'you won't see any muslim denouncing this'

'muslims only outraged about being victimised'

The usual crap we hear being screeched whenever these media circuses happen.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lakemba-protest-by-muslims-who-believe-australian-terror-raids-were-unjust-policing/story-fnj3rq0y-1227062988666


Quote:

There were about 100 people at Lakemba station for the protest in response to what organisers say is the Federal Government’s heavy-handed approach to the raids, which resulted in 15 arrests.

About 100 people turned up to this much publisised (and widely condemned) peaceful protest - out of an anticipated 2500 by the protest organisers. Or in other words, a gigantic flop.

To put this into context, this was about 10 times less muslims than those attended at the weekends "muslims 4 Australia" BBQ - organised to reaffirm muslim's rejection of extremism and solidarity with the wider Australian community.

As for the incessant claims that no mainstream leaders are standing up against all this.

Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts.

His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

I don't think the msm are allowed to ask the Islam leaders otherwise you'd see them on Q&A and other ABC or SBS programs. The powers to be don't want the word getting out that it's only a few radicals that cause trouble, that would up-end their agenda entirely.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

I don't think the msm are allowed to ask the Islam leaders otherwise you'd see them on Q&A and other ABC or SBS programs. The powers to be don't want the word getting out that it's only a few radicals that cause trouble, that would up-end their agenda entirely.

What planet are you on?

I've never seen a section of the community that has so many leaders.

There would have been at least 5 or 6 interviewed about the raids on the news last night.

::)

Quote:

JAMAL RIFI: Well, look, there is that fear in the community. I wouldn't say it's widespread. But if someone is going to accuse anyone, I reckon the barbaric state is the one who should be accused, because they have targeted in their propaganda campaign our young people in the last two years and used our religion, our peaceful religion as a tool for their political campaign. And if anyone is making our young people to have and harbour these thought and intent to do any damage to anyone in Australia, it is the barbaric state propaganda and it's not the Government. Nevertheless, we need to interact with the Government because there will be set of laws that going to be presented in front of Parliament very soon and we need to discuss the implication of these law on day-to-day activities of ordinary citizen who are in majority are going to be of Islamic faith.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm



'Our peaceful religion' ???



gandalf,

It is not difficult to prove that there are many places within ISLAM's own foundation texts, the Koran and the Hadith, which give the lie to moslem protestations [e.g. like the lie which has been - WILFULLY - uttered by JAMAL RIFI], that ISLAM is a peaceful religion.

It is very, very apparent, that ISLAM does COMMAND moslems, to oppress and to persecute and to kill, disbelievers, because they are not moslems.




gandalf,

When are you moslems going to start telling the truth, about the type of relationship which ISLAM mandates that the moslem must have, with all disbelievers ?

Never ?




THE TRUTH IS;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."


THE TRUTH IS THAT;

Every moslem expresses reverence for Mohammed - THE WARMONGER.

Why is that ?






ISLAMIC law texts - pronouncing death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260





Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196

"Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims"



Nothing is debunked about - LYING - mainstream moslems.

All moslems are malicious, filthy lying dogs, who are intentionally misrepresenting ISLAM, to naive non-moslems.








Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

How many non-Muslims turned up to the Lakemba anti-government terrorism initiatives protest?

None?

That's the difference, and it's the only difference that matters.

Well over 100 different ethnicities in Sydney ~ yet none of them joined the protest in support.

What does this tell us?

It's the same with the jihadists who want to mass-murder us at our sporting venues, etc. It doesn't take the whole Muslim community to carry out those actions. It only needs a few from the Muslim Community.

I don't go to restaurants where the government's Food Inspectors tolerate the occasional fatality from food poisoning because they don't want to upset the 'sensitivities' of the chef's ethnic community if he were to be shut down.

It is utterly appalling ~ and revealing ~ that Muslims in Australia are coming together to protest the government's efforts to winkle out the killers amongst them.

"Oh, but why US? Why not any other ethnic community?"

Yeah! S'not fair!

Why not the Chinese community? Or the Hare Krishna community? Or the Kookaburra Fanciers Association?

Come on, gandalf. There's no getting away from the fact we are all having to deal with a phenomenon that has its direct link with fundamentalist Islam.

The more you struggle against this reality, the more you tighten the knots that bind you to a false loyalty.  8-)

****

We ain't seen nothin' yet from our government, but this is all about to change.

Their sense of security has been breached by word that they have become a target.

The Fury of the Valkyries is now about to descend upon Australia's mosques, prayer halls, Islamic schools, bookshops, health studios, ghetto neighbourhoods, etc. No stone will be left unturned now that it is the politicians themselves who are under threat.

And it's about bloody time.

gandalf
Quote:

.........Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts. His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm.....

good on him

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

Good on him.  Where are the death threats coming from?  Surely not from other adherents of the religion of peace?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

good on him

His efforts have exposed for all to see the lie that says this threat does not have its origins in the Muslim community and the barbarian religion they take their authority from.

Rifi is simply confirming that the problem is nothing other than successive Australian governments having stupidly introduced Islam into our national life.

But the good news is that at long last a group of our Australian Muslims is turning their attention to bombing the federal parliament.

Now that they fear for their own lives, this could presage the beginning of some very serious thinking on the part of our politicians. It's amazing how a shift in perspective can concentrate the mind.

Watch this space. We live in interesting times.

Yabba wrote-
Quote:

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

How many gods do bible bashers believe in  Einstein? ::)

For every line you want to pull out of the Koran there is an example in the bible like an eye for an eye, you must be blind by now, Yabba. Don't bother giving me the Old Testament sh it, if the bible bashers that follow the jubus fairy tale didn't accept the Old Testament they would have discarded it. ::)
All religion is a dumb crutch for people afraid of dying.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:00am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: good on him His efforts have exposed for all to see the lie that says this threat does not have its origins in the Muslim community and the barbarian religion they take their authority from. Rifi is simply confirming that the problem is nothing other than successive Australian governments having stupidly introduced Islam into our national life. But the good news is that at long last a group of our Australian Muslims is turning their attention to bombing the federal parliament. Now that they fear for their own lives, this could presage the beginning of some very serious thinking on the part of our politicians. It's amazing how a shift in perspective can concentrate the mind. Watch this space. We live in interesting times.

Currently their focus remains on getting that pay check, once their children become the targets to getting the message across some may think past themselves!

Everyone - take a chill pill -

Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims.

Datalife wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 8:38am: He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm Good on him.  Where are the death threats coming from?  Surely not from other adherents of the religion of peace?

Well, they're certainly not coming from my local White Boys down here in the Deep South... or even our Black neighbours...

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:00am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 10:22am: good on him His efforts have exposed for all to see the lie that says this threat does not have its origins in the Muslim community and the barbarian religion they take their authority from. Rifi is simply confirming that the problem is nothing other than successive Australian governments having stupidly introduced Islam into our national life. But the good news is that at long last a group of our Australian Muslims is turning their attention to bombing the federal parliament. Now that they fear for their own lives, this could presage the beginning of some very serious thinking on the part of our politicians. It's amazing how a shift in perspective can concentrate the mind. Watch this space. We live in interesting times. Currently their focus remains on getting that pay check, once their children become the targets to getting the message across some may think past themselves!

Tony's got three daughters.. I would trust he doesn't want them to be converted to I-Slam... or used as an example of what radical can and will do given the chance.

The radical elements need to be torn out root and branch, and the 'mainstream' introduced as near totally as possible to OUR standards and values.

Any non-peaceful ones are welcome to discuss the issue with Allah personally..... after all, that's the general thrust of 'jurisprudence' in those countries governed by Sharia etc law - if we make a mistake, Allah will set it right in Paradise.... so send 'em all to the wall.

reprise:-

Allah:- "So Makmud bin Peasluva.. why are you here out of turn?"

Machmud:-  "The ayatollah decided I'd committed a sin based on false evidence, and I was shot like a dog."

Allah:-  "Ah, I see.  Let me check the records.  Oh, yes, that Ayatollah makes a few mistakes.. one of which is assuming that voice in his head is Me.... I'll need to have a chat with him and soon.  Meantime, accept fifty extra virgins and flowing wines for Eternity.. virgins have a one-use.. fire and forget - so the supply is endless... It's that old Allah magic."

Mahmud:-  "Thank you, O Great One.  I am your true servant!"

Allah:-  "Jabriel... get me that Obama character on the line.. we need some A-10s on call... for that Ayatollah.  He needs a good shot up the arse, sort of a dose of salts."

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims.

It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap.

Quote:

The Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, and leaders of a number of Muslim community organisations have called for calm following the terror raids and protests. They also released a statement to reassure Australians “they have nothing to fear from their Muslim neighbours who want peace and security for everyone regardless of religion”.

This quote was  hidden in the hysterics of Muslim bashing stories on the MUD press. ::)
Easy to see the gutless maggots that would hide under a bed should anything happen in this country, they're the ones spreading the lies all Muslims should be feared. ::)

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap.

It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that, like many Australians, Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. That's because your mind, like most on the left, is totally consumed beyond any other consideration by hatred for Abbott.
What a narrow view of the world!

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Quote: The Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, and leaders of a number of Muslim community organisations have called for calm following the terror raids and protests. They also released a statement to reassure Australians “they have nothing to fear from their Muslim neighbours who want peace and security for everyone regardless of religion”. This quote was  hidden in the hysterics of Muslim bashing stories on the MUD press. ::) Easy to see the gutless maggots that would hide under a bed should anything happen in this country, they're the ones spreading the lies all Muslims should be feared. ::)

The ones hiding under their beds in their all white enclaves would be the multiculturalists. They don't live near muslims.

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: Quote: The Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, and leaders of a number of Muslim community organisations have called for calm following the terror raids and protests. They also released a statement to reassure Australians “they have nothing to fear from their Muslim neighbours who want peace and security for everyone regardless of religion”. This quote was  hidden in the hysterics of Muslim bashing stories on the MUD press. ::) Easy to see the gutless maggots that would hide under a bed should anything happen in this country, they're the ones spreading the lies all Muslims should be feared. ::) The ones hiding under their beds in their all white enclaves would be the multiculturalists. They don't live near muslims.

Oh no, I wouldn't live near them, that's for the poor fools that vote for Abbott and inhabit the cruddy burbs of Western Sydney Thankyou very much. :P

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:41am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: Quote: The Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, and leaders of a number of Muslim community organisations have called for calm following the terror raids and protests. They also released a statement to reassure Australians “they have nothing to fear from their Muslim neighbours who want peace and security for everyone regardless of religion”. This quote was  hidden in the hysterics of Muslim bashing stories on the MUD press. ::) Easy to see the gutless maggots that would hide under a bed should anything happen in this country, they're the ones spreading the lies all Muslims should be feared. ::) The ones hiding under their beds in their all white enclaves would be the multiculturalists. They don't live near muslims. Oh no, I wouldn't live near them, that's for the poor fools that vote for Abbott and inhabit the cruddy burbs of Western Sydney Thankyou very much. :P

I thought you were one of those 'distant" multiculturalists  skiddy.

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat.

No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you.

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you.

LOL

That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung.

Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D

I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

gandalf Quote: .........Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts. His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm..... good on him

Good on him ??? !!!!


sprint,

How can you have any confidence, in even a single word that Dr Jamal Rifi utters regarding the character of the wider moslem community in Australia, when Dr Jamal Rifi LIED to all Australians last night, about the fundamental nature of ISLAM ???

Dr Jamal Rifi, like every moslem, keeps repeating the mantra that is a LIE [that moslems always spout], "ISLAM is a peaceful religion".

Can't you understand that Dr Jamal Rifi [a moslem] is continuing to intentionally misrepresent ISLAM, to uninformed and naive Australians [i.e. non-moslems].



see my post #3

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps.

You don't have to worry about the whole issue because Western Sydney is too low class for you to live and it's massive multiculturalism so you are out of harms way, hey  skiddy.

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps.

Which of course is nothing to do with what you wrote that i responded to.

Enjoy your padded room.

8-)

They should all just go to the pub, get pissed, have a few games of pool, watch the footy, have a couple of punts on the gee gees and chill out.....then get a kebab on the way home

2000 years being on the wagon.....no wonder they want to murder everyone and sundry... :D

Swagman wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

They should all just go to the pub, get pissed, have a few games of pool, watch the footy, have a couple of punts on the gee gees and chill out.....then get a kebab on the way home 2000 years being on the wagon.....no wonder they want to murder everyone and sundry... :D

Finally the voice of reason......

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:59am: King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps. You don't have to worry about the whole issue because Western Sydney is too low class for you to live and it's massive multiculturalism so you are out of harms way, hey  skiddy.

Oh yes, quite right. I'll defend them till the day I die but I couldn't bare to live among all those bogans that Muslims share burbs with. I'll leave that to the likes of you. 8-)

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:59am: King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps. Which of course is nothing to do with what you wrote that i responded to. Enjoy your padded room. 8-)

It has everything to do with what I wrote,though I'm not surprised you're too stupid to link it.

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:02pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:59am: King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps. You don't have to worry about the whole issue because Western Sydney is too low class for you to live and it's massive multiculturalism so you are out of harms way, hey  skiddy. Oh yes, quite right. I'll defend them till the day I die but I couldn't bare to live among all those bogans that Muslims share burbs with. I'll leave that to the likes of you. 8-)

So you are a snotty long distance multiculturalist who thinks he's better than everybody. What a dilluded skidmark you are skiddy.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims.

;D ;D

The only people we've seen Abbott crawling to since he got elected is to our 'Muslim Community'.

Death threats don't come from any other community or organisation.

He knows who to tread carefully with. The Damoclese Sword above his head is suspended there at the mercy of the Muslim community.

Every one of our political leaders has switched their attitude from barking Rottweiler to yapping chihuahua when faced with our Muslim 'Community Leaders'.

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:11pm: jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:02pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:59am: King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps. You don't have to worry about the whole issue because Western Sydney is too low class for you to live and it's massive multiculturalism so you are out of harms way, hey  skiddy. Oh yes, quite right. I'll defend them till the day I die but I couldn't bare to live among all those bogans that Muslims share burbs with. I'll leave that to the likes of you. 8-) So you are a snotty long distance multiculturalist who thinks he's better than everybody. What a dilluded skidmark you are skiddy.

Oh now, not all, I don't think I'm better than everybody....Just the likes of you and your fellow bogans. 8-)

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:16pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:11pm: jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 12:02pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:59am: King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:53am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:47am: bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that,  Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. No it wouldn't, that maggot only cares about getting off the bottom rung, he's hated he hopes this will get him votes from the losers that believe this propganda, it's working look at you. LOL That's why the ALP are so keen to support him. They want Abbott off the bottom rung. Move along, nothing retarded to see here. :D :D I support the detention and arrest of terrorists, like the ALP, I don't support lumping all Muslims into the terrorist category like the retards  here. Enjoy eating your garbage scraps. You don't have to worry about the whole issue because Western Sydney is too low class for you to live and it's massive multiculturalism so you are out of harms way, hey  skiddy. Oh yes, quite right. I'll defend them till the day I die but I couldn't bare to live among all those bogans that Muslims share burbs with. I'll leave that to the likes of you. 8-) So you are a snotty long distance multiculturalist who thinks he's better than everybody. What a dilluded skidmark you are skiddy. Oh now, not all, I don't think I'm better than everybody....Just the likes of you and your fellow bogans. 8-)

Well me and  my fellow bogan friends don't think you even add up to dried s hit skiddy the snot.

Swagman wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

They should all just go to the pub, get pissed, have a few games of pool, watch the footy, have a couple of punts on the gee gees and chill out.....then get a kebab on the way home 2000 years being on the wagon.....no wonder they want to murder everyone and sundry... :D

we had an Iranian woman come to one of our courses.  she drank alcohol like no one I have ever seen. every night she was out drinking about 2am.  apparently most muslims waiti until their plan exits their country and then they drink and drink and drink and drink...

I had a Muslim as customer in the brew shop. He distilled. His Muslim wife didn’t object.

Think too many stereotyp muslims.

As for “Abbott will protect us from the Muslims” what a flipping crawling!

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:29pm:

I had a Muslim as customer in the brew shop. He distilled. His Muslim wife didn’t object. Think too many stereotyp muslims. As for “Abbott will protect us from the Muslims” what a flipping crawling!

Probably say the muso equivalent to "three hail marys" and all is forgiven.

No, they knew it was contrary to the teaching. I gently stirred him a bit about it.

Don’t stereotype—that is lazy thinking. Leave that to Herbert and the fanbois.

It is only the Catholics that have confession and absolution.

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 5:29pm: I had a Muslim as customer in the brew shop. He distilled. His Muslim wife didn’t object. Think too many stereotyp muslims. As for “Abbott will protect us from the Muslims” what a flipping crawling! Probably say the muso equivalent to "three hail marys" and all is forgiven.

mind you, thes story is probably made up.  telling 'stories' is George-of-jungles expertise.  and it might have been an ASIO undercover agent as well under the order of Tony Abbott to get some information about George 007.

There was a fellow with his family pacing up and down the street, shouting while the news cameras were showing us the ASIO and AFP take-down of these suspected terrorists across the street from him:

"I am (a) Muslim and I'm not (a) terrorist!"

"So okay ~ go home", we all thought.

It's incredible how many Muslims are in denial that this terrorism has its source in Islam.

And it's all their own fault.

They have a system in which any Muslim can mount a platform and start preaching whatever the bugger he likes, and if the congregation likes what they're hearing ~ then he becomes the 'imam' to the local neighbourhood and anyone else who wants to come over and listen to him.

And so the consequences of this delinquent system is that there's no internal restraint upon the hothead imams and the radical hate preachers.

There's no excommunication or 'de-frocking' of imams who preach a particularly virulent form of Islam.

And then our Muslim leaders, such as this 'Rifi' character, try to sell us the fiction that these radicalised youths are not a product of Islamic preaching.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

There was a fellow with his family pacing up and down the street, shouting while the news cameras were showing us the ASIO and AFP take-down of these suspected terrorists across the street from him: "I am (a) Muslim and I'm not (a) terrorist!" "So okay ~ go home", we all thought. It's incredible how many Muslims are in denial that this terrorism has its source in Islam. And it's all their own fault. They have a system in which any Muslim can mount a platform and start preaching whatever the bugger he likes, and if the congregation likes what they're hearing ~ then he becomes the 'imam' to the local neighbourhood and anyone else who wants to come over and listen to him. And so the consequences of this delinquent system is that there's no internal restraint upon the hothead imams and the radical hate preachers. There's no excommunication or 'de-frocking' of imams who preach a particularly virulent form of Islam. And then our Muslim leaders, such as this 'Rifi' character, try to sell us the fiction that these radicalised youths are not a product of Islamic preaching.

there is certainly a large amount of denial in the muslim community.  continually yelling 'religion of peace' is only doing them massive harm since it is so clearly not true.  they would be better to accept that there are some seriously radicalised elements in their religion and deal with it rather than pretend it isn't so. at the very least they would at least look honest. for now, they strident claims of what is so blatantly false makes them either look stupid or suspicious.  truth and honesty would go a long way towards improving relations.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

There was a fellow with his family pacing up and down the street, shouting while the news cameras were showing us the ASIO and AFP take-down of these suspected terrorists across the street from him: "I am (a) Muslim and I'm not (a) terrorist!" "So okay ~ go home", we all thought. It's incredible how many Muslims are in denial that this terrorism has its source in Islam. And it's all their own fault. They have a system in which any Muslim can mount a platform and start preaching whatever the bugger he likes, and if the congregation likes what they're hearing ~ then he becomes the 'imam' to the local neighbourhood and anyone else who wants to come over and listen to him. And so the consequences of this delinquent system is that there's no internal restraint upon the hothead imams and the radical hate preachers. There's no excommunication or 'de-frocking' of imams who preach a particularly virulent form of Islam. And then our Muslim leaders, such as this 'Rifi' character, try to sell us the fiction that these radicalised youths are not a product of Islamic preaching.

Moslems in Australia are bringing [to Australia], what ISLAM, and moslems ['guided' by ISLAM], bring to every single nation that moslems inhabit in significant numbers.

Society-wide human confusion, inter-societal conflict, injustice, human poverty, and violence.

It is not possible to live along side moslems, and not be infected [and affected] by the perverse 'sickness' which is in the moslem psyche.



And this curse upon us, is courtesy of, NOT MOSLEMS, but our political leaders and policy makers, who have no sense.



Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.   good judgement or taste.




http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/car-burn-make.jpg
Our Australian future, courtesy of our political leaders and policy makers


THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 5:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 5:29pm: I had a Muslim as customer in the brew shop. He distilled. His Muslim wife didn’t object. Think too many stereotyp muslims. As for “Abbott will protect us from the Muslims” what a flipping crawling! Probably say the muso equivalent to "three hail marys" and all is forgiven. mind you, thes story is probably made up.  telling 'stories' is George-of-jungles expertise.  and it might have been an ASIO undercover agent as well under the order of Tony Abbott to get some information about George 007.

Calling me a liar again, worm?

Well, you are safe enough here, I can’t verify it but that customer was there nonetheless.

I had another customer always had black nail polish on. Looked good on him.

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap.

You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top.

Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night
& asked politely to speak to the person of interest?

And what were the helicopters for?

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St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

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Funny pic - can't get it to display.

On my phpBB3 board it displays as a pic but the IMG tags here don’t work.

Love how it puts the boot into the IPA  ;D

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:49pm:

On my phpBB3 board it displays as a pic but the IMG tags here don’t work. Love how it puts the boot into the IPA  ;D

I think it's funny how everything gets turned into some kind of messianic message -

in this case with Tony as our saviour.


he is forgiven

namaste

Tony as Saviour bwahahahahahahahahah!

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 4:08am:

Tony as Saviour bwahahahahahahahahah!

Don't laugh.

Now that he and his co-pollies are targeted for jihadi retribution, he and his ministers may feel motivated to take the kid-gloves off and start implementing some new laws that have balls on them so far as ensuring our safety from our 'home-growns'.

For instance, it's a given that a percentage of Muslim immigrants and refugees bring with them the potential for becoming radicalised enemies against Australians. This may be themselves and/or their Australian-born children.

This is not true of any of the other 100+ ethnicities arriving on our shores as migrants.

It is a phenomenon peculiar to those identifying as Muslims. It's among this religious group that a percentage develop the ambition for becoming Warriors for Islam against our good selves and anyone in the Middle East who doesn't cleave to a strict version of Islam.

Now, with this knowledge, Abbott has some very easy choices to make if he can find it within himself to ignore the 'Muslim Vote' ~ and that shouldn't be too difficult considering that the bulk of the Muslim community vote 'Labor' anyway.

Has Abbott got the 'ticker' to call a halt to the 40-year rot that has had its source within our Muslim community?

I very much doubt it. He'll see his Christian credentials as not allowing him to move against another religious community in any shape or form.

He would leave a proud memorial to his political career if he were to place a moratorium on any further Muslim immigration for the foreseeable future. Such a legacy would have Australia's future mainstream generations eternally grateful to him.

It would embolden Britain, France and others to follow suit and spare themselves further Islamisation from decades more of Muslim immigration.

Everyone can see the prognosis for the future of our society if the gates aren't slammed shut to further Muslim immigration.

Oh come on Herbert—surely you see this is just monkey trying to lift his ratings?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for?

you're joking, right?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 10:43pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for? you're joking, right?

Just watched ABC 24 & they sort of agree with what I wrote - it was a bit over the top.

Was interested this morning to view the latest example of the feeding frenzy in the media:-

"Security raised after terrorist raids"...

Now - I don't know what you think, but when I see 'terrorist raids' I immediately think 'wow, someone bombed the Opera House!' or whatever.  It sounds like we, Australians, have already been attacked instead of some dimwit arrested over stupid phone chat and another on weapons charges!

It seems the raids were those by authorities on houses.... but the media is applying a slant to this .. spin... that is actually creating this climate of fear.

When this happens, it raises a red flag for me....

I started a poll:

Was kicking doors in at 4am over the top?


In reference to my post here:


Quote:

You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for?

First time post so be gentle!  ;D

My parents were self employed and working their backsides off when I was a little girl so I spent a lot of time with my grandparents who would babysit me everyday. They were migrants of the world war 2 generation from war torn Europe. Both of them being left displaced because of the decisions made by a handful of politicians. They came to Australia to make a better life for themselves and they did.

Their next door neighbour was a muslim and from the same part of Europe that my Grandmother was from. Over 45 years he became family and still is to this day. He would drive my grandmother to hospital to visit my grandfather when she needed it. He always made time to talk to me and laugh and joke and give me lollies and cordial. When my grandmother died 3 years ago he was such strong support for us. When his mother died, we sat with him and the body until she could be buried as is Islamic ritual. None of us had a problem, he would wish us a Merry Christmas and Happy Easter and we would celebrate EID with him.

The sad thing is these people in Sydney and Brisbane who were caught on Thursday are not good muslims. The islam that my neighbour showed me was a peace loving and gentle one. He is as sickened at this as all Australians are. I do believe there is a problem in Australia with growing extremism and I think the AFP were right to do what they did. Its just a shame that these extremists represent islam this day because its definitely not the islam I saw every day as a child.  :'(

David Icke has a take on all this:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/116537.David_Icke


Quote:

The reason we are so controlled is not that we don't have the power to decide our own destiny, it is that we give that power away every minute of our lives. When something happens that we don't like, we look for someone else to blame. When there is a problem in the world, we say "What are they going to do about it". At which point they, who have secretly created the problem in the first place, respond to this demand by introducing a 'solution' - more centralisation of power and erosion of freedom. If you want to give more powers to the police, security agencies and military, and you want the public to demand you do it, then ensure there is more crime, violence and terrorism, and then it's a cinch to achieve your aims. Once the people are in fear of being burgled, mugged or bombed, they will demand that you take their freedom away to protect them from what they have been manipulated to fear. The Oklahoma bombing is a classic of this kind, as I detail in ..And The Truth Shall Set You Free. I call this technique problem-reaction-solution. Create the problem, encourage the reaction "something must be done", and then offer the solution. It is summed up by the Freemason motto 'Ordo Ab Chao' -order out of chaos. Create the chaos and then offer the way to restore order. Your order. The masses are herded and directed by many and varios forms of emotional and mental control. It is the only way it coud be done.” ― David Icke

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

I started a poll: Was kicking doors in at 4am over the top? In reference to my post here: Quote: You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for?

Bobby I can't believe I've just read this?..

Gypsygirl wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:35am:

First time post so be gentle!  ;D My parents were self employed and working their backsides off when I was a little girl so I spent a lot of time with my grandparents who would babysit me everyday. They were migrants of the world war 2 generation from war torn Europe. Both of them being left displaced because of the decisions made by a handful of politicians. They came to Australia to make a better life for themselves and they did. Their next door neighbour was a muslim and from the same part of Europe that my Grandmother was from. Over 45 years he became family and still is to this day. He would drive my grandmother to hospital to visit my grandfather when she needed it. He always made time to talk to me and laugh and joke and give me lollies and cordial. When my grandmother died 3 years ago he was such strong support for us. When his mother died, we sat with him and the body until she could be buried as is Islamic ritual. None of us had a problem, he would wish us a Merry Christmas and Happy Easter and we would celebrate EID with him. The sad thing is these people in Sydney and Brisbane who were caught on Thursday are not good muslims. The islam that my neighbour showed me was a peace loving and gentle one. He is as sickened at this as all Australians are. I do believe there is a problem in Australia with growing extremism and I think the AFP were right to do what they did. Its just a shame that these extremists represent islam this day because its definitely not the islam I saw every day as a child.  :'(

I'll take that as a comment.

brumbie wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:19am: I started a poll: Was kicking doors in at 4am over the top? In reference to my post here: Quote: You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for? Bobby I can't believe I've just read this?..

Well then vote no in the poll.

I am interested to see what the poll will reveal.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

Gypsygirl wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:35am: First time post so be gentle!  ;D My parents were self employed and working their backsides off when I was a little girl so I spent a lot of time with my grandparents who would babysit me everyday. They were migrants of the world war 2 generation from war torn Europe. Both of them being left displaced because of the decisions made by a handful of politicians. They came to Australia to make a better life for themselves and they did. Their next door neighbour was a muslim and from the same part of Europe that my Grandmother was from. Over 45 years he became family and still is to this day. He would drive my grandmother to hospital to visit my grandfather when she needed it. He always made time to talk to me and laugh and joke and give me lollies and cordial. When my grandmother died 3 years ago he was such strong support for us. When his mother died, we sat with him and the body until she could be buried as is Islamic ritual. None of us had a problem, he would wish us a Merry Christmas and Happy Easter and we would celebrate EID with him. The sad thing is these people in Sydney and Brisbane who were caught on Thursday are not good muslims. The islam that my neighbour showed me was a peace loving and gentle one. He is as sickened at this as all Australians are. I do believe there is a problem in Australia with growing extremism and I think the AFP were right to do what they did. Its just a shame that these extremists represent islam this day because its definitely not the islam I saw every day as a child.  :'( I'll take that as a comment.

Huh? I voted No for what its worth.

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap.

You suggest Tony abbott should just shut up about it and pretend that these threats are not there giving whats going on, giving the spiteful and bitter hate that these moslems have against ordinary australians, just because he might get some political benefit, would you say the same thing if kevin rudd was still in power and did the same thing tony abbott has done now  ???

800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of
Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold....

Two minor charges were laid.

stryder wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:53am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. You suggest Tony abbott should just shut up about it and pretend that these threats are not there giving whats going on, giving the spiteful and bitter hate that these moslems have against ordinary australians, just because he might get some political benefit, would you say the same thing if kevin rudd was still in power and did the same thing tony abbott has done now  ???

How would I know what Rudd would have done?

I am concerned that the police may have put many Muslims - who could be helpful
in fighting against the terrorists -  now off side -
therefore these kick door in raids could prove to be counter-productive.

Make no mistake: if anyone is involved in terrorism they should be hanged in public.

That's what we really need here - the death penalty.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid.

Oh you make it sound like a scene from star wars of the marching stormtroopers and darth vader,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

stryder wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:04am: 800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid. Oh you make it sound like a scene from star wars of the marching stormtroopers and darth vader,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

They did the same thing to Kim.Com in New Zealand -

helicopters - kick door in raid - armed police -

all over a copyright infringement.

They could have just knocked on his door.

Gypsygirl wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:35am:

Its just a shame that these extremists represent islam this day because its definitely not the islam I saw every day as a child.  :'(

Beautiful post, Gypsygirl. Thank you, and welcome to the Board.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

stryder wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:07am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:04am: 800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid. Oh you make it sound like a scene from star wars of the marching stormtroopers and darth vader,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D They did the same thing to Kim.Com in New Zealand - helicopters - kick door in raid - armed police - all over a copyright infringement. They could have just knocked on his door.

Damn right that I believe in what they have done, especially what the AFT, ASIO have acomplished if it does lead saving the public from another muslim attack, after 9/11, the bali bombings, the bombings of two public transport systems in madrid and london, bombings in india, problems of muslim intergration into europe, the bloody rise of ISSIS and so on it is quite clear to me that there is a huge number of muslims out there who just happen to hate the guts of westerners like me or you, christians and anyone else who is not simply muslim, and that they dont tolerate womens rights and gays while christians may struggle with it, those commited radical muslims would put them to the sword.

This level of hatred and spite against australia and australians is not coming from the christians, jews or the hindus, the buddists, the sikhists, its coming from a section of the muslim community.

stryder wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:24am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:09am: stryder wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:07am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:04am: 800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid. Oh you make it sound like a scene from star wars of the marching stormtroopers and darth vader,  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D They did the same thing to Kim.Com in New Zealand - helicopters - kick door in raid - armed police - all over a copyright infringement. They could have just knocked on his door. Damn right that I believe in what they have done, especially what the AFT, ASIO have acomplished if it does lead saving the public from another muslim attack, after 9/11, the bali bombings, the bombings of two public transport systems in madrid and london, bombings in india, problems of muslim intergration into europe and so on it is quite clear to me that there is a huge number of muslims out there who just happen to hate the guts of westerners like me or you, christians and anyone else who is not muslim, and that they dont tolerate womens rights and gays while christians may struggle with it, those commited radical muslims would put them to the sword. This level of hatred and spite against australia and australians is not coming from the christians, jews or the hindus, the buddists, the sikhists, its coming from a section of the muslim community.

Well - it seems there are mostly frightened people -

The no vote is winning.

Maybe I'm wrong ? -  I'm only human.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

Gypsygirl wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:35am: Its just a shame that these extremists represent islam this day because its definitely not the islam I saw every day as a child.  :'( Beautiful post, Gypsygirl. Thank you, and welcome to the Board.

Yes nice post.

There are good people in all religions I am sure!

The whole 800 lawmen episode was designed to send a message.

Which I am sure it has.

Big Brother Is Watching You!

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:17am: Gypsygirl wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:35am: Its just a shame that these extremists represent islam this day because its definitely not the islam I saw every day as a child.  :'( Beautiful post, Gypsygirl. Thank you, and welcome to the Board. Yes nice post. There are good people in all religions I am sure!

Mixed in with some dangerous ones unfortunetly and that problem in Islam seems really really big.

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

The whole 800 lawmen episode was designed to send a message. Which I am sure it has. Big Brother Is Watching You!

They sure are -
I am sure that every page on this forum is read by some spook.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:34am: The whole 800 lawmen episode was designed to send a message. Which I am sure it has. Big Brother Is Watching You! They sure are - I am sure that every page on this forum is read by some spook.

I'll lay "London to a Brick" that the numbers of Australian Muslims frequenting ISIL friendly websites has crashed.

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:44am: Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:34am: The whole 800 lawmen episode was designed to send a message. Which I am sure it has. Big Brother Is Watching You! They sure are - I am sure that every page on this forum is read by some spook. I'll lay "London to a Brick" that the numbers of Australian Muslims frequenting ISIL friendly websites has crashed.

The whole story doesn't add up:

Would a serious terrorist really discuss a major plan over the phone?

The cops were dealing either with a lunatic or an idiot.
He may get off by reason of insanity.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

The whole story doesn't add up: Would a serious terrorist really discuss a major plan over the phone? The cops were dealing either with a lunatic or an idiot. He may get off by reason of insanity.

We've been told it was just the one phone call among perhaps hundreds that were being monitored that gave the game away. One in which a few unguarded words were uttered.

bump

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 9:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 9:26am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 10:43pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for? you're joking, right? Just watched ABC 24 & they sort of agree with what I wrote - it was a bit over the top.

because one persons opinion agrees with yours?  did it never occur to you that this wasn't merely and arrest but also making a statement that we are both willing and capable of serious force?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid.

conspiracy to commit murder is 'minor'?
conspiracy to commit terrorism is 'minor'?
providing funds to a terrorist organisation is 'minor'?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:44am: Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:34am: The whole 800 lawmen episode was designed to send a message. Which I am sure it has. Big Brother Is Watching You! They sure are - I am sure that every page on this forum is read by some spook. I'll lay "London to a Brick" that the numbers of Australian Muslims frequenting ISIL friendly websites has crashed. The whole story doesn't add up: Would a serious terrorist really discuss a major plan over the phone? The cops were dealing either with a lunatic or an idiot. He may get off by reason of insanity.

are you really that gullible and naive???

Oh come on, those suspects were being watched since May.

Only two charged after that circus?

5 people voted it was not OTT to kick doors down at 4.00am—so you are happy for the cops to do the same to you, then say “Oops, wrong house” or would you be screaming for a lawyer?

Do some people here ever think?

Yadda wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

"Easily debunking the lies about mainstream muslims" Nothing is debunked about - LYING - mainstream moslems. All moslems are malicious, filthy lying dogs, who are intentionally misrepresenting ISLAM, to naive non-moslems.

No bigotry there at all, now is there, Y?   ::)

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Oh come on, those suspects were being watched since May. Only two charged after that circus? 5 people voted it was not OTT to kick doors down at 4.00am—so you are happy for the cops to do the same to you, then say “Oops, wrong house” or would you be screaming for a lawyer? Do some people here ever think?

obviously the AFp should have sent them an email asking them to come into the police station to be arrested.

are you really that STUPID?  you have demonstrated little intelligence most of the time but this is stupid even for you!

Well, obviously you never think.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 9:44am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 9:26am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 10:43pm: skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:27am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap. You've gotta say that kicking in someone's door in at 4am is a bit over the top. Couldn't they have just knocked on the door at say 6pm at night & asked politely to speak to the person of interest? And what were the helicopters for? you're joking, right? Just watched ABC 24 & they sort of agree with what I wrote - it was a bit over the top. because one persons opinion agrees with yours?  did it never occur to you that this wasn't merely and arrest but also making a statement that we are both willing and capable of serious force?

Dear Longy,
many blessings.

I can understand your thought process.

Fight fire with fire therefore -

fight terrorism with more terrorism?

This should be a time when Muslim members of our community unite to help
the police solve the problem & I fear
that such rough house tactics will only serve to
further alienate those people & make it harder to win this battle.

You are forgiven for simple minded answers

namaste

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 12:00pm: The whole story doesn't add up: Would a serious terrorist really discuss a major plan over the phone? The cops were dealing either with a lunatic or an idiot. He may get off by reason of insanity. We've been told it was just the one phone call among perhaps hundreds that were being monitored that gave the game away. One in which a few unguarded words were uttered.

Do you believe that?

Yes.

****

Tonight's news revealed that at last Tony Abbott is taking the home-grown terrorist threat seriously ... not surprising now that politicians themselves have become the new target in the jihadi cross-hairs.

Secret home-searches without the occupant's knowledge, and while they are away from home, is being legislated for.

And there's another one that eases the red tape that's currently hobbling the police from doing their job.

Needless to say we can expect the Muslim Community to go ballistic at this ~ proving yet once again that they identify NOT with the security police who are doing a vital job in protecting the public from Muslim thugs, but that they identify with the culprits for their shared religion.

Good onya, Tony. At long last a PM who isn't afraid to confront the wrath of the Muslim Community leaders.

   

Those laws can also be used against you and yours. So eager to trade away freedoms for what a politician says are security reasons. Meh!

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

Yes. **** Tonight's news revealed that at last Tony Abbott is taking the home-grown terrorist threat seriously ... not surprising now that politicians themselves have become the new target in the jihadi cross-hairs. Secret home-searches without the occupant's knowledge, and while they are away from home, is being legislated for. And there's another one that eases the red tape that's currently hobbling the police from doing their job. Needless to say we can expect the Muslim Community to go ballistic at this ~ proving yet once again that they identify NOT with the security police who are doing a vital job in protecting the public from Muslim thugs, but that they identify with the culprits for their shared religion. Good onya, Tony. At long last a PM who isn't afraid to confront the wrath of the Muslim Community leaders.

But how can you destroy my reasoning here:


Quote:

Fight fire with fire therefore - fight terrorism with more terrorism? This should be a time when Muslim members of our community unite to help the police solve the problem & I fear that such rough house tactics will only serve to further alienate those people & make it harder to win this battle.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxd0lTnCUAA6qo8.jpg

Silly games, George.

Domestic violence is a tad different to Australia having to expect an eternity of funding a secret police service to stop our loved ones getting slaughtered by a subspecies of immigrant Islam.

Wouldn't it be better if you bought a sack of Builder's sand at your local Bunnings store ... and then poured it into a bucket ... and then gently submerged your head into it?

That way you could be a garden ornament and give the pigeons something sit on and to censored on.  :P

bump

Be nice if the resources poured into this effort to lift Abbott’s ratings went in fact to combating domestic violence.

Quote:

STEVE CANNANE, PRESENTER: This week Federal politics was dominated by terrorism and national security. To discuss these issues we were joined a short time ago from Hobart by barrister Greg Barnes, he’s a spokesman for the Australian Lawyers Alliance. And from Canberra by Allan Behm, he’s a strategic analyst, former senior defence official and former chief of staff to Greg Combet. Greg Barns, Allan Behm, thanks very much for joining us. ALLAN BEHM, DEFENCE AND SECURITY COMMENTATOR: My Pleasure. GREG BARNS, BARRISTER: Thank you. STEVE CANNANE: Greg, you tweeted today, “More uncritical media lapping up every leak from politicians and police about alleged terror activity, exaggeration and spin.” What’s your evidence there’s been exaggeration and spin in relation to these police raids? GREG BARNS: History is always a good guide to the future and the present Steven, having been involved in the – what’s called the Melbourne terrorism trial in 2008 – where we saw great exaggeration from politicians and police in terms of what they allege was the evidence in that case. It didn’t turn out to be that way. We saw it again in Muhamed Haneef’s case in the Gold Coast where there was an allegation he was going to blow up a building on the Gold Coast. Again, there was simply no evidence of that. What we’ve found with anti-terror raids in Australia in the past 10 years or so is that there is a propensity on the part of police and politicians to exaggerate what they allege is the evidence in the case. And just to give you a very quick example, it was alleged for example, in relation to the Melbourne terrorism trial that iconic Melbourne buildings were at risk of terror attacks. There was simply no evidence led at the trial of those men in 2008 that that was the case. STEVE CANNANE: That said though, seven of those men went to jail including Benbrika went to jail for 15 years, so there seemed to be a bit of strong evidence that the judge thought? GREG BARNS: They went to jail because essentially they were deemed to be members of a terrorist organisation but the prosecution conceded that there was no planned attack and that there was no target and no mode of attack but Australia’s anti-terror laws work like this, you can go to jail simply for talking about terrorist activity or for deemed to be a member of a terrorist organisation or supporting a terrorist organisation. You don’t have to have any particular target in mind. STEVE CANNANE: Allan, is the information coming out in relation to the raids exaggerated, as Greg suggests? ALLAN BEHM: Look, I don’t think that the information from the police is necessarily exaggerated but I do think the reporting is somewhat over-egged. A lot is being made of a little, I think. For example, the issue around the beheading, it started off looking very much like speculation and I think it’s going to be interesting to see when these matters ultimately going to trial exactly how the telephone conversation that apparently sat behind that supposition is actually going to play out. I don’t know, myself, and I don’t think anybody does, that any of the people who’ve been detained or against whom charges have been laid at this time have actually done anything. They may simply have been on the receiving end of advice, requests or whatever, so I think we’ve just got to be careful at the moment that we don’t start at shadows. I think what we really need to do is just stay calm and pay attention, that’s, I would think, the best way to approach this. STEVE CANNANE: Allan, when it comes to Operation Sovereign Borders and dealing with asylum seekers, operational issues are off limits to journalists. But when it came to operation Appleby and terror suspects, we saw journalists tipped off about the raids. We also saw vision provided to TV networks. Is there a double standard here? ALLAN BEHM: I think there is. In fact I’d play it around the other way. I’d have the media present on the vessels to deal with sovereign borders, both for evidentiary reasons but also to be able to show the public that it’s being conducted in a proper way consistent with the values that we stand for. The idea that you’d tip off the media before a procession of raids such as we’ve had in Sydney and Queensland, the two sets of raids are not desperately related but they’re still – both of them – given enormous media coverage and I think that that is dangerous.

Read more (or watch):

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4091568.htm

Beaten up out of all proportion and lillylivered cowards here are screaming for liberties to be abolished by the govt so the cowards can feel safe. Grow a set and get some self respect FGS!

Former Young Lib President and activist:

http://www.andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/national-security-theatre.html

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 10:07am:

How many non-Muslims turned up to the Lakemba anti-government terrorism initiatives protest? None? That's the difference, and it's the only difference that matters. Well over 100 different ethnicities in Sydney ~ yet none of them joined the protest in support. What does this tell us? It's the same with the jihadists who want to mass-murder us at our sporting venues, etc. It doesn't take the whole Muslim community to carry out those actions. It only needs a few from the Muslim Community. I don't go to restaurants where the government's Food Inspectors tolerate the occasional fatality from food poisoning because they don't want to upset the 'sensitivities' of the chef's ethnic community if he were to be shut down. It is utterly appalling ~ and revealing ~ that Muslims in Australia are coming together to protest the government's efforts to winkle out the killers amongst them. "Oh, but why US? Why not any other ethnic community?" Yeah! S'not fair! Why not the Chinese community? Or the Hare Krishna community? Or the Kookaburra Fanciers Association? Come on, gandalf. There's no getting away from the fact we are all having to deal with a phenomenon that has its direct link with fundamentalist Islam. The more you struggle against this reality, the more you tighten the knots that bind you to a false loyalty.  8-) **** We ain't seen nothin' yet from our government, but this is all about to change. Their sense of security has been breached by word that they have become a target. The Fury of the Valkyries is now about to descend upon Australia's mosques, prayer halls, Islamic schools, bookshops, health studios, ghetto neighbourhoods, etc. No stone will be left unturned now that it is the politicians themselves who are under threat. And it's about bloody time.

Remember, you heard it from Herbie first, leftards. Food inspectors don’t worry about dirty Muslim resturants because they don’t want to hurt their feelings. It’s the same as Herbie’s local state library not wanting to fine Muslims for stealing all the books on terrorism. Or the "Health Department" letting Muslim doctors off the hook for getting our women pregnant.

No one else is prepared to speak out on this stuff - just Herbie. Herbie’s like Dirty Harry - a loan detective standing against the vice and corruption of the city.

And it’s about bloody time, just as it’s been about bloody time for the past 30 years.

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

skippy. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:39am: Quote: The Grand Mufti of Australia, Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, and leaders of a number of Muslim community organisations have called for calm following the terror raids and protests. They also released a statement to reassure Australians “they have nothing to fear from their Muslim neighbours who want peace and security for everyone regardless of religion”. This quote was  hidden in the hysterics of Muslim bashing stories on the MUD press. ::) Easy to see the gutless maggots that would hide under a bed should anything happen in this country, they're the ones spreading the lies all Muslims should be feared. ::) The ones hiding under their beds in their all white enclaves would be the multiculturalists. They don't live near muslims.

Do you actually have any Muslims in your street, Homo? I’m curious.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:04am: 800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid. conspiracy to commit murder is 'minor'? conspiracy to commit terrorism is 'minor'? providing funds to a terrorist organisation is 'minor'?

The charges, so far without any evidence supplied, point to a single telephone call and a statement of some intent in it, and one firearms charge against someone else.

For conspiracy to have a run you need conspirators - that's plural... not some dope.

The final charge may well be the equivalent of 'uttering unseemly words'.

skippy. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2014 at 11:12am: Everyone - take a chill pill - Tony will protect us from any violent Muslims. It's a stunt to increase the maggots poll numbers. ::) divide and conquer it worked wonders for his hero the lying little rodent. ::) Abbott sees votes in kicking the boot into the whole MUSLIM community rather than the dipsh it's that plan this crap.

Been to a brainwashing clinic lately? Yeah, you wouldn't remember cos they'd wipe any memory of it from your mind.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 12:40pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:04am: 800 cops, choppers filled the skies like some airmobile thing from A Crock of Sh*t Now.... doors were sundered so the Forces of Right could send a message loud and clear... homes were ransacked... women terrorised... men bound with plastic ties like some London Iranian Embassy gig... the innocent hustled out into the cold.... Two minor charges were laid. conspiracy to commit murder is 'minor'? conspiracy to commit terrorism is 'minor'? providing funds to a terrorist organisation is 'minor'? The charges, so far without any evidence supplied, point to a single telephone call and a statement of some intent in it, and one firearms charge against someone else. For conspiracy to have a run you need conspirators - that's plural... not some dope. The final charge may well be the equivalent of 'uttering unseemly words'.

Perhaps the authorities should've waited til an innocent person was beheaded on George St in Sydney just to make sure these guys weren't just all talk, eh? Honestly, you wonder why no one takes any notice of what you way? This is why!

Those in our Muslim community who are Westernised, and who reject Sharia, and who want their kids to grow up as 'normal' kids without a whole lot of Islamic kowtowing ... will have nothing to fear from the newly established Islamic Terrorism Geheime Staatspolizei.

At the height of Britain's Soccer Hooligan era I was constantly expecting my front door to blow-in with a Bang! at 4 in the morning, but it never happened. The Soccer Hooligan Geheime Staatspolizei never paid me a visit.

Back in those days we didn't have mobile phones.  8-)



 

Bobby. wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Yes. **** Tonight's news revealed that at last Tony Abbott is taking the home-grown terrorist threat seriously ... not surprising now that politicians themselves have become the new target in the jihadi cross-hairs. Secret home-searches without the occupant's knowledge, and while they are away from home, is being legislated for. And there's another one that eases the red tape that's currently hobbling the police from doing their job. Needless to say we can expect the Muslim Community to go ballistic at this ~ proving yet once again that they identify NOT with the security police who are doing a vital job in protecting the public from Muslim thugs, but that they identify with the culprits for their shared religion. Good onya, Tony. At long last a PM who isn't afraid to confront the wrath of the Muslim Community leaders.

But how can you destroy my reasoning here:


Quote:

Fight fire with fire therefore - fight terrorism with more terrorism? This should be a time when Muslim members of our community unite to help the police solve the problem & I fear that such rough house tactics will only serve to further alienate those people & make it harder to win this battle.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:03am:

But how can you destroy my reasoning here: [quote]Fight fire with fire therefore - fight terrorism with more terrorism?

As you well-know, that's the only way wars are won.


Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:03am:

This should be a time when Muslim members of our community unite to help the police solve the problem

Not at all.

The Muslim community has had years to identify and deal with the demagogues among them who have been preaching violent jihad.

Besides governmement immigration and 'multicultural' policy itself, it's been the Muslim leadership that has been the problem, not the solution.

It's the Muslim leadership that has knowingly allowed anti-Western extremist material to be stocked in their Islamic bookstores.

It's the Muslim leadership that has sponsored, by their silence and inaction, the radical preachers amongst them.

It's members of the Muslim leadership that have turned against Abbott's terrorism initiatives ~ with this protest being witnessed as a model for their youths to follow.


Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:03am:

& I fear that such rough house tactics will only serve to further alienate those people & make it harder to win this battle.

Good.

It's for the Muslim community to assimilate and accommodate to our Western heritage and social values system ~ and not the other way round.

This is what Peter Costello said in a speech during his time in office.

You're NOT in a Muslim country, and if this doesn't suit you ~ then there's always migration to the Middle East as an option for you.

And then last week we had the spectacle of a pack of Muslim youths snapping at the heels of an Australian soldier in uniform in Sydney's central business district. It was ugly.

And then we have Annie here telling us we're 'ignorant' if we should harbour any secret reservations about her son because he has a Muslim name.

Get real, you people.

Dear Herbert,
you seem to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

That would be the same as targeting all Christians as supporting pedophilia.

you are forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:15am:

Dear Herbert, you seem to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

The Christian bible is not the immutable and incontrovertible Word of God, which is what Muslims believe about the Koran. That's a vital difference in the two religions.

The Koran does not allow for any degree of dissent and apostasy as does the Christian Bible.

When someone identifies as 'a Muslim', this calls to mind an allegiance that is far more strict and binding and all-consuming than that of your nominal Christian.

I worked with dozens of these people over a number of years. Theirs is a mindset that you'll never come across outside of a Christian seminar.

If you're not 'really' a textbook stereotype of a Muslim, then you should let this be known clearly. The default position of 'a Muslim' infers a whole package of assumptions about their values, their attitudes, and their degree of religiosity.

If you're going to walk around with a hijab, a niqab, a burqa ... or a big black beard ~ then don't be surprised if some of us are going to take this as a sign that you are a devout Muslim who subscribes to all the bells and whistles.

One of those 'bells' being the female-degrading Sharia Law.


Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 10:15am:

That would be the same as targeting all Christians as supporting pedophilia.

That's degrading this discussion to the absurd. You're on your own.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 10:15am: Dear Herbert, you seem to tar all Muslims with the same brush. The Christian bible is not the immutable and incontrovertible Word of God, which is what Muslims believe about the Koran. That's a vital difference in the two religions. The Koran does not allow for any degree of dissent and apostasy as does the Christian Bible. When someone identifies as 'a Muslim', this calls to mind an allegiance that is far more strict and binding and all-consuming than that of your nominal Christian. I worked with dozens of these people over a number of years. Theirs is a mindset that you'll never come across outside of a Christian seminar. If you're not 'really' a textbook stereotype of a Muslim, then you should let this be known clearly. The default position of 'a Muslim' infers a whole package of assumptions about their values, their attitudes, and their degree of religiosity. If you're going to walk around with a hijab, a niqab, a burqa ... or a big black beard ~ then don't be surprised if some of us are going to take this as a sign that you are a devout Muslim who subscribes to all the bells and whistles. One of those 'bells' being the female-degrading Sharia Law. Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 10:15am: That would be the same as targeting all Christians as supporting pedophilia. That's degrading this discussion to the absurd. You're on your own.

Fundamentalist Christians can also call up all the old testament laws
of the Bible which call for the killing of people for
about 30 different offenses including witchcraft
& stoning to death for adultery.
That doesn't mean that every Christian follows those rules.

It all depends on whether people are religious nutcases or moderately religious.

forgiven

namaste

flip page

Shiite and Sunni defending a town against ISIL:

http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-neighbourhood-holds-against-jihadists-194952026.html

So—what stereotype applies here?

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:22am:

Fundamentalist Christians can also call up all the old testament laws of the Bible which call for the killing of people for about 30 different offenses including witchcraft & stoning to death for adultery. That doesn't mean that every Christian follows those rules.

Trust me when I tell you that here in Sydney I worked for years among your average suburban Muslim, and then I also worked for years among your average, suburban 'Christian' ~ and the two groups were radically exclusive to one another on the fact that one group was characterised by religious obsession, while the other was not.

You can go fossicking about in the backwoods to find a snake-handling, Holy Rolling, jumping-for-Jesus freak to put up against my kowtowing, head-banging, suburban Sydney bearded Muslim, but I'll leave it up to commonsense to decide which of us is being more reasonable.

One only need ask which group advocates for Sharia Law?

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:34am:

Shiite and Sunni defending a town against ISIL: http://news.yahoo.com/iraqi-neighbourhood-holds-against-jihadists-194952026.html So—what stereotype applies here?

;D ;D

Just wait until after they've defeated the common enemy ...

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 11:22am: Fundamentalist Christians can also call up all the old testament laws of the Bible which call for the killing of people for about 30 different offenses including witchcraft & stoning to death for adultery. That doesn't mean that every Christian follows those rules. Trust me when I tell you that here in Sydney I worked for years among your average suburban Muslim, and then I also worked for years among your average, suburban 'Christian' ~ and the two groups were radically exclusive to one another on the fact that one group was characterised by religious obsession, while the other was not. You can go fossicking about in the backwoods to find a snake-handling, Holy Rolling, jumping-for-Jesus freak to put up against my kowtowing, head-banging, suburban Sydney bearded Muslim, but I'll leave it up to commonsense to decide which of us is being more reasonable. One only need ask which group advocates for Sharia Law?

I will concede your point that there are far too many hot head Muslims in our community.

It's time they were locked up for our protection.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 10:15am: Dear Herbert, you seem to tar all Muslims with the same brush. The Christian bible is not the immutable and incontrovertible Word of God, which is what Muslims believe about the Koran. That's a vital difference in the two religions. The Koran does not allow for any degree of dissent and apostasy as does the Christian Bible. When someone identifies as 'a Muslim', this calls to mind an allegiance that is far more strict and binding and all-consuming than that of your nominal Christian. I worked with dozens of these people over a number of years. Theirs is a mindset that you'll never come across outside of a Christian seminar. If you're not 'really' a textbook stereotype of a Muslim, then you should let this be known clearly. The default position of 'a Muslim' infers a whole package of assumptions about their values, their attitudes, and their degree of religiosity. If you're going to walk around with a hijab, a niqab, a burqa ... or a big black beard ~ then don't be surprised if some of us are going to take this as a sign that you are a devout Muslim who subscribes to all the bells and whistles. One of those 'bells' being the female-degrading Sharia Law. Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 10:15am: That would be the same as targeting all Christians as supporting pedophilia. That's degrading this discussion to the absurd. You're on your own.

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:50am:

I will concede your point that there are far too many hot head Muslims in our community.

I didn't say that.

I said that the average Muslim takes his religion FAR more seriously than does your average suburban Aussie.

It's that extra degree of religiosity that makes them sympathetic to Sharia Law, and sympathetic to those among them who threaten and abuse our uniformed soldiers when they're caught away from the protection of their barracks.

That uniformed soldier who was caught by a group of Muslim youths last week in Sydney. These kids and their entire families would be deported from Australia within 24 hours if a large percentage of the Aussie public had any say in it.


Bobby. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:50am:

It's time they were locked up for our protection.

Wrong.

It's time they were deported back to the Middle East with their entire families.

Once Muslim parents know they will suffer the penalty of deportation if their sons grow up to be jihadi thugs ~ they will then feel highly motivated to supervise their boys to keep them from becoming radicalised.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Quote: STEVE CANNANE, PRESENTER: This week Federal politics was dominated by terrorism and national security. To discuss these issues we were joined a short time ago from Hobart by barrister Greg Barnes, he’s a spokesman for the Australian Lawyers Alliance. And from Canberra by Allan Behm, he’s a strategic analyst, former senior defence official and former chief of staff to Greg Combet. Greg Barns, Allan Behm, thanks very much for joining us. ALLAN BEHM, DEFENCE AND SECURITY COMMENTATOR: My Pleasure. GREG BARNS, BARRISTER: Thank you. STEVE CANNANE: Greg, you tweeted today, “More uncritical media lapping up every leak from politicians and police about alleged terror activity, exaggeration and spin.” What’s your evidence there’s been exaggeration and spin in relation to these police raids? GREG BARNS: History is always a good guide to the future and the present Steven, having been involved in the – what’s called the Melbourne terrorism trial in 2008 – where we saw great exaggeration from politicians and police in terms of what they allege was the evidence in that case. It didn’t turn out to be that way. We saw it again in Muhamed Haneef’s case in the Gold Coast where there was an allegation he was going to blow up a building on the Gold Coast. Again, there was simply no evidence of that. What we’ve found with anti-terror raids in Australia in the past 10 years or so is that there is a propensity on the part of police and politicians to exaggerate what they allege is the evidence in the case. And just to give you a very quick example, it was alleged for example, in relation to the Melbourne terrorism trial that iconic Melbourne buildings were at risk of terror attacks. There was simply no evidence led at the trial of those men in 2008 that that was the case. STEVE CANNANE: That said though, seven of those men went to jail including Benbrika went to jail for 15 years, so there seemed to be a bit of strong evidence that the judge thought? GREG BARNS: They went to jail because essentially they were deemed to be members of a terrorist organisation but the prosecution conceded that there was no planned attack and that there was no target and no mode of attack but Australia’s anti-terror laws work like this, you can go to jail simply for talking about terrorist activity or for deemed to be a member of a terrorist organisation or supporting a terrorist organisation. You don’t have to have any particular target in mind. STEVE CANNANE: Allan, is the information coming out in relation to the raids exaggerated, as Greg suggests? ALLAN BEHM: Look, I don’t think that the information from the police is necessarily exaggerated but I do think the reporting is somewhat over-egged. A lot is being made of a little, I think. For example, the issue around the beheading, it started off looking very much like speculation and I think it’s going to be interesting to see when these matters ultimately going to trial exactly how the telephone conversation that apparently sat behind that supposition is actually going to play out. I don’t know, myself, and I don’t think anybody does, that any of the people who’ve been detained or against whom charges have been laid at this time have actually done anything. They may simply have been on the receiving end of advice, requests or whatever, so I think we’ve just got to be careful at the moment that we don’t start at shadows. I think what we really need to do is just stay calm and pay attention, that’s, I would think, the best way to approach this. STEVE CANNANE: Allan, when it comes to Operation Sovereign Borders and dealing with asylum seekers, operational issues are off limits to journalists. But when it came to operation Appleby and terror suspects, we saw journalists tipped off about the raids. We also saw vision provided to TV networks. Is there a double standard here? ALLAN BEHM: I think there is. In fact I’d play it around the other way. I’d have the media present on the vessels to deal with sovereign borders, both for evidentiary reasons but also to be able to show the public that it’s being conducted in a proper way consistent with the values that we stand for. The idea that you’d tip off the media before a procession of raids such as we’ve had in Sydney and Queensland, the two sets of raids are not desperately related but they’re still – both of them – given enormous media coverage and I think that that is dangerous. Read more (or watch): http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4091568.htm Beaten up out of all proportion and lillylivered cowards here are screaming for liberties to be abolished by the govt so the cowards can feel safe. Grow a set and get some self respect FGS!

Right on, George. NSW Police Commissioner Scippione was in the Tele yesterday stating the rationale behind the raids:  they were a "show of force".

And that’s all.

The force, it seems, was secondary to the show. And the crime?

Nobody knows.

Stop trying to understand Islam it is a death cult. Stop saying it is a religion of peace it isn't .

Perses wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Stop trying to understand Islam it is a death cult. Stop saying it is a religion of peace it isn't .

And you know that, Perses, because -

1. Some of your best friends are Muslims
2. You’ve read so many Muslim books
3. You’ve travelled extensively through Muslim countries and know the people well
4. You read it in the Tele

Karnal wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Right on, George. NSW Police Commissioner Scippione was in the Tele yesterday stating the rationale behind the raids:  they were a "show of force". And that’s all. The force, it seems, was secondary to the show. And the crime? Nobody knows.

Here, I have to agree with Karnal-the-baggage-carrier-and-dead-cat-fancier.

I heard Scipione make that statement and it struck me as oddly inappropriate.

It's okay for the police to make a show of force when faced with a rowdy demonstration on the streets, but it has absolutely no relevance to arresting 'persons of interest' at 4 in the morning.

However! Smashing in front doors as a strategy for making a quick arrest of someone who might otherwise jump out a back window does have tactical merit. But not as a 'show of force'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 11:50am: I will concede your point that there are far too many hot head Muslims in our community. I didn't say that. I said that the average Muslim takes his religion FAR more seriously than does your average suburban Aussie. It's that extra degree of religiosity that makes them sympathetic to Sharia Law, and sympathetic to those among them who threaten and abuse our uniformed soldiers when they're caught away from the protection of their barracks. That uniformed soldier who was caught by a group of Muslim youths last week in Sydney. These kids and their entire families would be deported from Australia within 24 hours if a large percentage of the Aussie public had any say in it. Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 11:50am: It's time they were locked up for our protection. Wrong. It's time they were deported back to the Middle East with their entire families. Once Muslim parents know they will suffer the penalty of deportation if their sons grow up to be jihadi thugs ~ they will then feel highly motivated to supervise their boys to keep them from becoming radicalised.

Except, Herbie and you well know it, a large proportion of Australia's Muslim population were born here and a large proportion don't even hail from the Middle East.   You cannot deport Australian citizens nor can you deport people to regions or nations which they did not originate from.

You really need to stop this trolling, Herbie.   It isn't the real you and we both know it.   ::)

Perses wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Stop trying to understand Islam it is a death cult. Stop saying it is a religion of peace it isn't .

http://www.washtenawvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/images_1025/fear.jpg

Your phobia is palpable.   ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 11:22am: Fundamentalist Christians can also call up all the old testament laws of the Bible which call for the killing of people for about 30 different offenses including witchcraft & stoning to death for adultery. That doesn't mean that every Christian follows those rules. Trust me when I tell you that here in Sydney I worked for years among your average suburban Muslim, and then I also worked for years among your average, suburban 'Christian' ~ and the two groups were radically exclusive to one another on the fact that one group was characterised by religious obsession, while the other was not. You can go fossicking about in the backwoods to find a snake-handling, Holy Rolling, jumping-for-Jesus freak to put up against my kowtowing, head-banging, suburban Sydney bearded Muslim, but I'll leave it up to commonsense to decide which of us is being more reasonable. One only need ask which group advocates for Sharia Law?

Sorry, Herbie, you lost that trust when you made things up about libraries and health departments and negro security guards, and on and on and on.

You "working with" Muslims means sharing a city with them. Who knows? You’re probably confusing those "Muslims" with Lebanese Coptic Christians, or even Greeks or Itais.

I share a street with a Muslim prayer hall, and I know they’re Muslims because they once gave me a boring pamphlet about Muhammed being the final prophet.

Personally, I find those Muslims no different to people from any other faith. I’m not making this up to prove a point either.

If those Muslims change, I’ll let you know.

Yadda wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Quote: JAMAL RIFI: Well, look, there is that fear in the community. I wouldn't say it's widespread. But if someone is going to accuse anyone, I reckon the barbaric state is the one who should be accused, because they have targeted in their propaganda campaign our young people in the last two years and used our religion, our peaceful religion as a tool for their political campaign. And if anyone is making our young people to have and harbour these thought and intent to do any damage to anyone in Australia, it is the barbaric state propaganda and it's not the Government. Nevertheless, we need to interact with the Government because there will be set of laws that going to be presented in front of Parliament very soon and we need to discuss the implication of these law on day-to-day activities of ordinary citizen who are in majority are going to be of Islamic faith. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm 'Our peaceful religion' ???

Today, the whole country will want to express its deep sympathy for David Haines’ family. They have endured the last 18 months of David’s captivity with extraordinary courage.

And now David has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable by an organisation which is the embodiment of evil.

We will hunt down those responsible and bring them to justice, no matter how long it takes.

David Haines was an aid worker. He went into harm’s way not to harm people, but to help his fellow human beings in the hour of their direst need – from the Balkans to the Middle East.

His family spoke of the joy he felt when he learned he had got this job in Syria.

His selflessness, his decency, his burning desire to help others has today cost him his life.

But the whole country, like his grieving family, can be incredibly proud of what he did and what he stood for in his humanitarian mission.

David Haines was a British hero. The fact that an aid worker was taken, held and brutally murdered at the hands of ISIL sums up what this organisation stands for.

They are killing and slaughtering thousands of people, Muslims, Christians, minorities across Iraq and Syria.

They boast of their brutality. They claim to do this in the name of Islam. That is nonsense. Islam is a religion of peace.

They are not Muslims. They are monsters.

- British Prime Minister, David Cameron

Karnal wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

Personally, I find those Muslims no different to people from any other faith. I’m not making this up to prove a point either.

Interesting.

Which other 'faith' has its youth flying overseas to partake in a festival of beheadings, crucifixions, and ritual rape?

I must ask the parson who runs the small 'assembly' at the end of my street to enlighten me about this. It's definitely unfair that while Christian youths are not reported by the media for their rampages of butchery somewhere overseas ~ our Muslim youths are.

That's definitely something we should take up with Paul Barry on Media Watch.


Karnal wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:10am:

If those Muslims change, I’ll let you know.

That's not necessary, but thank you for your kind consideration.

For our tax dollars ASIO is keeping the public fully informed of the latest changes on the Muslim Home Front.

It switched from 'High' to 'Extremely High' just this last week. It's like the Bush Fire Potential Alarm Rating.

I've been emailing my local federal MP to have a similar rating implemented to alert us of the likely danger from our local Christian youth, but he's not returning my overtures. Probably on holiday. Or busy arranging more secure protection for himself and staff at his office.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:45am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 10:10am: Personally, I find those Muslims no different to people from any other faith. I’m not making this up to prove a point either. Interesting. Which other 'faith' has its youth flying overseas to partake in a festival of beheadings, crucifixions, and ritual rape?

A number of Croatian Catholics and Serbian Orthadox left Australia to join militias in 1990s Balkans conflict.

There, the Serbian side was found guilty of genocide in the newly-founded International Court of Justice. Torture, rape and other human rights violations were not just reported, but proven in court.

Milosevic died before he was found guilty. A number of other high-ranking Serbs were convicted and sentenced. Presumably, the Australian militia-members returned and re-settled back in the Australian community.


Quote:

It switched from 'High' to 'Extremely High' just this last week

ASIO has estimated somewhere between 40 and 60 Australians fighting in Syria/Iraq. If you think this justifies the switch to 'Extremely High' (a wartime footing) - with no other information on any actual threats - you're a bigger sucker than I took you for.

These days, I'm rarely surprised. Just to clarify though:


Quote:

Australia is at HIGH level of alert.

http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Securityandyourcommunity/Pages/NationalTerrorismPublicAlertSystem.aspx

The Bosnian war was about Serbia and Croatia securing additional territory for themselves, with the Bosnian Muslims being seen by the Serbs as flies in the ointment.

It was an afterthought on the part of the Serbs that they massacre these remnant Muslims from the days of the Ottoman Empire.

No one prepared themselves for this conflict by reading their version of the Bible. There was no religious 'radicalisation' either in Yugoslavia or here in Australia.

There was no 'Extreme Danger' of Serbian or Croatian terrorism here in Australia due to Australia supporting the NATO forces.

No doors had to be kicked in by 800 of our federal police at precisely 4am in the morning.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 6:23pm:

The Bosnian war was about Serbia and Croatia securing additional territory for themselves, with the Bosnian Muslims being seen by the Serbs as flies in the ointment. It was an afterthought on the part of the Serbs that they massacre these remnant Muslims from the days of the Ottoman Empire. No one prepared themselves for this conflict by reading their version of the Bible. There was no religious 'radicalisation' either in Yugoslavia or here in Australia. There was no 'Extreme Danger' of Serbian or Croatian terrorism here in Australia due to Australia supporting the NATO forces. No doors had to be kicked in by 800 of our federal police at precisely 4am in the morning.

Oh lordy.....Herb i suggest you some research on that Bosnian war criminal Naser Oric who started that war.
The Serbs were only responding to muslim agression and somehow the muslims became the victims just like Palestine,Myanmar,Kashmir,etc

Nice Jihad Nasheed video from Bosnian muslims, this one has english subtitles so you can understand their brains have been infected with this Islam delusion.
Takebeer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0G7zmbfIh0

A Bosnian muslim was so butthurt at one of my comments he threatened to chop my head off.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

'you won't see any muslim denouncing this' 'muslims only outraged about being victimised' The usual crap we hear being screeched whenever these media circuses happen. Quote: There were about 100 people at Lakemba station for the protest in response to what organisers say is the Federal Government’s heavy-handed approach to the raids, which resulted in 15 arrests. About 100 people turned up to this much publisised (and widely condemned) peaceful protest - out of an anticipated 2500 by the protest organisers. Or in other words, a gigantic flop. To put this into context, this was about 10 times less muslims than those attended at the weekends "muslims 4 Australia" BBQ - organised to reaffirm muslim's rejection of extremism and solidarity with the wider Australian community. As for the incessant claims that no mainstream leaders are standing up against all this. Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts. His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night:

muslim bullshit, you know why cops raid places in the early morning ?

it's because that is when everyone is most likely to be home..

no one, no matter how small the meeting was, had a right to protest arrests against suspected terrorists.

"Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL"

isil is a sunni shia thing isn't it, is rifi a shia ?

or is rifi a sunni committing taqqiya ? you know telling  the "permitted lie" a lie that is permitted if it furthers the cause of islam..

or is rifi forreal ?

and if he is forreal, that doesn't mean a damn thing in the scheme of things, not when you have imams preaching jihad, and not when so called extreme imams visit Australia to preach jihad..

and whats this poo about "moderates" and
"extremists" ?

you all have the same false god and the same disgusting scriptures..

mohammed himself was a murderous marauding thieving killer who murdered innocents in the name of the false god that he himself created..

mohammed  himself was essentially the very first Islamic terrorist, but you bastards would never say mohammed was an extremist would you.

todays Islamic terrorists are not extremists, they are devout, they walk in the exact same path as mohammed, they obey the exact same jihad commandments that mohammed and his gullible warriors did..

this is why NONE of you, the whole world over NEVER denounce Islamic terrorists, telling them to stop what they are doing.

so don't bullshit about extremism saying islam is a religion of peace and has been hijacked, that is the biggest lie of them all.

the sooner the world is rid of this filthy murderous racist paedophile loving bullshit religion, the bloody better.

crazychris wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:52pm:

the sooner the world is rid of this filthy murderous racist paedophile loving bullshit religion, the bloody better.

Yes, Catholicism certainly has its bad side.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 11:34am:

Shiite and Sunni defending a town against ISIL: So—what stereotype applies here?

the stereo type is that for 1400 years, muslims having been murdering each other, sunni against shia, muslim arabs against black muslims (darfur)

they kill each other in war, in honour killings, under sharia law..

they have never had peace amongst themselves, and yet we are ludicrously suppose to believe that islam is a religion of peace, and even more ludicrous, that these people who are bound by their belief in allah and his commandments, can live in peace with US..

even when it's allahs commandment that we are not to be tolerated and are to be killed..

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 10:55pm:

crazychris wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 10:52pm: the sooner the world is rid of this filthy murderous racist paedophile loving bullshit religion, the bloody better. Yes, Catholicism certainly has its bad side.

you think that's some kind of argument ?

the catholic church murdered and tortured 500 million people throughout history..

but the catholic church has nothing to do with Christianity, Christianity does not preach death to unbelievers, you wont find death preached in the new testament..

where as islam doe's teach death to unbelievers in their scriptures as a commandment from allah.

crazychris wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2014 at 11:10pm:

Christianity does not preach death to unbelievers, you wont find death preached in the new testament..

You obviously haven't read The Bible very closely, have you Matty?

Matthew 5:43-44
Matthew 10:34-36
Luke 19:27

::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2014 at 12:23am:

crazychris wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:10pm: Christianity does not preach death to unbelievers, you wont find death preached in the new testament.. You obviously haven't read The Bible very closely, have you Matty? Matthew 5:43-44 Matthew 10:34-36 Luke 19:27 ::)

Matthew 5:43-44Matthew

5:43-44King James Version (KJV)

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

so what's so bad about that ?
-----------------------------

Matthew 10:34-36

it's not about war or killing, it is about how religion can split families when some believe and others don't.



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Luke 19:27 this is a part of a parable, it is not doctrinal and does not demand that believers are to kill unbelievers.


why bring up stuff you obviously misunderstand and even take out of context by not adding the verses from before and after, or indeed not reading the whole chapters..

your attempt to debate is a failure. there are no commandments in the new testament to go out and kill the unbelievers.

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

It wouldn't enter your mind for one moment that, like many Australians, Abbott is motivated by the need to protect Australia from a real threat. That's because your mind, like most on the left, is totally consumed beyond any other consideration by hatred for Abbott. What a narrow view of the world!

I really hope he isn't that deluded. I'd prefer is was politics rather than a genuine position because at least then the leader of Australia would be acting rationally.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

'you won't see any muslim denouncing this' 'muslims only outraged about being victimised' The usual crap we hear being screeched whenever these media circuses happen. http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lakemba-protest-by-muslims-who-believe-australian-terror-raids-were-unjust-policing/story-fnj3rq0y-1227062988666 Quote: There were about 100 people at Lakemba station for the protest in response to what organisers say is the Federal Government’s heavy-handed approach to the raids, which resulted in 15 arrests. About 100 people turned up to this much publisised (and widely condemned) peaceful protest - out of an anticipated 2500 by the protest organisers. Or in other words, a gigantic flop. To put this into context, this was about 10 times less muslims than those attended at the weekends "muslims 4 Australia" BBQ - organised to reaffirm muslim's rejection of extremism and solidarity with the wider Australian community. As for the incessant claims that no mainstream leaders are standing up against all this. Dr Jamal Rifi has taken a leadership role in the last couple of months in making a stand against ISIL on behalf of mainstream islam. Last month he offered to pay radicals a "one way ticket" to leave Australia. He has been at the forefront in campaigning to keep young impressionable muslims on the straight path, constantly condemning extremism, and receiving death threats for his efforts. His calm and reasonable approach was exemplified on an interview on Lateline last night: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090675.htm

Aren't there already a few of our Muslims in jail for funding their fellow Muslim's jihad tickets? I hope they get them all. Thanks for bringing this one to our attention Gandalf.

By way of balance, it seemed appropriate to transfer this thread here.