Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain.

red baron wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain.

Another idiot going to a war zone.

He was an aid worker.

The poor bastard:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140913185502-henning-isis-story-body.jpg


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/meast/isis-haines-family-message/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



Quote:

(CNN) -- British aid worker David Haines has been executed by ISIS militants, according to a video posted Saturday to a website associated with the group, making him the third Western captive to be killed by the Islamist extremist group in recent weeks. The ISIS video post showing Haines' beheading called his execution "a message to the allies of America." It is produced very similarly to the videos that showed the executions of American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, the last of which included Haines and the threat that he'd be killed next. The new video pictures a masked ISIS militant placing his hand on another captive, whom he identified as Alan Henning, a British citizen. In a tweet, British Prime Minister David Cameron called "the murder of David Haines" an "act of pure evil." Cameron added, "We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes."

1 millisecond after that was posted, drone should have struck and annihilated 100 pre-selected ISIS targets.

these drones should then have done a low fly by and taken a few happy snaps of the charred ISIS corpses.

10 minutes later it should have been posted on youtube as "Dont Mess with the West"

instead i'm sure the usual pansies just went on about "evil' and building a "coalition"
yawn, groan, yawn

red baron wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain.

We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam...

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam...

And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot.

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot.

Syria= war zone.

Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there.

Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone.

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot.

There are thousands on refugees in turkey and lebanon, but no, the idiot went into syria. He bypassed and ignored all those refugees who came out of syria to neigbouring countries.

A bit of respect for the dead would be good.

wally1 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone.

Walid- using your logic those Turks who were killed after attacking jewish soldiers while trying to break a military blockade of a declared conflict zone must have been idiots. ;D :D ;D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone. Walid- using your logic those Turks who were killed after attacking jewish soldiers while trying to break a military blockade of a declared conflict zone must have been idiots. ;D :D ;D :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg

They were travelling to Gaza which was not a conflict zone.

wally1 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone.

He was brave to go to try & help other people
while you sit in front of your computer.

wally1 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone.

Why do your fellow Muslims behead Western civilians? They hurt no-one.

Simply because they are Western kaffirs.



And Muslims like you are saying you and Islam shouldn't be singled out as supporters of terrorism?  And that you are 'alienated' from Australian society.  Being such a completely despicable supporter and excuser of evil, what do you and your co-religionists who think like you expect??  And you are supposed to be the 'vast majority of peaceful friggen numpties'.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone. He was brave to go to try & help other people while you sit in front of your computer.

If you care so much why don't you go help,there are thousands of refugees in Jordan,Lebanon etc who need assistance.

No doubt David Haines was brave, no doubt he knew the risks involved. He rolled the dice and it came up snake eyes for him.

There are lots of David Haines out there who hear the call and selflessly go and help out people in dire need.

He was a worthy soul who sacrificed himself for the greater good of mankind.  He knew the risks and went anyway.

The world needs more people like him and less of the evil doers on this planet.

Vale David Haines

wally1 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone.

Why don't you go there, your an idiot. Also a muslim.

Adamant wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone. Why don't you go there, your an idiot. Also a muslim.

If ppl want to go give aid, no problem,but ppl in neighbouring countries desperate for help.

Another fake beheading. Propaganda by the West.  ;D ;D ;D

Watch and listen how relaxed he talks  ;D ;D ;D Seriously, who is that stupid to believe this bullshit? Even his voice is totally out of sync with the video. Just edited into the video ;D  ;D ;D

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c57_1410654621

An American, who isn't totally brainwashed, goes through the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtFbFPR5jws#t=11

well lets make some fake youtube clips frying ISIS dudes.

did you see the 100's of iraqi soldiers in their underpants being marched away and tormented and then the piles of dead bodies.

you are a moron.  you need a drone to drop a hellfire missile down your cake hole. ;)

wally1 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:56pm: wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone. He was brave to go to try & help other people while you sit in front of your computer. If you care so much why don't you go help,there are thousands of refugees in Jordan,Lebanon etc who need assistance.

I pay my taxes & Tony has just announced that those taxes
will be put to good use fighting ISIS.

Tony will get rid of this plague.

That is my contribution.

Prank vids ?
Bomb them to kingdom come for making sprank vids  like this. Kill them all.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:23pm:

wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 3:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 12:56pm: wally1 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:35am: freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:56am: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:47am: red baron wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 8:17am: Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain. We should also expect the resident apologists in this forum to say people have Islamophobia, an irrational fear of Islam... And to describe the murdered aid worker as an idiot. Syria= war zone. Idiots=People who clearly know there is war zone and there is a high chance you wont get out alive and still go there. Answer-Another idiot who goes to a warzone. He was brave to go to try & help other people while you sit in front of your computer. If you care so much why don't you go help,there are thousands of refugees in Jordan,Lebanon etc who need assistance. I pay my taxes & Tony has just announced that those taxes will be put to good use fighting ISIS. Tony will get rid of this plague. That is my contribution.

Im sure Tony will get rid of the plague, the plague just took over another two towns and now almost control the south of syria.
Even the US bombing raids are not stopping ISIS get more land and towns.

Onya Tony - you've got balls:


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/14/tony-abbott-australia-military-force-fight-isis-death-cult


Quote:

Tony Abbott: Australia to send military force to fight Isis 'death cult' Some 600 personnel, including special forces troops, and eight F/A-18F Super Hornet jets will make up military contribution to international coalition. Australia will send a military force to the United Arab Emirates to contribute to the US campaign of airstrikes against Islamic State (Isis) militants in Iraq. In response to a formal request from the US for specific Australian defence force (ADF) capabilities, the prime minister, Tony Abbott, said Australia would supply 600 personnel – made up of 400 from the air force and 200 from the military, including special forces – along with equipment to the coalition force against the Isis movement. Up to eight Royal Australian Air Force F/A18F Super Hornets combat aircraft, a Wedgetail surveillance aircraft, and a tanker and transport aircraft will be sent to the United Arab Emirates. “In addition, the Australian Defence Force will prepare a special operations task Group as military advisers that could assist Iraqi and other security forces that are taking the fight to the [Isis] terrorists,” said Abbott. Military advice would also be provided to Kurdish Peshmerga forces in northern Iraq. ADF personnel will be based in the US headquarters “to ensure close coordination” with the US and to support planning and logistics. “We are not deploying combat troops but contributing to international efforts to prevent the humanitarian crisis from deepening,” said Abbott.

red baron wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

No doubt David Haines was brave, no doubt he knew the risks involved. He rolled the dice and it came up snake eyes for him. There are lots of David Haines out there who hear the call and selflessly go and help out people in dire need. He was a worthy soul who sacrificed himself for the greater good of mankind.  He knew the risks and went anyway. The world needs more people like him and less of the evil doers on this planet. Vale David Haines

RIP David Haines

ISIS = Israeli Secret Intelligence Service


http://youtu.be/lMUlTSmNu0c

http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/David-Haines-execution-JPG-300x168.jpg


Quote:

Islamic State beheads British aid worker David Haines; Cameron vows justice Robert Spencer      Sep 13, 2014 Said Cameron: “We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes.” Everything, that is, except study and understand their motives and goals, and tell the truth about those motives and goals.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/islamic-state-beheads-british-aid-worker-david-haines-cameron-vows-justice


"Islamic State beheads British aid worker David Haines; Cameron vows justice"

QUESTION to David Cameron;
Where is justice, that ignores, and is without, truth ?


If Britain's PRIME MINISTER [the political head of that country], David Cameron, were to speak the truth about what motivated David Haines killers, that would go a long way towards David Cameron exhibiting some respect for the murdered man, David Haines, imo.







http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/obama-shhh1-300x180.png


Quote:

Obama: The Islamic State “is not ‘Islamic'” Robert Spencer      Sep 10, 2014 [citations from the Koran are given within the article.]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/obama-the-islamic-state-is-not-islamic






SEE ALSO.....
At last, the claim that 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' - is beginning to be ridiculed by increasing numbers of American citizens!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/0#0

red baron wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Breaking news on Channel 7 Sunday 14 Aug. David Haines British hostage of ISIS has been executed. Expect a U.S. like response from Great Britain.

Prime Minister David Cameron made a statement in Downing Street after chairing a meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee to discuss the killing of British aid worker David Haines by Islamic State militants. Here are his words in full.

Today the whole country will want to express its deep sympathy for David Haines' family.

They have endured the last 18 months of David's captivity with extraordinary courage and now David has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable by an organisation which is the embodiment of evil.

We will hunt down those responsible and bring them to justice no matter how long it takes.

David Haines was an aid worker. He went into harm's way, not to harm people but to help his fellow human beings in the hour of their direst need, from the Balkans to the Middle East.

His family spoke of the joy he felt when he learned he got his job in Syria. His selflessness, his decency, his burning desire to help others has today cost him his life.

But the whole country, like his grieving family, can be incredibly proud of what he did and what he stood for in his humanitarian mission.

David Haines was a British hero. The fact that an aid worker was taken, held and brutally murdered at the hands of Isil sums up what this organisation stands for.

They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people - Christians, Muslims, minorities across Iraq and Syria. They boast of their brutality. They claim to do this in the name of Islam.

That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace.

They are not Muslims, they are monsters.


Cont ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29198128

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

They are not Muslims, they are monsters.[/b]

They certainly consider themselves to be Muslims and can no doubt point at doctrine that proves they are more Muslim than those Muslims saying that they are not "real" Muslims.

Islam has a PR problem at the moment, and apologists continually spruiking that (insert Islamic terror group of choice)  are not actually Muslims ( just playing dress ups and pretends presumably? ) is no longer, if it ever was convincing, it is now more eye roll worthy. 

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

[b]They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people - Christians, Muslims, minorities across Iraq and Syria. They boast of their brutality. They claim to do this in the name of Islam. That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace.

The Islamic state are devout muslims following Islam.

Yes the muslims from the Islamic state have said people must convert or die which comes from Allah.
quran.com/9/5

The Quran tells you to follow the example Mohammad set-
quran.com/33/21

The Islamic state are just doing what Mohammad did-
sunnah.com/muslim/32/1

Islam is not a religion of peace,the Ahmadi muslims dropped the obligation for Jihad and are persecuted worldwide by mainstream Islam.

Does this verse indicate a peaceful belief, who are those muslims who Allah calls hypocrites,do we call them moderates?
quran.com/9/73

Good point data-

people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data- people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities.  If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit".

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data- people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

To be fair I would prefer more Muslims stand up and in a muscular, united and meaningful way, worldwide, with as much energy as can be rallied by the Islamic Muslims when condemning cartoons for example, then make it clear and loud they condemn actions taken in thier name.

I know you will object that they do this, but with not nearly enough enthusiasm, instead of googling to find condemnations they should be on the evening news, hundreds of them from all over the world united in condemning ISIS.  Instead we tend to get (when they can be found) wishy washy and qualified statements with the weasel words, they are not Muslims.  When patently, they are, Muslim.  It's silly to deny that they are not. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Good point data- people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do.

So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-cameron-iraq-video

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

To be fair I would prefer more Muslims stand up and in a muscular, united and meaningful way, worldwide, with as much energy as can be rallied by the Islamic Muslims when condemning cartoons for example, then make it clear and loud they condemn actions taken in thier name.

So you want the mainstream peaceful muslims to become violent and extreme - just like the people they are condemning?

Yeah, that makes sense.  :P

Muslims "prove" their loyalty to Australia and aversion to extremism in their every day behaviour - doing their jobs, taking their kids to school, contributing to mainstream society in a positive, productive way - just being normal and peaceful like everyone else. And yes, thats what the vast majority of muslims do - go about their lives peacefully and productively. They have earned their right to be respected and treated the same as any other contributing member of society. They have as much connection to the terrorists in Iraq as you or Yadda - and unless they had some direct involvement in the sponsoring or passage of the fighters over there - which 99+% of Australian muslims don't - then they have precisely zero responsibility over them.

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities.  If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit".

So what the hell do you expect?

"err yeah - these guys are actually upstanding muslims - we are the fakes - sorry 'bout that"  :P

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:15pm: To be fair I would prefer more Muslims stand up and in a muscular, united and meaningful way, worldwide, with as much energy as can be rallied by the Islamic Muslims when condemning cartoons for example, then make it clear and loud they condemn actions taken in thier name. So you want the mainstream peaceful muslims to become violent and extreme - just like the people they are condemning? Yeah, that makes sense.  :P

When people rephrase a statement starting with "So..." You can be sure you are about to witness a work of fiction.

I didn't actually say that mainstream Muslims should become violent and extreme just that if as much effort by Muslims went into condemning Islamic atrocities as cartoons then you might have a chance at turning the negative PR around.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:06pm: If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities.  If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit". So what the hell do you expect? "err yeah - these guys are actually upstanding muslims - we are the fakes - sorry 'bout that"  :P

What the hell do I expect?  Nothing much, I expect the train crash to continue but calling them fakes is not cutting it in case you have not noticed.  I wouldn't actually call them upstanding Muslims, but they are definitely Muslim and denying that they are is laughable and looks like duplicity and denial.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Muslims "prove" their loyalty to Australia and aversion to extremism in their every day behaviour - doing their jobs, taking their kids to school, contributing to mainstream society in a positive, productive way - just being normal and peaceful like everyone else. And yes, thats what the vast majority of muslims do - go about their lives peacefully and productively. They have earned their right to be respected and treated the same as any other contributing member of society. They have as much connection to the terrorists in Iraq as you or Yadda - and unless they had some direct involvement in the sponsoring or passage of the fighters over there - which 99+% of Australian muslims don't - then they have precisely zero responsibility over them.

I used to do briefs and do nothing is always an option.  Not usually a good one, it hardly ever addresses the problem to be solved but it is always an option.  8-)

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:40pm:

Datalife wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:06pm: If you had your listening ears on you would realise that out there, "they are not real Muslims" no longer cuts it as an excuse for Islamic atrocities.  If anything it is becoming a chortle worthy parody. But no doubt it will continue to be the plaintive call, "nuffin to do with Islam innit". So what the hell do you expect? "err yeah - these guys are actually upstanding muslims - we are the fakes - sorry 'bout that"  :P

Do you think it will help if you tell the truth or will you lose any credibility when caught out telling lies?

Who are the munafiqs (hypocrites) in the Quran?

For the record i think Ahmadis are muslims even though mainstream Islam persecutes them and rejects them as deviant heretics

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Good point data- people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do. So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters? http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-cameron-iraq-video

No reply from our resident Muslim apologist.

eagle eyes, you can turn things around to make a real video look fake or vicera versa. Tell you one thing though. There was nothing fake about those thousands who were trapped on that mountain without food or water whilst ISIS starved them out; that is until allied air force intervention.

And there is nothing fake about the continuing genocides ISIS carry out in their path of destruction, they would make Hitler proud.

PS They are about to get their sorry arses kicked in the very near future  8-) 

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 3:55pm:

if as much effort by Muslims went into condemning Islamic atrocities as cartoons then you might have a chance at turning the negative PR around.

There were less than 200 violent muslim demonstrators at Australia's one and only Muhammad film protest.

Yesterday there was 5 times as many muslims at a BBQ gathering, organised by muslims, to stand up against islamic extremism.

No doubt you were too busy rolling your eyes to notice.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:22pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Good point data- people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do. So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters? http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-cameron-iraq-video No reply from our resident Muslim apologist.

Of course not Bobby - as you no doubt detected from the tone of my posts, I'm totally in love with those upstanding IS guys  :P

Datalife wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

What the hell do I expect?  Nothing much, I expect the train crash to continue but calling them fakes is not cutting it in case you have not noticed.  I wouldn't actually call them upstanding Muslims, but they are definitely Muslim and denying that they are is laughable and looks like duplicity and denial.

Thats a bit of a strawman - I don't think there's been any muslims claiming they are not muslim. What we do say though is their behaviour is not islamic - and thats an important distinction. And I also resent the insinuation that we should disguise what we actually believe, and instead come out and say something else entirely - just because its more "strategic". God knows we get enough "taqiyya" bullshit as it is.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:22pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Good point data- people like you spend half their time condemning mainstream muslims for not standing up against the extremists, and the rest of your time rolling your eyes at them when they do. So you agree that they are not Muslims but monsters? http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/14/isis-muslims-monsters-david-cameron-iraq-video No reply from our resident Muslim apologist. Of course not Bobby - as you no doubt detected from the tone of my posts, I'm totally in love with those upstanding IS guys  :P

They have certainly given your lot a bad name.

I doubt you walk down the street with that towel on now?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:33pm:

I doubt you walk down the street with that towel on now?

what the hell is that even supposed to mean?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:33pm: I doubt you walk down the street with that towel on now? what the hell is that even supposed to mean?

That thing on your head -

you know the towel that's wrapped around your ears?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

I don't think there's been any muslims claiming they are not muslim. What we do say though is their behaviour is not islamic - and thats an important distinction.

What is unislamic about their behaviour, are they following the example of their beloved profit?

Does the Quran tell you to follow Mohammad's example?

How can their behaviour be unislamic when they are following Muhammad's example?

journos are scum

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 2:41pm:

[David Cameron....] They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people - Christians, Muslims, minorities across Iraq and Syria. They boast of their brutality. They claim to do this in the name of Islam. That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace. They are not Muslims, they are monsters.

They are moslem monsters, and David Cameron is a worm.

All moslems, are wanna-be murderers - it is as plain as the nose on your face.

Mohammed, the prophet of ISLAM, whom all moslems revere, [reputedly] said this;


"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg

Happy moslems, because they are doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah's cause, by killing apostates.



What is not to despise, about the person who chooses to declare;

"I am a moslem!

Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

????

Dictionary;
despise = = feel contempt or repugnance for.






Yadda said.....

Quote:

All moslems are wanna-be murderers - it is as plain as the nose on your face. ISLAM should be a declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Any person who self declares as a 'moslem' should be expelled from Australia, or, [for the national security and safety of Australia] lawfully held in internment until they can be removed from Australia. Just examine the religious philosophy societal philosophy which all moslems endorse and have choosen to embrace and to empower!!!..... "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...." Koran 3.85 "And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..." Koran 2.193 "Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...." hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196 +++ Please watch this YT... Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi - Ex-President of Egypt "The Koran is our constitution" "The Prophet Muhammad is our leader" "Jihad is our path" "AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg "What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy, when kafir get killed." Please watch this YT... Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0 Please watch this YT... A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing; YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Cameron on Islamic State’s claim to be Islamic: “Nonsense, Islam is a religion of peace”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/cameron-on-islamic-states-claim-to-be-islamic-nonsense-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace



Such a declaration, by a Western political leader, is repugnant, imo.


Dictionary;
repugnant = =
1 extremely distasteful; unacceptable.
2 in conflict with; incompatible with.

Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Cameron on Islamic State’s claim to be Islamic: “Nonsense, Islam is a religion of peace” http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/cameron-on-islamic-states-claim-to-be-islamic-nonsense-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace

David Cameron is absolutely wrong in what he is declaring.

And history will record the politicians of this age [and all political leaders of this age, like David Cameron], to be self-serving [cowardly] worms.





With regard to ISLAM, and with regard to ISLAM's [intentional] malevolent intent towards ALL persons who are not moslems,...
American citizens are coming to see how the wool is being pulled over their eyes, by their own political leaders, in regards to what ISLAM is.......

Wath the YTube.....

Bill Maher Battles Charlie Rose on Why Islam is More Dangerous than Other Religions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw

SOURCE DOCUMENT, for Bill Maher / Charlie Rose YT....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/bill-maher-to-claim-that-islam-is-like-other-religions-is-just-naive-and-plain-wrongi

What ISLAM is.

Just examine the religious philosophy societal philosophy which all moslems endorse and have choosen to embrace and to empower!!!.....


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196