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Rudolf Steiner[edit] Rudolf Steiner believes that the Age of Aquarius will arrive in 3573 AD. In Steiner’s approach to the astrological ages, each age is exactly 2,160 years. Based on this structure, the world has been in the Age of Pisces since 1413 AD. This approach is based on a different astronomical basis compared to most approaches to the astrological ages. Steiner utilizes the stars at 15 degrees from the vernal point as indicative of humanity’s stage of evolution which explains why his ages appear about one half an age earlier compared to most rectifications. In the Age of Pisces, people have to develop their own individuality. In the next Age of Aquarius, people can have a spiritual brotherhood but if the brotherhood came now, people’s individuality would not be strong enough. Rudolf Steiner has spoken about two great spiritual events: the return of Christ in the ethereal world (and not in a physical body), because people must develop their faculties until they can reach the ethereal world; and the incarnation of Ahriman, Zoroaster’s “destructive spirit" that will try to block the evolution of humanity.[19]

-Excerpt from Wikipedia's age of aquarius page

Now in order to comprehend this post, it is known that we are currently in the age of Pisces. Interestingly, the age of Pisces represents duality which is a concept that we see everywhere. We have science vs religion, democracies in politics and many more examples of duality.
Human beings are in fact dual beings, representing aspects of both good and evil.

The age of aquarius is about the transformation of humanity, a realisation on a mass scale that we are one one, different aspects of consciousness but unified. In order to know this we must travel beyond the dualism -- that is, the self-serving nature of humanity. If a majority of the people managed to transcend this self-serving nature, we would move into a new phase that is quite hard to imagine given the current state of the world.

The quote given was just one man's view, Rudolf Steiner, the founder of theosophy, and it is rumoured that he served the Illuminati. In fact many of these secret society founders did so, but that doesn't mean ignore it because something valuable could be obtained if you look through the trash.
There are many variations of the age of aquarius -- many people have different beliefs about when it starts/started (some believe it started in 2012, correlating with the end of the world "conspiracy") and perhaps what it represents.

On a site by the name of redline it says that a "benign secret society" behind the scenes is working to bring about the age of aquarius through the globalisation of the world - known by the "tinfoil hat" crowd as the NWO. It seems to me as if it is propaganda and that redline is in fact an Illuminati puppet. Such applies to the new age movement, which starts out as an honest revolution of thinking has been hijacked to achieve a malevolent agenda. It is important to know that the Illuminati work best wearing masks - convincing the people that an idea or intent is born of good will when really it is to achieve the opposite. This is how Hitler started off, and this is how it remains to this day.
So pushing a new age movement as a globalisation of a religion is quite a good strategy. It is also vital to note that the New Age movement encourages people to be ignorant of people trying to violate your freewill e.g physical abuse in the lowest forms to the highest (low being a disagreement in a forum such as ozpolitic, high being the intent to take somebody else's life), and also includes rape, fraud, basically any crime against a human written in a book of law. This would also extend to the idea of ignoring every single event that has taken place in history up until now -- notably the many wars, which have been orchestrated by the Illuminati in the first place! Hence the reason why freewill and submission to a one world government/new world order would be beneficial for their agenda.
The Illuminati could perhaps create a globalisation/NWO and guise it as the transformation into the Age of Aquarius, except they will force people to do this rather than the individual getting to that point themselves, and achieve this by forcing us into a globalised belief system/religion and punishing those who question it. I believe this would be achieved via technological means rather than the common sense of man.
The Illuminati have orchestrated a show and by giving us a distorted version of "freedom" we have, in turn, created our own orchestrations. The people now think that freedom extends to being able to rape and kill and scam/manipulate others for their own selfish ends, without realising that they are violating other's freewill which does not really equate to freedom. So in a nutshell, they are psychologically manipulating us (or intending) into thinking that freedom cannot exist at all and the only way to live a free and fruitful life is to give up our common sense, our minds and our real freedom to them, who will claim to have a better alternative because man is clearly not smart or responsible enough to do it themselves, yet they were the ones who planted the seeds. So technically it is our fault and we are paving our paths to destruction, but it is done in a way where we will not know any better.

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The destructive spirit, as Steiner calls him Ahriman, could be considered the Illuminati, or rather the consciousness of that, has been very successful in destroying our spirits so that there is little hope in us advancing beyond this materialistic world where history continually repeats itself and brings us nowhere -- and it is only getting worse, for those whose spirits are asleep.

There must be a return of the "Christ consciousness" in order for there to be an Age of Aquarius that is not forced upon us technologically and robotically, which would then mean nothing -- but rather with our own willpower if that is what we desire. Keep in mind that although you may be spiritual, you may have a natural tendency to be of a Satanic consciousness. This concept is not acknowledged by many New Agers because their idea is that anything born of evil intent is of a physical nature and therefore an illusion. I suppose evil has a positive; it can wake people up. Only the evil actions of the world has lead me to the point that I am at now, and without it I would not be writing this at all. I'm not saying that I am spiritually advanced, I am well aware of the fact that I am far down the ladder and have a long road ahead of me. The road in itself is dangerous and risky because I could get hijacked by the evil consciousness of the Illuminati.

I personally believe that at this stage there is only one way that an age of Aquarius type enlightenment can occur and that is under the control of the tyranny of the Illuminati consciousness, where spirit will be destroyed and in its place will be that of a technologically engineered consciousness, if you could call it that. Our soul will still exist but it would be very, very weak to the point it would not even be aware of itself. I think this is the major purpose of everything that is going on right now in the world, the weakening of the soul and the spirit. Most people think that evil is born of money and psychopathy, but it goes much deeper than that.
Perhaps the human individual would need to have an age of Aquarius of its own body rather than the entirety of Earth's population, because one cannot force the willpower of another to transcend -- if we did this, we would be but a puppet of the Illuminati.
So how do we do this, many will ask? There are methods, one of the major one is to "stay awake" try to be aware in every moment of your life. We tend to go into trances while watching TV or reading a book, or even daydreaming. It is in this state that we are most susceptible to the Illuminati. Sometimes we are not even aware of our thoughts, which can be strong mechanical reactions to things we see on TV or out on the street. If we are in an irritated mood we will react angrily to silly things like somebody walking in front of you, cutting you off in the process or by somebody accidently bumping into which, which brings us into a frenzy of psychotic rage and we often look back on these incidents and think, "why did I get so angry?" It is these silly and petty little thoughts that can destroy the Christ consciousness within us, because we don't even try to have understanding of why the incident occurred. Most of the time it is just an accident and does not require us react in such a manner.
Taking on employment within the careers of military, politics and police force to name a few, is another potential killer because it forces us into following a doctrine that will make us act mechanically. We may be forced to kill somebody we might initially think doesn't deserve to be killed, or we might force to pass on a new bill that we don't necessarily agree with and would not help the population at all. It's also wise to know that the Illuminati originally planted the seeds of such institutions in the first place.
Now to the other extreme -- ignorance. I respect new age philosophy and admire the willpower one exerts by transcending petty dualities but if someone is intentionally hurting you constantly and you are just letting them do it, you should have the entitlement of defending yourself. I'm not saying kill the person but you can disarm them to a point that they will stop. It isn't a silly "do unto others" or "eye for an eye" concept that doesn't really resonate with a "love and acceptance" thought process, it's just fairness, because the danger of extreme ignorance can lead to your own self-destruction. Consider it a case of "tough love".
I think true spiritual transformation can occur with a balance, an awareness of both good and evil.

Duality is about subject and object, its about opposites and our state of consciousness.

Both the Buddhists and the Kabbalists talk about Duality and present an entirely different concept in comparison to what you have pointed out in your post.

In Kabbalism Duality exists below the veil called Daath. Theres three Sephiroth above Daath and seven below it.

The Buddhists also refer to Duality as our natural state of existence and that we must rise above it in order to become Enlightened.

The Buddhist view is sort of similar to mine?
My 'version' is just stating how dualistic our nature is, such as the science vs religion argument, good vs evil, and that could include subject vs object as well. I'm just applying it to the common belief of what the age of Pisces is supposed to mean, as religious doctrines are very cryptic.

How goes the research into Kabbalism? That is one thing I haven't ventured into yet but very much intend to, as I've been told that it is the key to understanding many things that the Illuminati does and supposedly freemasonry derived from this (or was it the other way around?)
Gnosticism is also something I will look into. Have you ever been to montalk dot net? That guy is really smart and does a lot of research into ancient teachings.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:48pm:

The Buddhist view is sort of similar to mine? My 'version' is just stating how dualistic our nature is, such as the science vs religion argument, good vs evil, and that could include subject vs object as well. I'm just applying it to the common belief of what the age of Pisces is supposed to mean, as religious doctrines are very cryptic. How goes the research into Kabbalism? That is one thing I haven't ventured into yet but very much intend to, as I've been told that it is the key to understanding many things that the Illuminati does and supposedly freemasonry derived from this (or was it the other way around?) Gnosticism is also something I will look into. Have you ever been to montalk dot net? That guy is really smart and does a lot of research into ancient teachings.

The Kabbalah, i.e. the Tree of Life, is an incredibly comprehensive symbol that provides so much information its unbelievable. The system of the Tarot fits together with the Tree of Life like bric-a-brac.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JmOhe-3opIc/TTFbzkNk7wI/AAAAAAAABFY/ivReCR-XSsM/s1600/kabbalah-tree-of-life.gif
The Golden Dawn System is based heavily upon the Kabbalah as well as Tarot and Astrology. One of the original members of the Golden Dawn, Alan Bennett, gave it up to become a Buddhist and he once stated that Golden Dawn system, and therefore the Kabbalah, was second rate compared to Buddhism.

The difference between the two is that the Kabbalist system is based heavily upon magic ritual whilst Buddhism is based heavily upon meditation.

Unfortunately, the Golden Dawn, along with the works of Helena Blavatsky and the Theosophists, as well as people bringing in Eastern influences, were used to bring in todays 'new age movement'. Its just old knowledge being rehashed for the goals of the Elite and their big agenda.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 9:48pm:

The Buddhist view is sort of similar to mine? My 'version' is just stating how dualistic our nature is, such as the science vs religion argument, good vs evil, and that could include subject vs object as well. I'm just applying it to the common belief of what the age of Pisces is supposed to mean, as religious doctrines are very cryptic. How goes the research into Kabbalism? That is one thing I haven't ventured into yet but very much intend to, as I've been told that it is the key to understanding many things that the Illuminati does and supposedly freemasonry derived from this (or was it the other way around?) Gnosticism is also something I will look into. Have you ever been to montalk dot net? That guy is really smart and does a lot of research into ancient teachings.

Nope. But i'll give it a listen.

I gathered as much. It's like religion, it is all pretty much rehashes of each other, throw in a few different names, different words, etc. But I think there are a lot of hints and good pointers throughout all of the literature, it's just a matter of discernment and wading through the garbage to find something worthy or valuable.

Just had a look at the website.

I saw something about "Nordic aliens" and switched off straight away.

Looks like a typical new age site.

If you want real information in reguard to the truth then watch this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDuSUML64g

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:20pm:

I gathered as much. It's like religion, it is all pretty much rehashes of each other, throw in a few different names, different words, etc. But I think there are a lot of hints and good pointers throughout all of the literature, it's just a matter of discernment and wading through the garbage to find something worthy or valuable.

Don't get me wrong; the Kabbalah when used with Astrology and the Tarot is brilliant for helping a person know and understand more about themselves.

The Tree of Life is like a map of the universe and corresponds to so many things in life you'll be surprised.

The Tree of Life glyph can be used to show the faculties of the mind, the human body, the solar system and anything in life be it animals, plants, herbs, incenses, metals, wood etc... can be found to correspond to at least one of the Sephiroth.

Take the fifth sephiroth for example, Geburah; it corresponds to the following; the number 5, the colour red, Mars, war, revolution, energy, tobacco, pine wood, iron, horses, and many more and the same goes for all the other sephiroth. Many practicing magicians use the Kabbalah for their rituals as well as other sources like grimoires etc...

Buddhism on the other hand is where you've had enough of the illusion of life and want complete liberation. I rate Buddhism above all other systems. Its not for me though, im not ready for that sort of thing.

Yeah he claims to have had experiences with aliens and what not, but if you give him a chance he's got a really good grasp on things -- he actually disagrees with a lot of the new age stuff.
His view on the NWO is that aliens have already taken over the world and are pushing the agenda, but to me regardless of who the Illuminati are is irrelevant; it's the what and the why, and the consequences.
I'm downloading that video you referenced through clipgrab, excellent tool in saving handy youtube clips  :) especially when things tend to get taken off.

Off topic, but I take it you don't believe in aliens or that they have anything to do with what's going on?
What are your reasons?

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Yeah he claims to have had experiences with aliens and what not, but if you give him a chance he's got a really good grasp on things -- he actually disagrees with a lot of the new age stuff. His view on the NWO is that aliens have already taken over the world and are pushing the agenda, but to me regardless of who the Illuminati are is irrelevant; it's the what and the why, and the consequences. I'm downloading that video you referenced through clipgrab, excellent tool in saving handy youtube clips  :) especially when things tend to get taken off. Off topic, but I take it you don't believe in aliens or that they have anything to do with what's going on? What are your reasons?

The video I posted will give you the what and the why.

I understood it the second time I watched it, but I have to warn you; you may not be ready to wake up yet.

Taipan wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:30pm: Yeah he claims to have had experiences with aliens and what not, but if you give him a chance he's got a really good grasp on things -- he actually disagrees with a lot of the new age stuff. His view on the NWO is that aliens have already taken over the world and are pushing the agenda, but to me regardless of who the Illuminati are is irrelevant; it's the what and the why, and the consequences. I'm downloading that video you referenced through clipgrab, excellent tool in saving handy youtube clips  :) especially when things tend to get taken off. Off topic, but I take it you don't believe in aliens or that they have anything to do with what's going on? What are your reasons? The video I posted will give you the what and the why. I understood it the second time I watched it, but I have to warn you; you may not be ready to wake up yet.

Don't worry, I am more than ready. I'm sick of the BS aspect of life, always known that something isn't quite right and that it isn't all it seems, and that money, economics, Hollywood celebrities etc are essentially a joke and we are so much more than this. As far as waking up goes I am only a quarter of the way through and that's being generous -- I also believe we don't actually "wake up" completely until our bodies die.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Taipan wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:32pm: Freedumb wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:30pm: Yeah he claims to have had experiences with aliens and what not, but if you give him a chance he's got a really good grasp on things -- he actually disagrees with a lot of the new age stuff. His view on the NWO is that aliens have already taken over the world and are pushing the agenda, but to me regardless of who the Illuminati are is irrelevant; it's the what and the why, and the consequences. I'm downloading that video you referenced through clipgrab, excellent tool in saving handy youtube clips  :) especially when things tend to get taken off. Off topic, but I take it you don't believe in aliens or that they have anything to do with what's going on? What are your reasons? The video I posted will give you the what and the why. I understood it the second time I watched it, but I have to warn you; you may not be ready to wake up yet. Don't worry, I am more than ready. I'm sick of the BS aspect of life, always known that something isn't quite right and that it isn't all it seems, and that money, economics, Hollywood celebrities etc are essentially a joke and we are so much more than this. As far as waking up goes I am only a quarter of the way through and that's being generous -- I also believe we don't actually "wake up" completely until our bodies die.

Well if you want to know about death then the Buddhists give what sounds to me to be a pretty good explanation of the process of dying. Its quite a comprehensive explanation actually.

Try reading a book called "Luminous Emptiness" by Francesca Fremantle.

Taipan wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:20pm: I gathered as much. It's like religion, it is all pretty much rehashes of each other, throw in a few different names, different words, etc. But I think there are a lot of hints and good pointers throughout all of the literature, it's just a matter of discernment and wading through the garbage to find something worthy or valuable. Don't get me wrong; the Kabbalah when used with Astrology and the Tarot is brilliant for helping a person know and understand more about themselves. The Tree of Life is like a map of the universe and corresponds to so many things in life you'll be surprised. The Tree of Life glyph can be used to show the faculties of the mind, the human body, the solar system and anything in life be it animals, plants, herbs, incenses, metals, wood etc... can be found to correspond to at least one of the Sephiroth. Take the fifth sephiroth for example, Geburah; it corresponds to the following; the number 5, the colour red, Mars, war, revolution, energy, tobacco, pine wood, iron, horses, and many more and the same goes for all the other sephiroth. Many practicing magicians use the Kabbalah for their rituals as well as other sources like grimoires etc... Buddhism on the other hand is where you've had enough of the illusion of life and want complete liberation. I rate Buddhism above all other systems.

Me too, but you’ll be pleased to know Australian Aboriginals also used a form of the Kabbalah.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Taipan wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:32pm: Freedumb wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:30pm: Yeah he claims to have had experiences with aliens and what not, but if you give him a chance he's got a really good grasp on things -- he actually disagrees with a lot of the new age stuff. His view on the NWO is that aliens have already taken over the world and are pushing the agenda, but to me regardless of who the Illuminati are is irrelevant; it's the what and the why, and the consequences. I'm downloading that video you referenced through clipgrab, excellent tool in saving handy youtube clips  :) especially when things tend to get taken off. Off topic, but I take it you don't believe in aliens or that they have anything to do with what's going on? What are your reasons? The video I posted will give you the what and the why. I understood it the second time I watched it, but I have to warn you; you may not be ready to wake up yet. Don't worry, I am more than ready. I'm sick of the BS aspect of life, always known that something isn't quite right and that it isn't all it seems, and that money, economics, Hollywood celebrities etc are essentially a joke and we are so much more than this. As far as waking up goes I am only a quarter of the way through and that's being generous -- I also believe we don't actually "wake up" completely until our bodies die.

Maybe, but I doubt you wake up in death if you don’t wake up first in life before death.

Death, apparently, is a very confusing process. It needs to be well prepared for.

A lot of people equate "preparing for death" with writing out a will  ;)

Funny how many people would rather fear and ignore the idea of death, shove it to the back of their minds. I am intrigued by mystery, and death is the ultimate of mysteries.

On meditation: is it true that you need to have a completely/green diet to successfully meditate? This is something that is very hard to do unless you grow your own fruit/vegetables.

And Taipan: you didn't answer my question.  :) do you believe in aliens, or not? And why don't you think it is significant in regard to the NWO? In my research I've come across people saying that the alien agenda is just another distraction, which is plausible enough. But others say that the aliens are working with the Illuminati.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

On meditation: is it true that you need to have a completely/green diet to successfully meditate? This is something that is very hard to do unless you grow your own fruit/vegetables. And Taipan: you didn't answer my question.  :) do you believe in aliens, or not? And why don't you think it is significant in regard to the NWO? In my research I've come across people saying that the alien agenda is just another distraction, which is plausible enough. But others say that the aliens are working with the Illuminati.

No I don't believe in the whole alien thing. And yes its a distraction. Although after watching a video by a man called Lloyd Pye I did start seriously thinking about the possibility. As far as 'alien' flying craft are concerned I do believe they exist but I believe they belong to the elite, not aliens.

And of course Aborigines were VERY Zen kabbalists!!!!

Gawd, you are ludicrous, PB. 'It's like anything, innit?'



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Soren wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

And of course Aborigines were VERY Zen kabbalists!!!! Gawd, you are ludicrous, PB. 'It's like anything, innit?' [quote author=Karnal link=1409741579/13#13 date=1409753706]

Not at all. I’ve seen the paintings with my own eyes.

I’ve heard that Pacific Islanders also had a version of the Tree of Life with the ten sephiroth. Apparently they used it in navigation.

The Jewish Kabbalah is quite different. Jews did not use symbols - idolatry. "Kabbalah" literally means word of mouth - "the word of God" (or names of God), but also a system of passing knowledge down from one generation to the other.

The Golden Dawn created the visual representation of the Tree of Life by meditating on Gnostic and Medieval Christian  ideas. "Sephiroth" is the Greek for sphere. The names of these spheres, from Kether to Malkuth, correspond to Jewish ideas of creation, through varying dimensions.

I met the guy who painted the Aboriginal Tree of Life. He didn’t say much, but told me his father taught the picture to him. I doubt very much that he had any knowledge of the Western mystery traditions. I doubt he had much of a Western education at all.

His picture was almost identical in form to the one Taipan posted below.

Karnal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 12:15am:

Taipan wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:29pm: Freedumb wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:20pm: I gathered as much. It's like religion, it is all pretty much rehashes of each other, throw in a few different names, different words, etc. But I think there are a lot of hints and good pointers throughout all of the literature, it's just a matter of discernment and wading through the garbage to find something worthy or valuable. Don't get me wrong; the Kabbalah when used with Astrology and the Tarot is brilliant for helping a person know and understand more about themselves. The Tree of Life is like a map of the universe and corresponds to so many things in life you'll be surprised. The Tree of Life glyph can be used to show the faculties of the mind, the human body, the solar system and anything in life be it animals, plants, herbs, incenses, metals, wood etc... can be found to correspond to at least one of the Sephiroth. Take the fifth sephiroth for example, Geburah; it corresponds to the following; the number 5, the colour red, Mars, war, revolution, energy, tobacco, pine wood, iron, horses, and many more and the same goes for all the other sephiroth. Many practicing magicians use the Kabbalah for their rituals as well as other sources like grimoires etc... Buddhism on the other hand is where you've had enough of the illusion of life and want complete liberation. I rate Buddhism above all other systems. Me too, but you’ll be pleased to know Australian Aboriginals also used a form of the Kabbalah.

Ancient White Europeans had their own tree of life called

Yggdrasil ----

http://www.viking-mythology.com/img/Yggdrasil_The_Tree_of_Life_Ratatosk_Nidhug.jpg

It should also be noted that the actual origin of the Kabalah and its Tree of Life is a controversial matter. Personally I think it came out of Babylon with the Talmud. Although the kabbalah was from an oral tradition the tree of life as it is today, which seems to be complete, is probably not more than a couple of hundred years old.

One thing I find to be incomplete is the planetary correspondences. Traditionally Saturn is in the third, the second sephiroth is the zodiac and kether is the primum mobile or something like that. I reckon Uranus belongs in the third, Neptune in the second and Pluto(and Charon) in the first. Saturn belongs to both Daath and the third sephiroth. Keep in mind im not disagreeing with the traditional attributions.

In reguard to the Age of Aquarius the Elites whose plans run by an astrological script believe that nobody of the 'lesser types', i.e. the general public, are allowed to pass on into the Age of Aquarius. By then most of humanity will have been killed off.

Aquarius begins some time around the years 2150 and 2160. By that time the elite will have their NWO-Utopia with only about 500 million people living on the planet and you can bet the elite will bring in the new age with much ceremony on that one first day of the first year of Aquarius and they will refer to that year as "Year Zero". That's when history will begin 'again' as far as they're concerned.

Taipan wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 2:00am:

It should also be noted that the actual origin of the Kabalah and its Tree of Life is a controversial matter. Personally I think it came out of Babylon with the Talmud. Although the kabbalah was from an oral tradition the tree of life as it is today, which seems to be complete, is probably not more than a couple of hundred years old. One thing I find to be incomplete is the planetary correspondences. Traditionally Saturn is in the third, the second sephiroth is the zodiac and kether is the primum mobile or something like that. I reckon Uranus belongs in the third, Neptune in the second and Pluto(and Charon) in the first. Saturn belongs to both Daath and the third sephiroth. Keep in mind im not disagreeing with the traditional attributions.

Maybe, but it was extremely ambitious of Waite, Crowley et al to try to find a universal attribution for everything - a very modern impulse.

Yes - the Jews got this info from Babylon and Egypt. Apparently, Moses was an Egyptian initiate. The whole burning bush thing is hardly meant to be taken literally. Much of the Torah is symbolic. The Jews have an exoteric, or historical, tradition, and an esoteric one, laden with symbols and metaphor.

I don't know a lot about astrology, but I'm hesitant to pin too much down. Pluto, for example, is a recent discovery. More recently still, it's been found not to be a planet at all.

The Golden Dawn's attempts to map the esoteric traditions is admirable, but a very rational, literalist exercise. I'd prefer to keep it simple - like Buddhism. Ultimately, we're aiming beyond the world of forms.

Taipan wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 2:08am:

In reguard to the Age of Aquarius the Elites whose plans run by an astrological script believe that nobody of the 'lesser types', i.e. the general public, are allowed to pass on into the Age of Aquarius. By then most of humanity will have been killed off. Aquarius begins some time around the years 2150 and 2160. By that time the elite will have their NWO-Utopia with only about 500 million people living on the planet and you can bet the elite will bring in the new age with much ceremony on that one first day of the first year of Aquarius and they will refer to that year as "Year Zero". That's when history will begin 'again' as far as they're concerned.

There is no concensus whatsoever on the Age of Aquarius dates, and this is despite modern astronomy and the invention of the computer. Various estimates are thousands of years apart.

However, there are signs of a newly emerging era in human history. Knowledge based on reason is increasingly surpassing knowledge based on faith. Systems of knowledge are increasingly required to be transparent rather than authorized by a trusted body of knowledge holders.

I wonder whether this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, or the dawning of the Vedic "great age" of Kali Yuga.

At present, no one really knows.

The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing.

Taipan wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 2:08am:

In reguard to the Age of Aquarius the Elites whose plans run by an astrological script believe that nobody of the 'lesser types', i.e. the general public, are allowed to pass on into the Age of Aquarius. By then most of humanity will have been killed off. Aquarius begins some time around the years 2150 and 2160. By that time the elite will have their NWO-Utopia with only about 500 million people living on the planet and you can bet the elite will bring in the new age with much ceremony on that one first day of the first year of Aquarius and they will refer to that year as "Year Zero". That's when history will begin 'again' as far as they're concerned.

That's what I suspected. They have a secret knowledge that the regular Joe like you and me do not know, and have made it difficult for us to find.

They worship the stars and the planet. That's why they destroyed most of the important history and burned certain books throughout the years. We only have hints and pieces of the puzzle.

Regarding to the date of "the age of Aquarius" it is all over the place. Some even say it has already begun, 2012 was a popular one. Another said it started in the 60's sometimes. I think it is very deliberate that nobody knows for certain when it is, but I think it's important.

Karnal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2014 at 11:29pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 9:53pm: And of course Aborigines were VERY Zen kabbalists!!!! Gawd, you are ludicrous, PB. 'It's like anything, innit?' [quote author=Karnal link=1409741579/13#13 date=1409753706] Not at all. I’ve seen the paintings with my own eyes. I’ve heard that Pacific Islanders also had a version of the Tree of Life with the ten sephiroth. Apparently they used it in navigation. The Jewish Kabbalah is quite different. Jews did not use symbols - idolatry. "Kabbalah" literally means word of mouth - "the word of God" (or names of God), but also a system of passing knowledge down from one generation to the other. The Golden Dawn created the visual representation of the Tree of Life by meditating on Gnostic and Medieval Christian  ideas. "Sephiroth" is the Greek for sphere. The names of these spheres, from Kether to Malkuth, correspond to Jewish ideas of creation, through varying dimensions. I met the guy who painted the Aboriginal Tree of Life. He didn’t say much, but told me his father taught the picture to him. I doubt very much that he had any knowledge of the Western mystery traditions. I doubt he had much of a Western education at all. His picture was almost identical in form to the one Taipan posted below.

It leads me to believe that the earliest civilisations knew the knowledge that is "forbidden". So many different civilisations have learnt very similar things, yet they weren't connected and probably weren't even aware of each other?
It's truly amazing.

Taipan: Are you familiar with William Cooper? He believed that the elite use holographic images to orchestrate the appearance of UFOs in the sky.
It's just so hard to believe what is right but it's up to our own discretion. What I find so curious is David Icke; he is pretty full on with the reptilian Illuminati idea, and usually whistleblowers or people with certain information are usually silenced. I learnt that Icke earns millions from his books, speeches and DVDs. I also find it interesting that some of his speeches can last up to 9 hours!! Talk about TRANCE and mind control, especially when I've seen him use the Masonic hand signs. It leads me to believe that he is part of the agenda.

Taipan wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing.

The Elite who’ve written books on this, largely disagree.

Quite a few Elite predicted things would happen in 2012. We still have one of them posting here.

The Elite are not as Elite as you think they are, Taipan. The Elite make mistakes like everyone else.

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:40pm:

Taipan wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:05pm: The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing. The Elite who’ve written books on this, largely disagree. Quite a few Elite predicted things would happen in 2012. We still have one of them posting here. The Elite are not as Elite as you think they are, Taipan. The Elite make mistakes like everyone else.

The first one they made was that assuming every single human being is stupid.

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:40pm:

Taipan wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:05pm: The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing. The Elite who’ve written books on this, largely disagree. Quite a few Elite predicted things would happen in 2012. We still have one of them posting here. The Elite are not as Elite as you think they are, Taipan. The Elite make mistakes like everyone else.

Who exactly are you talking about?

Freedumb wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 10:40pm: Taipan wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:05pm: The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing. The Elite who’ve written books on this, largely disagree. Quite a few Elite predicted things would happen in 2012. We still have one of them posting here. The Elite are not as Elite as you think they are, Taipan. The Elite make mistakes like everyone else. The first one they made was that assuming every single human being is stupid.

We’re not that bright, Freedumb. Many of us believed.

Karnal wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 12:14am:

Freedumb wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 10:59pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 10:40pm: Taipan wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:05pm: The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing. The Elite who’ve written books on this, largely disagree. Quite a few Elite predicted things would happen in 2012. We still have one of them posting here. The Elite are not as Elite as you think they are, Taipan. The Elite make mistakes like everyone else. The first one they made was that assuming every single human being is stupid. We’re not that bright, Freedumb. Many of us believed.

I know, it was a repeat of the Y2K theory.
I contemplated the idea myself, but then I thought if the world was going to end, it would have to be when we least expect it  ;)
I think this kind of disinformation/belief is spread around on purpose, by the high and mighty Elite.
When Taipan is talking of the Elite, and if I am referring to the Elite, we are speaking of the sinister cowards hiding behind the veil sitting upon a throne, pulling the strings or planting seeds into people's minds, so that in turn, these puppets will publish a book or create a cult-like following on topics such as 2012, aliens and UFOs, etc. They are that cunning that they orchestrate events like 9/11, and then plant seeds into a conspiracy theory agenda! If you spent day after day obsessing about 9/11 and pondering over the anomalies and strange behaviours that occurred before, during and even years after the event, and keeps you from discovering the truth, right?
So although a conspiracy type theme may put you on the path to the truth, it is also set up as a means to keep you from it, all at once. It's a vile world.
Same goes for the 2012 scenario. I mean, why bother trying to find out the truth (prior to dec 21 2012) if you're life is going to end in that particular year?
Plus, it also plays into the whole "boy who cried wolf scenario" so by the time something major might happen, you just shrug it off and think to yourself, "what a load BS".
Those Elite b*stards are cunning, they know how to plant different seeds for different minds.

Freedumb wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 12:34am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2014 at 12:14am: Freedumb wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 10:59pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 10:40pm: Taipan wrote on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:05pm: The Elite know the date of the beginning of the age of Aquarius. That you can be sure of. When it comes to astrology they know what they're doing. The Elite who’ve written books on this, largely disagree. Quite a few Elite predicted things would happen in 2012. We still have one of them posting here. The Elite are not as Elite as you think they are, Taipan. The Elite make mistakes like everyone else. The first one they made was that assuming every single human being is stupid. We’re not that bright, Freedumb. Many of us believed. I know, it was a repeat of the Y2K theory. I contemplated the idea myself, but then I thought if the world was going to end, it would have to be when we least expect it  ;) I think this kind of disinformation/belief is spread around on purpose, by the high and mighty Elite. When Taipan is talking of the Elite, and if I am referring to the Elite, we are speaking of the sinister cowards hiding behind the veil sitting upon a throne, pulling the strings or planting seeds into people's minds, so that in turn, these puppets will publish a book or create a cult-like following on topics such as 2012, aliens and UFOs, etc. They are that cunning that they orchestrate events like 9/11, and then plant seeds into a conspiracy theory agenda! If you spent day after day obsessing about 9/11 and pondering over the anomalies and strange behaviours that occurred before, during and even years after the event, and keeps you from discovering the truth, right? So although a conspiracy type theme may put you on the path to the truth, it is also set up as a means to keep you from it, all at once. It's a vile world. Same goes for the 2012 scenario. I mean, why bother trying to find out the truth (prior to dec 21 2012) if you're life is going to end in that particular year? Plus, it also plays into the whole "boy who cried wolf scenario" so by the time something major might happen, you just shrug it off and think to yourself, "what a load BS". Those Elite b*stards are cunning, they know how to plant different seeds for different minds.

Yep, that pretty much says it.

I have come to the conclusion that I don't think we'll be able to help wake EVERYBODY up, but don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should stop trying. I just think the majority will continue to be as sheep, and will be sucked right into the jaws of doom. "Majority rules" so it won't matter what the minority think or try to do to prevent it before all hell breaks loose. The NWO will have it so that the majority won't see the hell breaking loose, instead they'll see it as heaven on Earth.

The part that has me confused is that all of these new age gurus who go on about the NWO always go on about there being hope, we will prevail etc because the benevolent energies are shining onto the earth and waking people up and all of this other New Age jargon, which I've been reading about for a few years now and I've lost all faith in it because people are falling into a deeper sleep, and even those who claim to be awake are going back to sleep. I can see a pattern forming, and if you oppose the NWO as a New Ager it won't make much difference because the result will be the same . New Age philosophy is working to unify everybody as we are all the same consciousness, all god, etc. I agree with this to a certain degree but it is teaching people to "turn the other cheek" with philosophies such as "if you don't think about it, it won't happen to you." (Law of attraction). So it's basically exposing the evil Illuminati for what they are and then backflipping and saying ignore it, it won't happen, the Christ consciousness will unite all.
On the other hand, war isn't the answer either. Look what war and division has done to everybody, it's turned them into sheep who don't even know what the real cause is. But using the same method will just make us the new Illuminati.
So the question is, what is the answer?
This new "paradigm" or NWO will happen to coincide with the Age of Aquarius. This will be the end of the world.
I find it curious that they have a weapon that is capable of destroying the earth, so what happens next? It causes a cataclysm, wipes the "expendable" people off the planet, and they keep their chosen elite, and start again? Mess with the world, create chaos, then enforce order when it is time for the next age?
We have the pieces of the puzzle, but a piece is missing. It is this piece of the puzzle that is forbidden from the common people, even those who do their research. No matter how much research we do into this, it will mean nothing without this piece.
The spirits/interdimensional beings that people channel don't seem to have this information either. It leads me to believe that they're all working for the Illuminati, either that or they don't even exist. Some form of advanced technology or something.
Either way this missing piece is the key. I'm sure of it.

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» Yes. I write to fulfill a need, and there are many books and websites out Would I be correct in my assertion, that you write more for people who have awakened to the 3D manipulation, but have yet to see and grasp the 4D(spiritual/metaphysical/alien) manipulation?there covering the 3D conspiracy. You know, the 9/11 coverup, Bilderbergers, Illuminati, even the government UFO coverup. Those fields are saturated with material. Also they only address the enemy outside the gates, not inside the gates. Inside we have the 4D manipulation of our own minds and souls. If we lose the battle there, then the external war is already lost. This happens to people who study so much 3D conspiracy that they end up falling for a 4D agenda; for instance, getting so cynical, pessimistic, and angry about human elites running the planet, that they become dead and bitter inside. Nasty angry people. Spiritually they have succumbed, even if externally they are still fighting against the 9/11 coverup for instance. They have no balance, and they are striking at the branches instead of the roots.  They are guarding the front door while the back door is wide open. In fact, there are disinformation agents who very openly discuss the 3D conspiracy, but grow rabid and manipulative when you mention either/both the alien and spiritual/hyper-dimensional aspect to the conspiracy. It’s because that’s where the real manipulators are, and where the real solutions are to be found. So you see, the trap is for people to either fall for negative awareness  or  ignorant positivity. The latter is those New Age-oriented types who have no concerns for the problems of the world and try to ignore it, in order to focus solely on improving their selves and lives but in a superficial and ego-based way. They actually don’t care to help others, but want to use reality creation methods to manifest millions for themselves for fame and fortune. Which is why, on my site, I recommend positive awareness. To see truth from a higher context, instead of ignoring what is uncomfortable to hear, or instead of focusing only on the uncomfortable and succumbing to emotional suicide from the higher lack of perspective that could balance it out. Those who focus only on the 3D conspiracy, or who choose ignorant bliss, are in the pockets of the 4D manipulators, and they don’t get real interference, only superficial interference meant to make them think they’re on the right track. It’s when you ARE actually on the right track, that you get covert interference meant to make you doubt yourself or stray onto a wrong line of research. Which is what I have to watch out for constantly.

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Far out! Read that about five minutes after the above post.