Australian Labor Party leader Bill Shorten says Russia's latest sanctions imposed on Australia make him 'sick in the guts' and has offered a bipartisan approach to the response.

Russia is banning beef, pork, fruit and vegetable produce, poultry, fish, cheese, milk and dairy products from a number of countries including Australia in retaliation for trade bans imposed over its support for separatists in the Ukraine.

'Do you want to know what I think? Who are they to put sanctions on us?' Mr Shorten told a business summit in Melbourne on Friday.

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- who the hell does Vlad think he is? Imposing COUNTER-sanctions and poo on those who blatantly tried to destroy his economy.

- "They don't have the moral authority", says Shorten.

-  'Electricity' Bill Shorten may require some further research on mechanisms of political economic warfare.

If this is such a problem then how about dropping the whole sanction non-sense.  So many countries are suffering from these sanctions just because their leaders want to please Washington.

I have no sympathy.

If The Simian and Asbestos Julie hadn't gone off half-cocked in the first instance, then tried
to cover their feckup with bluster, arrogance and spin, there wouldn't BE a problem.

This is all our own doing, and Shorten should be sheeting the blame home to this terminally
inept 'government' where it belongs, not to Russia or Putin.

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 2:16am:

I have no sympathy. If The Simian and Asbestos Julie hadn't gone off half-cocked in the first instance, then tried to cover their feckup with bluster, arrogance and spin, there wouldn't BE a problem. This is all our own doing, and Shorten should be sheeting the blame home to this terminally inept 'government' where it belongs, not to Russia or Putin.

Well put.....

All Shorten has done with his inane remarks is to confirm the fact that he's just as much a puppet of the USA as Abbort, and is scared sh*tless to contradict their psychotic unfounded rants against Putin and Russia...!

So much for 'fearless leaders."

Abbott could have kept his mouth shut till he knew what he was talking about.

As a result of Abbotts uninformed big mouth Australian producers will now have to pay the cost.

Dumbo Abbott making us a target with his big mouth.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

Abbott could have kept his mouth shut till he knew what he was talking about. As a result of Abbotts uninformed big mouth Australian producers will now have to pay the cost. Dumbo Abbott making us a target with his big mouth.

dont worry dna... vlad is still buying our  grog... he may not be able to feed his army but they will still get their grog rations.. he wouldnt dare stop that..

get those white flags ready..I am expecting mine in the mail any day I am sure you lefties have already got yours on your rooftops... ;D ;D

Another thread full of pro-Russian and pro-Putin posters????  perhaps todays news that a former labor MP was a KGB spy makes more sense now.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:11am:

Another thread full of pro-Russian and pro-Putin posters????  perhaps todays news that a former labor MP was a KGB spy makes more sense now.

I do not see how suggesting that we not antagonise them till we have the facts as supporting the Russians.

All people are saying is that Abbott carrying on like a pork chop was always going to have consequences.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

Abbott could have kept his mouth shut till he knew what he was talking about. As a result of Abbotts uninformed big mouth Australian producers will now have to pay the cost. Dumbo Abbott making us a target with his big mouth.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

Like you and your cronies would have it.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:11am: Another thread full of pro-Russian and pro-Putin posters????  perhaps todays news that a former labor MP was a KGB spy makes more sense now. I do not see how suggesting that we not antagonise them till we have the facts as supporting the Russians. All people are saying is that Abbott carrying on like a pork chop was always going to have consequences.

how is he carrying on??...you are such wimps.. dont you see Vlad is doing everything to stop the West going into Ukraine he has his army on the border...he is supplying weapon to separatists...people who would otherwise nev er in a million years have access to those type of weapons.. come on...


ok ok I know wait until they come knocking on your door...  ::) ::) ::)pitiful

where that white flag.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:11am: Another thread full of pro-Russian and pro-Putin posters????  perhaps todays news that a former labor MP was a KGB spy makes more sense now. I do not see how suggesting that we not antagonise them till we have the facts as supporting the Russians. All people are saying is that Abbott carrying on like a pork chop was always going to have consequences.

all the facts????  what facts do you still need to assert that Russian separatists supported by Putin downed this plane? demanding more and more facts makes you sound like an apologist.. or worse.  the evidence is damning and substantial. Putin relies on other countries behaving just as you are - cowardly.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

Abbott could have kept his mouth shut till he knew what he was talking about. As a result of Abbotts uninformed big mouth Australian producers will now have to pay the cost. Dumbo Abbott making us a target with his big mouth.

So what? After his taunts for Putin's head, Tone's ratings increased dramatically, which is all that matters to politicians. Sure his accusations were based on literally zero authoritative evidence and he was basically just mimicking Obama. But the ratings eh? LOOK AT EM! LOOK

cods wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:07am:

how is he carrying on??...you are such wimps.. dont you see Vlad is doing everything to stop the West going into Ukraine he has his army on the border...he is supplying weapon to separatists...people who would otherwise nev er in a million years have access to those type of weapons.. come on... ok ok I know wait until they come knocking on your door...  ::) ::) ::)pitiful where that white flag.

dont you see Vlad is doing everything to stop the West going into Ukraine he has his army on the border

Is that meant to be strange or something? Why do you think Vlad would want to stop US from assembling their other army (NATO) in Ukraine that literally covers half of Russia's Western border? Have a good hard think about that mate. Really deep and strategic think. Now why on earth would Putin want to prevent that eh? Any ideas? Remember how at the "end" of the cold war USA promised not to advance NATO "a step further towards Russia"? Did they keep up that promise? Now they almost have Ukraine and nearly took Crimea with it. So have you got any clues as to why Putin may want to protect himself there? No?


ok ok I know wait until they come knocking on your door...  ::) ::) ::)pitiful

You are not talking about the anti-Kiev in Ukraine trying to defy the fascist rule are you? Do you really think they have any interest to come knocking on our door? Do you think they have any interest in taking over Australia? This is the typical propaganda bullshit that got so many people involved in the World Wars and convinced them to go fighting in places they really did not need to. This is the same propaganda that justified the West destroying the middle east for the last decade. Create an enemy image to convince people to go and fight in far away places out of fear.

The only reason why the ethnic Russians in Ukraine would come to Australia would be as refugees to escape the radicals running Ukraine right now. Just look at how those Kiev nazis indoctrinate their children.

youtube. com/watch?v=qFBZphEiZEo&feature=youtu.be

and

youtube. com/watch?v=w3R3pMtL3eo

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

all the facts????  what facts do you still need to assert that Russian separatists supported by Putin downed this plane? demanding more and more facts makes you sound like an apologist.. or worse.  the evidence is damning and substantial. Putin relies on other countries behaving just as you are - cowardly.

Can you please guide me towards your "damning and substantial" evidence. I seem to have missed it. Please no links to social media. Thanks. It would be greatly appreciated.

Quote:

'Do you want to know what I think? Who are they to put sanctions on us?' Mr Shorten told a business summit in Melbourne on Friday.

In case you didn't know Mr Shorten the Russians are a super power who wield a lot of influence with China and other nations around the world that do not sympathise with American domination.....Who do you think you are to support one side in a civil war that has SFA to do with Australia.....Bring the dead home and keep out of disputes that do nor concern us.....The current Ukraine Government overthrew the democratically elected Government and refused to accept a referendum in Crimea to join the Russians instead of the EU.....Who are we to tell the people of Ukraine they must accept an illegitimate Government???

:-? :-? :-?

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:28am: all the facts????  what facts do you still need to assert that Russian separatists supported by Putin downed this plane? demanding more and more facts makes you sound like an apologist.. or worse.  the evidence is damning and substantial. Putin relies on other countries behaving just as you are - cowardly. Can you please guide me towards your "damning and substantial" evidence. I seem to have missed it. Please no links to social media. Thanks. It would be greatly appreciated.

just ask your soviet masters.  they will tell you all about it.  the evidence is damning but for you, it will never be enough.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:54am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:11am: Another thread full of pro-Russian and pro-Putin posters????  perhaps todays news that a former labor MP was a KGB spy makes more sense now. I do not see how suggesting that we not antagonise them till we have the facts as supporting the Russians. All people are saying is that Abbott carrying on like a pork chop was always going to have consequences. all the facts????  what facts do you still need to assert that Russian separatists supported by Putin downed this plane? demanding more and more facts makes you sound like an apologist.. or worse.  the evidence is damning and substantial. Putin relies on other countries behaving just as you are - cowardly.

Are you saying that Russia was involved ?

I very much doubt that Russia played any direct part in the targeting or shooting down of a passenger aircraft.

I would like to see the results of whatever investigation is held to determine responsibility. Abbotts shoot firs and ask questions later approach in my view is not helpful and is now costing our producers.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:28am: all the facts????  what facts do you still need to assert that Russian separatists supported by Putin downed this plane? demanding more and more facts makes you sound like an apologist.. or worse.  the evidence is damning and substantial. Putin relies on other countries behaving just as you are - cowardly. Can you please guide me towards your "damning and substantial" evidence. I seem to have missed it. Please no links to social media. Thanks. It would be greatly appreciated. just ask your soviet masters.  they will tell you all about it.  the evidence is damning but for you, it will never be enough.

USA is indulging in vicious propaganda. There is no evidence apart from Ukraine air traffic control conversations with MH17 and black box voice recordings.

USA is not compelling the release of this voice recording evidence. I wonder why?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:28am: all the facts????  what facts do you still need to assert that Russian separatists supported by Putin downed this plane? demanding more and more facts makes you sound like an apologist.. or worse.  the evidence is damning and substantial. Putin relies on other countries behaving just as you are - cowardly. Can you please guide me towards your "damning and substantial" evidence. I seem to have missed it. Please no links to social media. Thanks. It would be greatly appreciated. just ask your soviet masters.  they will tell you all about it.  the evidence is damning but for you, it will never be enough.

You literally provided ZERO evidence,  just like USA.

You think that only one party could be guilty?