Would tougher sanctions on Russia only further hurt the Australian economy?

One of our main export industries took a tough kick after counter-sanctions by Russia. What we saw is what countries in EU are feeling,  the sanctions hurt us more than Russia. Even before counter-sanctions,  EU was very disadvantaged by imposing sanctions on Russia.

I have a theory as to why further sanctions are a very bad idea for Australia,  but I would like to see your poll votes first before I lay it out.

The sanctions are a bad idea in the long term generally. It will force Russia to develop closer links to China and other nations meaning that economic influence over Russia will decline at a faster rate.

The technology blocks will only encourage Russia and it's trading partners to develop the technology themselves. It will slow them down, but in the long term make them more resilient.

Kytro wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

The sanctions are a bad idea in the long term generally. It will force Russia to develop closer links to China and other nations meaning that economic influence over Russia will decline at a faster rate. The technology blocks will only encourage Russia and it's trading partners to develop the technology themselves. It will slow them down, but in the long term make them more resilient.

Well said.

Australia placing sanctions on Russia is an entirely self-defeating exercise, and has absolutely no hope of shifting Russian policy. The more pressure, the more stubborn Putin will be.

It's a futile gesture that may earn Abbott some weak applause from a couple of international political bodies, but ultimately it's just a yapping chihuahua next to the Russian bear.

Don't poke a sleeping bear.

Russia will get its butt kicked by China if it becomes 'Pro-European' like the Ukraine is.
Not only did Russia become the Soviet Union (USSR)
to help kick the Yellow Race out of Asia via
a Default 'Cold War' with the USA based upon some
Jewish pushed Taoism of the entire Northern Hemisphere being 'all-white'.

Such stupidity eh ;)
And you thought the NAZI 'master plan' was bad  :P

Now because the USSR-USA 'default' War failed in its attempt to oust the Yellow people from Asia
(you can quote Gen Macarthur )
China is brewing like a Supernova.
Especially when the Chinese Military knows that its Economy will replace it as industry of 'importance' soon.

So after folding on its Communist ways to become Capitalist
- a slap in the face for China.
If Russia turns its 'back' upon China and becomes Pro-European? Expect ....WAR
China will invade a 'rusted' Russia who has crumbled into Mafia gangs and the President known as Ras-Putin will run like a coward, rather than run for another term in power.
China will overwhelm Russia and although North Korea will bring the USA into the fray. China will take most of Siberia (for keeps) and Yellow Asia will finally have good access to the north into the Arctic.
Good timing because the black Melanesians attack Indonesia and push em 'Yellows' back across the Wallace line into Malaysia.

So ends the Jewish dream of Taoism: for people who can only see in Black & White.  ::)


...Adam (North America) said unto God (Europe)
"Lilith (Asia) will not serve under me!"
So God (Europe) created Eve (Australia) for Adam (North America) to serve 'Down Under' him.
Eve (Australia) listened to the Rainbow Serpent (Aboriginalism) in her Garden who spoke with the voice of Lucifer (Africa) to eat from the Tree of Knowledge.

...anyway, Besides Mother Russia trying to give her boy 'Adam' (North America) her love for want of Lilith's (Asia's) rejection.
Its a happy ending when Lilith (Asia) finds her man Lucifer (Africa) - true love.  ;)

;DLOLOLOLOL

There is growing dissent in the EU over policies that led to a de fact trade war with Russia. Meanwhile the countries not toeing the line are reaping the benefits, irritating those who jumped on the sanctions bandwagon.

China to start direct sales of fruit and vegetables to Russia



Poland asks US to buy apples banned by Russia

Greek members of the European Parliament demanded Sunday that the EU cancel sanctions against Russia. MEPs Kostantinos Papadakis and Sotiris Zarianopoulos said in a letter to some senior EU officials that Russia’s ban on food import from the EU, which was Moscow’s response to anti-Russian sanctions, was ruinous to Greek agriculture.

“Thousands of small- and middle-sized Greek farms producing fruit and vegetables and selling them primarily to the Russian market have been hit hard now as their unsold products are now rotting at warehouses,” the letter said.

The MEPs are representing the Communist Party of Greece and blame the EU leaders and their own government for supporting what they called “an imperialist intervention by the US, the EU and NATO” in Ukraine at the expense of good relations with Russia.

Greece is one of the EU members hit hardest by the Russian import ban, partially due to its economy still being in turmoil. Greek farmers stand to lose an estimated 200 million euro in direct damages due to Russia’s move, with more long-term consequences expected even if year-long ban is not renewed on expiry. The producers may find it very hard to win back the market share they had before the ban as non-affected countries would certainly weight in.

Oh no - if Russia puts sanctions on OZ
You all know what that means!

No more Russian Email Brides!
Gotta go back to those ugly Phillipino types again.  :P

Jasin wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Oh no - if Russia puts sanctions on OZ You all know what that means! No more Russian Email Brides! Gotta go back to those ugly Phillipino types again.  :P

That's literally the least of your worries.  Abbott is going to shoot himself in the foot with these uranium sanctions

Kytro wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

The sanctions are a bad idea in the long term generally. It will force Russia to develop closer links to China and other nations meaning that economic influence over Russia will decline at a faster rate. The technology blocks will only encourage Russia and it's trading partners to develop the technology themselves. It will slow them down, but in the long term make them more resilient.

perhaps you forget the COld War technology sanctions that let USSR to develop its own technology and the pitiful standard of much of it. Computer technology decades behind, military hardware that was unreliable and poorly performing. Even its much-vaunted (and unproven) ICBMs were later revealed to have such inaccurate guidance systems that hitting the right COUNTRY would have been difficult, nevermind the right city or smaller target.

technology sanctions hurt Russia as they have a poor record in technology development. Do you ever go into an electronics or computer store and drool over the latest Russian hardware and software?? nope. no one else does either.

Perses wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

There is growing dissent in the EU over policies that led to a de fact trade war with Russia. Meanwhile the countries not toeing the line are reaping the benefits, irritating those who jumped on the sanctions bandwagon. China to start direct sales of fruit and vegetables to Russia Poland asks US to buy apples banned by Russia Greek members of the European Parliament demanded Sunday that the EU cancel sanctions against Russia. MEPs Kostantinos Papadakis and Sotiris Zarianopoulos said in a letter to some senior EU officials that Russia’s ban on food import from the EU, which was Moscow’s response to anti-Russian sanctions, was ruinous to Greek agriculture. “Thousands of small- and middle-sized Greek farms producing fruit and vegetables and selling them primarily to the Russian market have been hit hard now as their unsold products are now rotting at warehouses,” the letter said. The MEPs are representing the Communist Party of Greece and blame the EU leaders and their own government for supporting what they called “an imperialist intervention by the US, the EU and NATO” in Ukraine at the expense of good relations with Russia. Greece is one of the EU members hit hardest by the Russian import ban, partially due to its economy still being in turmoil. Greek farmers stand to lose an estimated 200 million euro in direct damages due to Russia’s move, with more long-term consequences expected even if year-long ban is not renewed on expiry. The producers may find it very hard to win back the market share they had before the ban as non-affected countries would certainly weight in.

perhaps you should ask yourself the question of why Russia is fighting back if sanctions have been so ineffective?  You also need to remember that this is a vast country with a proven inability to feed itself.  it needs us at least as much as we need them and perhaps more so.

Jasin wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Oh no - if Russia puts sanctions on OZ You all know what that means! No more Russian Email Brides! Gotta go back to those ugly Phillipino types again.  :P

;D

Be careful what you wish for. The Russian mafia controls the Russian brides racket, and once they have one of their girls married off to you, it's then that they move in and relieve you of your home and property under our own piss-weak divorce laws in which 'Irreconcilable differences' is enough to toss you out onto the street.

There have been articles written about it in our Sydney papers.

'Russian brides'? ~ Buyer Beware!

As for the Filipina Mail Order brides ~ I think they serve a useful purpose in keeping our paedophiles off the streets and away from the school grounds.

Their small and childlike stature, and immature-looking bodies makes them an ideal substitute for paedos looking for a bit of schoolgirl action.

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

Would tougher sanctions on Russia only further hurt the Australian economy? One of our main export industries took a tough kick after counter-sanctions by Russia. What we saw is what countries in EU are feeling,  the sanctions hurt us more than Russia. Even before counter-sanctions,  EU was very disadvantaged by imposing sanctions on Russia. I have a theory as to why further sanctions are a very bad idea for Australia,  but I would like to see your poll votes first before I lay it out.

well what else do you suggest??.. throw boomerangs at them>..

America has already stopped them travelling to USA.its starts off small no more visas..Putin is the one sending out the message and I say let him get on with it.. he likes flexing his muscle for show doesnt he?

..will Russia and China trust each other...not bloody likely .. far too close for comfort...

and CHina has a bigger army than Russia and are far more advanced...and they are both land hungry...

we are lucky we are girt by sea... it protects us from our enemies marshalling their armies on our borders..


its time the West stood up to these bullies who think they can ride roughshod over everyone because their are more of them...I hate bullies...so am all for sending them a message..

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 6:40pm: Would tougher sanctions on Russia only further hurt the Australian economy? One of our main export industries took a tough kick after counter-sanctions by Russia. What we saw is what countries in EU are feeling,  the sanctions hurt us more than Russia. Even before counter-sanctions,  EU was very disadvantaged by imposing sanctions on Russia. I have a theory as to why further sanctions are a very bad idea for Australia,  but I would like to see your poll votes first before I lay it out. well what else do you suggest??.. throw boomerangs at them>.. America has already stopped them travelling to USA.its starts off small no more visas..Putin is the one sending out the message and I say let him get on with it.. he likes flexing his muscle for show doesnt he? ..will Russia and China trust each other...not bloody likely .. far too close for comfort... and CHina has a bigger army than Russia and are far more advanced...and they are both land hungry... we are lucky we are girt by sea... it protects us from our enemies marshalling their armies on our borders.. its time the West stood up to these bullies who think they can ride roughshod over everyone because their are more of them...I hate bullies...so am all for sending them a message..

and the message is being felt.  Russia has a teetering economy and is perennially unable to feed itself and is a technological dud.  it needs the west's goods more than we need to sell them. Its oil and gas exports are the true fly in the ointment as Europe has become dependant on it. But at the same time, Russia has become dependant on the hard currency it generates.

Sanctions on Russia......?

Please pardon my lack of hysteria, but WHY......????

Would all those screaming for sanctions on Russia please stand up.

Now, please outline your iron clad case for the need for sanctions.....

And please don't tell me it's because they were involved in bringing MH 17 down!

BluntObject wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Sanctions on Russia......? Please pardon my lack of hysteria, but WHY......???? Would all those screaming for sanctions on Russia please stand up. Now, please outline your iron clad case for the need for sanctions..... And please don't tell me it's because they were involved in bringing MH 17 down!

that's not enough of a reason????  or their invasion of Ukraine???

Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead?

A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.

BluntObject wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Sanctions on Russia......? Please pardon my lack of hysteria, but WHY......???? Would all those screaming for sanctions on Russia please stand up. Now, please outline your iron clad case for the need for sanctions..... And please don't tell me it's because they were involved in bringing MH 17 down!

You da man, B.

It's got me stumped too. Talk about Australia shooting itself in the foot ...

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Kytro wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:24pm: The sanctions are a bad idea in the long term generally. It will force Russia to develop closer links to China and other nations meaning that economic influence over Russia will decline at a faster rate. The technology blocks will only encourage Russia and it's trading partners to develop the technology themselves. It will slow them down, but in the long term make them more resilient. perhaps you forget the COld War technology sanctions that let USSR to develop its own technology and the pitiful standard of much of it. Computer technology decades behind, military hardware that was unreliable and poorly performing. Even its much-vaunted (and unproven) ICBMs were later revealed to have such inaccurate guidance systems that hitting the right COUNTRY would have been difficult, nevermind the right city or smaller target. technology sanctions hurt Russia as they have a poor record in technology development. Do you ever go into an electronics or computer store and drool over the latest Russian hardware and software?? nope. no one else does either.

Looks like Uncle Sam's propaganda went right to your head. Boy are you in for a surprise  ::)

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead? A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.

ISIS is using USA made weapons now to wreak havoc in Iraq, is this America's fault...... oh wait....it is actually. Sorry bad example.

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Grin Be careful what you wish for. The Russian mafia controls the Russian brides racket, and once they have one of their girls married off to you, it's then that they move in and relieve you of your home and property under our own piss-weak divorce laws in which 'Irreconcilable differences' is enough to toss you out onto the street. There have been articles written about it in our Sydney papers. 'Russian brides'? ~ Buyer Beware! As for the Filipina Mail Order brides ~ I think they serve a useful purpose in keeping our paedophiles off the streets and away from the school grounds. Their small and childlike stature, and immature-looking bodies makes them an ideal substitute for paedos looking for a bit of schoolgirl action

Gee Lord Herbert,
you got it in a nutshell there.
Throw in the shaved vaginas of USA Skanks to promote infantilism...

Bali: Capital of the Aussie Paedophile.

...mind you, most of Canberra speaks Russian anyway. :-?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

perhaps you forget the COld War technology sanctions that let USSR to develop its own technology and the pitiful standard of much of it. Computer technology decades behind, military hardware that was unreliable and poorly performing. Even its much-vaunted (and unproven) ICBMs were later revealed to have such inaccurate guidance systems that hitting the right COUNTRY would have been difficult, nevermind the right city or smaller target. technology sanctions hurt Russia as they have a poor record in technology development. Do you ever go into an electronics or computer store and drool over the latest Russian hardware and software?? nope. no one else does either.

Russia was already behind the US and after WWII the US got hold of many of the good scientists from Germany giving them an advantage.

However, it is really besides the point. Today isn't the same as the cold war. Technology advances are much more ubiquitous and easier than ever to copy, sanctions or not. China is improving in leaps and bounds, and it will sell it's technology to Russia.

China is going to invade the hell out of a rusted Russia and just plain take Siberia off their hands.
Even Ra-Ra-Ras...Putin knows this.

I propose that Australia stop the export of finest export grade Tassie brand Merkins to Russia. That will be the most effective way to spread misery.

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

Would tougher sanctions on Russia only further hurt the Australian economy? One of our main export industries took a tough kick after counter-sanctions by Russia. What we saw is what countries in EU are feeling,  the sanctions hurt us more than Russia. Even before counter-sanctions,  EU was very disadvantaged by imposing sanctions on Russia. I have a theory as to why further sanctions are a very bad idea for Australia,  but I would like to see your poll votes first before I lay it out.

The idea behind sanctions is there is almost always a sacrifice involved.

I mean this is just the kind of of thing we'd expect from an Aussie. 'We won't penalize a bully if it's goin' to 'urt us financially'. A very 'Aussie' position. To hell with the rest of the world, let's just think of ourselves (anyone might fink we 'ave descended from convicts or somefing). This is the same selfish pragmatism that's letting us turn back genuine refuges to this country. Money coming before people is easily accepted by the cockney convict. 

Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all.

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 10:24am: Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead? A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile. ISIS is using USA made weapons now to wreak havoc in Iraq, is this America's fault...... oh wait....it is actually. Sorry bad example.

mainly through chopping the head of the one it was meant for... dont let that get in the way though...

and dont forget all these nasty sanctions are INTERNATIONAL>...poor Russia its hard when you sympathise with the other side isnt it?

GA wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all.

so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told..

I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it.

why didnt he do that??????????? :D

Russia imports fine grade uranium from Australia. My bet is that Putin will bend over a lick Abbott's balls.

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

GA wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:11pm: Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all. so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told.. I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it. why didnt he do that??????????? :D

It's not 'our' zone in any sense. Abbott should have some respect. And the airliner was shot down because it overflew a war zone, more than for any other reason.

Aussieland couldn't even defend itself against Fijians if they'd decided to invade us with outrigger canoes. Aussies depend on the country they despise most to give them security, the US.

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead?

The hypocrisy. Abbott makes a big stink about 'Aussies' dieing (ignoring the more than a thousand others that have already died as a result of the conflict) then baulks at economic sanctions.

Aussie of the year nomination for Aussie Tony, I say. Putting money ahead of people, how typical. I mean we put money ahead of animal welfare, why not people too?


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A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.

It wouldn't make a lot of sense a Russian firing the missile, unless it was a mistaken target.

GA wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:23pm: GA wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:11pm: Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all. so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told.. I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it. why didnt he do that??????????? :D It's not 'our' zone in any sense. Abbott should have some respect. And the airliner was shot down because it overflew a war zone, more than for any other reason. Aussieland couldn't even defend itself against Fijians if they'd decided to invade us with outrigger canoes. Aussies depend on the country they despise most to give them security, the US.

REALLY.. and theres me agreeing with a lefty who think Abbott didnt do enough...hohum cant win...

btw I dont dispise anyone.. especially USA... you can take your HATE and JAM IT..

I think more aussie respect America than despise it as you claim..

I do have a few boomerangs lying around.. I am sure I will defend ok..

tell you what .. at least I would have a go...not run like a wimp

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

GA wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 5:11pm: cods wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:23pm: GA wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 4:11pm: Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all. so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told.. I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it. why didnt he do that??????????? :D It's not 'our' zone in any sense. Abbott should have some respect. And the airliner was shot down because it overflew a war zone, more than for any other reason. Aussieland couldn't even defend itself against Fijians if they'd decided to invade us with outrigger canoes. Aussies depend on the country they despise most to give them security, the US. REALLY.. and theres me agreeing with a lefty who think Abbott didnt do enough...hohum cant win... btw I dont dispise anyone.. especially USA... you can take your HATE and JAM IT.. I think more aussie respect America than despise it as you claim.. I do have a few boomerangs lying around.. I am sure I will defend ok.. tell you what .. at least I would have a go...not run like a wimp

I'd welcome the Fijians in, they'd do a better job of running this country than any cockney convicts ever could. And they'd be patriots, there loyalty would be to this country, not to mother England, which is where the Aussies loyalties lie.

But maybe we should let NZ run the place, at least they are not that far away that being remotely ran by another country wouldn't become an on-going embarrassment. Because, let's face it, it's only a matter of time before 'Aussies' start begging the British to resume 'full' control.

And an Australian delegation has already lobbied the US to take us over, something the Americans are too respectful to even consider doing of course. Besides it's something they couldn't legally do as we are still a British colony, something that Aussies reasserted in the 89 referendum. 

Abbott is waiting for instructions from Longweekend58. Might be a while before he sobers up.