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Title: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by John S on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:37am
Today’s landmark hearing clearly set out the constitutional limits on detaining non-citizens. The federal government will now have to release or process thousands of asylum seekers
‘The policy of locking people up indefinitely... is unlawful under Australian law.’ Today’s high court verdict, which dealt another blow to the federal government’s plans to give asylum seekers temporary protection visas, set significant new limits on Australia’s policy of mandatory detention. It will throw into doubt the legality of detention of thousands of people in Australia, potentially spelling the end for Australia’s mandatory detention regime as we know it. In the unanimous decision handed down today, the court threw out the federal government’s strategy of granting temporary visas to asylum seekers through a legal loophole. Unable to get temporary protection visas through parliament, the federal government had been granting other temporary visas which blocked asylum seekers from applying for permanent visas, but today’s case ruled against that practice. More importantly, and for the first time, the court clearly set out the constitutional limits on immigration detention. It was previously unclear for what purposes the government could detain non-citizens. The court has now clearly stated that the government can only lawfully detain someone in three circumstances: to consider whether or not to let someone apply for a visa; to consider an application for a visa; or to remove someone. Detention is only lawful if these purposes are being “pursued and carried into effect as soon as reasonably practicable”, the court held. The length of detention must be assessed by what is “necessary and incidental” to execute and fulfil those purposes. These limits on detention are constitutional. In other words, Parliament cannot override them by introducing new legislation. Today’s decision has profound implications for asylum seekers and refugees in Australia. The detention of thousands of people who arrived irregularly before July 2013 is now potentially unlawful and the government will now have to either release these people or at least resume processing. Prolonged cases of detention can be challenged before the courts. The policy of locking people up indefinitely, without carefully considering whether it is justified in the individual case, is unlawful under Australian law. The court’s decision finally provides clarity about the limits of mandatory detention. Since 1992, the court has heard a series of cases dealing with aspects of the issue. That year, in the case of Chu Kheng Lim, the court held there were two limits on detention. First, it had to be for a “legitimate purpose” – to enable a visa application to be considered, or to remove a person from Australia. Second, detention had to be “reasonably capable of being seen as necessary” for that purpose. In other words, if it were not possible to remove someone, then the detention could no longer be justified. The court said that detention that did not meet these conditions would be unconstitutional, because it would infringe on the exclusive power of judges to detain people. Since then, however, the high court has tended to question or overlook these limits. Most famously in 2004, in the much criticised case of Al-Kateb v Godwin, the court effectively authorised mandatory and indefinite immigration detention in Australia. The majority in that case held that the Migration Act required a person to be detained even if there was no reasonable prospect of removal. The court held that this was constitutional. Since Al-Kateb, lawyers have challenged Australia’s detention laws in a variety of ways – generally without success. However, in recent years the high court has become increasingly receptive to such challenges. In part, this is probably because in practice detention has become longer, more routine and more extensive. Since September 2013, the average time spent in detention facilities in Australia has risen from 100 to 350 days, and there are currently nearly 4,000 asylum seekers in detention facilities. These numbers don’t include asylum seekers living in detention in the community. Today’s case sets clear limits to the government’s power to detain asylum seekers indefinitely, without review or consideration of individual cases. In doing so, the high court has reaffirmed the role of judges in reinforcing the rule of law in Australia. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/11/high-court-verdict-spells-the-end-for-australian-immigration-detention-as-we-know-it |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Setanta on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:42am
Maybe that's why the back flip on landing on Au soil and TPVs...
I didn't think it was a change of heart. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Brian Ross on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:54am Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:42am:
You need a heart, to be able to change it. Tone and Morrison had theirs surgically removed a long time ago, when they sold their souls to the Devil. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Setanta on Sep 12th, 2014 at 1:01am Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:54am:
Skyrim players will understand |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 12th, 2014 at 6:02am Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:54am:
The same holds true of a brain in your case and that of virtually all leftards. Pity you don't have one. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Armchair_Politician on Sep 12th, 2014 at 6:10am
High Court shoots down Labor as well, could be the title if you believe what the leftards are saying.
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Dame Pansi on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:03am ‘The policy of locking people up indefinitely... is unlawful under Australian law.’ Justice prevails! |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:20am Quote:
Before July 2013? Well looks like Labor have a lot (more) to answer for now......they caused the flood of illegals with their watery policies and now the tax-payer will be flayed yet again.......... :( :( |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:21am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:03am:
Tell that to your bumchum comrade Paul Keating.....he introduced it ;D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Team Knight Errant Grappler on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:52am Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 6:10am:
I don't believe the article mentioned party politics - Morrison happens to be in the chaise electrique at the moment and therefore rightly cops criticism, especially considering this changes policy of his government on detention. It doesn't comment on offshore detention specifically - it stated 'detention' under any circumstances, so it is an issue for on-Party comment. Once a person is in the custody of a State, that State is bound by its own Laws as well as the rule of law, and cannot place itself in the position of prison keeper for non-criminal persons. Sorry to say - the convict days are gone, they are not coming back, and it's time for some to catch up. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:17am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:52am:
Labor abolished TPVs that appeared to work well. Since then there has been a flood of illegals. Cause and effect |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:19am Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:17am:
"illegals" ;D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Team Knight Errant Grappler on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:28am
Does this mean those on Maniac Island will be released into the community? Could be interesting....
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:19am:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/morrison-correct-illegal-entry-people/4935372 Quote:
"Greggy"..... ;D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by cods on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:54am:
were you this concerned when gillard wanted to SWAP PEOPLE with Malaysia a country that has the DEATH PENALTY... and whipping is a sport for the asylum seeking police ::) ::) just wondering thats all.. I mean PEOPLE SWAPPING... almost barbaric... |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by cods on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:34am Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:21am:
as long as they all go to Queensland I wont worry...they love everything illegal a whole new bunch of bikies waiting in the wings... just make sure they are never allowed to leave Qld.. thats all. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Team Knight Errant Grappler on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:34am
Well - the new jobs regime, that world market thing, requires that workers FIFO at their own expense to countries that will offer them $10 a day and a hovel.. maybe a whipping as well.
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:38am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:34am:
Contiki tours... ;D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Carl D on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:41am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:19am:
Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am:
For God's sake, don't start him ("Greggy") off again. No-one cares what he thinks (and, I'm sure he knows it) but he'll keep going on and on and on until you have to give up due to sheer frustration. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:45am Carl D wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:41am:
Greggy is always right though Carl. He thought he was wrong once.....but he must have been mistaken ;D :D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Sir BigVic VSD and Bar on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:49am cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am:
Yes - I beleive Mr Abbott is now going to send them to Cambodia. Let me see, Malaysia or Cambodia Cambodia Cambodia is a "vaguely communist free-market state with a relatively authoritarian coalition ruling over a superficial democracy."[11] Cambodia still faces numerous challenges and sociopolitical issues that stunt its development as a nation. In 2013, Cambodia scored a 20 out of a scale of a 100 (highly clean) to 0 (highly corrupt) on the 2013 Corruption Perceptions Index, which also ranked the nation as the a ranking of 160 out of 175 nations (tied with other nations) making the nation one of the most corrupt in the world and Cambodia is the 2nd most corrupt nation in Asia with North Korea being the 1st.[12] According to Freedom House in their 2013 report Cambodia scored a 5.5 out of a scale of 1 (Free) to 7 (Not Free) indicating that Cambodia as a nation is 'Not Free'.[13] As of 2013, the Human Development Index (HDI) ranks Cambodia 138th place (tied with Laos) making the nation one of the lowest ranking in terms of human development and that it indicates that Cambodia has lower medium to low development presently.[14] Cambodia is a low income economy with it having one of the lowest annual incomes in the world with the agriculture sector dominating the country's economy, followed by the service and industrial sectors. According to the Global Hunger Index, Cambodia currently ranks as the 32nd hungriest nation in the world out of the list of the 56 nations with the worst hunger situation(s) in the world Malaysia The country is multi-ethnic and multi-cultural, which plays a large role in politics. The constitution declares Islam the state religion while protecting freedom of religion. The government system is closely modelled on the Westminster parliamentary system and the legal system is based on common law. The head of state is the king, known as the Yang di-Pertuan Agong. He is an elected monarch chosen from the hereditary rulers of the nine Malay states every five years. The head of government is the Prime Minister. Since independence, Malaysia has had one of the best economic records in Asia, with GDP growing at an average 6.5% per annum for almost 50 years. The economy has traditionally been fueled by its natural resources, but is expanding in the sectors of science, tourism, commerce and medical tourism. Today, Malaysia has a newly industrialised market economy, ranked third largest in Southeast Asia and 29th largest in the world. It is a founding member of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, the East Asia Summit and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, and a member of Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation, the Commonwealth of Nations, and the Non-Aligned Movement Decision? If I were in their situation - I would take Malaysia |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Team Knight Errant Grappler on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:01am
Our Lady in Malaysia is currently expressing concern over the demand from 'many' Muslims that the ethnic Chinese (she is such) should get out of 'their' country. Her family, as well as having been there for many generations, are a very high class family of achievers (her grampa, a well-established businessman, flew his own Tiger Moth on unarmed recon missions in 1942, then island-hopped to Australia to join the RAAF, then moved to the RAF. A Man's Man.).
I have concerns over Muslim countries at this time and their future trends. I vote Australia for the genuine ones... when we get this country back on its feet there will be room for all... |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:04am Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am:
"illegals" ;D (all of a sudden, it turns into 'illegal entry') |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:18am Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am:
The United Nations don't make laws. Ooops! :o "illegals" ;D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by King FriYAY II on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:19am
Oh yay, another win for the tinted interlopers, just smacking awesome.
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Swagman on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:43am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:18am:
...finally something accurate from the GP :D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:46am Swagman wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:43am:
I've been telling people that for years. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by King FriYAY II on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:37pm
You'll notice they'll quote the UN when it suits and Australian laws when it suits.
Some people just love supporting people smuggling and deaths at sea. ::) |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Team Knight Errant Grappler on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:48pm King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:37pm:
Incorrect - they advocate a better solution that the current one of PPP in processing (Piss Poor Performance in Processing), which leads to people smugglers making a good living, though conditions often gives their passengers a sinking feeling, but no more than a brief visit for a few years to Maniac Island does. Now - a proper system of onshore processing and/or international processing would go a long way to resolving the issues. Put 'em to work on the GAIA.... jobs and incomes at proper rates and an opportunity to acquire skills etc... EARN rather than LEARN to be citizens. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Team Knight Errant Grappler on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:51pm
Perhaps I may be of assistance:-
http://www.lawhandbook.org.au/handbook/ch22s01s02.php Subject to review after the recent decision.... |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Hot Breath on Sep 12th, 2014 at 12:55pm cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am:
Who remember Joe Hockey's crocodile tears over the idea of sending kids to Malaysia? Yet he's quite happy to lock them up on Manus or Nauru, despite the confirmed reports of abuse from those Gulags. Australia should be proud that his government is carrying on the tradition of Xenophobia. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by John Smith on Sep 12th, 2014 at 1:43pm cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:31am:
Gillard had negotiated terms with Malaysia that would see the rights of the asylum seekers protected ... but typical of you to only ever tell half a story |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by aquascoot on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:04pm
i never got to vote for any members of the high court, so as far as i am concerned, i would value their opinions no more than those of Hamish and Andy
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Hot Breath on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:13pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:04pm:
Except the Constitution names them as the final arbiters of what is or isn't legal in Australia. I don't think Hamish and Andy have that gig...yet. ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by jockohomo3d on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:30pm
The High Court can bend over and lick my gooch as far as I'm concerned. Who cares what those do-gooders think. All they'll do is relax the laws and set the people shopping industry off again.
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Dnarever on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:13pm Quote:
Happy to help if they want some assistance with that. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Dnarever on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:15pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:04pm:
Not such a bad idea when we have the suppository of all wisdom running the country - I would also go for Hamish and Andy in preference. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by SupositoryofWisdom on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:21pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:28am:
Just a imagine all the redneck righties , more brown people. Hope chemists are stacked up on ventalin , going to be some hardcore ventilating. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Kytro on Sep 13th, 2014 at 4:41pm jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:30pm:
This has to do with the constitution, and what the government can and cannot do. What ti cannot do is hold people indefinitely on its say-so. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 13th, 2014 at 4:56pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:03am:
You've got it wrong. Upon the advice of their Socialist pro bono lawyers it's always been a case of appeal, after appeal, after appeal by the asylum-seekers as a strategy for wearing down the resistance of the committees that have been refusing them because of nil 'refugee' credentials. It hasn't been the government locking them up for years ~ it's been continued incarceration upon the advice of the pro homo lawyers. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:03pm Kytro wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 4:41pm:
Not true. There's nothing in any Constitution that covers these circumstances. The government has not been keeping these people under lock-and-key for any other reason than that these asylum-seekers have not agreed to accept the decision of committees that have rejected their repeated applications. It has been ridiculously generous of the Australian governments to allow these applicants to mount repeated appeal after appeal after appeal in an effort to wear down the authorities. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:08pm Its time wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:21pm:
There are no 'righties' on this forum board ~ only level-headed realists without an ideology to screw with their mind. I'll say it again: The UK is Australia's Crystal Ball to the future. If we don't learn from the mistakes of others, then we are doomed to inherit the same problems as they have. I had hoped Abbott was a strong, no-nonsense leader who had Australia's best interests at heart, but unfortunately he has turned out to be just another politically correct coward with his eye on the 'Ethnic Vote', and his arse in terror of a pounding from 'International Opinion'. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Kytro on Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:17pm Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:03pm:
The court disagreed, the ruling was on constitutional issues, the government cannot legislate around it and continue to hold people without a judicial oversight. The decision means the government must process people within a reasonable time, it also cannot keep people locked up simply because they can't send them back for whatever reason. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by St George of the Puissant HLT on Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:41pm
Now who wishes there was a Malaysian Solution ;D
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Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 14th, 2014 at 7:46am Kytro wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
This is good news for the people of Australia. It means the government is being forced to return frauds back to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran without the option to keep them here indefinitely because of laziness and political funk. If the government does release these potentially dangerous Muslims onto our streets, the ministers responsible will have to answer questions as to why they are not being shipped back to the Middle East. And let's not hear any more of this nonsense about these Middle Eastern mendicant backwater medieval tribal nations that are the beneficiaries of billions in annual western Foreign Aid ~ refusing to accept these handful of individuals back from us every so often. Incidentally it was on a news program: Under Labor, 20% of boat people were deemed to be cynical opportunist frauds ... while under the Liberals it is 50% who are being judged to be criminal liars. Now, why would that be? You don't think the differential is due to how these criminal liars are likely vote as citizens of Australia ... ? (That's a rhetorical question). |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by adelcrow on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:10am St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
That can never happen because it makes Hockey cry every time he thinks of refugees living in Malaysia...apparently its worse in Malaysia than in Cambodia :D... |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by adelcrow on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:13am
According to Hockey this is better
than this |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:24am
Child labour is completely normal in Third World countries ~ as it was in the UK until just recently.
What do you think small boys do for play anyway? They're out there playing in the city's trash heaps if they live nearby. The kid earns money and does a good community service in recycling. I don't know why people draw back in horror at these images of Third World children being occupied in a positive and constructive way. In China and India there's no such thing as 'idle kids'. They are all expected to make a contribution one way or another. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by aquascoot on Sep 14th, 2014 at 5:46pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:03am:
you are, without doubt, the stupidest person on this forum. you may even be stupider than a green senator |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:09pm aquascoot wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 5:46pm:
I heard the Greens are petitioning the government to stop using the term 'Terrorists' as this might offend our Muslims. No 'might' about it. It's why one group of Muslims snubbed Abbott by not turning up to his little Knees-up the other day. And what the hell is Abbott doing 'consulting' Muslim groups about a matter that effects all Australians? What a teddy bear. |
Title: Re: High Court shoots down Morrison Post by Kytro on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:28pm Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 7:46am:
Iran for example, will not accept any forced returns. The government cannot continue to hold them under this ruling. As to why there is a change in assessments, there are a number of possible reasons. From a change in the people coming here to a change in criteria. None of this changes the actual situation - assuming the same people the 50% isn't more accurate than the 20%, it's different criteria. The argument that these people would vote for you is bit hard to take seriously, it's unlikely they would have a significant impact of the outcome elections. |
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