Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there.

We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there.

What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East.

It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t.

It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radical, it is now.

We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER!

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER!

What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all.

It's people like you that should be sent packin' orff 'ome.

GA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

It's people like you that should be sent packin' orff 'ome.

I was born here, I'll vote with GA on this one.  Where you going to send me?  The Pacific Guantanamo Bay, Manus Island?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

GA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:02pm: Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER! What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all.

you are an incredibly stupid person which is why few debate the patent nonsense you come up with such as this.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:02pm: Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER! What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all. you are an incredibly stupid person which is why few debate the patent nonsense you come up with such as this.

So you're saying the statistics will show that Muslims are more likely to be criminal than Aussies? And we've been interfering in the Mid East for over one hundred years now, time for us to 'pack' off out of there, don't you think!   

|dev|null wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:12pm: It's people like you that should be sent packin' orff 'ome. I was born here, I'll vote with GA on this one.  Where you going to send me?  The Pacific Guantanamo Bay, Manus Island?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

To an Aussie, muvva England is 'ome. Swagman should pack 'e's swag an 'ead orff there, is wot I'm sayin', matey.

GA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:28pm: GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:02pm: Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER! What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all. you are an incredibly stupid person which is why few debate the patent nonsense you come up with such as this. So you're saying the statistics will show that Muslims are more likely to be criminal than Aussies? And we've been interfering in the Mid East for over one hundred years now, time for us to 'pack' off out of there, don't you think!

That's a useless comparison ....Muslim is a religion, and Australian is a nationality. What about crimes committed by Muslims whose Grandparents emigrated here, do you classify them as Muslim or Aussie???

GA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all.

Red's worldview is formed by Pickering and 60 Minutes (he's certainly not alone, by the way).

He believes that most terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims, and that most Muslims are terrorists.

Using Red's logic, most sexual assaults are carried out by British entertainers, and most British entertainers are sexual predators.

May I suggest some good reading material:  http://alaindebotton.com/news-users-manual/

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:54pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:28pm: GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:02pm: Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER! What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all. you are an incredibly stupid person which is why few debate the patent nonsense you come up with such as this. So you're saying the statistics will show that Muslims are more likely to be criminal than Aussies? And we've been interfering in the Mid East for over one hundred years now, time for us to 'pack' off out of there, don't you think!    That's a useless comparison ....Muslim is a religion, and Australian is a nationality. What about crimes committed by Muslims whose Grandparents emigrated here, do you classify them as Muslim or Aussie???

GA is a true dope. for some reason he hates aussies while still living here. Why don't we take up an collection and pay for his air fare to the Middle East. Anywhere will do.

Coalition to settle Afghan interpreters


The Coalition Government will settle about 800 Afghan interpreters and their families who had helped Australian forces in Afghanistan, continuing a process started under the previous Labor government.

www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-to-settle-afghan-interpreters-20131003-2uwz3.html


So who is condemning muslim migration again?

Suit yourselves, I blame the Politicians who decades ago started bringing in Muslims by the plane loads.

Did you know that there have already been terrorist plots to blow up buildings etc.? However due to great Intelligence work those plots (thus far) have been thwarted.

There will come the inevitable day, not far off, when terror acts will occur.

Don't start crying like babies then  will you!

Incidentally I have always been against sending our Armed Forces to Iraq and Afghanistan. And yes - we could well reap the wild wind because of it.

The problem with some of you left wing sob sisters, is that you don't like the mirror of 'the condition our conditions is in', being held up in plain sight to you.

Then lets charge back in ... without yet another exit strategy ... and repeat our mistakes.

Thats what the hard right think ... isn't it?

GA it is not 'over sensationalised crap'.

Fact: Over 50 Muslims have left Australia to fight in the Syria/Iraq for ISIS. and are still there.

FACT: An ostensibly 'Aussie' kid proudly held the severed head dear old Dad supplied him, the whole world gagged at that one.

Fact: There are many more who are going over or planning to go over and join the Jihadist fight.

Only today a Muslim was attempting to fly over, he had over 30 grand on him and plenty of Jihadist literature. He was detained by a newly formed unit that will work to weed these would be heros out.

Nothing sensationalist about that lot. That's just plain facts.

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

Coalition to settle Afghan interpreters The Coalition Government will settle about 800 Afghan interpreters and their families who had helped Australian forces in Afghanistan, continuing a process started under the previous Labor government. www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-to-settle-afghan-interpreters-20131003-2uwz3.html So who is condemning muslim migration again?

yes, i think thats fair.
they have shown loyalty to aussies and we should repay the courtesy

No Greens-win, many of us right wingers want to stay the hell out of the Middle East. Nothing is going to stop that sh.thole of the world from tearing each others' throats out.

After all, they have been doing it successfully for centuries.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:42pm: Coalition to settle Afghan interpreters The Coalition Government will settle about 800 Afghan interpreters and their families who had helped Australian forces in Afghanistan, continuing a process started under the previous Labor government. www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-to-settle-afghan-interpreters-20131003-2uwz3.html So who is condemning muslim migration again? yes, i think thats fair. they have shown loyalty to aussies and we should repay the courtesy

So muslim migration is acceptable ... well done for agreeing.

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

No Greens-win, many of us right wingers want to stay the hell out of the Middle East. Nothing is going to stop that sh.thole of the world from tearing each others' throats out. After all, they have been doing it successfully for centuries.

Then you better start educating your hard right mates about Greens' renewable energy. Sooner we end our addiction to arab oil and middle eastern exports, like live animals, the sooner we can distance ourselves.

No...I don't want Muslim Immigration. We are sewing the seeds for something really terrible in this Country.

You don't invite the wolf into the yard.

I am not saying that all Muslims are like this. However, I am saying that many, many of them are. They are flying under the radar and getting strong, just like Hitler's Storm Troopers before little Adolph rose to power.

Sensationalist right? No one thought much about little Adolph and his brown shirted followers, until they stormed to power, whilst the do gooders stood by and tut tutted.



If you are a student of history you can see exactly what is happening here. Soon it will be too late, it most probably already is.

Pull your head in.

You are now comparing australian muslims to storm troopers.

How ignorant are you.

Two percent of the population. Just two percent of the population.

Even if every last one of them - man, woman, child, toddler, baby - fronted up wanting to kick something off, they'd be hopelessly outnumbered.

I just don't find those kind of odds scary.

A brief look at our own recent history:
New Terrorist Plot Uncovered


Tuesday, 04 August 2009 07:32   Wendy Larkson 
     
Police RaidNew Terrorist Plot Uncovered.
Raids in Melbourne by AFP and ASIO.

Just when Sydney-siders thought it was safe to close their eyes and go to sleep for a night, pondering the lack of evening gun battles lately, they learn of something worse than drive by shootings.

As they woke to another day’s work the people of Sydney [and Melbourne] learned of a joint operation between their States’ Police forces and the Australian Federal Police, against an imminent terrorist attack in their cities.


Four men - all Australian citizens - were arrested this morning as federal and state police, armed with search warrants, swooped on members of the suspected terror cell this morning in the second-largest counter-terrorism operation in the nation's history…. About 400 police raided homes in the northern Melbourne suburbs of Glenroy, Meadow Heights, Roxburgh Park, Broadmeadows, Westmeadows, Preston and Epping. They also raided homes at Carlton in inner Melbourne and Colac in southwestern Victoria. (source)
 

The intention, apparently, was to attack a Sydney army base:


Authorities believe the group is at an advanced stage of preparing to storm an Australian Army base, using automatic weapons, as punishment for Australia's military involvement in Muslim countries. It is understood the men plan to kill as many soldiers as possible before they are themselves killed. Members of the group have been observed carrying out surveillance of Holsworthy Barracks in western Sydney and other suspicious activity around defence bases in Victoria. Electronic surveillance on the suspects is believed to have picked up discussions about ways to obtain weapons to carry out what would be the worst terror attack on Australian soil.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:54pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:28pm: GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:02pm: Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER! What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all. you are an incredibly stupid person which is why few debate the patent nonsense you come up with such as this. So you're saying the statistics will show that Muslims are more likely to be criminal than Aussies? And we've been interfering in the Mid East for over one hundred years now, time for us to 'pack' off out of there, don't you think!    That's a useless comparison ....Muslim is a religion, and Australian is a nationality. What about crimes committed by Muslims whose Grandparents emigrated here, do you classify them as Muslim or Aussie???

As many as 100,000 Aboriginals may have been slaughtered by 'Aussies', I don't blame Christianity for that. And what about the grandparents, if they've behaved 'worse' it would be because of the influence of their new home. How could it be anything else? They would have had their aussieness brow-beaten into them.

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

No Greens-win, many of us right wingers want to stay the hell out of the Middle East. Nothing is going to stop that sh.thole of the world from tearing each others' throats out. After all, they have been doing it successfully for centuries.

Whereas Europe's been a peaceful place, right?

Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011
(extract of article)

Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail.

The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west.

Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition.

Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869

GA, I think the last time we had a real bang on here was the Rum Rebellion right?

Now I don't think there would be too many Australians who would like to have a Jihadist' bang on' here, it could get really messy.

Most probably a lot of bewildered innocents who said it would never happen, would be collateral damage as the Muslims promote their promise to 'have the gutters run red with infidels' blood" (a direct quote incidentally from their propaganda)

Greens -win, I am comparing Muslims to Storm Troopers. Do you have any idea what the Muslims are up to in Iraq? ISIS are committing genocide on a grand scale to anyone to doesn't belong to the right branch of Islam.

They are not like the Storm Troopers of Germany, they are much, much worse.

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radical, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER!

i am with you baron

GA wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:12pm: GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:54pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:28pm: GA wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 1:02pm: Not interested in the middle East conflict? You should be, that's your future right there. We are inextricably linked to the conflicts in the Middle East. As a result of long term migration of Muslims into our Country we now have a burgeoning Muslim population. One only has to look at England to see the catastrophic problems that are a daily occurrence there. What we now have is ISIS the latest metamorphosis of the latest radical Islam cult to take a tilt at the championship for the most blood thirsty western hating cult to rise in the Middle East. It's too late to shut the gate as we now have young Muslims, embracing ISIS ideals and as far as they are concerned, we infidels are a team of sh.t. It's gratifying to see Labor going with the Liberals on this one. If ever we need a united front, to deal with these people who take everything that is good in our Country then betray us by going radicals, it is now. We need to get rid of them and get rid if them quick. I say, allow them to go to these places of their choice but their papers need to be marked - Never To Return - EVER! What a load of over-sensationalized crap. The Muslims are actually less trouble than are the Aussies. And if we had never interfered in their countries they would be no trouble to us at all. you are an incredibly stupid person which is why few debate the patent nonsense you come up with such as this. So you're saying the statistics will show that Muslims are more likely to be criminal than Aussies? And we've been interfering in the Mid East for over one hundred years now, time for us to 'pack' off out of there, don't you think!    That's a useless comparison ....Muslim is a religion, and Australian is a nationality. What about crimes committed by Muslims whose Grandparents emigrated here, do you classify them as Muslim or Aussie??? As many as 100,000 Aboriginals may have been slaughtered by 'Aussies', I don't blame Christianity for that. And what about the grandparents, if they've behaved 'worse' it would be because of the influence of their new home. How could it be anything else? They would have had their aussieness brow-beaten into them.

But still, comparing religion and country of birth is a circular argument. Any Australian born Muslim who commits a crime under your definition would be 'Aussie', not Muslim.

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

Greens -win, I am comparing Muslims to Storm Troopers. Do you have any idea what the Muslims are up to in Iraq? ISIS are committing genocide on a grand scale to anyone to doesn't belong to the right branch of Islam. They are not like the Storm Troopers of Germany, they are much, much worse.

All Muslims?

You are on a hate speech, hiding behind a keyboard, about all muslims and that makes you a fanatical terrorist.

You are part of the current problem, not part of the solution ... unless your agenda is a religious world war.

If that is so, then come out of hiding and admit it.
have some guts and tell the truth for once.

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:59pm: No Greens-win, many of us right wingers want to stay the hell out of the Middle East. Nothing is going to stop that sh.thole of the world from tearing each others' throats out. After all, they have been doing it successfully for centuries. Then you better start educating your hard right mates about Greens' renewable energy. Sooner we end our addiction to arab oil and middle eastern exports, like live animals, the sooner we can distance ourselves.

there is a better solution and more likely.  USA is now only 6 years away from becoming an oil EXPORTER due to shale and tar oil extraction and horizontal drilling. Up SA's far north likes a shale oil deposit that would make Australia an oil exporter as well.  As canadas oil supplies com on stream other countries will be buying their oil from other countries than the M/E area to avoid the troubles there.

Quote:

They are not like the Storm Troopers of Germany, they are much, much worse.

Actually, that's emotive bullshit and shows a very poor understanding of just how hardcore some elements of Hitler's Waffen SS were.

You'll find that the likes of SS Brigade Dirlewanger and the odd foreign SS division make the likes of ISIS look like a bunch of cub scouts trying to act tough.

I thought you were a "student of history"? - apparently not, Walter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Polish_farmers_killed_by_German_forces,_German-occupied_Poland,_1943.jpg

http://samilitaryhistory.org/vo126mte.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/images/350px-Lidice_massacred_men.jpg

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

A brief look at our own recent history: New Terrorist Plot Uncovered Tuesday, 04 August 2009 07:32   Wendy Larkson        Police RaidNew Terrorist Plot Uncovered. Raids in Melbourne by AFP and ASIO. Just when Sydney-siders thought it was safe to close their eyes and go to sleep for a night, pondering the lack of evening gun battles lately, they learn of something worse than drive by shootings. As they woke to another day’s work the people of Sydney [and Melbourne] learned of a joint operation between their States’ Police forces and the Australian Federal Police, against an imminent terrorist attack in their cities. Four men - all Australian citizens - were arrested this morning as federal and state police, armed with search warrants, swooped on members of the suspected terror cell this morning in the second-largest counter-terrorism operation in the nation's history…. About 400 police raided homes in the northern Melbourne suburbs of Glenroy, Meadow Heights, Roxburgh Park, Broadmeadows, Westmeadows, Preston and Epping. They also raided homes at Carlton in inner Melbourne and Colac in southwestern Victoria. (source)   The intention, apparently, was to attack a Sydney army base: Authorities believe the group is at an advanced stage of preparing to storm an Australian Army base, using automatic weapons, as punishment for Australia's military involvement in Muslim countries. It is understood the men plan to kill as many soldiers as possible before they are themselves killed. Members of the group have been observed carrying out surveillance of Holsworthy Barracks in western Sydney and other suspicious activity around defence bases in Victoria. Electronic surveillance on the suspects is believed to have picked up discussions about ways to obtain weapons to carry out what would be the worst terror attack on Australian soil.

No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/

Just "plans" and "intentions".

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869

No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/

Just "conspiring to plan".

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan".

how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:07pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:05pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:59pm: No Greens-win, many of us right wingers want to stay the hell out of the Middle East. Nothing is going to stop that sh.thole of the world from tearing each others' throats out. After all, they have been doing it successfully for centuries. Then you better start educating your hard right mates about Greens' renewable energy. Sooner we end our addiction to arab oil and middle eastern exports, like live animals, the sooner we can distance ourselves. there is a better solution and more likely.  USA is now only 6 years away from becoming an oil EXPORTER due to shale and tar oil extraction and horizontal drilling. Up SA's far north likes a shale oil deposit that would make Australia an oil exporter as well.  As canadas oil supplies com on stream other countries will be buying their oil from other countries than the M/E area to avoid the troubles there.

Lets ignore it's catastrophic depletion rates and horrendous costs aye long ...

First, a good shale oil well, fully fracked, may produce in the region of 500 to 1,000 oil barrels a day, when it first starts producing. This is abysmal compared with a conventional oil well that typically produces in the tens of thousands of barrels a day.
Second, after a year of production, the shale oil well will be producing at 50 per cent of its initial rate, and after two years at around 15 per cent of its initial rate, ie, the well is pretty much depleted.
Third, the shale oil project has indeed increased crude oil production by some 2m b/d. Unfortunately to achieve this, in the Bakken shale oilfield alone, this has required the completion of 7,000 wells in a little over five years. To maintain production, some 200 rigs are in operation in the Bakken field, each one drilling a new well every month or so, ie, more than 2,000 new wells every year. Similar figures apply to the other North American shale oilfields.
Fourth, proposals to further increase shale oil production in the US to replace the crude oil still being imported (more than 10m b/d) would require a massive further increase in the already frenetic drilling rate. Are we really to believe that it is actually physically possible to drill and complete several tens of thousands of shale oil wells each year and every year for the indefinite future? Since such an increase is in fact impossible, how exactly is the US going to achieve energy independence, or even maintain existing shale oil production rates?
Fifth, shale oil wells are painfully expensive to drill given the quantities of materials consumed and the sophisticated drilling rigs they must use. While some wells can break even with an oil price of between $50 and $80 a barrel, many need more than $100 a barrel to stay solvent.
Finally, the only investment destination worse than shale oil is shale gas. Think of it as shale oil on steroids as a way of losing money.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/658ecfb0-1748-11e4-87c0-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3BfIh20yy

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences.

It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with conspiracy to commit a crime.  Especially terrorism.  Don't you think?

Be alert, but not alarmed    ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences.

what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels.....

and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy..

and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha

cods wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha

It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think?

Be alert, but not alarmed     ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;)

Next, they will be throwing their children overboard.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;)

tell you what buddy... if my neighbour had a bomb in his shed.. I sure as hell hope the powers that be remove it..

OMG you do know they dont advertise they are bomb making dont you???

maybe your neighbour is into bombs I sure hope you are alert but not to concerned..

maybe if you dont say anything he wont let it off anywhere..

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard.

nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean....

thats the greens way isnt it?..

and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::)

its the GREENS WAY

cods wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY

Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions.

Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods?

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard.

Thank goodness the adults are now in charge, right?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:12pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods?

Who killed a million civilians??

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods?

hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready..

to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life..

and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:(

perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning..

.wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again..

Shakey wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:12pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? Who killed a million civilians??

Political policies ... like the policy of the howard government to invade Iraqi illegally.

Shakey wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:12pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? Who killed a million civilians??

That's a billion. Who did that??

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:27pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:12pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? Who killed a million civilians?? Political policies ... like the policy of the howard government to invade Iraqi illegally.

You shouldn't be making up figures .

cods wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:30pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again..

So you are a hypocrite.

It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security.

Shakey wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:32pm: Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:27pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:12pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? Who killed a million civilians?? Political policies ... like the policy of the howard government to invade Iraqi illegally. You shouldn't be making up figures .

How many civilians died then?

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security.

Most refugees are fleeing wars that are nothing to do with Australia.

Shakey wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security. Most refugees are fleeing wars that are nothing to do with Australia.

So when abbott gives the go ahead for young australians to head into the middle east and spill their blood, Australia will not be responsible for the consequences?

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:33pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:32pm: Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:27pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:12pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:30pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:14pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 4:10pm: red baron wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 3:32pm: Sydney Morning Herald December 16, 2011 (extract of article) Three Muslim extremists convicted of conspiring to plan an Australian terrorist attack have been sentenced to each serve 18 years' jail. The men were part of an Islamic terrorist cell who were planning to attack the Holsworthy army barracks in Sydney's south-west. Their aim was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and shoot 500 personnel, or as many people as possible, before they were killed or ran out of ammunition. Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed, who had all met at the Preston Mosque, had weapons when they were arrested in August 2009. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/18-years-jail-for-army-terrorattack-plan-20111216-1oy3f.html#ixzz3Bf67O869 No actual attack.   Hmmm    :-/ Just "conspiring to plan". how does that change anything to you?  conspiracy to commit serious crime with the ability to do so is generally treated and punished just below the level of those who actually committed the offences. what he means is... they were probably playing monopoly and they got carried away by buying bombs instead of hotels..... and unless they really do blow something up.. the good lefties will always give them the benefit of the doubt..because they know all bad guys are righties.. and anyone that votes labor is a good guy.. and of course these guys voted labor...you can betcha It's very convenient for the government to publicise people being charged with "buying bombs".   Don't you think? Be alert, but not alarmed     ;) Next, they will be throwing their children overboard. nah we spent 6 years watching  the GREENS WAY of doing it ....smashing them on rocks.... or watching them swallow the ocean.... thats the greens way isnt it?.. and now its only the Jews we have to fear.. muslims are all good..everyone knows that... ::) ::) its the GREENS WAY Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? Who killed a million civilians?? Political policies ... like the policy of the howard government to invade Iraqi illegally. You shouldn't be making up figures . How many civilians died then?

Well I looked it up and you put up a trillion which is more than the population of the earth. So going by your figures John Howards part in the invasion of Iraq killed the entire population of planet . OH NO, IM DEAD :D :D :D :D :D :D

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:38pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security. Most refugees are fleeing wars that are nothing to do with Australia. So when abbott gives the go ahead for young australians to head into the middle east and spill their blood, Australia will not be responsible for the consequences?

Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Palestine, Somalia, Iran all have nothing to do with Australia's foreign policy. Most of the Afghan's were fleeing the Taliban because they were minorities so that has nothing to do with Australia either.

Shakey wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:38pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security. Most refugees are fleeing wars that are nothing to do with Australia. So when abbott gives the go ahead for young australians to head into the middle east and spill their blood, Australia will not be responsible for the consequences? Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Palestine, Somalia, Iran all have nothing to do with Australia's foreign policy. Most of the Afghan's were fleeing the Taliban because they were minorities so that has nothing to do with Australia either.

So Australia has no foreign policy now. Australia isn't interacting in the wider world ... we are now an isolated island aye !

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security.

HILARIOUS>....what war did they cause in Sri Lanka??...or Pakistan...or Lebanon. get a life sport you are just about the worse one on here...

havent seen any Germans of late trying to come in on rickety boats...

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:47pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:44pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Shakey wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:38pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security. Most refugees are fleeing wars that are nothing to do with Australia. So when abbott gives the go ahead for young australians to head into the middle east and spill their blood, Australia will not be responsible for the consequences? Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Palestine, Somalia, Iran all have nothing to do with Australia's foreign policy. Most of the Afghan's were fleeing the Taliban because they were minorities so that has nothing to do with Australia either. So Australia has no foreign policy now. Australia isn't interacting in the wider world ... we are now an isolated island aye !

You said that our refugee problem was because of our foreign policies. These countries refugees have been rocking up and Australia hasn't been involved in a war with these countries.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:42pm: Coalition to settle Afghan interpreters The Coalition Government will settle about 800 Afghan interpreters and their families who had helped Australian forces in Afghanistan, continuing a process started under the previous Labor government. www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-to-settle-afghan-interpreters-20131003-2uwz3.html So who is condemning muslim migration again? yes, i think thats fair. they have shown loyalty to aussies and we should repay the courtesy

Let's not bring out the violins and the hankies, okay?

It wasn't 'loyalty' ~ it was a job that paid well and gave them a few perks not enjoyed by others.

If these interpreters are 'at risk', then it's proof that nothing has been achieved in the 12 years that Western forces have been there, and the deaths of hundreds of Western soldiers, and the umpteen billions poured into the country to make it safe for people like these interpreters.

The whole thing has been a farce, and the reason we're bringing these 'interpreters' over here is because nobody is under any illusions that the Taliban won't be back in control of the country ~ stronger than ever.

That is the reason the interpreters are being taken out of the place ~ for the very same reason we took the interpreters out of Vietnam ~ we lost the war and their lives were therefore very much at risk.

Nothing to do with some sob-sister nonsense about 'loyalty'.

Dear Jesus when will you people start to wake up.

I thought you had more horse-sense, aquastud.  8-)

 

Strap in your seat belts Lefties. I believe Tony Abbott is about to announce that R.A.A.F.. Fighter Jets are about to be deployed to Iraq to assist the U.S.A.  in attacking ISIS Forces.

Bill Shorten today in Parliament virtually gave his imprimatur with a 'soft question' to Abbott about how Australia will react to the ongoing ISIS genocide in Iraq.

If this happens it will only add fuel to the would be 'Home Grown Terrorists' to carry out reprisal actions against the Australian Government.

The stakes are being raised. And if we were America we would be going to Defcon 4 if the jets are deployed.

PS In regard to my comments about Hitler's Storm Troopers, I am in no way minimising what butchers they were. However the rapidity and callousness of ISIS is breathtaking. I think it's been a long time since we seen heads being cut off with gay abandon by the butchers who claim to represent Islam. (They don't Mohammed the Prophet never preached this butchery).

Abbott said that ISIS is committing Genocide and I guess unlike the impotent United Nations, he is prepared to stand up and be counted. I respect that.

red baron wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Incidentally I have always been against sending our Armed Forces to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Snap.

Ditto.

Me too.



I have always advocated 'containment' of the moslem, in his own lands.

I have always wanted the moslem to demonstrate the 'perfection' of ISLAM, in his own land(s).



Of course, moslems are now stating that Australia is a moslem country.

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 2:42pm: Coalition to settle Afghan interpreters The Coalition Government will settle about 800 Afghan interpreters and their families who had helped Australian forces in Afghanistan, continuing a process started under the previous Labor government. www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-to-settle-afghan-interpreters-20131003-2uwz3.html So who is condemning muslim migration again? yes, i think thats fair. they have shown loyalty to aussies and we should repay the courtesy

I agree.

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Pull your head in. You are now comparing australian muslims to storm troopers. How ignorant are you.

How ignorant are you, greens ?

Google;
similarity between islam and nazism

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

Two percent of the population. Just two percent of the population. Even if every last one of them - man, woman, child, toddler, baby - fronted up wanting to kick something off, they'd be hopelessly outnumbered. I just don't find those kind of odds scary.

life_goes_on,

Just 19 moslems, in 4 passenger aircraft, armed with just planning and box cutters, achieved the 9/11 atrocity within a complacent US, in 2001.






IMAGE....
http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg
wtc-9-11.jpg
The 'gift', from ISLAM and moslems, to the USA!




'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

____ wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security.

Most of those arriving by boat into Australian territory are economic migrants not genuine refugees from war zones.

Your belief otherwise is testament to your own stupidity.

Gnads wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Most of those arriving by boat into Australian territory are economic migrants not genuine refugees from war zones.

An interesting claim.  On what basis do you make it?  Your evidence to support it is?  ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:14pm: Most of those arriving by boat into Australian territory are economic migrants not genuine refugees from war zones. An interesting claim.  On what basis do you make it?  Your evidence to support it is?  ::)

Many of those claiming to be asylum seekers, patently are ILLEGAL economic migrants and are not legitimate asylum seekers.

1/ They travel through safe 2nd and 3rd countries, seeking 'refuge'.

2/ They have enough personal resources to travel half way around the planet!, to come to countries like Australia.  [....if they are truly seeking safe refuge when escaping their circumstances, why don't they travel to the 1st, closest, safe country???]



Many 'asylum seekers' seeking 'sanctuary' in Australia, are ILLEGAL migrants, or economic migrants, at best.

And at worst?

Many of these ppl arriving on our shores uninvited [by Australia] are moslems.

And being moslems, they clearly embrace societal values which are antithetical/incompatible with our own value system.

And worst of all....
Moslems do not come to Australia to become Australians.

Moslems come to Australia to be MOSLEMS, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and are working tirelessly to undermine Australian society and Australian institutions.



e.g.

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html



Moslem ARE NOT PERMITTED, by ISLAM, to join themselves, to integrate with, the un-ISLAMIC society.

If a moslem does so, ISLAM declares that his Kafir blood can be spilled, because he is no longer a moslem.

And this [above] is how moslem community leaders in Australia have been recorded, advising members of their own community, here in Australia!




IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/perfect-system.jpg
"We only want Sharia Law!"





IMAGE....
http://www.religiousfreedomcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/EgyptIslamOnly4.jpg
"F-uck Democracy! We are moslems! We only want Sharia Law!"

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:52pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:14pm: Most of those arriving by boat into Australian territory are economic migrants not genuine refugees from war zones. An interesting claim.  On what basis do you make it?  Your evidence to support it is?  ::) Many of those claiming to be asylum seekers, patently are ILLEGAL economic migrants and are not legitimate asylum seekers.

And how do you know that, Yadda?  The Australian Government has not been processing Asylum Applications now for over 18 months.  No one knows whether they are genuine refugees or not.   What insight do you have that the Government itself lacks?

Ah, is this it?   ::)


Quote:

1/ They travel through safe 2nd and 3rd countries, seeking 'refuge'. 2/ They have enough personal resources to travel half way around the planet!, to come to countries like Australia.  [....if they are truly seeking safe refuge when escaping their circumstances, why don't they travel to the 1st, closest, safe country???]

Perhaps because the closest countries and even the intervening ones, are not signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees, Yadda?  If you claim asylum in a non-signatory country you can be punished for doing so, you can be subject to arbitary arrest and deportation and you and your family have no rights, either politically, legally or to earn a livelihood.


Quote:

Many 'asylum seekers' seeking 'sanctuary' in Australia, are ILLEGAL migrants, or economic migrants, at best. And at worst? Many of these ppl arriving on our shores uninvited [by Australia] are moslems. And being moslems, they clearly embrace societal values which are antithetical/incompatible with our own value system. And worst of all.... Moslems do not come to Australia to become Australians. Moslems come to Australia to be MOSLEMS, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and are working tirelessly to undermine Australian society and Australian institutions.

Yet hundreds of thousands of them live peacefully and happily as part of the wider Australian multicultural community, Yadda.   Probatur botellus.   ::)

Legal migrants are economic migrants too. That term does not discriminate between different migrants.

People would not migrate here if they did not believe it was economically beneficial.

This isn't a migration thread there are plenty of those here. Please let's keep this to the spectre  our involvement in the Middle East crisis with ISIS.

Gnads wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security. Most of those arriving by boat into Australian territory are economic migrants not genuine refugees from war zones.

1. Can you substantiate that claim?

2. They are genuine asylum seekers (refugee status is unknown).

3. One does not need to be from a war zone in order to be an asylum seeker (or refugee).

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 8:14pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:34pm: cods wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:30pm: ____ wrote on Aug 28th, 2014 at 5:19pm: Then you will have to admit to the blood of over 1,000,000,000 civilian deaths  on your hands because of your side's warmongering and illegal invasions. Taking responsibility ... man or mouse cods? hilarious.. cannot tell the difference between a war when both sides are armed and ready.. to helping people with money, pay criminals like  people smugglers to smuggle them into a foreign country..... in the hope we will look after them for life.. and this idiot cant tell the difference.. >:( perish the thought a greeny would take responsibility for opening our borders..and being the direct cause of these people drowning.. .wont mention the boat loads that went missing never to be seen again.. So you are a hypocrite. It was the right's policies that caused some of the push factors for refugees to flee war zones and so take risks to reach security. Most of those arriving by boat into Australian territory are economic migrants not genuine refugees from war zones. 1. Can you substantiate that claim? 2. They are genuine asylum seekers (refugee status is unknown). 3. One does not need to be from a war zone in order to be an asylum seeker (or refugee).

VERY TRUE, gp!

Dictionary;
asylum = = the protection granted by a state to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee. shelter or protection from danger.





I Yadda, too, am an asylum seeker.

And i demand that the Australian government provide me with asylum [protection from fear] from the threats coming from moslems in our Australian community.
.....because i know that all moslems, are moslems.

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg





Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


And all moslems follow an ideology called ISLAM.


Because moslems, in being a moslem, are choosing to associate themselves, with a lying, deceitful philosophy/organisation [ISLAM], which encourages political and religious violence against those who do not believe as they believe.




e.g.
Just look at what they [moslems] do to those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe in places like Somalia, Nigeria, Kenya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, ect, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, even the UK!!!!

IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg

"He didn't want to believe, what we believe!!!!"


Google;
Almost a quarter of UK Muslims believe 7/7 was justified       

Almost a quarter of UK Muslims - ADMIT - that they believe 7/7 was justified

Moslems believe that terrorising






And all moslems are wanna-be murderers.

And i demand that the Australian government provide me with asylum [protection from fear] from moslems who are walking on the streets of our Australian community.





Yadda said.....

Quote:

From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement... Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems. Every moslem! ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers']. In my estimation, all good moslems do understand what their religious OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems. Those assertions i make, may be uncomfortable to some among us, but are based in TRUTH, and the truthful tenets of 'faith' which ISLAM teaches.

All moslems are wanna-be murderers - as plain as the nose on your face.

Just look at the religious philosophy societal philosophy which all moslems endorse and are choosing to empower!!!.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

And all moslems are wanna-be murderers. And i demand that the Australian government provide me with asylum [protection from fear] from moslems who are walking on the streets of our Australian community.

Where would you like the government to put you?

The Sydney Hilton, perhaps    :-/


http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg

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greggerypeccary,

The difference between Australians and moslems, is that right thinking Australians would not sanction such an act [image above].

But that right thinking moslems - would - sanction such an act - whenever disbelievers were the victims.



Google;
Almost a quarter of UK Muslims believe 7/7 was justified       

Almost a quarter of UK Muslims - ADMIT - that they believe 7/7 was justified!!!!




IMAGE....
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ALL MOSLEMS ARE GOING TO THE HOT PLACE - Allah's paradise.

Coz, the moslem [EVERY moslem] sanctions murder - justifying it as being done in Allah's cause.




A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ...

... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion.

So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia?

Was the Sydney Hilton bombing a Muslim terrorist attack?

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

ALL MOSLEMS ARE GOING TO THE HOT PLACE - Allah's paradise. Coz, the moslem [EVERY moslem] sanctions murder - justifying it as being done in Allah's cause.

Who is a moslem,      ....except the person who self declares; "I am a moslem!"

Being a moslem, is like being pregnant.

Either you are pregnant, or, you aren't!



And, either you are a moslem, or, you aren't.







Are you a moslem ?


All moslems are wanna-be murderers - as plain as the nose on your face.

Just look at the religious philosophy societal philosophy which all moslems endorse and are choosing to empower!!!.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:06am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? Was the Sydney Hilton bombing a Muslim terrorist attack?

In 1916 there was a muslim terrorist attack on a picnic train just outside Broken Hill.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:06am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? Was the Sydney Hilton bombing a Muslim terrorist attack?

Sure it was.

Maybe.



It had all the 'hallmarks' of being a moslem bombing.
....a bomb went of in a public place.



e.g.

IMAGE....
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Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:06am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? In 1916 there was a muslim terrorist attack on a picnic train just outside Broken Hill.

So, your answer is "one"?

I blame ISLAM.

....just like K does.

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:06am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? Was the Sydney Hilton bombing a Muslim terrorist attack? Sure it was. Maybe. It had all the 'hallmarks' of being a moslem bombing. ....a bomb went of in a public place. e.g. IMAGE.... http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/1/18/1295364695515/77-bus-bomb-007.jpg

It had all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack.

Moreover, most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

Have any Muslim groups come forward to claim responsibility for the Hilton bombing?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:13am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:06am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? In 1916 there was a muslim terrorist attack on a picnic train just outside Broken Hill. So, your answer is "one"?

Don't blame me because their plans keep getting foiled. ASIO tracks their messages.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:14am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:06am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? Was the Sydney Hilton bombing a Muslim terrorist attack? Sure it was. Maybe. It had all the 'hallmarks' of being a moslem bombing. ....a bomb went of in a public place. e.g. IMAGE.... http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/1/18/1295364695515/77-bus-bomb-007.jpg It had all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack.

greggerypeccary,

I have got news for you.......

In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM.

And rightly so.





FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - ISLAM'S PROPHET AND ARGUABLY, THE AUTHOR OF ISLAM'S THEOLOGY OF TERROR

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062







Hot place!

Muslims have a very much higher chance of being terrorized by non-muslims than non-muslims have of being terrorized by muslims.

Don't forget that USA and UK are the countries that kicked off ISIS in Syria, supplied them with weapons and polictical cover and are now fearing blowback.

Middle East was much more peaceful before Bush.

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:17am: Shakey wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:13am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:06am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:01am: IMAGE.... http://www.uncoveredfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Hiltonthumb.jpg greggerypeccary, The difference between Australians and moslems ... ... is obvious: one is a nationality, the other is a religion. So, how many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in Australia? In 1916 there was a muslim terrorist attack on a picnic train just outside Broken Hill. So, your answer is "one"? Don't blame me because their plans keep getting foiled. ASIO tracks their messages.

So they say.

Yadda wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM.

In the minds of the ignorant, yes.

In the real world, not so much.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Muslims have a very much higher chance of being terrorized by non-muslims than non-muslims have of being terrorized by muslims. Don't forget that USA and UK are the countries that kicked off ISIS in Syria, supplied them with weapons and polictical cover and are now fearing blowback. Middle East was much more peaceful before Bush.

me thinks you should google that...the middle east has never been peaceful...why do you think we have so many Lebanese here??..
and I guess we can forget about the kurds

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much.

so you think America and Australia are more about terrorism?..

havent seen them use car bombs or blow up tall building with airplanes as yet but I am sure you can show us where they have.

I fear I am living in a different world to the one you are living in.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much.

Can you list how many terrorist attacks in recent history have NOT been carried out by Muslims, compared to how many HAVE been carried out by Muslims??? (And the Gaza/Israel thing doesn't count)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. Can you list how many terrorist attacks in recent history have NOT been carried out by Muslims, compared to how many HAVE been carried out by Muslims???

Well, in the USA, for example:

"Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil"

"An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims."

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/stories/May2013/piechart2.jpg

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil-between-1970-and-2012.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 12:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. Can you list how many terrorist attacks in recent history have NOT been carried out by Muslims, compared to how many HAVE been carried out by Muslims??? Well, in the USA, for example: "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil" "An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims." http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/stories/May2013/piechart2.jpg

Oh wow...David Icke??? How many were carried out by 'shaped shifted alien reptiles'???

And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide?

cods wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. so you think America and Australia are more about terrorism?..

No.

I think America and Australia are countries.

I think Islam is a religion.

I don't think any of them are "synonymous" with terrorism.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 12:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. Can you list how many terrorist attacks in recent history have NOT been carried out by Muslims, compared to how many HAVE been carried out by Muslims??? Well, in the USA, for example: "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil" "An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims." http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/stories/May2013/piechart2.jpg Oh wow...David Icke??? How many were carried out by 'shaped shifted alien reptiles'???

Are you suggesting that the FBI figures are incorrect?

If so, can you substantiate your claim?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide?

You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003

And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page).

Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;)

Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it.

If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice.

I prefer to live in the real world.

Cheers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. so you think America and Australia are more about terrorism?.. No. I think America and Australia are countries. I think Islam is a religion. I don't think any of them are "synonymous" with terrorism.

And of course Mohammed's historic words are being 'misinterpreted'.....           :D



FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - ISLAM'S PROPHET AND ARGUABLY, THE AUTHOR OF ISLAM'S THEOLOGY OF SUPPORTING AND ENDORSING ACTS OF TERROR, TO FURTHER 'ALLAH'S CAUSE'

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. so you think America and Australia are more about terrorism?.. No. I think America and Australia are countries. I think Islam is a religion. I don't think any of them are "synonymous" with terrorism.

really??...ok so who do you think is "synonymous" with TERRORISM... as it is on the rise...

and it [terrorism]usually attracts like thinking people...

so not yanks or aussies... not muslims...maybe Baptists..

if you dont think these people or countries are linked.to terrorism..


are you saying its just a group of mad people from all walks of life who do mad things from time to time....but they are   not connected in anyway? through country or religion?.

just a coincidence they all like killing and chopping heads off..

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 12:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. Can you list how many terrorist attacks in recent history have NOT been carried out by Muslims, compared to how many HAVE been carried out by Muslims??? Well, in the USA, for example: "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil" "An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims." http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/stories/May2013/piechart2.jpg Oh wow...David Icke??? How many were carried out by 'shaped shifted alien reptiles'??? Are you suggesting that the FBI figures are incorrect? If so, can you substantiate your claim?

Yes I am suggesting they might be outdated. And no, YOU need to substantiate your claim, since your source is a conspiracy theorist (like It_is_the_light) who thinks he is the 'Son of the Godhead' and that the British Royal Family are shape-shifting Alien Reptiles...

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers.

so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::)

btw wiki is a bit out of date...

so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole.

just like to clear it all up thats all.

btw where would you class the Taliban???..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:09pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 12:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. Can you list how many terrorist attacks in recent history have NOT been carried out by Muslims, compared to how many HAVE been carried out by Muslims??? Well, in the USA, for example: "Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil" "An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims." http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/legacy_images/stories/May2013/piechart2.jpg Oh wow...David Icke??? How many were carried out by 'shaped shifted alien reptiles'??? Are you suggesting that the FBI figures are incorrect? If so, can you substantiate your claim? Yes I am suggesting they might be outdated. And no, YOU need to substantiate your claim, since your source is a conspiracy theorist (like It_is_the_light) who thinks he is the 'Son of the Godhead' and that the British Royal Family are shape-shifting Alien Reptiles...

The figures from the FBI are for specific years, so they aren't outdated (nice try though).

And, I have provided you with the proof: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409194961/93#93

Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.  Undeniable, verifiable fact.

cods wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:17pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers. so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::) btw wiki is a bit out of date... so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole. just like to clear it all up thats all. btw where would you class the Taliban???..

Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

What part of that are you struggling to understand?

If you disagree with the FBI, please present your evidence.

And, the Taliban is is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organisation.

Anything else I can help you with?

Again, most attacks carried out by non-Muslims:

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum

This is too easy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:17pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers. so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::) btw wiki is a bit out of date... so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole. just like to clear it all up thats all. btw where would you class the Taliban???.. Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. What part of that are you struggling to understand? If you disagree with the FBI, please present your evidence. And, the Taliban is is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organisation. Anything else I can help you with?

Really...because from the Wiki link (2001 I think) 33 out of 55 are Islamic based attacks...and I'd guess the numbers have increased since then.

Let's face it, other than the 'internal' ones i.e US nutjob Militias and the IRA (who seem to have calmed down a lot lately) most attacks do seem to be Muslim extremists. Just count the ones carried out by extremists from the ISIS and all the stuff in the African nations and Afghanistan.

And again, in Europe, most terrorist attacks carried out by non-Muslims:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/37

Most terrorist attacks around the world, in recent years, are carried out by non-Muslims. Still waiting for evidence to the contrary    :-/

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:17pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers. so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::) btw wiki is a bit out of date... so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole. just like to clear it all up thats all. btw where would you class the Taliban???.. Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. What part of that are you struggling to understand? If you disagree with the FBI, please present your evidence. And, the Taliban is is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organisation. Anything else I can help you with? Let's face it, other than the 'internal' ones i.e US nutjob Militias and the IRA (who seem to have calmed down a lot lately) most attacks do seem to be Muslim extremists. Just count the ones carried out by extremists from the ISIS and all the stuff in the African nations and Afghanistan.

Oh, so NOW you're saying "other than".  Nice try, again.

Let's not say "other than", OK?

Most terrorist attacks around the world are carried out by non-Muslims. Simple, undeniable (and verified) fact.

::)

cods wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:08pm: cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:40am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 11:28am: Yadda wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 10:28am: greggerypeccary, I have got news for you....... In today's world, terrorism is synonymous with ISLAM. In the minds of the ignorant, yes. In the real world, not so much. so you think America and Australia are more about terrorism?.. No. I think America and Australia are countries. I think Islam is a religion. I don't think any of them are "synonymous" with terrorism. really??...ok so who do you think is "synonymous" with TERRORISM... as it is on the rise...

Terrorists.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 1:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:17pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:02pm: And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers. so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::) btw wiki is a bit out of date... so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole. just like to clear it all up thats all. btw where would you class the Taliban???.. Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. What part of that are you struggling to understand? If you disagree with the FBI, please present your evidence. And, the Taliban is is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organisation. Anything else I can help you with? Let's face it, other than the 'internal' ones i.e US nutjob Militias and the IRA (who seem to have calmed down a lot lately) most attacks do seem to be Muslim extremists. Just count the ones carried out by extremists from the ISIS and all the stuff in the African nations and Afghanistan. Oh, so NOW you're saying "other than".  Nice try, again. Let's not say "other than", OK? Most terrorist attacks around the world are carried out by non-Muslims. Simple, undeniable (and verified) fact. ::)

NO I'm not saying 'other than....which you seem to want to believe...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:58pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:17pm: [quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1409194961/90#90 date=1409281354] And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers. so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::) btw wiki is a bit out of date... so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole. just like to clear it all up thats all. btw where would you class the Taliban???.. Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. What part of that are you struggling to understand? If you disagree with the FBI, please present your evidence. And, the Taliban is is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organisation. Anything else I can help you with? Let's face it, other than the 'internal' ones i.e US nutjob Militias and the IRA ... NO I'm not saying 'other than....which you seem to want to believe..

And now the lying and backpedaling starts.

You said it, now own it: "other than".

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Yellow People outbreed you.
Black people inseminate your women.
Brown people just want to kill you.

...wonder what the White people are doing then?

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 2:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:58pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:36pm: cods wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2014 at 1:17pm: [quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1409194961/90#90 date=1409281354] And, of course, how many since 2001?? Worldwide? You'll eventually have to learn how to use google.  I can't do this for you all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003 And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents  (in a box near the bottom of the page). Once you go to each year, do a word search of 'Islam' and 'Muslim'.  Let me know your results   ;) Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. I've provided you with the proof, yet somehow I don't think you are willing to accept it. If you want to keep drinking the kool-aid, that's your choice. I prefer to live in the real world. Cheers. so ISIS is not American/Australian/Musliim... ::) ::) btw wiki is a bit out of date... so where did it spring from ??   and which religious group are they doing their best  persuading people to join.. unless they want their heads on a pole. just like to clear it all up thats all. btw where would you class the Taliban???.. Most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims. What part of that are you struggling to understand? If you disagree with the FBI, please present your evidence. And, the Taliban is is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organisation. Anything else I can help you with? Let's face it, other than the 'internal' ones i.e US nutjob Militias and the IRA ... NO I'm not saying 'other than....which you seem to want to believe.. And now the lying and backpedaling starts. You said it, now own it: "other than". ::)

Perhaps you should do the WHOLE quote???

"NO I'm not saying 'other than....which you seem to want to believe...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???"

In the last 10 or 15 years, most of (more than half) the terror attacks/deaths have been the result of Islamic Extremists. Ok, so 'maybe' it was because of the 'Coalition of the Willing' post 9/11. But that may have simply been that the Western Media actually started reporting those things after the WTC attacks.