From Canon Andrew White - The respected 'Vicar of Baghdad' says this :

I spoke to one woman who had survived the massacres in Qaraqosh. She had a bandaged left hand. When IS soldiers could not remove her gold wedding ring, they had simply hacked off her finger. She wept as she told me.

The refugees are now penniless, robbed of their homes and possessions. Christian houses were daubed with the letter ‘N’ for Nazere and given to Muslim families.

I met Hana, who used to be the caretaker of my church in Baghdad, and fought to stay dry-eyed as he told me the fate of his youngest son, aged five. The boy was chopped in half in front of Hana’s eyes during an IS attack

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2720983/Vicar-Baghdad-We-need-military-actions-NOW.html

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq.

Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

What should the West do? Support the Kurds in their quest for an independent Kurdistan... Arm them and defend them... Put pressure on all middle eastern nations (particularly Turkey) to recognise the right of Kurdistan to exist.

Kurdistan is a psychological oasis within a desert of Islamic, medieval monarchical and dictatorial psychopathy.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

History will not be kind on George W Bush.
It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:46am: And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West. History will not be kind on George W Bush. It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

History may not be kind on Bush, Blair, Howard and others, but, to date, only Blair has been confronted by his own people. Bush and Howard have either been 'forgiven' or their involvement in the affair 'put away privily' by their respective nation.

What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will  have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will  have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.

History is against you on that one...

To legitimise IS is to appease them.

Emboldened by the lightning success of their latter day 'blitzkrieg', they will consider themselves 'ordained by god' (Gott mit uns) to export the war to the whole region and then into Europe.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

Shakey wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:27am: What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will  have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves. History is against you on that one... To legitimise IS is to appease them. Emboldened by the lightning success of their latter day 'blitzkrieg', they will consider themselves 'ordained by god' (Gott mit uns) to export the war to the whole region and then into Europe.

Religious nuts never prosper. Look what happened with the Taliban. These people are worse. They won't make it to Europe in numbers. We'll get small groups of the ones already in our countries.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:46am: And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West. History will not be kind on George W Bush. It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

Exactly. Muslims hacking each others heads off in the middle east always reflects poorly on western leaders.

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:37am: Shakey wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:27am: What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will  have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves. History is against you on that one... To legitimise IS is to appease them. Emboldened by the lightning success of their latter day 'blitzkrieg', they will consider themselves 'ordained by god' (Gott mit uns) to export the war to the whole region and then into Europe. Religious nuts never prosper. Look what happened with the Taliban. These people are worse. They won't make it to Europe in numbers. We'll get small groups of the ones already in our countries.

Religious fanaticism often prospers initially...  Look what happened to the Taliban you ask? The Afghan government and it's successors is now and will be forced to negotiate with the Taliban.

Unfortunately there is and always will be a psychological mindset that craves rigid constraint on thought, social interaction and culture.

The world turns.

And if you wait long enough, so do worms.




[one of Yadda's shorter posts]

freediver wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:14am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:46am: And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West. History will not be kind on George W Bush. It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them. Exactly. Muslims hacking each others heads off in the middle east always reflects poorly on western leaders.

Hi FD,

watch this on soon tonight:


Quote:

Mad Dog: Inside the Secret World of Muammar Gaddafi     8.34pm - 10.02pm     ABC2 / ABC4     Tonight Gaddafi's story is a study of absolute power, told not by politicians but by those who served the late Libyan leader whose rule, underpinned by massive oil revenue, was amongst the most unforgiving of any modern despot.

http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=317299&event_id=62397265&region_id=94


Whether it's ISIS or a despot it seems to make no difference in the Middle East.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Whether it's ISIS or a despot it seems to make no difference in the Middle East.

Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 7:06pm: Whether it's ISIS or a despot it seems to make no difference in the Middle East. Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

It's true - watch ABC2  tonight for the proof.

namaste

The nazis were infected with a small core of sadistic monsters , for sure.

But don't forget , the Wehrmacht were possibly the greatest army ever to walk the earth and Rommel, Model, kesselring, von runstedt , etc were military geniuses and highly moral men of culture from the Prussian military academies.

Isis have no Wehrmacht, they are rabble,

They will become target practice for US drones.

10 apache longbows could wipe the lot out.
America is being slow because the Isis are so stupid as to be posting be headings on you tube and building world sentiment against them. The nazis never would have let aushwitz go on you tube. Goebels understood the power of advertising.

The Middle East is just desert, the world has turned it's back on oil, there should soon be civil war in Saudi, Yemen, Egypt,
For all we know Qatar, the richest country on earth may not hold that position for long

The spread thru Europe will stop
The whites will be fed continuous images of this brutality and they'll say not in my backyard,
I'd advise moderate European Muslims to convert to Christianity or to atheism in double quick time

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 6:22am:

The nazis were infected with a small core of sadistic monsters , for sure. But don't forget , the Wehrmacht were possibly the greatest army ever to walk the earth and Rommel, Model, kesselring, von runstedt , etc were military geniuses and highly moral men of culture from the Prussian military academies. Isis have no Wehrmacht, they are rabble, They will become target practice for US drones. 10 apache longbows could wipe the lot out. America is being slow because the Isis are so stupid as to be posting be headings on you tube and building world sentiment against them. The nazis never would have let aushwitz go on you tube. Goebels understood the power of advertising.

Yes, there is that myth about the Wehrmacht. I think you need to find out more about the atrocities committed by them.

Mein Kampf publicly defined Hitler's intentions towards the 'untermenschen' he believed were a fifth column in German society.

No public displays? Kristallnacht? 9–10 November 1938... Also called by Nazis 'Martin Luther's birthday present'.

Very public displays of Jewish persecution began in Germany, Sudetenland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, then Poland years before the 'final solution'.

In Linz, Austria, Mauthausen concentration camp ran from the Anschluss in 1938 until May 1945 and was well known to the people of Linz from the beginning. All locals knew of its existence and most approved of it... Check out the 'Mauthausen Rabbit Chase'.

The Nazis did make an effort to conceal the full truth of their crimes, but it was done mainly through intimidation against speaking of them by the local population.

Fast forward 70 years, into a communication age unparalleled in history, it is entirely understandable that a modern Nazist regime would not and could not, hide their crimes as they may have been able to 70 years earlier.

;) ;)

north, if Rommel was in the desert now, he'd roll through ISIS like a hot knife through butter.
these chappies aren't a military threat.
they are OK at hacking heads off civilians but that's about it.
I remember storman norman talking about anticipated losses when desert storm 1 was launched.
he estimated in the 10,000 vicinity. I think they lost about 50.

one yank with a bulldozer just rolled along the Iraqi front line burying the enemy in their trenches.

the muslims aren't the greatest fighters on earth. in fact, they're pretty piss weak.

the viet cong, now they were brave.
these middle eastern men are cowards underneath.

they'll be taken out when it suits the yanks.
plenty of time to sell arms to the Saudis and make a profit in the meantime.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

;) ;) north, if Rommel was in the desert now, he'd roll through ISIS like a hot knife through butter. these chappies aren't a military threat. they are OK at hacking heads off civilians but that's about it. I remember storman norman talking about anticipated losses when desert storm 1 was launched. he estimated in the 10,000 vicinity. I think they lost about 50. one yank with a bulldozer just rolled along the Iraqi front line burying the enemy in their trenches. the muslims aren't the greatest fighters on earth. in fact, they're pretty piss weak. the viet cong, now they were brave. these middle eastern men are cowards underneath. they'll be taken out when it suits the yanks. plenty of time to sell arms to the Saudis and make a profit in the meantime.

How someone fights in war depends on the extent to which he believes in the cause he's fighting for.

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their
weapons & surrendered to ISIS.

They were herded like cattle & all executed.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & surrendered to ISIS. They were herded like cattle & all executed.

Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants...

Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:09am: ;) ;) north, if Rommel was in the desert now, he'd roll through ISIS like a hot knife through butter. these chappies aren't a military threat. they are OK at hacking heads off civilians but that's about it. I remember storman norman talking about anticipated losses when desert storm 1 was launched. he estimated in the 10,000 vicinity. I think they lost about 50. one yank with a bulldozer just rolled along the Iraqi front line burying the enemy in their trenches. the muslims aren't the greatest fighters on earth. in fact, they're pretty piss weak. the viet cong, now they were brave. these middle eastern men are cowards underneath. they'll be taken out when it suits the yanks. plenty of time to sell arms to the Saudis and make a profit in the meantime. How someone fights in war depends on the extent to which he believes in the cause he's fighting for.

Possibly.
I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers.
again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent.

I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them.
they have that esprit de corps.

this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training.
the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens.

ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country.

You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm.
the people then relax and focus.

you need this militarily and you need this politically.
the muslims need a strong man at the helm.
sadam, for all his faults was a strong man.

I still cant work out why they replaced him, unless it was to engineer the current situation ;) ;).
the americans have been reading lao tzu ;)

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

Possibly. I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers. again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent. I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them. they have that esprit de corps. this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training. the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens. ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country. You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm. the people then relax and focus. you need this militarily and you need this politically. the muslims need a strong man at the helm. sadam, for all his faults was a strong man.

All peoples prefer a strong leader.

But strong leaders are less crucial when the people are inspired. It's crucial only when they are desperate or in despair. Kneel, Mustafa Kemal...  Arise, Ataturk!

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & surrendered to ISIS. They were herded like cattle & all executed.

In my professional role I work with several Egyptians and an Iraqi, a Malaysian muslim (she converted purely to get a promotion in the civil service where you must be muslim but she eats pork :D).
the muslim world is a true mish mash of hatreds.
the arabs detest the Persians. the arabs hate the Iranians and the Shiites in Iraq more than they hate the jews.
its a good balance, iran v Iraq was a fairly even war. the USA provided arms to both . again, I think the USA has played the whole area for fools (well you have to be a fool to be played like a fool).
the only guy who seemed to cotton on and show some intelligent planning was bin laden.

when the Saudis run out of oil money to bribe the USA with they will topple too and it will be a bloodbath.

Arab spring.....not going so well so far

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:43am: Possibly. I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers. again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent. I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them. they have that esprit de corps. this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training. the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens. ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country. You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm. the people then relax and focus. you need this militarily and you need this politically. the muslims need a strong man at the helm. sadam, for all his faults was a strong man. All peoples prefer a strong leader. But strong leaders are less crucial when the people are inspired. It's crucial only when they are desperate or in despair. Kneel, Mustafa Kemal...  Arise, Ataturk!

ah, if only they could clone him.
without attaturk, it is highly likely the aussies would have gained the ascendency on day 2 at gallipolli, they rolled 10 km inland and attaturk rallied the retreating turks (many who were out of ammunition) and counterattacked driving the aussies back.

one wonders what the whole history of the region would be without this man.

truly a hero

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:51am: aquascoot wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:43am: Possibly. I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers. again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent. I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them. they have that esprit de corps. this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training. the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens. ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country. You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm. the people then relax and focus. you need this militarily and you need this politically. the muslims need a strong man at the helm. sadam, for all his faults was a strong man. All peoples prefer a strong leader. But strong leaders are less crucial when the people are inspired. It's crucial only when they are desperate or in despair. Kneel, Mustafa Kemal...  Arise, Ataturk! ah, if only they could clone him. without attaturk, it is highly likely the aussies would have gained the ascendency on day 2 at gallipolli, they rolled 10 km inland and attaturk rallied the retreating turks (many who were out of ammunition) and counterattacked driving the aussies back. one wonders what the whole history of the region would be without this man. truly a hero

"I do not order you to fight, I order you to die."

In the arc of opposites, the rallying cries in war of a great leader and deranged demagogue are indistinguishable.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:33am: Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & surrendered to ISIS. They were herded like cattle & all executed. Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants... Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies.

Some people, bizarrely imagine that there is some virtue in ISLAM, and some virtue even within ISLAM's cadres.

That, is a delusion entertained even in the West, among many non-moslems.




TO SEE THAT DELUSION ON DISPLAY AMONG OUR OWN POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE WEST,
PLEASE, WATCH THIS YT VIDEO [below]....


Quote:

"Honest, ISLAM is the Religion of Peace", Tony Blair and George Bush The Video That Made Pakistan Block YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCZfnpU1uc Watch Tony Blair and George Bush in the opening of that YOUTUBE video, apologise to ISLAM and to moslems, post 9/11 - when they began their 'war on terror'. Watch Tony Blair and George Bush declare to the world the bona fides of ISLAM as a peace loving religion. "ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant religion....the acts of these people [Taliban, Al-Qaeda] are wholly contrary to the teachings of the Koran." - Tony Blair "I also want to speak tonight directly to moslems throughout the world. We respect your faith..... Its teachings are good and peaceful..." - George Bush Time has moved on, it is 2014, and Tony Blair and George Bush are both out of office. But in exactly the same way that Tony Blair and George Bush refused to confront what ISLAM is, our political leaders in the West, today, are still 'leading us down the garden path'. And our political leaders in the West, today, are still refusing to confront what ISLAM is. And our political leaders are seeking to appease moslems and the moslem community. Both our own political leaders, and the moslem community, are lying to the citizens of Western nations - about the nature and the character of ISLAM. Strange times indeed. Good [truth] is evil. And evil is good.

The Nazi comparison to ISIS only works on the level of brutality. While they were both barbaric to unbelievers and dissidents, when the Nazis came to power they made Germany the leader in almost all fields. This is not to mention the rich cultural history of Germany as well. Now who are ISIS? A bunch of backward clowns who invent nothing, have no innovation, have no creative skills, have no great thinkers, have no great musicians ... they have nothing.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo.

Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 7:28pm: Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps. Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo. Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

And Mohammed's conduct [torturing a victim, 'grubbing' for the community's gold] was all perfect lawful.
[.....why didn't Mohammed consult Allah, and ask him, where the gold was ? "Allah is all knowing." ]




And Mohammed was Allah's favourite moslem - coz Mohammed was the most righteous of all moslems.

:D

THE KORAN, on Mohammed.....

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."
Koran 33.21

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 7:28pm: Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps. Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo. Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

hard for isis to follow that act.

Did someone say Nazi regime?

448 children killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza, UN says

Abbott Lies wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Did someone say Nazi regime? 448 children killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza, UN says

Abbott_Lies,   <-----  LIES

All of those children were moslem children.

Those children were all - HAMAS - child COMBATANTS.i
SEE THE IMAGES OF HAMAS CHILD COMBATANTS, AT THIS LINK.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58

IMAGE....
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg



DON'T BLAME ISRAEL.

BLAME HAMAS, FOR THE DEATH OF MOSLEM CHILDREN IN GAZA.iQuote:

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: 'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood' "Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html








AND........


Quote:

"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."

- Osama bin Laden, November 2001





Quote:

"The Jews love life, .....they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

".....On the one hand, Israeli culture values life in all its aspects, including the sanctity of the life of others. Their soldiers take risks to spare civilians on the other side, unprecedented in the history of warfare. Aware of Israeli inhibitions, Jihadi groups use their own people as human shields in fighting the Israelis. Over the last few years, these Jihadi groups have developed a full-blown death cult in which they raise their children to want to die killing others."

Quote:

"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah





Quote:

"Our blood is cheap compared with the cause which has brought us together and which at moments separated us, but shortly we will meet again in heaven…"

Yasser Arafat (Maariv, Oct. 4, 1996)





Quote:

"Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and [even] call it heroism and martyrdom?"

Tunisian intellectual Al-Afif Al-Akhdar




Those "...we love death" quotes, above, were sourced here...
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/08/02/501/




Google;
jihad - "we love death"

Google;
muslims "we love death"

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/styles/large/public/afplivefive782729.jpg?itok=jYo_P_RE

https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/s-12.jpg

So are these Jewish Israeli combatants legitimate targets also?

http://up.hammihan.com/img/userupload_2013_21439938631406922448.5259.jpg


http://www.imemc.org/attachments/sep2011/settler_child_weapon.jpg

http://www.qassam.ps/files/articles/E5F2241BCE.gif


http://www.destroyzionism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/192642682_2fea4cce66_o.jpg

Quote:

So are these Jewish Israeli combatants legitimate targets also?

Abbott Lies,

Why don't you travel there,        ....to Lebanon, or Jordan, or Syria, or Egypt, or to Gaza ?


And 'rush the border fence' with Israel, and then try to 'take out' some of those Jewish Israeli children, you know, those children who you consider to be 'legitimate targets'.

Let us know how far you get,       ....into Israel.           ;)






Judah is going to destroy ISLAM.


Isaiah 17:12
Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13  The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
14  And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.


Jeremiah 51:19
The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.
20  Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;


....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:22





Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Yadda wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Judah is going to destroy ISLAM.

......with 'a little help' from the God of Israel.




....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:22

Yadda wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Quote: So are these Jewish Israeli combatants legitimate targets also? Abbott Lies, Why don't you travel there,        ....to Lebanon, or Jordan, or Syria, or Egypt, or to Gaza ? And 'rush the border fence' with Israel, and then try to 'take out' some of those Jewish Israeli children, you know, those children who you consider to be 'legitimate targets'. Let us know how far you get,       ....into Israel.           ;) Judah is going to destroy ISLAM. Isaiah 17:12 Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! 13  The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. 14  And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us. Jeremiah 51:19 The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name. 20  Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; ....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: Exodus 4:22 Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

who would want to go israel and live with jewish cockroaches, and thats why they jewish state shouldnt exist and should be destroyed cause as UK MP George galloway mentions " Jews are a cancer of the middle east".

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

The Nazi comparison to ISIS only works on the level of brutality. While they were both barbaric to unbelievers and dissidents, when the Nazis came to power they made Germany the leader in almost all fields. This is not to mention the rich cultural history of Germany as well. Now who are ISIS? A bunch of backward clowns who invent nothing, have no innovation, have no creative skills, have no great thinkers, have no great musicians ... they have nothing.

Nazism did not invent Germany or German culture... They fed off it like a parasite...

It did not breed a Beethoven, Goethe, Hegel, or a Kant.

German scientists were great because they were German scientists not because of anything the Nazis instilled in them. Which is the reason Heidegger spent the rest of his post-war life explaining how a great German philosopher as he was could be seduced by Nazism - expect due to an arrogant and burning ambition to succeed at the expense of his dignity, self-respect, the respect of his peers and all his closest friends.

Nazism bred crypto-religion and pseudo-science.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 7:28pm: Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps. Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo. Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

I think you'll find Dark Ages and Medieval Christian Europe could match Islamic savagery blow for blow.

wally1 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 2:43pm: Quote: So are these Jewish Israeli combatants legitimate targets also? Abbott Lies, Why don't you travel there,        ....to Lebanon, or Jordan, or Syria, or Egypt, or to Gaza ? And 'rush the border fence' with Israel, and then try to 'take out' some of those Jewish Israeli children, you know, those children who you consider to be 'legitimate targets'. Let us know how far you get,       ....into Israel.           ;) Judah is going to destroy ISLAM. Isaiah 17:12 Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! 13  The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. 14  And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us. Jeremiah 51:19 The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name. 20  Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; ....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: Exodus 4:22 Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. who would want to go israel and live with jewish cockroaches, and thats why they jewish state shouldnt exist and should be destroyed cause as UK MP George galloway mentions " Jews are a cancer of the middle east".

jews arent a cancer.  id liken them more to chemotherapy

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:33am: Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & surrendered to ISIS. They were herded like cattle & all executed. Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants... Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies.

ISIS are murdering barbaric animals - worse than Nazis.

They must be exterminated off the face of the planet.

Great. The "blame the Joo" crowd has turned up. I guess that proves ISIS is not a Nazist Reich.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:41am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:33am: Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & surrendered to ISIS. They were herded like cattle & all executed. Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants... Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies. ISIS are murdering barbaric animals - worse than Nazis. They must be exterminated off the face of the planet.

There are so many groups fighting in syria/iraq, many flying the black flag.

When ISIS took over mosul, they treated the people very well. Not every violent act is from ISIS.

“We all thought ISIS fighters will hurt people, but they did not do so,” said shop owner Fahad, referring to militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). “It is 100 percent safe here. The only thing we suffer from is the lack of public services.”

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 4:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 11:53am: The Nazi comparison to ISIS only works on the level of brutality. While they were both barbaric to unbelievers and dissidents, when the Nazis came to power they made Germany the leader in almost all fields. This is not to mention the rich cultural history of Germany as well. Now who are ISIS? A bunch of backward clowns who invent nothing, have no innovation, have no creative skills, have no great thinkers, have no great musicians ... they have nothing. Nazism did not invent Germany or German culture... They fed off it like a parasite... It did not breed a Beethoven, Goethe, Hegel, or a Kant. German scientists were great because they were German scientists not because of anything the Nazis instilled in them. Which is the reason Heidegger spent the rest of his post-war life explaining how a great German philosopher as he was could be seduced by Nazism - expect due to an arrogant and burning ambition to succeed at the expense of his dignity, self-respect, the respect of his peers and all his closest friends. Nazism bred crypto-religion and pseudo-science.

The foundations were already there when the Nazis came to power, true. But how do Germans become parasites of German culture? You've got a logical fallacy there.

Anyway, the original point was that the similarity of ISIS and Nazism is only their barbarity, and nothing else.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 4:42pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 11:53am: The Nazi comparison to ISIS only works on the level of brutality. While they were both barbaric to unbelievers and dissidents, when the Nazis came to power they made Germany the leader in almost all fields. This is not to mention the rich cultural history of Germany as well. Now who are ISIS? A bunch of backward clowns who invent nothing, have no innovation, have no creative skills, have no great thinkers, have no great musicians ... they have nothing. Nazism did not invent Germany or German culture... They fed off it like a parasite... It did not breed a Beethoven, Goethe, Hegel, or a Kant. German scientists were great because they were German scientists not because of anything the Nazis instilled in them. Which is the reason Heidegger spent the rest of his post-war life explaining how a great German philosopher as he was could be seduced by Nazism - expect due to an arrogant and burning ambition to succeed at the expense of his dignity, self-respect, the respect of his peers and all his closest friends. Nazism bred crypto-religion and pseudo-science. The foundations were already there when the Nazis came to power, true. But how do Germans become parasites of German culture? You've got a logical fallacy there. Anyway, the original point was that the similarity of ISIS and Nazism is only their barbarity, and nothing else.

Herding 1700 prisoners of war & executing them is just like Nazis.

Operation Barbarossa was a war of annihilation & so is this war.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Herding 1700 prisoners of war & executing them is just like Nazis.

Not really. Nazis killed civilians, including women and children.

Australia is a signatory to international laws regarding war. Some of which declare soldiers who take of their uniforms to be guilty of a war crimes.


Quote:

...A video posted anonymously on social-media sites showed emptied streets, the smoking hulks of destroyed military vehicles and at least one Iraqi police van that was apparently being driven by insurgents. Other photographs showed piles of uniforms that had been stripped off by soldiers... http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/insurgents-seize-iraqi-city-of-mosul-as-troops-flee/2014/06/10/21061e87-8fcd-4ed3-bc94-0e309af0a674_story.html

The Geneva  Conventions (1949) allows summary execution for combatants that are not uniformed or carry some symbol of their allegiance recognisable from afar.

Abbott Lies wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 9:38pm: Herding 1700 prisoners of war & executing them is just like Nazis. Not really. Nazis killed civilians, including women and children. Australia is a signatory to international laws regarding war. Some of which declare soldiers who take of their uniforms to be guilty of a war crimes. Quote: ...A video posted anonymously on social-media sites showed emptied streets, the smoking hulks of destroyed military vehicles and at least one Iraqi police van that was apparently being driven by insurgents. Other photographs showed piles of uniforms that had been stripped off by soldiers... http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/insurgents-seize-iraqi-city-of-mosul-as-troops-flee/2014/06/10/21061e87-8fcd-4ed3-bc94-0e309af0a674_story.html The Geneva  Conventions (1949) allows summary execution for combatants that are not uniformed or carry some symbol of their allegiance recognisable from afar.

ISIS kills women & children too.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 4:42pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 11:53am: The Nazi comparison to ISIS only works on the level of brutality. While they were both barbaric to unbelievers and dissidents, when the Nazis came to power they made Germany the leader in almost all fields. This is not to mention the rich cultural history of Germany as well. Now who are ISIS? A bunch of backward clowns who invent nothing, have no innovation, have no creative skills, have no great thinkers, have no great musicians ... they have nothing. Nazism did not invent Germany or German culture... They fed off it like a parasite... It did not breed a Beethoven, Goethe, Hegel, or a Kant. German scientists were great because they were German scientists not because of anything the Nazis instilled in them. Which is the reason Heidegger spent the rest of his post-war life explaining how a great German philosopher as he was could be seduced by Nazism - expect due to an arrogant and burning ambition to succeed at the expense of his dignity, self-respect, the respect of his peers and all his closest friends. Nazism bred crypto-religion and pseudo-science. The foundations were already there when the Nazis came to power, true. But how do Germans become parasites of German culture? You've got a logical fallacy there.

Why should the worst of us define the rest of us?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Anyway, the original point was that the similarity of ISIS and Nazism is only their barbarity, and nothing else.

And their hatred of 'the other' of course.

when the barbaric Nazis tried to establish "leibensraum" in the socialist state , the socialists waged total war against them.

when the barbaric muslims try to establish leibensraum in suburban Australia, the socialists in Canberra weep for them, send planes to fly them in, kick aussies out of their public housing to make way for them.

truly a bizarre situation. ;)

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will  have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.

America receives only half a percent of Iraqi oil of its total imports.

That was on the Bolt Show.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 12:50am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Anyway, the original point was that the similarity of ISIS and Nazism is only their barbarity, and nothing else. And their hatred of 'the other' of course.

And their shared sense of extreme fundamentalist exceptionalism.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

when the barbaric Nazis tried to establish "leibensraum" in the socialist state , the socialists waged total war against them. when the barbaric muslims try to establish leibensraum in suburban Australia, the socialists in Canberra weep for them, send planes to fly them in, kick aussies out of their public housing to make way for them. truly a bizarre situation. ;)

Canberra is just ensuring that our politicians don't become the target of a home-grown terrorist bombing.

This tactic of soft-soaping and pandering to Muslim sensitivities has worked well in the US and Britain. Not a single pollie has been targetted.

The most logical target for terrorism upon a perceived enemy State is to cut off the head of its leadership with bombing and rocket-fire, but the Muslims know this would set loose the Hounds of Hell upon them and their community.

And so they stick with civilian targets to ensure the politicians will continue recruiting more potential terrorist apprentices from abroad through Muslim immigration and the refugees racket.

The first people up on the gallows should always be our own politicians ~ not the Muslims.

wally1 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 6:00pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:41am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:33am: Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & surrendered to ISIS. They were herded like cattle & all executed. Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants... Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies. ISIS are murdering barbaric animals - worse than Nazis. They must be exterminated off the face of the planet. There are so many groups fighting in syria/iraq, many flying the black flag. When ISIS took over mosul, they treated the people very well. Not every violent act is from ISIS. “We all thought ISIS fighters will hurt people, but they did not do so,” said shop owner Fahad, referring to militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). “It is 100 percent safe here. The only thing we suffer from is the lack of public services.”

A shopkeeper within ISIS territory refusing to publicly condemn them? You're kidding.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 7:55am:

A shopkeeper within ISIS territory refusing to publicly condemn them? You're kidding.

;D ;D ;D

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:50am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Anyway, the original point was that the similarity of ISIS and Nazism is only their barbarity, and nothing else. And their hatred of 'the other' of course. And their shared sense of extreme fundamentalist exceptionalism.

And their shared fanatical religious/quasi-religious sense of destiny...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 19^th, 2014 at 9:24am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 7:50am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:50am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Anyway, the original point was that the similarity of ISIS and Nazism is only their barbarity, and nothing else. And their hatred of 'the other' of course. And their shared sense of extreme fundamentalist exceptionalism. And their shared fanatical religious/quasi-religious sense of destiny...

OK, i'll take the 'bait'.



NorthOfNorth,

Wow!     I'm glad that i don't follow a philosophy like that!             ;)

My God EVEN accepts BLACK men, and he even accepts those who say;
"Wow! I've done some really, really dumb things in my life. But i'm truly sorry."


NorthOfNorth,

Do you hate, or despise, or REJECT, a religious philosophy that communicates this to ALL of mankind ???....

Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

AND,

Matthew 7:12
.....whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


Or, do you just hate God, coz he crimps your style ?iYadda wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

..... ..... Anyone can be a member of spiritual Israel [in God's eyes]. Anyone who seeks to please God can be a member of spiritual Israel. Taipan, For example, read Acts 8:26-40 of the black man, an Ethiopian.... Acts 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28  Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. .... .... 36  And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity.

Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856

Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity. Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856 Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this.

Is ISLAM a benign philosophy ?

NO IT ISN'T!


Are non-moslems responsible for the violent intentions and violent behaviour and actions of moslems/ISLAM ?

NO THEY ARE NOT!




Quote:

In unguarded moments, moslems [addressing moslems] do expose their malevolent intent - towards those who are not moslems.... e.g. A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems] #1, [quote] Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece







IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/







As per the directives of Allah, within ISLAM's own foundation texts;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

[/quote]iWhy is it that thinking human beings seem unable to join the dots ?

ISLAM is ISLAM.

Moslems are moslems.




Quote:

Why is it that our political leaders seem unable to join the dots ? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. PROOF ? That the loyalty of the moslem, is to his community, his 'nation', his religion, to ISLAM and its god, Allah ? .......and, to Jihad. [25-July-2014] An Australian Islamist moslem community leader/spokesman, 'rouses the troops' of the moslem nation [the ummah], moslems resident in Australia. Listen to what was stated on 25-July-2014 by a moslem community leader/spokesman, in Australia; [quote]"This nation [i.e. the moslem nation/community, the ummah] has been and will continue to be a nation of Jihad until Judgement day. MAKE NO MISTAKE: THE NATION HAS NOT CHANGED ITS THINKING, ITS RELIGION, OR ITS FAITH. [i.e. a moslem, IS, a moslem!!!] IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A NATION OF JIHAD UNTIL JUDGEMENT DAY. ...There is no God but Allah, and Jihad is the duty decreed by Allah.  ....it is a delusion to think that Palestine can contain the Jews as well as its people [moslems].  ....Palestine cannot contain the moslems and the Jews. ....IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHETHER A JEW IS PRO-PEACE OR PRO-WAR. ....Khaybar, khaybar oh Jews!! Khaybar, khaybar oh Jews!!"

Australian Islamist Leaders Incite to Jihad to Expel Jews from Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN6B8WBzbpw



[/quote]

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity. Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856 Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this.

They are devils - it's on CNN too:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


but thankfully they have chosen not to show the video.

Poor James Foley.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 10:47pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 9:57am: In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity. Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856 Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this. They are devils - it's on CNN too: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 but thankfully they have chosen not to show the video. Poor James Foley.

This is not about religion... This is about living out the life of a serial killer.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 11:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 9:57am: In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity. Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856 Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this. They are devils - it's on CNN too: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 but thankfully they have chosen not to show the video. Poor James Foley. This is not about religion... This is about living out the life of a serial killer.

Now they are saying that the terrorist was British.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 11:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 10:47pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 9:57am: In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity. Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856 Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this. They are devils - it's on CNN too: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/19/world/meast/isis-james-foley/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 but thankfully they have chosen not to show the video. Poor James Foley. This is not about religion... This is about living out the life of a serial killer.

moh had 100's of people beheaded.

It is religion, it is islam

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 20^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

In one aspect of deviance from Nazist modus operandi, Islamists are overt about their depravity. Islamic State releases video which it claims shows beheading of American journalist James Foley http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-20/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-journalist/5682856 Whether you argue that the Coalition of the Willing at one time precipitated the Iraqi crisis (and you can) nothing justifies this.

NorthOfNorth,

You are completely mistaken.



NorthOfNorth,

You are living in la la land.

Everything that the moslem does, is lawful.       [....otherwise the moslem would no longer, be a moslem!]


Dictionary;
la-la land = =
1 Los Angeles or Hollywood, especially with regard to the film and television industry.
2 a dreamworld.






Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:05am:

Q. What behaviour is halal [permissible] to a moslem [i.e. to every moslem] ? Answer..... ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS!; For a devout moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.

.....and it is completely lawful for the moslem to murder to righteously kill, those who are the enemies of Allah.



As per the directives of Allah, within ISLAM's own foundation texts;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11








It is completely lawful whenever the moslem 'righteously' kills, those who are the enemies of Allah


Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war", i.e. a non-moslem.


".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

Google,
"A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live"




The beheading of US journalist James Foley was a completely lawful act - for the moslem.

It was an act that was completely justified, within - MAINSTREAM - ISLAMIC law.

So please stop whining.......

- .....nothing justifies this. -


Because it is people like you, NorthOfNorth, who are the facilitators of moslem violence, upon innocents.





THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg

wally1 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 12:35pm:

http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg

This is your response to innocent journalists having their heads hacked of while they are still alive!

Un smacking real..... >:(

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:46am: And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West. History will not be kind on George W Bush. It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

Way back in the 1960's I read 'Intervention and Revolution' by Richard J Barnet - where he advocated - at the early stages of the Vietnam intervention by the US - that the very process of intervention had no valid results, but itself actually polarised a population into revolution.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Insurgency_Revolution/Intervention_Revolution.html

I used that book in 21st century Terrorism/Counter-Terrorism studies to point out the reason why so many interventions actually are the root cause of never-ending problems.

It is an excellent book and way before its time.

wally1 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 12:35pm:

http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg

Fortunately we've moved on from the horrors of the Bible -

the Muslims haven't - they are still stuck in a bronze age mentality.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 10:26pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:14am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:46am: And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West. History will not be kind on George W Bush. It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them. Way back in the 1960's I read 'Intervention and Revolution' by Richard J Barnet - where he advocated - at the early stages of the Vietnam intervention by the US - that the very process of intervention had no valid results, but itself actually polarised a population into revolution. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Insurgency_Revolution/Intervention_Revolution.html I used that book in 21st century Terrorism/Counter-Terrorism studies to point out the reason why so many interventions actually are the root cause of never-ending problems. It is an excellent book and way before its time.

so what should we do... sit back and watch them  either kill or be killed....or let the bully win??>..

I am all for not interfering.... but as far as I can see there has been no intervention  in the GAZA and it hasnt stopped yet...

if you have a ruler who rules with fear and death..aka[Saddam Hussein]....is that called PEACE.?

wally1 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 12:35pm:

http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg

Muhammed beheaded 800 scheming Jews in one day.

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 8:02am:

wally1 wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm: http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg Muhammed beheaded 800 scheming Jews in one day.

And this head hacking fetish has returned:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1408621746

the title of this thread is;

"Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name"




James Foley won't be the last 'high profile' victim of the followers of ISLAM.

You lefties and anti-fascists should open your eyes.....

Google;
similarity between islam and nazism





Or don't you 'anti-fascists' care, at all, that those [i.e. moslems, and the moslem community], who you champion and and defend, are the biggest 'club' of fascists that the world has ever known !!!!

With their blatant lies and deceit [which you have unquestioningly sucked up!], moslems have really pulled the wool over your eyes.







http://sites.psu.edu/leadership/wp-content/uploads/sites/8069/2014/07/Wolf3.jpg

"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656



Hey you 'anti-fascists' !!!!!! ;

"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

;D

Honest!








Yadda said.....

Quote:

Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. ISLAM is a murderous death cult. Yadda said.... [quote] Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM. EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community. And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of, Hamas, or the Taliban, or Al-Qaeda, or Boko Haram, or ISIS, or Al Shabaab, or [in Australia] Brothers for Life, OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM; ....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

[/quote]




apologies to bobby.

i've done it again!!!!!!

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 11:48pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm: http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg Fortunately we've moved on from the horrors of the Bible - the Muslims haven't - they are still stuck in a bronze age mentality.

No I wouldn't say the bronze age. Western society has been doing some pretty barbaric things up until about 100 years ago. I am prepared to concede that the middle eastern culture is about 100 years behind the west.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 11:48pm: wally1 wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm: http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg Fortunately we've moved on from the horrors of the Bible - the Muslims haven't - they are still stuck in a bronze age mentality. No I wouldn't say the bronze age. Western society has been doing some pretty barbaric things up until about 100 years ago. I am prepared to concede that the middle eastern culture is about 100 years behind the west.

The Islamist psyche is probably around 600 years behind.

Beheading was a common form of capital punishment used by some Western countries right up until WW2.

Interestingly, considering the title of this thread, the last Western nation to use beheading was Nazi Germany.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 12:58pm:

Beheading was a common form of capital punishment used by some Western countries right up until WW2. Interestingly, considering the title of this thread, the last Western nation to use beheading was Nazi Germany.

I believe the Japanese used it during the WAR..

so not sure about the Western countries you mention.. France  has a penchant for the guillotine

a few years back.. but dont think they used it during WW11.

when did Germany use it?..seems particularly barbaric even for the NAZI regime

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 11:57am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 10:45am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 11:48pm: wally1 wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm: http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg Fortunately we've moved on from the horrors of the Bible - the Muslims haven't - they are still stuck in a bronze age mentality. No I wouldn't say the bronze age. Western society has been doing some pretty barbaric things up until about 100 years ago. I am prepared to concede that the middle eastern culture is about 100 years behind the west. The Islamist psyche is probably around 600 years behind.

I would agree with that as they still believe they will meet 70 virgins in the other world..LOL>>

they dont seem to  realise it only takes once for a virgin to not be a virgin anymore..

and  they do not ask Mohammad where he gets them from?

well just saying.

They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth.

King FriYAY II wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 12:46pm:

wally1 wrote on Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:35pm: http://i.imgur.com/8uhXs24.jpg This is your response to innocent journalists having their heads hacked of while they are still alive! Un smacking real..... >:(

Wally is just being a wally again.
All he has to offer are 5000 year old stories, and the activities of a couple of combat stressed Vietnam vets from 50 years ago.

xiena wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 6:10pm:

They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth.

against extremists, extreme measures are required

xiena wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 6:10pm:

They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth.

Bush knew what to do.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 8:16pm:

xiena wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 6:10pm: They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth. Bush knew what to do.

Someone once advocated laying the Ho Chi Minh Trail with radioactive waste.  I said why not?  Would you prefer their boys to die or yours?

When it comes to cluster bombs and bulldozers burying the opposition, I say bring it on.  A neutron bomb in their area would do wonders...... they could sit all day at Allah's feet in between virgins and stuff and talk about the evils of the Zionist Crusaders....

It seems the psyche of the early 20th century still persists into the 21st.

Bombing them 'back to the stone age' or 'wiping them off the map' (presumably with bombs) still echoes in the west, even at the Pentagon.

Fact is, making victims and martyrs out of women and children seems to have a counter-productive effect...

Who even talks about the 'surge' in Iraq now? No one characterises Afghanistan as a decisive victory for the west and we are still coming to terms with the dramatic defeat of Vietnam.

Puppet regimes (like Al Maliki's government and - decades before - the Shah's) ultimately collapse, bringing with it ultra-violent 'blowback' that threatens the west far more immediately than the original conflict.

Putting the genie of Islamism back into its cultural bottle is a task for those whose roots and lives are within the culture of the Middle East and not from the west which was, for a millennia or more, an enemy of the middle east.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 5:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 8:16pm: xiena wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 6:10pm: They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth. Bush knew what to do. Someone once advocated laying the Ho Chi Minh Trail with radioactive waste.  I said why not?  Would you prefer their boys to die or yours? When it comes to cluster bombs and bulldozers burying the opposition, I say bring it on.  A neutron bomb in their area would do wonders...... they could sit all day at Allah's feet in between virgins and stuff and talk about the evils of the Zionist Crusaders....

It's time that we did what ISIS has done:


take no prisoners.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

It seems the psyche of the early 20th century still persists into the 21st. Bombing them 'back to the stone age' or 'wiping them off the map' (presumably with bombs) still echoes in the west, even at the Pentagon. Fact is, making victims and martyrs out of women and children seems to have a counter-productive effect... Who even talks about the 'surge' in Iraq now? No one characterises Afghanistan as a decisive victory for the west and we are still coming to terms with the dramatic defeat of Vietnam. Puppet regimes (like Al Maliki's government and - decades before - the Shah's) ultimately collapse, bringing with it ultra-violent 'blowback' that threatens the west far more immediately than the original conflict. Putting the genie of Islamism back into its cultural bottle is a task for those whose roots and lives are within the culture of the Middle East and not from the west which was, for a millennia or more, an enemy of the middle east.

north, youre looking at it the wrong way.

1.USA is soon to become an energy exporter. if the middle eastern oil stops flowing, Wall St goes up.

a win for uncle sam.

2. the USA will nev er forgive the arabs for 9/11.
it would appear (at least to my observation) that we are going to see a massive civil war that will engulf most states from algeria to turkey.

This is an american dream scenario.

3.  The USA will not put boots back on the ground (why would they when they can sit back and say we tried but these people are simply too stupid to embrace democracy). So now the US can pump billions into drone technology, sit back in Nevada and just roast any fool they feel like with total impunity and total safety and on sell billions in drones to every other country on earth.

Truly, the west has out foxed the rather retarded peoples of the middle east.

America played its hand well in WW1, it played its hand well in WW2 and if this is WW3, i would say the pentagon has performed brilliantly.
In a world which will increasingly become nationalistic , one must dip ones hat to the CIA and the joint chiefs and say "well played sir". to the victor goes the spoils.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

2. the USA will never forgive the arabs for 9/11.

The USA not only absolved the Arab country of responsibility from which nearly all the 9/11 bombers were citizens, they invaded and destablised a country that played no part in 9/11 and partnered up with a nation from which a large minority of the population sympathise with the 9/11 planners.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

it would appear (at least to my observation) that we are going to see a massive civil war that will engulf most states from algeria to turkey. This is an american dream scenario.

Hardly a dream scenario. Turkey is a NATO ally and Pakistan (which is largely sympathetic to Islamism) is a nuclear power.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

3.  The USA will not put boots back on the ground (why would they when they can sit back and say we tried but these people are simply too stupid to embrace democracy).

Hard to sell is not democracy as much as Pax Europa or Pax Americana


aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

Truly, the west has out foxed the rather retarded peoples of the middle east.

Hardly out foxed the Middle East as blundered about using WW1 and WW2 strategies which have failed since the 60s.


aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

America played its hand well in WW1, it played its hand well in WW2 and if this is WW3, i would say the pentagon has performed brilliantly.

More like the US placed untold billions on 23 red and spun the Middle Eastern roulette wheel.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 5:02am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 8:16pm: xiena wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 6:10pm: They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth. Bush knew what to do. Someone once advocated laying the Ho Chi Minh Trail with radioactive waste.  I said why not?  Would you prefer their boys to die or yours? When it comes to cluster bombs and bulldozers burying the opposition, I say bring it on.  A neutron bomb in their area would do wonders...... they could sit all day at Allah's feet in between virgins and stuff and talk about the evils of the Zionist Crusaders.... It's time that we did what ISIS has done: take no prisoners.

The problem is identifying the prisoners from the innocent.

Much of the answer to this lies with the Kurds... The only part of Iraq stable enough to get the job done and (currently) not infected with Islamist ideology.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

It seems the psyche of the early 20th century still persists into the 21st. Bombing them 'back to the stone age' or 'wiping them off the map' (presumably with bombs) still echoes in the west, even at the Pentagon. Fact is, making victims and martyrs out of women and children seems to have a counter-productive effect... Who even talks about the 'surge' in Iraq now? No one characterises Afghanistan as a decisive victory for the west and we are still coming to terms with the dramatic defeat of Vietnam. Puppet regimes (like Al Maliki's government and - decades before - the Shah's) ultimately collapse, bringing with it ultra-violent 'blowback' that threatens the west far more immediately than the original conflict. Putting the genie of Islamism back into its cultural bottle is a task for those whose roots and lives are within the culture of the Middle East and not from the west which was, for a millennia or more, an enemy of the middle east.

I think they were a bigger threat to the west when they had taken Spain and were making their way into France. I guess it depends on your perspective.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 8:41am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 5:02am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 8:16pm: xiena wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 6:10pm: They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth. Bush knew what to do. Someone once advocated laying the Ho Chi Minh Trail with radioactive waste.  I said why not?  Would you prefer their boys to die or yours? When it comes to cluster bombs and bulldozers burying the opposition, I say bring it on.  A neutron bomb in their area would do wonders...... they could sit all day at Allah's feet in between virgins and stuff and talk about the evils of the Zionist Crusaders.... It's time that we did what ISIS has done: take no prisoners. The problem is identifying the prisoners from the innocent. Much of the answer to this lies with the Kurds... The only part of Iraq stable enough to get the job done and (currently) not infected with Islamist ideology.

But in one case - a few weeks ago - 1,700 Iraqi soldiers
put down their weapons & gave themselves up to ISIS.

They were rounded up & all were executed.

I would rather die in combat than like that.

It shows what we're up against - the worst thugs since the Nazis.

How long did it take them to kill them all? It would be interesting to see if they have topped Muhammed's record of 800 in one day.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 10:42am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 8:41am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 5:02am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 8:16pm: xiena wrote on Aug 23rd, 2014 at 6:10pm: They should follow the same tactics as George Bush Snr. Attack ISIS using tanks and bulldozers, burying them as they go, until they are off the face of the Earth. Bush knew what to do. Someone once advocated laying the Ho Chi Minh Trail with radioactive waste.  I said why not?  Would you prefer their boys to die or yours? When it comes to cluster bombs and bulldozers burying the opposition, I say bring it on.  A neutron bomb in their area would do wonders...... they could sit all day at Allah's feet in between virgins and stuff and talk about the evils of the Zionist Crusaders.... It's time that we did what ISIS has done: take no prisoners. The problem is identifying the prisoners from the innocent. Much of the answer to this lies with the Kurds... The only part of Iraq stable enough to get the job done and (currently) not infected with Islamist ideology. But in one case - a few weeks ago - 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their weapons & gave themselves up to ISIS. They were rounded up & all were executed.

bobby, bobby, bobby,

Haven't you heard yet ?

The executioners of the 1,700 Iraqi soldiers, were Zionists, disguised as ISIS cadres.

Israel has teams of moslem impersonators, death squads, that at a moments notice, can travel surreptitiously to places all over the world, to murder people - WHILE PRETENDING TO BE MOSLEMS!

ISIS has nothing to do with Islam.

The execution of the 1,700 Iraqi soldiers was a preconceived plan of Zionists, who want to deliberately make Islam look bad.            :P




"ISLAM is peace"

AND,

"[ISLAM] rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656


Honest!          :P








+++



bobby,

#1,
HERE ARE EVEN MORE ZIONISTS, PRETENDING TO BE MOSLEMS!!!!!


Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg






#2,
HERE ARE EVEN MORE ZIONISTS, PRETENDING TO BE MOSLEMS!!!!!


"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0





#3,
HERE ARE EVEN MORE ZIONISTS, PRETENDING TO BE MOSLEMS!!!!!

A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4i

ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





+++





QUESTION;
Are [as local moslems would insist] all of these moslems [YT's above] who are inciting violence, and hatred, 'misunderstanding' what ISLAM is ?

OR, is it we, those who tolerate moslems living among us, who are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge what ISLAM is ?

.....because the truth is too terrible, for us to believe ?



"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
Egyptian ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 24^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 9:13am: 2. the USA will never forgive the arabs for 9/11. The USA not only absolved the Arab country of responsibility from which nearly all the 9/11 bombers were citizens, they invaded and destablised a country that played no part in 9/11 and partnered up with a nation from which a large minority of the population sympathise with the 9/11 planners. aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 9:13am: it would appear (at least to my observation) that we are going to see a massive civil war that will engulf most states from algeria to turkey. This is an american dream scenario. Hardly a dream scenario. Turkey is a NATO ally and Pakistan (which is largely sympathetic to Islamism) is a nuclear power. aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 9:13am: 3.  The USA will not put boots back on the ground (why would they when they can sit back and say we tried but these people are simply too stupid to embrace democracy). Hard to sell is not democracy as much as Pax Europa or Pax Americana aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 9:13am: Truly, the west has out foxed the rather retarded peoples of the middle east. Hardly out foxed the Middle East as blundered about using WW1 and WW2 strategies which have failed since the 60s. aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2014 at 9:13am: America played its hand well in WW1, it played its hand well in WW2 and if this is WW3, i would say the pentagon has performed brilliantly. More like the US placed untold billions on 23 red and spun the Middle Eastern roulette wheel.

Its not a failure if your goal was to create a failed region.

Its not a gamble when you have whole regions in America which would go under without pentagon spending.

As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent.
Oil is a bit of a yawn to them at the moment.

if the middle east could start up a silicon valley or a Hollywood , they might provide competition for American industry and cause the "great satan" some economic pain.
this would seem somewhat unlikely ;)

Quote:

As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent

Ummm no. You'll find that they're quite some time away from being energy independent - especially when it comes to their oil requirements. You might be able to claim that in a couple of decades, but most certainly not now.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Quote: As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent Ummm no. You'll find that they're quite some time away from being energy independent - especially when it comes to their oil requirements. You might be able to claim that in a couple of decades, but most certainly not now.

Yeah, they'll depend on Canada for a few more years.....

aquascoot wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Its not a failure if your goal was to create a failed region. Its not a gamble when you have whole regions in America which would go under without pentagon spending. As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent. Oil is a bit of a yawn to them at the moment. if the middle east could start up a silicon valley or a Hollywood , they might provide competition for American industry and cause the "great satan" some economic pain. this would seem somewhat unlikely ;)

Bush's plan was not to fail... He's a "born again" bumbling religious zealot who unfortunately is also a halfwit.... An unfortunate mix.

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US.

Stupid is a stupid does!

Bush does not have now nor had then the intellectual capacity to comprehend the history of the region (although the British did try to warm him) and the existence of the 'Islamist sleeping dragons' of the region which, when woken, will scorch the earth and murder anyone... Muslim, Christian, ethnic minority... whoever...

The reason the region's Monarchies and secular dictatorships are psychopathic is because of these 'Islamist sleeping dragons'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 11:07am: Its not a failure if your goal was to create a failed region. Its not a gamble when you have whole regions in America which would go under without pentagon spending. As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent. Oil is a bit of a yawn to them at the moment. if the middle east could start up a silicon valley or a Hollywood , they might provide competition for American industry and cause the "great satan" some economic pain. this would seem somewhat unlikely ;) Bush's plan was not to fail... He's a "born again" bumbling religious zealot who unfortunately is also a halfwit.... An unfortunate mix. There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US. Stupid is a stupid does! Bush does not have now nor had then the intellectual capacity to comprehend the history of the region (although the British did try to warm him) and the existence of the 'Islamist sleeping dragons' of the region which, when woken, will scorch the earth and murder anyone... Muslim, Christian, ethnic minority... whoever... The reason the region's Monarchies and secular dictatorships are psychopathic is because of these 'Islamist sleeping dragons'.

no problems there for george.
let them murder each other.  just as long as they arent killing yanks.
oh, that journo,  oops.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

no problems there for george. let them murder each other.  just as long as they arent killing yanks. oh, that journo,  oops.

Big problems there for George!!

And big problems for Europe and Australia...

More desperate refugees.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US. Stupid is a stupid does!

I wouldn't  be giving too much credit to Bush himself for the great democracy project in Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and others associated with Project for the New American Century (PNAC) were the main drivers, and to be fair to Bush, he resisted them until the 2001 events occurred.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 1:07pm: There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US. Stupid is a stupid does! I wouldn't  be giving too much credit to Bush himself for the great democracy project in Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and others associated with Project for the New American Century (PNAC) were the main drivers, and to be fair to Bush, he resisted them until the 2001 events occurred.

We are in rare agreement.  I recommend to anyone Bob Woodwards series of books.  Dealing not only with the initial drivers but the completely botched occupation at the hands of Bremer compounded by the antipathy between Condy and Rumsfeld.

Datalife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 3:59pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25th, 2014 at 1:07pm: There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US. Stupid is a stupid does! I wouldn't  be giving too much credit to Bush himself for the great democracy project in Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and others associated with Project for the New American Century (PNAC) were the main drivers, and to be fair to Bush, he resisted them until the 2001 events occurred. We are in rare agreement.  I recommend to anyone Bob Woodwards series of books.  Dealing not only with the initial drivers but the completely botched occupation at the hands of Bremer compounded by the antipathy between Condy and Rumsfeld.

The buck stops with the fool at the top signing it in.

Islam in the Middle East, particularly, has degraded into Islamism... An ideology for psychopathy that can only be challenged by the regimes that oppose it which, inevitably, must become ultimately and equally as psychopathic in their quest for predominance...

Islamism, like Nazism and Stalinist communism, are not capable of negotiation with anything the democratic west has to offer.

Containment from within its geographical heartland by that region's native peoples is the only solution to its quiescence... Not its destruction (which is impossible), but its quiescence.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Islam in the Middle East, particularly, has degraded into Islamism...

Really ?




Your apparent argument that somehow ISLAM does not equal 'ISLAMISM', is a wildly irrational position to be 'broadcasting' in a public forum in these days, isn't it ?

You are effectively saying that the 'moslems' that we know [e.g. moslems in Australia] are NOT 'ISLAMISTS', and that - every moslem - can be lawfully excused for choosing to embrace ISLAM,    .....even though it can be demonstrated that it is - in fact - 'mainstream' ISLAM which promotes the idea that the murder of those who do not belong to that group, can be considered to be a lawful act !!



NorthOfNorth,

Come on!

ISLAM does equal 'ISLAMISM' !!

So why are you,
1/ continuing to choose to excuse moslems for choosing to maintain a dependent relationship with ISLAM,
and,
2/ continuing to refuse to acknowledge that ISLAM is a murderous cult [a philosophy which makes murder a 'lawful' act, for the moslem] ?


Simply put, mainstream ISLAM 'sanctifies' LAWLESSNESS in man, and makes acts of LAWLESSNESS, 'lawful' - for the moslem!


NorthOfNorth,

Why do you continue, and continue, and continue to REFUSE to confront that truth ?


NorthOfNorth,

You have lost your way.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105





NorthOfNorth,

ISLAM has always been a philosophy which insists that the moslem [the person who is subjugated by ISLAM] must uncritically obey his religion [i.e. obey the leaders of his community and instruction of ISLAM's clerics].

Are you going to argue that such a proposition is in error ?

Are you going to argue the proposition that ISLAM does NOT equal 'ISLAMISM' ????????




"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102


"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33






ISLAM does NOT equal 'ISLAMISM' ????????


And ISLAM has always been a philosophy which insists that the devout moslem must inflict murder and violence [as ISLAM's proxy in the world] against those who reject ISLAM's authority over the lives of every man woman and child on the planet.


"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


".......And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

I will ignore the pipe dreams of religious rivals.

Religion, be it Islam, Christianity... whatever... Is ineradicable... The best that can be hoped for is that is can be quiesced such that it becomes non-evangelistic and passive.

The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy.

It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.

Two lazy equivocations in a row, North.
Must do better.

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

Two lazy equivocations in a row, North. Must do better.

I say, dear boy, you don’t think justifying the killer in all of us sums your world view up to a tee?

In the words of the poetess, please explain.

Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

Two lazy equivocations in a row, North. Must do better.

Another wannabe Napoleon... And just when the world needs Solomons

NorthOfNorth,

You seem to regard - mainstream - ISLAM and 'ISLAMISM' as two distinct and separate camps.

I regard - mainstream - ISLAM and 'ISLAMISM' as the same 'beast', which is guided by the one master, ISLAM/Allah, seeking to impose Sharia upon all men.




ALLAH'S LAW STATES THAT,
1/ ALLAH IS THE ENEMY OF EVERY DISBELIEVER,
AND,
2/ NO MOSLEM CAN BE A FRIEND OF DISBELIEVERS, AND REMAIN A MOSLEM


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196






MOSLEMS CANNOT BE THE FRIENDS OF DISBELIEVERS,

ISLAM DOES NOT PERMIT MOSLEMS TO BE AT PEACE WITH, OR TO BE THE FRIENDS OF DISBELIEVERS

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

i.e.
In Koran 5.51, Allah declares, that a moslem who makes a sincere friendship with a disbeliever, or who truly gives their allegiance to an un-ISLAMIC community;
1/ makes himself/herself an enemy of Allah,
2/ makes himself/herself an 'unbeliever',
3/ becomes an 'apostate'/rebel, and,
4/ is worthy of death, at the hand of obedient moslems.







+++




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit


How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War
http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war


Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"






Quote:

"A Study in Muslim Doctrine ...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine



Taqiyya
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”
google

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Two lazy equivocations in a row, North. Must do better. Another wannabe Napoleon... And just when the world needs Solomons

No no - Freudians.

Yadda wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

NorthOfNorth, You seem to regard - mainstream - ISLAM and 'ISLAMISM' as two distinct and separate camps.

There is no other choice.

Islam cannot be eradicated any more than Christianity can.

At its onetime pernicious depth, Christianity's practise could have been described in the context of 'Christianism'... (e.g. the Inquisition, the forced conversion - or death - of native South Americans, the (mis)use of Christian text to justify slavery).

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.

Buddhism is the answer.
But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing"  I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures.

the secular west has all the dough, they have all the weapons, they tend to be "eye for an eye" type people.
oils peaked, the middle east is just another Mali or Chad without it.

this will all end badly for the muslims.

Don't forget the Nazis were one of the greatest military machines of all time and the west took them down.

a few hot head camel-jockeys with some pilfered RPG's and Kalashnikovs.   
the Alabama national guard could take these clowns out and be home for dinner

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:01pm: NorthOfNorth, You seem to regard - mainstream - ISLAM and 'ISLAMISM' as two distinct and separate camps. There is no other choice.

Yes there is another choice.



But you refuse to confront what is true.

You [like many people] refuse to confront, what ISLAM is.

If you can't do that, then you have given up the quest, NorthOfNorth.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105



QUESTION;
Is it an unworthy quest ?

Is that what you are declaring to - YOURSELF !







Quote:

Islam cannot be eradicated any more than Christianity can.

NorthOfNorth,

Neither can criminal activity, among human beings [be eradicated].

But as a society of rational men and women we - rightly - have chosen to try to separate ourselves from those that we consider to be serious criminals - by removing those serious criminals from our society.

But people like yourself, NorthOfNorth, insist that we should tolerate, what we - AS MORAL BEINGS - should regard as intolerable.

No ?




NorthOfNorth,

Why won't you 'step up' ?

Why won't people like you, 'step up' ?

Why won't you acknowledge that we need to, at the very least, separate ourselves from those who refer to themselves as 'moslems' ???



What 'interests' are you protecting ?

What 'interests' do you believe that are you protecting ?iYadda said.....

Quote:

From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement... Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. Every moslem! ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers']. In my estimation, all good moslems do understand what their religious OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems. Those assertions i make, may be uncomfortable to some among us, but are based in TRUTH, and the truthful tenets of 'faith' which ISLAM teaches.

Yadda said.....

Quote:

Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ? Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. ISLAM is a murderous death cult. Yadda said.... [quote] Dictionary; Muslim = = a follower of Islam. EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM. EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community. And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of, Hamas, or the Taliban, or Al-Qaeda, or Boko Haram, or ISIS, or Al Shabaab, or [in Australia] Brothers for Life, OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM; ....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

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Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:03am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:51am: Yadda wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:01pm: NorthOfNorth, You seem to regard - mainstream - ISLAM and 'ISLAMISM' as two distinct and separate camps. There is no other choice. Yes there is another choice.

"There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be corrected by doing what is right."
- ???


Q.
But what is 'right' ?


Pursuing truth, even to our own cost ?iMatthew 13:16
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.


Luke 9:24
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.


John 18:37
Jesus answered,......To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.


John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Psalms 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Buddhism is the answer.

I agree, dear. All the main religions have the personal search for God at their core. Buddhism merely rebrands God as emptiness - the absence of all the conflicting and useless things we use to fill up our minds. Without these things, we discover who we truly are.

This search is at the heart of all religions. Some, however, get caught up in the process of the search - the rules, rituals, laws and hierarchies. Out of this, they create an edifice that abstracts from the search. They create systems of moral justification, good and evil. They enshrine human mediators, and systems of moral absolution.

However, within all the main religions there exist pockets of legitimate truth-seeking. Islam has Sufism, Hinduism has yoga, Judaism the Qabbala, Christianity has schools like the Quakers and different sects have monestaries for service and meditation.

Buddhism is an offshoot of the Vedas, a body of knowledge that later became organised into Hinduism. Buddhism itself is organised into two main schools: the small and large wheels, hinayana and mahayana Buddhism. There's a third if you include the Tibetan Tantric tradition of Vajrayana.

All these religions promote the development of what we, in the West, call the soul. They have different names for this, different prophets and teachers, and different names for God. But they all start with the same goals in mind.

There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree. There is nothing resembling any of this in Christian groups who seek religious "crusades", as I think most Christians would also agree. Within India, there are a few nationalist Hindu groups who seek to subdue Muslim populations, and again, this goes against the message of their faith, and the teachings of most Hindu leaders.

On the Buddhist/Muslim conflict in Burma, the teachings of Buddhism are clear. Division between Muslims and Buddhists are against their beliefs. Here is an letter to Burmese Buddhists, signed by world Buddhist leaders and the Dali Lama:


Quote:

To Our Brother and Sister Buddhists in Myanmar, As world Buddhist leaders we send our lovingkindess and concern for the difficulties the people of Myanmar are faced with at this time. While it is a time of great positive change in Myanmar we are concerned about the growing ethnic violence and the targeting of Muslims in Rakhine State and the violence against Muslims and others across the country. The Burmese are a noble people, and Burmese Buddhists carry a long and profound history of upholding the Dharma. We wish to reaffirm to the world and to support you in practicing the most fundamental Buddhist principles of non-harming, mutual respect and compassion. These fundamental principles taught by the Buddha are at the core of Buddhist practice: Buddhist teaching is based on the precepts of refraining from killing and causing harm. Buddhist teaching is based on compassion and mutual care. Buddhist teaching offers respect to all, regardless of class, caste, race or creed. We are with you for courageously standing up for these Buddhist principles even when others would demonize or harm Muslims or other ethnic groups. It is only through mutual respect, harmony and tolerance that Myanmar can become a modern great nation benefiting all her people and a shining example to the world. Whether you are a Sayadaw or young monk or nun, or whether you are a lay Buddhist, please, speak out, stand up, reaffirm these Buddhist truths, and support all in Myanmar with the compassion, dignity and respect offered by the Buddha. We stand with you in the Dharma, Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh Nobel Peace Prize Nominee Vietnam Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi President Buddhist Global Relief (world’s foremost translator of the Pali Canon) Sri Lanka/USA Dr. AT Ariyaratne Founder Nationwide Sarvodaya Movement Ghandi Peace Prize Laureate Sri Lanka Ven. Chao Khun Raja Sumedhajahn Elder, Ajahn Chah Monasteries Wat Ratanavan, Thailand Ven. Phra Paisal Visalo Chair Buddhika Network Buddhism and Society Thailand Ven. Arjia Rinpoche VIII Abbot Tibetan Mongolian Cultural Center Mongolia/USA Ven. Shodo Harada Roshi Abbot Sogenji Rinzai Zen Monastery Japan Achariya Professor J Simmer Brown Chairperson Buddhist Studies Naropa Buddhist University USA Ven. Ajahn Amaro Mahathera Abbot Amaravati Vihara England Ven. Hozan A Senauke International Network of Engaged Buddhists Worldwide Younge Khachab Rinpoche VIII Abbot Younge Drodul Ling Canada Ven. Sr. Thich Nu Chan Kong President Plum Village Zen temples France/Vietnam Dr. Jack Kornfield Vipassana Achariya Convener Western Buddhist Teachers Council USA Lama Surya Das Dzogchen Foundation International Vajrayana Tibet/USA Ven. Zoketsu N. Fischer Soto Roshi Fmr. Abbot largest Zen community in the West USA/Japan Tulku Sherdor Rinpoche Director BI. Wisdom Institute Canada Professor Robert Tenzin C. Thurman Center for Buddhist Studies Columbia University USA HH the XIV Dalai Lama Nobel Laureate Tibet/India

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:03am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:51am: Yadda wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 11:01pm: NorthOfNorth, You seem to regard - mainstream - ISLAM and 'ISLAMISM' as two distinct and separate camps. There is no other choice. Yes there is another choice. "There is nothing that is wrong, that cannot be corrected by doing what is right." - ??? Q. But what is 'right' ? Pursuing truth, even to our own cost ?

Yes, Y, even to our own cost. The example of your own prophet makes this point resoundingly clear.

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: Buddhism is the answer. I agree, dear. All the main religions have the personal search for God at their core. Buddhism merely rebrands God as emptiness - the absence of all the conflicting and useless things we use to fill up our minds. Without these things, we discover who we truly are. This search is at the heart of all religions. Some, however, get caught up in the process of the search - the rules, rituals, laws and hierarchies. Out of this, they create an edifice that abstracts from the search. They create systems of moral justification, good and evil. They enshrine human mediators, and systems of moral absolution. However, within all the main religions there exist pockets of legitimate truth-seeking. Islam has Sufism, Hinduism has yoga, Judaism the Qabbala, Christianity has schools like the Quakers and different sects have monestaries for service and meditation. Buddhism is an offshoot of the Vedas, a body of knowledge that later became organised into Hinduism. Buddhism itself is organised into two main schools: the small and large wheels, hinayana and mahayana Buddhism. There's a third if you include the Tibetan Tantric tradition of Vajrayana. All these religions promote the development of what we, in the West, call the soul. They have different names for this, different prophets and teachers, and different names for God. But they all start with the same goals in mind. There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree. There is nothing resembling any of this in Christian groups who seek religious "crusades", as I think most Christians would also agree. Within India, there are a few nationalist Hindu groups who seek to subdue Muslim populations, and again, this goes against the message of their faith, and the teachings of most Hindu leaders. On the Buddhist/Muslim conflict in Burma, the teachings of Buddhism are clear. Division between Muslims and Buddhists are against their beliefs. Here is an letter to Burmese Buddhists, signed by world Buddhist leaders and the Dali Lama: Quote: To Our Brother and Sister Buddhists in Myanmar, As world Buddhist leaders we send our lovingkindess and concern for the difficulties the people of Myanmar are faced with at this time. While it is a time of great positive change in Myanmar we are concerned about the growing ethnic violence and the targeting of Muslims in Rakhine State and the violence against Muslims and others across the country. The Burmese are a noble people, and Burmese Buddhists carry a long and profound history of upholding the Dharma. We wish to reaffirm to the world and to support you in practicing the most fundamental Buddhist principles of non-harming, mutual respect and compassion. These fundamental principles taught by the Buddha are at the core of Buddhist practice: Buddhist teaching is based on the precepts of refraining from killing and causing harm. Buddhist teaching is based on compassion and mutual care. Buddhist teaching offers respect to all, regardless of class, caste, race or creed. We are with you for courageously standing up for these Buddhist principles even when others would demonize or harm Muslims or other ethnic groups. It is only through mutual respect, harmony and tolerance that Myanmar can become a modern great nation benefiting all her people and a shining example to the world. Whether you are a Sayadaw or young monk or nun, or whether you are a lay Buddhist, please, speak out, stand up, reaffirm these Buddhist truths, and support all in Myanmar with the compassion, dignity and respect offered by the Buddha. We stand with you in the Dharma, Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh Nobel Peace Prize Nominee Vietnam Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi President Buddhist Global Relief (world’s foremost translator of the Pali Canon) Sri Lanka/USA Dr. AT Ariyaratne Founder Nationwide Sarvodaya Movement Ghandi Peace Prize Laureate Sri Lanka Ven. Chao Khun Raja Sumedhajahn Elder, Ajahn Chah Monasteries Wat Ratanavan, Thailand Ven. Phra Paisal Visalo Chair Buddhika Network Buddhism and Society Thailand Ven. Arjia Rinpoche VIII Abbot Tibetan Mongolian Cultural Center Mongolia/USA Ven. Shodo Harada Roshi Abbot Sogenji Rinzai Zen Monastery Japan Achariya Professor J Simmer Brown Chairperson Buddhist Studies Naropa Buddhist University USA Ven. Ajahn Amaro Mahathera Abbot Amaravati Vihara England Ven. Hozan A Senauke International Network of Engaged Buddhists Worldwide Younge Khachab Rinpoche VIII Abbot Younge Drodul Ling Canada Ven. Sr. Thich Nu Chan Kong President Plum Village Zen temples France/Vietnam Dr. Jack Kornfield Vipassana Achariya Convener Western Buddhist Teachers Council USA Lama Surya Das Dzogchen Foundation International Vajrayana Tibet/USA Ven. Zoketsu N. Fischer Soto Roshi Fmr. Abbot largest Zen community in the West USA/Japan Tulku Sherdor Rinpoche Director BI. Wisdom Institute Canada Professor Robert Tenzin C. Thurman Center for Buddhist Studies Columbia University USA HH the XIV Dalai Lama Nobel Laureate Tibet/India

great post, thanks for that.  i will check out the suffi's,
are they the ones that have this trance like jumping around and then they start bleeding

The whirling dervishes? No, they just spin around in fancy costumes for the tourists.

Along with the dancers, Sufis have sad songs and poetry. Like Yadda’s prophet Yeheshua, they believe God lies within.

And yes, Sufis are persecuted in the parts of the Muslim world that don’t have tourists. The Taliban were never too fond of them.

Gud is great, no?

Quote:

There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree.

When I suggested they don't, your only counter-claim was that they have probably not even heard of the Islamic state.

freediver wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Quote: There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree. When I suggested they don't, your only counter-claim was that they have probably not even heard of the Islamic state.

Then we’ll use your own measure. How many Muslims have you discussed this issue with?

Feel free to reply with an answer, FD.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:26pm: The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself. Buddhism is the answer. But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing"  I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures.

Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries...


aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

this will all end badly for the muslims.

Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

From Canon Andrew White - The respected 'Vicar of Baghdad' says this : I spoke to one woman who had survived the massacres in Qaraqosh. She had a bandaged left hand. When IS soldiers could not remove her gold wedding ring, they had simply hacked off her finger. She wept as she told me. The refugees are now penniless, robbed of their homes and possessions. Christian houses were daubed with the letter ‘N’ for Nazere and given to Muslim families. I met Hana, who used to be the caretaker of my church in Baghdad, and fought to stay dry-eyed as he told me the fate of his youngest son, aged five. The boy was chopped in half in front of Hana’s eyes during an IS attack http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2720983/Vicar-Baghdad-We-need-military-actions-NOW.html And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq. Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West. What should the West do? Support the Kurds in their quest for an independent Kurdistan... Arm them and defend them... Put pressure on all middle eastern nations (particularly Turkey) to recognise the right of Kurdistan to exist. Kurdistan is a psychological oasis within a desert of Islamic, medieval monarchical and dictatorial psychopathy.

many blessings

this is profound wisdom and understanding

of current predicaments

and so it is

namaste


ॐ

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:26pm: The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself. Buddhism is the answer. But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing"  I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures. Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries... aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: this will all end badly for the muslims. Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

many blessings christ light exists within all hearts

fear not.. for it is so ,

and so it is so be it ,

rejoice ! ,namaste

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SweetLambo wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:54am:

Don't do drugs kids.

LOL

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Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 7:07pm: Quote: There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree. When I suggested they don't, your only counter-claim was that they have probably not even heard of the Islamic state. Then we’ll use your own measure. How many Muslims have you discussed this issue with? Feel free to reply with an answer, FD.

I discussed the ideal Islamic state concept with Abu, Malik and a few of the earlier Muslims who were here. Gandalf seems to prefer baby steps.

In addition, the Pew survey asked many Muslims from around the world their opinion on the role of Shariah law in politics, going into some detail. The results are pretty daunting.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:26pm: The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself. Buddhism is the answer. But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing"  I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures. Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries... aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: this will all end badly for the muslims. Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

I think it will fare much worse. Islam cannot stand up to scrutiny without the threat of death for anyone who takes it too far. Even in the west people are afraid to mock it or discuss it openly. It will be a long time before we see the Islamic equivalent of The Life of Brian or The Passion of the Christ, if the global violence in response to a backyard youtube video is anything to go by. Can you imagine how an honest portrayal of Muhammed executing 800 Jews in one day in a hollywood blockbuster would go down?

FD, we all know you talked to Abu and Falah - 7 years ago.

Where’s your survey?

I think it was Malik, through I probably put the same question to Falah too.

There's a dozen or so very long threads about that Pew survey on this forum, mostly Brian and Gandalf trying to explain away the results.

Interesting. You don’t want to link those threads?

It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article.

Nice to see the Islamic Blow Fly Kamel get a chop from Freediver.

Now who said he never cared for all creatures great and small.

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article.

Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts.

Would you like to post your research here?

FD must a have dropped a another crumb from his table that was hahal ...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:26pm: The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself. Buddhism is the answer. But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing"  I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures. Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries... aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: this will all end badly for the muslims. Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

Drawing a parallel between Islam and Christianity is completely spurious. Drawing it is imposing a reflex equivalence between two things that are defined by their essential and diametrical opposition on every theological and philosophical point that matter.

Karnal wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 9:01pm: It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article. Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts. Would you like to post your research here?

It's not research Karnal. It's a survey of Muslim's opinions by the Pew society. I didn't even bring it up.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 9:01pm: It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article. Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts. Would you like to post your research here? It's not research Karnal. It's a survey of Muslim's opinions by the Pew society. I didn't even bring it up.

Yes, FD, but something tells me you don’t want me to read this research

Would you like to post a link so we can have a little look-see?

You brought it up in this post:


freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 7:07pm: Quote: There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree. When I suggested they don't, your only counter-claim was that they have probably not even heard of the Islamic state. Then we’ll use your own measure. How many Muslims have you discussed this issue with? Feel free to reply with an answer, FD. I discussed the ideal Islamic state concept with Abu, Malik and a few of the earlier Muslims who were here. Gandalf seems to prefer baby steps. In addition, the Pew survey asked many Muslims from around the world their opinion on the role of Shariah law in politics, going into some detail. The results are pretty daunting. NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:24pm: aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27th, 2014 at 9:26pm: The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself. Buddhism is the answer. But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing"  I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures. Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries... aquascoot wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:38am: this will all end badly for the muslims. Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt. I think it will fare much worse. Islam cannot stand up to scrutiny without the threat of death for anyone who takes it too far. Even in the west people are afraid to mock it or discuss it openly. It will be a long time before we see the Islamic equivalent of The Life of Brian or The Passion of the Christ, if the global violence in response to a backyard youtube video is anything to go by. Can you imagine how an honest portrayal of Muhammed executing 800 Jews in one day in a hollywood blockbuster would go down?

Karnal wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 4:27pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 9:01pm: It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article. Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts. Would you like to post your research here? It's not research Karnal. It's a survey of Muslim's opinions by the Pew society. I didn't even bring it up. Yes, FD, but something tells me you don’t want me to read this research Would you like to post a link so we can have a little look-see?

Exactly. I am going to keep talking about it until you agree to never go looking for it. On the wiki. In the faith ratchet article. The section about Malaysia. Don't look at all those links to previous discussions about the Pew survey. Many of them have some of the results copied and pasted into the opening post, which I do not want you to look at. You might remember the extensive participation from yourself, Brian and Gandalf.

The Pew research was first brought up by me.

Soren, stop trying to prevent Karnal from looking at it.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 6:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:00pm: freediver wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 4:27pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 2:23pm: freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 9:01pm: It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article. Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts. Would you like to post your research here? It's not research Karnal. It's a survey of Muslim's opinions by the Pew society. I didn't even bring it up. Yes, FD, but something tells me you don’t want me to read this research Would you like to post a link so we can have a little look-see? Exactly. I am going to keep talking about it until you agree to never go looking for it. On the wiki. In the faith ratchet article. The section about Malaysia. Don't look at all those links to previous discussions about the Pew survey. Many of them have some of the results copied and pasted into the opening post, which I do not want you to look at. You might remember the extensive participation from yourself, Brian and Gandalf.

No worries, FD. Just cut and paste the bit where you linked the Pew survey.

Thanks.

No problem. I'll get right onto that.

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Soren, stop trying to prevent Karnal from looking at it.

Don’t bother, old boy. FD’s already onto this.

Islam Is NAZI

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:24pm: Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt. I think it will fare much worse. Islam cannot stand up to scrutiny without the threat of death for anyone who takes it too far. Even in the west people are afraid to mock it or discuss it openly. It will be a long time before we see the Islamic equivalent of The Life of Brian or The Passion of the Christ, if the global violence in response to a backyard youtube video is anything to go by. Can you imagine how an honest portrayal of Muhammed executing 800 Jews in one day in a hollywood blockbuster would go down?

Given quelling Christianity's quest for power took hundreds of years of protracted decline, there's no reason to imagine that Islamism is going to collapse by next week.

Its easy to forget that in 1979, the release of 'The Life of Brian' saw protests and accusations of blasphemy. While it was nothing like on an Islamist scale, it indicates that there was still some energy for 'defending the honour of Christianity' even only 35 years ago, with some parts of the UK lifting a ban on its screening less than 10 years ago.

The Satanic Verses affair gives a revealing insight, not only into a then nascent Islamism, but that Islamism is politically motivated as much as religiously, with Khomeini only issuing his fatwa when it became politically expedient for him to do so... Before that, Iran had little interest in the novel or Salman Rushdie.

As far as Islam is concerned, it will, like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism (and even Scientology!) remain with us for a long time (if not a good time!).

Political Islamism has been in decline for about 8 centuries. What you see recently is not some kind of revival. It is a last gasp.

A cautionary tale (with regards to the eruption of 'Islamic State' terror) is the creation of the Islamic Republic of Iran, with its roots in the overthrow of Mosaddegh and the installation of the Shah by British and American forces.

Its impossible to know whether Iran would have evolved into a modern democratic state had Mosaddegh's government been left to serve out its time, or whether Islamism was always destined to rise up drive it back to the religious dark ages, but it does indicate that Islamist 'sleeping dragon' is no more easily woken badly than when done so by foreigners to the region and the culture.

If Australia must be involved in the fight against IS, this is how we should do it...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-31/australian-planes-drop-humanitarian-aid-into-iraq/5708636

IS can only be burned out from within by the people of the region.

Arm the Kurds and stand with them in their rightful demand for independence.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 6:35am:

If Australia must be involved in the fight against IS, this is how we should do it... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-31/australian-planes-drop-humanitarian-aid-into-iraq/5708636 IS can only be burned out from within by the people of the region. Arm the Kurds and stand with them in their rightful demand for independence.

I suppose we should arm the kurds.
its similar to a pig shoot really on a big station in the NT.
send in the choppers to find the targets and knock a few off.  co ordinate the ground crews to do a bit of mopping up.

I almost feel sorry for these ISIS clowns.

I love to flick on the nightly news and watch the feed from a smart bomb turning one of their convoys into a puff of smoke.
i'd put it in  the sports section of the news.

it is a bit like watching black caviar race or watching the hawks play greater western Sydney. you know your going to witness a champion giving the opposition a thrashing but its still makes you smile.

could we please have a facebook page and some you tube feeds of these armoured vehicles full of charred ISIS bodies to post on the ISIS homepage and on a new twitter feed.

we could call it

"cop this ISIS"  and then Abdullah Abdullah from the Brisbane mosque could look at his daddy's charred corpse and go
"geez daddy, what were you thinking, I think you won the Darwin award for australias biggest idiot"

anyway, i'm enjoying this contest and I would now rate ISIS chances of victory at 1000-1.

Blahahahaha  cant wait for tonights instalment

aquascoot wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 7:07am:

I love to flick on the nightly news and watch the feed from a smart bomb turning one of their convoys into a puff of smoke. i'd put it in  the sports section of the news. could we please have a facebook page and some you tube feeds of these armoured vehicles full of charred ISIS bodies to post on the ISIS homepage and on a new twitter feed. we could call it "cop this ISIS"  and then Abdullah Abdullah from the Brisbane mosque could look at his daddy's charred corpse and go "geez daddy, what were you thinking, I think you won the Darwin award for australias biggest idiot" Blahahahaha  cant wait for tonights instalment

Don't be too quick to feed your own bloodlust... Do you really want to know what it feels like to be a psychopathic killer?

I have a good sense of justice and I think i'm a fair minded person.
if ISIS want to use youtube to promote and glorify their success, I really hope the kurds are able to post some "propaganda ' of their own.
and yes, I have no problems with them posting the effects of a US drone strike on the "losing side"

You see North, what attracts the disaffected youth of Sydney and Brisbane and Bradford and paris to join ISIS is that they seem to be winners.
the west needs to post, in a very matter of fact, non emotional way, propaganda of its own.

disaffected, badly fathered youth are drawn to strength.

these youth will not be drawn to old men in mosques wringing their hands or to david Cameron lexturing them
they understand what winning is and ISIS understand their mentality. western politicians don't.
so you will win them over by showing your toys are better then the ISIS toys.
and , lets face it, THEY ARE.

ISIS are no match for apache gunships and they are about to enter a whole world of pain.
they wont seem so attractive to foreign fighters when they are scurrying off to cellars like scared rabbits  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 7:45am:

I have a good sense of justice and I think i'm a fair minded person. if ISIS want to use youtube to promote and glorify their success, I really hope the kurds are able to post some "propaganda ' of their own. and yes, I have no problems with them posting the effects of a US drone strike on the "losing side" You see North, what attracts the disaffected youth of Sydney and Brisbane and Bradford and paris to join ISIS is that they seem to be winners. the west needs to post, in a very matter of fact, non emotional way, propaganda of its own. disaffected, badly fathered youth are drawn to strength. these youth will not be drawn to old men in mosques wringing their hands or to david Cameron lexturing them they understand what winning is and ISIS understand their mentality. western politicians don't. so you will win them over by showing your toys are better then the ISIS toys. and , lets face it, THEY ARE. ISIS are no match for apache gunships and they are about to enter a whole world of pain. they wont seem so attractive to foreign fighters when they are scurrying off to cellars like scared rabbits  ;)

Psychopathic killing is ultimately self-defeating. Of course ISIS will be defeated, even they know that.

Because ISIS is not about winning... It's about killing.

Indeed, to love death as jihadism does is to say that it is beautiful to receive it and to risk it and that the most beautiful and saintly love is to distribute it. This putrid need of death is evident today across the Middle East.
If that's what jihadism at its fundamentalist core wanted, it got it. It is a form of political nihilism made possible by the sacralisation of violence.
This aspect of jihadism and the capacity of a version of Islam to play into the cult of death is not to desensitise youth to death (as some Western security analysts assert) but to sacralise it.
Before throwing more money at "extremism" and creating more sweeping government powers, the elected representatives of a secular democracy ought to do far more to defend a political way of life and target the promulgation and appeal of this potent and ultimately fascist death cult.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/security-sleeps-as-death-cult-awakes/story-e6frgd0x-1227043006183#

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:00am:

Indeed, to love death as jihadism does is to say that it is beautiful to receive it and to risk it and that the most beautiful and saintly love is to distribute it. This putrid need of death is evident today across the Middle East. If that's what jihadism at its fundamentalist core wanted, it got it. It is a form of political nihilism made possible by the sacralisation of violence. #1, This aspect of jihadism and the capacity of a version of Islam to play into the cult of death is not to desensitise youth to death (as some Western security analysts assert) #2, but to sacralise it. Before throwing more money at "extremism" and creating more sweeping government powers, the elected representatives of a secular democracy ought to do far more to defend a political way of life and target the promulgation and appeal of this potent and ultimately fascist death cult. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/security-sleeps-as-death-cult-awakes/story-e6frgd0x-1227043006183#

Exactly Soren.


ISLAM is a cancer on the human psyche, imo.

ISLAM causes mental instability [insanity], in every human being who embraces it.





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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY. Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0iIMAGE....
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The one holding the AK47 is - Abdullah - from Sydney, on his holy-days.

Moslems, doing 'good works'.

Bringing Allah's peace to mankind.          :P

  Koran 9.123




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