
I admit to being unhappy when I go to town and see so many young girls, pre-teen and upwards, in very public places,  with their fat bellies and skimpy clothes, their apparent lack of awareness as to how gross they actually are.

I admit I have some angst about this, because it so clearly demonstrates just how feckless and moronic their parents are. 
Sadly we have a 2nd wave of feral children...  the product of the first real generation of ferals we have produced in this best of all worlds.  You see them everywhere..  and it is sad.  For them , and for us.

The extent to which the society  WE all live in  has degenerated is indeed worrisome. 
Education doesn't reach these people, and our government represents the worst possible example of self-interest and denial of responsibility.

We have lower levels overall of enlightened reasoning humanity as a result.

What govt policy recently has actually benefited the needy.?

Listen to Pyne or Morrison.. possible PM's ?????????  Goodness me,, how far have we strayed from the true path.!!! :( :( :(

Hats, scarves and gloves?

Ummm....no time for any of that anymore  :'(

Emma wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:08am:

I know if I were a mother I would be in despair if my daughter walked around half naked. I admit to being unhappy when I go to town and see so many young girls, pre-teen and upwards, in very public places,  with their fat bellies and skimpy clothes, their apparent lack of awareness as to how gross they actually are. I admit I have some angst about this, because it so clearly demonstrates just how feckless and moronic their parents are.  Sadly we have a 2nd wave of feral children...  the product of the first real generation of ferals we have produced in this best of all worlds.  You see them everywhere..  and it is sad.  For them , and for us. The extent to which the society  WE all live in has degenerated is indeed worrisome.  Education doesn't reach these people, and our government represents the worst possible example of self-interest and denial of responsibility. We have lower levels overall of enlightened reasoning humanity as a result. What govt policy recently has actually benefited the needy.? Listen to Pyne or Morrison.. possible PM's ?????????  Goodness me,, how far have we strayed from the true path.!!! :( :( :(

You have a lot of guts IMO.

You're not afraid to say what many of us think.

Emma wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 1:08am:

I know if I were a mother I would be in despair if my daughter walked around half naked. I admit to being unhappy when I go to town and see so many young girls, pre-teen and upwards, in very public places,  with their fat bellies and skimpy clothes, their apparent lack of awareness as to how gross they actually are.

MISOGYNY!!!!

... wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 9:44am:

Emma wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:08am: I know if I were a mother I would be in despair if my daughter walked around half naked. I admit to being unhappy when I go to town and see so many young girls, pre-teen and upwards, in very public places,  with their fat bellies and skimpy clothes, their apparent lack of awareness as to how gross they actually are. MISOGYNY!!!!

Not misogyny - sexism. Fat boys walking around in skimpy clothing are just as grotesque.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 4:21pm:

... wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 9:44am: Emma wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:08am: I know if I were a mother I would be in despair if my daughter walked around half naked. I admit to being unhappy when I go to town and see so many young girls, pre-teen and upwards, in very public places,  with their fat bellies and skimpy clothes, their apparent lack of awareness as to how gross they actually are. MISOGYNY!!!! Not misogyny - sexism. Fat boys walking around in skimpy clothing are just as grotesque.

How is it sexist?  It's not that they're women that's the problem, it's that they're fat and/or ugly.

I'd say it's more fatscist.

perhaps I should have added daughter / son.
But as I have neither, I AM looking at women and females generally.

I find these huge young men in their gear, munching on McDonalds, equally disturbing and when you see these families you'll notice that the parents are just the same.  :(

This is the legacy we have created,, and frankly I can't see this turning around.

I remember when it was pretty unusual for young folk, including children, to die of cancer.

Look at us now.
We may end up, in 20 yrs or so, with a big gap in our demographics, as all these young people succumb to their lifestyle.

Perhaps when it finally sinks in that children are dying from old peoples diseases.... :(  we may reconsider.



BUT

as thats happening now, and nothing is done to rein-in this culture of fat ..fat food, fat people .. fat profits for multi-nats..
  I DOUBT IT.  :(

Lisa Jones wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

Emma wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:08am: I know if I were a mother I would be in despair if my daughter walked around half naked. I admit to being unhappy when I go to town and see so many young girls, pre-teen and upwards, in very public places,  with their fat bellies and skimpy clothes, their apparent lack of awareness as to how gross they actually are. I admit I have some angst about this, because it so clearly demonstrates just how feckless and moronic their parents are.  Sadly we have a 2nd wave of feral children...  the product of the first real generation of ferals we have produced in this best of all worlds.  You see them everywhere..  and it is sad.  For them , and for us. The extent to which the society  WE all live in has degenerated is indeed worrisome.  Education doesn't reach these people, and our government represents the worst possible example of self-interest and denial of responsibility. We have lower levels overall of enlightened reasoning humanity as a result. What govt policy recently has actually benefited the needy.? Listen to Pyne or Morrison.. possible PM's ?????????  Goodness me,, how far have we strayed from the true path.!!! :( :( :( You have a lot of guts IMO. You're not afraid to say what many of us think.

What is the point of fear..?? 

At its most basic, it is a survival mechanism. A gut reaction to a perceived threat.
If one allows nebulous fears of what might be to dominate , one lives in constant fear,  and that is debilitating and compromises rational thought processes, sometimes becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, so to speak.


I felt really sad when I saw those crowds demonstrating recently against SHARIA LAW  F Fks SAKE !!!

These people are mindless with fear.


The old saying is so true

THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF

Emma wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 10:16pm:

Thanks Lisa That'd be a NO. You only get me here,  exclusive,  on OZPOL.  :)

fantastic. We should be grateful.

:)
but are you?? Admit it.. you loves me..   ;D

hey big ears,  how come you want to say ANYTHING AT ALL on this theme.?? 

Well ,  of course,, you actually DON'T say anything much really , do you.? Hmm?  nothing of value.. just a little burple here and there.
Hey I think I made a word up .......BURPLE....
:)

sure. When you arent drunk you make some half decent posts. 

I felt really sad when I saw those crowds demonstrating recently against SHARIA LAW  F Fks SAKE !!!

These people are mindless with fear.


The old saying is so true

THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF[/quote]


This comes home to me because my very best friend seems convinced that eventually her sons will be killed by Islamic fanatics who are going to take over Australia.!!!!!!!!!


I cannot believe that this intelligent business woman , born and bred in QLD,  is actually expressing this stuff to me, as if its a forgone conclusion. She has nightmares FFS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I try to undo her fear, but I can't help wondering where this comes from. Who or what is making her feel this way.?? 

 

hmmm didn't go down so well eh? But it is true. 

Fear makes us fools.


Did you hear?  that  Hillsong is/are going to manage one of the executed Bali 9 ringleaders memorial.? The christian convert I presume.

So someone on the news said. The dude didn't deserve clemency. He hooked up with the best way he could..  Hillsong. Says it ALL as far as I am concerned.

I mean really..?? 

The whole saga has been a tragedy. And it started here in Oz. The Indonesian govt ended it.

What can you say?  our own Federal Police set these guys up.  They claim it was too risky to wait till they came back to Australia,  ??  huh?  They knew when they went .. they presumably had the means to identify them on the way home.  Their excuses don't hold water.
I wonder what the real story is.

However there is apparently no doubt as to their guilt..  so why have we had this huge display of angst ?? 
These two men knew exactly what they were doing. You don't get to that level of criminality without a lot of prior experience. They knew what they were doing.. they just didn't count on the AFP betraying them to a capital punishment country.
I admit I was disgusted at the tactics of the AFP... still am.
The blunt refusal to offer any sort of apology seems to be a rather desperate attempt at justification, after the fact.

Is this tough love.??   :(

Perhaps they view themselves as the ultimate arbiters of right and wrong..??

Of course this was all about politics....  nothing else. 
NOTHING ELSE.!!!!

Indonesian Govt despises the Australian govt of the day... and rightly so.  I do too.
  I despise the Indonesian MORE tho.

BUT.. this is a long time building story.  There are so many examples of nascent conflict in the politics between Australia and Indonesia.  Look to the past and see all the incidents and conflicts that have brought us here..

We see these 'happenings' in isolation.  Look at the bigger political picture,  and understand that all the grandstanding by Abbott and Bishop, all the media frenzy and the whipping up of public alarm,  could only have had one outcome.. the execution of the men. 

It was such a pathetic attempt at manipulation by this govt, that the outcome was NEVER in DOUBT.

But I am sure Aussies thought Abbott and Bishop were genuine.  What utter garbage.

I wonder..? if these were white boys..?? would they have been thrown to the wolves.??

Emma wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 1:26am:

I wonder..? if these were white boys..?? would they have been thrown to the wolves.??

I've thought the same myself nut remembered that it was the father of a 'white guy' who reported the transport of the drugs and still the AFP dobbed them into Indonesia.

I don't think this was racially motivated.

I do think the AFP have blood on their hands though.

As to what are women's biggest issues ... i would say the wage gap is paramount. Women still are not positioned to earn the same wages for the same pay that men are.

Another big issue is violence. Women are still over-represented in violence statistics. An astonishing number of women have died so far this year at the hands of those they once trusted. An equally astonishing number continue to live in fear.

Women are still over-represented in parental care giving. Despite the MRA claiming that women take children form willing and supportive men, the facts are that most women are unsupported entirely by the fathers of their children. The CSA is toothless. Women bear the cost of child rearing. Women bear the cost of child care. Women are the primary givers of care and often not supported in the slightest.

I would like to say loudly that one of the biggest hurdles for women is the MRA. They are deranged. As fanatical feminists have misrepresented what the bulk of us want to say, these loonies have shot men's rights in the foot. There can be no civilised discourse while we are all busy hating eachother.

And may i say, one of the biggest hurdles women face is the backlash towards feminism. As Kaz Cook so brilliantly said "If you say you are not a feminist but don't like to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong".

... or words to that effect.

Emma wrote on May 5^th, 2015 at 11:18pm:

I felt really sad when I saw those crowds demonstrating recently against SHARIA LAW  F Fks SAKE !!! These people are mindless with fear. The old saying is so true THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF

This comes home to me because my very best friend seems convinced that eventually her sons will be killed by Islamic fanatics who are going to take over Australia.!!!!!!!!!


I cannot believe that this intelligent business woman , born and bred in QLD,  is actually expressing this stuff to me, as if its a forgone conclusion. She has nightmares for goodness sake.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I try to undo her fear, but I can't help wondering where this comes from. Who or what is making her feel this way.?? 

  [/quote]


Rupert Murdoch and all his minions of paranoia and disturbance.

I feel for your friend, but she has been unnecessarily frightened.

I agree with all you have said mothra...

I have tried to  umm advise her that she is having these fears for no valid reason...it is a difficult issue to discuss over a pub lunch, and  .. well  .. if I get the opportunity I will follow - up, but really one has to wait for your friend to 'open the door' so to speak.

Emma wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

I agree with all you have said mothra... I have tried to  umm advise her that she is having these fears for no valid reason...it is a difficult issue to discuss over a pub lunch, and  .. well  .. if I get the opportunity I will follow - up, but really one has to wait for your friend to 'open the door' so to speak.

Yeah, i hear you. Maybe present her with some more 'moderate' reading material about the topic? I red a really good article recently about the real threat of terrorism. It expressed the idea that the threat is markedly less than is feared by the many. I'll see if i can find it ... if i can only remember what it was called or who put it out.

I really feel for her. The media has done a major number on a susceptible populace. They must be delighted up top.

Here you go Emma. Try slipping this to her:


Jihadist threat not as big as you think
By Peter Bergen and Emily Schneider
updated 8:33 AM EDT, Mon September 29, 2014

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/26/opinion/bergen-schneider-how-many-jihadists/

mothra wrote on May 6^th, 2015 at 2:54am:

Another big issue is violence. Women are still over-represented in violence statistics.

I doubt that.  What is your source?

... wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 4:10pm:

mothra wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:54am: Another big issue is violence. Women are still over-represented in violence statistics. I doubt that.  What is your source?

Hows the Australian Bureau of Statistics grab you?

Previous research finds that…
Around one in five Australian women and one in twenty Australian men have experienced violence at the hands of an intimate partner (ABS, 2013).

Between 2005 and 2012 there was no statistically significant change in the proportion of women and men who reported experiencing partner violence (ABS, 2013).

Around 65% of men and women who have experienced current partner violence have experienced more than one incident; with women who have experienced violence by a previous partner more likely than men to have experienced more than one incident (73% compared with 51%; ABS, 2013).

Around half of men and one-quarter of women who have experienced current partner violence have never told anyone about the violence (ABS, 2013).

In 2011-12, three quarters of intimate partner homicide victims were women (AIC, 2015).

In 2012 an estimated 25% of all women aged 18 years and over and 14% of all men aged 18 years and over had experienced emotional abuse by an intimate partner since the age of 15 (ABS, 2013).


http://www.relationships.org.au/what-we-do/research/online-survey/january-2015-domestic-violence

You should have said domestic violence then, and it would have been obvious.  Interestingly, lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence.  Any ideas why that might be?

The ABS also says that in the last full year that statistics are available (2012) more than twice as many men as women were victims of homicide.  Shocking, no? 

... wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:

You should have said domestic violence then, and it would have been obvious.  Interestingly, lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence.  Any ideas why that might be? The ABS also says that in the last full year that statistics are available (2012) more than twice as many men as women were victims of homicide.  Shocking, no?

I should have said domestic violence, true. An oversight. Apologies.

Firstly, your source for lesbians being the statistically highest group of violence perpetrators please?

Secondly, the majority of male homicides are perpetrated by men. As is the case with male violence and male sexual assault.

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Firstly, your source for lesbians being the statistically highest group of violence perpetrators please?

It was a US study:

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_SOfindings.pdf

TBH I don't think it is quite the same story here, because there is have one factor that will heavily skew the dv rates in Australia that is not present in other countries - aborigines.


Quote:

New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-home/

Take out the aboriginal component and I'd expect the rates to be much the same as the US study.


mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

Secondly, the majority of male homicides are perpetrated by men. As is the case with male violence and male sexual assault.

So?  You said women are "over represented" but this is incorrect.  That is all. 

It seems one of "womens biggest issues" is exaggerating their problems.

Women are not under-represented in DV, which is what i meant to specify. I have already clarified that.

All the information that i can find on same sex partner abuse suggest that both gay and lesbian violence is on par with heterosexual violence. The one thing that came out is that lesbians are more likely to report than gay men ... likewise women are more likely to report than men in heterosexual relationships.

It is still considered to be the case that domestic violence is grossly under-reported across the field.

It is true that Aboriginal women are at significantly higher risk. From memory, they are 45% more likely to be abused than other demographics.

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Here you go Emma. Try slipping this to her: Jihadist threat not as big as you think By Peter Bergen and Emily Schneider updated 8:33 AM EDT, Mon September 29, 2014 http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/26/opinion/bergen-schneider-how-many-jihadists/

Thanks for that.

As we see in further posts, Honky is misrepresenting himself.. A liar from start to finish. Claims to be  female. 

Liar.
Thing is.. liars like this believe their lies, else they have exactly NOTHING.

Only a male .. and a culpable one at that,  would claim the stuff HE does.
:P PUKE

... wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:07pm: Firstly, your source for lesbians being the statistically highest group of violence perpetrators please? It was a US study: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_SOfindings.pdf TBH I don't think it is quite the same story here, because there is have one factor that will heavily skew the dv rates in Australia that is not present in other countries - aborigines. Quote: New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-home/ Take out the aboriginal component and I'd expect the rates to be much the same as the US study. mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:07pm: Secondly, the majority of male homicides are perpetrated by men. As is the case with male violence and male sexual assault. So?  You said women are "over represented" but this is incorrect.  That is all.  It seems one of "womens biggest issues" is exaggerating their problems.

You remind me very much , with this sort of comment, of someone who is the nastiest  person/man I, and many others have ever faced in their lives before.  A real nightmare.

I wonder you don't express what he did ..often.

"OOH  if only I'd been born a black female, I'd have the world at my feet. "

BET YOU wouldn't want to be a woman,.. let alone an indigenous one. Piece of scum eh??

F off Honky Wesley Pipes..  you mean there were, and are no ethnic people in the US.?? Like we have here.??  ::)

JOKE..  :(

Everything gets blamed on women, and aboriginals.. and  LOOK OUT if you happen to be BOTH... 'cos you are in for a load of grief..  Honky pipes.. why don't you just admit you are a rabid anti-women  MALE..

Not anti- feminist,  not anti- activist,  just anti- female.

what a surprise.!!

Nothing from mr Pipes. 

It seems then that there are two issues in one.

Clearly, violence is an issue of great concern.

The second clear issue would seem to be gaining consensus that,

a) ALL violence is wrong (regardless of victim gender)
b) Perpetrators demonstrably know no ethnic, religious or cultural bounds. Hence we have finger pointing based on culture, seemingly for no other reason than to deflect the conversation to one of race rather than the negative impact of violence.

It has long been established that violence can and does occur in same sex marriages.

It has also been long established statistically that the majority (currently) of victims are female. Ergo, whist violence is a problem and should not be tolerated on behalf of anyone - it is most clearly a specific issue for women (of ALL cultures).

Oh and that means violence in all of its forms.

Fair comment.

Especially 2 b)
Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  :(

I agree with you Phem .... and Emma.

But as much as it pains me to say, Honky is scratching around the genesis of a point when it comes to Aboriginal women.

HE worded it poorly and used the example atrociously BUT Aboriginal women are 45 (might be 48) times more likely than white women to experience DV.

I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial. Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused. It's a 'kick the dog' kind of thing.

It certainly happens across all classes, religions, ethnicities and other demographics but we do have a crisis in this country regarding the safety of Aboriginal women. Some revolting sorts try to blame culture for it. Not true.

There is some very fine work being done by some very fine people regarding this devastating issue. Much more needs doing though.

While we have a government that compartmentalises 'Indigenous affairs' into a single category for fund distribution and nothing else at all we will continue to have these problems. We need spear-headed task forces led by Aboriginal people and with collaboration with Aboriginal people.

Case by case. Situation by situation.

Whatever it takes.

Same discussion has been ongoing for over a decade.

Nothing has changed. Just a lot of talking....back and forth. 

And people here seem to think that's enough. They'll be back in another decade googling the latest info sites ...talking back and forth.

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Fair comment. Especially 2 b) Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  :(

Victim blaming you mean.

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 1:47am:

I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial. Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused. It's a 'kick the dog' kind of thing.

Poverty rate: 2,548,496 Australians (13.9%) living below the poverty line

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-12/poverty-levels-among-australians-on-the-rise-acoss-report-abs/5807624

abo/torres strait islander population of Australia - 669 891.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3238.0.55.001

There's a lot more poor people of other races than there are abos in total.  Why aren't poor honkies (or other ethnicities) in the same circumstance beating the poo out of their families at the same rate as abos?  Probably because they weren't raised in a culture of violence.

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 1:47am:

I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial.

Your "belief" is wrong

Quote:

Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused.

yes you do, you just find it 48 times more amongst aboriginals.
[/quote]

It is both cultural and circumstantial-- when pp are dispossessed and lose their basic human  rights they feel powerless - this causes loss of self esteem and hatred- within themselves and towards others, which in turn breeds violence.

It's pretty obvious that ones circumstances are a part of their culture.  If my "circumstances" meant I was a homeless bum, I'd have a hard time fitting into the culture of high society.  Conversely, a billionaire probably wouldn't fit into bogan culture.

i know its unpopular but the truth is abos have a cultural proclivity towards domestic violence.

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

i know its unpopular but the truth is abos have a cultural proclivity towards domestic violence.

  Your so dumb you make parrots fall from trees..sorry Rhino  :P

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards.  I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 1:47am:

I agree with you Phem .... and Emma. But as much as it pains me to say, Honky is scratching around the genesis of a point when it comes to Aboriginal women. HE worded it poorly and used the example atrociously BUT Aboriginal women are 45 (might be 48) times more likely than white women to experience DV. I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial. Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused. It's a 'kick the dog' kind of thing. It certainly happens across all classes, religions, ethnicities and other demographics but we do have a crisis in this country regarding the safety of Aboriginal women. Some revolting sorts try to blame culture for it. Not true. There is some very fine work being done by some very fine people regarding this devastating issue. Much more needs doing though. While we have a government that compartmentalises 'Indigenous affairs' into a single category for fund distribution and nothing else at all we will continue to have these problems. We need spear-headed task forces led by Aboriginal people and with collaboration with Aboriginal people. Case by case. Situation by situation. Whatever it takes.

I totally agree  Mothra..
I admit to being far removed from that reality, and

I find it a difficult issue to confront.

I don't believe it is cultural either,.  not at the heart of the issue.  The issues you raise here are undeniable..  and should not be  an avenue with which to disenfranchise the people any further.

Lisa Jones wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Emma wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 9:10pm: Fair comment. Especially 2 b) Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  :( Victim blaming you mean.

YES Lisa.. that is what I mean.  And it happens across all stratas of society and seems to be the 'classic fall-back' position for those culpable beings who do the bad.

.  Not MY fault.!!

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards.  I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

haha  you are hilarious.


rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Posted by: Rhino   Posted on: Today at 4:04pm i know its unpopular but the truth is abos have a cultural proclivity towards domestic violence.

Are you saying WE DON'T.??? Wake up.  :(


You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u.

But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve.  What a joke.

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:17am: Emma wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 9:10pm: Fair comment. Especially 2 b) Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  :( Victim blaming you mean. YES Lisa.. that is what I mean.  And it happens across all stratas of society and seems to be the 'classic fall-back' position for those culpable beings who do the bad. .  Not MY fault.!!

You cant fix problems if you wont admit they exist.

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues.


Quote:

Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u. But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve.  What a joke.

My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion.

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

Emma wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:05pm: Lisa Jones wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:17am: Emma wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 9:10pm: Fair comment. Especially 2 b) Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  :( Victim blaming you mean. YES Lisa.. that is what I mean.  And it happens across all stratas of society and seems to be the 'classic fall-back' position for those culpable beings who do the bad. .  Not MY fault.!! You cant fix problems if you wont admit they exist.

Exactly right Rhino.

and I third that one

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Emma wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:13pm: You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias. Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues. Quote: Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u. But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve.  What a joke. My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion.

That is the basis of opinion...

DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth.

Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along.

The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is.

Your OPINION contributes to said denial.

The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children...

This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards.  I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

If you don't really believe that you may possibly be smarter than i give you credit for.

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

rhino wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:42pm: Emma wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:13pm: You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias. Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues. Quote: Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u. But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve.  What a joke. My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion. That is the basis of opinion... DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth. Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along. The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is. Your OPINION contributes to said denial. The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

Well said.

So....where to from here?

mothra wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

rhino wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards.  I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them. If you don't really believe that you may possibly be smarter than i give you credit for.

And yet you are unable to understand or answer any of my simple questions. Quite a big glass house you are living in. 8-)

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

rhino wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:42pm: Emma wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:13pm: You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias. Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues. Quote: Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u. But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve.  What a joke. My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion. That is the basis of opinion... DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth. Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along. The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is. Your OPINION contributes to said denial. The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

No one said DV was exclusive to any particular group, but what is factual is that it occurs much more frequently amongst certain groups. Aboriginals outweigh all others in DV statistics, this is regardless of occupation , location or socioeconomic status. The one factor common is culture. These are facts, you should try them sometime instead of concentrating on the messenger. So if you really want to appear semi intelligent you may compose a response to me based on these facts.

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

[ The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.    

You know what?

It's nice to see a FEW males contribute.

Most seem to be staying away.

Just an observation.....

Why are you here Lisa?

Lisa Jones wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

You know what? It's nice to see a FEW males contribute. Most seem to be staying away. Just an observation.....

The more males the better hey Lisa- ?  ;)

rhino wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:53am: rhino wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:42pm: Emma wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 10:13pm: You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias. Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues. Quote: Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u. But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve.  What a joke. My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion. That is the basis of opinion... DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth. Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along. The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is. Your OPINION contributes to said denial. The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate. No one said DV was exclusive to any particular group, but what is factual is that it occurs much more frequently amongst certain groups. Aboriginals outweigh all others in DV statistics, this is regardless of occupation , location or socioeconomic status. The one factor common is culture. These are facts, you should try them sometime instead of concentrating on the messenger. So if you really want to appear semi intelligent you may compose a response to me based on these facts.

Actually, I did address your post with facts. Fact is, it is opinion.

Certainly it is a somewhat informed opinion, however, the reason I highlighted your opinion is because, as I pointed out, it deflects away from the overall issue. DV occurs across the board.

The only significance of culture, in FACT, is that it will inform people genuinely trying to find solutions to this endemic situation about any "sensitive" issues. Further, it will help inform (to the engaged person at least) potential pathways to support people from different cultures in dealing with their own demons.

The other FACT about culture is, that when it comes to issues of DV (actually most violence for that matter) it is in effect its own subculture - often at best, hiding behind (or underneath) other main cultural identity, boundaries, structures etc.  You know, creating the "taboo" that outsiders can't go there....

Further, if you want to intellectually discuss statistics, you may need to cast the net a tad further than simply demonstrating why your OPINION regarding specific races is somehow significant. Why? Because, there are a wide range of issues regarding DV - for example, inter relationship homicide. Perhaps the most extreme outcome from DV, look up the stats for that sometime.

The point though, all of your finger pointing does not even come close to addressing the single main issue, i.e. how do we solve, reduce, minimize or (as unlikely as it is) eradicate this Domestic Violence issue? That is what I take issue with.

Clearly, there is no single one size fits all solution, talking about it isn't a bad start.

Getting men and women to talk about it together with each other and not at each other isn't a bad next step.

Or we can keep pointing fingers away, make it someone else's problem, we can deny, deflect or disown (woohoo, had to practice some alliteration) and thus perpetuate the problem....

So, sure, in some areas Aboriginal women are well and truly over represented, granted, now that we have that out in the open though, it is not all that relevant to any solutions is it...

rhino wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:53am: [ The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate. And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.

Sigh, the fact is, kids being abused, neglected (witnessing DV does fall under abuse and neglect) will be removed if;

a) The matter is reported and the FACT the kids witnessed it is also reported - that will mean a mandatory report to the appropriate state child protection authority.

b) The issue scores high enough on the ROSH scale.... (ROSH = Risk of Serious Harm).

Now a couple of things to consider there are;

The ages of the children - the older they are the less likely removal is.

Aboriginal children are removed, albeit, a bit more reluctantly due to Stolen Generation issues - yep a fact. However, age is a factor still.

Now personally, with regard to child protection, I would posit that it is underfunded and consequently under resources. As such, not ALL children at risk get removed, despite numerous reports.... A sad reality.

Oh, and child protection workers are also just people too, as such, sometimes errors of judgement occur. Sadly, this can also cost kids their lives, happiness or fail to protect their well being.

And try to remember, in all of this, whether it be due to DV or other issues of child abuse, neglect or failure to provide protection - it began with the parents more often than not.

So, resolve or at least reduce the occurrences of DV and a big child protection issue is also resolved.

Not sure who is pretending there is no issue with "these people" clearly they are people, so there are issues. Why do we spend so much energy denying our own issues I wonder?

Finally, that comment was not aimed solely at you, in fact it is clearly articulated. All the angst ridden (and I will add, finger pointing) people claim as "debate" blatantly ignores discussing child safety or well being concerns.

This thread is no different, given in all the pages so far, it had not come up til I pointed it out.

So, I am please it is not lost on you, however, your response clearly demonstrates the opinion that it is mostly about them other fellas - when in FACT it is about all of us.

yes Phemanderac.. well put, and totally relevant.
This has a much wider impact than just 'Womens Issues', though.
It is truly societal.

what you say is very true. I am responsible for my own words.

I am pretty sure I brought children in to the equation earlier on , but cannot deny that I have largely ignored the child abuse that is too often involved.
I think it's because to me that seems implicit, where violent relationships exist alongside child - raising responsibilities.

Yes I would say it almost always begins with the parents, whomever they happen to be. :(

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

rhino wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 3:59pm: Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:53am: [ The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate. And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.     Sigh, the fact is, kids being abused, neglected (witnessing DV does fall under abuse and neglect) will be removed if; a) The matter is reported and the FACT the kids witnessed it is also reported - that will mean a mandatory report to the appropriate state child protection authority. b) The issue scores high enough on the ROSH scale.... (ROSH = Risk of Serious Harm). Now a couple of things to consider there are; The ages of the children - the older they are the less likely removal is. Aboriginal children are removed, albeit, a bit more reluctantly due to Stolen Generation issues - yep a fact. However, age is a factor still. Now personally, with regard to child protection, I would posit that it is underfunded and consequently under resources. As such, not ALL children at risk get removed, despite numerous reports.... A sad reality. Oh, and child protection workers are also just people too, as such, sometimes errors of judgement occur. Sadly, this can also cost kids their lives, happiness or fail to protect their well being. And try to remember, in all of this, whether it be due to DV or other issues of child abuse, neglect or failure to provide protection - it began with the parents more often than not. So, resolve or at least reduce the occurrences of DV and a big child protection issue is also resolved. Not sure who is pretending there is no issue with "these people" clearly they are people, so there are issues. Why do we spend so much energy denying our own issues I wonder? Finally, that comment was not aimed solely at you, in fact it is clearly articulated. All the angst ridden (and I will add, finger pointing) people claim as "debate" blatantly ignores discussing child safety or well being concerns. This thread is no different, given in all the pages so far, it had not come up til I pointed it out. So, I am please it is not lost on you, however, your response clearly demonstrates the opinion that it is mostly about them other fellas - when in FACT it is about all of us.

sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive.

rhino wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 9:20pm: rhino wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 3:59pm: Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:53am: [ The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate. And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.     Sigh, the fact is, kids being abused, neglected (witnessing DV does fall under abuse and neglect) will be removed if; a) The matter is reported and the FACT the kids witnessed it is also reported - that will mean a mandatory report to the appropriate state child protection authority. b) The issue scores high enough on the ROSH scale.... (ROSH = Risk of Serious Harm). Now a couple of things to consider there are; The ages of the children - the older they are the less likely removal is. Aboriginal children are removed, albeit, a bit more reluctantly due to Stolen Generation issues - yep a fact. However, age is a factor still. Now personally, with regard to child protection, I would posit that it is underfunded and consequently under resources. As such, not ALL children at risk get removed, despite numerous reports.... A sad reality. Oh, and child protection workers are also just people too, as such, sometimes errors of judgement occur. Sadly, this can also cost kids their lives, happiness or fail to protect their well being. And try to remember, in all of this, whether it be due to DV or other issues of child abuse, neglect or failure to provide protection - it began with the parents more often than not. So, resolve or at least reduce the occurrences of DV and a big child protection issue is also resolved. Not sure who is pretending there is no issue with "these people" clearly they are people, so there are issues. Why do we spend so much energy denying our own issues I wonder? Finally, that comment was not aimed solely at you, in fact it is clearly articulated. All the angst ridden (and I will add, finger pointing) people claim as "debate" blatantly ignores discussing child safety or well being concerns. This thread is no different, given in all the pages so far, it had not come up til I pointed it out. So, I am please it is not lost on you, however, your response clearly demonstrates the opinion that it is mostly about them other fellas - when in FACT it is about all of us. sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive.

You're wrong,of course. Again. No surprises. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are statistically over-represented in child removal. It is policy however to place children removed with other Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders where possible.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children living in out-of-home care

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are over-represented in the Australian out-of-home care system. In 2012-13, approximately 34% (n = 13,952) of all children in out-of-home care were identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. Overall, rates of out-of-home care for both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children and non-Indigenous children have continued to increase between 2009 and 2013 (AIHW, 2014).2 The number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children placed in out-of-home care rose from 44.8/1,000 children in 2009-10 to 57.1/1,000 children 2012-13 (AIHW, 2014). Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children were 10.6 times more likely than non-Indigenous children to be in out-of-home care nationally with rate ratios ranging from 3.9 in Tasmania to 16.1 in Western Australia.

In all jurisdictions there were higher rates of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in care than non-Indigenous children.


https://www3.aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/child-protection-and-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-c

rhino wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 9:20pm: rhino wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 3:59pm: Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:53am: [ The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate. And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.     Sigh, the fact is, kids being abused, neglected (witnessing DV does fall under abuse and neglect) will be removed if; a) The matter is reported and the FACT the kids witnessed it is also reported - that will mean a mandatory report to the appropriate state child protection authority. b) The issue scores high enough on the ROSH scale.... (ROSH = Risk of Serious Harm). Now a couple of things to consider there are; The ages of the children - the older they are the less likely removal is. Aboriginal children are removed, albeit, a bit more reluctantly due to Stolen Generation issues - yep a fact. However, age is a factor still. Now personally, with regard to child protection, I would posit that it is underfunded and consequently under resources. As such, not ALL children at risk get removed, despite numerous reports.... A sad reality. Oh, and child protection workers are also just people too, as such, sometimes errors of judgement occur. Sadly, this can also cost kids their lives, happiness or fail to protect their well being. And try to remember, in all of this, whether it be due to DV or other issues of child abuse, neglect or failure to provide protection - it began with the parents more often than not. So, resolve or at least reduce the occurrences of DV and a big child protection issue is also resolved. Not sure who is pretending there is no issue with "these people" clearly they are people, so there are issues. Why do we spend so much energy denying our own issues I wonder? Finally, that comment was not aimed solely at you, in fact it is clearly articulated. All the angst ridden (and I will add, finger pointing) people claim as "debate" blatantly ignores discussing child safety or well being concerns. This thread is no different, given in all the pages so far, it had not come up til I pointed it out. So, I am please it is not lost on you, however, your response clearly demonstrates the opinion that it is mostly about them other fellas - when in FACT it is about all of us. sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I always support people having an opinion...

Lisa Jones wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

You know what? It's nice to see a FEW males contribute. Most seem to be staying away. Just an observation.....

I think Lisa is trying to tell us if we behave more coquettishly, as she does, we may attract more male contributors.

Maybe we could talk about washing some more?

As it stands, i see 3 women posting and 3 men. Clearly not a good enough ratio for Lisa.

mothra wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

rhino wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 9:47pm: Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 9:20pm: rhino wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 3:59pm: Phemanderac wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:53am: [ The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children... This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate. And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.     Sigh, the fact is, kids being abused, neglected (witnessing DV does fall under abuse and neglect) will be removed if; a) The matter is reported and the FACT the kids witnessed it is also reported - that will mean a mandatory report to the appropriate state child protection authority. b) The issue scores high enough on the ROSH scale.... (ROSH = Risk of Serious Harm). Now a couple of things to consider there are; The ages of the children - the older they are the less likely removal is. Aboriginal children are removed, albeit, a bit more reluctantly due to Stolen Generation issues - yep a fact. However, age is a factor still. Now personally, with regard to child protection, I would posit that it is underfunded and consequently under resources. As such, not ALL children at risk get removed, despite numerous reports.... A sad reality. Oh, and child protection workers are also just people too, as such, sometimes errors of judgement occur. Sadly, this can also cost kids their lives, happiness or fail to protect their well being. And try to remember, in all of this, whether it be due to DV or other issues of child abuse, neglect or failure to provide protection - it began with the parents more often than not. So, resolve or at least reduce the occurrences of DV and a big child protection issue is also resolved. Not sure who is pretending there is no issue with "these people" clearly they are people, so there are issues. Why do we spend so much energy denying our own issues I wonder? Finally, that comment was not aimed solely at you, in fact it is clearly articulated. All the angst ridden (and I will add, finger pointing) people claim as "debate" blatantly ignores discussing child safety or well being concerns. This thread is no different, given in all the pages so far, it had not come up til I pointed it out. So, I am please it is not lost on you, however, your response clearly demonstrates the opinion that it is mostly about them other fellas - when in FACT it is about all of us. sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive. You're wrong,of course. Again. No surprises. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are statistically over-represented in child removal. It is policy however to place children removed with other Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders where possible. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children living in out-of-home care Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are over-represented in the Australian out-of-home care system. In 2012-13, approximately 34% (n = 13,952) of all children in out-of-home care were identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. Overall, rates of out-of-home care for both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children and non-Indigenous children have continued to increase between 2009 and 2013 (AIHW, 2014).2 The number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children placed in out-of-home care rose from 44.8/1,000 children in 2009-10 to 57.1/1,000 children 2012-13 (AIHW, 2014). Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children were 10.6 times more likely than non-Indigenous children to be in out-of-home care nationally with rate ratios ranging from 3.9 in Tasmania to 16.1 in Western Australia. In all jurisdictions there were higher rates of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in care than non-Indigenous children. https://www3.aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/child-protection-and-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-c

Only problem is, that doesnt prove me wrong. it proves me right. Aboriginals are hugely over represented in child abuse and domestic abuse statistics.  And just because there are a lot more abo kids in care does not mean they are more likely or even as likely to be taken into care. You can walk into communities in the north where all the kids are in abusive circumstances.

No, it proves you wrong. You said:

"sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive."


That is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Turns out it was you who was naive doesn't it?

Your post was well worth reading Mothra.
Thank you.
The information  you provided is truly startling and should result in  some serious heart-searching for all of us.  :(

As for Lisa?  well I suspect she is an imposter,  however she seems to be very popular with the men on this forum.
She/he tells them what they just looove to hear.! ;D


I even checked out the 'most popular poster' thread a week or so ago, .. and guess who everyone likes??   :)

and it aain't me...  :) :) :) :)

Back to the point at hand .. what do we collectively think are good strategies for dealing with family violence?

To my mind, it starts with education. We need to teach children in school what family violence is and what it means. That it is a crime and there are penalties. We need to provide children with more counsellors. I think children need to be modeled non-violent behaviour and that starts with parents finding better ways to discipline their children than smacking them. Use the giant brain we all have. Problem resolution through thought and action.

I think there need to be more support services that focus on early intervention and child support. When i eventually threw my abusive ex out, there was nowhere to take my kids. I eventually found help for my daughter through a women's support centre as she was a little older but my very young son had nothing.

We need to remove the stigma on family violence sufferers. Too many people still equate being on the receiving end of family violence with weakness, or naivety, or lack of will. This holds especially true for male sufferers. We need more education programs defining family violence as something we could all go through and there but for the grace of god go i ... and all that.

THere were excellent advertising campaigns run last year on family violence. They received some backlash because they did not include men or same sex unions in their message. We need to repeat them and include those missing into the message.

Emma wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:45am:

and it aain't me...  :) :) :) :)

Not me either. But Lisa has included everyone who has responded to her favourably as her favourite poster ... so i wouldn't let it bother you. She's well up into the double digits now. All men mind you.

Remember Emma .. we are to be more coquettish. We may attract more men here ... as though that is what we want.

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In all jurisdictions there were higher rates of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in care than non-Indigenous children.


https://www3.aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/child-protection-and-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-c[/quote]Only problem is, that doesnt prove me wrong. it proves me right. Aboriginals are hugely over represented in child abuse and domestic abuse statistics. And just because there are a lot more abo kids in care does not mean they are more likely or even as likely to be taken into care. You can walk into communities in the north where all the kids are in abusive circumstances.[/quote]


You finally make a good point Rhino.

I think both you and Mothra are actually coming at the issue from diametrically opposed positions, and yet , you are both really saying the same thing.


Have you considered the points put forward by Phemanderac, as to WHY?  this is the case. 



It just comes across as abo - bashing, from you. You may not understand what I mean, because lets face it, communication between human beings is pretty RS at best.



Have you?  walked into these communities. ??
Do you speak from personal experience or anecdotal information.?

mothra wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:50am:

Emma wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:45am: and it aain't me...  :) :) :) :) Not me either. But Lisa has included everyone who has responded to her favourably as her favourite poster ... so i wouldn't let it bother you. She's well up into the double digits now. All men mind you. Remember Emma .. we are to be more coquettish. We may attract more men here ... as though that is what we want.

I can assure you Mothra it doesn't bother me. ;D

Emma wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:56am:

. In all jurisdictions there were higher rates of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in care than non-Indigenous children. https://www3.aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/child-protection-and-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-c

Only problem is, that doesnt prove me wrong. it proves me right. Aboriginals are hugely over represented in child abuse and domestic abuse statistics. And just because there are a lot more abo kids in care does not mean they are more likely or even as likely to be taken into care. You can walk into communities in the north where all the kids are in abusive circumstances.[/quote]


You finally make a good point Rhino.

I think both you and Mothra are actually coming at the issue from diametrically opposed positions, and yet , you are both really saying the same thing. Have you considered the points put forward by Mothra, as to WHY?  this is the case.  It just comes across as abo - bashing, from you. You may not understand what I mean, because lets face, communication human beings is pretty RS at best.



Have you?  walked into these communities. ??
Do you speak from personal experience or anecdotal information.?

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I think you are being generous here Emma. Rhino has displayed tremendous ignorance.

I try to remain objective , believe it or not, and  respect you and your posts.

  I can't say the same for Rhino, and that's a fact.

He can reply or not to my enquiry, that's up to him. He may choose to use the opportunity to show further ignorance , or not.


Oh and I apologise for the capitalisation and bold..  it's a problem I have.  :)

Very diplomatic and 'higher road' of you Emma.

I confess to being more impatient.

I have to say Mothra that I really like your wee message    

  If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

:)

It's my personal mantra. A particularly good parenting strategy also ..  ;)

Emma wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:56am:

. Have you?  walked into these communities. ?? Do you speak from personal experience or anecdotal information.?

i call a  spade a spade. Call it abo bashing, dont care. I am not politically correct. Yes, been to abo communities, see how they live,. Yes, deal with aboriginal people constantly on a daily basis when at work. I see directly every day what the billions of dollars pumped into the aboriginal industry and the bleeding heart naysayers achieve. nothing. No aboriginal is helped by refusing to see that there are huge cultural issues at the heart of their dysfunction.

mothra wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 12:30am:

No, it proves you wrong. You said: "sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive." That is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Turns out it was you who was naive doesn't it?

and im right. you just dont understand the enormous scope of abuse within aboriginal communities and families. Your ignorance is leading you to wrong conclusions.

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:25am:

Emma wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:56am: . Have you?  walked into these communities. ?? Do you speak from personal experience or anecdotal information.? i call a  spade a spade. Call it abo bashing, dont care. I am not politically correct. Yes, been to abo communities, see how they live,. Yes, deal with aboriginal people constantly on a daily basis when at work. I see directly every day what the billions of dollars pumped into the aboriginal industry and the bleeding heart naysayers achieve. nothing. No aboriginal is helped by refusing to see that there are huge cultural issues at the heart of their dysfunction.

For crying out loud, the issues are NOT cultural, they are a result of generations of subjugation, abuse, grief and loss, stolen people, discrimination and systemic genocide.

What you don't understand about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people is considerably more than you understand.

Scholars, researchers, community workers, Elders and even the observant follower disagree with you. Heartily.

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:28am:

mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:30am: No, it proves you wrong. You said: "sorry mate, absolute first class bs. Abo kids will almost never be removed despite clear evidence of abuse and neglect. You couldnt be more naive." That is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Turns out it was you who was naive doesn't it? and im right. you just dont understand the enormous scope of abuse within aboriginal communities and families. Your ignorance is leading you to wrong conclusions.

Why can't you just admit you're wrong? Does it hurt or something?

Look. if it were purely cultural, we wouldn't have the very big problem of women assaulting men also. We have that problem. Men usually win, granted, but the problem exists.

And the abuse of children. Traditionally children were venerated in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture.

There is corruption at work here ... not cultural patterns.

mothra wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:39am:

rhino wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:25am: Emma wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:56am: . Have you?  walked into these communities. ?? Do you speak from personal experience or anecdotal information.? i call a  spade a spade. Call it abo bashing, dont care. I am not politically correct. Yes, been to abo communities, see how they live,. Yes, deal with aboriginal people constantly on a daily basis when at work. I see directly every day what the billions of dollars pumped into the aboriginal industry and the bleeding heart naysayers achieve. nothing. No aboriginal is helped by refusing to see that there are huge cultural issues at the heart of their dysfunction. For crying out loud, the issues are NOT cultural, they are a result of generations of subjugation, abuse, grief and loss, stolen people, discrimination and systemic genocide. What you don't understand about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people is considerably more than you understand.

Rubbish, domestic violence child abuse on this scale is a cultural issue. There wouldmt be an aboriginal household anywhere in the country where this does not occur.


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Scholars, researchers, community workers, Elders and even the observant follower disagree with you. Heartily.

no they dont. Ive spoken directly to more than a few and they agree with me. Anyone who has any direct experience must agree because they are the facts.

mothra wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:47am:

L And the abuse of children. Traditionally children were venerated in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture.

absolute nonsense. Population control was acheived by aboriginals by murdering new born infants. Heres a question for you that will test what you really know. Do aboriginals smell more than other people? i.e. do they have more body odour?

I see directly every day what the billions of dollars pumped into the aboriginal industry and the bleeding heart naysayers achieve. nothing. No aboriginal is helped by refusing to see that there are huge cultural issues at the heart of their dysfunction.




Well damn it all.. I just lost a very verbose reply to Rhino.. I will try to simplify
Rhino  .. this Aboriginal industry you claim has cost BILLIONS for nothing...  must line someone's pockets. As it is obviously not benefiting the people it was intended to. Like yours for example?.  What do you suggest as a solution.?

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:54am:

mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:39am: rhino wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:25am: Emma wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:56am: . Have you?  walked into these communities. ?? Do you speak from personal experience or anecdotal information.? i call a  spade a spade. Call it abo bashing, dont care. I am not politically correct. Yes, been to abo communities, see how they live,. Yes, deal with aboriginal people constantly on a daily basis when at work. I see directly every day what the billions of dollars pumped into the aboriginal industry and the bleeding heart naysayers achieve. nothing. No aboriginal is helped by refusing to see that there are huge cultural issues at the heart of their dysfunction. For crying out loud, the issues are NOT cultural, they are a result of generations of subjugation, abuse, grief and loss, stolen people, discrimination and systemic genocide. What you don't understand about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people is considerably more than you understand. Rubbish, domestic violence child abuse on this scale is a cultural issue. There wouldmt be an aboriginal household anywhere in the country where this does not occur. Quote: Scholars, researchers, community workers, Elders and even the observant follower disagree with you. Heartily. no they dont. Ive spoken directly to more than a few and they agree with me. Anyone who has any direct experience must agree because they are the facts.

Not an Aboriginal household in the country where this doesn't occur? Are you trying to make yourself look like an idiot? How many Aboriginal households are you familiar with Rhino? Honestly.

And no .. the scholars, researchers, support workers and sundry agree with me. I know because i WORK IN THE FIELD. This is my area of expertise Rhino. One of a few actually. I speak with the Elders. I listen to what they say. I am in cohorts with the researchers and community workers. This is not cultural .. it is a result of what has been done to them.

You will find parallels in every other community in which similar disenfranchisement has occurred.

You have a long way to go Rhino. The first step is accepting when you are wrong. And you are very, very wrong.

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 1:57am:

mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:47am: L And the abuse of children. Traditionally children were venerated in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture. absolute nonsense. Population control was acheived by aboriginals by murdering new born infants. Heres a question for you that will test what you really know. Do aboriginals smell more than other people? i.e. do they have more body odour?

What the bugger is wrong with you?

Aboriginal people need to be treated exactly like white people and everyone else. Exactly. No special funding, no special govt jobs, no slack for committing criminal offenses. Sink or swim, assimilate or die out. Get busy living or get busy dying. No more screaming racism while holding your hand out.

mothra wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:04am:

rhino wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:57am: mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:47am: L And the abuse of children. Traditionally children were venerated in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture. absolute nonsense. Population control was acheived by aboriginals by murdering new born infants. Heres a question for you that will test what you really know. Do aboriginals smell more than other people? i.e. do they have more body odour? What the bugger is wrong with you?

answer the question. You are such a knowledgable person on aboriginals surely you must know this. Do they smell more or not?

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:04am:

Aboriginal people need to be treated exactly like white people and everyone else. Exactly. No special funding, no special govt jobs, no slack for committing criminal offenses. Sink or swim, assimilate or die out. Get busy living or get busy dying. No more screaming racism while holding your hand out.

No idea. Just no idea.

So Rhino...  all these BILLIONS line someone's pockets, eh? People like you perhaps.? Sounds like it to me.
What are you doing about it.? Eh?

I have agree with Mothra.  It smacks of corruption.  This dysfunction you allege in aboriginal societies ( because please remember, this is NOT limited to Australia )is because ????????? Could it possibly be due to the points raised by Mothra.
WE ALSO have a tradition of abuse of women and children. I have to assume you are of European extraction, where children slaved in mines from age 6.  Where is OUR civiliation. What possible right do you have to so denigrate these poorest of OUR people?. They live in third world conditions, in this best of all possible worlds, and you BLAME THEM.????

.

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:06am:

mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 2:04am: rhino wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:57am: mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 1:47am: L And the abuse of children. Traditionally children were venerated in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture. absolute nonsense. Population control was acheived by aboriginals by murdering new born infants. Heres a question for you that will test what you really know. Do aboriginals smell more than other people? i.e. do they have more body odour? What the bugger is wrong with you? answer the question. You are such a knowledgable person on aboriginals surely you must know this. Do they smell more or not?

Not in my experience, no. Are you mentally challenged?

mothra wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:03am:

I know because i WORK IN THE FIELD. This is my area of expertise Rhino. .

No you dont. Even by saying this it tells me you have little direct experience with abos.

rhino wrote on May 14^th, 2015 at 2:07am:

mothra wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 2:03am:   I know because i WORK IN THE FIELD. This is my area of expertise Rhino. . No you dont. Even by saying this it tells me you have little direct experience with abos.

Bollocks.