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The 31-year-old brother of Australia's first suicide bomber is among two men arrested following an Australian Federal Police raid on an Islamic book store south of Brisbane. Omar Succarieh of Kuraby and 21-year-old Agim Kruezi from Boronia Heights were taken into custody after police raided iQraa Islamic Centre at Underwood on Wednesday morning, along with eight other addresses. Both will appear in Brisbane Magistrates Court on Thursday morning, with police expected to oppose bail for the pair. Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/logan-islamic-centre-raided-by-australian-federal-police-20140910-10eunu.html#ixzz3CxeRq3wR

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/logan-islamic-centre-raided-by-australian-federal-police-20140910-10eunu.html

close it down, deport all who went there.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

Quote: The 31-year-old brother of Australia's first suicide bomber is among two men arrested following an Australian Federal Police raid on an Islamic book store south of Brisbane. Omar Succarieh of Kuraby and 21-year-old Agim Kruezi from Boronia Heights were taken into custody after police raided iQraa Islamic Centre at Underwood on Wednesday morning, along with eight other addresses. Both will appear in Brisbane Magistrates Court on Thursday morning, with police expected to oppose bail for the pair. Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/logan-islamic-centre-raided-by-australian-federal-police-20140910-10eunu.html#ixzz3CxeRq3wR http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/logan-islamic-centre-raided-by-australian-federal-police-20140910-10eunu.html close it down, deport all who went there.

On what grounds?  What if they were born in Australia?  Where you going to deport them to?  Logan is already pretty much the ends of the Earth.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

its a centre for terrorists.

many people there would have been aware something was on.


a crime has been committeed on that premises, the owner/tenant can be assumed to be willing.

as were many of the regulars

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

its a centre for terrorists. many people there would have been aware something was on. a crime has been committeed on that premises, the owner/tenant can be assumed to be willing. as were many of the regulars

What crime?  Please cite how any crime allows you to deport an Australian born citizen from Australia.   Where are you going to deport them to?  "Muslim-land"?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:19pm: its a centre for terrorists. many people there would have been aware something was on. a crime has been committeed on that premises, the owner/tenant can be assumed to be willing. as were many of the regulars What crime?  Please cite how any crime allows you to deport an Australian born citizen from Australia.   Where are you going to deport them to?  "Muslim-land"?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

change the laws.
there is some small freezing uninhabitable isle where we can jettison the filth of the world onto.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:47pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:19pm: its a centre for terrorists. many people there would have been aware something was on. a crime has been committeed on that premises, the owner/tenant can be assumed to be willing. as were many of the regulars What crime?  Please cite how any crime allows you to deport an Australian born citizen from Australia.   Where are you going to deport them to?  "Muslim-land"?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D change the laws.

Make an interesting High Court case if a Government attempted to, Sprint.   ::)


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there is some small freezing uninhabitable isle where we can jettison the filth of the world onto.

So much for your Christian beliefs then, hey?    ::)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/18/xin_1503021810194062561911.jpg

just the spot for them

no, this one is more suited

http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac96da25835abbc4d7ffed461ac62778/tumblr_n0r41hLMB21sov2u1o1_500.jpg

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:10am:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/18/xin_1503021810194062561911.jpg just the spot for them

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:12am:

no, this one is more suited http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac96da25835abbc4d7ffed461ac62778/tumblr_n0r41hLMB21sov2u1o1_500.jpg

Going to be rather cramped to fit over a billion people there, on either one, Sprint.   ::)

You really have forgotten your Christian beliefs.  Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::)

What a mistake letting these people come here.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::)

Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.

It's actually an Islamic prayer, Soren.   No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment.

And only people like you get suckered by it, though...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment.

?
Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty..

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment. ? Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty..

And you fell for it, Soren.

Interesting that also FD fell for it, many months ago.   He realised it was a non-event.  Why am I surprised that you won't?    ;D

Fell for it????  How? What?
You are NOT a numpty.???

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Fell for it????  How? What?

If you can't figure it out, Soren there is no point in explaining it.  "Come in spinner!"   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Fell for it????  How? What? If you can't figure it out, Soren there is no point in explaining it.  "Come in spinner!"   ::)

Nor can you explain it Brain. As usual, you can only nudge-nudge but  not provide anything coherent.

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Fell for it????  How? What? If you can't figure it out, Soren there is no point in explaining it.  "Come in spinner!"   ::) Nor can you explain it Brain. As usual, you can only nudge-nudge but  not provide anything coherent.

Oh, I can and have explained it, Soren.  It shut FD up when he attempted to imply the same thing - that because I quote an Islamic prayer somehow that means I am necessarily a Muslim.    ;D

Next you'll be saying 'cause I quote Mahatma Gandhi that I am a Hindu or Indian or if I quote Martin Luther King, I'm black.  Does that mean if I quote Winston Churchill, I'm British?   ::)

The reality is, Soren I put that quote there deliberately months ago to trap Islamophobes like yourself.   I am so glad to see you finally took the bait and expose yourself more fully.  Seems you just think a lot slower than FD or alternatively, you've been more desperate and decided to try and attack me personally...   ;D

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.

I see Brian's caught another fish with his bait.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 3:15pm: Fell for it????  How? What? If you can't figure it out, Soren there is no point in explaining it.  "Come in spinner!"   ::) Nor can you explain it Brain. As usual, you can only nudge-nudge but  not provide anything coherent. Oh, I can and have explained it, Soren.  It shut FD up when he attempted to imply the same thing - that because I quote an Islamic prayer somehow that means I am necessarily a Muslim.    ;D Next you'll be saying 'cause I quote Mahatma Gandhi that I am a Hindu or Indian or if I quote Martin Luther King, I'm black.  Does that mean if I quote Winston Churchill, I'm British?

We’ve been through all this. Quote Gandhi and you’re a limpwristed spineless apologist. Quote Churchill and you might be okay, depending on the quote.

The old boy posted one on the dirty Mohammedans - good.

Just don’t quote Churchill on the Hun. Whatever you do, don’t mention the war - unless it directly relates to appeasing the Muselman.

Trying to distract with threats like Nazis is more limpwristed spineless apologism and will not be tolerated.

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment. ? Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty..

I said you are an abject sucker-upper, Brain, eager to preen and parade your spineless submissiveness.
I didn't say you were a Muslim.

Yes, old boy, but we’re teaching him - Lutheran style, innit.

Like your prophet, John.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:10am: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/18/xin_1503021810194062561911.jpg just the spot for them Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:12am: no, this one is more suited http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac96da25835abbc4d7ffed461ac62778/tumblr_n0r41hLMB21sov2u1o1_500.jpg Going to be rather cramped to fit over a billion people there, on either one, Sprint.   ::) You really have forgotten your Christian beliefs.  Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::)

being squeezed for space is not our issue.
if muslims stand back and say 'we can't do nuffink about muslim terrorists' , then I suggest the government step in and do something about muslims.

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:17pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment. ? Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty.. I said you are an abject sucker-upper, Brain, eager to preen and parade your spineless submissiveness. I didn't say you were a Muslim.

Problem is, Soren, you define "spinelessness" as anybody who disagrees with you.   ::)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:10am: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/18/xin_1503021810194062561911.jpg just the spot for them Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:12am: no, this one is more suited http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac96da25835abbc4d7ffed461ac62778/tumblr_n0r41hLMB21sov2u1o1_500.jpg Going to be rather cramped to fit over a billion people there, on either one, Sprint.   ::) You really have forgotten your Christian beliefs.  Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) being squeezed for space is not our issue. if muslims stand back and say 'we can't do nuffink about muslim terrorists' , then I suggest the government step in and do something about muslims.

Just like banning the Communist Party in 1949, efforts to "do something about Muslims" would be considered a step too far, Sprint.  Any Government which attempted it, would be considered to have broken Section 116 of the Constitution and would be slung out of government in all likelihood.

You, OTOH would be leading any future pogrom without a doubt.   ::)

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.........You, OTOH would be leading any future pogrom without a doubt......

Absolutely positively

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:17pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment. ? Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty.. I said you are an abject sucker-upper, Brain, eager to preen and parade your spineless submissiveness. I didn't say you were a Muslim. Problem is, Soren, you define "spinelessness" as anybody who disagrees with you.   ::)

No, Brain, I define sipelessness as excusing evil at every turn. You excuse evil at every opportunity. That is what you do, and nothing else. You have long ago abandoned any moral compass in preference to excusing evil acts in the name of Islam.
You are exactly like those faceless Rothermere functionaries who covered up the sexual abuse of 1400 girls by Pakistani men.
You are a disgraceful coward, Brian. A cowering, despicable bend-over useful idiot. You hide behind platitudes of tolerance but you only tolerate these who want to destroy your tolerance. You are a sad but typical dickhead with no redeeming features, full of platitudinous shite.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Quote: .........You, OTOH would be leading any future pogrom without a doubt...... Absolutely positively

So, you're proud of being a bigot then?   ::)

So, you'd be happy committing acts of violence against innocent people simply because of their religion?

You're no better than the bigots in the IS organisation, Sprint.    :o

Soren wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:17pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment. ? Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty.. I said you are an abject sucker-upper, Brain, eager to preen and parade your spineless submissiveness. I didn't say you were a Muslim. Problem is, Soren, you define "spinelessness" as anybody who disagrees with you.   ::) No, Brain, I define sipelessness as excusing evil at every turn. You excuse evil at every opportunity. That is what you do, and nothing else. You have long ago abandoned any moral compass in preference to excusing evil acts in the name of Islam.

No, Soren, I condemn it.  I condemn your evil religious persecution of innocent people merely because they are members of a religion you hate.  You are no better than the Nazis with their anti-Semitism.   We all know where that led, now don't we?   ::)


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You are exactly like those faceless Rothermere functionaries who covered up the sexual abuse of 1400 girls by Pakistani men.

Yet I have condemned that, Soren.   As usual, you misrepresent your opponents and resort to ad hominem because you cannot win a debate in any other way.


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You are a disgraceful coward, Brian. A cowering, despicable bend-over useful idiot. You hide behind platitudes of tolerance but you only tolerate these who want to destroy your tolerance. You are a sad but typical dickhead with no redeeming features, full of platitudinous shite.

No, Soren, you appear unable to differentiate between those who "want to destroy [my] tolerance" and the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims who you persecute with your unending tirade of abuse and hatred.   That you cannot even perceive there is a difference between those who would be, like all of us victims of the hatred and intolerance of the who "want to destroy [my] tolerance", the radical Islamists, just goes how deep your bigotry extends.

However, in reality, I suspect you're just a frightened little bigot who would never say, "Booh!" to a Muslim if you met them on the street 'cause you'd be so terrified they would cut your head off.  Instead you hide behind your computer and scream and rant and rave against Muslims and Islam, knowing that you'll never have to face the consequences of your actions.  It was against you, that FD said in 2007,


freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

You're one of the worst alienaters. You want your prophecies of hatred to come true because then you could be satisfied that you were right and bugger the lives of the innocents that you ruin with your acts of vilification.  ::)

Now, run along Soren, look out for the Muslims under your bed.  You'd better check before you go to sleep, in case they creep out and cut your head off.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:01pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:17pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:22pm:   Which Madrassah did you graduate from?  The same one that Soren studied at?   ::) Only you have an Islamic quote under all your posts, numpty.    No different to any other exhortation to a higher being, be it Christian or Buddhist or Hindu in sentiment. ? Yet you choose the Islamic one and then in Arabic - but as you do not understand Arabic, you use the latinised transcription. Because simply writing it in English would not be sucking up deeply enough for you, poor numpty.. I said you are an abject sucker-upper, Brain, eager to preen and parade your spineless submissiveness. I didn't say you were a Muslim. Problem is, Soren, you define "spinelessness" as anybody who disagrees with you.   ::) No, Brain, I define sipelessness as excusing evil at every turn. You excuse evil at every opportunity. That is what you do, and nothing else. You have long ago abandoned any moral compass in preference to excusing evil acts in the name of Islam. No, Soren, I condemn it.  I condemn your evil religious persecution of innocent people merely because they are members of a religion you hate.  You are no better than the Nazis with their anti-Semitism.   We all know where that led, now don't we?   ::) Quote: You are exactly like those faceless Rothermere functionaries who covered up the sexual abuse of 1400 girls by Pakistani men. Yet I have condemned that, Soren.   As usual, you misrepresent your opponents and resort to ad hominem because you cannot win a debate in any other way. [quote] You are a disgraceful coward, Brian. A cowering, despicable bend-over useful idiot. You hide behind platitudes of tolerance but you only tolerate these who want to destroy your tolerance. You are a sad but typical dickhead with no redeeming features, full of platitudinous shite.

No, Soren, you appear unable to differentiate between those who "want to destroy [my] tolerance" and the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims who you persecute with your unending tirade of abuse and hatred.   That you cannot even perceive there is a difference between those who would be, like all of us victims of the hatred and intolerance of the who "want to destroy [my] tolerance", the radical Islamists, just goes how deep your bigotry extends.

However, in reality, I suspect you're just a frightened little bigot who would never say, "Booh!" to a Muslim if you met them on the street 'cause you'd be so terrified they would cut your head off.  Instead you hide behind your computer and scream and rant and rave against Muslims and Islam, knowing that you'll never have to face the consequences of your actions.  It was against you, that FD said in 2007,


freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

You're one of the worst alienaters. You want your prophecies of hatred to come true because then you could be satisfied that you were right and bugger the lives of the innocents that you ruin with your acts of vilification.  ::)

Now, run along Soren, look out for the Muslims under your bed.  You'd better check before you go to sleep, in case they creep out and cut your head off.    ::) [/quote]


You have never, ever, EVER, EVER condemned Islamic attrocities with the zeal you jump on anyone condemning Islamic attrocities.

I’ve always said just that, old boy. Never ever EVER EVER.

Good to see we’re all on the same page, innit.

Soren wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

You have never, ever, EVER, EVER condemned Islamic attrocities with the zeal you jump on anyone condemning Islamic attrocities.

I had great fun with Brian on the old site, he claimed he had condemned Islamic atrocities, in fact he over egged it and said he frequently did so. 

I thought that sounds odd cos I have never seen a single one so I did the search, ...nothing, nada, zip.  I challenged the fool to show where he had said so and he resorted to his usual bluster without ever linking to any previous condemnation.

But for extra giggles and obviously realising he had an obvious and demonstrable bias, later and rather quietly he did throw out a condemnation.  A single one, which he forever referenced afterwards as evidence of how even handed he is.

Bloke must think everyone is as stupid as his alter ego. 

Soren wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

You have never, ever, EVER, EVER condemned Islamic attrocities with the zeal you jump on anyone condemning Islamic attrocities.

Feeling the pressure, Soren?  Good.

I don't condemn people for condemning Islamic atrocities if they condemn only the perpetrators, Soren.   Unfortunately you and your compatriots rarely do, you invariably ascribe to all Muslims any such atrocities which are committed only by a minority.

As for my condemnation of Islamic atrocities.  No I don't.  I condemn Muslim atrocities.   Detect the subtle difference?  I also suspect that my condemnation would be too measured for you, who resorts to and prefers outright bigotry and hatred for all Muslims.   ::)

How about you?  Have you ever, ever condemned the persecution of Muslims with the zeal you condemn Muslims for any of the slightest infringement you imagine them to have committed?  Still waiting to see you stand up for innocent Muslims suffering from the sort of religious persecution you peddle in all your posts.  Oh, wait, that can't work, can it, condemning yourself?   ::)

Muslims are persecuted by other Muslims far more than by anyone else.
Muslims are victims of other Muslims.

Explain.

Soren wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Muslims are persecuted by other Muslims far more than by anyone else. Muslims are victims of other Muslims. Explain.

I have made both points repeatedly, Soren.

I have explained both points repeatedly.  Why must I repeat the explanation?  Didn't you understand it the first "n" times?   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 9:43pm: Muslims are persecuted by other Muslims far more than by anyone else. Muslims are victims of other Muslims. Explain. I have made both points repeatedly, Soren. I have explained both points repeatedly.  Why must I repeat the explanation?  Didn't you understand it the first "n" times?   ::)

But Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, yes?
It's our fault that the religion of peacers are killing each other in the name of.... er... Islam.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

As for my condemnation of Islamic atrocities.  No I don't.  I condemn Muslim atrocities.   Detect the subtle difference?

Er.... no. Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam are committing Islamic atrocities.
Their islam must be scrutinised and rejected if it indeed provided the motivation.
Especially now when there are so many horrors committed in the name of Islam it is preposterous for you and (other) Muslims to argue that Islam is beyond criticism. It is an untenable position - and you cling to it, naturally.

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 11:26pm: Soren wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 9:43pm: Muslims are persecuted by other Muslims far more than by anyone else. Muslims are victims of other Muslims. Explain. I have made both points repeatedly, Soren. I have explained both points repeatedly.  Why must I repeat the explanation?  Didn't you understand it the first "n" times?   ::) But Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, yes?

What we are observing is a battle for control of the religion of Islam, between the extremists and the moderates.   The extremists are expressing one interpretation of the belief system which is not supported by the majority of Muslims.  You however appear to keep trying to portray Islam as being monolithic whereas the reality is obviously very different, Soren.   ::)


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It's our fault that the religion of peacers are killing each other in the name of.... er... Islam.

We are contributing heavily to the problem but ultimately it is the Muslims, the extremist Muslims in particular who must bear responsibility for their actions, Soren.  They are killing one another in the name of their version of the religion referred to as Islam.  Rather as the Catholics and the Protestants killed each other in the name of Christianity during the 30 Years War in Europe.

Out of a matter of interest, Sore, which end do you crack your egg on?   ::)

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 8:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 8:55pm: As for my condemnation of Islamic atrocities.  No I don't.  I condemn Muslim atrocities.   Detect the subtle difference?  Er.... no. Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam are committing Islamic atrocities.

No, they are committing Muslim atrocities, Soren.


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Their islam must be scrutinised and rejected if it indeed provided the motivation.

Just as Christianity then should be rejected if it indirect provided the motivation for Joseph Kony's atrocities?


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Especially now when there are so many horrors committed in the name of Islam it is preposterous for you and (other) Muslims to argue that Islam is beyond criticism. It is an untenable position - and you cling to it, naturally.

You keep assuming I am a Muslim.  Why, what evidence do you have I am a Muslim, Soren?

I have never argued that Islam is beyond criticism, Soren.  The problem is that your criticism goes beyond that, into the realm of persecution.   ::)

...

It's pretty simple, really.
If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect.
Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam.

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:19am:

It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect.

I suspect it's what you're used to.  People work within the system they are used to.  Americans think anything that is mildly left of centre is full blown Communism.  Australians don't.  The UK, despite the superficial similarities is very different to Australia but my Sensei, Herbert refuses to recognise that, despite having left the UK what over 50 years ago?  Fear drives your perceptions of the "other",  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam.[/quote]


Nothing but that's my opinion.  I just hate pricks like you trying to impose your opinion on people who may choose otherwise.  It's their opiate Soren, they can ingest it how they like.   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. I suspect it's what you're used to.  People work within the system they are used to.  Americans think anything that is mildly left of centre is full blown Communism.  Australians don't.  The UK, despite the superficial similarities is very different to Australia but my Sensei, Herbert refuses to recognise that, despite having left the UK what over 50 years ago?  Fear drives your perceptions of the "other",  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam.

Nothing but that's my opinion.  I just hate pricks like you trying to impose your opinion on people who may choose otherwise.  It's their opiate Soren, they can ingest it how they like.   :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D[/quote]



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........Americans think anything that is mildly left of centre is full blown Communism......

you are wrong. the US has been very left wing for a very long time. Many of its problems have been from left wingedness

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

you are wrong. the US has been very left wing for a very long time. Many of its problems have been from left wingedness

Not from my perspective!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

you are wrong. the US has been very left wing for a very long time. Many of its problems have been from left wingedness

Your so-called "problems" come from having a constitution and a Bill of Rights. If you think this is left-wingedness, blame the Founding Fathers.

Soren wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 2:19am:

It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam.

What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::)

Just tell us how Islam and sharia would make Australia better. No need to pout and preen.




And it's who, not whom. You are a dreadful pedant, Brain.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::)

What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them?

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Fell for it????  How? What? You are NOT a numpty.???

We all know who the numpty is Soren and it ain't Brian...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 2:11am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them?

yes, death threats for any criticism makes them unique.

beheadings, worldwide riots add to the effect.

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 2:11am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them?

Still haven't figured out the difference between criticism and persecution?  Keep working on it, you'll catch up with the 21st century eventually.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 2:11am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them? Still haven't figured out the difference between criticism and persecution?  Keep working on it, you'll catch up with the 21st century eventually.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Criticism,  scrutiny,  condemnation,  rejection are not persecution.  They are expression of freedom of thought and speech.


Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiitess:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscadtion if property,  destruction of property,  death.

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:25pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 2:11am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them? Still haven't figured out the difference between criticism and persecution?  Keep working on it, you'll catch up with the 21st century eventually.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Criticism,  scrutiny,  condemnation,  rejection are not persecution.  They are expression of freedom of thought and speech.

Except you keep accusing all Muslims of the most horrendous crimes and beliefs without evidence.  You seek to hound and harry them at every turn.


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Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiitess:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscadtion if property,  destruction of property,  death.

Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them.  Just as FD suggested:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 7:45am:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 2:11am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them? yes, death threats for any criticism makes them unique. beheadings, worldwide riots add to the effect.

it's ONLY muslims that do this.
It's ISLAM that causes this.

it's MUSLIMS actions.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:45am: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 2:11am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them? yes, death threats for any criticism makes them unique. beheadings, worldwide riots add to the effect. it's ONLY muslims that do this. It's ISLAM that causes this. it's MUSLIMS actions.

Actions now, is it?

What happened to their sinister book being ever so mean in comparison to the Old Testament?

If it’s actions today, my bet is you’ll be back to the books tomorrow.

You have such a terrible memory, Sprint.

I blame Islam.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 7:45am: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 2:11am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them? yes, death threats for any criticism makes them unique. beheadings, worldwide riots add to the effect. it's ONLY muslims that do this.

If you limit yourself to talk-back radio and 60 Minutes, yes.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them.

How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc?

Name one.

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc?

Gently, yet with a strong sense of self satisfaction    :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Gently, yet with a strong sense of self satisfaction    :-/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2hlEwRA-wo

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Name one.

Like Allan Jones you encourage others to do your work for you!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Name one. Like Allan Jones you encourage others to do your work for you!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Who did I encourage?
Name one.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Name one. Like Allan Jones

Yes, I'm sure he does.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Soren wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:34am:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:27am: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Name one. Like Allan Jones you encourage others to do your work for you!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D Who did I encourage? Name one.

Anders Behring Breivik.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 1:13am:

Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:34am: |dev|null wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:27am: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Name one. Like Allan Jones you encourage others to do your work for you!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D Who did I encourage? Name one. Anders Behring Breivik.

:D
You ARE insane.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Gently, yet with a strong sense of self satisfaction    :-/

muslims alienate themselves

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:53pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Gently, yet with a strong sense of self satisfaction    :-/ muslims alienate themselves

Many of them do, yes.

Soren wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:38am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 1:13am: Soren wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:34am: |dev|null wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:27am: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 8:50pm: |dev|null wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 4:04pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:46pm: Persecution is what IS and the saudis are doing to christians,  what the sunnis are doing to the shiites:  asrrest,  job loss,  confiscation if property,  destruction of property,  death. Persecution is what you do to moderate Muslims, alienating them. How do I arrest Muslims or confiscate their property or sack them from their jobs etc? Name one. Like Allan Jones you encourage others to do your work for you!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D Who did I encourage? Name one. Anders Behring Breivik. :D You ARE insane.

Why, Soren?   Breivik admitted he took inspiration from people like you.  Interesting that his name has just popped up in the news today.  As a Psychiatrist (I assume a practising one?), what would be your opinion on Breivik and his views about Muslims? 

|dev|null wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 3:25pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 2:11am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 11:59pm: Soren wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 2:19am: It's pretty simple, really. If Islam and sharia were ruling Australia, it would be a significantly worse place in every respect. Think about that and let me know what exactly recommends Islam. What recommends any religion, Soren?  All have their dirty linen.  Whom are you to judge Islam?  Whom are you to condemn Muslims who have committed no crime other than share a religious name with criminals? ::) What puts Islam beyond criticism, its teachings above condemnation, its followers beyond scrutiny, their actions beyond condemnation? Is there something unique about them? Still haven't figured out the difference between criticism and persecution?  Keep working on it, you'll catch up with the 21st century eventually.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

It's persecution when we criticise Muslims, isn't it? We are all persecuting them. And being wacist bigots.