The Israeli ruling Likud political charter:


Quote:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

nation:

a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation

The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation.

Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution.

Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

Israel is allowed to rule the Middle-East via a state of Empowerment...
...but not allowed to 'breed' (populate) there.

Islam is allowed to populate the Middle-East via a state of Poverty...
...but not allowed to have any 'empowerment' (leadership) there.


This is the crux of the matter apparently
and the 'old ways' are disintegrating against Europe.

Islam will throw the last of its 'Empowerment' (and Military might) against FRANCE, just as GERMANY kicked out the last of the Israel 'breeding' program.

Pretty simple scenario huh ;) ::)

How 'stupid' the world is sometimes. :(

'Oh the poor Palestinians, and the wicked Likud!!'               :D



Judah is going to destroy ISLAM.




gandalf,

I've got some bad news for all those, who's love, is for Sharia law.

And for all those who hate the name of Israel....


THE EXTENT OF ISRAEL

Genesis 15:18
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.







Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Genesis 26:4
.....and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;


gandalf,

This is not any man's doing.



gandalf,

Be glad and be happy.

God's Kingdom [on earth!] will be a Kingdom full of peace.

And peace will flow out, from it.

It is not going to be a peace which extends from the influence of ISLAM [nor from Sharia].

Because ISLAM does not exist, ISLAM was swept away.



gandalf,

Be happy for Israel, and bow down before your God and your King.


Psalms 2:10
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11  Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12  Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.



You who cannot see it...

Read Torah!





Not Torah...

Isaiah 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24  Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
25  In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation. Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution. Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades.
It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness.
The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point.
There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point.

Israhell on Earth

Link:  thecrowhouse.com/israhell.html

Remaining properties in Gaza should be worth a pretty penny.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 12:46pm: The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation. Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution. Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades. It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness. The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point. There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point.

Says some guy on the internet, who isn’t a Palestinian, a Jordanian, or an Israeli.

Have shares in Palestinian real estate, do you, CL?

Better get them transferred over to the Kingdom of Jordan.

Shouldn’t be a problem, eh?

The international community should be standing with Israel.

Video tour through Israel

Israel ¡Seeing is Believing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgdb6r0MQ4




Psalms 85:9
Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land.
10  Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
11  Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
12  Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase.
13  Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.

I just realised, Y. Your Bible quotes don’t have any actual connection to the points you make.

Do you just select them randomly, or do you use an algorithm of some kind?

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

I just realised, Y. Your Bible quotes don’t have any actual connection to the points you make.

K,

The Bible quotes, indicate that the people of Israel - the Jews - are blessed by their God.

Though Israel is virtually under siege, from many of its neighbours, Israel and her people, are thriving.




Whereas, the Koran frequently speaks of the death of moslems, for Allah.

And Allah needs many, many MORE, dead moslems!!!!!    ....trust me!


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111i

WATCH THIS VIDEO.....


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The video...... Allah once again blesses the righteous moslems, and sends many of them to his paradise. The moslems are greatful - and in the video, you can hear many of the moslems praise Allah, again and again and again. Luckily, Allah be praised!, the bomb didn't take out the cameraman!       ;) Great camera work!!! Funeral for Muslim Suicide Bomber Goes Up in Smoke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xnBV62xvM

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago

So there was. Sorry I completely forgot we should be basing decisions on who has rights where on 4000 year old kings.

Should I lodge my application for the Philistines' right to the land now? - you know after they were slaughtered and evicted from the land by those same 4000 year old kings?

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

The Bible quotes, indicate that the people of Israel - the Jews - are blessed by their God.

I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel. Yadda how does their rejection of Jesus as their christ and saviour fit in with this strange endearment you have?

Or is it simply a case of 'the enemy of my enemy...'?

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I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel.

Deep down they still blame the Jews for bumping off the Sweet Baby Jesus.

They want the Jews to kick it off with the Arabs/Muslims/Anybody-will-do so as to start Armageddon.
While they're wiping each other out and the Jews are doing the hard work in the final battle, all the good ol' boys and gals, tucked away safely in the south of the US of A will calmly wait for the Rapture where they will all be happily taken up to Heaven by a very grateful Sweet Baby Jesus and his dad, God - all done without them having so much as getting a hair out of place.

The stinking Yids, Muslims and all those other heathens get to suck sh!t and rot in hell for all eternity.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:27am:

Deep down they still blame the Jews for bumping off the Sweet Baby Jesus.

Yet another bizarre contradiction - if they hadn't bumped off the sweet baby Jesus, he couldn't have risen and become "our" christ and saviour

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 10:12pm: The Bible quotes, indicate that the people of Israel - the Jews - are blessed by their God. I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel. Yadda how does their rejection of Jesus as their christ and saviour fit in with this strange endearment you have?

I love Israel, because Israel are the people who were entrusted with God's commandments, statutes, laws, given to mankind, in Torah.




It is all there in the Bible gandalf.

God's plan for his chosen one's.

Selection.

Testing.

Failure.

Repentance.

Forgiveness.

Gathering.

Glory. [redemption]


gandalf,

Do you exclude yourself ?



As it was intended, all along,    ....we are, all of us, 'lost in the wilderness', 'wanderers in the wilderness' gandalf.

We should be learning from the experience of our 'journey'.

But many of us have 'gone native' !

God knew that it would happen.



Many of us have forgotten God.

We love the world, too much!

There is too much 'war booty' around us!




Our God will harvest all of us, gandalf.


Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.








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The Bible, is a holy book. It is a book which can 'open up' an understanding of holy things, to the 'wayward' mind of a man. Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident. Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. 5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things. Psalms 37:1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. 2  For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. .... 7  ......fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. 8  Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Psalms 25:14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant. Is there any hope for the proud [the stubborn] and wilful man ? 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Romans 8:7 ....the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

i
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Or is it simply a case of 'the enemy of my enemy...'?

No.

Not at all.

I love God,      ....imperfectly.

But i love God.

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

Remaining properties in Gaza should be worth a pretty penny. chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 6:23pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 12:46pm: The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation. Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution. Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades. It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness. The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point. There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point. Says some guy on the internet, who isn’t a Palestinian, a Jordanian, or an Israeli. Have shares in Palestinian real estate, do you, CL? Better get them transferred over to the Kingdom of Jordan. Shouldn’t be a problem, eh?

 

I would expect Palestinian shares to be as valuable as a Hamas ceasefire.
Worthless.
And I don't need to be a Palestinian , Israeli or a Jordanian to have spent decades of time studying the issue eh.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:27am:

Quote: I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel. Deep down they still blame the Jews for bumping off the Sweet Baby Jesus.

The man Jesus wasn't a 'Christian'.

The Jews of Jesus day, didn't kill the first Christian.

Jesus was a Jewish man.



Christians today, ALL OF US, need to get right with God.



The 'message' didn't change.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.




The 'message' didn't change, when Jesus came.

Matthew 6:33
.....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;.....




The 'message' didn't change, when Jesus came.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.i
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They want the Jews to kick it off with the Arabs/Muslims/Anybody-will-do so as to start Armageddon. While they're wiping each other out and the Jews are doing the hard work in the final battle, all the good ol' boys and gals, tucked away safely in the south of the US of A will calmly wait for the Rapture where they will all be happily taken up to Heaven by a very grateful Sweet Baby Jesus and his dad, God - all done without them having so much as getting a hair out of place.

LOL

They, the Christians who have such an expectation, are mistaken - i believe.i

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The stinking Yids, Muslims and all those other heathens get to suck sh!t and rot in hell for all eternity.

Just the moslems - i believe.

They [the moslems], are going back, were they came from - i believe.

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

I love Israel, because Israel are the people who were entrusted with God's commandments, statutes, laws, given to mankind, in Torah. It is all there in the Bible gandalf.

You completely missed the crux of the question Y.

Jews reject jesus as their christ and saviour. Are they not therefore condemned to eternal damnation according to the bible? You can't be "chosen" by God if you are doomed in the afterlife - can you?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Remaining properties in Gaza should be worth a pretty penny. chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 6:23pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 12:46pm: The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation. Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution. Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades. It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness. The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point. There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point. Says some guy on the internet, who isn’t a Palestinian, a Jordanian, or an Israeli. Have shares in Palestinian real estate, do you, CL? Better get them transferred over to the Kingdom of Jordan. Shouldn’t be a problem, eh?   I would expect Palestinian shares to be as valuable as a Hamas ceasefire. Worthless.

So how's a Palestinian with real estate in Israel/Palestine, going to trade it in for a plot in Jordan?

Alternatively, how's a Palestinian with a passport issued by Palestine/Israel, going to get a passport from Jordan?

Shurely you're not suggesting they should just turn up without travel documents?

Stop the boats/ships of the desert.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Jews reject jesus as their christ and saviour. Are they not therefore condemned to eternal damnation according to the bible?

No.





gandalf,

He is a God who exercises his discrimination.

"I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high."






Psalms 32:2
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity,


Isaiah 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7  For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8  In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.


Jeremiah 32:36
And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;
37  Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
38  And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
39  And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
40  And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.i


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You can't be "chosen" by God if you are doomed in the afterlife - can you?

No.

You cannot.

Best, not to be 'doomed in the afterlife' then!



Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


Ah, but gandalf.

You are a moslem.

In the eyes of Allah, you are perfect already.

A moslem, a man who is blessed by the only god, Allah.

:)

they are all Moh-man brothers innit K?

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

So how's a Palestinian with real estate in Israel/Palestine, going to trade it in for a plot in Jordan? Alternatively, how's a Palestinian with a passport issued by Palestine/Israel, going to get a passport from Jordan? Shurely you're not suggesting they should just turn up without travel documents? Stop the boats/ships of the desert.

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Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

Google


Moslems together, supporting one another.

Its the brotherhood.

Innit.






IMAGE.....
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have taken our land, and we are a homeless people.

WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

Is there any room in your 'house', for your poor moslem brothers and sisters ?"


"Nah!!! Bugger off!

I'm not going to make any space in my lands to give you sanctuary, nor will i spend any of my $Trillions of petro-dollars to provide housing to you.

Go and fight against the Zionists.

And be sure to die for Allah's cause.

Allah needs lots more dead bodies.

We will mourn your blood, and we will curse the Zionists for you."

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Moslems together, supporting one another. Its the brotherhood. Innit.

Yes, Y, wouldn't it be luverly?

You know, all those friendly brothers as far away as Indonesia and Malaysia extending a helping hand out to Israel to take in those it hasn't blown up yet. Nice.

Alas, we now have a thing called nation states. I know, it's so mean, but those with real estate, jobs and businesses in Gaza can't just set up shop in Brunei or Turkey or Uzbekistan.

It's tough on everyone. You'd think our Christian brothers in Kenya or Syria or Burma could up and move to a fellow Christian nation like Australia, but no. Instead of letting them move in and giving them a nice new apartment like the one the Israelis blew up, we put them in detention and ship them off to New Guinea.

As ever, I blame Islam. You?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

they are all Moh-man brothers innit K?

Indeed. Just take a look at Y's map.

Here we were thinking all those various European settlements (the Berlin Conference of 1884, the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the League's various Arab mandates post-WWI) turned Africa and the Middle East into actual colonies and, subsequently, nation states.

But no. In actual fact, Islam is just one big country.

This is big news, G. Do you think Y should tell someone at the UN?

Just a thought.

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Jesus was a Jewish man.

Quote:

JESUS WAS NOT A Jew "Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon." Many denominational Christians and even church leaders are under the mistaken belief that Jesus was a Jew. But nothing could be further from the truth. Judea and Galilee were two separate states and political entities, as illustrated on the map of Palestine in the time of our Saviour in your Bible. Jesus Himself was not a Jew (Judean) or resident of Judea, He was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah. The Judeans of prominence were not of the Tribe of Judah, but of Edomites. Pilate was being ironic when he wrote the sign "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Judeans" for the Cross (John 19:19). That is, "the Galilean who was King of the Judeans," as in "Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India." Jesus grew up in Nazareth in Galilee. His disciples were fishermen from the Sea of Galilee. And although He visited Jerusalem, he spent most of His life in his home country of Galilee. John 7:1, "After this Jesus stayed in Galilee; for He could not walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill him." His followers were constrained "for fear of the Jews" (John 7:13, 19:38, 20:19). Why was this? Psalm 83:3 says God's elect are "hidden" or protected ones, and that they are under attack from a coalition of evil groups led by Edom. Who was Edom? Esau, the brother of the patriarch Jacob, became the ancestor of the people called Edom, or Idumea. The Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, XIII ix 1; XV vii 9 instructs us: John Hyrcanus forcibly assimilated the Edomites as a national group and they became "Jews" in about 120BC. The Jewish historian Josephus, who lived just after the time of Christ, wrote, "They [Edom] were hereafter no other than Jews'. The Jewish scholar Cecil Roth in his Concise Jewish Encyclopedia (1980) says on page 154, "John Hyrcanus forcibly converted [Edom] to Judaism. From then on they were part of the Jewish people. In the Talmud the name of Edom was applied to Christian Rome, and was then used for Christianity in general". Jehovah of the Old Testament "hated Esau (Edom), against whom He has indignation forever"  (Malachi 1:2-4). If Jesus will destroy Edom when He returns, then Edom is present today, and obviously evil, anti-Christian, and anti-Semitic. Christ demonstrated a very real antipathy towards the people called Jews, in Bibles published after about 1776, but who would be more accurately described as Judeans, or residents of the Edomite-dominated territory of Judea. Jesus said to the Jews "You do not believe because you are not of My sheep" (John 10:24-27). "I was only sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 15:24). In fact, Christ referred to "those Jews (or residents of Judea regardless of religion, race or color) who believed on him," as "of their father the devil" for although they were children of Abraham, they were not children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and heirs of the blessing of Abraham, nor did they have the faith of Abraham, and were in all probability descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Esau (John 8: 31,44). In contrast, Jesus instructed His disciples - who were from Galilee of the Gentiles, not Judea (Acts 1:11; 2:7) - to pray to And in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, Jesus speaks of "those who say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan".

Link: biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm


Quote:

An ancient depiction of Semites traveling to Egypt... The Semites are, according to the highly authoritative Oxford Universal Dictionary, 1944 (p.1838) are the people belonging to the race of mankind which includes most of the peoples mentioned in Genesis 10 as descended from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah. This includes the Arabs, Hebrews, Assyrians, Arameans as well as other ancient races who spoke a Semitic language as their native tongue. Most people in the world are under the impression that the modern Jew is of Hebrew or Semitic origin, but in reality this belief is unfounded and highly erroneous. The Jews in modern society have nothing to do with the ancient Hebrews of biblical times. For decades we never thought of even questioning this basic assumption. Actually, it is an historical fact that the vast majority of modern Jewry are not of Semitic stock. They are of Turkish stock—the so-called Khazars. “The Khazars came not from Jordan, but from the Volga, not from Canaan, but from the Caucasus. Genetically they are more related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jakob. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax that history has ever perpetrated.” (Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe).

Link:  1god1truth.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/what-is-semite.html

response to post #23,

jmjcare,

That is an interesting view of history, and,
of who Jesus the man was NOT, and,
of who the people who call themselves Jews, 'really' are.               :D



jmjcare,

I am happy for you to believe, whatever it is, that you desire to believe.





Matthew 15:24
....[Jesus] said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


John 1:11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


John 4:9
Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.


John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.






You suggest that Edom is Jewry, that Edom has supplanted Jewry ?

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his....







But who is a 'Jew', before God ?

Who is a 'Jew', in God's eyes ?

Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Jeremiah 9:25
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26  Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.



+++

Replacement theology, is of SATAN.

Google;
what is replacement theology




But good luck with that!!!!           :P

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 6:23pm: There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago So there was. Sorry I completely forgot we should be basing decisions on who has rights where on 4000 year old kings. Should I lodge my application for the Philistines' right to the land now? - you know after they were slaughtered and evicted from the land by those same 4000 year old kings?

You can base your decisions like that if you wish, however the Israeli's will only use that knowledge to repeatedly remind others of the Jews strong historical link to the land called Israel.

The Jews evicted from the Muslim countries are happily received by Israel.
The Arabs fleeing the 1947 war, started by other Arabs, are still 'refugees' among their brethren.
Why?

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:24am: Karnal wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Remaining properties in Gaza should be worth a pretty penny. chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 6:23pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 12:46pm: The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation. Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution. Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades. It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness. The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point. There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point. Says some guy on the internet, who isn’t a Palestinian, a Jordanian, or an Israeli. Have shares in Palestinian real estate, do you, CL? Better get them transferred over to the Kingdom of Jordan. Shouldn’t be a problem, eh?   I would expect Palestinian shares to be as valuable as a Hamas ceasefire. Worthless. So how's a Palestinian with real estate in Israel/Palestine, going to trade it in for a plot in Jordan? Alternatively, how's a Palestinian with a passport issued by Palestine/Israel, going to get a passport from Jordan? Shurely you're not suggesting they should just turn up without travel documents? Stop the boats/ships of the desert.

Yes, it's a problem isn't it.
Not only is Jordans population 60% Palestinian, only one Palestinian in Jordan lives beyond the razor wire that the Palestinians exist within, and that is the Kings wife ever since the Palestinians tried to overturn via violent means the overthrow of the monarchy in 1970/71.
So more Palestinians turning up in Jordan without a passport will only earn these people a bullet in the belly for their actions.
So yes, it's a problem.
But not an Israeli problem though.
The Lebanese have their Palestinians graze free range, however the Lebanese government will only allow Palestinians very limited employment prospects in Lebanon.
The Iraqis only three years ago cancelled all dual Iraqi/Palestinian passports permanently and don't want any more.
The Egyptians would rather actively assist their 4000 years old blood enemies the Israelis in containing Gazan Palestinians than allowing them to free range in Egypt.
The Palestinians in Saudi Arabia are treated and paid less than third class coolies.
Iran and Syria are quite happy to openly arm and fund Palestinians in Israel so they can continue to attack and kill Jews, but they don't want them within their borders either.
And the Palestinians themselves are happy to kill Jews and die for Allah whilst the promised land is 'occupied' by the Jewish people, and they wont stop until the Jews are driven into the sea.
So yes, there is a problem.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:41am:

And the Palestinians themselves are happy to kill Jews and die for Allah whilst the promised land is 'occupied' by the Jewish people, and they wont stop until the Jews are driven into the sea. So yes, there is a problem.

Allah needs many, many, many, many, many, more dead Palestinians yet.




Allah's lust for the blood of moslems is not yet sated.

So all of you moslems in Gaza, should 'step up', and 'rush the fence' with Israel.



"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39




WATCH THIS VIDEO.....


Quote:

The video...... Allah once again blesses the righteous moslems, and sends many of them to his paradise. The moslems are greatful - and in the video, you can hear many of the moslems praise Allah, again and again and again. Luckily, Allah be praised!, the bomb didn't take out the cameraman!       ;) Great camera work!!! Funeral for Muslim Suicide Bomber Goes Up in Smoke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xnBV62xvM

Soren wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:14am:

The Jews evicted from the Muslim countries are happily received by Israel. The Arabs fleeing the 1947 war, started by other Arabs, are still 'refugees' among their brethren. Why?

Because the cursed Israeli's wont allow them back into Israel.
Once again, that too is the Jews fault.

That YTube funeral video is worth ten Pat Condell videos!!!       :)


Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.

Yadda wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:40am:

That YTube funeral video is worth ten Pat Condell videos!!!       :)

It must be as YouTube have pulled it off viewing.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:44am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 10:40am: That YTube funeral video is worth ten Pat Condell videos!!!       :) It must be as YouTube have pulled it off viewing.

Aaaaaaaaawww!               :'(


[I downloaded a copy to my HD - i usually do, with anything worth retaining]

Yadda how do you save and view youtube videos?

really FD??

Soren wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:14am:

The Jews evicted from the Muslim countries are happily received by Israel. The Arabs fleeing the 1947 war, started by other Arabs, are still 'refugees' among their brethren. Why?

Good point, old boy. Every last Ayrab is responsible for that war. The Joos are spineless apologists for having any Ayrabs within their borders.

After 1947, of course.

STOP THE BOATS.

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:49am:

Yadda how do you save and view youtube videos?

FD,

if i want to watch a YT video [file] always download the actual file to my HD.
and after viewing the YT, i will then either delete the file off my HD, or retain the file in an archive area.


this is the youtube downloader i use....
YTD Basic
http://download.youtubedownloadersite.com/installers/YTDSetup.exe

it works for me! [this app also has its own player]
once it has installed and runs, select the DOWNLOAD tab, and just paste the YT url
it will download a flash file to your HD


this is the flash file viewer i use...
http://www.mpc-hc.org/




if you do not care for the app's above, you can find lots of other YT downloaders and flash file viewers using google.

Thanks Yadda.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

Do you have a link for this policy instead of that Islamic apologist Juan Cole's opinion?

What makes you think Juan Cole has any credibility, was he denied a teaching job at Yale because he is a nutjob?

Christopher Hitchens on Juan Cole-
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/05/the_cole_report.html

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: Quote: a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. I don't see anything wrong with these statements. They seem to me entirely consistent with the British Mandete that was really the basis of the reconstitution (yes, reconstitution) of Israel. [quote] nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word.

Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, the Syrian Arab leader told the British Peel Commission in 1937:
'There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.'
At the United Nations in 1956, the Saudi representative stated:
'It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria.'
And after the 1967 war Zuheir Muhsin, then military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council, said helpfully:
'There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2073246/Hey-stop-dangerous-candidate-Hes-told-truth.html

I would be grateful if you could show that any of these quotes are untrue.

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 2:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2014 at 12:46pm: The Israeli ruling Likud political charter: [quote]a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.” b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting. I don't see anything wrong with these statements. They seem to me entirely consistent with the British Mandete that was really the basis of the reconstitution (yes, reconstitution) of Israel.

Of course you wouldn't. As an old boy, you're incapable of coming to terms with all the UN resolutions passed since the British Mandate.

And yes, they include the creation of the state of Israel.

Always, absolutely, never ever. Who's a clever boy then?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:44am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 31st, 2014 at 10:40am: That YTube funeral video is worth ten Pat Condell videos!!!       :) It must be as YouTube have pulled it off viewing.

this is the exact same video....

Islamic Terrorist Funeral Gets An Unexpected Surprise Ending
http://vimeo.com/101431610

STOP THE BOATS!

What a fascinating exchange of views in 3 pages.  8-)

All people have to remember is this Taqiyya, followers of the moon god and their spawn are VERY good at this.