https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/



Quote:

The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years. The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show. The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July. The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration. The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists.

Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... 8-)

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"The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show."

"jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week?

Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?

" ...  the Australian Bureau of Statistics figures were encouraging but looked a little bit too good to be true."

"There's no way this economy created 121,000 jobs in the month," Mr Hogan said.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

"There's no way this economy created 121,000 jobs in the month," Mr Hogan said.

...and what did Colonel Clink and Sgt Schultz say Greggy?  :D

Swagman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:12pm: "There's no way this economy created 121,000 jobs in the month," Mr Hogan said. ...and what did Colonel Clink and Sgt Schultz say Greggy?  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp9BJxFHDYI

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???



just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

"jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week?

Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA

Abbotts policies need time to kick in ... car industry hasn't shut down yet, that'll be a big hit, just in time for the next election

;D ;D ;D

The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

"jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA

you could always just make it up.  that's not beyond you Pedantry-Man

They get pretty excited about what looks like a first reduction which is still much higher unemployment than we have had for many years.

Remember the previous result was a lot worse - so this one looks better because it's not a lot worse, we recovered back to the previous poor result. Isn't it wonderful.

Its time wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott.

but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/us-australia-economy-employment-idUSKBN0H605N20140911

Let's Have a Look.....


Australian employment surged by the most on record in August and far beyond the most optimistic forecast, on the face of it a stunningly strong report that should calm recent concerns about the health of the economy.

That's Good - well done


The local dollar AUD=D4 leaped and markets are virtually pricing out the chance of a rate cut as Thursday's data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics showed 121,000 jobs were created in August. That was the largest rise since the series began in 1978 and dwarfed expectations for a 12,000 increase.

That's Good - well done

The jobless rate also surprised by falling back to 6.1 percent, so reversing most of July's unexpected jump to 6.4 percent. Most of the gains came in part-time jobs which surged 106,700, while more people went looking for work as the participation rate jumped to a 16-month peak of 65.2 percent.

Oh...an hour a week counts as a 'job' as introduced by Howard and maintained by Labor

Analysts cautioned the series was notoriously volatile and carried a lot of statistical noise, but even then the scale of the gains could not be ignored.

Volatile, and a lot of people working an hour or so a week?


"It's really an off-the scale result to get more than 100,000 jobs created against expectations of only about 10-15,000, and is clearly a very big upside surprise," said Stephen Walters, chief economist at JPMorgan.

Yes, off the scale.  We thought 10-15000 but in fact it was over 100,000!  Gee, I'd employ you to work out my economies of scale buster - you are a winner!

"It's always a bit difficult to track what's really going on in the labour market just looking at employment on its own, but when you look at the unemployment rate it's actually come all the way back down to 6.1 percent which is where we were a few months ago."

Oh - so it rose to from 6.1 to 6.4 then dropped again.  So we are back where we started.  Well Done Tone!    When it starts falling below 6.1 get back to me

July's spike in unemployment to a 12-year peak of 6.4 percent had caused a lot of hand-wringing at the time and much media talk of a sagging economy, and even recession.

A 12 year peak in unemployment in July?  More than under 6 years of Labor?  My My Tone - not a lot to earn a "toppie" icon there

Since then data has shown the economy grew a little faster than expected in the year to June at 3.1 percent, while retail sales and home building has been running firm.

Oh Good - you have put off a recession by yet another period.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:23pm: The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott. but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept.

"The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show."

"jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week?

Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?


("There's no way this economy created 121,000 jobs in the month" https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/)

A 'job' is officially anything from a Casual 2 hour stint: its an official employment.

Even 6 years ago, I remember guys travelling outside of Sydney for casual 'Farm-Hand' jobs because all their City jobs have been cut down to x1 day a week. By doing this, the Employers allow the Employee to sack themselves in frustration.
This still continues today and if you look around the Job-Site Searches: a large amount of jobs are no longer Full-Time ...even 'Careers' are finding it tough.

I wonder if Australia's 'Domestic Birthrate' has dropped this year ...what, with women forced to work and not have children - to appease the 'Economy'  :-?

one way of looking at this result is that the 6.4% of the last report was wrong and it was never that high.  a 0.3% rise and then fall in a few months sounds unlikely.

Swagman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/ Quote: The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years. The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show. The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July. The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration. The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists. Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... 8-) [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

11, 704,000 (6.1%) Employed in August.

6.1% multiplied by 16 = 97.6%

11,704,000 multiplied by 16 = 187,264,000 (workforce)

The total population of Australia in August was 23,593,129

This creates a problem in that the economists figures are total bullshit!

That doesn't include the jobs lost.... and please explain - what are these jobs?  Half an hour a week shuffling chips at MacFries?

All we hear is Radio Ga-Ga.. and it's full of stories of workers laid off and businesses closing..... propaganda machine in full swing and telling us that even though all those people lost jobs they actually all got jobs and more....

Yeah - I can see that.. every damned day.

How is the unemployment reduction in the Illawarra?  Down here the available jobs went down from 23 to 16 in a week.... most of them qualified to the max - accountant, chef, operator of this or that with ten tickets, experienced beer seller,  or are part-time sheila's work like book-keeping for which a bloke can apply but will get a laugh before a shuffle off to File 13..... maybe I could get a job as an Aboriginal Women's Advice Officer on Home Issues or something .. oops.. too many special requirements....

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:07pm: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/ Quote: The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years. The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show. The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July. The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration. The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists. Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... 8-) [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] 11, 704,000 (6.1%) Employed in August. 6.1% multiplied by 16 = 97.6% 11,704,000 multiplied by 16 = 187,264,000 (workforce) The total population of Australia in August was 23,593,129 This creates a problem in that the economists figures are total bullshit!

you are such a dunce.  6.1% is the UNEMPLOYED rate.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? ... another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

Get REAL !

The carbon "tax" and mineral tax have been gone - all of ten minutes

They haven't even got their first BUDGET through

What has this deceitful government done to cut unemployment figures ?




Consumer sentiment slumps as budget worries weigh

September 10, 2014

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/consumer-sentiment-slumps-as-budget-worries-weigh-20140910-10esvz.html#ixzz3D00nAbvs

The reality is that while governments love to say their policies are the reason for a decline in unemployment - they actually have little to no impact on unemployment at all other than with such things as the now discredited affirmative action etc that brought 40% more workers into the force from the early 1980's, thus creating a glut of workers and a de facto reduction in household incomes generally, while enhancing a few such - primarily of the Patriarchal society kind of no divorce or it's honour killing for you!  Apart from that - in our current guise as a Banana Republic - employment is way too reliant on world trade and other issues outside of Oz.

When we see a solid policy platform such as my GAIA concepts in motion - then we will see a government - the one that instituted the GAIA - being able to claim they lowered unemployment by a deliberate policy of national improvement.

Word for Today:-  Umemployment - Tony Abbott discussing jobs.

Vic wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Most of the gains came in part-time jobs which surged 106,700,

Exactly right. a vast majority of the jobs created were part time.
And under current Government definitions that can mean as little as an hour a week

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? ... another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. Get REAL ! The carbon "tax" and mineral tax have been gone - all of ten minutes They haven't even got their first BUDGET through What has this deceitful government done to cut unemployment figures ? Consumer sentiment slumps as budget worries weigh September 10, 2014 http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/consumer-sentiment-slumps-as-budget-worries-weigh-20140910-10esvz.html#ixzz3D00nAbvs

boofheads like you claimed Abbott was responsible for the debt, deficit and unemployment about three days after taking office.


so how's it feel???

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:38pm: Most of the gains came in part-time jobs which surged 106,700, Exactly right. a vast majority of the jobs created were part time. And under current Government definitions that can mean as little as an hour a week

but under labor those same part time jobs were 34.5 hrs/week right?

get over yourself.  what you are saying is absolute bunk.

Wait until the kids leave school and the Christmas job bubble bursts again...

These are called seasonal fluctuations..... even now local businesses are gearing up for Christmas and the warmer weather.....

No biggie either way... a historical view of the fluctuations will most likely coincide nicely with 'Tony's Rush Hour of Jobs'.. along the Road To Two Mill-yun Jobs!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 10:26pm: Vic wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:38pm: Most of the gains came in part-time jobs which surged 106,700, Exactly right. a vast majority of the jobs created were part time. And under current Government definitions that can mean as little as an hour a week but under labor those same part time jobs were 34.5 hrs/week right? get over yourself.  what you are saying is absolute bunk.

Counting someone employed if they do a few hours work a week is dodgy no matter who does it. Who introduced the criteria? That is what sucks. Unemployed should be counted as anyone working so few hours they can access Newstart Centrelink payments or whatever they are called today.

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Australia_employment_growth_12_months_to_January_2013.jpg

Swagman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/ Quote: The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years. The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show. The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July. The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration. The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists. Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... 8-) [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

They added that “even the ABS probably doesn’t believe it”. ROTFLMAO

Swagman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/ Quote: The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years. The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show. The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July. The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration. The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists. Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... 8-) [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

What about all the jobs that have been lost over the years. Thousands of them!

The number of full time jobs fell. Try paying your mortgage or rent on 15 hours work per week. Most part time workers are also on benefits because they don't earn enough to make ends meet. Nothing to brag about.

gotta love it...  unemployment rate up: abbot to blame.  unemployment down: dodgy data

you lot are a laugh

oh look, longy the cheerleaders back

http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg

Employment up, hours down, people registering for benefits up. Nothing to brag about.

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

oh look, longy the cheerleaders back http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg

so JS choose your position on this

1) the 6.4% of last month was wrong and it was actually 6.1% so all your criticisms were unjustified

- OR -

2) the Abbott govt has massively improved employment and the biggest drop in unemployment in 35 years.


they are your only two choices and both suck for you.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:04am: oh look, longy the cheerleaders back http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg so JS choose your position on this 1) the 6.4% of last month was wrong and it was actually 6.1% so all your criticisms were unjustified - OR - 2) the Abbott govt has massively improved employment and the biggest drop in unemployment in 35 years. they are your only two choices and both suck for you.

who says they are my only choices? you think the world revolves around what you say? I say the figures look dodgy and should be taken with a grain of salt ...  you really think we've had more jobs created in the last 4 weeks than in the last 12 months combined? pull your head out longy and put those pom poms down

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? ... another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. Get REAL ! The carbon "tax" and mineral tax have been gone - all of ten minutes The LibNats haven't even got their first BUDGET through What has this deceitful government done to cut unemployment figures ? Consumer sentiment slumps as budget worries weigh September 10, 2014 http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/consumer-sentiment-slumps-as-budget-worries-weigh-20140910-10esvz.html#ixzz3D00nAbvs

THE Australian Bureau of Statistics has come under fire after ­reporting the biggest monthly jump in employment in the 35 years of official records, with market economists slamming the figures as “unbelievable.”          

The August monthly labour force survey showed 121,000 jobs were created in four weeks, more than the economy had generated in the previous 12 months and ­almost 10 times more than the market was expecting. Almost 90 per cent of the new jobs were part-time.

Citigroup’s two chief economists, Josh Williamson and Paul Brennan, said: “We don’t believe the data.”    

They added that “even the ABS probably doesn’t believe it”.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/economists-slam-abs-over-wild-jobs-figures/story-e6frg6n6-1227055927133

Statistically significant: why the ABS cuts matter

6 Jun, 8:06 AM
   

Budget cuts at the Australian Bureau of Statistics might not seem like a big deal but compromising the scope and quality of our national statistics is a decision that should not be taken lightly.

These cuts highlight the short-sightedness of Australian politics, where immaterial budget savings are placed ahead of an organisation that plays a pivotal role in government decision-making and our economic well-being.

The ABS has failed to, as Prime Minister Tony Abbott might say, “live within its means” for years. Over the past three years it has accumulated deficits of $117 million, including $45.5m over the last financial year. Based on the current budget, the ABS must cut spending by $50m over the next three years.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/6/politics/statistically-significant-why-abs-cuts-matter

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:04am: oh look, longy the cheerleaders back http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg so JS choose your position on this 1) the 6.4% of last month was wrong and it was actually 6.1% so all your criticisms were unjustified - OR - 2) the Abbott govt has massively improved employment and the biggest drop in unemployment in 35 years. they are your only two choices and both suck for you. who says they are my only choices? you think the world revolves around what you say? I say the figures look dodgy and should be taken with a grain of salt ...  you really think we've had more jobs created in the last 4 weeks than in the last 12 months combined? pull your head out longy and put those pom poms down

they ARE the only two choices available.  they are either right or wrong.

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:35am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 7:54pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? ... another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. Get REAL ! The carbon "tax" and mineral tax have been gone - all of ten minutes They haven't even got their first BUDGET through What has this deceitful government done to cut unemployment figures ? Consumer sentiment slumps as budget worries weigh September 10, 2014 http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/consumer-sentiment-slumps-as-budget-worries-weigh-20140910-10esvz.html#ixzz3D00nAbvs THE Australian Bureau of Statistics has come under fire after ­reporting the biggest monthly jump in employment in the 35 years of official records, with market economists slamming the figures as “unbelievable.”           The August monthly labour force survey showed 121,000 jobs were created in four weeks, more than the economy had generated in the previous 12 months and ­almost 10 times more than the market was expecting. Almost 90 per cent of the new jobs were part-time. Citigroup’s two chief economists, Josh Williamson and Paul Brennan, said: “We don’t believe the data.”     They added that “even the ABS probably doesn’t believe it”. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/economists-slam-abs-over-wild-jobs-figures/story-e6frg6n6-1227055927133

so last months 6.4% was wrong as well when it was the HIGHEST jump in 12 years???? 

you really are rogue-poll, buzz or rogue-stat buzz.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:27pm: "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA you could always just make it up.  that's not beyond you Pedantry-Man

Struggling to come up with an answer, hey?

"jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week?

Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:27pm: "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA you could always just make it up.  that's not beyond you Pedantry-Man Struggling to come up with an answer, hey? "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?

you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.  that definition does not however imply that ANYONE is working one hour or the distribution of hours worked.  in fact, all it does is give wankers the opportunity to complain vociferously about something they know nothing about. Surely Pedantry-man would know all about words with super-wide definitions.  Perhaps you can use your super power to com up with a range of words to cover the range instead of just 'employed'.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:27pm: "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA you could always just make it up.  that's not beyond you Pedantry-Man Struggling to come up with an answer, hey? "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.  that definition does not however imply that ANYONE is working one hour or the distribution of hours worked.  in fact, all it does is give wankers the opportunity to complain vociferously about something they know nothing about. Surely Pedantry-man would know all about words with super-wide definitions.  Perhaps you can use your super power to com up with a range of words to cover the range instead of just 'employed'.

How many hours, on average, are these "jobs" providing each week?

I heard on the radio:


90% of these new jobs are part time.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

I heard on the radio: 90% of these new jobs are part time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI


"The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... "

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24964040/surprise-job-spike-drops-unemployment-rate/

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.

That's the official cop-out on providing jobs that pay their way.  How does one hour a week pay for the cost of bus fares to work?

That's not a job - it's slavery and imposition by a stupid government on those without the power to object, in that it enables that same government to punish any who refuse such nonsensical work.

A fairer rendition would be:-

Jobs offering 1-10 hours a week - xx% or yyy total.

Jobs offering 10-20 hours a week - aa% or bb total.

Jobs offering 20-30 hours a week - cc% or dd total.

Jobs offering 30-38 hours a week - ee% or ff total.

It's called HONESTY IN REPORTING.  Not just some shotgun blast to cover the savage deficiencies in work opportunities and life opportunities for the many.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:45am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:27pm: "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA you could always just make it up.  that's not beyond you Pedantry-Man Struggling to come up with an answer, hey? "jobs"?  That's full-time jobs?  38 hours per week? Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week? you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.  that definition does not however imply that ANYONE is working one hour or the distribution of hours worked.  in fact, all it does is give wankers the opportunity to complain vociferously about something they know nothing about. Surely Pedantry-man would know all about words with super-wide definitions.  Perhaps you can use your super power to com up with a range of words to cover the range instead of just 'employed'. How many hours, on average, are these "jobs" providing each week?

I don't know and neither do you.  and an average tells you nothing.  you need a distribution.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:49am: you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.  That's the official cop-out on providing jobs that pay their way.  How does one hour a week pay for the cost of bus fares to work? That's not a job - it's slavery and imposition by a stupid government on those without the power to object, in that it enables that same government to punish any who refuse such nonsensical work. A fairer rendition would be:- Jobs offering 1-10 hours a week - xx% or yyy total. Jobs offering 10-20 hours a week - aa% or bb total. Jobs offering 20-30 hours a week - cc% or dd total. Jobs offering 30-38 hours a week - ee% or ff total. It's called HONESTY IN REPORTING.  Not just some shotgun blast to cover the savage deficiencies in work opportunities and life opportunities for the many.

don't get so uppity.  that data is actually available I am sure.  the ABS does a whol lot more than say '6.1% unemployment' and then go back to partying for a month.  maybe you should enquire about it rather than whinge?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:59am: I heard on the radio: 90% of these new jobs are part time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI "The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... " https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24964040/surprise-job-spike-drops-unemployment-rate/

must really suit your basic distrust of... everything.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:02am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:59am: I heard on the radio: 90% of these new jobs are part time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnkJ8_BmSI "The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... " https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24964040/surprise-job-spike-drops-unemployment-rate/ must really suit your basic distrust of... everything.

"The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... "

I've NEVER been a great believer in this "polling" of 1000 odd people method to find the nations unemployed numbers

... but at LEAST - up until NOW - there has been a credible,  smooth calculation from one month to the next

The LATEST figures from the ABS have all the credibility of an Essential Research poll - or to paraphrase Longweekend58, a "rogue poll"

I feel pretty confident in predicting an "adjustment" from the ABS in the next round of statistics



Now, HERE'S a thought ...


http://proverbs31jewels.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bright_Idea.jpg


Hows about, every month, the government release the EASILY COLLATED numbers of Centrelink Newstart payments over a fort-night ( ... including PART payments)   plus the number of Newstart applications pending


THESE figures can't be FLAWED

Poll added

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 7:09pm: Swagman wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:07pm: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/ Quote: The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years. The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show. The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July. The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration. The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists. Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... 8-) [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] 11, 704,000 (6.1%) Employed in August. 6.1% multiplied by 16 = 97.6% 11,704,000 multiplied by 16 = 187,264,000 (workforce) The total population of Australia in August was 23,593,129 This creates a problem in that the economists figures are total bullshit! you are such a dunce.  6.1% is the UNEMPLOYED rate.

Typing correction. Unemployed.

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

I've NEVER been a great believer in this "polling" of 1000 odd people method to find the nations unemployed numbers ... but at LEAST - up until NOW - there has been a credible,  smooth calculation from one month to the next The LATEST figures from the ABS have all the credibility of an Essential Research poll - or to paraphrase Longweekend58, a "rogue poll" I feel pretty confident in predicting an "adjustment" from the ABS in the next round of statistics Now, HERE'S a thought ... http://proverbs31jewels.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bright_Idea.jpg Hows about, every month, the government release the EASILY COLLATED numbers of Centrelink Newstart payments over a fort-night ( ... including PART payments)   plus the number of Newstart applications pending THESE figures can't be FLAWED

dole payments don't reflect the number of unemployed.  if you lose your job and your spouse is working, you cannot claim the dole.  you are still unemployed.

Increase in jobs?

More like an increase in Unemployment Agencies as 'the jobs', that are just processing the Unemployed and 'Casuals'.

Yes there will be a fluctuation of the Holiday/Summer season as heaps of 'Newbies' will fill in the temporary Holiday jobs along the coasts and other Tourism dependent regions, while most other Employments just 'close down' for the Holidays.

I have been looking over all the 'different' Population Growth examples on the Net.

The most I can make out, by averaging out I guess is that Australia had a great Population Growth back in 1970 with both Domestic Birth Rate and Immigration. Then everything just slowly declines with some minor ups.

There was a real 'downer' after the year 2000 during the 'noughties'.
During ALP/Gillard - the population jumped a bit, but this was mostly due to immigration above that of a good domestic birthrate as well.

Now things are suddenly on the slide downward again.
This must be the typical Liberal effect that they like women working 'for their budget (to pay for Military toys)' rather than having babies at home.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:19am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:49am: you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.  That's the official cop-out on providing jobs that pay their way.  How does one hour a week pay for the cost of bus fares to work? That's not a job - it's slavery and imposition by a stupid government on those without the power to object, in that it enables that same government to punish any who refuse such nonsensical work. A fairer rendition would be:- Jobs offering 1-10 hours a week - xx% or yyy total. Jobs offering 10-20 hours a week - aa% or bb total. Jobs offering 20-30 hours a week - cc% or dd total. Jobs offering 30-38 hours a week - ee% or ff total. It's called HONESTY IN REPORTING.  Not just some shotgun blast to cover the savage deficiencies in work opportunities and life opportunities for the many. don't get so uppity.  that data is actually available I am sure.  the ABS does a whol lot more than say '6.1% unemployment' and then go back to partying for a month.  maybe you should enquire about it rather than whinge?

Perhaps you could do it for me instead of adhominem-ing like a twerp... since you have all the answers.

Now ask yourself again why I rarely bother to answer you.  I offer a solution - you call it whining.  What part of the arse end of the Universe do you come from?

I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to
those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about


2  million people unemployed.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:39am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:13am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:09am: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:04am: oh look, longy the cheerleaders back http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg so JS choose your position on this 1) the 6.4% of last month was wrong and it was actually 6.1% so all your criticisms were unjustified - OR - 2) the Abbott govt has massively improved employment and the biggest drop in unemployment in 35 years. they are your only two choices and both suck for you. who says they are my only choices? you think the world revolves around what you say? I say the figures look dodgy and should be taken with a grain of salt ...  you really think we've had more jobs created in the last 4 weeks than in the last 12 months combined? pull your head out longy and put those pom poms down they ARE the only two choices available.  they are either right or wrong.

only in your head .... i haven't made any comment about previous figures or future figures, my comment was on these figures ...

you can try and interpret them to mean whatever you like, but thats just more pom pom waving from the libs resident cheerleader

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2  million people unemployed.

If the Disability Support Pensioners are now "unemployed"
- why not add in those "unemployed" Aged Pensioners, as well ?

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:42am: I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2  million people unemployed. If the Disability Support Pensioners are now "unemployed" - why not add in those "unemployed" Aged Pensioners, as well ?

and don't forget spouses that don't work.

unemployed can only be those that WANT to work, CAN work but cant get jobs.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:43am: I've NEVER been a great believer in this "polling" of 1000 odd people method to find the nations unemployed numbers ... but at LEAST - up until NOW - there has been a credible,  smooth calculation from one month to the next The LATEST figures from the ABS have all the credibility of an Essential Research poll - or to paraphrase Longweekend58, a "rogue poll" I feel pretty confident in predicting an "adjustment" from the ABS in the next round of statistics Now, HERE'S a thought ... http://proverbs31jewels.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bright_Idea.jpg Hows about, every month, the government release the EASILY COLLATED numbers of Centrelink Newstart payments over a fort-night ( ... including PART payments)   plus the number of Newstart applications pending THESE figures can't be FLAWED dole payments don't reflect the number of unemployed.  if you lose your job and your spouse is working, you cannot claim the dole.  you are still unemployed.

Regardless of that micro demographic, it would HAVE to give a more accurate picture than a random "phone around"


I MEAN, new jobs at TEN TIMES market economists' predictions and expectations ?

When did THAT last happen ? 

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:54pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:42am: I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2  million people unemployed. If the Disability Support Pensioners are now "unemployed" - why not add in those "unemployed" Aged Pensioners, as well ? and don't forget spouses that don't work. unemployed can only be those that WANT to work, CAN work but cant get jobs.

Longy - you are naive -
you are forgetting that a lot of people who are unemployed
get the DSP by claiming to have a bad back or that they are crazy -
just to get enough money to live on as the dole is
way below the poverty line.

forgiven

namaste

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:56am: buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:43am: I've NEVER been a great believer in this "polling" of 1000 odd people method to find the nations unemployed numbers ... but at LEAST - up until NOW - there has been a credible,  smooth calculation from one month to the next The LATEST figures from the ABS have all the credibility of an Essential Research poll - or to paraphrase Longweekend58, a "rogue poll" I feel pretty confident in predicting an "adjustment" from the ABS in the next round of statistics Now, HERE'S a thought ... http://proverbs31jewels.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bright_Idea.jpg Hows about, every month, the government release the EASILY COLLATED numbers of Centrelink Newstart payments over a fort-night ( ... including PART payments)   plus the number of Newstart applications pending THESE figures can't be FLAWED dole payments don't reflect the number of unemployed.  if you lose your job and your spouse is working, you cannot claim the dole.  you are still unemployed. Regardless of that micro demographic, it would HAVE to give a more accurate picture than a random "phone around" I MEAN, new jobs at TEN TIMES market economists' predictions and expectations ? When did THAT last happen ?

unders a LIBERAL govt!!!!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

Now, if only Australians who WORK could share your "sunshine, loli-pops and rainbows" view of the economy through another two years of Abbott/Hokkeidian mismanagement



bogarde73 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

The national rate of inflation of 3 per cent a year means these workers' wages will effectively go backwards.

It is ONLY in times of dire economic outlook that workers will step forward to be SHAFTED by employers terms and conditions

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration.

Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:04am: oh look, longy the cheerleaders back http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg so JS choose your position on this 1) the 6.4% of last month was wrong and it was actually 6.1% so all your criticisms were unjustified - OR - 2) the Abbott govt has massively improved employment and the biggest drop in unemployment in 35 years. they are your only two choices and both suck for you.

Your logical fallacy is black-or-white

Quote:

You presented two alternative states as the only possibilities, when in fact more possibilities exist. Also known as the false dilemma, this insidious tactic has the appearance of forming a logical argument, but under closer scrutiny it becomes evident that there are more possibilities than the either/or choice that is presented. Binary, black-or-white thinking doesn't allow for the many different variables, conditions, and contexts in which there would exist more than just the two possibilities put forth. It frames the argument misleadingly and obscures rational, honest debate.

Other possibilities:
* Last month's 6.4% figures were accurate and the current figures are an aberration.
* Both sets of figures are an aberration and the actual figures lie somewhere in the middle.

More possibilities also exist.

Bam wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth.

Don't confuse him, just the other day he was banging on about it being Labors fault for the highest unemployment in 10 year figures because of a "trickle effect", that only works for unemployment figures naturally  :)

The unemployment surveys involve a bit more than 1000 people surveyed. More like 45,000.

No matter, the last two figures are a bit suss, but 120K part time jobs is unrealistic.

Regardless—unemployment is now over 6% and is going to go higher not lower and that is the real reason for the crap about the level of threat being raised and monkey jonesing to join a war, any war to distract from economic mismanagement.

Poll: my answer would be neither or either.

The poll method is unreliable based on sample size and honesty in answering and the unemployment stats only cover those who register or are applicable to making a claim.

As long as the approach is consistent the numbers resulting normally produce a good idea of the current trend which is about all the stat is any good for providing.

What we currently do in normally adequate to map any change even though the final result is normally almost meaningless. The last 2 months seem to possibly be the one exception in my life memory which is a significant worry if employment really is that unstable at present - the best outcome would be for it to end up being an rogue poll or driven by some type of error / related to staff cuts etc.

If it is genuine we are in a mountain of trouble.

Sample size of 40K+ should be fine. Something else is behind the erratic figures.

Re growth in unemployment—this started with the fairly massive fiscal consolidation (cutting spending) trying to get a surplus. The cutting Abbott is doing is going to result in much more unemployment and recession. The reasons are simple—the labor market is fragile and the household sector is still heavily indebted. We get a recession watch out for house prices collapsing which will see the private sector cut spending even further.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2  million people unemployed.

From a population of 23 Million we have about 11 Million employed with 5 Million under 15 and 4.8 Million over 65.

Which leaves about 4 Million working aged people not working if you count it that way.

Not saying this means anything.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:42am: I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2  million people unemployed. From a population of 23 Million we have about 11 Million employed with 5 Million under 15 and 4.8 Million over 65. Which leaves about 4 Million working aged people not working if you count it that way. Not saying this means anything.

23 -11 - 5 - 4.8  = 2.2 million unemployed.


but then you have to subtract those still at school & university or TAFE.

Bam wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth.

which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth. which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

dont you love the way the lefties believe all the charts and figures.. like the latest on who stopped the boats!!!!!!!! of course it was krudd.... ::) ::)

the moment the figures favour the Libs.. they are all wrong and confused....we know...its amazing how it happen every time..

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:11am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:50am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:42am: I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2  million people unemployed. From a population of 23 Million we have about 11 Million employed with 5 Million under 15 and 4.8 Million over 65. Which leaves about 4 Million working aged people not working if you count it that way. Not saying this means anything. 23 -11 - 5 - 4.8  = 2.2 million unemployed. but then you have to subtract those still at school & university or TAFE.

Whoops -  2 + 2 = 3.

have to subtract those still at school & university or TAFE

I figure a lot of them work as well and it also balances against those still working over 65.

The point is - as we all know - the figures are rubbery as hell and designed to serve the government in place.

Put simply - it is all lies.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

The point is - as we all know - the figures are rubbery as hell and designed to serve the government in place. Put simply - it is all lies.

Politicians don't lie:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth. which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

;D ;D ;D

good attempt at backpeddling longie, but not good enough .. i noticed you cut out half or Bams quote Why is that? like has been said, there are many reasons for the figures .....

at this stage  you simply haven't got enough information to determine which figure is wrong or even that it is wrong, so stop making sh1t up

Electoral poll—about 1000 sample, sometimes about 1800.

Jobs survey—over 40,000 sample.

Rather different margins of error!

And no poll has Abbott in Front = #OneTermTony and he will be lucky not to be bumped off before the next election  :)

what you clowns fail to understand is that the unemployment rate is not even claiming to be a totally accurate figure but a trend point.  is the true state of unemployment 6.1%  Don't know, but most importantly, it doesn't matter either.  unemployment figures are only of any value as part of a data series that allows you to define TRENDS.  over the past 3 years unemployment has been trending upwards at a consistent rate.  what we know from that is simply that: that it is increasing at a defined rate.  we can calculate the trend but not the absolute numbers.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:

what you clowns fail to understand is that the unemployment rate is not even claiming to be a totally accurate figure but a trend point.  is the true state of unemployment 6.1%  Don't know, but most importantly, it doesn't matter either.  unemployment figures are only of any value as part of a data series that allows you to define TRENDS.  over the past 3 years unemployment has been trending upwards at a consistent rate.  what we know from that is simply that: that it is increasing at a defined rate.  we can calculate the trend but not the absolute numbers.

over the past 3 years unemployment has been trending upwards at a consistent rate.


Wrong - it was fairly constant during most of 2012. Low of 4.9% in April but the year started at 5.2% - High of 5.4% Sept when the government changed in Sept 2013 the rate was at 5.6%

That is a variation in 2012 of 0.3% but it was 5.2% the previous September or 0.2% variation and the 12 months prior to the 2013 election from 5.4% to 5.6% - 0.2%

This Liberal term 1st year it has gone between 5.6% and 6.4% - 0.8%

Sep 2011/12        0.2%
Sep 2012 /13       0.2%
Sep 2013/14        0.8%

The trend has not been consistent - it has increased by 400% this year.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 4:50pm: what you clowns fail to understand is that the unemployment rate is not even claiming to be a totally accurate figure but a trend point.  is the true state of unemployment 6.1%  Don't know, but most importantly, it doesn't matter either.  unemployment figures are only of any value as part of a data series that allows you to define TRENDS.  over the past 3 years unemployment has been trending upwards at a consistent rate.  what we know from that is simply that: that it is increasing at a defined rate.  we can calculate the trend but not the absolute numbers. over the past 3 years unemployment has been trending upwards at a consistent rate. Wrong - it was fairly constant during most of 2012. Low of 4.9% in April but the year started at 5.2% - High of 5.4% Sept when the government changed in Sept 2013 the rate was at 5.6% That is a variation in 2012 of 0.3% but it was 5.2% the previous September or 0.2% variation and the 12 months prior to the 2013 election from 5.4% to 5.6% - 0.2% This Liberal term 1st year it has gone between 5.6% and 6.4% - 0.8% Sep 2011/12        0.2% Sep 2012 /13       0.2% Sep 2013/14        0.8% The trend has not been consistent - it has increased by 400% this year.

nope.  youa re wrong as the graph shows.

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Wow - that graph tells it all - even with all the fake figures used

to hide the unemployed it's rising fast under Abbott -

the one term PM.

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Abbott has cut funding the the ABS to such a point that now their stats are utterly worthless

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

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with iron ore and coal prices dropping we have real problems.

Those problems are exacerbated by monkey and Hokey, Sprint.

If they decide to do away with the RET we will have 7% unemployment this month!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN

and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie ....

looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down?

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Those problems are exacerbated by monkey and Hokey, Sprint. If they decide to do away with the RET we will have 7% unemployment this month!

Double digit unemployment by the time we kick these idiots out

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie .... looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down?

clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie .... looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down? clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you.

and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph  ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:33pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie .... looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down? clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you. and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph  ;D ;D ;D ;D

IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst.  I have NEVER said unemployment is going down.  In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate.

if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has.

I did actually and physics.  but it is hardly a difficulty to fit a straight line to this graph and see that it FITS.  now if you wish to criticise my maths or the graph then please do so but don't wave around a crappy unverified claim of university maths you probably undertook 50 years ago

I would suggest, there are valid reasons for the phrase, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics", particularly Government Statistics and that applies to the Left, Right & Centre, of Politics!

That said, the Employment stats of the last 2 months, are clearly not just incorrect, they are substantially incorrect!

We can only but HOPE that the system is realigned, so the figures start to show something a little closer to Reality?

A good example of how wrong Government Stats can be, is demonstrated in the following chart -
http://shadowstats.com/imgs/charts/alt-unemployment-mini.gif
The above chart  & other information is available at John
Williams Shadow Government Statistics, which is US based.
http://www.shadowstats.com/

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

I would suggest, there are valid reasons for the phrase, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics", particularly Government Statistics and that applies to the Left, Right & Centre, of Politics! That said, the Employment stats of the last 2 months, are clearly not just incorrect, they are substantially incorrect! We can only but HOPE that the system is realigned, so the figures start to show something a little closer to Reality? A good example of how wrong Government Stats can be, is demonstrated in the following chart - http://shadowstats.com/imgs/charts/alt-unemployment-mini.gif The above chart  & other information is available at John Williams Shadow Government Statistics, which is US based. http://www.shadowstats.com/

another Prozac_now post that is off topic and wearing a tinfoil-hat.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:41pm: I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has. I did actually and physics.  but it is hardly a difficulty to fit a straight line to this graph and see that it FITS.  now if you wish to criticise my maths or the graph then please do so but don't wave around a crappy unverified claim of university maths you probably undertook 50 years ago

Touch under 50 years ago.

Unemployment is accelerating. Be exponential soon, Longy and you will no doubt argue the exponential curve is approximately linear.

:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:43pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:41pm: I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has. I did actually and physics.  but it is hardly a difficulty to fit a straight line to this graph and see that it FITS.  now if you wish to criticise my maths or the graph then please do so but don't wave around a crappy unverified claim of university maths you probably undertook 50 years ago Touch under 50 years ago. Unemployment is accelerating. Be exponential soon, Longy and you will no doubt argue the exponential curve is approximately linear. :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

you clearly either learned little or forget what you did.  the graph I showed had unemployment growth at PRECISELY linear - a term you seem to have forgotten.  and the likelihood is that the trend has in fact turned DOWNWARDS.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want.


Quote:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating

That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want. Quote: Yup, the trend has been accelerating That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

not a lot that you understand about graphs and statistics, is there?  there has been a straight-line trend in upward unemployment for nearly 3 years - most of it under labor.  you may not like it or even understand it, but it still remains true.  and the only idiot that thinks the trend is accelerating is a person with either no skill or no intellectual honesty.

quite simply,  you are just lying.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want. Quote: Yup, the trend has been accelerating That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

it is you that is after illusion.  you want a chart that says labor kept unemployment low and it only increased under Abbott.  not even your pitiful retelling of statistics can't manufacture that fantasy.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/labor-view.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright. http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/labor-view.jpg

then feel free to draw what YOU think is the trend line. 

this should be good...

No, the stupid attempt to go for a surplus boosted unemployment. What monkey, Hokey and the rest of the shambles are doing will accelerate that. Since we are not sure just what the unemployment rate is for the last two months lets not get too dogmatic eh?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:33pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie .... looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down? clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you. and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph  ;D ;D ;D ;D IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst.  I have NEVER said unemployment is going down.  In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate. if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

creating arguments against your own stupidity now?  I've highlighted what I said for your benefit ..

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:15pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want. Quote: Yup, the trend has been accelerating That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014. it is you that is after illusion.  you want a chart that says labor kept unemployment low and it only increased under Abbott.  not even your pitiful retelling of statistics can't manufacture that fantasy.

I never held that opinion. However it was relatively stable for most of the term your 3 year of constant upward trending is clearly not shown on your graph.

You have failed to include 2011/2012 in your 3 year trend ?  over that period it was relatively flat, increasing slightly in 2012/13 and accelerating in 2013/14. If you go back the full Labor term you see it starting low - bumping up slightly at the beginning of the GFC and coming back down with the stimulus then remaining relatively stable till 2013.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth. which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

What about this then?


longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright. http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/labor-view.jpg then feel free to draw what YOU think is the trend line.  this should be good...

Your lines start over 12 months after you said they should (3 years of upward trend is clearly not correct.) ?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright. http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/labor-view.jpg then feel free to draw what YOU think is the trend line.  this should be good... Your lines start over 12 months after you said they should (3 years of upward trend is clearly not correct.) ?

its ok, longie studied maths and physics at uni  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright. http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/labor-view.jpg then feel free to draw what YOU think is the trend line.  this should be good...

That's easy - the trend is upwards - to more unemployment.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

I have NEVER said unemployment is going down.  In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate. if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

Oh, really?


longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

Abbott promised to create one million jobs in five years ...  ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:51pm:

with iron ore and coal prices dropping we have real problems.

Quote:

The Singleton Chamber of Commerce said mass layoffs in Hunter Valley’s mining sector have left the region reeling, with business conditions at an all-time low. Figures for May show unemployment in the Hunter has jumped 9.2 per cent, a rise of more than 3 per cent from the same corresponding period last year. The Australian Bureau of Statistics data shows more than 4000 jobs have been lost in the region. Mining jobs have been the hardest hit as thousands of coal workers faced the sack over the last six months. More than 500 jobs were slashed from the Integra coal complex, which includes the Camberwell open-cut and Glennies Creek underground mines. While jobs have also been cut from Anglo’s Drayton mine, Rio Tinto’s Mount Thorley Warkworth, and the BHP-run My Arthur Coal mine. Companies servicing the industry have also been forced to pair back, with Sandvik cutting jobs at its Heatherbrae manufacturing and support facility. With many businesses in the region relying on mining money to survive, some say they have never seen sentiment in the Hunter so low, ABC reported. "I've never seen it this bad and I talk to people that are actually retired and they've never seen it this bad either,"  Singleton Chamber of Commerce Ryan Fitzpatrick said. "The last couple of weeks has been a real strain on the region." Fitzpatrick said the job losses are having an “incredible” effect on spending. "We're seeing it in the towns of Singleton and Muswellbrook it's just quieter than normal,” he said. "Speaking to people here at the moment everyone is a bit sort of concerned. "A lack of decisions, what are they going to do not only for themselves in their employment but also for their families." With coal prices expected to dip further, the news is not looking to get  much better in region over the short-term. Bank of America Merrill Lynch analysts said to expect more thermal coal price cuts this year. Prices have halved since 2011 and are down almost 70 per cent on peaks reached in 2008. Prices for premium hard-coking coal fell to $US120 a tonne in the June quarter from $US330 a tonne in 2011. Thermal coal is sitting at $US72 a tonne on the spot market, a fall from $US125 in 2011. Coal mines in NSW employed 21,953 workers last September, down from a peak of nearly 25,000 in June 2012 as miners move to readjust their workforces to pre-broom numbers.

http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/i-ve-never-seen-it-this-bad-coal-job-losses-hurt-h

We have some big problems on the horizon.
While I doubt that what anyone here says will help, trying to prove someone else wrong will not help.

Quote:

BHP mulls 3000 iron ore job cuts. More than 500 jobs have already been chopped from BHP’s iron ore division in recent months, including 100 from the resources giant’s iron ore headquarters in Perth as well as 170 positions made redundant at its Mt Whaleback mine in the Pilbara. …Sources say significantly greater cuts are expected as a result of a broader review conducted by management consulting firm McKinsey and Company, which has been examining BHP’s iron ore business in detail. McKinsey reports are understood to have recommended BHP shed up to 20 per cent of its WA workforce, or more than 3000 positions, in an effort to reduce costs to the level of major rival Rio Tinto on a per-tonne basis.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/06/bhp-mulls-3000-iron-ore-job-cuts/

other iron ore companies are in the same predicament.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 7:38pm: I would suggest, there are valid reasons for the phrase, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics", particularly Government Statistics and that applies to the Left, Right & Centre, of Politics! That said, the Employment stats of the last 2 months, are clearly not just incorrect, they are substantially incorrect! We can only but HOPE that the system is realigned, so the figures start to show something a little closer to Reality? A good example of how wrong Government Stats can be, is demonstrated in the following chart - http://shadowstats.com/imgs/charts/alt-unemployment-mini.gif The above chart  & other information is available at John Williams Shadow Government Statistics, which is US based. http://www.shadowstats.com/ another Prozac_now post that is off topic and wearing a tinfoil-hat.

Actually, my post was on topic Longy, I simply pointed out that the assumption of the topic was incorrect, because Government stats, from all Political Party's, are full of half or fully baked lies &/or distortions.

John Williams clearly demonstrates that there are "discrepancies" in his Shadow Government Statistics chart & website!

But, as usual, due to your problems with the 4 R's  -
Reading
wRiting
aRithmetic
& compRehension
you fail to pick up on many things that are otherwise obvious, because they don't agree with your "beliefs".

Cheer up Longy?
And, have a nice day now, ya hear?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

Quote: BHP mulls 3000 iron ore job cuts. More than 500 jobs have already been chopped from BHP’s iron ore division in recent months, including 100 from the resources giant’s iron ore headquarters in Perth as well as 170 positions made redundant at its Mt Whaleback mine in the Pilbara. …Sources say significantly greater cuts are expected as a result of a broader review conducted by management consulting firm McKinsey and Company, which has been examining BHP’s iron ore business in detail. McKinsey reports are understood to have recommended BHP shed up to 20 per cent of its WA workforce, or more than 3000 positions, in an effort to reduce costs to the level of major rival Rio Tinto on a per-tonne basis. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/06/bhp-mulls-3000-iron-ore-job-cuts/ other iron ore companies are in the same predicament.

They got too fat in the resources boom, this was always going to be the result in the end.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:51pm: with iron ore and coal prices dropping we have real problems. Quote: The Singleton Chamber of Commerce said mass layoffs in Hunter Valley’s mining sector have left the region reeling, with business conditions at an all-time low. Figures for May show unemployment in the Hunter has jumped 9.2 per cent, a rise of more than 3 per cent from the same corresponding period last year. The Australian Bureau of Statistics data shows more than 4000 jobs have been lost in the region. Mining jobs have been the hardest hit as thousands of coal workers faced the sack over the last six months. More than 500 jobs were slashed from the Integra coal complex, which includes the Camberwell open-cut and Glennies Creek underground mines. While jobs have also been cut from Anglo’s Drayton mine, Rio Tinto’s Mount Thorley Warkworth, and the BHP-run My Arthur Coal mine. Companies servicing the industry have also been forced to pair back, with Sandvik cutting jobs at its Heatherbrae manufacturing and support facility. With many businesses in the region relying on mining money to survive, some say they have never seen sentiment in the Hunter so low, ABC reported. "I've never seen it this bad and I talk to people that are actually retired and they've never seen it this bad either,"  Singleton Chamber of Commerce Ryan Fitzpatrick said. "The last couple of weeks has been a real strain on the region." Fitzpatrick said the job losses are having an “incredible” effect on spending. "We're seeing it in the towns of Singleton and Muswellbrook it's just quieter than normal,” he said. "Speaking to people here at the moment everyone is a bit sort of concerned. "A lack of decisions, what are they going to do not only for themselves in their employment but also for their families." With coal prices expected to dip further, the news is not looking to get  much better in region over the short-term. Bank of America Merrill Lynch analysts said to expect more thermal coal price cuts this year. Prices have halved since 2011 and are down almost 70 per cent on peaks reached in 2008. Prices for premium hard-coking coal fell to $US120 a tonne in the June quarter from $US330 a tonne in 2011. Thermal coal is sitting at $US72 a tonne on the spot market, a fall from $US125 in 2011. Coal mines in NSW employed 21,953 workers last September, down from a peak of nearly 25,000 in June 2012 as miners move to readjust their workforces to pre-broom numbers. http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/i-ve-never-seen-it-this-bad-coal-job-losses-hurt-h We have some big problems on the horizon. While I doubt that what anyone here says will help, trying to prove someone else wrong will not help.

I agree!

As I have written recently, in the following post & others, we are facing some very difficult times & whether Labor or Liberal are in power, will only make small variations at the margins, whilst the real crunch will still be experienced, anyway!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1277536490/1073#1073

Yup, with coal exports declining as countries move to cut emissions or due to economic concerns monkey rescinds the carbon price and might still rescind the RET. Bit out of step, wot?

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:41pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:33pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie .... looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down? clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you. and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph  ;D ;D ;D ;D IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst.  I have NEVER said unemployment is going down.  In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate. if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID. creating arguments against your own stupidity now?  I've highlighted what I said for your benefit ..

why do you think what YOU said is correct?  you've already indicated multiple times that you have no idea about statistics.

you do understand Longie that it takes a little more than just you saying so, for something to be true?

You're an idiot, just face up to it and move on

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:15pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:46pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:34pm: Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date. Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment? We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year. Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want. Quote: Yup, the trend has been accelerating That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014. it is you that is after illusion.  you want a chart that says labor kept unemployment low and it only increased under Abbott.  not even your pitiful retelling of statistics can't manufacture that fantasy. I never held that opinion. However it was relatively stable for most of the term your 3 year of constant upward trending is clearly not shown on your graph. You have failed to include 2011/2012 in your 3 year trend ?  over that period it was relatively flat, increasing slightly in 2012/13 and accelerating in 2013/14. If you go back the full Labor term you see it starting low - bumping up slightly at the beginning of the GFC and coming back down with the stimulus then remaining relatively stable till 2013.

can you not read a graph???  take a look again.  the climb up starts around march 2012 and has continued for around 2.5 years since at a steady rate.  pretending otherwise makes you sound like green-snot.  and since we know that last months 6.4% was probably wrong, the actual trend is not to SLOW down the rate of increase.

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:17am: Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth. which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason. What about this then? longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

if you don't understanding mocking irony then that is not my problem,

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:28am:

you do understand Longie that it takes a little more than just you saying so, for something to be true? You're an idiot, just face up to it and move on

you only have to read a graph.. it isn't that hard.

We know the last two points on the graph are suss.

What the shambles are doing has destroyed confidence and directly increased unemployment. I do believe unemployment is now over 6% and accelerating, thanks to “Onya Abbott.”

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:35am:

We know the last two points on the graph are suss. What the shambles are doing has destroyed confidence and directly increased unemployment. I do believe unemployment is now over 6% and accelerating, thanks to “Onya Abbott.”

you can believe whatever you want but it will be based on nothing but your delusions.  just as you have no idea of the difference between linear and exponential, you also have no idea of the difference between constantn trend and slowing trend.

unemployment growth rate is slowing.

No way is the rate of unemployment growth slowing!

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:31am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:28am: you do understand Longie that it takes a little more than just you saying so, for something to be true? You're an idiot, just face up to it and move on you only have to read a graph.. it isn't that hard.

I'm not the one cherry picking two numbers of many on that graph, that you've previously admitted are faulty, and concluding a trend based on those two numbers .... only an idiot would do that !

wait a minute, that was you  ;D ;D ;D ;D

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

No way is the rate of unemployment growth slowing!

in your mind that is obviously true, but then again you thinkn the oridinal NBN could be finished by Christmas for $149,99 while the turnball NBN will cost $300B

you are a joke - and a bad one.

Abbotts got the right idea..starve the ABS of funds so now they have no idea of what the unemployment stats are  ;D

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

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longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep.

i see unemployment going up edit

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:46am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:40am: No way is the rate of unemployment growth slowing! in your mind that is obviously true, but then again you thinkn the oridinal NBN could be finished by Christmas for $149,99 while the turnball NBN will cost $300B you are a joke - and a bad one.

I have pointed out that all the bits of selfserving paper Turncoat has commissioned show FTTH is feasible and economically possible. I have tried to estimate the cost of FTTN+HFC taking into account the cost of acquiring, auditing, remediating the copper, maintaining the copper and powering the nodes.

All those bits of paper, the “Strategic Review” the so–called “CBA” do NOT take into consideration the above costs and STILL cannot show FTTN is significantly cheaper than FTTH. YOU may wish to believe lies and the charlatans that spin lies, I don’t.

I gave a detailed account of my estimate for FTTN/HFC, you, wisely but cowardly, did not dispute any of my figures and reasoning. Now you seek to disparage me by quoting double the worst figure I worked out.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst.  I have NEVER said unemployment is going down.  In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate. if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

OK


longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

and


longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept

but wait, there's more


longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

unemployment down: dodgy data

your problem longie is that you pump out the crap so fast that even you have no idea what you said  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:41pm: IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst.  I have NEVER said unemployment is going down.  In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate. if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID. OK longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. and longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:33pm: but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept but wait, there's more longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:57am: unemployment down: dodgy data your problem longie is that you pump out the crap so fast that even you have no idea what you said  ;D ;D

You can set your watch by the back flips and turn abouts   :D

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:17am: Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth. which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason. What about this then? longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. if you don't understanding mocking irony then that is not my problem,

If you have a reputation for posting lies and bullshit then it IS your problem.

You also posted this:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:23pm: The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott. but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept.

You VERY CLEARLY have said in multiple posts that the unemployment rate "dropped", and your denials are ludicrous.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep.

(See post for "chart")

You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't.

Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. (See post for "chart") You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't. Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

That is how the non–existent pause in AGW got promoted, chop off start and end points as not fitting the “pause.”

Unemployment has at least one, probably two (the last two) suss data points so relying on the graph is folly—thought Longy with his stats knowledge would have known that.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep.

Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month?

Has someone identified what happened ?

If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on.

You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified.

For a start Abbotts cuts to funding of the ABS has meant a dramatic decrease in the people surveyed and responding when it comes to employment stats.
That alone changes the figures

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about  people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.   8-)  8-) 8-)  Good signs!  8-) 8-) 8-)

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. i see unemployment going up edit

slowing down of the RATE OF INCREASE...  how do such otherwise simple concepts elude you?

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:29am: Bam wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:48pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:17am: Bam wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration. Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth. which is PRECISELY what I have been saying.  I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria.  I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades.  from time to time you see this sort of thing happening.  a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason. What about this then? longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:22pm: So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration??? just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor. if you don't understanding mocking irony then that is not my problem, If you have a reputation for posting lies and bullshit then it IS your problem. You also posted this: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:33pm: Its time wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 3:23pm: The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott. but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept. You VERY CLEARLY have said in multiple posts that the unemployment rate "dropped", and your denials are ludicrous.

in the last month that is unequivocably true or do you wish to content that 6.1 is NOT less than 6.4???  as far as trends are concerned however, the best you can say is that it represents a small drop in the RATE OF INCREASE.

now, go ahead and disagree with that (which you will of course)

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. (See post for "chart") You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't. Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

they are BEST FIT lines.  but as I challenged you before, if you don't like it then draw your own best fit line and then tell me why it is different to mine.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Bam wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. (See post for "chart") You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't. Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points. That is how the non–existent pause in AGW got promoted, chop off start and end points as not fitting the “pause.” Unemployment has at least one, probably two (the last two) suss data points so relying on the graph is folly—thought Longy with his stats knowledge would have known that.

they didn't drop of te END POINT you boofhead. the pause in warming is STILL continuing.

you didn't really go to university, did you?

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month? Has someone identified what happened ? If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on. You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified.

okay 2.5 years.  happy now?  YOUR idiotic point was that there was no increase in unemployment under labor from mar 2012 onwards which is provably wrong, but you stuck to it.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about  people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.   8-)  8-) 8-)  Good signs!  8-) 8-) 8-)

backpackers???

you are an idiot.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm: I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about  people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.   8-)  8-) 8-)  Good signs!  8-) 8-) 8-) backpackers??? you are an idiot.

You are!   ;D ;D ;D

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:07pm: gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm: I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about  people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.   8-)  8-) 8-)  Good signs!  8-) 8-) 8-) backpackers??? you are an idiot. You are!   ;D ;D ;D

if you listened to a bit more than the voices in your head you migh see how silly the above it.  if you had ever read history, you would also see how silly you sound.  instead... you just sound silliier and sillier

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:05pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:12am: Bam wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. (See post for "chart") You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't. Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points. That is how the non–existent pause in AGW got promoted, chop off start and end points as not fitting the “pause.” Unemployment has at least one, probably two (the last two) suss data points so relying on the graph is folly—thought Longy with his stats knowledge would have known that. they didn't drop of te END POINT you boofhead. the pause in warming is STILL continuing. you didn't really go to university, did you?

mmmmm...lets just assume that you did a simple arts degree in uni...aboriginal woman's studies maybe?
Coz the warming trend has not paused..check out what is happening to the planets largest heat sink...the oceans.
Anyway... Abbott, Barnaby and Hockey are living proof that getting a degree is no guarantee of intelligence.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:20pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:07pm: gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm: I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about  people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.   8-)  8-) 8-)  Good signs!  8-) 8-) 8-) backpackers??? you are an idiot. You are!   ;D ;D ;D if you listened to a bit more than the voices in your head you migh see how silly the above it.  if you had ever read history, you would also see how silly you sound.  instead... you just sound silliier and sillier

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching. It was the birth of modern democracy. The one before was called "reformation" around 500 years ago. Just a different name. In both cases the people were standing up to the greedy, fat Vatican and royal/upper class that was ripping off/taxing and controlling Europeans all over the continent.

It takes around 250 years for Pluto to circle the sun. Everytime Pluto moves into Capricorn/aquarius, we have a major revolution. That is accurate for the last two revolutions and some astrologists claim that every pluto cycle beforehand triggered a similar scenario. Now, in 2008 Pluto moved into Capricorn, that's when the financial crash started. Pluto will stay in Capricorn until 2022 when it moves into aquarius. We will see the next big one-in-a-quarter millenium-people's revolution within the next decades, but it may start within a few years.  8-) Every revolution in the past was about inequality. And we're exactly in the same situation as we were before the French revolution and before the reformation. The Vatican and Royal/upper class absolutely ripping off and controlling the common people.  

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:54am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. i see unemployment going up edit slowing down of the RATE OF INCREASE...  how do such otherwise simple concepts elude you?

it wasn't me saying unemployment was going down .... who was that now? wait a minute, it was you .... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about  people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.   8-)  8-) 8-)  Good signs!  8-) 8-) 8-)

I guess that means they are all going to get real jobs and start paying the lion's share of tax.   :-?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/pork-on-the-wing.jpg

Revolution in Australia means the common, landless people are taking the land back from the filthy, greedy, mega rich land owners. It means people are getting more self sufficient again. It means people will flee the cities and move to the land, because there is no more food in the cities/suburbs...Whole suburbs will become ghost towns...It means medicare/age pension/centrelink will be bankrupt/closed down and people just have to look after themselves and their families. It means government is going to be reduced massively. It means more localization instead of centralization.

And it means civil war and plenty of fighting between the common people and the legionnaires (government police and army)...

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:28am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month? Has someone identified what happened ? If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on. You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified. okay 2.5 years.  happy now?  YOUR idiotic point was that there was no increase in unemployment under labor from mar 2012 onwards which is provably wrong, but you stuck to it.

I never said that - it is obvious that there was - I said that your 3 year claim was wrong and pointed out that unemployment has only increased under the Liberals.

I said that under Labor unemployment numbers were relatively stable. They dropped to a low of 4.1% and increased during the GFC 2008 to around 5.8% the stimulus quickly seen the numbers drop back to around 5.1% by 2010 and they stayed similar through to 2012 5.1% (that is 4.1% record low in 2008 and at 5.1% in 2012) the second half of 2013 seen it go to around 5.8% and the Liberals have only gone backwards with a range between 5.8% and 6.4%. - now at 6.1 due to 100,000 part time jobs.

Over the previous 2 terms 6 years we got through a GFC with about a 1% impact on unemployment and so far the Liberals have managed almost the same in 12 months.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Revolution in Australia means the common, landless people are taking the land back from the filthy, greedy, mega rich land owners

....and then you'd be a filthy, greedy, mega rich land owner as well  ;D

Well...if Abbott is going to spend taxpayers dollars overseas rather than on local goods and services we're gonna lose even more jobs.

Fancy that...take the money we all worked hard to earn and then hand it to overseas businesses rather than putting it back into our economy.

Yep...thats Abbotts grand plan.

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Revolution in Australia means the common, landless people are taking the land back from the filthy, greedy, mega rich land owners. It means people are getting more self sufficient again. It means people will flee the cities and move to the land, because there is no more food in the cities/suburbs...Whole suburbs will become ghost towns...It means medicare/age pension/centrelink will be bankrupt/closed down and people just have to look after themselves and their families. It means government is going to be reduced massively. It means more localization instead of centralization. And it means civil war and plenty of fighting between the common people and the legionnaires (government police and army)...

describing you as a M O R O N is too polite.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:06pm: Dnarever wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:28am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:53am: Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see?  a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt. look and weep. Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month? Has someone identified what happened ? If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on. You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified. okay 2.5 years.  happy now?  YOUR idiotic point was that there was no increase in unemployment under labor from mar 2012 onwards which is provably wrong, but you stuck to it. I never said that - it is obvious that there was - I said that your 3 year claim was wrong and pointed out that unemployment has only increased under the Liberals. I said that under Labor unemployment numbers were relatively stable. They dropped to a low of 4.1% and increased during the GFC 2008 to around 5.8% the stimulus quickly seen the numbers drop back to around 5.1% by 2010 and they stayed similar through to 2012 5.1% (that is 4.1% record low in 2008 and at 5.1% in 2012) the second half of 2013 seen it go to around 5.8% and the Liberals have only gone backwards with a range between 5.8% and 6.4%. - now at 6.1 due to 100,000 part time jobs. Over the previous 2 terms 6 years we got through a GFC with about a 1% impact on unemployment and so far the Liberals have managed almost the same in 12 months.

you are incapable of read a graph.  most of the above is transparent nonsense.  unemployment began its steady rise 18months BEFORE abbott a fact only a fool could deny.  the rate of increase has remained steady - not increased.  it looks like it may have now peaked.  but if I wanted to get even more pedantic, it is well known among economiss that employment is a slow LAGGING indicator where policy changes take a bout a year to affect unemployment.  so I can rightly claim that the ENTIRE last 2.5 years of unemployment growth has been the result of labor policies.

now when you want to learn how to read a graph then try again but for the moment you sound like Greens_lose

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching

It failed.  Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with.

You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution.  Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

Swagman wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:41pm: You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching It failed.  Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with. You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution.  Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

he does tend to get pretty much everything wrong.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 7:06pm: gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:41pm: You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching It failed.  Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with. You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution.  Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation. he does tend to get pretty much everything wrong.

Brainwashed..... :(

Swagman wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 1:41pm: You didn't read much history. Let's have a look at the last two major Revolutions. The last one around 250 years ago, called French revolution, but it was much more than that. It was far reaching It failed.  Mind you it managed to murder lots of folk but like all socialist experiments it failed and France just ended up with a tyrannical totalitarian megalomaniac leader that others had to deal with. You seem to have typically overlooked the American revolution.  Slightly more successful than that of the head choppers and one brought on by taxation without representation.

It didn't fail. Revolutions solve the problem for a while, like a haircut. Like pruning a tree. Society need them periodically to cut the greedy upper class back. The conservative dead wood. Throw away the rubbish. The world is getting ready for the next major pruning.  8-)

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St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 1:36am:

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I wouldn't trust kouk to tell me yesterdays weather.  his bald-faced lying on economic matters are well-known.

Shooting the messenger is not a proper answer, Longy! The Kouk unlike the Lieberal Party gave a source.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

Shooting the messenger is not a proper answer, Longy! The Kouk unlike the Lieberal Party gave a source.

and like all good statisticians with political bias, he used them wrongly. 

a) unemployment is 6.1% not 6.4%
b) jobs are created as well as lost and the Libs claim is correct
c) if labor created nearly a million jobs then how come unemployment was so high when they left? (clue: refer b above)

kouk's opinion is always biased by such a wide margin.

If you care to look you will see those tweets got posted before the latest and suspect figures.

Easier to shoot the messenger, eh Longy?

Not only that I have stated the severe fiscal consolidation that was part of the ill–conceived push for a surplus by Labor caused unemployment to rise, hence the end of the quest for a surplus. With a highly indebted household sector that is how it goes.

Given that and the wholesale destruction of confidence by the Libs and their stupid, harsh and unfair Budget their cuts to spending are going to cause even bigger rises in unemployment! Then the multiplier effect kicks in—7% unemployment by the end of the year is my guess.

Yes, jobs are lost and gained all the time but net gains/losses are what is important and is what is measured by the ABS surveys.

it seems Abbott is not so great after all ... the ABS got their stats wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Pity all the rightards who blew their load to early   :D :D :D


http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/abs-backtracks-on-jobs-data-after-august-surge-20141008-10rtip.html

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 8:55am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 8:50am: Shooting the messenger is not a proper answer, Longy! The Kouk unlike the Lieberal Party gave a source. and like all good statisticians with political bias, he used them wrongly.  a) unemployment is 6.1% not 6.4%

It rose to 6.4% in July.

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

it seems Abbott is not so great after all ... the ABS got their stats wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D Pity all the rightards who blew their load to early   :D :D :D http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/abs-backtracks-on-jobs-data-after-august-surge-20141008-10rtip.html

:)

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

it seems Abbott is not so great after all ... the ABS got their stats wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D Pity all the rightards who blew their load to early   :D :D :D http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/abs-backtracks-on-jobs-data-after-august-surge-20141008-10rtip.html

"The August figure had been so far above expectations that analysts had doubted its credibility."      :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:33pm: it seems Abbott is not so great after all ... the ABS got their stats wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D Pity all the rightards who blew their load to early   :D :D :D http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/abs-backtracks-on-jobs-data-after-august-surge-20141008-10rtip.html "The August figure had been so far above expectations that analysts had doubted its credibility."      :)

didn't stop a few of the retards jumping on the bandwagon proclaiming Abbotts god like powers :D :D

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:22pm: John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:33pm: it seems Abbott is not so great after all ... the ABS got their stats wrong  ;D ;D ;D ;D Pity all the rightards who blew their load to early   :D :D :D http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/abs-backtracks-on-jobs-data-after-august-surge-20141008-10rtip.html "The August figure had been so far above expectations that analysts had doubted its credibility."      :) didn't stop a few of the retards jumping on the bandwagon proclaiming Abbotts god like powers :D :D

'Jobs surge "unbelievable", say economists'

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-jobs-skyrockets/

:)