Immigration Minister Scott Morrison not telling truth on asylum seeker arrivals

4th Feb 2014


There has been an 80 per cent reduction. However, the reduction really began under the former Rudd Labor Government - with the so called "New Guinea Solution"


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On November 29 Mr Morrison said: "In the previous government after the announcement of the regional resettlement arrangement an average of 461 people not including crew were turning up on just over six boats every week. Since the commencement of Operation Sovereign Borders this has fallen by more than 80 per cent to just 78 people illegally arriving per week on less than two boats not including crew."

Mr Morrison and other Liberal MPs have been repeating these figures over the past few weeks, saying the reduction is the result "of our efforts under Operation Sovereign Borders".

Labor, however, disagrees. On the ABC's Q&A program on November 25, Opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen repeatedly said Mr Morrison's figures were "just not right". When ABC Fact Check asked for the basis of his comments, a spokesman for Mr Bowen said the comparison period the Coalition was using was "disingenuous".

"Labor had only announced the PNG arrangement on 19 July and from experience, there is always a lag in terms of policy measures having an effect," the spokesman said. "If you look at the two weeks prior to the election, a month or so after the PNG arrangement had been announced and was being implemented, there was clearly an effect being experienced."


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What the numbers show

Fact Check has collated data on asylum seeker boat arrivals from July 19, when former prime minister Kevin Rudd announced his regional resettlement arrangement with Papua New Guinea, to November 29, when Mr Morrison made his claim.

The crux of Mr Rudd's announcement was that no more asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat would be settled in Australia


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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/scott-morrison-not-telling-full-story-asylum-seeker-arrivals/5119380.

of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... :D :D :D :D

of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???..

how come we dont give the former govt the CREDIT for that as well.

credit where its due..

poor diddums Buzzard....  Abbott stopped the boats.  Rudd both started the boats AND failed to stop them,

cods wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... :D :D :D :D of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???..

You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT that the Rudd Government ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

I WAS JUST GIVING KRUDD CREDIT FOR STARTING THE THING IN THE FIRST PLACE..


CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE.. AFTER ALL..

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:23am: of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... :D :D :D :D of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???.. You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT that the Rudd Government ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

they improved it from dreadful all the way up to poor.  congrats.  that's about as good as a labor policy gets.  badly implemented, years late and lets not forget the 1000 deaths.  you would be best advised to concentrate on labors actual successes rather than trying to salvage something from the literal wrecks that Labor created with this policy

it would also be nice to see you look at ALL graphs and understand them - eg unemployment  (on the ris for 3 years) and temperature (static for 17 years).

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

poor diddums Buzzard....  Abbott stopped the boats.  Rudd both started the boats AND failed to stop them,

You refused to look at the graph - showing boat arrival numbers - and just WHERE they plummeted, long before "operation McHale's navy" ?


It's not just climate change you have an aversion to FACTS

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:31am: cods wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:23am: of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... :D :D :D :D of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???.. You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT that the Rudd Government ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND they improved it from dreadful all the way up to poor.  congrats.  that's about as good as a labor policy gets.  badly implemented, years late and lets not forget the 1000 deaths.  you would be best advised to concentrate on labors actual successes rather than trying to salvage something from the literal wrecks that Labor created with this policy it would also be nice to see you look at ALL graphs and understand them - eg unemployment  (on the ris for 3 years) and temperature (static for 17 years).

Forget about "off topic" history and OTHER DIVERSIONS








Are you denying the "New Guinea solution" "stopped the boats" - as the numbers confirm . or NOT ?
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Poll added

Let's know HOW you voted and based on what information

Well done Kev.

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What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?

A better question would be "What friggin started them?"

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Nothing - they were merely diverted.

Not enough options... lock in C, Eddie.. "Not Enough Options"..

"Final answer?"

"Yes.. C!  Lock it in!'

"Locked in!   What made you go for C?  You went for A, then D, then B.. and ended up with C."

"Just a guess."

"Well - what's the answer?  We'll let you know after the ad break."

Swagman wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

Quote: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? A better question would be "What friggin started them?"

Feel free to start you OWN thread on that question

It is NOT the question on THIS one

( ... so PLEASE, TRY and stay "on topic")

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:00am: Quote: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? A better question would be "What friggin started them?" Feel free to start you OWN thread on that question It is NOT the question on THIS one ( ... so PLEASE, TRY and stay "on topic")

.......sorry didhams wouldn't want to introduce some rational argument into your propaganda

What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?







buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

Poll added Let's know HOW you voted - and based on what information

When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?"

Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

brumbie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?" Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Bit like the pyro bush firery that starts bush fires so he can put them out and get the kudos.... ::)

brumbie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?" Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

As a Greens 1st, Labor 2nd supporter - I have never supported the inhumane treatment of refugees, or the cost ineffective "offshore solutions"

... but that is NOT the issue, HERE





... which is


What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?*






* ... The LibNat's "Operation Sovereign Borders" - as Abbott and Morrison claim - or Labor's "New Guinea Solution" ?





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Swagman wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

brumbie wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:31am: When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?" Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Bit like the pyro bush firery that starts bush fires so he can put them out and get the kudos.... ::)

I can take THAT - as the New Guinea Solution "stopped the boats", REGARDLESS ?

Liberals stopped the boats.  Labor did a tiny bit of effort near the end of their term solely for votes.  but since they started the problem they get zero kudos for a half-hearted barely effective job os slowing it a bit.

the boats stopped under Abbotts govt with an actual policy to stop them.

This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity.

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:23am: of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... :D :D :D :D of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???.. You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT that the Rudd Government ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

For what? Finally waking up and realising he stuffed up? For finally realising that the only solution was to adopt the exact same policy the Coalition had advocated since 2007 and the exact same policy Howard put into place? For that, we can thank Mr Howard and Mr Abbott for providing the ideas to Mr Rudd. Better late than never, eh Kevvy?

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity.

Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:15am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:22pm: This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity. Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls.

I am not talking about the asylum seekers losing their humanity.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:15am: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:22pm: This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity. Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls. I am not talking about the asylum seekers losing their humanity.

you should be talking about them losing their lives.  but you aren't.

I have talked about that, and how the Malaysian Solution would have stopped that.

Now I am commenting about how the AS issue is causing many in Aust to lose their humanity.

Neo cons talk about saving lives and yet they are happy to send desperate refugees to one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in our region..Cambodia.

Lets face it...the whole "saving lives" thing is just crap.

These to bleeding hearts need to be sent to the corner with all the other children.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:26am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:15am: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:22pm: This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity. Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls. I am not talking about the asylum seekers losing their humanity. you should be talking about them losing their lives.  but you aren't.

The lack of an effective processing offshore without detention is the problem.. or even an onshore processing facility that works without the concentration camp mentality intruding.


I  bring you the GAIA... offer them some carrots instead of some stick...

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:20am:

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison not telling truth on asylum seeker arrivals 4th Feb 2014 There has been an 80 per cent reduction. However, the reduction really began under the former Rudd Labor Government - with the so called "New Guinea Solution" http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5144104/data/asylum-seekers-arrived-by-boat-weekly-jul-19---nov-29-data.jpg On November 29 Mr Morrison said: "In the previous government after the announcement of the regional resettlement arrangement an average of 461 people not including crew were turning up on just over six boats every week. Since the commencement of Operation Sovereign Borders this has fallen by more than 80 per cent to just 78 people illegally arriving per week on less than two boats not including crew." Mr Morrison and other Liberal MPs have been repeating these figures over the past few weeks, saying the reduction is the result "of our efforts under Operation Sovereign Borders". Labor, however, disagrees. On the ABC's Q&A program on November 25, Opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen repeatedly said Mr Morrison's figures were "just not right". When ABC Fact Check asked for the basis of his comments, a spokesman for Mr Bowen said the comparison period the Coalition was using was "disingenuous". "Labor had only announced the PNG arrangement on 19 July and from experience, there is always a lag in terms of policy measures having an effect," the spokesman said. "If you look at the two weeks prior to the election, a month or so after the PNG arrangement had been announced and was being implemented, there was clearly an effect being experienced." ( ... refer back to above graph) What the numbers show Fact Check has collated data on asylum seeker boat arrivals from July 19, when former prime minister Kevin Rudd announced his regional resettlement arrangement with Papua New Guinea, to November 29, when Mr Morrison made his claim. The crux of Mr Rudd's announcement was that no more asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat would be settled in Australia More ... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/scott-morrison-not-telling-full-story-asylum-seeker-arrivals/5119380.

Rudd's PNG non-solution was all about sending only single males to PNG, and families were still being sent here.
And yes, the statistics do support a slow down of illegal boat arrivals at the time however nothing like the Coalition achieved soon after OSB was implemented.
And once again, Rudd's policy was destined to fail and if allowed to continue would have been a dud rubber.
The electorate was right in handing Labor it's worst defeat in 100 years and throwing the bums out.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:12pm:

Liberals stopped the boats.  Labor did a tiny bit of effort near the end of their term solely for votes.  the boats stopped under Abbotts govt with an actual policy to stop them.

You can't "win" this one, I'm afraid


http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5144104/data/asylum-seekers-arrived-by-boat-weekly-jul-19---nov-29-data.jpg

There are a few annoying little things called "facts" and "statistics" that are getting in your way



You can DETRACT "till the cows come" about who started it - but that is not the issue, or the QUESTION

For the record, I did NOT approve of the "New Guinea Solution" - but the policy of placing refugees into the hands of the very junta they were fleeing, is next to MURDER






Tamils facing new atrocities in Sri Lanka

03 July 2014

http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=41653#.VBUok2dxldg

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

the statistics do support a slow down of illegal boat arrivals at the time ( ... of PNG) ..however nothing like the Coalition achieved soon after OSB was implemented..

I think you'd best check that GRAPH again, "plucka"

So the leftards think Labor stopped the boats. ;D ;D ;D ;D The soft left  don't have the fortitude to make these types of decisions. That or they never wanted to stop the boats in the first place.

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:46am: the statistics do support a slow down of illegal boat arrivals at the time ( ... of PNG) ..however nothing like the Coalition achieved soon after OSB was implemented..  I think you'd best check that GRAPH again, "plucka"

Don't need to Buzz.
Your fine weekly arrival graph taken from a period two months before the election does not take away that Labor only introduced only a part of the former Coalition's working off shore policy and incompetently expected to achieve the same result as the Coalition did as they only intended to send single males to PNG.
And as such, the drop in arrivals could well have been because of an insufficient number of married country shopper families available in Indonesia at the time.
The drop in arrivals was only ever destined to be a short term solution just prior to the election.
And because the incompetent dunderclumpers only introduced part of a working policy, it was always destined to fail in the long term.
Face it, Labor never ever had their heart in border protection, and the electorate knew it.

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:12pm: Liberals stopped the boats.  Labor did a tiny bit of effort near the end of their term solely for votes.  the boats stopped under Abbotts govt with an actual policy to stop them. You can't "win" this one, I'm afraid http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5144104/data/asylum-seekers-arrived-by-boat-weekly-jul-19---nov-29-data.jpg There are a few annoying little things called "facts" and "statistics" that are getting in your way You can DETRACT "till the cows come" about who started it - but that is not the issue, or the QUESTION For the record, I did NOT approve of the "New Guinea Solution" - but the policy of placing refugees into the hands of the very junta they were fleeing, is next to MURDER Tamils facing new atrocities in Sri Lanka 03 July 2014 http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=41653#.VBUok2dxldg

Just reiterates what we've been saying all along, Thanks Kevin, not that brown people bothered me in the first place, nice people that cook a great feed and are very friendly.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:19pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:46am: the statistics do support a slow down of illegal boat arrivals at the time ( ... of PNG) ..however nothing like the Coalition achieved soon after OSB was implemented..  I think you'd best check that GRAPH again, "plucka" Don't need to Buzz. Your fine weekly arrival graph taken from a period two months before the election does not take away that Labor only introduced only a part of the former Coalition's working off shore policy and incompetently expected to achieve the same result as the Coalition did as they only intended to send single males to PNG. And as such, the drop in arrivals could well have been because of an insufficient number of married country shopper families available in Indonesia at the time. The drop in arrivals was only ever destined to be a short term solution just prior to the election. And because the incompetent dunderclumpers only introduced part of a working policy, it was always destined to fail in the long term. Face it, Labor never ever had their heart in border protection, and the electorate knew it.

http://www.abbottsimulator.com/    have a go at this chicken little, you can pretend to stop the boats ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 4:19pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:46am: the statistics do support a slow down of illegal boat arrivals at the time ( ... of PNG) ..however nothing like the Coalition achieved soon after OSB was implemented..  I think you'd best check that GRAPH again, "plucka" Don't need to Buzz. Your fine weekly arrival graph taken from a period two months before the election does not take away that Labor only introduced only a part of the former Coalition's working off shore policy and incompetently expected to achieve the same result as the Coalition did as they only intended to send single males to PNG. And as such, the drop in arrivals could well have been because of an insufficient number of married country shopper families available in Indonesia at the time. The drop in arrivals was only ever destined to be a short term solution just prior to the election. And because the incompetent dunderclumpers only introduced part of a working policy, it was always destined to fail in the long term. Face it, Labor never ever had their heart in border protection, and the electorate knew it.

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What really stopped the boats?  We started to treat the asylum seekers a lot worse, and took away their hope to settle.  That's the bottom line.  It is not about a genius policy.  Even a child can figure that if you been mean to another child, the other child wont come any more. 

Unfortunately, it would always end up like this no matter if its Labor or Liberal.  I am just surprised the one who pulled the trigger was an once self proclaimed man of god.  And he even had the galls to say:
"Jesus knew there was a place for everything. It is not necessary everyone's place to come to Australia.."