As we all know people are inclined to stick with a government in the event of war, it seems Abbott is desperate to get on board with any conflict or tragic event around the world to get some traction with the Australian people and do some more grandstanding . How long before he deploys our troops and where, will this coincide with a DD. He knows LNP are doomed and we know a dog act like this isn't beyond him.

Its time wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

As we all know people are inclined to stick with a government in the event of war, it seems Abbott is desperate to get on board with any conflict or tragic event around the world to get some traction with the Australian people and do some more grandstanding . How long before he deploys our troops and where, will this coincide with a DD. He knows LNP are doomed and we know a dog act like this isn't beyond him.

Spot On!

Abbott wants to prove himself good as Thatcher his Heroin.

The sleazy little pome runt wont be putting himself in dangers way but.

Good old mother England cant be denied his triumphant return home!

what utter creeps the left are... sick and pathetic.

you lost get over it.

whatever Abbott does its far far better than waving the white flag.

cods wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:47am:

what utter creeps the left are... sick and pathetic. you lost get over it. whatever Abbott does its far far better than waving the white flag.

Anybody who lies has already waived the white flag, Abbott even uses search lights to make sure all can see his white flag during hours of darkness!

Where the US goes in the Middle East, we will follow

    Greg Sheridan, comment
    The Australian
    August 11, 2014


IF the US sends troops into Iraq — very unlikely at the moment but by no means inconceivable — Australian troops are overwhelmingly likely to go with them.

If Barack Obama sustains airstrikes against the Islamic State extremists who are butchering and terrifying the population of northern Iraq, and decides he needs something like a coalition of the willing to share the burden and spread political ownership of the intervention, then Australian planes are overwhelmingly likely to fly as part of the action.

And if Washington just maintains its humanitarian air drops to beleaguered Yazidis and others sheltering in terror on the mountain tops, destined to be slaughtered by Islamic State because they adhere to the wrong religion, then Australian military cargo planes will participate in that too, as Tony Abbott has already authorised.

Wherever Washington goes on this, Canberra is overwhelmingly likely to follow.

The Prime Minister virtually made this commitment when he saw Obama in the White House in June. It was one reason why, contrary to many mistaken media reports, the meeting between the two men was so warm and productive.

Abbott, unlike most visitors to the White House, was not asking for something; he was offering something. He specifically told Obama that if the US needed to go back into Iraq, Australia would help.

However, this is not a case of Australia blindly doing Washington’s bidding.

There is a deep strategic purpose to Abbott’s offer, and his likely future action, and it rests on a sober analysis of current geo-strategic dynamics, which is shared in London, Tokyo, Paris and other Western capitals.

In the first instance, the proposed limited intervention in Iraq is just and necessary, entirely in its own terms, to avert another humanitarian catastrophe along Syrian lines, and to prevent Islamic State, the most sadistic and vicious terrorist group in the world today, from setting up a permanent terror state.

The situation itself provides ample moral, political and strategic justification for US-led intervention.

But Abbott has a broader purpose as well, and that is to stiffen the spine of American leadership.

Canberra sees this as being in the direct national security interests of Australia.

Ever since Obama promised to bomb Syria if it used chemical weapons against its own citizens, and then reneged on the promise, there has been a steady deterioration in the observance of basic international norms on security.

US allies in Europe and Asia are deeply, if generally privately, concerned about the erosion of US strategic credibility and the reluctance of the US to exercise leadership.

In Washington there is naturally some cynicism and skepticism about this allied concern. As one Washington insider put it to me recently: “What the Europeans would really like is for Americans to put a division or two in Ukraine to guarantee its security against Russia.

“The Europeans could then sit back and criticise the operation from the sidelines. But the US doesn’t do that any more.”

Governments in Canberra, Tokyo, London and other Western capitals instead are trying to provide concrete assistance to the Americans wherever they can in security matters, to share some of the American burden and to encourage the Americans to exercise leadership in the knowledge that they will not be alone.

In terms of physical capability, the Americans could easily undertake any of the actions proposed for Iraq on their own, just as they could have done in Libya when the Europeans notionally took the lead, though in fact American cruise missiles and American munitions fired by European planes did much of the work.

But US public opinion is firmly against any further entanglement in the Middle East.

A persuasive, committed president, however, could lead public opinion, especially for the extremely limited actions proposed for Iraq. A president is more likely to do this if he has allies standing shoulder to shoulder with him.

Canberra believes US credibility in the Middle East flows directly into US credibility in Asia.

And US credibility in Asia is critical to Australian security.

So Abbott will walk a long mile with Obama, if needs be. But he will be making the trek for Australia’s sake, and in Australia’s interests.

DaS Energy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:42am:

Abbott wants to prove himself good as Thatcher his Heroin

Now that would be a bonus....

Its time wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

As we all know people are inclined to stick with a government in the event of war, it seems Abbott is desperate to get on board with any conflict or tragic event around the world to get some traction with the Australian people and do some more grandstanding . How long before he deploys our troops and where, will this coincide with a DD. He knows LNP are doomed and we know a dog act like this isn't beyond him.

I didn't notice this thread earlier, but said the same thing somewhere else. This is how Abbott will get re-elected. Get ready for the invasion of ISIS or as Abbott's parrot (Alan Jones) screeched this morning - they might blow up the Harbour Bridge.

Well Australia did go to the illegal Iraq war, and the Afghanistan war.      :(   

wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:00am:

Where the US goes in the Middle East, we will follow     Greg Sheridan, comment     The Australian     August 11, 2014 IF the US sends troops into Iraq — very unlikely at the moment but by no means inconceivable — Australian troops are overwhelmingly likely to go with them. If Barack Obama sustains airstrikes against the Islamic State extremists who are butchering and terrifying the population of northern Iraq, and decides he needs something like a coalition of the willing to share the burden and spread political ownership of the intervention, then Australian planes are overwhelmingly likely to fly as part of the action. And if Washington just maintains its humanitarian air drops to beleaguered Yazidis and others sheltering in terror on the mountain tops, destined to be slaughtered by Islamic State because they adhere to the wrong religion, then Australian military cargo planes will participate in that too, as Tony Abbott has already authorised. Wherever Washington goes on this, Canberra is overwhelmingly likely to follow. The Prime Minister virtually made this commitment when he saw Obama in the White House in June. It was one reason why, contrary to many mistaken media reports, the meeting between the two men was so warm and productive. Abbott, unlike most visitors to the White House, was not asking for something; he was offering something. He specifically told Obama that if the US needed to go back into Iraq, Australia would help. However, this is not a case of Australia blindly doing Washington’s bidding. There is a deep strategic purpose to Abbott’s offer, and his likely future action, and it rests on a sober analysis of current geo-strategic dynamics, which is shared in London, Tokyo, Paris and other Western capitals. In the first instance, the proposed limited intervention in Iraq is just and necessary, entirely in its own terms, to avert another humanitarian catastrophe along Syrian lines, and to prevent Islamic State, the most sadistic and vicious terrorist group in the world today, from setting up a permanent terror state. The situation itself provides ample moral, political and strategic justification for US-led intervention. But Abbott has a broader purpose as well, and that is to stiffen the spine of American leadership. Canberra sees this as being in the direct national security interests of Australia. Ever since Obama promised to bomb Syria if it used chemical weapons against its own citizens, and then reneged on the promise, there has been a steady deterioration in the observance of basic international norms on security. US allies in Europe and Asia are deeply, if generally privately, concerned about the erosion of US strategic credibility and the reluctance of the US to exercise leadership. In Washington there is naturally some cynicism and skepticism about this allied concern. As one Washington insider put it to me recently: “What the Europeans would really like is for Americans to put a division or two in Ukraine to guarantee its security against Russia. “The Europeans could then sit back and criticise the operation from the sidelines. But the US doesn’t do that any more.” Governments in Canberra, Tokyo, London and other Western capitals instead are trying to provide concrete assistance to the Americans wherever they can in security matters, to share some of the American burden and to encourage the Americans to exercise leadership in the knowledge that they will not be alone. In terms of physical capability, the Americans could easily undertake any of the actions proposed for Iraq on their own, just as they could have done in Libya when the Europeans notionally took the lead, though in fact American cruise missiles and American munitions fired by European planes did much of the work. But US public opinion is firmly against any further entanglement in the Middle East. A persuasive, committed president, however, could lead public opinion, especially for the extremely limited actions proposed for Iraq. A president is more likely to do this if he has allies standing shoulder to shoulder with him. Canberra believes US credibility in the Middle East flows directly into US credibility in Asia. And US credibility in Asia is critical to Australian security. So Abbott will walk a long mile with Obama, if needs be. But he will be making the trek for Australia’s sake, and in Australia’s interests.

All the way will good old USA, not bloody likely says New Zealand!

wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

Well Australia did go to the illegal Iraq war, and the Afghanistan war.      :(

Neither were illegal Crook...

Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan



    Ewen MacAskill and Julian Borger in Washington
    The Guardian, Thursday 16 September 2004      

The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.      :-?

Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."    

He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."      :-?

Mr Annan has until now kept a tactful silence and his intervention at this point undermines the argument pushed by Tony Blair that the war was legitimised by security council resolutions.

Mr Annan also questioned whether it will be feasible on security grounds to go ahead with the first planned election in Iraq scheduled for January. "You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now," he said.

His remarks come amid a marked deterioration of the situation on the ground, an upsurge of violence that has claimed 200 lives in four days and raised questions over the ability of the interim Iraqi government and the US-led coalition to maintain control over the country.

They also come as Mr Blair is trying to put the controversy over the war behind him in the run-up to the conference season, a new parliamentary term and next year's probable general election.

The UN chief had warned the US and its allies a week before the invasion in March 2003 that military action would violate the UN charter. But he has hitherto refrained from using the damning word "illegal".

Both Mr Blair and the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, claim that Saddam Hussein was in breach of security council resolution 1441 passed late in 2002, and of previous resolutions calling on him to give up weapons of mass destruction. France and other countries claimed these were insufficient.

No immediate comment was available from the White House late last night, but American officials have defended the war as an act of self-defence, allowed under the UN charter, in view of Saddam Hussein's supposed plans to build weapons of mass destruction.

However, last September, Mr Annan issued a stern critique of the notion of pre-emptive self-defence, saying it would lead to a breakdown in international order. Mr Annan last night said that there should have been a second UN resolution specifically authorising war against Iraq. Mr Blair and Mr Straw tried to secure this second resolution early in 2003 in the run-up to the war but were unable to convince a sceptical security council.

Mr Annan said the security council had warned Iraq in resolution 1441 there would be "consequences" if it did not comply with its demands. But he said it should have been up to the council to determine what those consequences were.

Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts.

Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick?

Mr Annan's UNSC didn't think so Crook.  Where's the UNSC resolution condemning the action or demanding withdrawal etc etc?  There are none Crook.

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts. Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick?

This is a political forum. Das Energy starts threads which people respond to politically. So does GW. If you don't like it - don't read the threads, nor disrupt the topic specifically to abuse them.

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts. Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick?

Do you have a brain defect, you coming back to that you hate!

cods wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:47am:

what utter creeps the left are... sick and pathetic. you lost get over it. whatever Abbott does its far far better than waving the white flag.

The halfwits must be really scared about Abbott getting re-elected if they've now turned to science fiction in their attacks on him! ;D

mantra wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:07am: Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts. Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick? This is a political forum. Das Energy starts threads which people respond to politically. So does GW. If you don't like it - don't read the threads, nor disrupt the topic specifically to abuse them.

I have to read it to understand how ridiculous they are genius! And giving my opinion IS NOT disrupting anything, and is my choice, so do not preach to me! Mod or not.

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

mantra wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:10am: George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:07am: Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts. Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick? This is a political forum. Das Energy starts threads which people respond to politically. So does GW. If you don't like it - don't read the threads, nor disrupt the topic specifically to abuse them. I have to read it to understand how ridiculous they are genius! And giving my opinion IS NOT disrupting anything, and is my choice, so do not preach to me! Mod or not.

Wow with balls that big its a wonder how you walk around them, not to mention a dick so long it go round your waist and up your arse for a keeper!

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts.

Yes, they should be prime candidates for a job at the ABC.  :D

At least then they might pay some tax..... ;D

When it was Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq the Coalition of the willing pulled out and declared it was not their problem because the Iraq military was responsible for security and it was essentially a civil war.....Now Christians are being butchered the Coalition are advocating going back into Iraq and finishing what they started.....Although Iraq should never have been invaded in the first place I believe the Coalition of the willing have an obligation to ensure the nation of Iraq is not overrun by extremists which is why they lied to invade the country in the first place!!!

>:( >:( >:(

DaS Energy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:17am: mantra wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:10am: George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:07am: Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts. Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick? This is a political forum. Das Energy starts threads which people respond to politically. So does GW. If you don't like it - don't read the threads, nor disrupt the topic specifically to abuse them. I have to read it to understand how ridiculous they are genius! And giving my opinion IS NOT disrupting anything, and is my choice, so do not preach to me! Mod or not. [quote]Wow with balls that big its a wonder how you walk around them, not to mention a dick so long it go round your waist and up your arse for a keeper!

OK "Mantra".......is this abuse?

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

I have to read it to understand how ridiculous they are genius! And giving my opinion IS NOT disrupting anything, and is my choice, so do not preach to me! Mod or not.

As a "newcomer" - who's given you the privilege of being personally abusive to members?

I'm not a mod, nor would I bother reporting you, but someone else will if you continue to be disruptive. This is a political forum and you aren't offering any political commentary.

Attack the topic - not the person.

Don't preach to me!

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:27am:

OK "Mantra".......is this abuse?

Technically yes, but I've never seen Das initiate abuse. He does defend himself occasionally, but as it is defence only, he will possibly be forgiven. As the initiator - you won't be.

How's those WMD going in Iraq , still looking righties, might go find some in Syria when next Republican dimwit gets in and LNP leader drops to his knees and gobbles, yes America we will support you  bomb some more innocent women and children with zero evidence and then wonder why they hop on boats and flee to Australia.

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

Don't preach to me!

Preach; give sermon: to give a talk on a religious or moral subject, especially in church.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:16am:

cods wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:47am: what utter creeps the left are... sick and pathetic. you lost get over it. whatever Abbott does its far far better than waving the white flag. The halfwits must be really scared about Abbott getting re-elected if they've now turned to science fiction in their attacks on him! ;D

Tony's already gone, anyone that can't see that has a kangaroo loose in the top paddock ;D

Its time wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

As we all know people are inclined to stick with a government in the event of war, it seems Abbott is desperate to get on board with any conflict or tragic event around the world to get some traction with the Australian people and do some more grandstanding . How long before he deploys our troops and where, will this coincide with a DD. He knows LNP are doomed and we know a dog act like this isn't beyond him.

DIPSTICK OF THE DAY AWARD, goes to...
The Suppository. :D :D :D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG/320px-Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG
Honestly  ::)  how many; biased, mindless, bogus topics are YOU going to start. :D :D :D

mantra wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:27am: OK "Mantra".......is this abuse? Technically yes, but I've never seen Das initiate abuse. He does defend himself occasionally, but as it is defence only, he will be possibly be forgiven. As the initiator - you won't be.

EVERY post this clown makes is abuse, or do you only have selective reading ability? Come to think of it every one of your posts seems to toady to people like this fool. Go back to sleep.

wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan

Not only was it an illegal war, the war gave birth to the fanatical nuts (mainly religious) rampaging in Iraq and syria now.  Don't forget that this is exactly what the people said would happen in 2003 if we launched the Iraq war.  But no the pollies chased the economic interests of their puppet masters and now we have a much bigger, more cohesive and determined enemy to fight and it could easily get far worse.  Thanks John Howard. You along with Bush and Blair are to blame for this mess and I dearly hope one day to see you on trial for your deceitful lies and the deaths that resulted and the troubles that are now coming to fruition and will remain with us for decades to come.    

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

mantra wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:34am: George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:27am: OK "Mantra".......is this abuse? Technically yes, but I've never seen Das initiate abuse. He does defend himself occasionally, but as it is defence only, he will be possibly be forgiven. As the initiator - you won't be. EVERY post this clown makes is abuse, or do you only have selective reading ability? Come to think of it every one of your posts seems to toady to people like this fool. Go back to sleep.

This; something present (guess who that was in your post)

DaS Energy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:11am:

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:50am: mantra wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:34am: George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:27am: OK "Mantra".......is this abuse? Technically yes, but I've never seen Das initiate abuse. He does defend himself occasionally, but as it is defence only, he will be possibly be forgiven. As the initiator - you won't be. EVERY post this clown makes is abuse, or do you only have selective reading ability? Come to think of it every one of your posts seems to toady to people like this fool. Go back to sleep. This; something present (guess who that was in your post)

Good that you know then eh!

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:03am: Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan Not only was it an illegal war, the war gave birth to the fanatical nuts (mainly religious) rampaging in Iraq and syria now.  Don't forget that this is exactly what the people said would happen in 2003 if we launched the Iraq war.  But no the pollies chased the economic interests of their puppet masters and now we have a much bigger, more cohesive and determined enemy to fight and it could easily get far worse.  Thanks John Howard. You along with Bush and Blair are to blame for this mess and I dearly hope one day to see you on trial for your deceitful lies and the deaths that resulted and the troubles that are now coming to fruition and will remain with us for decades to come.

America wanted cheaper middle east oil and Sadam was in the way, so America destabilised the country and still does so nobody can get back into power and charge a fair price for the countries Oil.

Any war, just any war.

Why is it that the lefties n here are such morally bankrupt cretins that they support Putin and now apparently support the genocide of thousands in Iraq??

I am gobsmacked by the standard of some of you who literally support Putin and now support the massacre of thousands all because standing up to them might benefit Abbott's polls???  not even the moral vacuums in the Greens and Labor's left are doing this.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Why is it that the lefties n here are such morally bankrupt cretins that they support Putin and now apparently support the genocide of thousands in Iraq?? I am gobsmacked by the standard of some of you who literally support Putin and now support the massacre of thousands all because standing up to them might benefit Abbott's polls???  not even the moral vacuums in the Greens and Labor's left are doing this.

You cant see past your cold war obsessions and your simplistic black and white notions of "goodies and baddies" and so you react like a lunatic when confronted by those who understand that the world is a little more complex then you are capable of comprehending. 

Its time wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Any war, just any war.

Not any war, only the ones where Abbott cant paint himself a hero to brag about when returning to his beloved England!

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

Not only was it an illegal war, the war gave birth to the fanatical nuts (mainly religious) rampaging in Iraq and syria now

News for you, they've been there for thousands of years.

Swagman wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:00am:    Not only was it an illegal war, the war gave birth to the fanatical nuts (mainly religious) rampaging in Iraq and syria now News for you, they've been there for thousands of years.

Obfuscation, that's what that is. 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

Swagman wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:46am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:00am:    Not only was it an illegal war, the war gave birth to the fanatical nuts (mainly religious) rampaging in Iraq and syria now News for you, they've been there for thousands of years. Obfuscation, that's what that is.

On the contrary, it's pretty damned clear.

Hussein was a fanatical nut himself.  Iran is full of them too, as is the rest of the Middle East and Israel is surrounded by them.

What has stirred them up is that they know the UN is toothless, Europe has no balls and the only nation that they're scared of is Israel because it doesn't muck around.  It can't afford to.

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:24am: Why is it that the lefties n here are such morally bankrupt cretins that they support Putin and now apparently support the genocide of thousands in Iraq?? I am gobsmacked by the standard of some of you who literally support Putin and now support the massacre of thousands all because standing up to them might benefit Abbott's polls???  not even the moral vacuums in the Greens and Labor's left are doing this. You cant see past your cold war obsessions and your simplistic black and white notions of "goodies and baddies" and so you react like a lunatic when confronted by those who understand that the world is a little more complex then you are capable of comprehending.

and yet sometimes, it is JUST SIMPLE.  standing up to a bully and a war-monger like Putin is not a complex issue. It is a moral issues, a test of character.  just as the west went weak at Hitler, they are doing the same at Putin.  War is often the result of one side being weak and cowardly.  the cold war never became a hot war because neither side were.  WW2 occurred because Europe was (as always) weak and compromised.

Grendel wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:34am: As we all know people are inclined to stick with a government in the event of war, it seems Abbott is desperate to get on board with any conflict or tragic event around the world to get some traction with the Australian people and do some more grandstanding . How long before he deploys our troops and where, will this coincide with a DD. He knows LNP are doomed and we know a dog act like this isn't beyond him. DIPSTICK OF THE DAY AWARD, goes to... The Suppository. :D :D :D http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG/320px-Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG Honestly  ::)  how many; biased, mindless, bogus topics are YOU going to start. :D :D :D

I reckon Greenswhine, DaS and Suppository are all the same dumba$$.

I thought this was about bombing ISIS?  You mean we're tangling with
Russia as well?  One war at a time....

The US is working on a graduated response - first supply refugees and therefore make a statement; next protect them with air strikes when there is clear evidence of direct attack on that protected area; third, move on to wider-ranging strikes as a preventative measure.

If ISIS had any brains, they'd be realising that the appearance of US aircraft, even freight aircraft, is a sign of things to come.  A single missile fired at those will result in stage 1.a - protection of humanitarian flights.

As for Tony Abbott - he may well be in the same situation as Wee Johnnie found himself with the outbreak of DSII - but I seriously doubt that will affect his standing, or lack of it, with the Australian people.  Too far out from an election to call a war....

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:32am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:24am: Why is it that the lefties n here are such morally bankrupt cretins that they support Putin and now apparently support the genocide of thousands in Iraq?? I am gobsmacked by the standard of some of you who literally support Putin and now support the massacre of thousands all because standing up to them might benefit Abbott's polls???  not even the moral vacuums in the Greens and Labor's left are doing this. You cant see past your cold war obsessions and your simplistic black and white notions of "goodies and baddies" and so you react like a lunatic when confronted by those who understand that the world is a little more complex then you are capable of comprehending.  and yet sometimes, it is JUST SIMPLE.  standing up to a bully and a war-monger like Putin is not a complex issue. It is a moral issues, a test of character.  just as the west went weak at Hitler, they are doing the same at Putin.  War is often the result of one side being weak and cowardly.  the cold war never became a hot war because neither side were.  WW2 occurred because Europe was (as always) weak and compromised.

Rutte (Netherlands PM) is copping a hiding due to his piss weak response to Russia over MH17, while Abbott is due for a heroes welcome because of his tough stance.

Swagman wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

DaS Energy wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:42am: Abbott wants to prove himself good as Thatcher his Heroin Now that would be a bonus....

How terribly true.... if he were half the man Maggie was..... most of her achievements were negative but at least she achieved something.... I'll find it somewhere here.....

Nah then.... Australia is not really in the position to send strike aircraft - not enough to defend Oz if we do..... maybe the Navy was right when they wanted six aircraft carriers, two biggies and four smallies.  We could globally project to our hearts content... and offer air patrols etc around all Oz....

Input probably limited to SAR and supply missions...

Did Uncle Sam retire the A-10s yet........

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 11:12am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:32am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:24am: Why is it that the lefties n here are such morally bankrupt cretins that they support Putin and now apparently support the genocide of thousands in Iraq?? I am gobsmacked by the standard of some of you who literally support Putin and now support the massacre of thousands all because standing up to them might benefit Abbott's polls???  not even the moral vacuums in the Greens and Labor's left are doing this. You cant see past your cold war obsessions and your simplistic black and white notions of "goodies and baddies" and so you react like a lunatic when confronted by those who understand that the world is a little more complex then you are capable of comprehending.  and yet sometimes, it is JUST SIMPLE.  standing up to a bully and a war-monger like Putin is not a complex issue. It is a moral issues, a test of character.  just as the west went weak at Hitler, they are doing the same at Putin.  War is often the result of one side being weak and cowardly.  the cold war never became a hot war because neither side were.  WW2 occurred because Europe was (as always) weak and compromised. Rutte (Netherlands PM) is copping a hiding due to his piss weak response to Russia over MH17, while Abbott is due for a heroes welcome because of his tough stance.

Where?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 11:12am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:32am: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 10:24am: Why is it that the lefties n here are such morally bankrupt cretins that they support Putin and now apparently support the genocide of thousands in Iraq?? I am gobsmacked by the standard of some of you who literally support Putin and now support the massacre of thousands all because standing up to them might benefit Abbott's polls???  not even the moral vacuums in the Greens and Labor's left are doing this. You cant see past your cold war obsessions and your simplistic black and white notions of "goodies and baddies" and so you react like a lunatic when confronted by those who understand that the world is a little more complex then you are capable of comprehending.  and yet sometimes, it is JUST SIMPLE.  standing up to a bully and a war-monger like Putin is not a complex issue. It is a moral issues, a test of character.  just as the west went weak at Hitler, they are doing the same at Putin.  War is often the result of one side being weak and cowardly.  the cold war never became a hot war because neither side were.  WW2 occurred because Europe was (as always) weak and compromised. Rutte (Netherlands PM) is copping a hiding due to his piss weak response to Russia over MH17, while Abbott is due for a heroes welcome because of his tough stance.

Where?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Swagman wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:45am: DaS Energy wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:42am: Abbott wants to prove himself good as Thatcher his Heroin Now that would be a bonus.... How terribly true.... if he were half the man Maggie was..... most of her achievements were negative but at least she achieved something.... I'll find it somewhere here..... Nah then.... Australia is not really in the position to send strike aircraft - not enough to defend Oz if we do..... maybe the Navy was right when they wanted six aircraft carriers, two biggies and four smallies.  We could globally project to our hearts content... and offer air patrols etc around all Oz.... Input probably limited to SAR and supply missions... Did Uncle Sam retire the A-10s yet........

Just wait till Abbott gets back and they uncrate the Sopwith Camels be bought from Mother England! 

Boy is Putin in for a hiding then, Abbotts allready got a set of goggles and is reconnoitring the countries he has fly across to surprise Putin!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Swagman wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:45am: DaS Energy wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:42am: Abbott wants to prove himself good as Thatcher his Heroin Now that would be a bonus.... How terribly true.... if he were half the man Maggie was..... most of her achievements were negative but at least she achieved something.... I'll find it somewhere here..... Nah then.... Australia is not really in the position to send strike aircraft - not enough to defend Oz if we do..... maybe the Navy was right when they wanted six aircraft carriers, two biggies and four smallies.  We could globally project to our hearts content... and offer air patrols etc around all Oz.... Input probably limited to SAR and supply missions... Did Uncle Sam retire the A-10s yet........

Just wait till Abbott gets back and they uncrate the Sopwith Camels be bought from Mother England! 

Boy is Putin in for a hiding then, Abbotts allready got a set of goggles and is reconnoitring the countries he has fly across to surprise Putin!

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

mantra wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:10am: George_Orhell wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:07am: Why on earth reasonably intelligent people on this board, even if some support the left, involve themselves in support of posts from this mentally disturbed twit i.e. DaS/Greenswine, or Suppository of Stupity, I am at a loss to understand. This plonker is a total nutbag posting wildly dishonest and ridiculous threads and posts. Jeez, you can't all be that bloody thick? This is a political forum. Das Energy starts threads which people respond to politically. So does GW. If you don't like it - don't read the threads, nor disrupt the topic specifically to abuse them. I have to read it to understand how ridiculous they are genius! And giving my opinion IS NOT disrupting anything, and is my choice, so do not preach to me! Mod or not.

Gentlemen!  Ladies.. PLEASE!  Issues.. issues.  You can't fight in here!  this is the War Room!


(General Grappler looked around at the assembled Chiefs, and splke quietly,

"Is there anyone here who feels we should NOT be doing our utmost to protect and defend innocent civilians from a rampaging pack of lunatics bent on destruction and blood-letting, whatever their religious beliefs are?"

Not a single officer in the room accepted this appointed role,

"Good - it's all settled then, and I'll be taking this to The President right now.  Gentlemen, Ladies, thank you for your work and your input.  I don't need to ask if your people are ready to go, and you may issue warning notices while I'm gone.  I'm positive The President will act.  Thank you again."

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:13am:

Grendel wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 9:47am: Its time wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:34am: As we all know people are inclined to stick with a government in the event of war, it seems Abbott is desperate to get on board with any conflict or tragic event around the world to get some traction with the Australian people and do some more grandstanding . How long before he deploys our troops and where, will this coincide with a DD. He knows LNP are doomed and we know a dog act like this isn't beyond him. DIPSTICK OF THE DAY AWARD, goes to... The Suppository. :D :D :D http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG/320px-Engine_oil_dipstick.JPG Honestly  ::)  how many; biased, mindless, bogus topics are YOU going to start. :D :D :D I reckon Greenswhine, DaS and Suppository are all the same dumba$$.

No need to get all hot and bothered and throw around personal insults because your not feeling to good about yourself Grenny, your beloved Tony is failing, I repeat failing dismally in his role as PM and is desperate for a tragedy or war to deflect from the abysmal performance of nothingness for nearly a year, I repeat, nearly a year of nothingness, a harbinger of things to come. He will have our troops out giving their lives for his popularity , he is just that kind of man, much like Howard, except minus the brains , charisma , policies, team around him, and the rat cunning. A transparent fool is your Tony.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24677936/shocking-syrian-war-pic-posted-on-twitter/?cmp=ydn

Mr Abbott won't even go in Pollie Pedal this year - how's he going to go to war?

Thoughts?