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Message started by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:03am

Title: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:03am
A dedicated thread to post information about Islamophobic attacks.

Today:

Threatening note warning of further attacks found at scene of Melbourne house fire

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:06am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:03am:
A dedicated thread to post information about Islamophobic attacks.

Today:

Threatening note warning of further attacks found at scene of Melbourne house fire


Another false flag op by muslims.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:14am

Adamant wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:06am:
Another false flag op by muslims.


No, you're not biased, are you, Adamant.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:21am
This I feel needs repeating here.  Why?  Because it shows the personal effect Islamophobia has on innocent people.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
You have my utmost respect, Aqua.

I am not a Muslim, but my son has a Muslim name. He has no real Islamic influence and is very much your typical Aussie kid. I am telling you this because you spoke of fear for your daughters - I'm afraid for my son. We recently moved house and I am living with a constant dull dread of that look of surprised distaste that is becoming more common as we meet our neighbours and names are exchanged. It used to be rare, but it's pretty much the norm lately. I have seriously considered changing his name because he is starting to suffer some mild anxiety. Imagine the fear of a little girl with the scarf?

These are crappy times, but when people like you stop and reconsider and look for the humanity behind the distorted pictures we're shown, only good will come of it.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:22am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:14am:
No, you're not biased, are you, Adamant.


No, but you are dripping in it. How from that article can you tell who wrote the note.

Only a racist a racist bigot like yourself would jump to a conclusion like that.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:11pm

Adamant wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:14am:
No, you're not biased, are you, Adamant.


No, but you are dripping in it. How from that article can you tell who wrote the note.


Really, how?   ::)


Quote:
Only a racist a racist bigot like yourself would jump to a conclusion like that.


How is anything I wrote "racist", Adamant?  Wasn't it you who made the point that Muslim "isn't a race"?   "Australian" and "Christian" aren't, either, the last time I checked.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:14pm
Ban the burka photo shared by PUP senator Jacqui Lambie is of Afghan policewoman killed by Taliban...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:11pm:

Adamant wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:14am:
No, you're not biased, are you, Adamant.


No, but you are dripping in it. How from that article can you tell who wrote the note.


Really, how?   ::)


Quote:
Only a racist a racist bigot like yourself would jump to a conclusion like that.


How is anything I wrote "racist", Adamant.  Wasn't it you who made the point that Muslim "isn't a race"?   "Australian" and "Christian" aren't, either, the last time I checked.   ::)


That has to be a classic, brain questioning the use of the word racist.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:39pm



Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
Ban the burka photo shared by PUP senator Jacqui Lambie is of Afghan policewoman killed by Taliban...  ::) ::)



The photographer herself said that the picture was taken to show that even though it was a policewoman, she still had to wear the burqa when she left the police station.
Bernardi says the burqa is an oppressive garment, designed by men and is alien to Australia. This is stating the bleeding obvious.
Shorten then defends women's 'right' to wear the burqa - even though the policewoman's example demonstrates that women have to wear it even when they are armed officers of the law, rather than choose to wear it.

All this faux outrage seems to me a craven pandering to the sensibilities of the men who expect their women to be fully covered up. Why do we owe respect to such men?

I think it is not for the law to regulate everything. But I think it is perfectly OK to exert moral and community pressure on niqabi and burqa wearing community to chuck these anachronistic symbols in the bin. You can dress perfectly modestly in Australia without needing to resort to some oppressive, atavistic Arabian honour code.







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 2:47pm

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:03am:
A dedicated thread to post information about Islamophobic attacks.

Today:

Threatening note warning of further attacks found at scene of Melbourne house fire



The photographer herself said that the picture was taken to show that even though it was a policewoman, she still had to wear the burqa when she left the police station.
Bernardi says the burqa is an oppressive garment, designed by men and is alien to Australia. This is stating the bleeding obvious.
Shorten then defends women's 'right' to wear the burqa - even though the policewoman's example demonstrates that women have to wear it even when they are armed officers of the law, rather than choose to wear it.

All this faux outrage seems to me a craven pandering to the sensibilities of the men who expect their women to be fully covered up. Why do we owe respect to such men?

I think it is not for the law to regulate everything. But I think it is perfectly OK to exert moral and community pressure on niqabi and burqa wearing community to chuck these anachronistic symbols in the bin. You can dress perfectly modestly in Australia without needing to resort to some oppressive, atavistic Arabian honour code.


I think you're replying to the wrong post or are you even in the wrong thread, Soren?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 20th, 2014 at 3:04pm
Fixed

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:21am:
This I feel needs repeating here.  Why?  Because it shows the personal effect Islamophobia has on innocent people.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
You have my utmost respect, Aqua.

I am not a Muslim, but my son has a Muslim name. He has no real Islamic influence and is very much your typical Aussie kid. I am telling you this because you spoke of fear for your daughters - I'm afraid for my son. We recently moved house and I am living with a constant dull dread of that look of surprised distaste that is becoming more common as we meet our neighbours and names are exchanged. It used to be rare, but it's pretty much the norm lately. I have seriously considered changing his name because he is starting to suffer some mild anxiety. Imagine the fear of a little girl with the scarf?

These are crappy times, but when people like you stop and reconsider and look for the humanity behind the distorted pictures we're shown, only good will come of it.


when islamics stop beheading infidels things might change.
when islamics stop trying to impose their laws over ours things might change.
when islamics assimilate things might change.

it is up to islam.
islam has decided, so has Australia.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 3:48pm

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
Ban the burka photo shared by PUP senator Jacqui Lambie is of Afghan policewoman killed by Taliban...  ::) ::)



The photographer herself said that the picture was taken to show that even though it was a policewoman, she still had to wear the burqa when she left the police station.
Bernardi says the burqa is an oppressive garment, designed by men and is alien to Australia. This is stating the bleeding obvious.
Shorten then defends women's 'right' to wear the burqa - even though the policewoman's example demonstrates that women have to wear it even when they are armed officers of the law, rather than choose to wear it.

All this faux outrage seems to me a craven pandering to the sensibilities of the men who expect their women to be fully covered up. Why do we owe respect to such men?

I think it is not for the law to regulate everything. But I think it is perfectly OK to exert moral and community pressure on niqabi and burqa wearing community to chuck these anachronistic symbols in the bin. You can dress perfectly modestly in Australia without needing to resort to some oppressive, atavistic Arabian honour code.


Yet the fallacies and ignorance of these views have been refuted by Annie, now haven't they, Soren?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 5:49pm
Heated clashes at mosque protest at Maroochydore

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by wally1 on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:43pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:21am:
This I feel needs repeating here.  Why?  Because it shows the personal effect Islamophobia has on innocent people.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
You have my utmost respect, Aqua.

I am not a Muslim, but my son has a Muslim name. He has no real Islamic influence and is very much your typical Aussie kid. I am telling you this because you spoke of fear for your daughters - I'm afraid for my son. We recently moved house and I am living with a constant dull dread of that look of surprised distaste that is becoming more common as we meet our neighbours and names are exchanged. It used to be rare, but it's pretty much the norm lately. I have seriously considered changing his name because he is starting to suffer some mild anxiety. Imagine the fear of a little girl with the scarf?

These are crappy times, but when people like you stop and reconsider and look for the humanity behind the distorted pictures we're shown, only good will come of it.


when islamics stop beheading infidels things might change.
when islamics stop trying to impose their laws over ours things might change.
when islamics assimilate things might change.

it is up to islam.
islam has decided, so has Australia.


what did australia decide?

Do vandalise mosques, cars and threaten to attack muslims in australia?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:56pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:21am:
This I feel needs repeating here.  Why?  Because it shows the personal effect Islamophobia has on innocent people.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
You have my utmost respect, Aqua.

I am not a Muslim, but my son has a Muslim name. He has no real Islamic influence and is very much your typical Aussie kid. I am telling you this because you spoke of fear for your daughters - I'm afraid for my son. We recently moved house and I am living with a constant dull dread of that look of surprised distaste that is becoming more common as we meet our neighbours and names are exchanged. It used to be rare, but it's pretty much the norm lately. I have seriously considered changing his name because he is starting to suffer some mild anxiety. Imagine the fear of a little girl with the scarf?

These are crappy times, but when people like you stop and reconsider and look for the humanity behind the distorted pictures we're shown, only good will come of it.


when islamics stop beheading infidels things might change.
when islamics stop trying to impose their laws over ours things might change.
when islamics assimilate things might change.

it is up to islam.
islam has decided, so has Australia.


You know, Sprint, I suppose I'm an optimist.  Perhaps one day I'll wake up and find posts from you condemning Islamophobia and bigotry.   I will continue to live in hope but I won't hold my breath.   You'd rather glorify the most outrageous behaviour in our society if the targets are Muslims.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:57pm
The $100 note in the new Islamic state has a picture of the falling WTC towers on 9/11 along with a picture of Bin Laden.

I wonder what the muslims and Islamic apologists have to say about that.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by wally1 on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
The $100 note in the new Islamic state has a picture of the falling WTC towers on 9/11 along with a picture of Bin Laden.

I wonder what the muslims and Islamic apologists have to say about that.


Any links?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:21am:
This I feel needs repeating here.  Why?  Because it shows the personal effect Islamophobia has on innocent people.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
You have my utmost respect, Aqua.

I am not a Muslim, but my son has a Muslim name. He has no real Islamic influence and is very much your typical Aussie kid. I am telling you this because you spoke of fear for your daughters - I'm afraid for my son. We recently moved house and I am living with a constant dull dread of that look of surprised distaste that is becoming more common as we meet our neighbours and names are exchanged. It used to be rare, but it's pretty much the norm lately. I have seriously considered changing his name because he is starting to suffer some mild anxiety. Imagine the fear of a little girl with the scarf?

These are crappy times, but when people like you stop and reconsider and look for the humanity behind the distorted pictures we're shown, only good will come of it.


when islamics stop beheading infidels things might change.
when islamics stop trying to impose their laws over ours things might change.
when islamics assimilate things might change.

it is up to islam.
islam has decided, so has Australia.


You know, Sprint, I suppose I'm an optimist.  Perhaps one day I'll wake up and find posts from you condemning Islamophobia and bigotry.   I will continue to live in hope but I won't hold my breath.   You'd rather glorify the most outrageous behaviour in our society if the targets are Muslims.   ::) ::)

Muslims kill far  more muslims in the name of Islam than everyone else put together.

That makes Muslims more islamophobic than anyone else,  by far.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:49pm

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
Muslims kill far  more muslims in the name of Islam than everyone else put together.


I am glad that the many times I've made that point haven't been wasted, Soren.


Quote:
That makes Muslims more islamophobic than anyone else,  by far.


No more than Protestants killing Catholics and vice-a-versa made Christians, anti-Christian, Soren.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
Muslims kill far  more muslims in the name of Islam than everyone else put together.


I am glad that the many times I've made that point haven't been wasted, Soren.


Quote:
That makes Muslims more islamophobic than anyone else,  by far.


No more than Protestants killing Catholics and vice-a-versa made Christians, anti-Christian, Soren.   ::)

Still,  muslims are far more islamophobic,  persecute muslims far,  far more than anyone else.
What are you doing about it,  Brain?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by freediver on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:56pm
Killing Muslims isn't islamophobic. It is only islamophobic if you criticise Islam and refuse to change your mind in the face of Brian's idiotic "similes" and attempts to use other people's logic.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 20th, 2014 at 8:54pm

freediver wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:56pm:
Killing Muslims isn't islamophobic. It is only islamophobic if you criticise Islam and refuse to change your mind in the face of Brian's idiotic "similes" and attempts to use other people's logic.


What's wrong, FD, do you think we should use your logic?  Now, or in 2007?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:35am
Muslim women the targets of hatred in Queensland.   Such brave Australian patriots.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 1:17am

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
Muslims kill far  more muslims in the name of Islam than everyone else put together.


I am glad that the many times I've made that point haven't been wasted, Soren.


Quote:
That makes Muslims more islamophobic than anyone else,  by far.


No more than Protestants killing Catholics and vice-a-versa made Christians, anti-Christian, Soren.   ::)

Still,  muslims are far more islamophobic,  persecute muslims far,  far more than anyone else.
What are you doing about it,  Brain?


What are you doing about it Brian?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 12:11am

Adamant wrote on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 1:17am:

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 7:45pm:
Muslims kill far  more muslims in the name of Islam than everyone else put together.


I am glad that the many times I've made that point haven't been wasted, Soren.


Quote:
That makes Muslims more islamophobic than anyone else,  by far.


No more than Protestants killing Catholics and vice-a-versa made Christians, anti-Christian, Soren.   ::)

Still,  muslims are far more islamophobic,  persecute muslims far,  far more than anyone else.
What are you doing about it,  Brain?


What are you doing about it Brian?


Same thing you are, Adamant.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 10:55am
A dedicated thread?


It is unclear when the attacks took place. ISIS's use of chlorine gas in attacks isn't new. There are reports that the ISIS militants used chlorine-war gas before.

http://www.dailysabah.com/world/2014/09/22/300-iraqi-soldiers-killed-allegedly-by-isis-in-chlorinegas-attacks

Rome immigrants attack 2 buses driven by women in 2 days

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2014/09/22/rome-immigrants-attack-2-buses-driven-by-women-in-2-days_4070e386-4505-4631-9ed4-fff311058cb4.html


The Islamic Council of WA is planning to set up a hotline for its members in Western Australia, concerned Muslims will be targeted after vandals damaged a mosque in Sydney on Friday. OH diddums shock horror what will happen next!

Last week more than 800 police raided homes in Sydney and Brisbane in the largest counter-terrorism operation ever in Australia.

One of the arrests involved 22-year-old Omarjan Azari, who is accused of plotting to kidnap a member of the public and have them beheaded.

After the raid, more than 200 members of the Muslim community in Sydney held a rally in the western suburbs, angry they were being unfairly targeted.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/wa-muslims-fear-they-could-be-targeted-20140922-10kht1.html

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 11:35am
Those aren't Islamophobic attacks.    ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 25th, 2014 at 12:00am
Mosque vandalised: Abuse spray-painted on Muslim community site in Brisbane.

Interesting how none of the usual suspects have condemned one of these Islamophobic attacks.  I suppose it's to be expected though, as their own Islamophobia controls their thinking.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:35pm
Mosque vandalised: 'Brainless' Brisbane anti-Islam criminals left behind evidence, police say

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jockohomo3d on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Mosque vandalised: 'Brainless' Brisbane anti-Islam criminals left behind evidence, police say
OOOOOHHHHHHHH!! A bit of spraypaint. Woopy du. I'll have some spray paint over a violent protest or a stabbed cop any day.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:45pm

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Mosque vandalised: 'Brainless' Brisbane anti-Islam criminals left behind evidence, police say
OOOOOHHHHHHHH!! A bit of spraypaint. Woopy du. I'll have some spray paint over a violent protest or a stabbed cop any day.


Of course you would.  The spray paint validates the alienation claim from the Muslims.  Spray paint reinforces their belief they are being attacked.   Now, what did the story say about being "brainless"?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jockohomo3d on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:46pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Mosque vandalised: 'Brainless' Brisbane anti-Islam criminals left behind evidence, police say
OOOOOHHHHHHHH!! A bit of spraypaint. Woopy du. I'll have some spray paint over a violent protest or a stabbed cop any day.


Of course you would.  The spray paint validates the alienation claim from the Muslims.  Spray paint reinforces their belief they are being attacked.   Now, what did the story say about being "brainless"?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D
How do you know it wasn't a couple of kids? You're just looking for any excuse to back your muslim mates again.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:02pm

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Mosque vandalised: 'Brainless' Brisbane anti-Islam criminals left behind evidence, police say
OOOOOHHHHHHHH!! A bit of spraypaint. Woopy du. I'll have some spray paint over a violent protest or a stabbed cop any day.


Of course you would.  The spray paint validates the alienation claim from the Muslims.  Spray paint reinforces their belief they are being attacked.   Now, what did the story say about being "brainless"?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D
How do you know it wasn't a couple of kids? You're just looking for any excuse to back your muslim mates again.


Who ever it was, it was stupid and Islamophobic.  "Just a couple of kids" doesn't excuse it any more than if a "couple of kids" called an Indigenous person a, "Coon" or a "black person" doesn't make that an example of racism.  As much as you attempt to excuse this behaviour the more you look like you support it.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jockohomo3d on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:06pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:02pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Mosque vandalised: 'Brainless' Brisbane anti-Islam criminals left behind evidence, police say
OOOOOHHHHHHHH!! A bit of spraypaint. Woopy du. I'll have some spray paint over a violent protest or a stabbed cop any day.


Of course you would.  The spray paint validates the alienation claim from the Muslims.  Spray paint reinforces their belief they are being attacked.   Now, what did the story say about being "brainless"?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D
How do you know it wasn't a couple of kids? You're just looking for any excuse to back your muslim mates again.


Who ever it was, it was stupid and Islamophobic.  "Just a couple of kids" doesn't excuse it any more than if a "couple of kids" called an Indigenous person a, "black person" or a "black person" doesn't make that an example of racism.  As much as you attempt to excuse this behaviour the more you look like you support it.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D
I just find it weird that for all the radicals have done in Australia you're getting your knickers in a twist about some silly spray paint message.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:09pm

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
I just find it weird that for all the radicals have done in Australia you're getting your knickers in a twist about some silly spray paint message.


I find it strange that you're only too willing to condemn anything and everything about Islam but tolerate similar behavior towards Muslims that you claim they display to other people...    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jockohomo3d on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:12pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
I just find it weird that for all the radicals have done in Australia you're getting your knickers in a twist about some silly spray paint message.


I find it strange that you're only too willing to condemn anything and everything about Islam but tolerate similar behavior towards Muslims that you claim they display to other people...    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D
What's happened over the years to Australians at the hands of muslims makes some spray paint look stupid. You've been sucking on muslims getting their bad publicity for so long  you and your kind are jumping at anything to even it up.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:37pm

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

jockohomo3d wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 2:06pm:
I just find it weird that for all the radicals have done in Australia you're getting your knickers in a twist about some silly spray paint message.


I find it strange that you're only too willing to condemn anything and everything about Islam but tolerate similar behavior towards Muslims that you claim they display to other people...    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D
What's happened over the years to Australians at the hands of muslims makes some spray paint look stupid. You've been sucking on muslims getting their bad publicity for so long  you and your kind are jumping at anything to even it up.



No I and I can only answer for myself, am defending innocent people from religious persecution 'cause that is exactly what this is.

Whats the difference between a Jew having this daubed on their shop window and a Muslim having something similar daubed on their Mosque?



You keep excusing it by claiming Muslims in Brisbane are somehow guilt for crimes committed by Muslims somewhere else in the world, against different people.   That is collective guilt by association.  It is no better than anti-Semitism against Jews.  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:17am
Mosque vandalism: Police charge man with defacing Islamic prayer centre in Brisbane

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:26am
Muslims did riot over cartoons and threaten to kill over a book so i guess graffiti is a big deal to them.

If you speak out about Islam some leftist retard might call you an Islamophobe,if a phobia compels you to avoid something surely the Islamophobes would be hiding under their beds too scared to say anything about Islam.

Meanwhile life in the Islamic state goes on, shooting and beheading cures Islamophobia in the Islamic state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2QHldT1TIg

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::

There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.

There is frank and forthright appraisal of it, often in choice language. Violence or threats of violence against muslims, damage to property are subject to police action.
Your attempt to balance out the murderous evils done in the name of Islam  every day around the world with the robust rejection of it is spinless and disgustingly so.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Annie Anthrax on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:35am

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::

There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.

There is frank and forthright appraisal of it, often in choice language. Violence or threats of violence against muslims, damage to property are subject to police action.
Your attempt to balance out the murderous evils done in the name of Islam  every day around the world with the robust rejection of it is spinless and disgustingly so.


Look who's talking about spineless and disgusting.

The post you quoted didn't say attacks on Islam. It said attacks on Muslims. You know - like when people threaten to behead a woman walking down the street because she's got the hijab on. Do you support that?

We both know you won't answer that because you are so entrenched in your hatred of all things Islamic you have long since stopped recognizing the basic humanity of Muslims.

Your dismissal of these incidents as trivial and "subject to police action" is piss weak. Rape is subject to police action - are you as cavalier about that?

Now, Mr Predictable, please continue to play your role to a T and come back at me with arguments about how Muslim men treat women or the atrocities committed by extremists, as if that somehow excuses the abuses suffered against regular Australian Muslims in Australia by Australians.

You spout the same nonsense in post after post. You've become a caricature of yourself. It'd be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 26th, 2014 at 7:25am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:35am:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::
t
There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.

There is frank and forthright appraisal of it, often in choice language. Violence or threats of violence against muslims, damage to property are subject to police action.
Your attempt to balance out the murderous evils done in the name of Islam  every day around the world with the robust rejection of it is spinless and disgustingly so.


Look who's talking about spineless and disgusting.

The post you quoted didn't say attacks on Islam. It said attacks on Muslims. You know - like when people threaten to behead a woman walking down the street because she's got the hijab on. Do you support that?

We both know you won't answer that because you are so entrenched in your hatred of all things Islamic you have long since stopped recognizing the basic humanity of Muslims.

Your dismissal of these incidents as trivial and "subject to police action" is piss weak. Rape is subject to police action - are you as cavalier about that?

Not in the islamic state, not in Dubai (if you are Norwegian woman).
I know the victim mentality is dear to islam when ir is in a minority. However, it is so intolerant when it is in full control that the crocodile tears in its defence are indeed trivial.
Many muslims in the west - those who constantly parade their muslimness - go out of their way to live AS IF they were still in a pallace where Islam is in full control. 
There is nothing in the segregation of women, the niqab, hijab, sharia,shaggy beards, howling incessantly about ’our honour, the halal racket, the open opposition to liberal democratic politics and an enlightened intellectual and artistic life to recommend them. Not compromising with such islamic values is not extremist at all.

To repeat - if you treat islam as a personal inner devotion, you are welcome to it and nobody will bother you because what is in your heart is only your business. But if you treat it as the means of setting yourself not just apart but in opposition, don’t kvetch if people call you out for being overtly against their values, their society in which you parade your aliennes but which is home to them.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by freediver on Sep 26th, 2014 at 9:04am

Quote:
It'd be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.


Like a Muslim taking a knife to a gun fight with the cops?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:20pm

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::

There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.


That is now how I describe your and your ilk's continual attacks on Muslims and their religion, Soren.   ::)

I'm sure anti-Semites believe they are merely undertaking "frank and forthright appraisal" of Judaism.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::

There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.


That is now how I describe your and your ilk's continual attacks on Muslims and their religion, Soren. 



I describe it as irrational fear, fueled by ignorance.







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::

There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.


That is now how I describe your and your ilk's continual attacks on Muslims and their religion, Soren.   ::)

I'm sure anti-Semites believe they are merely undertaking "frank and forthright appraisal" of Judaism.    ::)

Jews are sel-critical and will not burn down your embassy if you draw a cartoon of moses.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:06pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:35am:

Soren wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 12:33am:
I note no condemnation of the religious persecution of Muslims here in Australia, Baron.  How unsurprising.   ::

There is no religiou persecution of Islam in Australia.

There is frank and forthright appraisal of it, often in choice language. Violence or threats of violence against muslims, damage to property are subject to police action.
Your attempt to balance out the murderous evils done in the name of Islam  every day around the world with the robust rejection of it is spinless and disgustingly so.


Look who's talking about spineless and disgusting.

The post you quoted didn't say attacks on Islam. It said attacks on Muslims. You know - like when people threaten to behead a woman walking down the street because she's got the hijab on. Do you support that?

We both know you won't answer that because you are so entrenched in your hatred of all things Islamic you have long since stopped recognizing the basic humanity of Muslims.

Your dismissal of these incidents as trivial and "subject to police action" is piss weak. Rape is subject to police action - are you as cavalier about that?

Now, Mr Predictable, please continue to play your role to a T and come back at me with arguments about how Muslim men treat women or the atrocities committed by extremists, as if that somehow excuses the abuses suffered against regular Australian Muslims in Australia by Australians.

You spout the same nonsense in post after post. You've become a caricature of yourself. It'd be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.



Hear!  Hear!  Well said Annie!  Give him a serve!  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am
Victoria Police reveals rise in unreported attacks on Muslim women as terror suspect Abdul Numan Haider farewelled

Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 27th, 2014 at 6:17am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am:
Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released



Multiculturalism in glorious technicolour: tinted efnik threatens other tinted efniks with knife.
Whitey blamed.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:05pm

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 6:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am:
Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released



Multiculturalism in glorious technicolour: tinted efnik threatens other tinted efniks with knife.
Whitey blamed.


Where?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 6:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am:
Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released



Multiculturalism in glorious technicolour: tinted efnik threatens other tinted efniks with knife.
Whitey blamed.


Where?   ::)

In front of your lying eyes, Brain.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 27th, 2014 at 4:00pm

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 6:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am:
Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released



Multiculturalism in glorious technicolour: tinted efnik threatens other tinted efniks with knife.
Whitey blamed.


Where?   ::)

In front of your lying eyes, Brain.


Where?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:32am
Australian police reassure public that threatening Isis text message is hoax.  So the Islamophobes are now spreading black propaganda about Muslims...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:12pm
Woman bashed, thrown from train in racist attack.  Another day, another Islamophobic attack.   No condemnations from the usual crowd yet, I see.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Woman bashed, thrown from train in racist attack.  Another day, another Islamophobic attack.   No condemnations from the usual crowd yet, I see.   ::)



Muslims are not a race,muslims come from all races,Islam is an ideology a set of beliefs for muslims that have nothing to do with race.

You cannot push someone from any moving train, the doors do not open until the train has stopped.

Sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me.
::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 6:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am:
Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released



Multiculturalism in glorious technicolour: tinted efnik threatens other tinted efniks with knife.
Whitey blamed.


Where?   ::)

In front of your lying eyes, Brain.


Where?   ::)


brian is not worth talking to

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 6:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:01am:
Images of man wanted over armed threats made at Sydney Islamic school released



Multiculturalism in glorious technicolour: tinted efnik threatens other tinted efniks with knife.
Whitey blamed.


Where?   ::)

In front of your lying eyes, Brain.


Where?   ::)


brian is not worth talking to


Brian comes here because nobody could be bothered going to his crappy forum.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:10pm

baron - you are joking.

brian has his own forum ??


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:15pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:10pm:
baron - you are joking.

brian has his own forum ??


Yes,when i looked at his forum i was the only one there, i think 2 people is the most i have ever seen there.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 9:10pm:
baron - you are joking.

brian has his own forum ??


Yes,when i looked at his forum i was the only one there, i think 2 people is the most i have ever seen there.


oh, thank you baron.
I owe you BIG time.

This is SUCH a joy.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 29th, 2014 at 11:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Woman bashed, thrown from train in racist attack.  Another day, another Islamophobic attack.   No condemnations from the usual crowd yet, I see.   ::)



Muslims are not a race,muslims come from all races,Islam is an ideology a set of beliefs for muslims that have nothing to do with race.

You cannot push someone from any moving train, the doors do not open until the train has stopped.

Sounds like another Carnita Mathews to me.
::)


We shall have to wait and see, won't we, Baron?

I was referring however to the failure by you and your Islamophobic compatriots to condemn the other Islamophobic attacks.  However, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.  After all, you support terrorism like this, as long as the victims are innocent Muslims, right?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Sep 29th, 2014 at 11:06pm
Police have not released the race or religion of the victim so as not to encourage further racial vilification

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773471/Bashed-train-disgusting-racial-attack-Woman-s-head-smashed-carriage-verbally-abused-commuter.html#ixzz3Ei2UFCgj 





Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Woman bashed, thrown from train in racist attack.  Another day, another Islamophobic attack.   No condemnations from the usual crowd yet, I see.   ::)




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Sep 29th, 2014 at 11:07pm
Still no condemnation, Soren?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:24am

Quote:
A dedicated thread to post information about Islamophobic attacks.






Quote:

Yemen: Sunni jihad-martyrdom suicide bomber murders 15, injures 50 at hospital used as Shi’te base
Robert Spencer      Sep 29, 2014

The Shi’ites are considered heretics, and thus have forfeited the right to live. But remember: if you criticize this belief system’s [Sunnis] capacity to incite its adherents to endless violence, it is you who are the problem, you racist, bigoted Islamophobe.

“Sanaa: Shiite suicide bomb attack leaves 15 dead and over 50 injured,” Asia News, September 29, 2014 (thanks to C. Cantoni):



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/yemen-sunni-jihad-martyrdom-suicide-bomber-murders-15-injures-50-at-hospital-used-as-shite-base



Only racist, bigoted Islamophobes - would condemn suicide bombing attacks in Yemen.         :D

Sunnis are the only real, pure moslems.

Everyone knows that those Shii’te's, are only moslem IMPERSONATORS, and 'have forfeited the right to live'.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by wally1 on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:39am
Entrepreneur Fabrizio Ferrari charged over fire blamed on terrorists


Melbourne real estate spruiker Fabrizio Ferrari has been charged with arson, racial vilification and fraud after he allegedly set fire to a Doncaster house and attempted to blame the blaze on Islamic terrorists by posting a sign that threatened jihad on the owners.

The George Street house was torched on September 19 - just days after Australia's largest counter-terrorism raids in Sydney and Brisbane and the federal government placing the nation on heightened alert.

It is understood Mr Ferrari had expressed an interest in buying the house, which was due to be auctioned the next day and has an asking price of $1.6 million.

Detectives from the arson and explosive squad discovered an A4 laminated note pinned to the fence of the fire-damaged property that carried an Islamic greeting and read in part: "ALERT ... your time has passed ... Leave Australia now to never come back".

It went on: "Only the beginning more to come here or homeland, your next move will determine our next attack. We strike above the neck".

Appearing before Melbourne Magistrates Court on Wednesday, Mr Ferrari, who identifies himself as a Christian on social media, did not apply for bail and was remanded to appear for a committal hearing on January 19. He was already on bail for separate offences.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/entrepreneur-fabrizio-ferrari-charged-over-fire-blamed-on-terrorists-20141001-10oqdb.html#ixzz3EvppWFmS



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/entrepreneur-fabrizio-ferrari-charged-over-fire-blamed-on-terrorists-20141001-10oqdb.html#ixzz3EvplEgFo

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/entrepreneur-fabrizio-ferrari-charged-over-fire-blamed-on-terrorists-20141001-10oqdb.html#ixzz3EvpYWPXf

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by wally1 on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:41am
Central Coast man charged with allegedly threatening an Islamic organisation in Lakemba

A CENTRAL Coast man has been arrested and charged with allegedly threatening an Islamic organisation in Lakemba last week.

The 54-year-old man was charged with 10 counts of using a carriage service to menace, harass and offend.

The man is expected to appear in Wyong Local Court on November 12.

The Lakemba organisation received several voicemail messages which contained derogatory and offensive comments on September 23.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 7:45am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 11:07pm:
Still no condemnation, Soren?   ::) ::)


What are condemning today, my dishonest little preener?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:39am
Assailants heard to yell ‘You f...ing Arab’ before Wantirna South assault.  Any condemnations?

Freediver?
Moses?
Soren?
Yadda?
Baronvert?

Any of the other Islamophobes?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:50am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:39am:
Assailants heard to yell ‘You f...ing Arab’ before Wantirna South assault.  Any condemnations?

Freediver?
Moses?
Soren?
Yadda?
Baronvert?

Any of the other Islamophobes?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Terrible. These Islander kids are out of control.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:54am

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:50am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:39am:
Assailants heard to yell ‘You f...ing Arab’ before Wantirna South assault.  Any condemnations?

Freediver?
Moses?
Soren?
Yadda?
Baronvert?

Any of the other Islamophobes?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Terrible. These Islander kids are out of control.


They take their cue from you!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 10:49pm

Soren wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:50am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 2nd, 2014 at 10:39am:
Assailants heard to yell ‘You f...ing Arab’ before Wantirna South assault.  Any condemnations?

Freediver?
Moses?
Soren?
Yadda?
Baronvert?

Any of the other Islamophobes?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Terrible. These Islander kids are out of control.


Lutherans, weren’t they?

Now this presents us with a bit of a bother, old boy. Are they tinted barbarians at the gates? Or decent church-goers having a bit of harmless fun?

These are the great questions of our age - the questions of an advanced, dare I say multicultural society, where primative cannibals associate freely with their white Christian counterparts, each species taming the other in the crucible of blood and fire that is our rich social fabric.

Yes, "these Islander kids might be out of control", but what would our prophet Freud say? It is a thin veneer, old boy, that separates ourselves from such drives. I’d say that within each and every one of us is a tinted barbarian playing a ukelele and dancing the hula hula.

Without good men like yourself - brave men - I do feel we’d fall prey to these forces - one minute singing hymns, the next cooking up cocks and cnts in a big black pot for the village.

I, for one, would like to thank you for your tireless efforts to preserve our species and save us from ourselves. Yes, at times the task may seem almost insurmountable, but please try to remember: every little bit counts. The tinted races will never be as good as us, no matter how hard they try. They need us.

And, yes, we’ll always need brave men like yourself to hold our fragile society together.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 29th, 2014 at 7:54pm
Vandals attack Sikh temple by spraying anti-Islamic slurs on walls

Seems the Islamophobes aren't too worried about who they hurt as collateral damage in their offensive against Islam.   Idiots!   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2014 at 2:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 7:54pm:
Vandals attack Sikh temple by spraying anti-Islamic slurs on walls

Seems the Islamophobes aren't too worried about who they hurt as collateral damage in their offensive against Islam.   Idiots!   ::)


Sprint wants to ban them too, along with any Christian with an Arab name. In fact, let’s just clear this up and ban anyone who’s tinted.

Better to be safe than sorry, eh?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   ::)

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:51pm

Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   ::)

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.


bump

Same thing as if I were ever in saudi walking around with a BIG cross on and wearing speedos.

course, all the islamic sympathisers would say "oh, you should not do that ............"

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:58pm
It's really funny that you have started a thread dedicated to a non-existent concept....

"Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of "Islamophobia" has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism.

The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations."

Since 'radical Islam' IS in fact attacking and trying to destroy Western society...it's not actually a 'prejudice' (Prejudice is prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case), because being worried about 'radicalised Islam' IS a case of being aware of the facts.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:43pm

Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   ::)

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.


Talk about blaming the victim.  Why am I not surprised by such a comment from person like yourself who is on record for both his islamophobia and his sexist views, Soren?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:44pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:58pm:
It's really funny that you have started a thread dedicated to a non-existent concept....

"Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of "Islamophobia" has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism.

The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations."

Since 'radical Islam' IS in fact attacking and trying to destroy Western society...it's not actually a 'prejudice' (Prejudice is prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case), because being worried about 'radicalised Islam' IS a case of being aware of the facts.


It is a prejudice if it is aimed at people innocent of any connection with IS or any other extremist group, Gizmo.

Tell me, how do you feel about anti-Semitism?   You think it's justified by the stupid policies of the Israeli government?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:58pm:
It's really funny that you have started a thread dedicated to a non-existent concept....

"Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of "Islamophobia" has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism.

The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations."

Since 'radical Islam' IS in fact attacking and trying to destroy Western society...it's not actually a 'prejudice' (Prejudice is prejudgment, or forming an opinion before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case), because being worried about 'radicalised Islam' IS a case of being aware of the facts.


It is a prejudice if it is aimed at people innocent of any connection with IS or any other extremist group, Gizmo.

Tell me, how do you feel about anti-Semitism?   You think it's justified by the stupid policies of the Israeli government?    ::)


However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    ::)


NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    ::)


NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by brumbie on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:34pm
I am surprised that the words Islamophobe or Islamaphobic are even used today. Along with Bigot and Racist they are so obviously terms that are old hat and used in the days when the lefties/greenies/muslims lacked any defensive argument.  The days when they were first introduced was when society was able to reason and deliberate fairly and everything in our western day to day life was rosie. It has long been proved that having an "Irrational" fear of Islam is actually rational.Indeed you would have to suspect that they were merely used to provide an escape route for the once rational minded person even for just a few moments whilst they contemplated the reality that evil is just ..well..evil. It doesn't matter whether you are a leftie,a gay. a rightard, a bigot, a racist or even an Islamophobe...IT IS WHAT IT IS ..Unless we learn from History then it is destined to repeat itself...


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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:39pm
In between calling people islamaphobes and bleating that it is only a tiny minority of beardy wierdies is a good way to put your head under the sand and ignore the issue of militant Islam, engage in denial and refuse debate. 


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by brumbie on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Datalife wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
In between calling people islamaphobes and bleating that it is only a tiny minority of beardy wierdies is a good way to put your head under the sand and ignore the issue of militant Islam, engage in denial and refuse debate. 


Precisely, I don't think anyone of us that are opposed to Islam or "Fear" Islam on here constantly use the word "Islamofascist" to describe our detractors?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Bubba Zanetti on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:32pm
Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to  kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:07pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to  kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.


True, Bubby. I blame Islam.

Much easier. Stick to that and you can’t go wrong.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:28pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to  kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.


True, Bubby. I blame Islam.

Much easier. Stick to that and you can’t go wrong.




Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
. The crux to a good joke is not poo, it’s conflict. The essence of all drama is conflict.

Fire away.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:31pm
Good one, old boy. Ha ha ha.

I get it.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:39pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Good one, old boy. Ha ha ha.

I get it.

No you don't.


Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:18pm:
I’ll reward a good critique.

Fire away.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:42pm
Oh, old boy, you’re killing me here!

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 30th, 2014 at 10:56pm

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:32pm:
Gizmo, the common antisemitic view is the jews killed Christ. The christian view is the heart of mankind collectively conspired to  kill Christ. Antisemitic and Christian are not synonymous.


Only on the surface...The 'Christian view' is not in fact the  actually reason for antisemitism.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:42am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    ::)


NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"


No, I disagree.  Islamophobia is at it's most basic an unreasoning fear of Muslims and Islam, Gizmo.  Anti-Semitism a its most basic is also based on an unreasoning fear of Jews and Judiasm.  Excuses are made by both groups to justify that unreasoning fear but deep down, it is simply fear of the "other".  If anti-Semitism is wrong, so is Islamophobia.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:45am

brumbie wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:34pm:
I am surprised that the words Islamophobe or Islamaphobic are even used today. Along with Bigot and Racist they are so obviously terms that are old hat and used in the days when the lefties/greenies/muslims lacked any defensive argument.  The days when they were first introduced was when society was able to reason and deliberate fairly and everything in our western day to day life was rosie. It has long been proved that having an "Irrational" fear of Islam is actually rational.Indeed you would have to suspect that they were merely used to provide an escape route for the once rational minded person even for just a few moments whilst they contemplated the reality that evil is just ..well..evil. It doesn't matter whether you are a leftie,a gay. a rightard, a bigot, a racist or even an Islamophobe...IT IS WHAT IT IS ..Unless we learn from History then it is destined to repeat itself...


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Your claim to rationality for your fear of Islam would be true if you only feared extremist Islam but as Islamophobia manifests itself as an irrational fear of all Islam and all Muslims and produces prejudice and bigotry towards them, it must be considered irrational.

All you're attempting to do is justify and excuse your irrational fear, Brumby.  Until you recognise you have a problem, you'll never cure it.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by wally1 on Oct 31st, 2014 at 7:44am
Man who threatened to burn hijab fined $500, runs from court with head covered

A MAGISTRATE has admonished a man who threatened to torch a Brisbane woman’s hijab with a lighter, labelling his behaviour “offensive” and “anti-social”.

Dominic James Proberts, 44 of Windsor, was fined $500 in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on Monday for assaulting a woman outside the Boundary Hotel at West End in September.

Magistrate John McGrath called the unprovoked attack intolerant and frightening.

“Your behaviour was so offensive and so anti-social that not only was it an attack on this particular complainant, but on all those who seek to follow the religion and dress in this way,” he said.

Proberts erratically sprinted from the court down Roma St after the hearing, with a jacket over his head.

Police prosecutor Sergeant Cheryl Sayer said two women left the Indonesian Islamic Society of Brisbane centre together wearing a hijab that covered their heads, neck and shoulders around 1.30pm on September 6.

he said the women walked along Boundary St at West End when they were accosted by Proberts outside the Boundary Hotel.

Sgt Sayer said Proberts leant forward to one of the woman and extended a cigarette lighter near to her face, saying “I want to burn your f###ing scarf”.

She said the women became frightened and looked to another man who was walking out of the hotel for help.

But Sgt Sayer said that man offered the women little comfort, instead walking past them and uttering the word: “Terrorist.”

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 8:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:42am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
However...the 'idea of Islamophobia' IS justified by the behaviour of the various extremist Islamic groups, that are currently active around the World (like IS, HAMAS, The Muslim Brotherhood etc).

And no, the policies of the Israeli Government have no more bearing on Judaism than the 'policies' of Iran or ISIL(or any other  'Sharia' state do) on Islam..


Haven't you just contradicted yourself?  I don't doubt some anti-Semites justify their position by claiming their opposition to Judiasm is based on what the Israeli government is doing at the moment.  It may be stupid but I don't doubt it just adds more "reasons" to their "thinking".

Doesn't matter if it's Jews or Muslims.  If it's wrong for one group, its wrong for all groups.    ::)


NO I have NOT 'contradict myself' The difference is..that 'radical Islam' is basically an 'anti-Western' political group, or ideology' that is hiding inside Islam...whereas, Antisemitism is an ideology that is based on the 'common' Christian idea that 'the Jews killed Jesus'...

'Antisemitism' covers the entire Jewish religion..and blames them (the Jews) for everything that Jews believe. Which is very different from 'Islamophobia"


No, I disagree.  Islamophobia is at it's most basic an unreasoning fear of Muslims and Islam, Gizmo.  Anti-Semitism a its most basic is also based on an unreasoning fear of Jews and Judiasm.  Excuses are made by both groups to justify that unreasoning fear but deep down, it is simply fear of the "other".  If anti-Semitism is wrong, so is Islamophobia.   ::)

What phobophobic rot.

If 'islamophobia' was a you say a fear of the 'other' then all sorts of 'others' would be feared, not just Islamic ones. Anyway, criticising and disliking something is not a phobia, Brain. Phobias are about something natural, ordinary - not about ideas or ideologies. It is perfectly OK to have a well-founded, well-argued, rational opposition to a set of ideas or an ideology, a religion. Nothing 'phobic' about it. You choose to follow or oppose an ideology. It is not a natural state, beyond your control, whether you are a follower of Mohammed or not. Opposing it doesn't make you phobic. You are just against it.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 9:32am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   ::)

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.


Talk about blaming the victim.  Why am I not surprised by such a comment from person like yourself who is on record for both his islamophobia and his sexist views, Soren?    ::)

Blaming? I am praising her.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 31st, 2014 at 10:34am

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 9:32am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3rd, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Canberra Muslim woman stopped wearing hijab for fear of being attacked. Islamophobia's effect on innocent people.   ::)

Welcome to the 21st century.
Now she is not drawing attention to herself and feels much better for it.
She is free to wear it and others are free to dislike it. She has decided to not stick out. Good.  She is showing respect for the ways and customs of her city.
People show her respect in return. Well done.


Talk about blaming the victim.  Why am I not surprised by such a comment from person like yourself who is on record for both his islamophobia and his sexist views, Soren?    ::)

Blaming? I am praising her.


yes, it sounded like genuine praise to me.

She showed a modicum of common sense.
If she thinks much more she may even drop the cult she is in.
Then I would congratulate her on her new freedom.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 10:46am
Elsewhere in the news:


One in four Australians holds a negative attitude towards Muslims, a national survey has found.

The social cohesion report, published by Monash University and the Scanlon Foundation, measured public attitudes on issues like immigration and multiculturalism.

It found people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.

Report author Professor Andrew Markus said the results were troubling.  "What we're finding is negativity towards Muslims is five times higher than towards Christians and Buddhists, so there's quite a significant issue there," said Professor Markus.

...
According to Professor Markus, Australians had one of the most positive attitudes towards immigration in the western world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-29/one-in-four-australians-had-a-negative-attitude-towards-muslims/5849744

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:00am

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 10:46am:
Elsewhere in the news:


One in four Australians holds a negative attitude towards Muslims, a national survey has found.

The social cohesion report, published by Monash University and the Scanlon Foundation, measured public attitudes on issues like immigration and multiculturalism.

It found people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.



No surprises there.

With the amount of fear-mongering done by you Islamophobes, I'm surprised the number isn't higher.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:17am
Or to put it another way, a vast majority of Australians don't hold negative views towards muslims.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Bubba Zanetti on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:21am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:17am:
Or to put it another way, a vast majority of Australians don't hold negative views towards muslims.

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:17am:
Or to put it another way, a vast majority of Australians don't hold negative views towards muslims.


Over 5 million do.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:15pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 11:17am:
Or to put it another way, a vast majority of Australians don't hold negative views towards muslims.


Over 5 million do.



More than 17 million don't.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm
This is probably more important than anything else - when looking at religions, Islam is way ahead.


Quote:
people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.


This shows that the negative attitude is not towards ALL religions, as the equivalence mongers like to pretend, but is specifically about the followers of Islam.  People can clearly tell the difference between Catholics or Buddhists on the one hand and followers of Islam on the other.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:52pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
This is probably more important than anything else - when looking at religions, Islam is way ahead.


Quote:
people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.


This shows that the negative attitude is not towards ALL religions, as the equivalence mongers like to pretend, but is specifically about the followers of Islam.  People can clearly tell the difference between Catholics or Buddhists on the one hand and followers of Islam on the other.



Again, no surprises here.

The amount of fear-mongering that's going on about Muslims at the moment, is bound to produce those results.

Plus, it's a particularly silly religion anyway.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Bubba Zanetti on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:59pm
:'( :'( :'(
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
This is probably more important than anything else - when looking at religions, Islam is way ahead.


Quote:
people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.


This shows that the negative attitude is not towards ALL religions, as the equivalence mongers like to pretend, but is specifically about the followers of Islam.  People can clearly tell the difference between Catholics or Buddhists on the one hand and followers of Islam on the other.



Again, no surprises here.

The amount of fear-mongering that's going on about Muslims at the moment, is bound to produce those results.

Plus, it's a particularly silly religion anyway.
:'( :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
This is probably more important than anything else - when looking at religions, Islam is way ahead.


Quote:
people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.


This shows that the negative attitude is not towards ALL religions, as the equivalence mongers like to pretend, but is specifically about the followers of Islam.  People can clearly tell the difference between Catholics or Buddhists on the one hand and followers of Islam on the other.



Again, no surprises here.

The amount of fear-mongering that's going on about Muslims at the moment, is bound to produce those results.

Plus, it's a particularly silly religion anyway.



So which one? Fear-mongering or particularly silly?




"Significant changes from the June dataset relate to identification with Australia, trust in government and a change of rankings in the main problems facing Australia.

A strong agreement with the importance of maintaining the Australian way of life is at its highest level since the Scanlon Surveys began in 2007, and sits at 71%. In June, the figure was 49%.

Trust in government increased from 26% in June to 36% in October, the highest level recorded since 2009.

Lastly, in responding to an open-ended question, 17% of respondents cited terrorism and national security as the most important issue facing Australia. This issue was ranked second overall in the October poll. In June, just 1% of respondents nominated the same issue.

Notably, attitudes towards Muslims did not change from June to October."
http://scanlonfoundation.org.au/australians-support-immigration-multiculturalism-national-social-cohesion-research-shows/

The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:09pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
This is probably more important than anything else - when looking at religions, Islam is way ahead.


Quote:
people were five times more likely to hold negative attitudes towards Muslims than any other religious group.


This shows that the negative attitude is not towards ALL religions, as the equivalence mongers like to pretend, but is specifically about the followers of Islam.  People can clearly tell the difference between Catholics or Buddhists on the one hand and followers of Islam on the other.



Again, no surprises here.

The amount of fear-mongering that's going on about Muslims at the moment, is bound to produce those results.

Plus, it's a particularly silly religion anyway.



So which one? Fear-mongering or particularly silly?



Both.

What makes you think there can be only one reason?




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:11pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



How is that surprising?

Seriously?

The fear-mongering has reached epic proportions: in parliament, in the media, in here, etc.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:24pm
it'ld be hard to see many people disliking buddhism.

Or agnosicm, athiesm, christianity, wiccans .............

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:48pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



And let's not forget this piece of fear-mongering from the Abbott "Government":

"Department of Immigration and Border Protection"

What a clever little name change.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:24pm:
it'ld be hard to see many people disliking buddhism.

Or agnosicm, athiesm, christianity, wiccans .............



Scientology?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



And let's not forget this piece of fear-mongering from the Abbott "Government":

"Department of Immigration and Border Protection"

People want elected governments to control the borders, not smugglers.



Public concern over asylum seeker arrivals by boat has dropped. In 2013, the issue was seen as the major problem facing Australia by 12 % of people. In 2014, less than 4% of people hold the same view.

It would seem that acceptance of the government’s measures to stop the arrival of asylum seekers by boat has influenced this outcome,” said Professor Markus.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:59pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



And let's not forget this piece of fear-mongering from the Abbott "Government":

"Department of Immigration and Border Protection"

People want elected governments to control the borders, not smugglers.



What do you need "protection" from, Soren?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:02pm
According to Soren, Ananda Margas and Armenians. The old boy, you see, likes to pretend they're Muselmen.

Shurely shome mishtake, eh?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



And let's not forget this piece of fear-mongering from the Abbott "Government":

"Department of Immigration and Border Protection"

People want elected governments to control the borders, not smugglers.



What do you need "protection" from, Soren?




Unless you are a one worlder, earthian or advocate for open borders I don't think it is controversial that one of the roles of government is to maintain borders.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



And let's not forget this piece of fear-mongering from the Abbott "Government":

"Department of Immigration and Border Protection"

People want elected governments to control the borders, not smugglers.



What do you need "protection" from, Soren?



Public concern over asylum seeker arrivals by boat has dropped. In 2013, the issue was seen as the major problem facing Australia by 12 % of people. In 2014, less than 4% of people hold the same view.

“It would seem that acceptance of the government’s measures to stop the arrival of asylum seekers by boat has influenced this outcome,” said Professor Markus.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 1:03pm:
The attitude towards Islam is unchanged but people are concerned about terrorism and national security.



And let's not forget this piece of fear-mongering from the Abbott "Government":

"Department of Immigration and Border Protection"

People want elected governments to control the borders, not smugglers.



What do you need "protection" from, Soren?



Public concern over asylum seeker arrivals by boat has dropped. In 2013, the issue was seen as the major problem facing Australia by 12 % of people. In 2014, less than 4% of people hold the same view.

“It would seem that acceptance of the government’s measures to stop the arrival of asylum seekers by boat has influenced this outcome,” said Professor Markus.



What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?





Do you always need the government to protect you?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:12pm
Sore End is concerned with their general level of tintedness. They come to this country, take our jobs, marry our women, bludge off our health and welfare systems.

You know, just like poor Sore End.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:31pm
Sore End - that makes me chuckle

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine. The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.

Most of the 'asylum seekers' are queeu jumping economic migrants who could not possibly make the grade as migrants so they resort to queue jumping as 'refugees'.

That is my concern.

And don't bother with your BS about what is illegal and whether there is a queue.

Coming undocumented is an act of intentionally lying to Australia. There is an orderly refugee intake (the queue) that these people seek actively to circumvent (jump).i

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:53pm

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine. The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.


To put it simply, Soren, he lied.  At the time he made that statement, no applications for Asylum had been processed for about 12 months.  How the hell could he determine who was or wasn't a genuine refugee if no one had actually carried out any assessments?

You, however, chose to swallow that statement because it reinforced your Xenophobia.    ::) 

You keep loudly proclaiming it too.   ::)


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:26am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:53pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine. The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.


To put it simply, Soren, he lied. 

Everyone who has a different view to yours  is a lying racist bigot.   The foreign minister would lie about something like this, because the foreign minister is a racist xenophobe.

No Brain, he called a spade a spade. it is well documented and well-known that the boat arrivals ditched their passports and memorised stories in order to be given the benefit of the doubt.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:33am

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine.



Well, no need to be concerned anymore.

All asylum seekers are genuine asylum seekers.  Every single one of them.

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.  This is indisputable.

However, they may not all be genuine refugees, and some certainly aren't.

The good news is, the majority are genuine refugees and the ones who aren't are sent home.

No need to worry anymore, Sore End.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Stratos on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 11:35am

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:
The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.


And yet he hasn't managed to substantiate any of his statement.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/no-evidence-bob-carr-economic-migrants/4821544
http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/28/bob-carr/are-boat-people-economic-migrants/
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

Be rational here Soren, is there any evidence to suggest Bob Carr was telling the truth?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by wally1 on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 12:04pm
Welcome back stratos.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:19pm
ASYLUM-SEEKERS are discarding their passports at soaring rates, sparking renewed calls for boatpeople to be penalised for destroying their identity documents in a bid to help their refugee claims.

Of the 3237 asylum-seekers who admitted to flying to Indonesia on a passport, 3200 did not have any travel documents when they arrived in Australia.

People-smugglers routinely advise their clients to discard their identity documents before arriving in Australia.

The refugee status assessment process operates primarily on a risk model, meaning there can be significant advantages to inventing false identities and claims of persecution.

The absence of documentation also makes it extremely hard to deport failed asylum-seekers, because receiving countries are reluctant to accept those whose nationality is not clear. But it complicates the refugee status assessment process, contributing to the length of time asylum-seekers are held in detention.

The figures showing some 3200 asylum-seekers arrived from Indonesia without documentation - revealed in Senate estimates - cover the period from July 1, 2010, to October 17 last year.

The information is based on admissions made by asylum-seekers during their initial entry interviews with officials.

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the admissions raised serious questions about the validity of many asylum claims.

"It frustrates our assessment process and is done on the assumption that they will receive the benefit of the doubt," Mr Morrison said of the practice of dumping documentation.

"A person's document, if you are a refugee, should be the most important document you hold, because it proves your case. The destruction of those documents raises totally reasonable suspicions about those claims."

Under Coalition policy there would be a presumption against granting refugee status in cases where it could be reasonably assumed the applicant had deliberately destroyed their identity documents.

The policy would not apply to boatpeople who lost their passports under legitimate circumstances: for instance, if they were taken by overseas authorities.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen suggested the Coalition's policy was unworkable and defended Australia's refugee status process as "rigorous".

"People will only be granted protection visas after their claims have been thoroughly tested and they are found to have a genuine fear of persecution," said a spokeswoman for Mr Bowen.

"Mr Morrison should clarify if he would send someone found to be a refugee back to their home country in breach of the Refugee Convention because they didn't have a passport."

The Senate estimates figures also show people-smugglers have been operating well outside Indonesia in the past three years.

Although Indonesia is still far and away favoured as the final staging point for boatpeople since late 2008, 10 vessels have sailed directly from Sri Lanka and four from Malaysia. Another two have sailed directly from the east coast of India, with one launching from Chennai and the second from Pondicherry.

Three boats have sailed from Vietnam, with one leaving directly from Saigon.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Stratos on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:33pm
Soren, I asked you this:


Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 11:35am:
Be rational here Soren, is there any evidence to suggest Bob Carr was telling the truth?


and you respond to another issue, which is the destruction of identification documents, which in no way proves whether a person is a genuine refugee or not.

What rational reason do you have for believing Bob Carr, and what evidence has he provided that his claim is true?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:40pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:33pm:
Soren, I asked you this:


Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 11:35am:
Be rational here Soren, is there any evidence to suggest Bob Carr was telling the truth?


and you respond to another issue, which is the destruction of identification documents, which in no way proves whether a person is a genuine refugee or not.

What rational reason do you have for believing Bob Carr, and what evidence has he provided that his claim is true?



I have no reason to doubt that the 90% of boat arrivals who destroyed their ID did so in order to make it near-impossible not to find them to be refugees. Their true identity and real stories were not compelling enough.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Stratos on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:50pm
OK, I'm assuming because you have abandoned your first claim of:


Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:
That most of them are not genuine.


Because


Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:
The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so.


That you have no supporting claims to back up that statement.  Thats OK, lets move on to your next claim.


Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:40pm:
I have no reason to doubt that the 90% of boat arrivals who destroyed their ID did so in order to make it near-impossible not to find them to be refugees.


So assuming the figure is correct, where are you getting your information on why they would destroy their documents?


Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:40pm:
Their true identity and real stories were not compelling enough.


On what evidence are you basing this claim?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 2:40pm

Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 1:33pm:
Soren, I asked you this:


Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 11:35am:
Be rational here Soren, is there any evidence to suggest Bob Carr was telling the truth?


and you respond to another issue, which is the destruction of identification documents, which in no way proves whether a person is a genuine refugee or not.

What rational reason do you have for believing Bob Carr, and what evidence has he provided that his claim is true?



I have no reason to doubt that the 90% of boat arrivals who destroyed their ID did so in order to make it near-impossible not to find them to be refugees. Their true identity and real stories were not compelling enough.


No, they destroy their passports so they can't be sent back to their country of origin without new passports.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 3:32pm

More Islamophobic attacks.....







ISIS in Australia [who moslems say, are NOT moslems],    ....have attacked moslems in Australia....

That is my take on it, anyway!        :o

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1414992239/0#0



[And ISIS did declare that they intended to attack apostates, didn't they.]




Will this on-moslem-violence never end ?????

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 3:46pm
Shurely shome mishtake.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 3:47pm
Never, Y. As the old boy says, Islam is the enemy. It's very purpose is to be the enemy. Always, absolutely, never ever. On stilts.

How could the violence ever end? You'd have nothing to post about.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:54pm

Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:53pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine. The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.


To put it simply, Soren, he lied. 

Everyone who has a different view to yours  is a lying racist bigot.   


No, they are not.  I often have disagreements with many other posters here and elsewhere but I very rarely call them "lying" anything, unless it is proven they lied.  As for being "racists" and/or "bigots", that depends on what they post.   You however call anybody who has a contrary opinion to yourself about Muslims and Islam an "apologetic", don't you, Soren?   ::)


Quote:
The foreign minister would lie about something like this, because the foreign minister is a racist xenophobe.

No Brain, he called a spade a spade. it is well documented and well-known that the boat arrivals ditched their passports and memorised stories in order to be given the benefit of the doubt.


No, Soren, no assessments had been made, therefore, it was impossible to discover whether or not they were genuine refugees.  If they were not genuine refugees, why hadn't they been deported?   If it was as open and shut as you proclaim, surely they would have all been sent home immediately?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 8:41pm

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:
There is an orderly refugee intake (the queue) that these people seek actively to circumvent (jump)



There is no queue for asylum seekers.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:53pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine. The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.


To put it simply, Soren, he lied. 

Everyone who has a different view to yours  is a lying racist bigot.   


No, they are not.  I often have disagreements with many other posters here and elsewhere but I very rarely call them "lying" anything, unless it is proven they lied.  As for being "racists" and/or "bigots", that depends on what they post.   You however call anybody who has a contrary opinion to yourself about Muslims and Islam an "apologetic", don't you, Soren?   ::)

I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?   I'd call it religious persecution, Soren and guess who does it?  You.    ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:04pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2014 at 7:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 11:53pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 10:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:20pm:
What concerns you about asylum seekers, Sore End?


That most of them are not genuine. The previous Labor Foreign Minister himself said so. He has all the inside info you don't.


To put it simply, Soren, he lied. 

Everyone who has a different view to yours  is a lying racist bigot.   


No, they are not.  I often have disagreements with many other posters here and elsewhere but I very rarely call them "lying" anything, unless it is proven they lied.  As for being "racists" and/or "bigots", that depends on what they post.   You however call anybody who has a contrary opinion to yourself about Muslims and Islam an "apologetic", don't you, Soren?   ::)

I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Old boy, are you arguing here that you’re not a bigot and a racist?

Or are you just feigning offense because Brian uses such supposedly passe terms?

I’m curious.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

Mandela WAS a(n old) black man.  The whole thing about Mandela was that he was BLACK. His Blackness was significant. It was the point.
He could not have been who he was if were WHITE.



Don't be ridiculous, Brain.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by SpecialCharacter on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:
Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   


Is it "racist" to describe someone as an old (well, now dead) black person?

Surely nobody'd be offended by being described as a "black" person any more than as a "white" person - provided they were the requisite tint, of course.

Now, it would be racist to use a racial slur, but that's a whole other post...

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:58pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

Mandela WAS a(n old) black man.  The whole thing about Mandela was that he was BLACK. His Blackness was significant. It was the point.
He could not have been who he was if were WHITE.



Don't be ridiculous, Brain.


Here, the old boy attacks such liberal shiboleths as Nelson Mandella. It was, to the old boy, all a guilt-driven appeasement of an awful darkie victim. Apartheid was a decent Lutheran racial system brought down by an awful bleck victim mentality. This is the old boy’s claim. He’s said it all before.

No mention of the 30 odd years said darkie was imprisoned in the highest possible prison classification for being  BLACK .And being political.

For the old boy, the history of colonialism and Apartheid in South Africa is just a victim tactic by the blecks, who should not be running the joint at all.

Old boy post number two, innit. Insert Rudyard Kipling poem. Just don’t call the old boy a bigot.

That’s not fair.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:59pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Old boy, are you arguing here that you’re not a bigot and a racist?

Or are you just feigning offense because Brian uses such supposedly passe terms?

I’m curious.

No, PB, I am arguing that you are a Paki Bvgger.  Make it what you will. Be even curious. 
Who cares.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 4th, 2014 at 9:11pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
Who cares.


Who cares?

But, old boy, you cared enough to address Brian’s post. You were most taken back at being considered a racist and a bigot. You protested vigourously.

Please care. I’d hate to see such a lover of humanity give up caring.

We believe in you, old boy. Don’t give up on us.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 4th, 2014 at 11:57pm

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

Mandela WAS a(n old) black man.  The whole thing about Mandela was that he was BLACK. His Blackness was significant. It was the point.
He could not have been who he was if were WHITE.

Don't be ridiculous, Brain.


Ah, the political correctness translator strikes, Soren.  I said in fact:


Quote:
Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old n_i_g_g_e_r"?


So, would that be a racist statement in your view?   What would you refer to it as?  "Racism", perhaps?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 5th, 2014 at 2:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it? 



So it's not ok to dislike and criticise any single belief system, say, Nazism, Islam, Catholicism, Satanism, whatever, one has to find something nice, something to like about it to make any criticism fair?  And one has to dislike and criticise all other system in equal measure lest you call them a bigot and a persecutor?

You have the zeal of a heresy sniffer-outer, Brain. You cannot argue, you can only denounce.



Quote:
 I'd call it religious persecution, Soren and guess who does it?  You.    ::) ::)


You are ridiculous.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:12pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it? 



So it's not ok to dislike and criticise any single belief system, say, Nazism, Islam, Catholicism, Satanism, whatever, one has to find something nice, something to like about it to make any criticism fair?  And one has to dislike and criticise all other system in equal measure lest you call them a bigot and a persecutor?


Old boy post number two: the soft bigotry of low expectations. No one has the right to not be offended.

Brian brings out the best in the old boy.

Many thanks, Brain.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:30pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 4th, 2014 at 10:50am:
I and others call you an apologist (a lot milder term than your heresy-sniffing 'racists' and 'bigot') because you excuse yourself from making a judgement on the basis that you are not of their religion or country of origin. You also deliberately conflate criticism of Islam with 'persecution', no less, of every unnamed Muslim, which is a stupid and dishonest thing to do. But you do it because you cannot think of a good argument and so this way you  can simply denounce anyone who criticises Islam and its role in justifying jihad and sharia.


Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old black person"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it? 



So it's not ok to dislike and criticise any single belief system, say, Nazism, Islam, Catholicism, Satanism, whatever, one has to find something nice, something to like about it to make any criticism fair?  And one has to dislike and criticise all other system in equal measure lest you call them a bigot and a persecutor?

You have the zeal of a heresy sniffer-outer, Brain. You cannot argue, you can only denounce.



Quote:
 I'd call it religious persecution, Soren and guess who does it?  You.    ::) ::)


You are ridiculous.


Avoiding the questions, again, Soren?  How unsurprising.   I didn't ask you about motivation, I didn't ask you about alternative belief systems.  I asked you about what do you call a person's argument when it fulfils those requirements.  So, please answer them.

Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old n_i_g_g_e_r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?

How do you identify these sorts of comments, Soren?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:46pm
Brain, come come. The old boy thinks the very idea of racism is ridiculous. Of course the tinted races should be subjugated. To suggest otherwise is old boy post number two: the soft bigotry of low expectations.

After all, we expect much more subjugation from the tinted races, thank you very much. Thwy’re inferior.

Now stop.disturbing the old boy. As Sprint would say, your posts amount to stalking. No one has the right to not be offended, and I think it most unfair that you would infer such mean things about the old boy.

He has feelings too, you know.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Avoiding the questions, again, Soren?  How unsurprising.   I didn't ask you about motivation, I didn't ask you about alternative belief systems.  I asked you about what do you call a person's argument when it fulfils those requirements.  So, please answer them.

Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old n_i_g_g_e_r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?

How do you identify these sorts of comments, Soren?    ::)

Nobody is doing these thing so I don't know why you ask these questions. Unless of course you have already decided the answers. (which you have) In which case why ask the questions?

Either way, you are ridiculous, heresy-sniffing or both.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:52pm
Old boy, why don’t you use old boy post number three and put Brain out of his misery?

Use Rudyard Kipling.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:54pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
Brain, come come. The old boy thinks the very idea of racism is ridiculous. Of course the tinted races should be subjugated. To suggest otherwise is old boy post number two: the soft bigotry of low expectations.

After all, we expect much more subjugation from the tinted races, thank you very much. Thwy’re inferior.

Now stop.disturbing the old boy. As Sprint would say, your posts amount to stalking. No one has the right to not be offended, and I think it most unfair that you would infer such mean things about the old boy.

He has feelings too, you know.

Gibberish.
The only point you are making by acting like a fool, PB, is that you area fool.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:57pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:46pm:
Brain, come come. The old boy thinks the very idea of racism is ridiculous. Of course the tinted races should be subjugated. To suggest otherwise is old boy post number two: the soft bigotry of low expectations.

After all, we expect much more subjugation from the tinted races, thank you very much. Thwy’re inferior.

Now stop.disturbing the old boy. As Sprint would say, your posts amount to stalking. No one has the right to not be offended, and I think it most unfair that you would infer such mean things about the old boy.

He has feelings too, you know.

Gibberish.
The only point you are making by acting like a fool, PB, is that you area fool.


Oh, old boy. That’s old boy post number one. That’s the idiot post.

Good choice.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 5th, 2014 at 11:10pm

Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Avoiding the questions, again, Soren?  How unsurprising.   I didn't ask you about motivation, I didn't ask you about alternative belief systems.  I asked you about what do you call a person's argument when it fulfils those requirements.  So, please answer them.

Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old n_i_g_g_e_r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?

How do you identify these sorts of comments, Soren?    ::)

Nobody is doing these thing so I don't know why you ask these questions.


Of course people are doing these things, Soren.

As to why I ask these questions?  I ask them of course to find out information, to discover your views on the matter.   Why do you so studiously avoiding answering them?  Are they really that hard?    ::)

Why tap dance around them?   Why not just answer them?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Avoiding the questions, again, Soren?  How unsurprising.   I didn't ask you about motivation, I didn't ask you about alternative belief systems.  I asked you about what do you call a person's argument when it fulfils those requirements.  So, please answer them.

Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "old n_i_g_g_e_r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?

How do you identify these sorts of comments, Soren?    ::)

Nobody is doing these thing so I don't know why you ask these questions.


Of course people are doing these things, Soren.

As to why I ask these questions?  I ask them of course to find out information, to discover your views on the matter.   Why do you so studiously avoiding answering them?  Are they really that hard?    ::)

Why tap dance around them?   Why not just answer them?    ::)

You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 6th, 2014 at 6:46pm
Sometimes a question is just a question, old boy.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Nov 6th, 2014 at 6:48pm

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Lol, brilliant, Brian, the witch smeller pursuivant.  ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 6th, 2014 at 7:29pm

Datalife wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Lol, brilliant, Brian, the witch smeller pursuivant.  ;D :D


No no, the old boy sniffs another delicasie. He must assess the grade, you see.

It’s scientific. The old boy’s a Freudian. University of Balogney.

You might have something, DL. Any chance you could bend over for the old boy?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Nov 6th, 2014 at 7:37pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Lol, brilliant, Brian, the witch smeller pursuivant.  ;D :D


No no, the old boy sniffs another delicasie. He must assess the grade, you see.

It’s scientific. The old boy’s a Freudian. University of Balogney.

You might have something, DL. Any chance you could bend over for the old boy?


Gone beyond repetitive static to radio ga ga. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 6th, 2014 at 11:07pm

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Nope.  I'm asking an honest question.  I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is.    ::)

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren?  Well?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 7th, 2014 at 9:25am

Datalife wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Datalife wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Lol, brilliant, Brian, the witch smeller pursuivant.  ;D :D


No no, the old boy sniffs another delicasie. He must assess the grade, you see.

It’s scientific. The old boy’s a Freudian. University of Balogney.

You might have something, DL. Any chance you could bend over for the old boy?


Gone beyond repetitive static to radio ga ga. 


Shurely shome mishtake.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 7th, 2014 at 9:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Nope.  I'm asking an honest question.  I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is.    ::)

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren?  Well?   ::)


It would seem the old boy now deems speculative questions to be verboten.

Hear that, FD? The old boy thinks speculative questions are verboten.

Sometimes a question is just a question, you know.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 7th, 2014 at 1:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Nope.  I'm asking an honest question.  I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is.    ::)

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren?  Well?   ::)



Identifying someone's race is not racism. Identifying cultural traits that are shared by certain races is not racist.  Criticising and disliking a religion or any other belief system is not bigoted.

Lumping questions about race and ideology together, as you do, is really stupid because one is a matter of personal, conscious choice and the other isn't.

Adhering to particular cultural traits that are closely identified with a particular race is also a conscious, personal choice.   So if you are a black man, nobody can fault you for that. But if you are, say, an American black man and you abandon your children (almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers), then you are making a conscious choice and and it is your responsibility. People noticing and speaking out loud about the fact that an awful lot of black American men do this is not racist at all.
Avoiding the toxic ghetto culture is also a personal choice. In the end, are black men (and women) responsible for the state of black culture in America? Yes. Only them? No. But mostly.

Cultivating a belief system - which is what religion is - is a conscious decision. If you join the Labor Party, any criticism of it will reflect on your choice - as will any praise.  Not every member of the Labor Party is like Kevin Rudd? Great. But I can still criticise the Labor Party and do not need to qualify my criticism with "but not everyone in the Labor Party is like Kevni".  I can even say that anyone who joins the Labor Party is suspect. Or the Liberal Party, if that's your bend, Or the Greens, Commies, Nazis, Catholics, Scientologists, atheists.
You don't have to like every belief system and you CAN say that certain ideological choices are suspect. Especially if what you are treating with disdain is in the party manifestos and the sacreed texts and are borne out by the words and deed of the adherents.



Your sniffing for heresy and yapping about 'not every member of [your ideology here] is like every other member" is ludicrous.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 7th, 2014 at 2:18pm
That's right, old boy. Correlation not causation, innit.

The tinted races are only statistically inferior.

That's not racism. That's science.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 7th, 2014 at 2:41pm

+
Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
That's right, old boy. Correlation not causation, innit.

The tinted races are only statistically inferior.

That's not racism. That's science.



Thank you idiot, I can see you understood.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 7th, 2014 at 3:10pm

Soren wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 2:41pm:
+
Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
That's right, old boy. Correlation not causation, innit.

The tinted races are only statistically inferior.

That's not racism. That's science.


Thank you idiot, I can see you understood.


No disagreement there, old chap.

Good to see you concur.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:01pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Good to see you concur.


I concur!

You are an idiot kernel!

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm

Adamant wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Good to see you concur.


I concur!

You are an idiot kernel!


That’s old boy post number one, Caliph. That’s old faithful.

Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write idiot and leave it at that. It inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best in people.

Food for thought, eh?

Miam miam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 8th, 2014 at 7:54am

Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Adamant wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 3:10pm:
Good to see you concur.


I concur!

You are an idiot kernel!


That’s old boy post number one, Caliph. That’s old faithful.

Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write idiot and leave it at that. It inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best in people.

Food for thought, eh?

Miam miam.

  Says the numero uno gibberish poster.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 8th, 2014 at 8:25am
Old boy, you’re doubling up. Gibberish and idiot are the same post.

Get with the program, old boy.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Nov 8th, 2014 at 8:54am

Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm:
Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write STOOL and leave it at that. STOOL inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best STOOL in people.


STOOL for thought, eh Kernel?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 8th, 2014 at 9:27am
It most certainly is food for thought. I love a good STOOL, me. I share this with the old boy, a self-confessed Freudian. Quite brave, I feel.

You simply must have one if the old boy offers, Caliph. He uses his Mormor’s recipe.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 8th, 2014 at 9:30am

Adamant wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm:
Instead of actually posting things, it can be a lot easier to write STOOL and leave it at that. STOOL inspires debate, you see. It brings out the best STOOL in people.


STOOL for thought, eh Kernel?


Sorry, did you say STOOL? I thought you said stollen!

Still, one does need somewhere nice to sit, you know.

Danish modern, innit.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 9th, 2014 at 4:28pm

Soren wrote on Nov 7th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 6th, 2014 at 3:27pm:
You are not asking honest questions. you are sniffing for heresy.


Nope.  I'm asking an honest question.  I'm trying to figure out how you can hold such a strange belief that you aren't allowed to correctly identify an argument for what it is.    ::)

If it isn't "racism", then what is it, Soren?  Well?   ::)



Identifying someone's race is not racism. Identifying cultural traits that are shared by certain races is not racist. 


Ah, so the use of the pejorative "n_i_g_g_e_r" isn't "racist" then, Soren?

Identifying their "race" isn't racist, I'll admit but identifying it with a pejorative, insulting term is, isn't it?   ::)


Quote:
Criticising and disliking a religion or any other belief system is not bigoted.


Surely it is, after you keep repeating the same views, despite them being shown to be incorrect and pejorative, Soren?  If you were making such views known once or even twice, I'd agree, they weren't bigoted but making them continuously and knowing they are because of pejorative beliefs, not facts, would be, now wouldn't it, Soren?


Quote:
Lumping questions about race and ideology together, as you do, is really stupid because one is a matter of personal, conscious choice and the other isn't.


Ah, but in this context, I have not.  I have carefully separated them out, now haven't, I, Soren, to prevent you from deliberately conflating them as you usually do.   So, why are you adverse to answering the questions?


Quote:
Adhering to particular cultural traits that are closely identified with a particular race is also a conscious, personal choice.   So if you are a black man, nobody can fault you for that. But if you are, say, an American black man and you abandon your children (almost 70 percent of black children are born to single mothers), then you are making a conscious choice and and it is your responsibility. People noticing and speaking out loud about the fact that an awful lot of black American men do this is not racist at all.


Ah, so this justifies calling them "n_i_g_g_e_r_s", does it, Soren?   ::)


Quote:
Avoiding the toxic ghetto culture is also a personal choice. In the end, are black men (and women) responsible for the state of black culture in America? Yes. Only them? No. But mostly.


So, you admit that the surrounding white culture and of course it's history of it's interaction with black culture has some hand in forming this "toxic ghetto culture"?


Quote:
Cultivating a belief system - which is what religion is - is a conscious decision. If you join the Labor Party, any criticism of it will reflect on your choice - as will any praise.  Not every member of the Labor Party is like Kevin Rudd? Great. But I can still criticise the Labor Party and do not need to qualify my criticism with "but not everyone in the Labor Party is like Kevni".  I can even say that anyone who joins the Labor Party is suspect. Or the Liberal Party, if that's your bend, Or the Greens, Commies, Nazis, Catholics, Scientologists, atheists.
You don't have to like every belief system and you CAN say that certain ideological choices are suspect. Especially if what you are treating with disdain is in the party manifestos and the sacreed texts and are borne out by the words and deed of the adherents.


Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then?   So, if you blame the entire Labor Party for say, the mistakes of it's leader, Kevin Rudd, despite the general membership actually having very little ability to select the Parliamentary Leader, is OK?

So, if a single Muslim decides to go on a murderous rampage because of a mental health problem you're content with blaming his religion, yet when a single Christian decides to go a murderous rampage because of a mental health problem, you're content not to blame his religion?   And because you blame the Muslim's religion for his actions, therefore you believe all Muslims are of course responsible for what ever crime he has committed but not all Christians are for the the crimes of the Christian?

Do you detect any inconsistency in that approach as a Psychiatrist? 


Quote:
Your sniffing for heresy and yapping about 'not every member of [your ideology here] is like every other member" is ludicrous.


Is it?  Or have I exposed the inconsistencies and of course contradictions in your think, again, Soren?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then? 

No, dickhead, I believe in taking responsibility for what you believe in. After all, it is an entirely free choice. 

You believe in Islam? You are responsible for that belief.

Got it?

Probably not.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am

Soren wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then? 

No, dickhead, I believe in taking responsibility for what you believe in. After all, it is an entirely free choice. 

You believe in Islam? You are responsible for that belief.

Got it?

Probably not.


So, they are not responsible for the actions of what their fellow co-religionists have done?  I just want to be clear.

Now, why don't you answer the other points I've made, Soren?

I enjoy exploring your belief system, which of course you are solely responsible for, right?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 10th, 2014 at 10:01am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
I enjoy exploring your belief system, which of course you are solely responsible for, right?


Absolutely not. The only person responsible for the old boy's belief system is the Muselmen.

It's an existential question. Your Muslim is the enemy, you see. He has always been the enemy. His very purpose is to be the enemy. Always, absolutely, never ever.

How can the old boy be responsible for his belief system?

I blame Islam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
I enjoy exploring your belief system, which of course you are solely responsible for, right?


You really are a masochist Brian.  How is the Psych degree going, by the way?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 11th, 2014 at 5:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:

Soren wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Ah, so, you do believe in "guilt by association" then? 

No, dickhead, I believe in taking responsibility for what you believe in. After all, it is an entirely free choice. 

You believe in Islam? You are responsible for that belief.

Got it?

Probably not.


So, they are not responsible for the actions of what their fellow co-religionists have done?  I just want to be clear.



If their co-religions expressly acted in the name of their shared religion, then they are responsible. They have shaped their shared religion as much as all their co-religionists. If they haven't and it has gone to the dogs, they should step up and shape it into something they can be proud of.

Belief is a personal choice of conscience, not a fate.  You are responsible.

Communists resigned from the party when membership was unconscionable.Catholics leave the Church, people leave belief systems. They are not immutable, even if they pretend to be Allah's final word.

There comes a point when you either do not want to associate with your co-religionists or you take upon yourself the correction of your religion.  If you area mere fellow-traveller all your life then you probably can't be bothered either way - in which case you are, well, a fellow traveller, rather than a committed believer -  and so you do not much care about the reputation.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Now, why don't you answer the other points I've made, Soren?



I don't know what they were. Repost them.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 16th, 2014 at 4:45pm

Soren wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
I don't know what they were. Repost them.


For those whom appear to enjoy tap dancing...


Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "n-i-g-g-e-r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm
If they are criticizing muslims / islam you call it warranted.

islam is a 7th century doctrine of hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc.

muslims who accept the above religious philosophy (which causes muslims to be mass murderers etc. etc.) as being the final perfect word of their god allah, are just as guilty as any muslim who commits the atrocities. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
I don't know what they were. Repost them.


For those whom appear to enjoy tap dancing...


Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "n-i-g-g-e-r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?



If someone jumps to the accusation of 'racists!!!!' I condemn that.  Nelson Mandela was a black man. Nige r is an unpleasant word for black people but it's a word, like f vck for making love. Whatchagonna do? Honkey is a white person. Pom is an Englishman. Chink is an east Asian. Using these words is impolite and in most settings unwelcome. But blacks call each other n iggers all the time, so they are switched onto the po-mo irony of language in a way you, po-faced little heresy sniffer, never will be.



Bigoted - well, kiss my Lutheran arse, you little anti-religious equal opportunity knocker of all religions (except Islam of course). Is that bigoted? Is any disagreement with Islam bigoted? You never worry about religion, numpty, you only ever worry about Islam. Can you please model for us the correct criticism of Islam? (we will be waiting foir a very, very long time).


Criticising religion - why the bloody hell can't anyone criticise any religion as long as they want? There are people where who criticise the Libs and Labor, left and right without letup. What the bloody hell is so special about Islam (other than the underlying, seething threat of violence) that it cannot be criticised without letup? I don't think it has any redeeming features. Are you going to censor what I think?  Why can't Islam be criticised without letup?
So I have to cuddle Nazism for 10 minutes in every hour of criticism? 20 minutes? Half and half?


What I like about this Forum is that I can come across people like you, who do not exist in the real world because they would not dare to be so amazingly stupid in front of people who know them. 



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:46pm

moses wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm:
If they are criticizing muslims / islam you call it warranted.

islam is a 7th century doctrine of hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc.

muslims who accept the above religious philosophy (which causes muslims to be mass murderers etc. etc.) as being the final perfect word of their god allah, are just as guilty as any muslim who commits the atrocities. 


You really are in denial about your own religion, Moses.  Makes your claim that you're not bigoted, a joke.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:55pm

Soren wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
I don't know what they were. Repost them.


For those whom appear to enjoy tap dancing...


Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "n-i-g-g-e-r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?



If someone jumps to the accusation of 'racists!!!!' I condemn that.  Nelson Mandela was a black man. Nige r is an unpleasant word for black people but it's a word, like f vck for making love. Whatchagonna do? Honkey is a white person. Pom is an Englishman. Chink is an east Asian. Using these words is impolite and in most settings unwelcome. But blacks call each other n iggers all the time, so they are switched onto the po-mo irony of language in a way you, po-faced little heresy sniffer, never will be.


So, then I take it you're perfectly OK with and accepting of the concepts of racism - that one race is superior to another on the basis of biological determinism - the colour of one's skin, the shape of one's eyes/nose/ears/etc, determines one's psychological and intelligence characteristics, Soren?  Afterall the use of racist language is merely the outward expression of such beliefs, right?


Quote:
Bigoted - well, kiss my Lutheran arse, you little anti-religious equal opportunity knocker of all religions (except Islam of course). Is that bigoted? Is any disagreement with Islam bigoted? You never worry about religion, numpty, you only ever worry about Islam. Can you please model for us the correct criticism of Islam? (we will be waiting foir a very, very long time).


You seem to miss the point - again - perhaps deliberately.  Bigotry is when an argument's rightness or wrongness is determined on the basis of the belief and prejudice of the person making it, not on the basis of its merits.  ie, "He is a Muslim, therefore he is wrong!"  or "Catholics are all Papists and their church is corrupt, therefore they wrong!"   Doesn't matter whether the argument is wrong or right, what is more important is the source, Soren.  So therefore, the point, "Islam has a big emphasis on charity and respect for the aged," is immaterial, it is damned in the eyes of the bigot because it is Islam, not whether or not it is correct or commendable.    According to you, it seems, this is perfectly OK.   Which suggests what about your viewpoint?


Quote:
Criticising religion - why the bloody hell can't anyone criticise any religion as long as they want? There are people where who criticise the Libs and Labor, left and right without letup. What the bloody hell is so special about Islam (other than the underlying, seething threat of violence) that it cannot be criticised without letup? I don't think it has any redeeming features. Are you going to censor what I think?  Why can't Islam be criticised without letup?
So I have to cuddle Nazism for 10 minutes in every hour of criticism? 20 minutes? Half and half?


Comparing apples and oranges again, Soren?

So, I take it you have no problems with anti-Semitism?   ::)


Quote:
What I like about this Forum is that I can come across people like you, who do not exist in the real world because they would not dare to be so amazingly stupid in front of people who know them. 


You call it "stupidity", I call it common decency.  How often do you rail about a person's religion in front of them the way you go on about Islam?  You must lead a very lonely existence if you have no consideration of the feelings and emotions of others...    ::)


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Nov 16th, 2014 at 6:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:55pm:
So, then I take it you're perfectly OK with and accepting of the concepts of racism - that one race is superior to another on the basis of biological determinism - the colour of one's skin, the shape of one's eyes/nose/ears/etc, determines one's psychological and intelligence characteristics, Soren?  Afterall the use of racist language is merely the outward expression of such beliefs, right?


Well done Brian, you do know what racism is, finally you have looked at a dictionary.  You have been using it incorrectly to label those who do not agree with your preffered border policies.  :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 5:31pm:
I don't know what they were. Repost them.


For those whom appear to enjoy tap dancing...


Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Soren, if someone posts something that is obviously "racist" (and the issue of "race", not religion - just to stop your usual tap dancing), what do you refer to it as?  Say, if someone was to call Nelson Mandella an "n-i-g-g-e-r"?   

So, if someone posts something that is obviously "bigoted" (towards religion), what do you refer to it as?   Say, if someone was to suggested that, "All Catholics kiss the Pope's arse and worship Satan"?

So, if someone continually criticises one religion and it's adherents, without let up and in an often unwarranted way, despite being criticised themselves for doing it, what do you call it?



If someone jumps to the accusation of 'racists!!!!' I condemn that.  Nelson Mandela was a black man. Nige r is an unpleasant word for black people but it's a word, like f vck for making love. Whatchagonna do? Honkey is a white person. Pom is an Englishman. Chink is an east Asian. Using these words is impolite and in most settings unwelcome. But blacks call each other n iggers all the time, so they are switched onto the po-mo irony of language in a way you, po-faced little heresy sniffer, never will be.


So, then I take it you're perfectly OK with and accepting of the concepts of racism - that one race is superior to another on the basis of biological determinism - the colour of one's skin, the shape of one's eyes/nose/ears/etc, determines one's psychological and intelligence characteristics, Soren?  Afterall the use of racist language is merely the outward expression of such beliefs, right?


Quote:
Bigoted - well, kiss my Lutheran arse, you little anti-religious equal opportunity knocker of all religions (except Islam of course). Is that bigoted? Is any disagreement with Islam bigoted? You never worry about religion, numpty, you only ever worry about Islam. Can you please model for us the correct criticism of Islam? (we will be waiting foir a very, very long time).


You seem to miss the point - again - perhaps deliberately.  Bigotry is when an argument's rightness or wrongness is determined on the basis of the belief and prejudice of the person making it, not on the basis of its merits.  ie, "He is a Muslim, therefore he is wrong!"  or "Catholics are all Papists and their church is corrupt, therefore they wrong!"   Doesn't matter whether the argument is wrong or right, what is more important is the source, Soren.  So therefore, the point, "Islam has a big emphasis on charity and respect for the aged," is immaterial, it is damned in the eyes of the bigot because it is Islam, not whether or not it is correct or commendable.    According to you, it seems, this is perfectly OK.   Which suggests what about your viewpoint?

[quote]
Criticising religion - why the bloody hell can't anyone criticise any religion as long as they want? There are people where who criticise the Libs and Labor, left and right without letup. What the bloody hell is so special about Islam (other than the underlying, seething threat of violence) that it cannot be criticised without letup? I don't think it has any redeeming features. Are you going to censor what I think?  Why can't Islam be criticised without letup?
So I have to cuddle Nazism for 10 minutes in every hour of criticism? 20 minutes? Half and half?


Comparing apples and oranges again, Soren?

So, I take it you have no problems with anti-Semitism?   ::)


Quote:
What I like about this Forum is that I can come across people like you, who do not exist in the real world because they would not dare to be so amazingly stupid in front of people who know them. 


You call it "stupidity", I call it common decency.  How often do you rail about a person's religion in front of them the way you go on about Islam?  You must lead a very lonely existence if you have no consideration of the feelings and emotions of others...    ::)

[/quote]


I think you are terrible, dishonest w anker and an idiot.

Can I think that? 
Or are you going to raid my mind and impose your stupid, fascist heresy-sniffing nonsense on what I think?




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:37pm

Soren wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
I think you are terrible, dishonest w anker and an idiot.


What have I just posted which is "dishonest", Soren?   ::)


Quote:
Can I think that? 
Or are you going to raid my mind and impose your stupid, fascist heresy-sniffing nonsense on what I think?


Soren, you're welcome to think what you like but when you post it here don't expect me not to criticise it.  I'm all in favour of Freedom of Speech but don't assumed that equates to Freedom From Criticism.   ::)



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 17th, 2014 at 12:37pm

moses wrote on Nov 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm:
If they are criticizing muslims / islam you call it warranted.


Depends, is it warranted to criticise an entire religion and all it's followers for what a minority do?

So, how are you Christians getting on with your Paedophile thing again?   Oh, and that Christian Terrorism stuff?  Corruption in the Catholic Church?  Just so many things that Christianity needs to address, right?  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Nov 17th, 2014 at 4:16pm
moses wrote:
Quote:
If they are criticizing muslims / islam you call it warranted.

islam is a 7th century doctrine of hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc.

muslims who accept the above religious philosophy (which causes muslims to be mass murderers etc. etc.) as being the final perfect word of their god allah, are just as guilty as any muslim who commits the atrocities.
 

Hotbreath wrote:
Quote:
Depends, is it warranted to criticise an entire religion and all it's followers for what a minority do?

So, how are you Christians getting on with your Paedophile thing again?   Oh, and that Christian Terrorism stuff?  Corruption in the Catholic Church?  Just so many things that Christianity needs to address, right?


You once again have tried to use dishonesty as your defence of islamic terrorism. You desperately tried to shy away from the issue of doctrine being responsible for islamic atrocities.

Yes it is warranted to criticize all muslims who accept the islamic doctrine of hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc. as being the final and perfect commands of allah / teachings of muhammad.

As for the Christians you allude to, I believe the law is following due process, as it should. I can find no Christian doctrine they are following so The full force of the law is the answer to the problem.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 17th, 2014 at 5:14pm

moses wrote on Nov 17th, 2014 at 4:16pm:
moses wrote:
Quote:
If they are criticizing muslims / islam you call it warranted.

islam is a 7th century doctrine of hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc.

muslims who accept the above religious philosophy (which causes muslims to be mass murderers etc. etc.) as being the final perfect word of their god allah, are just as guilty as any muslim who commits the atrocities.
 

Hotbreath wrote: [quote]Depends, is it warranted to criticise an entire religion and all it's followers for what a minority do?

So, how are you Christians getting on with your Paedophile thing again?   Oh, and that Christian Terrorism stuff?  Corruption in the Catholic Church?  Just so many things that Christianity needs to address, right?


You once again have tried to use dishonesty as your defence of islamic terrorism.
[/quote]

Where have I defended Terrorism?


Quote:
You desperately tried to shy away from the issue of doctrine being responsible for islamic atrocities.


You desperately shy away from any responsibility for the failings of your religion and your co-religionists.


Quote:
Yes it is warranted to criticize all muslims who accept the islamic doctrine of hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc. as being the final and perfect commands of allah / teachings of muhammad.

As for the Christians you allude to, I believe the law is following due process, as it should. I can find no Christian doctrine they are following so The full force of the law is the answer to the problem.


Yet they believe they are following Christian doctrine.

Who are you to declare them apostates?  What authority do you have?  You're a nobody who is a notable racist/bigot/religious persecutor!  You try and shirk all responsibility for what your co-religionists are doing in the name of your religion.  They are promoting "hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, etc." and you're acting as their apologist!  You should be deported immediately!  All your kind should be nuked, immediately!    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Nov 18th, 2014 at 2:20pm
I let the doctrine of Christianity define what is and isn't a Christian process.

Jut because someone says they are something, doesn't automatically mean they are what they say. (The jails are full of people who claim they are innocent, yet the law says differently.)

According to you these criminals must be innocent because they say so.

I also let the doctrine of islam define what is and isn't an islamic activity. 

Hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, torture, mass murder etc., are all ordained as the higher ideals for muslims, all of these commands / teachings of islam are the root cause of islamic terrorism. If you support the root cause, you support the atrocities / terrorism it spawns.

Unlike you I am quiet willing to let doctrine be my rule of thumb when examining a religion.

muslims and their apologists are running scared of the issue: islamic doctrine causes torture, terrorism and mass murder.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:25pm

moses wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 2:20pm:
I let the doctrine of Christianity define what is and isn't a Christian process.

Jut because someone says they are something, doesn't automatically mean they are what they say. (The jails are full of people who claim they are innocent, yet the law says differently.)

According to you these criminals must be innocent because they say so.

I also let the doctrine of islam define what is and isn't an islamic activity. 

Hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, terrorism, self alienation from normal society, torture, mass murder etc., are all ordained as the higher ideals for muslims, all of these commands / teachings of islam are the root cause of islamic terrorism. If you support the root cause, you support the atrocities / terrorism it spawns.

Unlike you I am quiet willing to let doctrine be my rule of thumb when examining a religion.

muslims and their apologists are running scared of the issue: islamic doctrine causes torture, terrorism and mass murder.




Oh, the sweet irony.   Moses why do you apply these principles only to Christians and not to Muslims?  Oh, that's right, you're a bigot, sorry, I forgot.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Why do you assume that your interpretation of any religion is the correct one?  Oh, thats right, you're a bigot, sorry, I forgot.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

So, how long have you been working for IS?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Datalife on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:24pm

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.


In luvvie land, beheading and blowing up ancient monuments is exactly the same on the  sandalista equivalency scale as paint balling. 

Best to just pity them for thier poverty of thought. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:28pm

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.


Got to do some work on the sincerity there.  Of course, this is an issue of principle.  Principle is something you can't cope with, can you, Soren unless it's white, Anglo-Celtic, Christians who are the victims...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:53pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.


Got to do some work on the sincerity there.  Of course, this is an issue of principle.  Principle is something you can't cope with, can you, Soren unless it's white, Anglo-Celtic, Christians who are the victims...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D



If only the Christians in "Muslims lands" had no greater problem than the occasional "partially splattered with paint" headache.

Alas, the Muslims are actually killing them. Raping them. Not partially spattering them with paint, but killing and raping  them. Can you see that there is no equivalence?
Can you? There is no equivalence of principle.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Nov 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm

After the last display of islam, ALL muslims disgust me

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 18th, 2014 at 10:22pm
After the last display of cut and paste repetition, all New Zealanders disgust me.

Ban them.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 18th, 2014 at 11:27pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 10:07pm:
After the last display of islam, ALL muslims disgust me


We know your disgust threshold is rather low, Sprint.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 19th, 2014 at 10:54am

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.


Got to do some work on the sincerity there.  Of course, this is an issue of principle.  Principle is something you can't cope with, can you, Soren unless it's white, Anglo-Celtic, Christians who are the victims...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D



If only the Christians in "Muslims lands" had no greater problem than the occasional "partially splattered with paint" headache.

Alas, the Muslims are actually killing them. Raping them. Not partially spattering them with paint, but killing and raping  them. Can you see that there is no equivalence?
Can you? There is no equivalence of principle.


It starts with paint splattering and ends up where Soren?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Nov 19th, 2014 at 3:46pm

Quote:
It starts with paint splattering and ends up where Soren?


With muslims it starts with: hate speech, jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, as the commands of allah / teachings of muhammad in the qur'an.

With muslims it ends with: rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 19th, 2014 at 6:57pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.


Got to do some work on the sincerity there.  Of course, this is an issue of principle.  Principle is something you can't cope with, can you, Soren unless it's white, Anglo-Celtic, Christians who are the victims...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D



If only the Christians in "Muslims lands" had no greater problem than the occasional "partially splattered with paint" headache.

Alas, the Muslims are actually killing them. Raping them. Not partially spattering them with paint, but killing and raping  them. Can you see that there is no equivalence?
Can you? There is no equivalence of principle.


It starts with paint splattering and ends up where Soren?




How did the Muslims end up raping and killing Christians in the Middle East?? Where did that start?  Why are you coming up with this eyewateringly stupid, idotic, dishonest and disgraceful response when Kristallnacht is happening now and is perpetrated by Muslims agianst Christians, against other non-Muslims and Muslims of the wrong doctrine.

Muslim are carrying out murderous, violent, fascists pogroms NOW, dick'ead, in the name of Islam. It is happening NOW. You shrug your shoulders and go into swivel-eyed faux-concern about a bit of paint - so you do not have to address the Islamic pogroms.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Nov 19th, 2014 at 7:51pm

More Islamophobic attacks against a moslem community in Mombasa, Kenya





Quote:

Kenya: Police raid two Mombasa mosques, find grenades and ammunition

Nov 18, 2014 10:37 am | Robert Spencer
Google


Kenyan Police.

Typical Islamophobes !!!!








Later, the moslem community in Mombasa [who are the victims of Kenyan police brutality, FOR DARING TO SEARCH THEIR MOSQUE!!!!] show their displeasure with those worthless infidels!!!!.....



Quote:

Kenya: Muslims rampage after mosque counterterror raids, stab four people to death at bus stops

Nov 18, 2014 10:55 am | Robert Spencer

“Muslim clerics and human rights groups have condemned the raids, which they say will only reinforce feelings that police are targeting the entire Muslim community in Mombasa.”

Same old story everywhere:
Muslims who claim to oppose jihad terror complain about measures taken to prevent jihad terror attacks, claiming they will only make matters worse.
Google




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Nov 19th, 2014 at 7:58pm

More Islamophobic attacks against a moslem community in Jerusalem





Quote:
Guardian deletes reference to “Palestinians” as perps of synagogue jihad murders,

CNN labels synagogue “mosque”

Nov 18, 2014

“In a reporting gaffe, CNN superimposed their preliminary coverage of the terror attack with the headline:

‘Deadly attack on Jerusalem mosque.'”

Isn’t it funny how all these mainstream media “gaffes” all go in one direction.
Google




I blame those Joos!!!!!!!



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Nov 19th, 2014 at 8:10pm

More Islamophobic attacks against a moslem community in Jerusalem





Quote:

Before synagogue jihad murders,

Hamas released video calling for more attacks in Jerusalem

Nov 18, 2014
Google


Some people are actually blaming Hamas, for the attacks on Jews in Jerusalem, in Israel !!!!!!!!

This is outrageous!!!!

'Hamas is peace!!!!'




I blame those Joos!!!!!!!




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 20th, 2014 at 7:04pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 19th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 18th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
Now, diverting back to the original purpose of the thread:

Attack on mosque at Rockingham in WA leaves building partly spattered with paint

Moses, Yadda, Soren, Freediver, Baron, any of you going to condemn this act of vandalism?  No, I didn't think so...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



Muslim behead aid workers on youtube, riot on the streets over vids and cartoons, plot and carry out bloody mayhem in Western cities - versus building partly spattered with paint.


Terrible. Just terrible. Condemn, condemn.  What is the world coming to??? PARTLY splattered with paint?? Very, very concerning, that.  I for one am very concerned and I mean it. Very, very concerned. VERY, VERY concerned. And condemn, of course, I condemn, always.


Got to do some work on the sincerity there.  Of course, this is an issue of principle.  Principle is something you can't cope with, can you, Soren unless it's white, Anglo-Celtic, Christians who are the victims...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D



If only the Christians in "Muslims lands" had no greater problem than the occasional "partially splattered with paint" headache.

Alas, the Muslims are actually killing them. Raping them. Not partially spattering them with paint, but killing and raping  them. Can you see that there is no equivalence?
Can you? There is no equivalence of principle.


It starts with paint splattering and ends up where Soren?




How did the Muslims end up raping and killing Christians in the Middle East?? Where did that start?  Why are you coming up with this eyewateringly stupid, idotic, dishonest and disgraceful response when Kristallnacht is happening now and is perpetrated by Muslims agianst Christians, against other non-Muslims and Muslims of the wrong doctrine.

Muslim are carrying out murderous, violent, fascists pogroms NOW, dick'ead, in the name of Islam. It is happening NOW. You shrug your shoulders and go into swivel-eyed faux-concern about a bit of paint - so you do not have to address the Islamic pogroms.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:04pm
NOW?

But, old boy, what happened to.ALWAYS?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:15pm

Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Muslim are carrying out murderous, violent, fascists pogroms NOW, dick'ead, in the name of Islam. It is happening NOW. You shrug your shoulders and go into swivel-eyed faux-concern about a bit of paint - so you do not have to address the Islamic pogroms.


So, the Muslims attending the Mosque in Rockingham have been involved in "murderous, violent, fascists[sic] pogroms,"  Soren?

Really?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by DifferentFrequency on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:41pm
Forgif mien intrusion gentlemen, but vye are vee concerned in the least what middle easterners do to each uzher in za middle east?

Vee only haff one concern and zat iss to see to zee prosperity of zee reic....er ahem, excuze me, zee Country.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Nov 20th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
NOW?

But, old boy, what happened to.ALWAYS?



The Armenian genocide.

It never happened.

Around 1.5 million people were slaughtered by moslems.

But it never happened.

Ask any moslem Turk.i


Here is your chance, K !!!!!!!

i.e.
Don't behave like an intellectual cripple.








Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 1:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Muslim are carrying out murderous, violent, fascists pogroms NOW, dick'ead, in the name of Islam. It is happening NOW. You shrug your shoulders and go into swivel-eyed faux-concern about a bit of paint - so you do not have to address the Islamic pogroms.


So, the Muslims attending the Mosque in Rockingham have been involved in "murderous, violent, fascists[sic] pogroms,"  Soren?

Really?   ::)



Muslims are committing murderous pogroms across the middle east in the name of Islam.  What can the Rockingham Muslims -  and the Lakemba ones and all the others across this country and across the world - do to stop it?

Muslim pogroms have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, with Muslims, with anyone.  A partially paint splattered mosque, on the other hand, is proof of ingrained, world-wide, outrageous Islamophobia.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 7:43pm

Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Muslim are carrying out murderous, violent, fascists pogroms NOW, dick'ead, in the name of Islam. It is happening NOW. You shrug your shoulders and go into swivel-eyed faux-concern about a bit of paint - so you do not have to address the Islamic pogroms.


So, the Muslims attending the Mosque in Rockingham have been involved in "murderous, violent, fascists[sic] pogroms,"  Soren?

Really?   ::)



Muslims are committing murderous pogroms across the middle east in the name of Islam.  What can the Rockingham Muslims -  and the Lakemba ones and all the others across this country and across the world - do to stop it?


Nothing, Soren 'cause guess what, they are not in the Middle East!  Rather simple, really but it appears you are geographically challenged as well as being unduly obsessed with faecal matter.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 10:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Muslim are carrying out murderous, violent, fascists pogroms NOW, dick'ead, in the name of Islam. It is happening NOW. You shrug your shoulders and go into swivel-eyed faux-concern about a bit of paint - so you do not have to address the Islamic pogroms.


So, the Muslims attending the Mosque in Rockingham have been involved in "murderous, violent, fascists[sic] pogroms,"  Soren?

Really?   ::)



Muslims are committing murderous pogroms across the middle east in the name of Islam.  What can the Rockingham Muslims -  and the Lakemba ones and all the others across this country and across the world - do to stop it?


Nothing, Soren 'cause guess what, they are not in the Middle East!  Rather simple, really but it appears you are geographically challenged as well as being unduly obsessed with faecal matter.   ::)



Ummah, Ummah
Stick it up yer jumper.



There is a global Islamic network - ummah. geography is irrelevant to it.

Hello??!!




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm
So, when are you going to hold Jews responsible for the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories, Soren?  Mmm?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Jewish network as well!

And what about the Christians being responsible for the Rwandan Genocide?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Christian network, now isn't there?

As usual, your bigotry and religious persecution is revealed for everybody to see, Soren.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
So, when are you going to hold Jews responsible for the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories, Soren?  Mmm?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Jewish network as well!

And what about the Christians being responsible for the Rwandan Genocide?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Christian network, now isn't there?

As usual, your bigotry and religious persecution is revealed for everybody to see, Soren.    ::)



So by making these links you recognise that Muslims are responsible for all the atrocities committed by Muslims.

Thank you.  You may f Vck off now.  You have proved my point.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:36pm

Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
So, when are you going to hold Jews responsible for the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories, Soren?  Mmm?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Jewish network as well!

And what about the Christians being responsible for the Rwandan Genocide?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Christian network, now isn't there?

As usual, your bigotry and religious persecution is revealed for everybody to see, Soren.    ::)



So by making these links you recognise that Muslims are responsible for all the atrocities committed by Muslims.


Actually, I'm not but I'm also not surprised you fail to see that, Soren.

Unlike you, I don't believe in Guilt by Association.   Jews in Australia are not responsible for any terrorist attacks made by Jews in the Occupied Territories.   Christians in Australia are not responsible for the Rwandan Genocide.  All I've done is point out how your bigotry makes you believe Muslims are somehow different... ::)


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 6:14pm


A sentiment which appears to be unpopular among too many here.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:36pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
So, when are you going to hold Jews responsible for the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories, Soren?  Mmm?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Jewish network as well!

And what about the Christians being responsible for the Rwandan Genocide?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Christian network, now isn't there?

As usual, your bigotry and religious persecution is revealed for everybody to see, Soren.    ::)



So by making these links you recognise that Muslims are responsible for all the atrocities committed by Muslims.


Actually, I'm not but I'm also not surprised you fail to see that, Soren.

Unlike you, I don't believe in Guilt by Association.   Jews in Australia are not responsible for any terrorist attacks made by Jews in the Occupied Territories.   Christians in Australia are not responsible for the Rwandan Genocide.  All I've done is point out how your bigotry makes you believe Muslims are somehow different... ::)

Crap.

Jews know they are responsible for Judaism, Christians for Christianity. Only Muslims and their stupid, spineless apologists like you  come up with the crap idea that somehow Muslims - freely choosing to identify as Muslims - are not responsible for Islam -  an ideology you can belong to ONLY if you choose to do so.


This is not guilt by association but taking responsibility for a FREELY chosen ideology you identify with.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 24th, 2014 at 12:17am

Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:36pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
So, when are you going to hold Jews responsible for the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories, Soren?  Mmm?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Jewish network as well!

And what about the Christians being responsible for the Rwandan Genocide?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Christian network, now isn't there?

As usual, your bigotry and religious persecution is revealed for everybody to see, Soren.    ::)



So by making these links you recognise that Muslims are responsible for all the atrocities committed by Muslims.


Actually, I'm not but I'm also not surprised you fail to see that, Soren.

Unlike you, I don't believe in Guilt by Association.   Jews in Australia are not responsible for any terrorist attacks made by Jews in the Occupied Territories.   Christians in Australia are not responsible for the Rwandan Genocide.  All I've done is point out how your bigotry makes you believe Muslims are somehow different... ::)

Crap.

Jews know they are responsible for Judaism, Christians for Christianity. Only Muslims and their stupid, spineless apologists like you  come up with the crap idea that somehow Muslims - freely choosing to identify as Muslims - are not responsible for Islam -  an ideology you can belong to ONLY if you choose to do so.


You're really working on those thatching skills, Soren.  Soon you'll be able to do a whole house, just by yourself.  Keep erecting those strawman arguments, makes it so much easier for you to knock down, right?   ::)


Quote:
This is not guilt by association but taking responsibility for a FREELY chosen ideology you identify with.


If what you're doing isn't "Guilt by Association" then your education has been sadly lacking.  I suppose that is the best we can expect though from a Madrassah.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 24th, 2014 at 6:17pm
Pig's remains dumped at mosque in Perth suburb of Southern River...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 12:17am:

Soren wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:36pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 11:03pm:
So, when are you going to hold Jews responsible for the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories, Soren?  Mmm?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Jewish network as well!

And what about the Christians being responsible for the Rwandan Genocide?  Afterall, there is a world-wide Christian network, now isn't there?

As usual, your bigotry and religious persecution is revealed for everybody to see, Soren.    ::)



So by making these links you recognise that Muslims are responsible for all the atrocities committed by Muslims.


Actually, I'm not but I'm also not surprised you fail to see that, Soren.

Unlike you, I don't believe in Guilt by Association.   Jews in Australia are not responsible for any terrorist attacks made by Jews in the Occupied Territories.   Christians in Australia are not responsible for the Rwandan Genocide.  All I've done is point out how your bigotry makes you believe Muslims are somehow different... ::)

Crap.

Jews know they are responsible for Judaism, Christians for Christianity. Only Muslims and their stupid, spineless apologists like you  come up with the crap idea that somehow Muslims - freely choosing to identify as Muslims - are not responsible for Islam -  an ideology you can belong to ONLY if you choose to do so.


You're really working on those thatching skills, Soren.  Soon you'll be able to do a whole house, just by yourself.  Keep erecting those strawman arguments, makes it so much easier for you to knock down, right?   ::)


Quote:
This is not guilt by association but taking responsibility for a FREELY chosen ideology you identify with.


If what you're doing isn't "Guilt by Association" then your education has been sadly lacking.  I suppose that is the best we can expect though from a Madrassah.    ::)



Carrying some responsibility for the shape of Islam is not the same as being guilty in a court of law of a terrorist act committed by an unrelated, unknown other person.

As always, you dishonestly inflate your claims just to misrepresent what critics of Islam say.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Lionel Edriess on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)



Well now, it probably pleases you because it couldn't possibly be Muslims, now could it?

There's another reason it's unlikely to be Muslims, Brian. Care to guess what it is?



Because it wasn't Jew's heads in those boxes.   ::)



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 24th, 2014 at 9:17pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)



Well now, it probably pleases you because it couldn't possibly be Muslims, now could it?

There's another reason it's unlikely to be Muslims, Brian. Care to guess what it is?



Because it wasn't Jew's heads in those boxes.   ::)


More Blood Libel, Lionel?   Yes, you do like to persecute Muslims, don't you?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:24pm
POLICE HUNT MAN FOLLOWING ABHORRENT ATTACK OUTSIDE MOSQUE

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.

Collective punishment administered by suicide Muslim bombers in the name of Islam. Every other day. But you lie doggo about that, of course. because you area spineless, dishonest b Astard.








Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:04am

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.


Ah, so you don't condemn the sending of pig's heads to Israeli consulates and Jewish synagogues?   Interesting.


Quote:
Collective punishment administered by suicide Muslim bombers in the name of Islam. Every other day. But you lie doggo about that, of course. because you area spineless, dishonest b Astard.


Resorting to ad hominem, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, you do realise it means you've lost the debate?   You really do need to keep a handle on your temper.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by freediver on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:04am:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.


Ah, so you don't condemn the sending of pig's heads to Israeli consulates and Jewish synagogues?   Interesting.


Brian's chief debating strategy is failure to comprehend basic English.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:04am:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.


Ah, so you don't condemn the sending of pig's heads to Israeli consulates and Jewish synagogues?   Interesting.


Brian's chief debating strategy is failure to comprehend basic English.



I don't think it is at the 'condemnation' end of the scale of offenses.

maybe a 'tut tut tutting' or a wry smile.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:02pm
Bendigo anti-mosque protesters take battle to Victorian planning umpire VCAT

If "the main objections were based on lighting, privacy, visual impact, traffic congestion and noise",  I wonder when these people protested against a church being erected?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:08pm

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:04am:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.


Ah, so you don't condemn the sending of pig's heads to Israeli consulates and Jewish synagogues?   Interesting.


Brian's chief debating strategy is failure to comprehend basic English.


How so, FD?  I asked a question about pig's heads being sent to Israeli Consulates and Jewish Synagogues and Soren answered with some nonsense about Muslims.  I then made the point that obviously Soren saw nothing wrong with pig's heads being sent to Israeli consulates and Jewish Synagogues.  I thought it was bleedingly obvious that I understood what Soren had said because I was pointing out how stupid it was.    ::)

So, FD, would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

Personally, I believe it's disrespectful, insulting and an obvious sign of stupidity by the dispatchers.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:08pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:04am:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.


Ah, so you don't condemn the sending of pig's heads to Israeli consulates and Jewish synagogues?   Interesting.


Brian's chief debating strategy is failure to comprehend basic English.


How so, FD?  I asked a question about pig's heads being sent to Israeli Consulates and Jewish Synagogues and Soren answered with some nonsense about Muslims.  I then made the point that obviously Soren saw nothing wrong with pig's heads being sent to Israeli consulates and Jewish Synagogues.  I thought it was bleedingly obvious that I understood what Soren had said because I was pointing out how stupid it was.    ::)

So, FD, would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

Personally, I believe it's disrespectful, insulting and an obvious sign of stupidity by the dispatchers.   ::)

Jews are not beheading and otherwise killing Christians on Youtube merely for being Christians, so your immediate attempt to make Jews the same as ISIL is dishonest -  what's new from you? - as well as stupid.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 1st, 2014 at 8:02pm

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:08pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 12:04am:

Soren wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)

Considering the FACT that Christians and others are shot or beheaded by Muslims,  a pig's head in the front yard is on the lower end of the appalling behaviour scale: other than the pig, no-one's dead.  Can't say the same for when the jihadi boys go through town. In the imitation of Mohammed.


Ah, so you don't condemn the sending of pig's heads to Israeli consulates and Jewish synagogues?   Interesting.


Brian's chief debating strategy is failure to comprehend basic English.


How so, FD?  I asked a question about pig's heads being sent to Israeli Consulates and Jewish Synagogues and Soren answered with some nonsense about Muslims.  I then made the point that obviously Soren saw nothing wrong with pig's heads being sent to Israeli consulates and Jewish Synagogues.  I thought it was bleedingly obvious that I understood what Soren had said because I was pointing out how stupid it was.    ::)

So, FD, would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

Personally, I believe it's disrespectful, insulting and an obvious sign of stupidity by the dispatchers.   ::)

Jews are not beheading and otherwise killing Christians on Youtube merely for being Christians, so your immediate attempt to make Jews the same as ISIL is dishonest -  what's new from you? - as well as stupid.


Where have I attempted to make "Jews the same as ISIL," Soren?  I am bewildered as the thread is about attacks on Muslims (in general) and I've mentioned the similarities between the anti-Semitic attacks in Italy and the Islamophobic one in Perth.  No mention of ISIL at all.    ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Lionel Edriess on Dec 1st, 2014 at 9:52pm

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm:
... Jews are not beheading and otherwise killing Christians on Youtube merely for being Christians, so your immediate attempt to make Jews the same as ISIL is dishonest -  what's new from you? - as well as stupid. ...


Don't waste your breath!

He's a rabid Muslim majority supporter who refuses to connect Islam with the 'tiny minority'.


Don't let him get your goat.


8-)


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:35pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm:
... Jews are not beheading and otherwise killing Christians on Youtube merely for being Christians, so your immediate attempt to make Jews the same as ISIL is dishonest -  what's new from you? - as well as stupid. ...


Don't waste your breath!

He's a rabid Muslim majority supporter who refuses to connect Islam with the 'tiny minority'.


Don't let him get your goat.


8-)


And what "goat" would that be, Lionel?

Again, I'll ask you, Lionel, would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

Perhaps you'd also care how I can connect what occurred in that link with Islam?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Lionel Edriess on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm:
... Jews are not beheading and otherwise killing Christians on Youtube merely for being Christians, so your immediate attempt to make Jews the same as ISIL is dishonest -  what's new from you? - as well as stupid. ...


Don't waste your breath!

He's a rabid Muslim majority supporter who refuses to connect Islam with the 'tiny minority'.


Don't let him get your goat.


8-)


And what "goat" would that be, Lionel?


Sheesh, Brian, don't be so sensitive!

This goat:

" ... Basic Definition: To annoy you to the point of getting pissed.

Sub Definition: Goat: The goat is a metaphor for your state of peacefulness. When your goat is with you, you are calm and collected. When your goat is stolen, you become angry and upset.

Notes: Getting someone's goat can not be a quick process and must be done by not being directly mean. The best way to get someone's goat is by means of clever annoyance. ...


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Get+Your+Goat


Don't tell me you've never heard the expression before. What else did you think I meant?




Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:35pm:
Again, I'll ask you, Lionel, would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

Perhaps you'd also care how I can connect what occurred in that link with Islam?    ::)


Well, I can safely make three points:

*  Yet again the Jews become targets for insult.

*  A true Muslim would never handle such things.

*  One of the 'tiny minority' of Islamic fanatics would be far more likely to post Jew's heads.


Answer your questions?

8-)




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:11pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 7:47pm:
... Jews are not beheading and otherwise killing Christians on Youtube merely for being Christians, so your immediate attempt to make Jews the same as ISIL is dishonest -  what's new from you? - as well as stupid. ...


Don't waste your breath!

He's a rabid Muslim majority supporter who refuses to connect Islam with the 'tiny minority'.


Don't let him get your goat.


8-)


And what "goat" would that be, Lionel?


Sheesh, Brian, don't be so sensitive!

This goat:

" ... Basic Definition: To annoy you to the point of getting pissed.

Sub Definition: Goat: The goat is a metaphor for your state of peacefulness. When your goat is with you, you are calm and collected. When your goat is stolen, you become angry and upset.

Notes: Getting someone's goat can not be a quick process and must be done by not being directly mean. The best way to get someone's goat is by means of clever annoyance. ...


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Get+Your+Goat


Don't tell me you've never heard the expression before. What else did you think I meant?


Of course I've heard the expression.  My question is what "goat" of Soren's had I "got"?  In otherwords, how had I, "annoyed" him?  Is asking a question relevant to the thread, annoying, Lionel?

I mean, afterall, isn't that what you've been appealing for over in the Gun thread?   ::)


Quote:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2014 at 10:35pm:
Again, I'll ask you, Lionel, would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

Perhaps you'd also care how I can connect what occurred in that link with Islam?    ::)


Well, I can safely make three points:

*  Yet again the Jews become targets for insult.

*  A true Muslim would never handle such things.

*  One of the 'tiny minority' of Islamic fanatics would be far more likely to post Jew's heads.

Answer your questions?

8-)


No.  You failed to answer the question,  Lionel perhaps you forgot or were you avoiding it?

So, in that case, care to try again?   Do you "applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?"    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Lionel Edriess on Dec 1st, 2014 at 11:56pm
Brian, I was merely advising Soren not to rise to your bait. Hence, "Don't get him get your goat." Your baiting, as evidenced in your previous reply, is a well known tactic of yours to distract from previous discussions and the points made therein.

I'm not prepared to play the split-post game with you, Brian. It's all in the above post.

I made three points that I thought would satisfy your questions. Obviously they did not.

In answer to your direct question:

Do you "applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?

No, I don't. I find it both extreme and offensive.

You failed to address the three points I made in reply. But that's par for the course.

I abhor fanatics, extremists and terrorists of all stripes because they target the innocent.

And I pity apologists because this is their world view:





8-)



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 3rd, 2014 at 12:23am
Sometimes, Lionel, a question is just a question.  So you find what happened in Italy "both extreme and offensive".  So, I take you'd find the same being done to a Mosque, "both extreme and offensive"?

Or can only Jews get your sympathy?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm
Another Islamophobic attack:  Proposed mosque site in Sydney's south-west attacked by vandals.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:43am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Another Islamophobic attack:  Proposed mosque site in Sydney's south-west attacked by vandals.   ::)


"The term “Islamophobia” was coined a just over a century ago. The first recorded use of the word was in 1912, in French (“l’islamophobie”)[7], and it reappeared occasionally in the 1920s and later in the century. Its original sense referred to a fear among modernized Muslims of the traditional forms of Islam, rather than an attitude towards Islam held by non-Muslims"

So how does it feel to be an islamophobe Gandalf?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:47am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Another Islamophobic attack:  Proposed mosque site in Sydney's south-west attacked by vandals.   ::)


"Australia: Bendigo mosque protester claims other mosque objectors face death threats, intimidation"

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/page/3/

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 5th, 2014 at 11:32am
Anti-Islamic group sells sparkling wine to raise funds   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 5th, 2014 at 11:43am

Adamant wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Another Islamophobic attack:  Proposed mosque site in Sydney's south-west attacked by vandals.   ::)


"Australia: Bendigo mosque protester claims other mosque objectors face death threats, intimidation"

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/page/3/



Interesting what sorts of sites you seem to trawl through.

So, someone supposedly received death threats.  Did they report them to the Police?  Seems to be no mention of that in the original Sun-Herald piece.  I wonder why?  Surely the Victorian Police would have made a statement, if the Sun-Herald had followed it up?  What?  They didn't?  How terrible but what could we expect from a Murdoch tabloid?   

I'm also unaware of any Melbourne suburbs which are "no go zones" because of the enforcement of Sharia law.  Again, I'm surprised there was no follow up.

Of course, just peddling some alarmist bullshit from an Islamophobic bigot is so much more entertaining than actually undertaking real journalism...   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Dec 5th, 2014 at 1:23pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 11:43am:

Adamant wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Another Islamophobic attack:  Proposed mosque site in Sydney's south-west attacked by vandals.   ::)


"Australia: Bendigo mosque protester claims other mosque objectors face death threats, intimidation"

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/page/3/



Interesting what sorts of sites you seem to trawl through.

So, someone supposedly received death threats.  Did they report them to the Police?  Seems to be no mention of that in the original Sun-Herald piece.  I wonder why?  Surely the Victorian Police would have made a statement, if the Sun-Herald had followed it up?  What?  They didn't?  How terrible but what could we expect from a Murdoch tabloid?   

I'm also unaware of any Melbourne suburbs which are "no go zones" because of the enforcement of Sharia law.  Again, I'm surprised there was no follow up.

Of course, just peddling some alarmist bullshit from an Islamophobic bigot is so much more entertaining than actually undertaking real journalism...   


QUOTE "The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal was hearing the third and final day of an appeal by residents against Bendigo Council’s decision to approve the city’s first mosque in Rowena St, Bendigo East.END QUOTE"

Why don't you learn to read or Tak fuot outa cakehole.You silly little boy  :D :D :D :D ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D

"The term “Islamophobia” was coined a just over a century ago. The first recorded use of the word was in 1912, in French (“l’islamophobie”)[7], and it reappeared occasionally in the 1920s and later in the century. Its original sense referred to a fear among modernized Muslims of the traditional forms of Islam, rather than an attitude towards Islam held by non-Muslims.[8]"


|dev|null wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 11:32am:
Anti-Islamic group sells sparkling wine to raise funds 


Copying is a form of flattery. Thankyou troll.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 5th, 2014 at 1:45pm

Adamant wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 11:43am:

Adamant wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Another Islamophobic attack:  Proposed mosque site in Sydney's south-west attacked by vandals.   ::)


"Australia: Bendigo mosque protester claims other mosque objectors face death threats, intimidation"

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/page/3/



Interesting what sorts of sites you seem to trawl through.

So, someone supposedly received death threats.  Did they report them to the Police?  Seems to be no mention of that in the original Sun-Herald piece.  I wonder why?  Surely the Victorian Police would have made a statement, if the Sun-Herald had followed it up?  What?  They didn't?  How terrible but what could we expect from a Murdoch tabloid?   

I'm also unaware of any Melbourne suburbs which are "no go zones" because of the enforcement of Sharia law.  Again, I'm surprised there was no follow up.

Of course, just peddling some alarmist bullshit from an Islamophobic bigot is so much more entertaining than actually undertaking real journalism...   


QUOTE "The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal was hearing the third and final day of an appeal by residents against Bendigo Council’s decision to approve the city’s first mosque in Rowena St, Bendigo East.END QUOTE"

Why don't you learn to read or Tak fuot outa cakehole.You silly little boy  :D :D :D :D ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D :D


I did read the entire article in the Sun-Herald.  Did you?

So, who made the death threats?  Who were they made against?  Were the Police alerted?  Did the Police issue a statement about these "death threats"?  What was the outcome of their investigation?

Or should we just accept the word of this bigoted Islamophobe?   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gizmo_2655 on Dec 5th, 2014 at 3:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)



Well now, it probably pleases you because it couldn't possibly be Muslims, now could it?

There's another reason it's unlikely to be Muslims, Brian. Care to guess what it is?



Because it wasn't Jew's heads in those boxes.   ::)


More Blood Libel, Lionel?   Yes, you do like to persecute Muslims, don't you?   ::)


Blood Libel, Brian???? What do unsubstantiated lies about Jews have to do with Lionel's comment?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 5th, 2014 at 7:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
So, Soren, you would you applaud and defend this as "freedom of expression"?   ::)

Remember, no one has the right to be not offended...   ::)



Well now, it probably pleases you because it couldn't possibly be Muslims, now could it?

There's another reason it's unlikely to be Muslims, Brian. Care to guess what it is?



Because it wasn't Jew's heads in those boxes.   ::)


More Blood Libel, Lionel?   Yes, you do like to persecute Muslims, don't you?   ::)


Blood Libel, Brian???? What do unsubstantiated lies about Jews have to do with Lionel's comment?


Blood Libel against Muslims, Gizmo.  Unsubstantiated claims of Muslims killing people for religious reasons, just like the Jews were claimed to do by, guess who?  Yes, the lovey-dovey Christians.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Dec 6th, 2014 at 4:33pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 1:45pm:
Or should we just accept the word of this bigoted Islamophobe


I offer a definition of an islamophobe for your microscopic viewpoint so as to enlarge your cerebral cortex in the hope that you may be able to wipe your bottom when you attain adulthood.

 "The term “Islamophobia” was coined a just over a century ago. The first recorded use of the word was in 1912, in French (“l’islamophobie”)[7], and it reappeared occasionally in the 1920s and later in the century. Its original sense referred to a fear among modernized Muslims of the traditional forms of Islam, rather than an attitude towards Islam held by non-Muslims.[8]"

So as to enhance your recovery "Brian of the week Award" is bestowed on yourself.



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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 6th, 2014 at 4:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Blood Libel against Muslims, Gizmo.  Unsubstantiated claims of Muslims killing people for religious reasons, just like the Jews were claimed to do by, guess who?  Yes, the lovey-dovey Christians.    ::)


Prince Charles has described threats to Christians in the Middle East as "an indescribable tragedy".

He made the comments in a message at the launch of a report by Catholic charity, Aid to the Church in Need.

This report said that religious freedom had deteriorated in 55 of the 196 countries studied in recent months.

Prince Charles said events in Iraq and Syria, where civil war and Islamic State extremists have caused thousands to be displaced, were "heartbreaking".

In Iraq, Christians have been driven out of their ancestral homes and maintain that "crimes against humanity" have been committed against them and Iraq's other minorities - such as the Yazidis.

And in Syria, more than 100,000 Syrians have lost their lives in the escalating conflict between forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and those opposed to his rule.

The report claims that across the world, Christians remain the most persecuted religious minority, while Muslim countries predominate among states with the most serious violations of religious freedom.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29899571


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 6th, 2014 at 7:36pm
Where is the evidence that the people who sent those pig's heads in Rome were Muslim, Soren?

Where is the evidence that Muslims would send Jewish heads to the Israel Embassy or Jewish Synagogues in Rome like those pig's heads were?

There is none, therefore it is analogous to the Blood Libel claim that Jews kill Christian children to drink their blood.

Soren, sometimes, you go out of your way to act like a wally.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.
And you have the hide to ask for evidence, you spineless, disgusting little jihadi fVckwit.









Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims involved with or responsible for these actions?

Some Jews have engaged in Terrorist acts, does that mean all Jews support or take part in Terrorism?

Ditto for Christians?  Hindus?

Or does your logic only hold true for Muslims?   ::)


Quote:
And you have the hide to ask for evidence, you spineless, disgusting little jihadi fVckwit.


Oh, dear, you really do seem to be unable to control that temper of yours, Soren.

Obviously shows that your rather emotionally involved in this, now doesn't it?   Not much objectivity at all, it would appear.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims responsible for these actions?



Yes, absolutely.

Only Muslims can stop other Muslims doing this bloodthirsty, primitive, inhuman stuff in the name of Islam. Only Muslims can stop this. They are absolutely responsible.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by freediver on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:51pm
The apologists get all whiny when we try to stop them.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:52pm

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims responsible for these actions?



Yes, absolutely.

Only Muslims can stop other Muslims doing this bloodthirsty, primitive, inhuman stuff in the name of Islam. Only Muslims can stop this. They are absolutely responsible.


So, all Christians are responsible for Joseph Kony's actions then?

I do hope you'll be consistent for a change, Soren.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims responsible for these actions?



Yes, absolutely.

Only Muslims can stop other Muslims doing this bloodthirsty, primitive, inhuman stuff in the name of Islam. Only Muslims can stop this. They are absolutely responsible.


So, all Christians are responsible for Joseph Kony's actions then?

I do hope you'll be consistent for a change, Soren.    ::)



Yes, they are.

But Kony is small f Vcking beer compared to the scores if not hundreds of murders committed in the name of Islam every day.  And there is concerted effort to stop Kony. He is not a Christian of any recognised denomination, he is a primitive, animist savage who mouths Christian words. He is a primitive African shamanic c Vnt. There is nothing Christian about anything he says or does. That is clear to everyone. Even you would know that. But let's indulge you.

There is no concerted effort to end the IS boys, not by Muslims. Because they agree with their aims, in not always with their methods. IS is Islamic in a well-considered, well-established way. The ruthless killing is part of the Islamic tradition. Allah may be merciful but the jihadi boys aren't and never have been.









Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims responsible for these actions?



Yes, absolutely.

Only Muslims can stop other Muslims doing this bloodthirsty, primitive, inhuman stuff in the name of Islam. Only Muslims can stop this. They are absolutely responsible.


So, all Christians are responsible for Joseph Kony's actions then?

I do hope you'll be consistent for a change, Soren.    ::)



Yes, they are.


So, you do believe in collective guilt then, Soren?

I wonder then, why you as a Lutheran aren't doing something about Kony or the other Christian Terrorists in the same way you demand that all Muslims must do something about IS?

Again, where is your consistency, Soren?   Mmmm?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims responsible for these actions?



Yes, absolutely.

Only Muslims can stop other Muslims doing this bloodthirsty, primitive, inhuman stuff in the name of Islam. Only Muslims can stop this. They are absolutely responsible.


So, all Christians are responsible for Joseph Kony's actions then?

I do hope you'll be consistent for a change, Soren.    ::)



Yes, they are.


So, you do believe in collective guilt then, Soren?

I wonder then, why you as a Lutheran aren't doing something about Kony or the other Christian Terrorists in the same way you demand that all Muslims must do something about IS?

Again, where is your consistency, Soren?   Mmmm?    ::)

I believe in responsibility but I am not a Lutheran.  I have no religion.

Muslims who declare their religion are responsible for the shape of Islam.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 8th, 2014 at 11:43pm

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 6th, 2014 at 8:41pm:
Muslims are persecuting Christians.  They are killing them. The evidence is everywhere. They do it for Islamic reasons.  They are KILLING them , Brainless, KILLING them, you smacking disgrace. KILLING them.


Yes, some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren.

Are all Muslims responsible for these actions?



Yes, absolutely.

Only Muslims can stop other Muslims doing this bloodthirsty, primitive, inhuman stuff in the name of Islam. Only Muslims can stop this. They are absolutely responsible.


So, all Christians are responsible for Joseph Kony's actions then?

I do hope you'll be consistent for a change, Soren.    ::)



Yes, they are.


So, you do believe in collective guilt then, Soren?

I wonder then, why you as a Lutheran aren't doing something about Kony or the other Christian Terrorists in the same way you demand that all Muslims must do something about IS?

Again, where is your consistency, Soren?   Mmmm?    ::)

I believe in responsibility but I am not a Lutheran.  I have no religion.

Muslims who declare their religion are responsible for the shape of Islam.


Surely only for their Islam, Soren?  How others interpret that religion is the individual responsibility of the believer, not the collective?

Using your logic, each and every Christian must be watching what every other Christian says, does, thinks.

Do they?  No, they don't, yet you give them a "get out of gaol free card" as far as Kony and similar people are concerned, which you're not willing to extend to Muslims for some reason.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia?  Bigotry? Or merely being an idiot?   Appears mendacity isn't unknown to you.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 9th, 2014 at 4:59pm
Attacks on Muslim mothers mount.

'People grab our veils, call us terrorists and want us dead': What it's really like to be a Muslim woman in Britain

Of course the Islamophobes deny all...   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 9th, 2014 at 5:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2014 at 11:43pm:
Surely only for their Islam, Soren?  How others interpret that religion is the individual responsibility of the believer, not the collective?

Using your logic, each and every Christian must be watching what every other Christian says, does, thinks.

Do they?  No, they don't, yet you give them a "get out of gaol free card" as far as Kony and similar people are concerned, which you're not willing to extend to Muslims for some reason.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia?  Bigotry? Or merely being an idiot?   Appears mendacity isn't unknown to you.   ::)



If all the adherents of an ideology are not responsible for that ideology then who is? Those who are not its adherents?

Islam is an ideology as well as a religion. If you identify as Muslim, you identify with Islam as an ideology and a religion. You are shaping it by adhering to it, upholding it, supporting it.


If the jihadis and the fundamentalists and the 'extremists' (ie literalists) are such a 'tiny minority' why are they setting the course of Islam rather than the 'vast majority'? Why can't the 'vast majority' dominate Islam, rather than cede it to the 'tiny minority'?







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:00am

Soren wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2014 at 11:43pm:
Surely only for their Islam, Soren?  How others interpret that religion is the individual responsibility of the believer, not the collective?

Using your logic, each and every Christian must be watching what every other Christian says, does, thinks.

Do they?  No, they don't, yet you give them a "get out of gaol free card" as far as Kony and similar people are concerned, which you're not willing to extend to Muslims for some reason.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia?  Bigotry? Or merely being an idiot?   Appears mendacity isn't unknown to you.   ::)



If all the adherents of an ideology are not responsible for that ideology then who is? Those who are not its adherents?

Islam is an ideology as well as a religion. If you identify as Muslim, you identify with Islam as an ideology and a religion. You are shaping it by adhering to it, upholding it, supporting it.


If the jihadis and the fundamentalists and the 'extremists' (ie literalists) are such a 'tiny minority' why are they setting the course of Islam rather than the 'vast majority'? Why can't the 'vast majority' dominate Islam, rather than cede it to the 'tiny minority'?


Why do you think that the "literalists" resort to extreme violence to try and sway the opinion of the mainstream majority, Soren?

Could it be because the mainstream majority are setting the course of Islam but the minority of "literalists" seek to change it?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 10th, 2014 at 11:48am

Quote:
The Sun exposes Britain First

It is of course the case that the mainstream right-wing press has played a major role in whipping up the atmosphere of Islamophobia that has allowed far-right anti-Muslim hate-groups to flourish. Nevertheless, yesterday’s Sun featured a very effective exposé  of Britain First. You can read it here.

The report is based on an interview with Matthew Lester, the former BF member who to his credit recently broke with the organisation and visited a mosque in Crayford that had previously been the victim of BF harassment in order to apologise.

Matthew Lester’s message is clear – Britain First is a would-be paramilitary organisation that represents a significant threat to community cohesion and “has to be stopped”.

Hope Not Hate rather churlishly describes the Sun report as “pretty poor”, and it is true that it contains a number of errors. Although it is questionable whether this is going to affect the article’s positive impact on Sun readers, the journalist who wrote it, Matt Quinton, clearly lacks any expert knowledge of the far right.

It doesn’t help matters that, in an apparent attempt to rectify this weakness, the Sun has added a short comment piece by academic specialist Matthew Goodwin, who uses the opportunity to push the deeply flawed theory of “cumulative extremism”, raising the prospect that “groups such as Britain First and Islamic extremists could bounce off each other in a spiral of growing confrontation”.

Much more useful is a second comment, by Dilowar Khan of the East London Mosque (which has itself been targeted by Britain First) who rightly criticises the “selective treatment of the different extremist groups within our society that stir up hatred”. This has allowed BF to subject mosques to repeated acts of religiously aggravated harassment – a serious criminal offence that carries a potential 2-year prison sentence – without suffering any legal sanction.

The Sun report reinforces calls by the Muslim community for their places of worship to be afforded the protection to which they are entitled.

[http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/the-sun-exposes-britain-first/#more-39435]

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:00am:
Why do you think that the "literalists" resort to extreme violence to try and sway the opinion of the mainstream majority, Soren?

Could it be because the mainstream majority are setting the course of Islam but the minority of "literalists" seek to change it?   ::)



Prince Charles has described threats to Christians in the Middle East as "an indescribable tragedy".

He made the comments in a message at the launch of a report by Catholic charity, Aid to the Church in Need.

This report said that religious freedom had deteriorated in 55 of the 196 countries studied in recent months.

Prince Charles said events in Iraq and Syria, where civil war and Islamic State extremists have caused thousands to be displaced, were "heartbreaking".

In Iraq, Christians have been driven out of their ancestral homes and maintain that "crimes against humanity" have been committed against them and Iraq's other minorities - such as the Yazidis.

And in Syria, more than 100,000 Syrians have lost their lives in the escalating conflict between forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad and those opposed to his rule.

The report claims that across the world, Christians remain the most persecuted religious minority, while Muslim countries predominate among states with the most serious violations of religious freedom.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29899571


Why divert to Kony and 'collective guilt and all that? Why not address the "indescribable tragedy"? Why not face facts about Christians remaining the most persecuted religious minority, while Muslim countries predominate among states with the most serious violations of religious freedom. 

You can't really maintain the victim mentality in the face of such evidence.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:50pm

Quote:
Another fake anti-Islam quote from the far right
Posted on November 24, 2014 by Bob Pitt      

We recently remarked, in connection with the New Daily Patriot falsely attributing a quote to Zakir Naik, on how the far right happily post and repost transparently fake Islamophobic propaganda without making the slightest attempt to check its accuracy.

Here is another recent example, from Britain First’s Facebook page. It quotes Marco Polo as stating that “the militant Muslim is the person who beheads the infidel, while the moderate Muslim holds the feet of the victim”. As you can see, it has proved quite popular, having been shared nearly 1,800 times.



Quote:
The book known as The Travels of Marco Polo dates from around the year 1300. The distinction between “militant Muslims” and “moderate Muslims” is clearly modern day terminology, and the claim that the “moderates” are not essentially different from violent terrorists is a familiar Islamophobic trope. It doesn’t require much intelligence to work out that the quotation couldn’t possibly have come from Marco Polo.

Even a quick google reveals the source of the quote. It can be found in a post entitled “Great Thinkers on Islam” that appeared in 2008 on Islam Watch, an extremist anti-Muslim website that claims to expose “this religion of terror, hatred and mayhem”.

As you can see, the quotation, albeit in a slightly different wording, is attributed to a philosophy professor named Dr M. Sabieski (an individual of such obscurity that, even if he actually existed, he has left no trace on the internet). A quote from The Travels of Marco Polo follows directly after, and reads: “The law which their prophet Mohamed has given to muslims is that any harm done to any one who does not accept their law and any appropriation of his goods, is no sin at all.”

What appears to have happened is that back in the day someone reproduced the quotation from “Sabieski” and misattributed it to Marco Polo. It has been circulating around the internet ever since, uncritically reposted by Islamophobes too stupid and bigoted to realise that Marco Polo never said anything of the sort.

[http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/another-fake-anti-islam-quote-from-the-far-right/]
;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 12:50pm:
The book known as The Travels of Marco Polo dates from around the year 1300. The distinction between “militant Muslims” and “moderate Muslims” is clearly modern day terminology, and the claim that the “moderates” are not essentially different from violent terrorists is a familiar Islamophobic trope. It doesn’t require much intelligence to work out that the quotation couldn’t possibly have come from Marco Polo.


How about some quotes he DID say about islam?

"According to their doctrine, whatever is stolen or plundered from others of a different faith, is properly taken, and the theft is no crime; whilst those who suffer death or injury by the hands of Christians, are considered as martyrs. If, therefore, they were not prohibited and restrained by the powers who now govern them, they would commit many outrages. These principles are common to all Saracens"

"attention [went] to the doctrines of the Sect of the Saracens [i.e., Islam], which excuse every crime, yea, even murder itself, when committed on such as are not of their religion."

As well...

"Other "Islamophobic" allusions are scattered throughout Polo's account: the caliph of Baghdad's "daily thoughts were employed on the means of converting to his religion [Islam] those who resided within his dominions, or, upon their refusal, in forming pretences for putting them to death" (p.59); and Muslims "utterly detest the Christians" (p.316­­­­­), perhaps in accordance to Koran 60:4 — still cited by today's Islamists as mandating permanent hatred for non-Muslims."

"In short, the word "Islamophobia" is a ruse — also permitted in Islam under the doctrine of taqiyya — meant to paralyze all discussion concerning Muslim doctrine; and it has been successful: the United Nations has already presided over a conference titled "Confronting Islamophobia" and a Council of Europe summit condemned "Islamophobia." Moreover, the influential Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) regularly lambasts the specter of Islamophobia, calling it the "worst form of terrorism," and publishing two reports on the phenomenon."


I think you should not be such a bigoted racist.

Do your homework next time you silly little boy. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:17pm
Not surprisingly, you're missing the point.  It isn't what he said but what is claimed he said, which has been shown to be demonstrably false.  Typical bigoted reaction from you though, excuse anything as long as it justifies an attack on your victims.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Caliph adamant on Dec 10th, 2014 at 2:44pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:17pm:
Not surprisingly, you're missing the point.  It isn't what he said but what is claimed he said, which has been shown to be demonstrably false.  Typical bigoted reaction from you though, excuse anything as long as it justifies an attack on your victims. 


You made no point, edit

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 10th, 2014 at 2:53pm

Adamant wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 1:17pm:
Not surprisingly, you're missing the point.  It isn't what he said but what is claimed he said, which has been shown to be demonstrably false.  Typical bigoted reaction from you though, excuse anything as long as it justifies an attack on your victims. 


You made no point, edit


I disagree.  I made a very valid point.  Islamophobes will claim any lie to further their hatred of Muslims.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:40pm
Islamophobia feeds on our fear of an evil within

You’ve got hate mail: how Islamophobia takes root online

Islamophobia is racism, pure and simple

;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 11th, 2014 at 7:43pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:40pm:
Islamophobia feeds on our fear of an evil within

You’ve got hate mail: how Islamophobia takes root online

Islamophobia is racism, pure and simple

;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D




Islamophobia feeds on our fear of an evil within

A very, very long, dry fap. Lacking the spittle that you bring to these discussion when you fap in front of everyone.
-10 points.




You’ve got hate mail: how Islamophobia takes root online

He doesn't like people dissing Islam. That's an argument??
Boo-hoo.



Islamophobia is racism, pure and simple

This one is as stupid as you are - Islam is a race-based ideology? How do the converts feel?
CONVERTOPHOBE!!!!!



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:29pm
Canadian actor punched in face after 'Islamophobia' experiment goes wrong in wake of Ottawa shooting.

Australian version of similar experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZVqUU_R9Vc

“Racist, fascist, the worst there is, he rattled racist bullshit for 5 minutes.”

US: selective hearing perpetuates Islamophobia.

;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 12th, 2014 at 6:32pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D



Spoken like a true semi-literate (like Mohammed) - printed, therefore sacred, mustn't be criticised.   The fetish for writing of the semi-literates.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 13th, 2014 at 12:26pm

Soren wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D



Spoken like a true semi-literate (like Mohammed) - printed, therefore sacred, mustn't be criticised.   The fetish for writing of the semi-literates.


Unlike Mohammed, I can read and write.  Unlike you, I can walk and chew gum at the same time Soren.  You seem not to like the underside of Islamophobia being exposed.  Hard luck Soren, I'll keep doing it.   It's too much fun watching you defend the indefensible.  How many Muslim women have you grabbed the headscarves off of?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mattywisk on Dec 13th, 2014 at 10:53pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 13th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D



Spoken like a true semi-literate (like Mohammed) - printed, therefore sacred, mustn't be criticised.   The fetish for writing of the semi-literates.


Unlike Mohammed, I can read and write.  Unlike you, I can walk and chew gum at the same time Soren.  You seem not to like the underside of Islamophobia being exposed.  Hard luck Soren, I'll keep doing it.   It's too much fun watching you defend the indefensible.  How many Muslim women have you grabbed the headscarves off of?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D


Probably none, imagine the smell.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mattywisk on Dec 13th, 2014 at 11:00pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 11th, 2014 at 3:40pm:
Islamophobia feeds on our fear of an evil within

You’ve got hate mail: how Islamophobia takes root online

Islamophobia is racism, pure and simple

;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D


If you take into account reality and how many muslims there are forced to be muslims and threatened to stay, I'd say the largest quantity of people suffering islamophobia would be the forced muslims themselves. They would have a larger phobia of islam than anyone else. Poor children, mothers and fathers stuck in an evil ideology. I feel sorry for those good people wanting to leave the violence and submission of 3rd world ideology behind.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Dec 13th, 2014 at 11:14pm

Mattywisk wrote on Dec 13th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 13th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D



Spoken like a true semi-literate (like Mohammed) - printed, therefore sacred, mustn't be criticised.   The fetish for writing of the semi-literates.


Unlike Mohammed, I can read and write.  Unlike you, I can walk and chew gum at the same time Soren.  You seem not to like the underside of Islamophobia being exposed.  Hard luck Soren, I'll keep doing it.   It's too much fun watching you defend the indefensible.  How many Muslim women have you grabbed the headscarves off of?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D


Probably none, imagine the smell.


Ah, the aroma of freshly laid fromage.

Miam miam, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mattywisk on Dec 13th, 2014 at 11:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 13th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D



Spoken like a true semi-literate (like Mohammed) - printed, therefore sacred, mustn't be criticised.   The fetish for writing of the semi-literates.


Unlike Mohammed, I can read and write.  Unlike you, I can walk and chew gum at the same time Soren.  You seem not to like the underside of Islamophobia being exposed.  Hard luck Soren, I'll keep doing it.   It's too much fun watching you defend the indefensible.  How many Muslim women have you grabbed the headscarves off of?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D


Only if that gum remains halal.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 14th, 2014 at 3:33am

Mattywisk wrote on Dec 13th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 13th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D



Spoken like a true semi-literate (like Mohammed) - printed, therefore sacred, mustn't be criticised.   The fetish for writing of the semi-literates.


Unlike Mohammed, I can read and write.  Unlike you, I can walk and chew gum at the same time Soren.  You seem not to like the underside of Islamophobia being exposed.  Hard luck Soren, I'll keep doing it.   It's too much fun watching you defend the indefensible.  How many Muslim women have you grabbed the headscarves off of?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D


Only if that gum remains halal.


Thanks for providing a perfect example of an Islamophobic attack Matty!  Excellent!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mattywisk on Dec 14th, 2014 at 4:42am

May God help you if you actually think a post about your chewing gum being halal was a perfect example of an Islamophobic attack.

Since I am not scared of islam nor muslims that doesn't make me islamophobic Einstein.

Making fun of your chewing gum doesn't make someone islamophobic either simpleton.

You best get back to your pretend islamic apologist persona before you burst your last living brain cell over halal chewing gum.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 14th, 2014 at 2:25pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


You call everyone who disagrees with you on Islam an Islamophobe - a term employed by the mindless and the reflexively stupid.

And you talk about tolerating different views?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Dec 14th, 2014 at 6:00pm

Soren wrote on Dec 14th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
Whats wrong Soren?  Unable to tolerate different opinions?  I don't claim Islamophobia is racism, the article does.  I just included it for completeness sake.    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D


You call everyone who disagrees with you on Islam an Islamophobe - a term employed by the mindless and the reflexively stupid.

And you talk about tolerating different views?


Sorry, old boy, I know how you get offended so at the "I" word, but have I missed something here?

Are you saying you don’t hate Islam?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:09am
MADRID (AP) — A regional government in southern Spain has filed a complaint with Roman Catholic Church authorities over what it believes are church moves in recent years to blot out the Islamic past of Cordoba's ancient mosque-cathedral, one of the country's leading tourist attractions.

The Andalusia region's tourism department said Monday the practice by church authorities who own the complex of calling it simply "The Cordoba Cathedral" on its website and on pamphlets and tickets could hurt tourism and confuse the 1 million-plus tourists who annually visit the "mezquita" (mosque), as it is known popularly.
[...]


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:10am
#illridewithyou: support for Muslim Australians takes off following Sydney siege

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:03am
Poor poor muslims they are the poor victims.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:32pm
Sydney siege: Australian Muslim woman explains why she kept her children at home following attack.

Islamophobia, destroying the lives of innocent Australians.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:34pm
Poor muslim woman where do we donate ?

#Illridewithyomama

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:38pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:34pm:
Poor muslim woman where do we donate ?

#Illridewithyomama


Another point for my Spot the Matty Sock-Puppet Badge.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:34pm:
Poor muslim woman where do we donate ?

#Illridewithyomama


Another point for my Spot the Matty Sock-Puppet Badge.   ::)


Another point for Matty cutting you so deep.

#Illridewithmatty

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:55pm
Man kicked off Melbourne train after reportedly abusing woman in chador.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:55pm:
Man kicked off Melbourne train after reportedly abusing woman in chador.


3rd apologist thread on it.

Bugger

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:35pm
Sydney siege: Police respond to anti-Muslim sentiment in wake of Lindt cafe shootout.  More Islamophobes at work.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:37pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Sydney siege: Police respond to anti-Muslim sentiment in wake of Lindt cafe shootout.  More Islamophobes at work.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



"At least one man has been charged with making a threatening phone call to a mosque in Auburn on Tuesday as police confirmed a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment."

Sprint?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Dec 17th, 2014 at 2:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:35pm:
Sydney siege: Police respond to anti-Muslim sentiment in wake of Lindt cafe shootout.  More Islamophobes at work.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D



"At least one man has been charged with making a threatening phone call to a mosque in Auburn on Tuesday as police confirmed a surge in anti-Muslim sentiment."

Sprint?


So many to choose from!

Yadda, Moses, Freediver, Baronvert, Matty (and his merry band of sock-puppets), etc....   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:10am:
#illridewithyou: support for Muslim Australians takes off following Sydney siege


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Fear of what?

Muslims are not living in fear.

There was ONE phone call to a mosque in the wake of the siege. ONE. Does that make ALL muslims live in fear?

I'd say F vck orf you prancing little lunatic git if it wasn't against Forum rules so I won't say it.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Lionel Edriess on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)


Oh perhaps not, or perhaps they should be more concerned with this very incomplete list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

After all, Muslims appear to be equal-opportunity killers, don't they?

After all, isn't that what Islam demands?

8-)



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:04am

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Fear of what?

Muslims are not living in fear.

There was ONE phone call to a mosque in the wake of the siege. ONE. Does that make ALL muslims live in fear?

I'd say F vck of you prancing little lunatic git if it wasn't against Forum rules so I won't say it.


I'm referring to the numerous Islamophobic attacks since 11 September (a date you brought up with your posting of that mocking image).   So, should Muslims, particularly it seems Muslim women who are easy targets for the oh, so, brave Islamophobes living amongst us, live in fear of being attacked and persecuted, Soren?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:05am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)


Oh perhaps not, or perhaps they should be more concerned with this very incomplete list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

After all, Muslims appear to be equal-opportunity killers, don't they?

After all, isn't that what Islam demands?

8-)


So, all Muslims are "equal-opportunity killers", Lionel?

Your Islamophobia is showing again...    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:34am
Boo Hoo its poor widdle muslim week.

Can't wait to read about more Islamophobic Attacks

by HAWT BWEAF aka BWAIN WOOSS aka JAWN SHMIFF.

#IspamophobiaRocks

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Fear of what?

Muslims are not living in fear.

There was ONE phone call to a mosque in the wake of the siege. ONE. Does that make ALL muslims live in fear?

I'd say F vck of you prancing little lunatic git if it wasn't against Forum rules so I won't say it.


I'm referring to the numerous Islamophobic attacks since 11 September (a date you brought up with your posting of that mocking image).   So, should Muslims, particularly it seems Muslim women who are easy targets for the oh, so, brave Islamophobes living amongst us, live in fear of being attacked and persecuted, Soren?    ::)



Hmmm, lemme see... What have the Muslims been doing ever since September 11?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Compare this to, say, Buddhist terrorist attacks since 2001:
http://static.tumblr.com/f0d32df15b64bcdf9bcf080af20a7484/ro96uec/jiYmw67g6/tumblr_static_blank_title_white_transparent.png


Could it be, just maybe, that this is why nobody is bothering Buddhists?  Waddaya think, Brain? Or do you think that the strong antipathy towards Islam is completely random and that it has nuffin' to do wiv with the constant news of Islamic violence in the world?





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:11pm
Anti-Islamic protesters disrupt Martin Place memorial.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:14pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Fear of what?

Muslims are not living in fear.

There was ONE phone call to a mosque in the wake of the siege. ONE. Does that make ALL muslims live in fear?

I'd say F vck of you prancing little lunatic git if it wasn't against Forum rules so I won't say it.


I'm referring to the numerous Islamophobic attacks since 11 September (a date you brought up with your posting of that mocking image).   So, should Muslims, particularly it seems Muslim women who are easy targets for the oh, so, brave Islamophobes living amongst us, live in fear of being attacked and persecuted, Soren?    ::)



Hmmm, lemme see... What have the Muslims been doing ever since September 11?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Compare this to, say, Buddhist terrorist attacks since 2001:
http://static.tumblr.com/f0d32df15b64bcdf9bcf080af20a7484/ro96uec/jiYmw67g6/tumblr_static_blank_title_white_transparent.png


Could it be, just maybe, that this is why nobody is bothering Buddhists?  Waddaya think, Brain? Or do you think that the strong antipathy towards Islam is completely random and that it has nuffin' to do wiv with the constant news of Islamic violence in the world?


Soren, why do you constantly blame the victims for their plight?

Why do you believe constantly in Guilt by Association?

Why do you constantly talk about Collective Guilt?

Why do you avoid answering questions when they are put to you?

You really are an Islamophobe, aren't you?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
Anti-Islamic protesters disrupt Martin Place memorial.   ::)


How do you disrupt a memorial ?

Weren't they just standing there in a free country protesting the violence taught by Islam asking for protection.

Hardly a disruption unless there were some leftards there having another sooky lala.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:24pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
Anti-Islamic protesters disrupt Martin Place memorial.   ::)


How do you disrupt a memorial ?

Weren't they just standing there in a free country protesting the violence taught by Islam asking for protection.

Hardly a disruption unless there were some leftards there having another sooky lala.


Matty, stop being an Islamophobic apologist.   These fools decided to try and turn a memorial into a political event.   They were rejected by the overwhelming majority of the crowd and the Police asked them to move on, in the interests of public peace.   Of course, they'll now claim martyr status and that they were "persecuted" but the reality is, they were the ones attempting to intimidate Muslims.    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Fear of what?

Muslims are not living in fear.

There was ONE phone call to a mosque in the wake of the siege. ONE. Does that make ALL muslims live in fear?

I'd say F vck of you prancing little lunatic git if it wasn't against Forum rules so I won't say it.


I'm referring to the numerous Islamophobic attacks since 11 September (a date you brought up with your posting of that mocking image).   So, should Muslims, particularly it seems Muslim women who are easy targets for the oh, so, brave Islamophobes living amongst us, live in fear of being attacked and persecuted, Soren?    ::)



Hmmm, lemme see... What have the Muslims been doing ever since September 11?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Compare this to, say, Buddhist terrorist attacks since 2001:
http://static.tumblr.com/f0d32df15b64bcdf9bcf080af20a7484/ro96uec/jiYmw67g6/tumblr_static_blank_title_white_transparent.png


Could it be, just maybe, that this is why nobody is bothering Buddhists?  Waddaya think, Brain? Or do you think that the strong antipathy towards Islam is completely random and that it has nuffin' to do wiv with the constant news of Islamic violence in the world?


Soren, why do you constantly blame the victims for their plight?

Why do you believe constantly in Guilt by Association?

Why do you constantly talk about Collective Guilt?

Why do you avoid answering questions when they are put to you?

You really are an Islamophobe, aren't you?    ::)



Victims??  Muslims are the victims? They are committing atrocities at the rate of about 5 a day across the globe, most recently killing two Sydney-siders and over 140 Pakistani children - and they are the victims?  Of other Muslims, yes.


2014.12.19 (Laghman, Afghanistan) - A woman is killed and six children injured from Taliban shrapnel.
2014.12.17 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - An 8-year-old boy and his mother are among five people dismantled by a Mujahid roadside blast.
2014.12.17 (Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide assault on a bank leaves ten others dead.
2014.12.16 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - One-hundred and thirty-two children are among over one-hundred and forty murdered in cold blood by Taliban gunmen, who attacked their school shouting praises to Allah.
2014.12.16 (Radaa, Yemen) - Twenty schoolgirls are among thirty-one innocents pulled into pieces by two Sunni suicide bombers.
2014.12.16 (Mosul, Iraq) - ISIS releases video of a mass beheading with thirteen victims kneeling in front of Shahada flags.

Muslims are the victims and Muslims are the perpetrators. The Muslim perpetrators are acting in the name of islam, Allah and Mohammed.

And I am the problem???





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:39pm
Muslim Illiteracy is the problem.

Lashing out at the more intelligent and better off all the time. Mostly picking on the weak and elderly and defenseless while they themselves are out of work sucking on welfare.

Just animals. The only thing worse than these animals is people that apologize for them for kicks on welfare who in reality couldn't give a rats ass about them.

aka John Smith + Socks a real Einstein that one.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Your Islamophobia is showing again, Soren.   ::)

Tell us, please, should all Muslims live in fear because of what a few Muslims did on 11 September?   ::)

Fear of what?

Muslims are not living in fear.

There was ONE phone call to a mosque in the wake of the siege. ONE. Does that make ALL muslims live in fear?

I'd say F vck of you prancing little lunatic git if it wasn't against Forum rules so I won't say it.


I'm referring to the numerous Islamophobic attacks since 11 September (a date you brought up with your posting of that mocking image).   So, should Muslims, particularly it seems Muslim women who are easy targets for the oh, so, brave Islamophobes living amongst us, live in fear of being attacked and persecuted, Soren?    ::)



Hmmm, lemme see... What have the Muslims been doing ever since September 11?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Compare this to, say, Buddhist terrorist attacks since 2001:
http://static.tumblr.com/f0d32df15b64bcdf9bcf080af20a7484/ro96uec/jiYmw67g6/tumblr_static_blank_title_white_transparent.png


Could it be, just maybe, that this is why nobody is bothering Buddhists?  Waddaya think, Brain? Or do you think that the strong antipathy towards Islam is completely random and that it has nuffin' to do wiv with the constant news of Islamic violence in the world?


Soren, why do you constantly blame the victims for their plight?

Why do you believe constantly in Guilt by Association?

Why do you constantly talk about Collective Guilt?

Why do you avoid answering questions when they are put to you?

You really are an Islamophobe, aren't you?    ::)



Victims??  Muslims are the victims? They are committing atrocities at the rate of about 5 a day across the globe, most recently killing two Sydney-siders and over 140 Pakistani children - and they are the victims?  Of other Muslims, yes.


So, Soren, this Muslim has been really busy, according to you:



So, how many Terrorist attacks do you think he's made today?

How about this Muslim?



How many Terrorist attacks do you think she's made today?

or this Muslim?



Thats the level of your thinking, Soren.   You're no better than the anti-Semites who still blame the Jews for the death of Christ two millennia ago.  You just want to engage in good old religious persecution.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by jackmountain on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:51pm
Poor mooslimes they are just misunderstood.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
So, Soren, this Muslim has been really busy, according to you:



So, how many Terrorist attacks do you think he's made today?

How about this Muslim?



How many Terrorist attacks do you think she's made today?

or this Muslim?



Thats the level of your thinking, Soren.   You're no better than the anti-Semites who still blame the Jews for the death of Christ two millennia ago.  You just want to engage in good old religious persecution.   ::) ::)



They are not waging Islamic jihad, are they?   Or are they?  Please explain, Brain, you seem to know so much.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:57pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
So, Soren, this Muslim has been really busy, according to you:



So, how many Terrorist attacks do you think he's made today?

How about this Muslim?



How many Terrorist attacks do you think she's made today?

or this Muslim?



Thats the level of your thinking, Soren.   You're no better than the anti-Semites who still blame the Jews for the death of Christ two millennia ago.  You just want to engage in good old religious persecution.   ::) ::)



They are not waging Islamic jihad, are they?   Or are they?  Please explain, Brain, you seem to know so much.


You're the one that is telling us that all Muslims deserve to live in fear of Islamophobic attacks, Soren.  Perhaps you need to sort out what you mean, if you're now resiling from those statements?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mattywisk on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:05pm
"You're the one that is telling us that all Muslims deserve to live in fear of Islamophobic attacks"

- You join the muslim cult
- Your brothers go out and rape, kill and pillage people and have sex with kids and take child brides like your cults unholy book the quran dictates..
- The community responds and sticks it to the muslims
- Brian Ross races to the internet to posts these paybacks and calls them Islamophobic attacks
- You then re-evaluate your cult membership and say nah once a muslim always a muslim

In that case you deserve to live in fear that your own cult created for you in the first place. Only amoron would do that.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
So, Soren, this Muslim has been really busy, according to you:



So, how many Terrorist attacks do you think he's made today?

How about this Muslim?



How many Terrorist attacks do you think she's made today?

or this Muslim?



Thats the level of your thinking, Soren.   You're no better than the anti-Semites who still blame the Jews for the death of Christ two millennia ago.  You just want to engage in good old religious persecution.   ::) ::)



They are not waging Islamic jihad, are they?   Or are they?  Please explain, Brain, you seem to know so much.


You're the one that is telling us that all Muslims deserve to live in fear of Islamophobic attacks, Soren.  Perhaps you need to sort out what you mean, if you're now resiling from those statements?   ::)

Mebbe the doe-eyed muslims should stop the bearded fanatics from waging jihad. How about that? Waddaya think, Brain? Who should stop the bearded fanatics? Other muslims or non-Muslims? You know everything, Brain, tell us.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:09pm

Mattywisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:05pm:
"You're the one that is telling us that all Muslims deserve to live in fear of Islamophobic attacks"

- You join the muslim cult
- Your brothers go out and rape, kill and pillage people and have sex with kids and take child brides like your cults unholy book the quran dictates..
- The community responds and sticks it to the muslims
- Brian Ross races to the internet to posts these paybacks and calls them Islamophobic attacks
- You then re-evaluate your cult membership and say nah once a muslim always a muslim

In that case you deserve to live in fear that your own cult created for you in the first place. Only amoron would do that.


Using that reasoning, Matty then Christians have a great deal of reason to fear people. 

I defend those that need defending.  You just seem to just hate people because of your bigotry.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 4:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:09pm:

Mattywisk wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 10:05pm:
"You're the one that is telling us that all Muslims deserve to live in fear of Islamophobic attacks"

- You join the muslim cult
- Your brothers go out and rape, kill and pillage people and have sex with kids and take child brides like your cults unholy book the quran dictates..
- The community responds and sticks it to the muslims
- Brian Ross races to the internet to posts these paybacks and calls them Islamophobic attacks
- You then re-evaluate your cult membership and say nah once a muslim always a muslim

In that case you deserve to live in fear that your own cult created for you in the first place. Only amoron would do that.


Using that reasoning, Matty then Christians have a great deal of reason to fear people. 

I defend those that need defending.  You just seem to just hate people because of your bigotry.   ::)

Are you defending the doe-eyed Muslims from their fundamentalist co-religionists, Brain? I don't ever see you raising your voice against the crazies? All you ever say is that you can't judge them coz you are not a Muslims.  You are very big on defending the fanatics from their critics but otherwise you are lying doggo.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 16th, 2015 at 2:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:10am:
#illridewithyou: support for Muslim Australians takes off following Sydney siege



After the Copenhagen shooting will we have Muslims starting a campaign #illwalktothefreespeechtalkwithyou?

Or even #illwalktotheBarMitzwahwithyou?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 16th, 2015 at 11:55pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
So, Soren, this Muslim has been really busy, according to you:



So, how many Terrorist attacks do you think he's made today?

How about this Muslim?



How many Terrorist attacks do you think she's made today?

or this Muslim?



Thats the level of your thinking, Soren.   You're no better than the anti-Semites who still blame the Jews for the death of Christ two millennia ago.  You just want to engage in good old religious persecution.   ::) ::)



They are not waging Islamic jihad, are they?   Or are they?  Please explain, Brain, you seem to know so much.


I know little but even that little is more than you, Soren.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 17th, 2015 at 12:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
So, Soren, this Muslim has been really busy, according to you:



So, how many Terrorist attacks do you think he's made today?

How about this Muslim?



How many Terrorist attacks do you think she's made today?

or this Muslim?



Thats the level of your thinking, Soren.   You're no better than the anti-Semites who still blame the Jews for the death of Christ two millennia ago.  You just want to engage in good old religious persecution.   ::) ::)



They are not waging Islamic jihad, are they?   Or are they?  Please explain, Brain, you seem to know so much.


I know little but even that little is more than you, Soren.   ::)



#illderidethem


#illderideyou

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 17th, 2015 at 8:17pm

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sheikh adamant on Feb 17th, 2015 at 9:07pm
Sikh Women Martyrs of Punjab (1752)

On March 6, 1752 A.D., Muin-ul-Malk, Governor of Lahore (now Pakistan), also known as Mir Mannu, ordered the extermination of Sikhs in his area and had the men-folk beheaded publicly, with the younger unmarried girls sold or distributed among the jihadis. The women and children had a different fate and were taken captives and kept hungry in the Lahore jail. Starving women were forced to operate heavy wheat grindstones and were given the option of conversion to Islam or to suffer the consequences.

They unanimously chose to remain steadfast to their faith in the face of certain death, upon which the Muslim guards gruesomely massacred over 300 infants and children, IMPALING them on spears. Chopping their limbs, bodies of babies were RIPPED open to take out internal organs which were then garlanded around their mothers necks. One by one many Sikh women suffered such brutal atrocities, but they all chose to remain steadfast to their Sikh faith instead of embracing Islam.

Just like they do today!

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sheikh adamant on Feb 17th, 2015 at 9:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17th, 2015 at 8:17pm:






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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sheikh adamant on Feb 17th, 2015 at 9:19pm
You can tell why Bwian is so enamoured by islam from his reading material! ;) :D ;D :o 8-) ::) ::) 8-) :o ;D :D ;)

Georgette Lepaulle, 92, is oldest muslim revert in the world !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 18th, 2015 at 6:19pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo#t=41


Australian response to someone hackling hijabis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZVqUU_R9Vc

Notice that it is the white, non-Muslim Australians who stand up to the tinted provocateur (Macquarie Uni Muslim Students Association cadre)

Should Muslims be pressed more, much more, to take ownership of what is done in the name of their religion? I think so.

Muslims must be pushed to the front line to counter the hideous barbarities committed in the name of Islam. It's not a policing issue, it's an ideological issue. Muslims must be seen to be taking responsibility for what is done in their religion's name.







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Soren wrote on Feb 18th, 2015 at 6:19pm:
Should Muslims be pressed more, much more, to take ownership of what is done in the name of their religion? I think so.


You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sheikh adamant on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren


You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.

I put it down to.......
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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm

Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren


You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.

I put it down to.......


You may put it down to many things, Adam/Matty/Anti however, they would all tend to be in your own head, I suspect.

There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mohammed on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren


You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.

I put it down to.......


You may put it down to many things, Adam/Matty/Anti however, they would all tend to be in your own head, I suspect.

There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)


Ahhh the old delusional paranoia rant by pretend muslim socks when their brain goes into overload.

Now I think about it I don't know one non muslim that doesn't despise islam that isn't using a feigned non disdain for the ideology for political purposes or greeny support.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 21st, 2015 at 1:45pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren


You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.

I put it down to.......


You may put it down to many things, Adam/Matty/Anti however, they would all tend to be in your own head, I suspect.

There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)


Ahhh the old delusional paranoia rant by pretend muslim socks when their brain goes into overload.

Now I think about it I don't know one non muslim that doesn't despise islam that isn't using a feigned non disdain for the ideology for political purposes or greeny support.


You've got to to get out more, spread the wings of your friendships, Matty/Adam/Anti...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Sheikh adamant on Feb 21st, 2015 at 3:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren


You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.

I put it down to.......


You may put it down to many things, Adam/Matty/Anti however, they would all tend to be in your own head, I suspect.

There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)


I repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:
You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.I put it down to.......





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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.



http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.  It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.   It's the equivalent to saying Joseph Kony represents all of Christianity!   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:32pm

Adamant wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:27pm:
You have a funny way of expressing it, Soren


You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.

I put it down to.......


You may put it down to many things, Adam/Matty/Anti however, they would all tend to be in your own head, I suspect.

There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)


I repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Adamant wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:54pm:
You, the fascist, have never explained your disgust at the underlying hate of islam.I put it down to.......


You can try and claim what you like, Adam/Matty/Anti-Anthrax.  You cannot prove it though.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by adamant on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:
ISIS is not Islam


That is an ignorant statement made by a devout follower of Islam

ISIS is the EUTOPIA of ISLAM.

You are an apologist for the slaughter of innocents.

You fully disgust me.

Why not get a coffee?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 4:52pm

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam. 


Islam has nuffin' to do with the Islamic State.

Sure. The Pope is not Catholic.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam. 


Islam has nuffin' to do with the Islamic State.

Sure. The Pope is not Catholic.


So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam. 


Islam has nuffin' to do with the Islamic State.

Sure. The Pope is not Catholic.


So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.



You are lunatic, Brain, and a dreadful and sinister disgrace.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:49pm

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam. 


Islam has nuffin' to do with the Islamic State.

Sure. The Pope is not Catholic.


So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.

You are lunatic, Brain, and a dreadful and sinister disgrace.



Quote:
fanatic
Line breaks: fan|at¦ic
Pronunciation: /fəˈnatɪk

/
Definition of fanatic in English:
noun
1A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause: religious fanatics
More example sentences Synonyms
1.1 informal A person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for a particular activity: a fitness fanatic
More example sentences Synonyms
adjective
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Filled with or expressing excessive zeal: his eyes had a fanatic iciness
More example sentences
Origin

mid 16th century (as an adjective): from French fanatique or Latin fanaticus 'of a temple, inspired by a god', from fanum 'temple'. The adjective originally described behaviour that might result from possession by a god or demon, hence the earliest sense of the noun 'a religious maniac' (mid 17th century).

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fanatic]Source[/url]

Perhaps you'd care to explain how this definition applies to me, Soren?  You appear to be more of a fanatic than myself, only ever commenting on one or two topics (ie "Islam" and "Left-Wingers").   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by adamant on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:05pm
LOL


Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:
Perhaps you'd care to explain how this definition applies to me, Soren?  You appear to be more of a fanatic than myself, only ever commenting on one or two topics (ie "Islam" and "Left-Wingers").


LOL LOL LOL

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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 7:03am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 5:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam. 


Islam has nuffin' to do with the Islamic State.

Sure. The Pope is not Catholic.


So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.

You are lunatic, Brain, and a dreadful and sinister disgrace.



Quote:
fanatic
Line breaks: fan|at¦ic
Pronunciation: /fəˈnatɪk

/
Definition of fanatic in English:
noun
1A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause: religious fanatics
More example sentences Synonyms
1.1 informal A person with an obsessive interest in and enthusiasm for a particular activity: a fitness fanatic
More example sentences Synonyms
adjective
Back to top 
Filled with or expressing excessive zeal: his eyes had a fanatic iciness
More example sentences
Origin

mid 16th century (as an adjective): from French fanatique or Latin fanaticus 'of a temple, inspired by a god', from fanum 'temple'. The adjective originally described behaviour that might result from possession by a god or demon, hence the earliest sense of the noun 'a religious maniac' (mid 17th century).

[url=http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fanatic]Source[/url]

Perhaps you'd care to explain how this definition applies to me, Soren?  You appear to be more of a fanatic than myself, only ever commenting on one or two topics (ie "Islam" and "Left-Wingers").   ::)

You are lunatic, Brain, and a dreadful and sinister disgrace.

And a vain, preening fathead.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 8:00am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/



Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.

It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.



Brian Ross,

In what sense isn't ISIS and ISLAM the same beast ?



e.g.

ISIS supports jihad warfare

ISLAM supports jihad warfare



ISIS supports dhimmitude

ISLAM supports dhimmitude

[dhimmitude = = servitude/enslavement of Jews and Christians, enforcing a status of 'serfdom' upon Jews and Christians]



ISIS supports stoning for adultery

ISLAM supports stoning for adultery



ISIS supports amputation for theft

ISLAM supports amputation for theft



ISIS supports the death penalty for apostasy

ISLAM supports the death penalty for apostasy



ISIS supports the supremacy of ISLAM being established through warfare against disbelievers

ISLAM supports the supremacy of ISLAM being established through warfare against disbelievers






Brian Ross,

Please, do tell us;

In what sense is ISIS 'different' from ISLAM ?





+++


FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

FROM THE LIPS OF THE GRAND MUFTI OF SAUDI ARABIA....



Quote:

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html




.






IMAGE...


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:
How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.  It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.   It's the equivalent to saying Joseph Kony represents all of Christianity!   ::)



To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity.

Rank stupidity - and you are it's standard-bearer, vain little preener.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:33am

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:
To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity


The crusades had the official seal of approval from the head of all of Christendom in the west - the Pope. While there is no equivalent head in Islam, muslim leaders across the world are almost united in their opposition to IS.

The difference between the two couldn't be more stark.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:55am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:33am:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:
To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity


The crusades had the official seal of approval from the head of all of Christendom in the west - the Pope.

While there is no equivalent head in Islam, muslim leaders across the world are almost united in their opposition to IS.

The difference between the two couldn't be more stark.




Not really.

The reason why established "muslim leaders across the world are almost united in their opposition to IS", is because established moslem leaders across the world all see ISIS as a threat to their own current position and authority, on 'the moslem street'.

Established moslem leaders across the world are almost all despots and dictators, who oppress their subjects.

And ISIS ?

What type of regime would ISIS try to institute for itself ???

I think we can all see, what type of regime ISIS is trying to establish, in Syria and Iraq.






Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/1#1

Quote:
The truth is that in the real 'ISLAMIC' world, every distinct moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with and against, every other distinct ISLAMIC group.

Each and every distinct ISLAMIC group [separated by distance from each other], will assert that - they only - are the true expression of pure ISLAM.

And therefore it is they alone, who have the right to both subjugate and to rule over every other ISLAMIC group [....even those moslems who ostensibly belong their own moslem faction].

It is true!           :)





.



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/49#49

Quote:

Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group.

There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died.

Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM.



And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians.



The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!!

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

And so it is, with every moslem group.

Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM.

And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US.



It is true!           :)

WAKE UP.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 10:28am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:33am:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:
To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity


The crusades had the official seal of approval from the head of all of Christendom in the west - the Pope. While there is no equivalent head in Islam, muslim leaders across the world are almost united in their opposition to IS.

The difference between the two couldn't be more stark.

As well as MANY Islamic leaders supporting it, certainly supporting its aims if not all its barbaric methods.
For example, there would be widespread Muslim support for ending the Anglo-French settlement of the middle east (ISIL's done that, so tick); a caliphate (tick); sharia governed Islamic jurisdictions (tick); jihad against the shia and alawi (tick) infidels in Muslims lands (tick); making Islam the central pillar of political life (tick).

ISIL is ticking a lot of things on the Muslim wishlist, if not quite all of it. The violence is embarrassing mostly because it is based on the early examples of Mohammed and his band of brothers.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 25th, 2015 at 11:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:33am:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:
To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity


The crusades had the official seal of approval from the head of all of Christendom in the west - the Pope. While there is no equivalent head in Islam, muslim leaders across the world are almost united in their opposition to IS.

The difference between the two couldn't be more stark.

Al Baghdadi is the caliph.  Has more followers than Mohammed did after 2 years.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Feb 26th, 2015 at 1:11pm

Soren wrote on Feb 25th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:33am:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:
To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity


The crusades had the official seal of approval from the head of all of Christendom in the west - the Pope. While there is no equivalent head in Islam, muslim leaders across the world are almost united in their opposition to IS.

The difference between the two couldn't be more stark.

Al Baghdadi is the caliph.  Has more followers than Mohammed did after 2 years.


So?  Mohammed was relying on word of mouth.  Al Baghdadi is relying on Facebook and Twitter to get his converts...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 27th, 2015 at 6:51pm

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.  It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.   It's the equivalent to saying Joseph Kony represents all of Christianity!   ::)



To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity.

Rank stupidity - and you are it's standard-bearer, vain little preener.


So, how much does Joseph Kony represent Christianity, Soren?

Islamic State proclaims itself Islamic but its the equivalent to Joseph Kony proclaiming his African Republic Christian.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 27th, 2015 at 9:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.  It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.   It's the equivalent to saying Joseph Kony represents all of Christianity!   ::)



To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity.

Rank stupidity - and you are it's standard-bearer, vain little preener.


So, how much does Joseph Kony represent Christianity, Soren?

Islamic State proclaims itself Islamic but its the equivalent to Joseph Kony proclaiming his African Republic Christian.   ::)

You are an idiot.
Why?
Because you would not be able to perceive pertinent points if you were repeatedly smacked in the face with them. Your ability to distinguish pertinent from irrelevant is zero.

You are simply too stupid. It is a paradigm difference. You operate in lala land while he rest of us are aiming for a rational discussion. Not your plateau.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mohammed on Feb 27th, 2015 at 9:03pm
You do realize it goes in one ear and straight out his other.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 27th, 2015 at 10:07pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 27th, 2015 at 9:03pm:
You do realize it goes in one ear and straight out his other.

I do.

But in this relativising world even basic truths need to be spelled out  - and spelled out every day.
Idiots must be named every day. Their reduced ability to comprehend and their limited attention span necessitate it.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:38am

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:
So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.


So, why the assumption that IS is the most respected Muslim group around the world, Soren?   ::)


Quote:
You are lunatic, Brain, and a dreadful and sinister disgrace.


Would you like to lie on the couch now and tell us how much you hated your father?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:40am

Soren wrote on Feb 27th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 9:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.  It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.   It's the equivalent to saying Joseph Kony represents all of Christianity!   ::)



To say that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is like saying that the Crusades had nothing to do with Christianity.

Rank stupidity - and you are it's standard-bearer, vain little preener.


So, how much does Joseph Kony represent Christianity, Soren?

Islamic State proclaims itself Islamic but its the equivalent to Joseph Kony proclaiming his African Republic Christian.   ::)

You are an idiot.
Why?
Because you would not be able to perceive pertinent points if you were repeatedly smacked in the face with them. Your ability to distinguish pertinent from irrelevant is zero.

You are simply too stupid. It is a paradigm difference. You operate in lala land while he rest of us are aiming for a rational discussion. Not your plateau.


So, you going to answer the point, Soren or you going to keep resorting to ad hominem debate?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:50am

Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2015 at 8:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 21st, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 11:01pm:
There is no "underlying hate of Islam" that I've detected, Matty/Adam/Anti.   ::)

You couldn't detect the truth if it was up you, Brain.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/



Soren,  ISIS is not Islam.

It represents as you well know, one small interpretation of Islam.



Brian Ross,

In what sense isn't ISIS and ISLAM the same beast ?



e.g.

ISIS supports jihad warfare

ISLAM supports jihad warfare



ISIS supports dhimmitude

ISLAM supports dhimmitude

[dhimmitude = = servitude/enslavement of Jews and Christians, enforcing a status of 'serfdom' upon Jews and Christians]



ISIS supports stoning for adultery

ISLAM supports stoning for adultery



ISIS supports amputation for theft

ISLAM supports amputation for theft



ISIS supports the death penalty for apostasy

ISLAM supports the death penalty for apostasy



ISIS supports the supremacy of ISLAM being established through warfare against disbelievers

ISLAM supports the supremacy of ISLAM being established through warfare against disbelievers






Brian Ross,

Please, do tell us;

In what sense is ISIS 'different' from ISLAM ?





+++


FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

FROM THE LIPS OF THE GRAND MUFTI OF SAUDI ARABIA....



Quote:

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.
.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html




.






IMAGE...


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami


[quote]How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/

[/quote]

Yes Yadda its hard for some to understand such basic things I know. If he wasn't just a pretend muslim sock I'd go to more trouble myself he is only here as a lonely old man looking for a rise. Nothing more.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:
[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1411175033/344#344 date=1424593030]
So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.


So, why the assumption that IS is the most respected Muslim group around the world, Soren?   ::)

[quote]

IS is impeccably Islamic. It has massive following across the world. It behaves exactly like Mohammed did.

When was Kony in the news last? Who supports him around the world? Whose example is he following?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:
So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.


So, why the assumption that IS is the most respected Muslim group around the world, Soren?   ::)

[quote]

IS is impeccably Islamic. It has massive following across the world. It behaves exactly like Mohammed did.

When was Kony in the news last? Who supports him around the world? Whose example is he following?



If IS impeccably Islam, care to explain #MakingAStand?  ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mohammed on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:
So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.


So, why the assumption that IS is the most respected Muslim group around the world, Soren?   ::)

[quote]

IS is impeccably Islamic. It has massive following across the world. It behaves exactly like Mohammed did.

When was Kony in the news last? Who supports him around the world? Whose example is he following?



If IS impeccably Islam, care to explain #MakingAStand?  ::)


Whats to explain ?

Haven't seen anyone on that hash tag dubunk the scriptures the extremists use at all. All lots of words though but no islamic substance. According to the quran they are  heretics not muslims.

So no stand by real muslims really taken at all. Just people calling themselves one.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:
So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.


So, why the assumption that IS is the most respected Muslim group around the world, Soren?   ::)

[quote]

IS is impeccably Islamic. It has massive following across the world. It behaves exactly like Mohammed did.

When was Kony in the news last? Who supports him around the world? Whose example is he following?



If IS impeccably Islam, care to explain #MakingAStand?  ::)



Kidnappings, beheadings of aid workers, rape, burning, enslavement, destruction of antiquities - versus Twitter??


You amaze me every time, Brain. Just when I think you cannot possibly be any more of a plonker - bingo! - you prove me wrong.


You ARE out of your mind, Brain.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:03pm

SweetLambo wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 12:38am:

Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 6:17pm:
So, does Joseph Kony determine what Christian is or does, Soren?   ::)


Yes, of course he does, EVERYONE KNOWS that Kony IS the most respected Chritsan in the world and everything he does and says is eagerly followed by the Pope, the Queen, the Protestant Churches, all Christians.


So, why the assumption that IS is the most respected Muslim group around the world, Soren?   ::)

[quote]

IS is impeccably Islamic. It has massive following across the world. It behaves exactly like Mohammed did.

When was Kony in the news last? Who supports him around the world? Whose example is he following?



If IS impeccably Islam, care to explain #MakingAStand?  ::)


Whats to explain ?

Haven't seen anyone on that hash tag dubunk the scriptures the extremists use at all. All lots of words though but no islamic substance. According to the quran they are  heretics not muslims.

So no stand by real muslims really taken at all. Just people calling themselves one.


According to?  You?  A noted Islamophobic poster?  Sorry, doesn't do it for me at all!   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:05pm

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:01pm:
Kidnappings, beheadings of aid workers, rape, burning, enslavement, destruction of antiquities - versus Twitter??

You amaze me every time, Brain. Just when I think you cannot possibly be any more of a plonker - bingo! - you prove me wrong.

You ARE out of your mind, Brain.


*WHOOSH* straight over your head, Soren.   What else is there to say, really?  You've just shot yourself down over how little you understand the "Muslim mind"...    ::) ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:01pm:
Kidnappings, beheadings of aid workers, rape, burning, enslavement, destruction of antiquities - versus Twitter??

You amaze me every time, Brain. Just when I think you cannot possibly be any more of a plonker - bingo! - you prove me wrong.

You ARE out of your mind, Brain.


*WHOOSH* straight over your head, Soren.   What else is there to say, really?  You've just shot yourself down over how little you understand the "Muslim mind"...    ::) ::)

You could not make sense if you were held face down in wet cement, pal. No Whoosh there.

That's your gift - not making sense under any circumstances.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 1st, 2015 at 12:48am

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Mohammed on Mar 1st, 2015 at 12:52am

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 5:01pm:
Kidnappings, beheadings of aid workers, rape, burning, enslavement, destruction of antiquities - versus Twitter??

You amaze me every time, Brain. Just when I think you cannot possibly be any more of a plonker - bingo! - you prove me wrong.

You ARE out of your mind, Brain.


*WHOOSH* straight over your head, Soren.   What else is there to say, really?  You've just shot yourself down over how little you understand the "Muslim mind"...    ::) ::)

You could not make sense if you were held face down in wet cement, pal. No Whoosh there.

That's your gift - not making sense under any circumstances.



He is precious in our sight though, that's why we feed him.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Mar 5th, 2015 at 5:30pm
Saw this and it reminded me of so many here!

Whitewashing Islamophobia

'Islamophobia' in focus as thousands protest against Abbott government

Contrary to what many here believe:

Many French Muslims Find Lives Of Integration, Not Separation

;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Mar 5th, 2015 at 6:42pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 5:30pm:
Saw this and it reminded me of so many here!



'Islamophobia' in focus as thousands protest against Abbott government



In Sydney, Unions NSW Secretary Mark Lennon criticised the Prime Minister’s recent comments calling for increased support from Muslim leaders.

Mr Lennon said the statements were “very inappropriate”.

“We here today send a very strong message to the Muslim community in Australia that we all stand together,” he said.

“We all stand together to ensure that we all fight terrorism, from whatever corner that may come. It comes from all different parts of the community.”



What the union hack said is indistinguishable from what Abbott said.  But the Muslims boo Abbott and cheer the union hack.


"Wafa Ibrahim from the Arab Council of Australia also criticised recent government actions, stating that “regardless of someone’s race, ethnicity, culture or religion, everyone should be treated equally”.

“The comments that Tony Abbott made, they weren’t fair,” she said."



Shows just how political it is, all this 'Islam is a religion of peace' business.



Try treating a Muslim equally -s/he'll take you to court for Islamophobia.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Mar 23rd, 2015 at 4:55pm
Palestine mosque torched in Islamophobic attack.

French Muslims caught between Islamophobia and extremism.

;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Mar 23rd, 2015 at 7:24pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 23rd, 2015 at 4:55pm:
Palestine mosque torched in Islamophobic attack.

French Muslims caught between Islamophobia and extremism.

;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

You are more than a little insensitive, laughing and grinning at Muslims' misfortune like that.

You are even more depraved than I though. A complete chatte.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Mar 24th, 2015 at 1:15pm

Soren wrote on Mar 23rd, 2015 at 7:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 23rd, 2015 at 4:55pm:
Palestine mosque torched in Islamophobic attack.

French Muslims caught between Islamophobia and extremism.

;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

You are more than a little insensitive, laughing and grinning at Muslims' misfortune like that.

You are even more depraved than I though. A complete chatte.


Je aime la chatte, pas sûr que vous êtes en elle même! Bien sûr, il n'y a rien de mal à cela ...   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 1st, 2015 at 12:41pm
Christians Destroy Almost All Of The Mosques In Central Africa

France: Pregnant Muslim mother suffers violent 'Islamophobic' attack for wearing a headscarf

Religious education, religious literacy, and Islam as an exceptional religion

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 9th, 2015 at 4:55pm
Attacks on Muslims will become specific hate crime, say Tories in bid to establish full extent of Islamophobia in Britain

Iranian cleric: Ban 'Islamophobic' video games to stop radicalisation

Radical Islamist Group Claims to Influence UK Election



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 16th, 2015 at 4:16pm
Racist rant on Sydney train caught on video... Good on Stacey Eden!  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2015 at 4:43pm
It's just embarrassing when people behave like that. I don't know why people think they need to thrust their ill-informed opinions on random strangers ... seriously, to what end?

Way to go Stacey!

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:14pm
She wears a hijab - therefore she is enforcing Islam on to Australian society - ISIS is undeniably the ultimate expression of Islam - how can she therefore *NOT* be an ISIS supporter? etc etc...

exactly how is this woman's arguments any different to most of the arguments presented ad-nauseum here?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.



Muslims don't corer the market on behaving badly y'know.

Any more than all Muslims behave badly in the first place.

I'd hate for my demographic to be represented by the most badly behaved within it.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:06pm

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.



Muslims don't corer the market on behaving badly y'know.

Any more than all Muslims behave badly in the first place.

I'd hate for my demographic to be represented by the most badly behaved within it.

Maybe Muslims wouldn't be so disliked around the world if they were better behaved.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:07pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.



Muslims don't corer the market on behaving badly y'know.

Any more than all Muslims behave badly in the first place.

I'd hate for my demographic to be represented by the most badly behaved within it.

Maybe Muslims wouldn't be so disliked around the world if they were better behaved.



Most of them are perfectly well behaved. You do know how many of them there are don't you?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:16pm

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.



Muslims don't corer the market on behaving badly y'know.

Any more than all Muslims behave badly in the first place.

I'd hate for my demographic to be represented by the most badly behaved within it.

Maybe Muslims wouldn't be so disliked around the world if they were better behaved.



Most of them are perfectly well behaved. You do know how many of them there are don't you?
There's about a billion. Most are well behaved but a good number are badly behaved and don't get along with anybody. It makes people think badly of the all and can't be trusted. It's up to the good muslims to come out and denounce the bad ones. Turning a blind eye makes people think badly of the all.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Anthony123 on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:18pm
Yeah well the trouble is old mate, until the people that run the mosques and the schools stop teaching that people who aren't muslims are lower than dogs and they aren't human your 'teenage prankster' rapists who are really just 'very peaceful loving sons' that like to go out and glorify pack raping white teenage girls and then leaving them for dead or murdering tem in Pakistan, India, Britain, Morroco, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and a few years ago here in Oz.......
Then the rest of the communiity will look upon you religion and your beliefs with suspicion and hatred.

But that is Never going to happen (reformation of the koran or redacting of incitement to violence against us sane people your religion calls infadels) becuase as you and I well know any muslim that even dares to try and prevent the teaching of the whole of the koran and hatdeath is to be excommunicated and slain as an apostate.

poo even a simple cartoon of muhumad is enough to send the 'moderate muslim into a state of frenzy - like a vegetarian in a butchers cold room).

To crtic' it is to have a fatalwah placed on your head - salman rushdie still lives in hiding......

Those words - Slaman Rushdie. One day I'm gonna get a tattoo of him on me. What a FVkin hero. The leaders of the free world should interviews of him on just before the idiot mouthpieces of the present governments to remind everyone the present crapola that we put up with from having nut job fanatics that live in our society hasn't just popped up on the radar.

In fact anyone who dares to be an apologist for a 'mulitcutural society should be asked about their opinion of Rushdies plight and while they are spouting there claptrap they should paly in the background the marches and shouting and demonstrations of muslims all over the world over a nutjob in the middle-east declaring a hit job on a writer of fiction.......

Obama might have done a good thing in bringing to heal the Iranian nuclear program. But he should never have agreed to anything until he received a public declaration from the wallatolla that the hit-job was taken off Rushdies head and he could now walk the streets a free man....

I wont even start to mention the acid 'honor' attacks on young women that don't agree to arranged marriages..........

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:21pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.



Muslims don't corer the market on behaving badly y'know.

Any more than all Muslims behave badly in the first place.

I'd hate for my demographic to be represented by the most badly behaved within it.

Maybe Muslims wouldn't be so disliked around the world if they were better behaved.



Most of them are perfectly well behaved. You do know how many of them there are don't you?
There's about a billion. Most are well behaved but a good number are badly behaved and don't get along with anybody. It makes people think badly of the all and can't be trusted. It's up to the good muslims to come out and denounce the bad ones. Turning a blind eye makes people think badly of the all.



Muslims have been speaking out about the badly behaved ones in their thousands for years and years.

You just won't read about it in the Herald Sun or see it on TT, ACA or 60 Minutes.

Google "Muslim's against terrorism" and see how many hits you get.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:26pm

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:07pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 6:24pm:
An old lady making a fool of herself on a train still doesn't compare to those Lebanese Muslim animals who gang raped  those poor girls while calling them "aussie pigs".



No demographic corners the market on rape.

Aside from that, your comprison is ludicrous.
Well what about your mates who chucked that demo in the middle of Sydney which lead to a riot and a cop getting knocked out? Or what about Monis? An old lady is fueling the muslim victimhood industry it seems.



Muslims don't corer the market on behaving badly y'know.

Any more than all Muslims behave badly in the first place.

I'd hate for my demographic to be represented by the most badly behaved within it.

Maybe Muslims wouldn't be so disliked around the world if they were better behaved.



Most of them are perfectly well behaved. You do know how many of them there are don't you?
There's about a billion. Most are well behaved but a good number are badly behaved and don't get along with anybody. It makes people think badly of the all and can't be trusted. It's up to the good muslims to come out and denounce the bad ones. Turning a blind eye makes people think badly of the all.



Muslims have been speaking out about the badly behaved ones in their thousands for years and years.

You just won't read about it in the Herald Sun or see it on TT, ACA or 60 Minutes.

Google "Muslim's against terrorism" and see how many hits you get.
Can you tell me why every place on earth where muslims live next to other religions there is war and death? Burma, China, African countries, The Balkans, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, India,Iran etc etc???

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:30pm
Meh, most of the world is at war, with or without Muslims.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:36pm

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
Meh, most of the world is at war, with or without Muslims.

Islam is involved in mostly  all of the worlds wars. Not only does Islam fight other religions and peoples but it fights itself. Islam gets along with nobody, even it's own people. Why do people follow this religion?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:45pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:30pm:
Meh, most of the world is at war, with or without Muslims.

Islam is involved in mostly  all of the worlds wars. Not only does Islam fight other religions and peoples but it fights itself. Islam gets along with nobody, even it's own people. Why do people follow this religion?


~25+ years ago, Communism was blamed for most of the world's wars.  You don't think that because the fUSSR collapsed and the Cold War ended, something might eventually happen with Islamism's views of the world?  Afterall, they are faced with the dichotomy of trying to reconcile their 13th century views of the world versus their population's views of the world and the lures of Western consumerism...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Resolute on Apr 16th, 2015 at 7:50pm


Didn't a guy whose first name was Adolf say something similar, even wrote a book too.....espousing more or less the same sentiments, and we all know what happened to that piece of garbage.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 16th, 2015 at 8:08pm
Anjem Choudary, described according to his Wikipeda article as:

Quote:
He receives little support from mainstream UK Muslims and has been largely criticised in the country's media.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary]Source[/url]

So, why do you assume what he says has any weight amongst Muslims?  Because it suits your Islamophobic views of how the world operates?   ::)

BTW, how are you, Matty?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 16th, 2015 at 8:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Anjem Choudary, described according to his Wikipeda article as:

Quote:
He receives little support from mainstream UK Muslims and has been largely criticised in the country's media.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary]Source[/url]

So, why do you assume what he says has any weight amongst Muslims?  Because it suits your Islamophobic views of how the world operates?   ::)

BTW, how are you, Matty?   ::)
The guy is dangerous enough though. He was associated with the nutjobs who cut that poor soldiers head off.  His silly mouth have got a large group of British people ready to kill one another. When it goes off he'll be one of the people responsible.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 17th, 2015 at 12:11am

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 16th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
Anjem Choudary, described according to his Wikipeda article as:

Quote:
He receives little support from mainstream UK Muslims and has been largely criticised in the country's media.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary]Source[/url]

So, why do you assume what he says has any weight amongst Muslims?  Because it suits your Islamophobic views of how the world operates?   ::)

BTW, how are you, Matty?   ::)
The guy is dangerous enough though. He was associated with the nutjobs who cut that poor soldiers head off.  His silly mouth have got a large group of British people ready to kill one another. When it goes off he'll be one of the people responsible.



He may be but then, so will a shed load of other people as well and not all of them will be Muslim...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 17th, 2015 at 9:13am
Two days before he and many of his staff were murdered by Islamic terrorists, Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier completed what looks like a remarkable book: Open Letter to the Fraudsters of Islamophobia who Play into Racists’ Hands. Extract:


The suggestion that you can laugh at everything, except certain aspects of Islam, because Muslims are much more susceptible than the rest of the population, what is that, if not discrimination?

It's time to finish with this disgusting paternalism of the white, left-wing bourgeois intellectual seeking to prove himself among the 'poor unfortunate undereducated',

These ridiculous demagogues just have a huge need to be the centre of attention and want to satisfy their formidable fantasy to dominate others.

Those who accuse Charlie Hebdo's cartoonist of Islamophobia every time a figure in them has a beard are not only showing dishonesty or gratuitous bad faith, they are displaying support for so-called radical Islam."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11539931/Charlie-Hebdos-dead-editor-in-posthumous-attack-on-left-wing-French-intellectuals.html

I didn't realise he knew you, Brain, HB, Gandy, PB et al.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 17th, 2015 at 11:36am
So, pointing out your failings makes me a member of the "white, left-wing bourgeois intellectual[s]"?

Well, I'll wear the first two with some pride but the other two are beyond my finances and my academic pursuits Soren!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on Apr 17th, 2015 at 12:35pm

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 9:13am:
Two days before he and many of his staff were murdered by Islamic terrorists, Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier completed what looks like a remarkable book: Open Letter to the Fraudsters of Islamophobia who Play into Racists’ Hands. Extract:


The suggestion that you can laugh at everything, except certain aspects of Islam, because Muslims are much more susceptible than the rest of the population, what is that, if not discrimination?


Did Charbonnier by any chance explain why Charlie Hebdo took the position that you can laugh at everything - except, it seems, judaism?

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/152585/charlie-hebdo-fired-cartoonist-for-anti-semitism-in-2009

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm
And so Muslims shoot?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:51pm



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?




Not the vast majority of them, no.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:43pm
The Critics of Islam Were Right: An Apology to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris, Bill Maher and Other So-Called Islamophobes


BY MIKE DOBBINS , CP GUEST CONTRIBUTOR
April 13, 2015|1:38 pm

Radical Islam's War on Christians


For years I was an apologist for Islam, as regrettably, many still remain. I only read books and believed those who painted Islam in a peaceful, glowing light. I made excuses for radical Muslims and lived in a flood of denial that religious teachings could still, in this modern age of drones and clones, motivate a person to commit evil. I criticized the numerous atheists including Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris, and Bill Maher warning of the dangers inherent in Islamic doctrines, recklessly labeling them Islamophobes.

Today I'm writing to say I'm sorry, I apologize, and I ask for your forgiveness. We who have blindly defended Islam and called you Islamophobes are tragically wrong.

My mind first began to change last May when I read an interview by Sam Harris with Ayaan Hirsi Ali in which she addresses the misapplication of the term Islamophobia. This article, along with the seeds atheists planted over the years urging me to do more research, motivated me to delve into the religion. I read the Quran, many Hadith, the biography of Muhammad, the history of Jihad, and Islamic law. This is what I learned:

The critics of Islam are right. Islam is intrinsically, alarmingly violent, hateful and oppressive on a scale greater than all other major religions combined. To say that radical Islamists are motivated to commit atrocities and embrace oppression based on religious doctrine is the understatement of the century.

I, like most defenders of Islam, was ignorant, naïve, and in denial. I wrongly assumed all holy books have enough good messages to offset the bad. I wrongly assumed that, like Jesus, Muhammad promoted peace, love, and non-violence. I wrongly assumed criticism of Islam equates to criticism of all Muslims.

While I apologize to those wrongly labeled Islamophobes, my biggest apology is owed to Muslims. Muslims have needlessly suffered under oppressive Islamic religious and political doctrines as thousands of uninformed smearests like myself rushed to judge and silence critics of Islam. By not acknowledging the Islamic link to radical violence and hate, smearests have unwittingly allowed it to spread. The smearests, denialists, and the naïve have, unknowingly, turned their back on moderate Muslims and a reformed, peaceful Islam.

We who have carelessly thrown around the Islamophobe label including Glen Greenwald, Reza Aslan, and Karen Armstrong should lower our heads in shame and guilt. Few things are as morally depraved as attacking someone who criticizes Islam (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) rather than attacking the Islamic apostasy and blasphemy laws teaching Muslims they should kill her. We must now live with the knowledge that we've abandoned and betrayed our principles. Though we claim the mantle of human rights, free speech and equality, we lack the courage of our convictions when it offends someone. We make the cowardly lion look like Churchill.

In reality, those who criticize Islam, especially reform minded Muslims, are the bravest of the brave. They are literally putting their lives at risk by the simple act of criticizing the Quran, Muhammad, and Sharia.

It is the critics of Islam who are working steadfastly for equality and human rights for Muslims as apologists wallow in denial.

While we smearests have obsessed over shielding Islam from criticism, so-called Islamophobes were courageously standing up to oppressive Islamic doctrines and practices. While we smearests were unwittingly misinforming the public and deluding ourselves by not making the connection between Islamic religious teachings and Islamic hate and violence, so-called Islamophobes were connecting the dots and looking for solutions. While we smearests were busy tarnishing critics as bigots and racists, so called Islamophobes were busy defending equality of women, gays, and minorities, protecting free speech and religion, and advocating an end to cruel and unusual punishments.

Labeling every critic of Islam an Islamophobe has seriously diminished the smearests credibility. By grouping valid critics of Islam with bigots we water downed the meaning of Islamophobe and appear cruel and repressive of free speech.

Criticizing the Quran and Muhammad is not criticizing or stereotyping the Muslim minority just as criticizing The Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith is not criticizing or stereotyping the Mormon minority. When people criticize the Mormon holy book or prophet, rightfully, there is no attempt to shield Mormonism from criticism or smear the critics as Mormonophobes.

No religion, book, prophet, law, or God, no matter how sacredly held by the follower, is exempt from criticism. No religious belief or doctrine receives preferential treatment in a free society. Either all religions, books, and prophets are open to criticism or none are. We either live in a free society or tyrannical one.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:44pm
Islam is a manmade religion (emphasis on the man part) and like all manmade religions, has serious moral shortcomings and requires rigorous criticism. Rather than self-censoring and abiding by Islamic blasphemy laws, we should be defending the importance of free speech, encouraging Islam to purge itself of blasphemy laws, and demonstrating the benefits free speech can bring to Islam.

Now, we smearests must make up for lost time and lost chances. We must double our efforts to criticize oppressive Islamic practices, doctrines, and regimes and demand reform. We must embrace Muslims who truly are moderate, acknowledge the faults in Islam, and are striving for coexistence, peace, equality, human rights, and freedom of expression and worship. All non-Muslims can support Muslims best by doing the same.

But by no means take my word for it. You owe it to yourself to do your own research and see if you too find a connection between Islamic teachings and Islamic violence and hate. I challenge everyone, especially smearests, to read the Quran, biographies of Muhammad, the history of Jihad, and the political ideology of Islam.

Perhaps you too will notice the Quran's recurring theme of hating non-believers and the desert like absence of loving and inclusive passages to offset the vile and violent ones.

Perhaps you too will notice how Muhammad's violent life mirrors that of members of the Islamic State and that it would be dangerous for any person to follow in Muhammad's footsteps.

Perhaps you too will notice how there is no separation of Church and State in Islam and that most Islamic governments place Islamic law above Secular law.

It would be one thing if Islamic doctrines said Muslims should love non-Muslims and love their enemy. It would be one thing if the prophet Muhammad preached non-violence. It would be one thing if Islamic Laws supported equality for women, minorities, freedom of expression, and valued human rights. It would be one thing if the Quran taught the golden rule.

It is because they do the complete opposite that I am now speaking out.


Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-critics-of-islam-were-right-an-apology-to-ayaan-hirsi-ali-sam-harris-bill-maher-and-other-so-called-islamophobes-137416/#JpJGotAEtRcfiyV6.99

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?




Not the vast majority of them, no.



The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:54pm

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?




Not the vast majority of them, no.



The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish.



Non-Muslim criminals are flourishing too, Sore End.

Are you the problem?

Why are you not "eradicating" them?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:29pm


I blame Soren for this guy.

Soren's political ideology is virtually identical with his.

When has Soren ever condemned his actions?

Has Soren ever stood up and categorically stated that violence, threat of violence or incitement to violence against muslims is unacceptable and should be condemned?

Soren gives veiled consent to intimidation and harassment of muslims.

I blame Soren for this guy - personally.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:29pm:


I blame Soren for this guy.

Soren's political ideology is virtually identical with his.

When has Soren ever condemned his actions?

Has Soren ever stood up and categorically stated that violence, threat of violence or incitement to violence against muslims is unacceptable and should be condemned?

Soren gives veiled consent to intimidation and harassment of muslims.

I blame Soren for this guy - personally.



Well, he is a Scando.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?

Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!

This would also explain what the Christians are doing about Joseph Kony and his followers in Africa or the Westboro Baptist Church, now wouldn't it?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

source

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:57am

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 4:29pm:


I blame Soren for this guy.

Soren's political ideology is virtually identical with his.

When has Soren ever condemned his actions?

Has Soren ever stood up and categorically stated that violence, threat of violence or incitement to violence against muslims is unacceptable and should be condemned?

Soren gives veiled consent to intimidation and harassment of muslims.

I blame Soren for this guy - personally.



Well, he is a Scando.


Well, we have to say a person of Scatological origin, dear. It’s much less offensive.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:58am

moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

source


Ban them.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 18th, 2015 at 12:01pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:58am:

moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

source


Ban them.
So are you going to stick up for them?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:00pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 11:58am:

moses wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 10:50am:
Melbourne terror plot: raids live coverage

*Anzac Day, police officers were the target
*Five teens arrested in seven Melbourne raids
*Anti-terror chiefs say ISIS believed to have inspired plots
*Edged weapons were to be used, say authorities

POLICE allege they have foiled an Anzac Day terrorism attack against serving police officers involving “associates’’ of the dead Melbourne terrorist Numan Haider.


The Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism chief Neil Gaughan confirmed details of the terror plot today following raids across Melbourne.

Two teenagers were arrested in relation to allegations they were “planning a terrorist attack in Australia’’.

“It is alleged both men were undertaking preparations for a terrorist attack at an Anzac Day event in Melbourne targeting police officers,’’ Mr Gaughan said.

They are associates of Mr Haider however as that process is currently a coronial investigation I am not going to make any further comment on that at this time.’’

Mr Haider was shot dead as he continued to stab an injured counter-terrorism officer at a Melbourne police station last year.

Authorities feared an “imminent’’ plot to attack police.

Earlier, Victoria Police and the Australian Federal Police have confirmed in a statement that they “executed a number of warrants this morning following a major Melbourne Joint Counter Terrorism Team operation.”

“Operation Rising has resulted in the execution of seven search warrants in the South Eastern Metropolitan area and the arrest of five men,’’ it said.

The raids across the south eastern suburbs commenced at 3.30m as part of Operation Rising.

“An 18-year-old Hallam man and an 18-year-old Hampton Park man have been arrested regarding terrorism-related offences.

“It is alleged the men were undertaking preparations for planning a terrorist act in Australia, which included targeting police officers.”

A third man, an 18-year-old from Narre Warren, has been arrested in relation to weapons offences.

Victoria Police also confirmed that a further two teenagers, an 18-year-old and a 19-year-old both from Narre Warren, are also in custody and assisting police with enquiries.

Victoria Police and the AFP held a joint media briefing this morning.

Searches are continuing at properties in the area and police say investigations are ongoing.

source


Ban them.
So are you going to stick up for them?


Prosecute them.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?

Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!



Well, if the shia regard the sunnis as their 'fellow Muslims'.

It is a sunni-shia civil war, numpty.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:40pm

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?

Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!


Well, if the shia regard the sunnis as their 'fellow Muslims'.

It is a sunni-shia civil war, numpty.


Yes but that is the point, now isn't it, Soren?  Sunni and Sh'ia are both Muslims, now aren't they?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Apr 18th, 2015 at 2:10pm
Both sides are commanded to kill each other in islam. Sunni and Sh'ia consider each other as hypocrites and corrupters.


Quote:
qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,


muslims and their apologists try to tell us that 5.32 is proof that islam is a religion of peace (they cherry pick the *who kills a soul* line), when in fact it is part and parcel of two verses which clearly teach that it is the islamic duty of muslims to torture and murder those you consider are causing corruption.

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Who causes corruption and is worthy of torture and murder?


Quote:
qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.


People who say they are believers, but are not believers. In other words (hypocrites), they are corrupters.

islam preaches that muslims are to torture and murder hypocrites / corrupters.

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more direct qur'an references to who / what is a hypocrite or corrupter.


Quote:
qur'an 3.167: And that He might make evident those who are hypocrites. For it was said to them, "Come, fight in the way of Allah or [at least] defend." They said, "If we had known [there would be] fighting, we would have followed you." They were nearer to disbelief that day than to faith, saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts. And Allah is most Knowing of what they conceal


muslims who don't go and fight are hypocrites / corrupters, this opens the door for muslims to torture and kill them, as 5.32 & 5.33 teach


Quote:
qur'an 4.88: What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].


allah has made certain people hypocrites, muslims can not guide them. muslims can't guide them, what can they do with them? Well 5.32 & 5.33 tells us the islamic way, the old muslim torture and kill trick


Quote:
qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.


Hypocrites / disbelievers will lead muslims astray, don't take them as allies, torture and kill them instead


Quote:
qur'an 4.138: Give tidings to the hypocrites that there is for them a painful punishment -

qur'an 4.145: Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire - and never will you find for them a helper

qur'an 9.68: Allah has promised the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the disbelievers the fire of Hell, wherein they will abide eternally. It is sufficient for them. And Allah has cursed them, and for them is an enduring punishment.

qur'an 9.101: And among those around you of the bedouins are hypocrites, and [also] from the people of Madinah. They have become accustomed to hypocrisy. You, [O Muhammad], do not know them, [but] We know them. We will punish them twice [in this world]; then they will be returned to a great punishment.

qur'an 33.73: [It was] so that Allah may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the men and women who associate others with Him and that Allah may accept repentance from the believing men and believing women. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

qur'an 48.6: And [that] He may punish the hypocrite men and hypocrite women, and the polytheist men and polytheist women - those who assume about Allah an assumption of evil nature. Upon them is a misfortune of evil nature; and Allah has become angry with them and has cursed them and prepared for them Hell, and evil it is as a destination.


All of the above preach hatred an death to the hypocrite / corrupter.

continued  below

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on Apr 18th, 2015 at 2:14pm
from above


Quote:
qur'an 9.73: O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

qur'an 66.9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.


muhammad was commanded to fight and kill people because they were disbelievers / corrupters.


Quote:
qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.


muhammad was a blood crazed homicidal psychopath, an inhumane mass murderer, who preached it was his divine right to slaughter people

It is very clear that isil are following the qur'an to the letter, torturing and killing muslims who are not fighting with them against the unbeleivers, the hypocrites, the corrupters. isil are following in muhammad/s footsteps.

The only answer the doctrine of islam gives is: submit to fundamentalist islam, or be killed by the fanatics. isil are the purest form of muslims

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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 18th, 2015 at 2:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?

Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!


Well, if the shia regard the sunnis as their 'fellow Muslims'.

It is a sunni-shia civil war, numpty.


Yes but that is the point, now isn't it, Soren?  Sunni and Sh'ia are both Muslims, now aren't they?   ::)

And they have been at each other's throats since Mohammed died and are taking their murderous rivalry with them everywhere they go in the world, making Islam inherently violent.

There is no resolution, there is no ecumenical cooperation, there is 14 centuries of tribal feud with no end in sight because Islam is impossible to change. You can abandon it (if you dare) but you cannot change it. The 7th century Koran and the hadiths are eternally unchangable, Mohammed made sure that all his followers are screwed for eternity, leaving them an unchangeable mishmash of violence and piety. They are stuck for ever.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 18th, 2015 at 2:54pm

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2015 at 1:50pm:
And so Muslims shoot?

Not the vast majority of them, no.


The vast majority are the problem - they let the shooters, rapists and beheaders flourish. They should eradicate them but no, they are complaining and crying 'Islamophobia' if one notices that they share a religion and value system with the monsters and that apart from empty words they do absolutely nothing to stop their monstrous co-religionists.


This would explain why IS is being attacked by - guess who?  Their fellow Muslims, Soren!


Well, if the shia regard the sunnis as their 'fellow Muslims'.

It is a sunni-shia civil war, numpty.


Yes but that is the point, now isn't it, Soren?  Sunni and Sh'ia are both Muslims, now aren't they?   ::)

And they have been at each other's throats since Mohammed died and are taking their murderous rivalry with them everywhere they go in the world, making Islam inherently violent.


Forgotten, "The Troubles", Soren between Protestants and Catholics?   ::)


Quote:
There is no resolution, there is no ecumenical cooperation, there is 14 centuries of tribal feud with no end in sight because Islam is impossible to change. You can abandon it (if you dare) but you cannot change it. The 7th century Koran and the hadiths are eternally unchangable, Mohammed made sure that all his followers are screwed for eternity, leaving them an unchangeable mishmash of violence and piety. They are stuck for ever.


Except in Iraq, today, there is an ecumenical cooperation in an effort to defeat IS, Soren...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by John_Taverner on Apr 18th, 2015 at 4:09pm

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


Taking Europe as an example, only 2% of terrorist acts in the last 5 years have been attributed to Muslim extremists.  The majority of terrorist acts have been due to separatist groups or extreme right/ extreme left groups.

Worldwide, it's less than 1%.

In the US, there were 37 killed by Muslim groups since 9/11.  There were 3 killed in the Boston Marathon in 2013.  In the same year, 5 people were killed by toddlers (guns going off accidentally).

One of the greatest threats in the US is anti-abortionists. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Apr 18th, 2015 at 6:11pm

John_Taverner wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


Taking Europe as an example, only 2% of terrorist acts in the last 5 years have been attributed to Muslim extremists.  The majority of terrorist acts have been due to separatist groups or extreme right/ extreme left groups.

Worldwide, it's less than 1%.

In the US, there were 37 killed by Muslim groups since 9/11.  There were 3 killed in the Boston Marathon in 2013.  In the same year, 5 people were killed by toddlers (guns going off accidentally).

One of the greatest threats in the US is anti-abortionists. 


Better give this one a spray, Sore-End. He's talking sense.

Tell him about always, absolutely, never ever.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Apr 18th, 2015 at 7:09pm

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


You do enjoy erecting strawmen, Soren, don't you?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:44pm
Arsonist believed responsible for Toowoomba mosque fire.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:54pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
Arsonist believed responsible for Toowoomba mosque fire.
I thought you would have listed the terrorist arrests as islamophobic attacks.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:58pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
Arsonist believed responsible for Toowoomba mosque fire.
I thought you would have listed the terrorist arrests as islamophobic attacks.


Nope.  I'll wait and see what evidence is presented in court before commenting.

I wonder though, how many plastic swords they carried to the raided houses?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Happy Lucky on Apr 20th, 2015 at 4:00pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 20th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
Arsonist believed responsible for Toowoomba mosque fire.
I thought you would have listed the terrorist arrests as islamophobic attacks.


Nope.  I'll wait and see what evidence is presented in court before commenting.

I wonder though, how many plastic swords they carried to the raided houses?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
I'm wondering what was said over the internet and on the phone.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm

John_Taverner wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


Taking Europe as an example, only 2% of terrorist acts in the last 5 years have been attributed to Muslim extremists.  The majority of terrorist acts have been due to separatist groups or extreme right/ extreme left groups.

Worldwide, it's less than 1%.

In the US, there were 37 killed by Muslim groups since 9/11.  There were 3 killed in the Boston Marathon in 2013.  In the same year, 5 people were killed by toddlers (guns going off accidentally).

One of the greatest threats in the US is anti-abortionists. 

Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. Tat takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:49pm
Soren, why are you so angry all the time?

Is it because you're a Scando?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:49pm:
Soren, why are you so angry all the time?

Is it because you're a Scando?


He must be glad that we are now catering to his personal culture.  I understand they have a TV show devoted to Vikings at the moment on SBS...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


Taking Europe as an example, only 2% of terrorist acts in the last 5 years have been attributed to Muslim extremists.  The majority of terrorist acts have been due to separatist groups or extreme right/ extreme left groups.

Worldwide, it's less than 1%.

In the US, there were 37 killed by Muslim groups since 9/11.  There were 3 killed in the Boston Marathon in 2013.  In the same year, 5 people were killed by toddlers (guns going off accidentally).

One of the greatest threats in the US is anti-abortionists. 

Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. Tat takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.



What was it about his post that upset you, Sore End?

The honesty?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:43pm

mothra wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:49pm:
Soren, why are you so angry all the time?

Is it because you're a Scando?


It must have something to do with his religion. You know, like the Muselman.

I blame Martin Luther.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on Apr 27th, 2015 at 2:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:
Great!

Northern Ireland is equivalent to ALL the Muslim terrorist murders over the last 20-30 years.


Taking Europe as an example, only 2% of terrorist acts in the last 5 years have been attributed to Muslim extremists.  The majority of terrorist acts have been due to separatist groups or extreme right/ extreme left groups.

Worldwide, it's less than 1%.

In the US, there were 37 killed by Muslim groups since 9/11.  There were 3 killed in the Boston Marathon in 2013.  In the same year, 5 people were killed by toddlers (guns going off accidentally).

One of the greatest threats in the US is anti-abortionists. 

Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. Tat takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.



What was it about his post that upset you, Sore End?

The honesty?

Upset??

I thanked him and encouraged him.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 1st, 2015 at 3:01pm
Islamophobic attacks rocket by 500% since Charlie Hebdo murders.

Canadian Muslims learn to deal with Islamophobia.

Vandals scrawl anti-Islamic graffiti on walls of Sikh temple.

Islamophobia soars in France

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 1st, 2015 at 3:02pm
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Double post.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:01am
Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamophobic-that-i-have-to-say-all-at-once/

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by John_Taverner on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:34am

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. Tat takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.


I see that you have a problem with facts, especially facts that challenge your highly rigid world-view.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 2nd, 2015 at 12:55pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. Tat takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.


I see that you have a problem with facts, especially facts that challenge your highly rigid world-view.


No problem, JT, it’s always absolutely never ever.

Facts don’t come into it.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 2nd, 2015 at 2:12pm

John_Taverner wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. That takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.


I see that you have a problem with facts, especially facts that challenge your highly rigid world-view.

Equating accidents (killings by toddlers) with Islamic terrorism is idiotic. Anyone who holds up such things as credible challenges to anything is completely deluded.

That karnal is on your side with such idiocies should be all the warning you need.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:23pm

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

John_Taverner wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:34am:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:26pm:
Thank you, you have fearlessly revealed yourself as a complete idiot. That takes courage.  Do carry on, we want to know how your mind (if that's word) works.


I see that you have a problem with facts, especially facts that challenge your highly rigid world-view.

Equating accidents (killings by toddlers) with Islamic terrorism is idiotic. Anyone who holds up such things as credible challenges to anything is completely deluded.

That karnal is on your side with such idiocies should be all the warning you need.


Now now, old chap, we’re all friends here.Stool or no stool, I’m always on your side - always absolutely never ever.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am

Quote:
There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


Soren, you could not possibly agree this.

Even I accept that there are at least rational reasons for disliking Islam - but you cannot deny the legion of people who are simply bigoted - and dislike Islam and muslims for wholly irrational reasons. Whether its mattywisk posting "authentic" videos of a woman being stoned for having a facebook account - which was actually from an Iranian feature film, or someone else posting a video of people being hacked into pieces - labelled as muslims taking vengeance on people who converted to Christianity - when in fact it was a pagan tribe attacking muslims, or someone else raving about muslim women in Australia breeding at the rate of 7+ kids per woman - when official statistics prove its virtually the same as the national average....

Shall I go on?

The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:30am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:
hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions



Islam is not people, it is a religion and a political ideology. Completely disagreeing and disliking its every tenet is not irrational, not bigoted and the case against Islam can be and is made quite rationally.

Muslims are people. Hating and fearing every Muslims should be called Muslimophobia. That would be the proper phobia for you to rail against.
The parallel would be criticism of Judaism or Zionism  - and denouncing of every Jew, no matter how they relate to Judaism (religion) or Zionism (political ideology). Or to criticise Christianity - and hate every Christian.

But the Islamophobia mongers deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to concede that there may be rational criticism of Islam - thereby ceding the ground to reason ahead of Allah.  ANd we can't have that, can we?

SO what is not right, no matter how many times you try it, is washing together ideology and people. The term Islamophobia was coined, however, precisely for this dishonest reason, to conflate the ideology and the people and so to shut up and condemn any and all criticism of Islam unless you want to be immediate labelled bigoted and irrational.  I am not buying this, Gandy, no matter how often you try to do it.

If you want to defend Muslims, talk about Muslimophobia. But talk of 'Islamophobia' is an illiberal, vindictive, fascistic ruse.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:47am

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:30am:
The term Islamophobia was coined, however, precisely for this dishonest reason, to conflate the ideology and the people and so to shut up and condemn any and all criticism of Islam unless you want to be immediate labelled bigoted and irrational. 

Well, of course that's what an Islamophobe would say.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 10:15am
SO Gandy, as you can see from the immediate and predictably stupid response of the Islamophobia mongers  - they deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to cede the ground to reason. And what they are incapable of, above everything else, is mounting a coherent, reasoned response.




polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:
The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.


The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.

Were you to have the intelligence and integrity, you would make a conscious distinction between criticism of ideas and criticism of people. But that way you would have to make reasoned arguments, rather than peddle victimhood and irrationality and emotional incontinence.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 11:07am
Gandy and all the other 'Islamophobia' mongers - question for y'all:

The Charlie Hebdo staff were often called 'Islamophobes' before (and after) two Islamists went into their magazine's office and shot most of them in the head. If there is such a thing as 'Islamophobia' and it is indeed an 'irrational' fear, would you mind telling us whether it was 'rational' or 'irrational' of the Charlie Hebdo staff to be fearful of elements of Islam?
(h/tDouglas Murray)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am
There you go, G. Reason.

Miam miam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 12:04pm

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am:
There you go, G. Reason.

Miam miam.

What are you eating, PB, with that stupid grin on your face?
Another sh!t sandwich.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 1:10pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 12:04pm:

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 11:49am:
There you go, G. Reason.

Miam miam.

What are you eating, PB, with that stupid grin on your face?
Another sh!t sandwich.


Thanks, old boy, you just gave me one.

Reason. You do love a giggle, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 5:38pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 10:15am:
SO Gandy, as you can see from the immediate and predictably stupid response of the Islamophobia mongers  - they deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to cede the ground to reason. And what they are incapable of, above everything else, is mounting a coherent, reasoned response.




polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:
The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.


The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.

Were you to have the
intelligence and integrity...


Looks like stool’s on the menu tonight, effendes. Intelligence and integrity - lovingly served by our old boy mein host. Delish!

By intelligence and integrity, of course, the old boy refers to stupidity and mendacity. Intelligence and integrity is the old boy’s response to G’s dislike of porkie pies.

You can eat it and you can like it, G. We wouldn’t want to offend the old boy.

His intelligence and integrity is an acquired taste, but believe me, after a few bites you’re hooked.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 5:39pm
Miam miam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:38pm

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 10:15am:
SO Gandy, as you can see from the immediate and predictably stupid response of the Islamophobia mongers  - they deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to cede the ground to reason. And what they are incapable of, above everything else, is mounting a coherent, reasoned response.




polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:
The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.


The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.

Were you to have the intelligence and integrity, you would make a conscious distinction between criticism of ideas and criticism of people. But that way you would have to make reasoned arguments, rather than peddle victimhood and irrationality and emotional incontinence....


Looks like stool’s on the menu tonight, effendes. Intelligence and integrity


The only point you are capable of making is based on omission and distortion of what I posted, PB. You prove yourself dishonest and lacking intelligence and integrity.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:

Quote:
There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


Soren, you could not possibly agree this.

Even I accept that there are at least rational reasons for disliking Islam - but you cannot deny the legion of people who are simply bigoted - and dislike Islam and muslims for wholly irrational reasons. Whether its mattywisk posting "authentic" videos of a woman being stoned for having a facebook account - which was actually from an Iranian feature film, or someone else posting a video of people being hacked into pieces - labelled as muslims taking vengeance on people who converted to Christianity - when in fact it was a pagan tribe attacking muslims, or someone else raving about muslim women in Australia breeding at the rate of 7+ kids per woman - when official statistics prove its virtually the same as the national average....

Shall I go on?

The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.



Outstanding post.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:42pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 10:15am:
SO Gandy, as you can see from the immediate and predictably stupid response of the Islamophobia mongers  - they deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to cede the ground to reason. And what they are incapable of, above everything else, is mounting a coherent, reasoned response.




polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:
The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.


The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.

Were you to have the intelligence and integrity, you would make a conscious distinction between criticism of ideas and criticism of people. But that way you would have to make reasoned arguments, rather than peddle victimhood and irrationality and emotional incontinence....


Looks like stool’s on the menu tonight, effendes. Intelligence and integrity


The only point you are capable of making is based on omission and distortion of what I posted, PB. You prove yourself dishonest and lacking intelligence and integrity.



Au contraire. It got you right between the eyes.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 3rd, 2015 at 7:46pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 10:15am:
The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.


Good grief.

What did I say in my post soren? Reccommend you actually pay attention to whats said before launching your tirades about what I didn't say.

I was talking specifically about lies brought up in order to smear Islam and muslims. I gave you a couple of examples. But it happens literally every day - right here - blatant porky pies in the name of smearing Islam and muslims. So lets relate this back to your "point" here shall we - what you are saying is that when I kick up a stink about Yadda making thread titles out of blatant lies, or people posting videos widely circulated as "muslims" hacking people up - when in reality its non-muslims hacking muslims - you call that me not "liking the flack generated by my own stupidity". Thats what you are saying. I'll just leave it there and let it sink in...


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:19pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 10:15am:
SO Gandy, as you can see from the immediate and predictably stupid response of the Islamophobia mongers  - they deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to cede the ground to reason. And what they are incapable of, above everything else, is mounting a coherent, reasoned response.




polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:
The hypocricy is breathtaking. You and FD lecture me incessently about me excusing and apologising for the crazies - what about you?? And don't give me the usual 'oh but at least these bigots are not hacking people to death'. This sh.it matters Soren - when you trot out this sort of grad A manure that hatred of Islam and muslims is based on perfectly rational and acceptable perceptions - when it is demonstrably not in so many cases - then *YOU* are just as guilty as anyone for enabling and fanning the flames of hatred.


The huge irony, utterly lost on you and all the other Islamophobia mongers is that it is you and only you, though 'Islamophobioa' mongering, who insist on conflating criticism of Islam with vilifying all Muslims.  You don't like it when others go along with your ruse. You want them to shut up. You don't like the flack generated by your own stupidity.

Were you to have the intelligence and integrity, you would make a conscious distinction between criticism of ideas and criticism of people. But that way you would have to make reasoned arguments, rather than peddle victimhood and irrationality and emotional incontinence....


Looks like stool’s on the menu tonight, effendes. Intelligence and integrity


The only point you are capable of making is based on omission and distortion of what I posted, PB. You prove yourself dishonest and lacking intelligence and integrity.


Your "criticism of ideas", old dear, is just a vehement defence of porkies. What sort of response would you prefer?

There there, old boy, we understand. You keep up the old intelligence and integrity. We think you’re fabulous.

Is that better?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:21pm
you know what, I'm tired of these BS antics.

Soren has the hide to lecture me about "spinning a ruse" about Islam - when his side of the debate is so heavilly invested in propagating lies. We see it here every single day, and that is in no way an exaggeration.

Most of us here recall the 'Oslo ring of peace' circus - where FD claimed the moral high ground by getting all high and mighty about what is and isn't a 'line' - all the while making the most outrageously baseless claim that the entire story was a conspiracy to deflect attention away from the recent murders in Stockholm. And seemingly blissfully unaware that making such dogmatic assertions about a story which it turns out he had no comprehension of the most basic facts, and even less willingness to learn - might pose a bit of a problem.

Then there's Yadda who day in day out tirelessly lectures us about muslim deceit and lies - while at the same time starts threads with such laughably obvious lies like '10% of all Norwegian women have been raped by muslims".

When are you lot going to learn that propagating lies is not just rampant amongst Islam-critics, but is actually so essential for the survival of Islamophobia the current form of Islam criticism? Soren has the temerity to lecture me about the need to take legitimate criticism of Islam seriously - apparently unaware that its the rampant lies being perpetuated so liberally by his side of the debate that is the single biggest obstacle to such legitimate criticism being accepted.

This latest tirade by Soren says it all really - it just shows how genuine he is about the 'legitimate debate' that he claims to champion. Such dreadful mischaracterisation of my point (that saying lies by Islam critics is damaging legitimate criticism amounts to me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity" - normally would just seem a simple oversight, but its clear such willful misrepresentation is part and parcel of his "methods" here. I mean, if you went up to some neutral party - someone not invested in any way in this particular issue - and told them that rampant lies designed to maliciously smear Islam and muslims, is not really important in stifling legitimate criticism of Islam - and moreover, its the muslims who complain about these lies who are the real hindrance to the debate - how do you think he would respond? Something along the lines of 'you're a bloody idiot' seems high on the cards.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:22pm

mothra wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Au contraire. It got you right between the eyes.

You wouldn't know a coherent argument if it was up you, mutha (never having a coherent argument up  or before you). 
You cluck and kibitz - not sufficient.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:21pm:
This latest tirade by Soren says it all really - it just shows how genuine he is about the 'legitimate debate' that he claims to champion. Such dreadful mischaracterisation of my point (that saying lies by Islam critics is damaging legitimate criticism amounts to me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity" - normally would just seem a simple oversight, but its clear such willful misrepresentation is part and parcel of his "methods" here. I mean, if you went up to some neutral party - someone not invested in any way in this particular issue - and told them that rampant lies designed to maliciously smear Islam and muslims, is not really important in stifling legitimate criticism of Islam - and moreover, its the muslims who complain about these lies who are the real hindrance to the debate - how do you think he would respond? Something along the lines of 'you're a bloody idiot' seems high on the cards.


My tirade?!?!  Get a grip, Gandy.


What I ACTUALLY posted:



Islam is not people, it is a religion and a political ideology. Completely disagreeing and disliking its every tenet is not irrational, not bigoted and the case against Islam can be and is made quite rationally.

Muslims are people. Hating and fearing every Muslims should be called Muslimophobia. That would be the proper phobia for you to rail against.
The parallel would be criticism of Judaism or Zionism  - and denouncing of every Jew, no matter how they relate to Judaism (religion) or Zionism (political ideology). Or to criticise Christianity - and hate every Christian.

But the Islamophobia mongers deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to concede that there may be rational criticism of Islam - thereby ceding the ground to reason ahead of Allah.






"Islamophobia" is BS. Stop peddling it.

Getting all emotionally incontinent doesn't make Islamophobia OK. It is still BS. Emoting just makes you look like a BS merchant with minimal self-critical insight into your own situation and psychology.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:35pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:22pm:

mothra wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Au contraire. It got you right between the eyes.

You wouldn't know a coherent argument if it was up you, mutha (never having a coherent argument up  or before you). 
You cluck and kibitz - not sufficient.


I trust this answers your question.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:21pm:
This latest tirade by Soren says it all really - it just shows how genuine he is about the 'legitimate debate' that he claims to champion. Such dreadful mischaracterisation of my point (that saying lies by Islam critics is damaging legitimate criticism amounts to me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity" - normally would just seem a simple oversight, but its clear such willful misrepresentation is part and parcel of his "methods" here. I mean, if you went up to some neutral party - someone not invested in any way in this particular issue - and told them that rampant lies designed to maliciously smear Islam and muslims, is not really important in stifling legitimate criticism of Islam - and moreover, its the muslims who complain about these lies who are the real hindrance to the debate - how do you think he would respond? Something along the lines of 'you're a bloody idiot' seems high on the cards.


My tirade?!?!  Get a grip, Gandy.


What I ACTUALLY posted:



Islam is not people, it is a religion and a political ideology. Completely disagreeing and disliking its every tenet is not irrational, not bigoted and the case against Islam can be and is made quite rationally.

Muslims are people. Hating and fearing every Muslims should be called Muslimophobia. That would be the proper phobia for you to rail against.
The parallel would be criticism of Judaism or Zionism  - and denouncing of every Jew, no matter how they relate to Judaism (religion) or Zionism (political ideology). Or to criticise Christianity - and hate every Christian.

But the Islamophobia mongers deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to concede that there may be rational criticism of Islam - thereby ceding the ground to reason ahead of Allah.






"Islamophobia" is BS. Stop peddling it.

Getting all emotionally incontinent doesn't make Islamophobia OK. It is still BS. Emoting just makes you look like a BS merchant with minimal self-critical insight into your own situation and psychology.


Third course: self-critical insight.

Thanks, old boy, I’m full.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:30pm:
What I ACTUALLY posted


was...

1. to completely ignore the legitimate issue I raised about the rampant porky pies on your side of the debate - and how central they are to your side of the debate

2. to outrageously label me raising this elephant in the room as me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity".

Thats what you ACTUALLY posted.

All your other concerns ring completely hollow while you persist with the above two idiocies.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:41pm

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:21pm:
This latest tirade by Soren says it all really - it just shows how genuine he is about the 'legitimate debate' that he claims to champion. Such dreadful mischaracterisation of my point (that saying lies by Islam critics is damaging legitimate criticism amounts to me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity" - normally would just seem a simple oversight, but its clear such willful misrepresentation is part and parcel of his "methods" here. I mean, if you went up to some neutral party - someone not invested in any way in this particular issue - and told them that rampant lies designed to maliciously smear Islam and muslims, is not really important in stifling legitimate criticism of Islam - and moreover, its the muslims who complain about these lies who are the real hindrance to the debate - how do you think he would respond? Something along the lines of 'you're a bloody idiot' seems high on the cards.


My tirade?!?!  Get a grip, Gandy.


What I ACTUALLY posted:



Islam is not people, it is a religion and a political ideology. Completely disagreeing and disliking its every tenet is not irrational, not bigoted and the case against Islam can be and is made quite rationally.

Muslims are people. Hating and fearing every Muslims should be called Muslimophobia. That would be the proper phobia for you to rail against.
The parallel would be criticism of Judaism or Zionism  - and denouncing of every Jew, no matter how they relate to Judaism (religion) or Zionism (political ideology). Or to criticise Christianity - and hate every Christian.

But the Islamophobia mongers deliberately do not make the distinction between ideas and people because then they would have to concede that there may be rational criticism of Islam - thereby ceding the ground to reason ahead of Allah.






"Islamophobia" is BS. Stop peddling it.

Getting all emotionally incontinent doesn't make Islamophobia OK. It is still BS. Emoting just makes you look like a BS merchant with minimal self-critical insight into your own situation and psychology.



Gandalf's point just went whizzing over the top of your head, didn't it?

Among his salient points was the illustration of how difficult it is to engage in rational debate about well considered criticism of Islam because those of us who defend are too busy defending the preposterous to engage in such a debate.

You lot don't start at ground zero.

As such, those of us who defend against the constant and outrageous slurs against Islam are called 'mussy lovers' or 'apologists'or other such ridiculous names that completely overlook the fact that we may ourselves have input to give into a critical analysis of Islam ... but we are too busy trying to get the issue to ground zero.

If you want an intelligent, informative and rational debate, try not being such a bigoted, reactionary twat.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:48pm

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:22pm:

mothra wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 6:42pm:
Au contraire. It got you right between the eyes.

You wouldn't know a coherent argument if it was up you, mutha (never having a coherent argument up  or before you). 
You cluck and kibitz - not sufficient.


I trust this answers your question.



I don't think Soren likes me very much.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 3rd, 2015 at 11:33pm

mothra wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:
As such, those of us who defend against the constant and outrageous slurs against Islam are called 'mussy lovers' or 'apologists'or other such ridiculous names that completely overlook the fact that we may ourselves have input to give into a critical analysis of Islam ... but we are too busy trying to get the issue to ground zero.

If you want an intelligent, informative and rational debate, try not being such a bigoted, reactionary twat.



Well then, what is your defence of sharia law, jihad, the second class status of women and non-Muslims under sharia,  murder of apostates, the perfection of the Koran and Mohammed?

Explain. And do try to be rational rather than  evasive and emotive.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 4th, 2015 at 12:41am
Rational. Rather than evasive and emotive.

Old boy, I simply couldn’t eat another thing.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 4th, 2015 at 11:30am

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 11:33pm:

mothra wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:41pm:
As such, those of us who defend against the constant and outrageous slurs against Islam are called 'mussy lovers' or 'apologists'or other such ridiculous names that completely overlook the fact that we may ourselves have input to give into a critical analysis of Islam ... but we are too busy trying to get the issue to ground zero.

If you want an intelligent, informative and rational debate, try not being such a bigoted, reactionary twat.



Well then, what is your defence of sharia law, jihad, the second class status of women and non-Muslims under sharia,  murder of apostates, the perfection of the Koran and Mohammed?

Explain. And do try to be rational rather than  evasive and emotive.



Have we reached ground zero Soren?

From the tone of your post i strongly suspect not.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 12:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:30pm:
What I ACTUALLY posted


was...

1. to completely ignore the legitimate issue I raised about the rampant porky pies on your side of the debate - and how central they are to your side of the debate

2. to outrageously label me raising this elephant in the room as me "not liking the flack generated by my own stupidity".

Thats what you ACTUALLY posted.

All your other concerns ring completely hollow while you persist with the above two idiocies.

If there is such a thing as 'Islamophobia' and it is indeed an 'irrational' fear, would you mind telling us whether it was 'rational' or 'irrational' of the Charlie Hebdo staff to be fearful of elements of Islam?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 12:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:

Quote:
There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


Soren, you could not possibly agree this.

Even I accept that there are at least rational reasons for disliking Islam - but you cannot deny the legion of people who are simply bigoted - and dislike Islam and muslims for wholly irrational reasons. .


Call them Muslimophobes then, if they dislike all Muslims.

But to conflate the rational rejection of an ideology with disdain for all its followers is a sleight of hand by the Islamophobia mongers.  It is calculated to avoid every opportunity to discuss the flaws in Islam - which is what you do every time I criticise Islam.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 4th, 2015 at 2:05pm
Soren, the only person here conflating the two is you. Sprint and Yadda will present rational reasons for being suspicious of Islam - but it rings completely hollow when those reasons are embellished - inextricably so - with bigotry and outright lies about muslims.

I am not confusing criticism of Islam with fear/hatred of muslims - *THEY* are - as are you, when, for example, you smear women who choose a particular piece of head dress as sinister activists for an intolerant and brutal legal system.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 4th, 2015 at 2:07pm

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:

Quote:
There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


Soren, you could not possibly agree this.

Even I accept that there are at least rational reasons for disliking Islam - but you cannot deny the legion of people who are simply bigoted - and dislike Islam and muslims for wholly irrational reasons. .


Call them Muslimophobes then, if they dislike all Muslims.

But to conflate the rational rejection of an ideology with disdain for all its followers is a sleight of hand by the Islamophobia mongers.  It is calculated to avoid every opportunity to discuss the flaws in Islam - which is what you do every time I criticise Islam.


  Islamophobia mongers. Really. Now your prejudice isn't your responsibility it's thrust upon you?

What you don't seem to understand Soren is that criticism of Islam involves having an objective view towards what Islam actually is.

You have a very prejudiced view as to what Islam actually is. It is not, as you seem determined to believe, represented particularly well (or at least fairly) by the people behaving the worst amongst its ranks.

Fanatics interpreting the Quran in such a way as to justify their bad behaviour is no different at all to the many, many fanatics of both the Christian and Jewish faith who do precisely the same things with their own books. More-so, these fanatics are not representative of the religion as a whole or even in the main.

There are more Muslims interpreting the Quran peacefully than there are interpreting it to do terrible things. As such, if you want to critisise Islam per se, it is only fair to criticise what is most common, not what is extreme. Knock yourself out condemning extremism, i'll join you,  but call it what it is.  Refusal to accept that the main of Islam is not as is represented by the extreme is Islamophobic.

Not the 'mongered' sort of Islamophobe, a self-determined one. Like you.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 4th, 2015 at 2:26pm

mothra wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:07pm:
What you don't seem to understand Soren is that criticism of Islam involves having an objective view towards what Islam actually is.


Yup, thats it in a nutshell.

Soren seems an intelligent guy, which is why I probably engage with him more than most.

Yet here he is, trying to ignore the fact that criticism of Islam in today's world is manifestly "NOT*  objective - it takes what he calls 'muslimphobia' as the starting point, not the end-point after an objective analysis of the tenets of the Islamic religion. I mean, what does Soren think when he sees Sprint blindly copying and pasting quotes from wiki-Islam, and demonstrating how little he knows about the actual content he is referring? When he sees lie after lie after lie being posted right here on this forum - marketed as legitimate criticism of Islam - how on earth can he then turn around and say 'err, actually its *YOU* muslims and your apologists who are conflating muslimphobia with legitimate criticism of Islam - its *YOU* who is preventing the necessary constructive conversation about Islam'.

This heroic 'hey look over there' routine is really a sight to behold.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 4th, 2015 at 2:29pm
Now now, G. The old boy has every right to uphold porkies. It’s his duty as a rational, rather than evasive and emotional, subject. Intelligence and integrity, innit. Self-critical insight.

Good heavens, I’m bursting at the seams.

Stupid or mendacious? Mendacious or stupid? Questions, questions. Reason, insight, truth.

I simply couldn’t eat another thing.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 4:20pm
Give me some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 4:22pm

mothra wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 9:15am:

Quote:
There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


Soren, you could not possibly agree this.

Even I accept that there are at least rational reasons for disliking Islam - but you cannot deny the legion of people who are simply bigoted - and dislike Islam and muslims for wholly irrational reasons. .


Call them Muslimophobes then, if they dislike all Muslims.

But to conflate the rational rejection of an ideology with disdain for all its followers is a sleight of hand by the Islamophobia mongers.  It is calculated to avoid every opportunity to discuss the flaws in Islam - which is what you do every time I criticise Islam.


  Islamophobia mongers. Really. Now your prejudice isn't your responsibility it's thrust upon you?

What you don't seem to understand Soren is that criticism of Islam involves having an objective view towards what Islam actually is.


If there is such a thing as 'Islamophobia' and it is indeed an 'irrational' fear, would you mind telling us whether it was objectively 'rational' or 'irrational' of the Charlie Hebdo staff to be fearful of elements of Islam?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 4th, 2015 at 4:47pm

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:22pm:
would you mind telling us whether it was objectively 'rational' or 'irrational' of the Charlie Hebdo staff to be fearful of elements of Islam?


Of course it was a rational fear.

Anyway, back to the point - which I can't believe you could be missing so badly.

How about I bring it a little closer to home...

Do you think its "legitimate" criticism of Islam to invent a stereotypical story about a muslim immigrant in Stockholm threatening his family with the kitchen knife with an honour killing - in order to paint a general picture of muslims and Islam in Sweden - a story that had no resemblance whatsoever to the reality? Or do you agree that such mischief hinders the chances of constructively debating legitimate criticisms of Islam?

Or to put it another way, do you think the manufacture of such porky pies day in day out in the name of "legitimate" criticism of Islam adversely affects our ability, as a society, to constructively address the very real and serious threats faced by charlie hebdo and the like?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 4th, 2015 at 4:50pm

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:20pm:
Give me some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy


hmmm - how about ones that don't involve blatant lies? Now there's a thought  ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 4:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 2:05pm:
Soren, the only person here conflating the two is you.

;D  ;D ;D

Every time I am critical of Islam, Brain and the other lunatics immediately protest - not all Muslims adhere to this or that Islamic doctrine!!

And with that, they - you - think that you have successfully avoided answering the critical questions about Islam.  It's an old trick and it's very transparent.



Not every Nazi was in the Waffen SS - does that mean we can't criticise Nazism because some party members worked in a library?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 4:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:20pm:
Give me some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy


hmmm - how about ones that don't involve blatant lies? Now there's a thought  ::)


Well, come on then, give us acceptable 'objective' criticisms of these. You don't have to accept them. I just want to know what you think is an acceptable, rational, objective criticism of any of these Islamic tenets.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by silverado6x6 on May 4th, 2015 at 5:57pm
In Texas i just heard there was a Mohammed cartoon contest, the place was crawling with security and guess what?
A pair of terrorists attack, they shoot a security guard, both get turned into swiss cheese, they say they even had grenades.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 4th, 2015 at 6:43pm

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:20pm:
Give me some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy


hmmm - how about ones that don't involve blatant lies? Now there's a thought  ::)


Well, come on then, give us acceptable 'objective' criticisms of these. You don't have to accept them. I just want to know what you think is an acceptable, rational, objective criticism of any of these Islamic tenets.


The old boy’s been calling people mendacious for years, but here he admits that he doesn’t actually know what it means.

Sorry, old chap, we’re back to stupid. You’ll get mendacious back when you learn what a porkie is.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 4th, 2015 at 6:52pm

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:20pm:
Give me some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy


hmmm - how about ones that don't involve blatant lies? Now there's a thought  ::)


Well, come on then, give us acceptable 'objective' criticisms of these. You don't have to accept them. I just want to know what you think is an acceptable, rational, objective criticism of any of these Islamic tenets.


Any criticism that is not based on lies about muslims.

Exactly what part of that is confusing to you S?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 4th, 2015 at 7:22pm
Well, G, you have to admit.

Sometimes a question is just a question.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 4th, 2015 at 8:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:20pm:
Give me some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy


hmmm - how about ones that don't involve blatant lies? Now there's a thought  ::)


Well, come on then, give us acceptable 'objective' criticisms of these. You don't have to accept them. I just want to know what you think is an acceptable, rational, objective criticism of any of these Islamic tenets.


Any criticism that is not based on lies about muslims.

Exactly what part of that is confusing to you S?



The part where I ask you for examples and you repeatedly slither away with some pissy, miffy nonsense.

You are a mouthy git about how I should be 'objective' and offer only 'reasoned' and 'rational' criticism of Islam but of course in your eyes there are NO objective, reasoned, ratational criticisms of Islam because every criticism of it is 'Islamophobia'.

Give me examples of acceptable, rational, objective criticisms of Islam.

Or STFU.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 4th, 2015 at 10:38pm

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 8:58pm:
Give me examples of acceptable, rational, objective criticisms of Islam.


Soren my criteria was so broad that I really thought its obvious that its better to list what *ISN'T* acceptable. It doesn't require further elaboration - except to say you really can criticise absolutely anything you want that doesn't involve inventing porky pies - like for example your Portuguese honour-killer whopper. I heartily welcome answering criticism and concerns on every one of the issues you listed a couple of posts back. In fact I will join in on the side of concerned and critical citizens on many if not all those issues. There is so much that muslims need to address and fix - but making up lies to make your case just discredits your cause - thats a pretty bloody basic point Soren.

You are pretending to be dense - and I have no idea why.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 4th, 2015 at 10:45pm
Now now, G, you’ve been ordered to be quiet.

No one has the right to not be offended - except the old boy.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 5th, 2015 at 7:19am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 10:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 8:58pm:
Give me examples of acceptable, rational, objective criticisms of Islam.


Soren my criteria was so broad that I really thought its obvious that its better to list what *ISN'T* acceptable. It doesn't require further elaboration - except to say you really can criticise absolutely anything you want that doesn't involve inventing porky pies - like for example your Portuguese honour-killer whopper. I heartily welcome answering criticism and concerns on every one of the issues you listed a couple of posts back. In fact I will join in on the side of concerned and critical citizens on many if not all those issues. There is so much that muslims need to address and fix - but making up lies to make your case just discredits your cause - thats a pretty bloody basic point Soren.

You are pretending to be dense - and I have no idea why.


The Portugese honour killing was years ago and I acknowledged my mistake when the evidence was in. Who committed what terrorist attacks in Australia has al;so been cleared up some years ago - some were Armenians attacking Turks because of the continued denial of the genocide.

Anything else I said over the years that was a porky and thereby 'Islamophobic'?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 5th, 2015 at 7:38am
lol - you just don't get it Soren.

You think the only problem was that you got caught out with your lies: invent an outrageous lie to smear muslims - but as long as someone can point out that its an outrageous lie, then everythings fine - we have ourselves a healthy debate, apparently.

What utter nonsense. Thats precisely what I was talking about before when I said the Islamophobes start with muslimphobia as the premise - not the rational outcome of a calm, objective analysis of the facts. And your "acknowledgement" of that particular lie at the time exemplified everything that is wrong with your attitude: instead of showing some contrition and acknowledging how such antics are part and parcel of the Islam-critics debate - to the detriment of a healthy discussion, rather your response was basically "yeah ok, but I'm still basically right about muslims - and I'm not sorry for expressing the sentiment".

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 5th, 2015 at 10:14am
Actually, pointing out the porkies is a problem. The old boy’s never happy when you do. He sees it as a form of treason.

The old boy’s first tactic is to ignore it and hope no one notices. His second is to change the subject and throw the question back to you. His third is to pout and play the victim - so unfair. Then, last  but not least, he’ll tell you to FV ck orf.

FD has his Freeeeedom. SE has his self-critical insight.

It is a jolly world, ni?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 5th, 2015 at 10:15am
Intelligence and integrity, innit.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 5th, 2015 at 1:59pm

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia - I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices
Koran I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran
Mohammed I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad
jihad I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence
segregation and subjugation of women I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam
doctrines on apostasy I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment
doctrines on dhimmis I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 5th, 2015 at 2:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia - I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices
Koran I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran
Mohammed I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad
jihad I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence
segregation and subjugation of women I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam
doctrines on apostasy I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment
doctrines on dhimmis I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine


Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism...  That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 5th, 2015 at 4:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia - I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices
Koran I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran
Mohammed I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad
jihad I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence
segregation and subjugation of women I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam
doctrines on apostasy I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment
doctrines on dhimmis I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine


The old boy meant that as a rhetorical question, G. He's playing the old swicheroo.

But seeing how you answered, there can be only one response to your reply.

Google: taqiyya.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 5th, 2015 at 10:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia - I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices
Koran I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran
Mohammed I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad
jihad I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence
segregation and subjugation of women I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam
doctrines on apostasy I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment
doctrines on dhimmis I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine


Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism...  That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren.   ::)




See what can happen if you start at ground zero Soren? Articulate and concise objective criticism.

Now can you, beginning at ground zero, concede that Gandalf has a very good point when he says the arguments against Islam are generally hysterical and based on lies and half truths?

I mean, you should have done it already but Gandalf is clearly the 'bigger man'.

I await your reply to Gandalf. Let's see if you can meet him half way.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 5th, 2015 at 11:53pm
FV ck orf.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 6th, 2015 at 10:13am
Noice.

"I reject" is not a reasoned criticism. You (Muslims) need reason your way to your rejections and convince other Muslims that you are right and they are wrong.

Where are the Muslim organisations that mount, presumably rational and objective criticisms of Islam?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 6th, 2015 at 12:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia - I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices
Koran I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran
Mohammed I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad
jihad I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence
segregation and subjugation of women I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam
doctrines on apostasy I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment
doctrines on dhimmis I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine


Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism...  That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren.   ::)

I don't see any objective, reasoned criticism.

It's all 'I don't like it".


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 6th, 2015 at 1:09pm

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 2:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia - I completely reject both your and the jihadists version of sharia. I am totally against man-made laws enforcing religious beliefs and practices
Koran I completely reject both your and the jihadist's 'spread by the sword' version of the Quran
Mohammed I completely reject the jihadist's (and presumably your) version of the warmongering, inflict his will via the sword, Muhammad
jihad I completely reject any notion that 'jihad' is about war and violence
segregation and subjugation of women I completely reject the idea that the subjugation of women is ordained by Islam
doctrines on apostasy I completely reject the idea that apostasy has a man-made punishment
doctrines on dhimmis I completely reject the idea that non-muslims have an inferior status under a muslim-majority state
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy I completely reject the notion of a caliphate in Islamic doctrine


Looks like its not terribly hard to create objective, non-Islamphobic criticism...  That is if you have the desire to do so, Soren.   ::)

I don't see any objective, reasoned criticism.

It's all 'I don't like it".


Moving the goalposts again, Soren?

Are you really this careless with your language when dealing with patients?   How many have they had to fish out of the harbour after listening to your diagnosis or treatment?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy



The goalpost are unmoved.

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 6th, 2015 at 3:03pm

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy



The goalpost are unmoved.

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


So, you agree that your comments are not objective Soren?  How unsurprising!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm
No. I was accused of not being objective by Gandy, Mutha, Brain etc when I criticise Islam and was laffed at when I cited an article saying that Islam can be completely rejected for good, rational reasons.



You lot reflexively label any and all criticism of Islam as 'Islamophobic' but then say that objective and reasonable criticism of Islam is possible and you are also on the side of reason.
SO I am asking you for examples of rational and objective, non-Islamophobic ways of being critical of Islam.
I am also saying that, just as it was not enough for Pauline Hanson to say 'I don't like it' it's not enough for Gandy to say what he doesn't like.


I am asking for examples which you guys accept as both rational, objective and non-Islamophobic criticisms of Islam.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 6th, 2015 at 3:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.

Give us a few examples, then.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2015 at 6:58pm

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 11:29am:
You can think what you like about me. The question is not about me.



Can you give some examples of 'objective' criticism that you think is not Islamophobic on

sharia
Koran
Mohammed
jihad
segregation and subjugation of women
doctrines on apostasy
doctrines on dhimmis
superiority of the caliphate over liberal democracy



The goalpost are unmoved.

The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


No no, old boy, it's all about wat you like or dislike, remember?

Well, dislike.

There are Muslim schools and sects devoted to the take G has articulated. There are also brutal, cruel and stupid schools of Muslim dogma, most of them funded by Saudi oil money. Your age-old rebuttal that Muslims like G are responsible for their correction is akin to saying that Lutherans like yourself are responsible for Vatican-funded regimes in Central America. It's a stock old oy response. You've been using it for years.

Wake us all up when you come up with something new. Your posts are as predictable as Mormor's cuckoo clock. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 6th, 2015 at 7:04pm

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.

Give us a few examples, then.


The record appears to be stuck.

Mind you, the Pauline Hanson quote is gold.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 7th, 2015 at 12:48pm
Massive ‘Islamophobia industry’ flourishes in US and by extension, Australia.

Mosque Installed at Venice Biennale Tests City’s Tolerance

‘The View’s’ Whoopi Goldberg Blames Texas Cartoon Contest Organizer for ISIS Attack

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 7th, 2015 at 2:53pm
Tasmanian man jailed for assaulting 15yo Afghan asylum seeker

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 7th, 2015 at 2:59pm
;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 3:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.



So if, like you, I say simply say that "I completely reject" every tenet of Islam - that's OK, that's not I slamophobic. I don't have to say why I reject it all, just saying 'I don't like it' is sufficient.  But if I provide reasons for completely rejecting Islam I am likely to stray into Islamophobic territory because giving concrete, critical reasons is Islamophobic lies.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 7th, 2015 at 3:31pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.



So if, like you, I say simply say that "I completely reject" every tenet of Islam - that's OK, that's not I slamophobic. I don't have to say why I reject it all, just saying 'I don't like it' is sufficient.  But if I provide reasons for completely rejecting Islam I am likely to stray into Islamophobic territory because giving concrete, critical reasons is Islamophobic lies.


Why not try it and we'll tell you if you're being Islamophobic Soren?   Could be interesting to start from zero and work out exactly why you're Islamophobic!  Here, just lie down on the coach and make yourself comfortable Soren!   ;D :D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D :D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 7th, 2015 at 4:43pm

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm:
No. I was accused of not being objective by Gandy, Mutha, Brain etc when I criticise Islam and was laffed at when I cited an article saying that Islam can be completely rejected for good, rational reasons.



You lot reflexively label any and all criticism of Islam as 'Islamophobic' but then say that objective and reasonable criticism of Islam is possible and you are also on the side of reason.
SO I am asking you for examples of rational and objective, non-Islamophobic ways of being critical of Islam.
I am also saying that, just as it was not enough for Pauline Hanson to say 'I don't like it' it's not enough for Gandy to say what he doesn't like.


I am asking for examples which you guys accept as both rational, objective and non-Islamophobic criticisms of Islam.


I tried to make it easy for you S - by giving you an exceedingly simple criteria which I'll repeat for the nth time: anything that is not based on lies about muslims or Islam.

Lie:

noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie:
He flung the lie back at his accusers.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 7th, 2015 at 5:21pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.



So if, like you, I say simply say that "I completely reject" every tenet of Islam - that's OK, that's not I slamophobic. I don't have to say why I reject it all, just saying 'I don't like it' is sufficient.  But if I provide reasons for completely rejecting Islam I am likely to stray into Islamophobic territory because giving concrete, critical reasons is Islamophobic lies.




If you say you "completely reject every tenet of Islam" that is not ok. That is Islamophobic. You cannot say you know every tenet to disagree with. There's bound to be something in there you think is reasonable. It only stands to reason. To assume that it is all distasteful to you without knowing it is prejudiced.

Prejudiced relating to Islam is Islamophobia.

The error you are trying to see around Soren is actually in your head. You're conflating issues and failing to see the points made to you. To add to the Islamophobia inherent in the statement about you rejecting every tenet, you also also told a lie. It is untrue that you reject every tenet of Islam for you cannot possibly know them all.

Gandalf has tried to explain to you that open and constructive criticism of Islam can only begin from a point in which no lies are the basis for discussion. That is proving itself to be true in your inability to understand simple concepts. You're just not starting in the right place.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 7th, 2015 at 5:24pm
... although i suspect that at least a goodly part of your belligerence is simple refusal to give ground.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm:
No. I was accused of not being objective by Gandy, Mutha, Brain etc when I criticise Islam and was laffed at when I cited an article saying that Islam can be completely rejected for good, rational reasons.



You lot reflexively label any and all criticism of Islam as 'Islamophobic' but then say that objective and reasonable criticism of Islam is possible and you are also on the side of reason.
SO I am asking you for examples of rational and objective, non-Islamophobic ways of being critical of Islam.
I am also saying that, just as it was not enough for Pauline Hanson to say 'I don't like it' it's not enough for Gandy to say what he doesn't like.


I am asking for examples which you guys accept as both rational, objective and non-Islamophobic criticisms of Islam.


I tried to make it easy for you S - by giving you an exceedingly simple criteria which I'll repeat for the nth time: anything that is not based on lies about muslims or Islam.

Lie:

noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie:
He flung the lie back at his accusers.



SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 7th, 2015 at 7:00pm

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 5:24pm:
... although i suspect that at least a goodly part of your belligerence is simple refusal to give ground.


Too true...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 7th, 2015 at 7:19pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


oh FF.S  ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

All my posts.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 7th, 2015 at 7:28pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

All my posts.


Then my criticism stands.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 7:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

Well, it all started with this post:


Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 9:01am:
Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamophobic-that-i-have-to-say-all-at-once/



The baying mob of bedwetting offense takers immediately questioned good and rational reasons - these are red rags to the likes of you Brain. Reason is an oppressive western construct to you. Karnal will hold forth about it at length any moment now.
Gandy will pretend that Allah and all his works are reasonable and not arbitrary and unfathomable.







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 7:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

All my posts.


Then my criticism stands.   ::)

You make no criticism, Brain. You flame.

Reason and rationality to you are like garlic to a vampire. You think eye-rolling is an argument. You are that thick and that devoid of thought.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 7th, 2015 at 7:59pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

All my posts.


Then my criticism stands.   ::)

You make no criticism, Brain. You flame.

Reason and rationality to you are like garlic to a vampire. You think eye-rolling is an argument. You are that thick and that devoid of thought.


When I see some "reason and rationality" I do not flee into my coffin, Soren.  Unfortunately I haven't seen much in your posts.  I see a great deal of the obverse qualities.

Whenever you are stopped through criticism of your argument, you automatically resort to ad hominem debate, attacking your opponent personally.  Time you woke up to yourself.  It's incredibly childish watching your posts because of how you react...  ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 8:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:56pm:
No. I was accused of not being objective by Gandy, Mutha, Brain etc when I criticise Islam and was laffed at when I cited an article saying that Islam can be completely rejected for good, rational reasons.



You lot reflexively label any and all criticism of Islam as 'Islamophobic' but then say that objective and reasonable criticism of Islam is possible and you are also on the side of reason.
SO I am asking you for examples of rational and objective, non-Islamophobic ways of being critical of Islam.
I am also saying that, just as it was not enough for Pauline Hanson to say 'I don't like it' it's not enough for Gandy to say what he doesn't like.


I am asking for examples which you guys accept as both rational, objective and non-Islamophobic criticisms of Islam.


I tried to make it easy for you S - by giving you an exceedingly simple criteria which I'll repeat for the nth time: anything that is not based on lies about muslims or Islam.

Lie:

noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4.
the charge or accusation of telling a lie:
He flung the lie back at his accusers.

Give me examples of non-Islamophobic rational and objective criticism of Islam.

Don't give me stupid definitions.

I want to what actual criticism of Islam - actual criticism, mind - you accept as good, rational and non-Islamophobic.

I ask for the sinister and Islamophobic reason that I do not believe for a moment that you accept any actual criticism of Islam as good, reasonable and objective.  If you did you would have given us examples already. Instead you are doing the usual slimy and slithery eye rolling routine (and being knowingly dishonest, for you do know what I am asking you but pretend otherwise).

You are cornered, pal, and your only way out is to concede that you are ducking or to provide examples.  Same for you your hangers-on - put up of slink orf.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 8:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
SO neither you nor the rest of your posse  can think of a single example of objective, reasonable and non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.


No, Soren, we're asking YOU for such an example.   Can you provide one?  ::)

All my posts.


Then my criticism stands.   ::)

You make no criticism, Brain. You flame.

Reason and rationality to you are like garlic to a vampire. You think eye-rolling is an argument. You are that thick and that devoid of thought.


When I see some "reason and rationality" I do not flee into my coffin, Soren.  Unfortunately I haven't seen much in your posts.  I see a great deal of the obverse qualities.

Whenever you are stopped through criticism of your argument, you automatically resort to ad hominem debate, attacking your opponent personally.  Time you woke up to yourself.  It's incredibly childish watching your posts because of how you react...  ::)

Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.





Comment, bozo.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 7th, 2015 at 8:53pm

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.



So if, like you, I say simply say that "I completely reject" every tenet of Islam - that's OK, that's not I slamophobic. I don't have to say why I reject it all, just saying 'I don't like it' is sufficient.  But if I provide reasons for completely rejecting Islam I am likely to stray into Islamophobic territory because giving concrete, critical reasons is Islamophobic lies.




If you say you "completely reject every tenet of Islam" that is not ok. That is Islamophobic. You cannot say you know every tenet to disagree with. There's bound to be something in there you think is reasonable. It only stands to reason. To assume that it is all distasteful to you without knowing it is prejudiced.

Prejudiced relating to Islam is Islamophobia.

The error you are trying to see around Soren is actually in your head. You're conflating issues and failing to see the points made to you. To add to the Islamophobia inherent in the statement about you rejecting every tenet, you also also told a lie. It is untrue that you reject every tenet of Islam for you cannot possibly know them all.

Gandalf has tried to explain to you that open and constructive criticism of Islam can only begin from a point in which no lies are the basis for discussion. That is proving itself to be true in your inability to understand simple concepts. You're just not starting in the right place.



Gandalf and you and the rest of you are furiously ducking the request to provide actual "open and constructive criticism of Islam...in which no lies are the basis for discussion".  But despite my asking you about a dozen times, you have not given us a single example of an "open and constructive criticism of Islam... in which no lies are the basis for discussion".

If you actually thought that such criticism existed you would have showed it by now. But you demonstrate you complete bad faith in this discussion by not providing an example of what you say is the proper approach.

You are all dishonest and you all know it.

PS
I completely reject Nazism, Stalinism, Islam, Scientology, woodoo, astrology, satanism, AGW and a load of other things that have no redeeming features as far as I can see. I have not been presented with a single positive aspect of Islam that is not done much more wholesomely and better by other creeds. In other words Islam has no positive feature that was not borrowed from elsewhere. The only unique and new things it brought are bad and I reject them.

But I would like you to prove me wrong and show me what was both new and positive in Islam.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 7th, 2015 at 11:49pm

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Comment, bozo.


This was copied from here.  You once again attempt to use other's words without attribution, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 11:43am

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.



So if, like you, I say simply say that "I completely reject" every tenet of Islam - that's OK, that's not I slamophobic. I don't have to say why I reject it all, just saying 'I don't like it' is sufficient.  But if I provide reasons for completely rejecting Islam I am likely to stray into Islamophobic territory because giving concrete, critical reasons is Islamophobic lies.




If you say you "completely reject every tenet of Islam" that is not ok. That is Islamophobic. You cannot say you know every tenet to disagree with. There's bound to be something in there you think is reasonable. It only stands to reason. To assume that it is all distasteful to you without knowing it is prejudiced.

Prejudiced relating to Islam is Islamophobia.

The error you are trying to see around Soren is actually in your head. You're conflating issues and failing to see the points made to you. To add to the Islamophobia inherent in the statement about you rejecting every tenet, you also also told a lie. It is untrue that you reject every tenet of Islam for you cannot possibly know them all.

Gandalf has tried to explain to you that open and constructive criticism of Islam can only begin from a point in which no lies are the basis for discussion. That is proving itself to be true in your inability to understand simple concepts. You're just not starting in the right place.



Gandalf and you and the rest of you are furiously ducking the request to provide actual "open and constructive criticism of Islam...in which no lies are the basis for discussion".  But despite my asking you about a dozen times, you have not given us a single example of an "open and constructive criticism of Islam... in which no lies are the basis for discussion".

If you actually thought that such criticism existed you would have showed it by now. But you demonstrate you complete bad faith in this discussion by not providing an example of what you say is the proper approach.

You are all dishonest and you all know it.

PS
I completely reject Nazism, Stalinism, Islam, Scientology, woodoo, astrology, satanism, AGW and a load of other things that have no redeeming features as far as I can see. I have not been presented with a single positive aspect of Islam that is not done much more wholesomely and better by other creeds. In other words Islam has no positive feature that was not borrowed from elsewhere. The only unique and new things it brought are bad and I reject them.

But I would like you to prove me wrong and show me what was both new and positive in Islam.


No-one is ducking and weaving anything except you Soren. Although what you are doing is not quite so graceful as ducking and weaving. We're all waiting for you to get the point.

Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme? Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam? Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam? Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

If you DO concede these points, congratulations. You have been paying attention.

If you do NOT concede these points then i can only arrive at the conclusion that there is no point trying to get through to you at all and i shall simply mock you hence-forth, like i do with the others.

And as for completely rejecting a religion or an ideology, to do so you need to understand it lest you make yourself a poorly informed, prejudiced liar.

I utterly reject Islamophobia. I understand it fully. I know the points they are trying to make and i have challenged them intellectually and found them wanting. Likewise i reject white supremacy, racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia and assorted other prejudices and ideologies. But i know them. I have objectively assessed them. You have not done so with Islam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on May 8th, 2015 at 12:35pm
Those who use the technically and logically incorrect term Islamophobia are showing their idiocy.


Quote:
Phobia-
noun
A persistent ,irrational fear of a specific object,activity or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/phobia


Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is not an object,activity or situation, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

Anyone who uses the term Islamophobia is just showing how retarded they are.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 8th, 2015 at 1:01pm
Still hiding from your Islamophobia Baron?  How typical of an Islamophobe to argue there is no thing as "Islamophobia", despite our rather obvious pointing out the reverse!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on May 8th, 2015 at 1:05pm

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:01pm:
Still hiding from your Islamophobia Baron?  How typical of an Islamophobe to argue there is no thing as "Islamophobia", despite our rather obvious pointing out the reverse!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed hb

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 8th, 2015 at 1:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:01pm:
Still hiding from your Islamophobia Baron?  How typical of an Islamophobe to argue there is no thing as "Islamophobia", despite our rather obvious pointing out the reverse!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed hb


Yet you act like you are indeed Phobic about Islam and Muslims.

Won't accept my word?  How about the Oxford Dictionary's definition of Islamophobia?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on May 8th, 2015 at 1:33pm

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:01pm:
Still hiding from your Islamophobia Baron?  How typical of an Islamophobe to argue there is no thing as "Islamophobia", despite our rather obvious pointing out the reverse!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed hb


Yet you act like you are indeed Phobic about Islam and Muslims.

Won't accept my word?  How about the Oxford Dictionary's definition of Islamophobia?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


This?

Quote:
Dislike of or predjudice against Islam or muslims,especially as a political force


If we look at where Islam is a political force we have al Shaabab,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state and the Islamic republic of Iran.

All of those areas are ruled by sharia law,heads are chopped off for apostates,homosexuals and witches,adulterers are stoned to death,thieves have hands and feet amputated,women are considered second class citizens.

So I guess you approve of al Shaabab,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state and the mad mullahs from Iran hb? ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 8th, 2015 at 2:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:01pm:
Still hiding from your Islamophobia Baron?  How typical of an Islamophobe to argue there is no thing as "Islamophobia", despite our rather obvious pointing out the reverse!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed hb


Yet you act like you are indeed Phobic about Islam and Muslims.

Won't accept my word?  How about the Oxford Dictionary's definition of Islamophobia?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


This?

Quote:
Dislike of or predjudice against Islam or muslims,especially as a political force


If we look at where Islam is a political force we have al Shaabab,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state and the Islamic republic of Iran.


Surely cannot forget Indonesia (most Muslim populated nation in the world), Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajkistan, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Morrocco, Mali, Niger and so on Baron.  Just because you cannot perceive the difference between Islamist and Islamic doesn't preclude the rest of us who aren't Islamophobic!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D 


Quote:
So I guess you approve of al Shaabab,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state and the mad mullahs from Iran hb? ;D


Nope.  Do you approve of Joseph Kony, George Pheps or George Pell?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on May 8th, 2015 at 3:16pm

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 1:01pm:
Still hiding from your Islamophobia Baron?  How typical of an Islamophobe to argue there is no thing as "Islamophobia", despite our rather obvious pointing out the reverse!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Islam is a set of beliefs that guide life for muslims, it is a fallacy that one can be phobic of beliefs.

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed hb


Yet you act like you are indeed Phobic about Islam and Muslims.

Won't accept my word?  How about the Oxford Dictionary's definition of Islamophobia?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


This?

Quote:
Dislike of or predjudice against Islam or muslims,especially as a political force


If we look at where Islam is a political force we have al Shaabab,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state and the Islamic republic of Iran.

So I guess you approve of al Shaabab,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state and the mad mullahs from Iran hb? ;D


Nope.


If we use your oxford definition then dislike of al Shaaba,Boko Haram,Taliban,Islamic state or the Islamic republic of Iran makes you an Islamophobe.

That would make hypocrites like you ,peccahead,mothra and Gandalf Islamophobes!

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 11:49pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it.... And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Comment, bozo.


This was copied from here.  You once again attempt to use other's words without attribution, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1429659473/77#77

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:29pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:43am:
No-one is ducking and weaving anything except you Soren. Although what you are doing is not quite so graceful as ducking and weaving. We're all waiting for you to get the point.

Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme? Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam? Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam? Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

If you DO concede these points, congratulations. You have been paying attention.

If you do NOT concede these points then i can only arrive at the conclusion that there is no point trying to get through to you at all and i shall simply mock you hence-forth, like i do with the others.

And as for completely rejecting a religion or an ideology, to do so you need to understand it lest you make yourself a poorly informed, prejudiced liar.

I utterly reject Islamophobia. I understand it fully. I know the points they are trying to make and i have challenged them intellectually and found them wanting. Likewise i reject white supremacy, racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia and assorted other prejudices and ideologies. But i know them. I have objectively assessed them. You have not done so with Islam.

Give me examples of non-Islamophobic rational and objective criticism of Islam.



I want to see what actual criticism of Islam - actual criticism, mind - you accept as good, rational and non-Islamophobic, objective. You say you fully understand Islam - so you must have some criticism of it unless you think it is perfect.


I ask for the sinister and Islamophobic reason that I do not believe for a moment that you accept any actual criticism of Islam as good, reasonable and objective.  If you did you would have given us examples already. Instead you are doing the usual slimy and slithery eye rolling routine (and being knowingly dishonest, for you do know what I am asking you but pretend otherwise).

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:34pm
Here's an example of what I think is objective, rational criticsism of Islam:

Islam and Intellectual Terrorism
by IBN WARRAQ

Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals. A better definition would be a freethinker, not in the narrow sense of someone who does not accept the dogmas of traditional religion, but in the wider sense of someone who has the will to find out, who exhibits rational doubt about prevailing intellectual fashions, and who is unafraid to apply critical thought to any subject. If the intellectual is really committed to the notion of truth and free inquiry, then he or she cannot stop the inquiring mind at the gates of any religion -- let alone Islam. And yet, that is precisely what has happened with Islam, criticism of which in our present intellectual climate is taboo.

The reason why many intellectuals have continued to treat Islam as a taboo subject are many and various, including:

political correctness leading to Islamic correctness
the fear of playing into the hands of racists or reactionaries to the detriment of the West’s Muslim minorities
commercial or economic motives
feelings of post-colonial guilt -- where the entire planet’s problems are attributed to the West’s wicked ways and intentions
plain physical fear
and intellectual terrorism of writers such as Edward Said


Said not only taught an entire generation of Arabs the wonderful art of self-pity (if only those wicked Zionists, imperialists and colonialists would leave us alone, we would be great, we would not have been humiliated, we would not be backward) but intimidated feeble Western academics, and even weaker, invariably leftish, intellectuals into accepting that any criticism of Islam was to be dismissed as orientalism, and hence invalid.

But the first duty of the intellectual is to tell the truth. Truth is not much in fashion in this postmodern age when continental charlatans have infected Anglo-American intellectuals with the thought that objective knowledge is not only undesirable but unobtainable. I believe that to abandon the idea of truth not only leads to political fascism, but stops dead all intellectual inquiry. To give up the notion of truth means forsaking the goal of acquiring knowledge. But man, as Aristotle put it, by nature strives to know. Truth, science, intellectual inquiry and rationality are inextricably bound together. Relativism, and its illegitimate offspring, multiculturalism, are not conducive to the critical examination of Islam.

Said wrote a polemical book, Orientalism (1978), whose pernicious influence is still felt in all departments of Islamic studies, where any critical discussion of Islam is ruled out a priori . For Said, orientalists are involved in an evil conspiracy to denigrate Islam, to maintain its people in a state of permanent subjugation and are a threat to Islam’s future. These orientalists are seeking knowledge of oriental peoples only in order to dominate them; most are in the service of imperialism.

Said’s thesis was swallowed whole by Western intellectuals, since it accords well with the deep anti-Westernism of many of them. This anti-Westernism resurfaces regularly in Said’s prose, as it did in his comments in the Guardian after September 11th. The studied moral evasiveness, callousness and plain nastiness of Said’s article, with its refusal to condemn outright the attacks on America or show any sympathy for the victims or Americans, leave an unpleasant taste in the mouth of anyone whose moral sensibilities have not been blunted by political and Islamic correctness. In the face of all evidence, Said still argues that it was US foreign policy in the Middle East and elsewhere that brought about these attacks.

The unfortunate result is that academics can no longer do their work honestly. A scholar working on recently discovered Qur’anic manuscripts showed some of his startling conclusions to a distinguished colleague, a world expert on the Qur’an. The latter did not ask, "What is the evidence, what are your arguments, is it true?" The colleague simply warned him that his thesis was unacceptable because it would upset Muslims.

In 2001, Professor Josef van Ess, a scholar whose works are essential to the study of Islamic theology, cut short his research, fearing it would not meet the approval of Sunni Islam. Gunter Luling was hounded out of the profession by German universities because he proposed the radical thesis that at least a third of the Qur’an was originally a pre-Islamic, Christian hymnody, and thus had nothing to do with Mohammed. One German Arabist says academics are now wearing "a turban spiritually in their mind," practicing "Islamic scholarship" rather than scholarship on Islam. Where biblical criticism has made important advances since the 16th century, when Spinoza demonstrated that the Pentateuch could not have been written by Moses, the Qur’an is virtually unknown as a human document susceptible to analysis by the instruments and techniques of biblical criticism.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 5:35pm
For crying out loud Soren. are you deliberately trying to be as infuriating as you can?

And where sis i say i fully understood Islam? Proof you don't bloody well read what people write to you.

Go back and read it again and pay attention this time.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:36pm
reformation and wilfully ignore books such as Anwar Shaikh’s Islam -- The Arab Imperialism (1998), or my Why I Am Not A Muslim (1995). How do they think reformation will come about if not with criticism? The proposed 2001 legislation by the British Labour government to protect Muslims, while well-intentioned, is woefully misguided. It will mean publishers will be even more reluctant to take on works critical of Islam. If we stifle rational discussion of Islam, what will emerge will be the very thing that political correctness and the Government seek to avoid: virulent, racist populism. If there are further terrorist acts then irrational xenophobia will be the only means of expression available. We also cannot allow Muslims subjectively to decide what constitutes "incitement to religious hatred," since any legitimate criticism of Islam will then be shouted down as religious hatred. Only in a democracy where freedom of inquiry is protected will science progress. Hastily conceived laws risk smothering the golden thread of rationalism running through Western Civilisation.
http://www.liberalinstitute.com/IslamAndIntellectualTerrorism.html

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 5:37pm
"Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals."


You expect me to take a piece that starts like that seriously?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:39pm
Another

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_1_urbanities-steyn.html

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:41pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsJdWPXUtY

Another

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:43pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
"Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals."


You expect me to take a piece that starts like that seriously?

Yes.

Read the objective, rational criticism of Islam and comment, bint.

Don't look for lane-o excuses for not providing or endorsing examples of acceptable objective criticism of Islam.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
"Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals."


You expect me to take a piece that starts like that seriously?

Yes.

Read the objective, rational criticism of Islam and comment, bint.

Don't look for lane-o excuses for not providing or endorsing examples of acceptable objective criticism of Islam.



How about you get back to answering our questions Soren. We've been waiting for days.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:58pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
"Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals."


You expect me to take a piece that starts like that seriously?

Yes.

Read the objective, rational criticism of Islam and comment, bint.

Don't look for lane-o excuses for not providing or endorsing examples of acceptable objective criticism of Islam.



How about you get back to answering our questions Soren. We've been waiting for days.



I asked you guys about acceptable, objective criticisms of Islam when you mocked my post from The Spectator saying it is possible to reject Islam for good rational reasons.

Instead of giving me the acceptable ways of criticising Islam, you have given me a series of questions just to get out of answering mine.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 6:11pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
"Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals."


You expect me to take a piece that starts like that seriously?

Yes.

Read the objective, rational criticism of Islam and comment, bint.

Don't look for lane-o excuses for not providing or endorsing examples of acceptable objective criticism of Islam.



How about you get back to answering our questions Soren. We've been waiting for days.



I asked you guys about acceptable, objective criticisms of Islam when you mocked my post from The Spectator saying it is possible to reject Islam for good rational reasons.

Instead of giving me the acceptable ways of criticising Islam, you have given me a series of questions just to get out of answering mine.



Because one cannot start objective discussion with you ... as you keep proving.

We have been offering you opportunities to join us at a reasoned starting point.

If you actually read any of our posts properly, you would understand that by now. It has been pointed out to you many times in many different ways.

But you just get so darned cross. Probably because you're a Scando.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 6:53pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:37pm:
"Aldous Huxley once defined an intellectual as someone who had found something in life more important than sex: a witty but inadequate definition, since it would make all impotent men and frigid women intellectuals."


You expect me to take a piece that starts like that seriously?

Yes.

Read the objective, rational criticism of Islam and comment, bint.

Don't look for lane-o excuses for not providing or endorsing examples of acceptable objective criticism of Islam.



How about you get back to answering our questions Soren. We've been waiting for days.



I asked you guys about acceptable, objective criticisms of Islam when you mocked my post from The Spectator saying it is possible to reject Islam for good rational reasons.

Instead of giving me the acceptable ways of criticising Islam, you have given me a series of questions just to get out of answering mine.



Because one cannot start objective discussion with you ... as you keep proving.

We have been offering you opportunities to join us at a reasoned starting point.

If you actually read any of our posts properly, you would understand that by now. It has been pointed out to you many times in many different ways.

But you just get so darned cross. Probably because you're a Scando.

Your opening gambit is always calling any criticism of Islam Islamophobic and always equate criticism of Islam with criticism of every Muslim. This is a knowingly dishonest tactic.

My opening gambit in this round was criticising this very tactic, the conflating of criticism of Islam with criticism and hatred for every single muslim. You, Gandy, Brain et al come up with this tactic every time.

If I say sharia and jihad are at the heart of Islam, the chorus will immediately say that not all Muslims believe in sharia and jihad, as if saying that they are at the heart of Islam meant that every Muslim believes them.

You make this category mistake consistently, every time, and it is not an innocent mistake, not a result of mere intellectual laziness or simple stupidity. You know precisely what you are doing.

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I am asking you a very simple thing and you have been doing everything to avoid facing it. And I am convinced that you will all continue to to do everything to avoid it and to carry on with the stupid Islamophobia mongering. 

I do not believe you can imagine an objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and a complete rejection of it on such grounds.








Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 8th, 2015 at 6:55pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:43am:
No-one is ducking and weaving anything except you Soren. Although what you are doing is not quite so graceful as ducking and weaving. We're all waiting for you to get the point.

Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme? Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam? Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam? Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

If you DO concede these points, congratulations. You have been paying attention.

If you do NOT concede these points then i can only arrive at the conclusion that there is no point trying to get through to you at all and i shall simply mock you hence-forth, like i do with the others.

And as for completely rejecting a religion or an ideology, to do so you need to understand it lest you make yourself a poorly informed, prejudiced liar.

I utterly reject Islamophobia. I understand it fully. I know the points they are trying to make and i have challenged them intellectually and found them wanting. Likewise i reject white supremacy, racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia and assorted other prejudices and ideologies. But i know them. I have objectively assessed them. You have not done so with Islam.

Give me examples of non-Islamophobic rational and objective criticism of Islam.



I want to see what actual criticism of Islam - actual criticism, mind - you accept as good, rational and non-Islamophobic, objective. You say you fully understand Islam - so you must have some criticism of it unless you think it is perfect.


I ask for the sinister and Islamophobic reason that I do not believe for a moment that you accept any actual criticism of Islam as good, reasonable and objective.  If you did you would have given us examples already. Instead you are doing the usual slimy and slithery eye rolling routine (and being knowingly dishonest, for you do know what I am asking you but pretend otherwise).


But, old boy, you continue to deflect the very question of honesty in your own posts. no speaka da English, eh?

We understand. No one has the right to not be offended. Present company excluded, dear boy..

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 6:56pm
This just in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SwkADfQelU

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 6:59pm

Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:55pm:
But, old boy, you continue to deflect the very question of honesty in your own posts. no speaka da English, eh?

We understand. No one has the right to not be offended. Present company excluded, dear boy..

Good to see you still not making sense.

AT least you are consistent.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 8th, 2015 at 7:01pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?


The old boy prefers the term mendacious, dear.

Cunning, no? Intelligence and integrity, innit.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 7:01pm
Here's another objective, rational, lucid criticsm of Islam.

REad the book, this is just the intro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqdH9PXK-IQ

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 8th, 2015 at 7:04pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:55pm:
But, old boy, you continue to deflect the very question of honesty in your own posts. no speaka da English, eh?

We understand. No one has the right to not be offended. Present company excluded, dear boy..

Good to see you still not making sense..


Keep trying, old boy. You'll learn the language eventually.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 8th, 2015 at 7:07pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.


Now now, old chap, we won't have that.

Your own stupid and mendacious posts have so much depth.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.



Just wow Soren. It is so much crap. It's even worse that an Andrew Bolt piece, At least he uses quotes a stuff to prove his agenda, however taken out of context they are.

This is just some rather questionable human beating his own chest about his right to question Islam and how we are being suppressed from critisising Islam all while making no actual criticisms ... just whining about a couple of incidents he didn't like.

He doesn't even stop congratulating himself for his limited intellect until the second to last paragraph.

It is seeded with snide insinuations and relies upon the reader already having a healthy dislike of Islam.

At no point throughout the piece is the author's opinion in question. It's an opinion piece ... and a very poorly researched and considered one.

It is NOT objective. It is NOT clever. It is NOT a critique of Islam. It is NOT any good.

It's poo.


Now will you answer our questions?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on May 8th, 2015 at 7:46pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 9:03pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.



Just wow Soren. It is so much crap. It's even worse that an Andrew Bolt piece, At least he uses quotes a stuff to prove his agenda, however taken out of context they are.

This is just some rather questionable human beating his own chest about his right to question Islam and how we are being suppressed from critisising Islam all while making no actual criticisms ... just whining about a couple of incidents he didn't like.

He doesn't even stop congratulating himself for his limited intellect until the second to last paragraph.

It is seeded with snide insinuations and relies upon the reader already having a healthy dislike of Islam.

At no point throughout the piece is the author's opinion in question. It's an opinion piece ... and a very poorly researched and considered one.

It is NOT objective. It is NOT clever. It is NOT a critique of Islam. It is NOT any good.

It's poo.


Now will you answer our questions?



Lot of puffery but no coherent argument.


Put an objective, clever, good, rational argument - you can't.

Shouting down others is the sport of fools like you.  You could not present a reasoned case if your life was in the balance. All you can say is 'I don't like it"
That is your absolute outer limit. You bleat, for you can do no otherwise.







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 9:16pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.



Just wow Soren. It is so much crap. It's even worse that an Andrew Bolt piece, At least he uses quotes a stuff to prove his agenda, however taken out of context they are.

This is just some rather questionable human beating his own chest about his right to question Islam and how we are being suppressed from critisising Islam all while making no actual criticisms ... just whining about a couple of incidents he didn't like.

He doesn't even stop congratulating himself for his limited intellect until the second to last paragraph.

It is seeded with snide insinuations and relies upon the reader already having a healthy dislike of Islam.

At no point throughout the piece is the author's opinion in question. It's an opinion piece ... and a very poorly researched and considered one.

It is NOT objective. It is NOT clever. It is NOT a critique of Islam. It is NOT any good.

It's poo.


Now will you answer our questions?



Lot of puffery but no coherent argument.


Put an objective, clever, good, rational argument - you can't.

Shouting down others is the sport of fools like you.  You could not present a reasoned case if your life was in the balance. All you can say is 'I don't like it"
That is your absolute outer limit. You bleat, for you can do no otherwise.




MORE deflection.

Can you answer the questions Soren? OR can you NOT answer the questions?

By the way, my critique of that article was giving it more attention than it deserved. It was poo.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 8th, 2015 at 9:33pm
What's the question mutha?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 9:35pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
What's the question mutha?


The questions we have been asking you for days.

Oh please say you'll answer them. I'm so hoping you do.

Scroll back, there's a good Scando.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 9:41pm
The fact that you ask "what question" ( i clearly said questionS ... twice) goes quite a long way into evidencing that you don't actually read our posts at all.

Too busy reacting for a quiet read Soren?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 10:03pm
,,,,aaaaaand he's gone again.

Gandalf, you know how you said you were entertaining Soren because you thought he may be more intelligent than your run of the mill Islamophobe?

I think you might need to reconsider,

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on May 8th, 2015 at 11:27pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 10:03pm:
... more intelligent than your run of the mill Islamophobe?



Well, that's an oxymoron.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 8th, 2015 at 11:34pm
Obfuscation is Soren's middle name, Mothra.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 11:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 10:03pm:
... more intelligent than your run of the mill Islamophobe?



Well, that's an oxymoron.



Well there ARE degrees ... but i now suspect Soren to be unworthy of special consideration.

I shall go back to mocking him as i did before. It was much more fun anyway.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by greggerypeccary on May 8th, 2015 at 11:55pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:53pm:
... but i now suspect Soren to be unworthy of special consideration.



He's worthy of special consideration.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 11:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:34pm:
Obfuscation is Soren's middle name, Mothra.   ::)



Yes i just learned that. Astonishing really. He should be locked up and studied. Quite a disproportionate amount of anger for the rebuttal of points he wasn't really making anyway.

And how do ignore questions put to you for days on end by several different people ... only then to ask ."what question"?

Astonishing.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 8th, 2015 at 11:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:55pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:53pm:
... but i now suspect Soren to be unworthy of special consideration.



He's worthy of special consideration.





Weeeeellll .. if you look at it like that ...  ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 9th, 2015 at 12:03pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
What's the question mutha?


The questions we have been asking you for days.

Oh please say you'll answer them. I'm so hoping you do.

Scroll back, there's a good Scando.

What about the questions I had asked you before?
I asked you a question first. Answeri and I will answer your questions.
How about that?

Your questions were put simply to avoid answering mine.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 9th, 2015 at 12:11pm
Your opening gambit is always calling any criticism of Islam Islamophobic and always equating criticism of Islam with criticism of every Muslim. This is a knowingly dishonest tactic.

My opening gambit in this round was criticising this very tactic, the conflating of criticism of Islam with criticism and hatred for every single muslim. You, Gandy, Brain et al come up with this tactic every time.

If I say sharia and jihad are at the heart of Islam, the chorus will immediately say that not all Muslims believe in sharia and jihad, as if saying that they are at the heart of Islam meant that every Muslim believes them.

You make this category mistake consistently, every time, and it is not an innocent mistake, not a result of mere intellectual laziness or simple stupidity. You know precisely what you are doing.

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I am asking you a very simple thing and you have been doing everything to avoid facing it. And I am convinced that you will all continue to to do everything to avoid it and to carry on with the stupid Islamophobia mongering. 

I do not believe you can imagine an objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and a complete rejection of it on such grounds.





I posted the above a page an a half ago, yesterday. You numpties have done exactly what I predicted. You simply cannot "show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible" because to you EVEREY criticism of Islam by a non-Muslim is Islamophobia.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 9th, 2015 at 3:59pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.



Just wow Soren. It is so much crap. It's even worse that an Andrew Bolt piece, At least he uses quotes a stuff to prove his agenda, however taken out of context they are.

This is just some rather questionable human beating his own chest about his right to question Islam and how we are being suppressed from critisising Islam all while making no actual criticisms ... just whining about a couple of incidents he didn't like.

He doesn't even stop congratulating himself for his limited intellect until the second to last paragraph.

It is seeded with snide insinuations and relies upon the reader already having a healthy dislike of Islam.

At no point throughout the piece is the author's opinion in question. It's an opinion piece ... and a very poorly researched and considered one.

It is NOT objective. It is NOT clever. It is NOT a critique of Islam. It is NOT any good.

It's poo.

Now will you answer our questions?


Bon apetite.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 9th, 2015 at 4:01pm

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:49pm:
By the way, you're article is rubbish. You should be ashamed trying to pass that off as intelligent .... or objective.

Pathetic.

Which part is not objective? Which part is not true?



Come on Soren. You're not this stupid, are you?



I think you are. There is nothing Islamophobic in that short text. If you have argument with any part of it, state your argument.

But calling me stupid just shows that you are incapable of putting a coherent argument against anything, even something that you think is supremely deserving of criticism.

It just shows that you are not even shallow.



Just wow Soren. It is so much crap. It's even worse that an Andrew Bolt piece, At least he uses quotes a stuff to prove his agenda, however taken out of context they are.

This is just some rather questionable human beating his own chest about his right to question Islam and how we are being suppressed from critisising Islam all while making no actual criticisms ... just whining about a couple of incidents he didn't like.

He doesn't even stop congratulating himself for his limited intellect until the second to last paragraph.

It is seeded with snide insinuations and relies upon the reader already having a healthy dislike of Islam.

At no point throughout the piece is the author's opinion in question. It's an opinion piece ... and a very poorly researched and considered one.

It is NOT objective. It is NOT clever. It is NOT a critique of Islam. It is NOT any good.

It's poo.


Now will you answer our questions?



Lot of puffery but no coherent argument.


Put an objective, clever, good, rational argument - you can't.

Shouting down others is the sport of fools like you.  You could not present a reasoned case if your life was in the balance. All you can say is 'I don't like it"


It’s the old boy way, no? PBs, Brains, dirty little inverts...

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 9th, 2015 at 4:07pm

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:27pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 10:03pm:
... more intelligent than your run of the mill Islamophobe?



Well, that's an oxymoron.



Well there ARE degrees ... but i now suspect Soren to be unworthy of special consideration.


I say. The old boy can hardly be expected to understand your English. He’s the only one here who has the right to not be offended.

No speaka da English, eh?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 9th, 2015 at 4:29pm

Soren wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
What's the question mutha?


The questions we have been asking you for days.

Oh please say you'll answer them. I'm so hoping you do.

Scroll back, there's a good Scando.

What about the questions I had asked you before?
I asked you a question first. Answeri and I will answer your questions.
How about that?

Your questions were put simply to avoid answering mine.


That’s the spirit, old chap. But I have to ask - why don’t you just pretend to oppose porkie pies?

You could hold yourself up as a champion of truth. You know, where there was id there shall ego be, all that.

Ridiculous, I know, but it helps to play to the stalls every now and then. You don’t want these squishy bedwetters thinking you have no spine, shurely.

Intelligence and integrity, old boy, that’s the ticket.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm
Your opening gambit is always calling any criticism of Islam Islamophobic and always equating criticism of Islam with criticism of every Muslim. This is a knowingly dishonest tactic.

My opening gambit in this round was criticising this very tactic, the conflating of criticism of Islam with criticism and hatred for every single muslim. You, Gandy, Brain et al come up with this tactic every time.

If I say sharia and jihad are at the heart of Islam, the chorus will immediately say that not all Muslims believe in sharia and jihad, as if saying that they are at the heart of Islam meant that every Muslim believes them.

You make this category mistake consistently, every time, and it is not an innocent mistake, not a result of mere intellectual laziness or simple stupidity. You know precisely what you are doing.

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I am asking you a very simple thing and you have been doing everything to avoid facing it. And I am convinced that you will all continue to to do everything to avoid it and to carry on with the stupid Islamophobia mongering. 

I do not believe you can imagine an objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and a complete rejection of it on such grounds.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by gandalf on May 10th, 2015 at 7:37pm

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.


I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part  helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 10th, 2015 at 8:13pm

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
Your opening gambit is always calling any criticism of Islam Islamophobic and always equating criticism of Islam with criticism of every Muslim. This is a knowingly dishonest tactic.

My opening gambit in this round was criticising this very tactic, the conflating of criticism of Islam with criticism and hatred for every single muslim. You, Gandy, Brain et al come up with this tactic every time.

If I say sharia and jihad are at the heart of Islam, the chorus will immediately say that not all Muslims believe in sharia and jihad, as if saying that they are at the heart of Islam meant that every Muslim believes them.

You make this category mistake consistently, every time, and it is not an innocent mistake, not a result of mere intellectual laziness or simple stupidity. You know precisely what you are doing.

And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.

I am asking you a very simple thing and you have been doing everything to avoid facing it. And I am convinced that you will all continue to to do everything to avoid it and to carry on with the stupid Islamophobia mongering. 

I do not believe you can imagine an objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and a complete rejection of it on such grounds.


But, old boy, you have already provided the valid criticism - all your posts. Remember?

Intelligence, integrity, and a staunch defence of porkie pies. How could we possibly want anything else?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 10th, 2015 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.


I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part  helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.

Why did this take so long?

And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 10th, 2015 at 8:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.


I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part  helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.



Now now, G, the old boy's just having a giggle. Sometimes a question is just a question, remember - prticularly when you're trying to evade and cover up your own porkies.

But I remember one of your own criticisms: the good old Muslim child marriage epidemic. After we read the fine print, it turned out the epidemic was "defacto" marriages in predominantly Aboriginal areas. The Muslim child marriage epidemic comprised of one actual Muslim child marriage.

You posted the article in good faith, but it turned out to be a porkie all along. This didn't stop posters like Sprint, FD and Y jumping to its defence and pulling all sorts of contortions. The old boy had a good time too, but even he laid low with that howler.

Another case of intelligence and integrity, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 11th, 2015 at 12:52am

Soren wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 12:03pm:

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
What's the question mutha?


The questions we have been asking you for days.

Oh please say you'll answer them. I'm so hoping you do.

Scroll back, there's a good Scando.

What about the questions I had asked you before?
I asked you a question first. Answeri and I will answer your questions.
How about that?

Your questions were put simply to avoid answering mine.



You haven't answered our questions yet.

And they were not put to avoid answering yours at all. Where do you come up with this stuff?

They were genuine questions i would like to see answers to.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 11th, 2015 at 11:37am

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 8:26pm:
Why did this take so long?


Because you kept attacking?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 11th, 2015 at 3:06pm

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


No, Soren, attacking!  You know, when you lose your cool and resort to personal insults?  You know, where you attack Muslims and Islam for no reason other than to satisfy your atavistic desire to insult people?   Or do those happen when your meds have run out?  Or you're on the Grog?   :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 11th, 2015 at 3:49pm

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?


We wouldn't want to see him doing that, now would we?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 11th, 2015 at 4:12pm
:D
|dev|null wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


No, Soren, attacking!  You know, when you lose your cool and resort to personal insults?  You know, where you attack Muslims and Islam for no reason other than to satisfy your atavistic desire to insult people?   Or do those happen when your meds have run out?  Or you're on the Grog?   :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

:D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 11th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 8:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm:
And this is why I repeatedly have been asking you to show us what an objective reasonable criticism of Islam looks like if you think it is possible. Leave the Muslims to one side, just show jow an ideology, a religion can be objectively, reasonably criticised without you lot baying Islamophobia within seconds.


I really did try and make it easy for you, but you absolutely insist on having it spelled out to you. Clearly it *DOESN'T* suffice to simply point out that it can be absolutely anything that is not based on lies - and not even re-emphasising the "ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING part  helps - evidently.

So here you go S - a sample of objective criticism that is acceptable (ie not based on lies):

- muslims are guilty of putting too much emphasis on the violent and intolerant interpretation of Islam - thus leading many non-muslims to not unreasonably equate Islam as a violent religion

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a religion that intrudes on personal rights and freedoms - attracting not unreasonable criticism from non-muslims

- muslims are guilty of interpreting Islam as a mysognistic religion - attracting acceptable criticism from non-muslims about the religion on this front.

Are you getting the gist of it yet Soren? These are all criticisms that are based on undeniable facts - ie how muslims present their religion to the world. There undeniably *ARE* muslims who promote violent, anti-freedom and mysognist (and many other) versions of Islam - and criticism of this is absolutely warranted - and I'll happily join in it.

Why did this take so long?

And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?


'ello??!!!



And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 11th, 2015 at 9:04pm

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?


Why not ask Muslims, Soren?  When you post your questions over at Islamic Village?  I'd like to see the reaction...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 12:56am

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


Sometimes a question is just a question, SE.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 1:00am

Brian Ross wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?


Why not ask Muslims, Soren? 


Oh, he is. He’ll continue asking questions to evade the very question put to himself.

Shurely shome mishtake, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 1:20pm
Now now, Hot Breasts. It’s not the old boy’s fault he has to resort to squishy, spineless arse-covering and evasion.

He’s trying to defend porkie pies.

It’s a tough job, but someone’s got to do it.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 12th, 2015 at 3:58pm
It would be very hard, if not impossible to get an honest answer from muslims or their apologists, as to how islam is reformable.

Why?

Because the fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet of allah, after whom there can be no other prophet.

**A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other prophet was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an
.**

Reform means allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = the end of islam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 12th, 2015 at 4:07pm
So, Moses who is going to be the next Christ?  You?  When will you lead your people out of the wilderness of sin and debauchery that they current dwell in and redeem them through the slaughter of all unbelievers?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 12th, 2015 at 4:11pm
A perfect example of:

It would be very hard, if not impossible to get an honest answer from muslims or their apologists, as to how islam is reformable.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 12th, 2015 at 4:19pm
It would be very hard, if not impossible to get an honest answer from muslims or their apologists, as to how islam is reformable.

Why?

Because the fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet of allah, after whom there can be no other prophet.

**A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other prophet was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.**

Reform means allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = the end of islam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 12th, 2015 at 4:22pm

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.


He won't 'cause to do so would be to admit that Christ was the last and only redeemer of Christianity...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 4:25pm
You’re better than the old boy, Moses. Your skills in evasion are second only to your talent at repetition.

Gud is great, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm
The trolls are on the run, desperately trying to deflect attention away from the fact that islam will be destroyed by any meaningful reform.

Why?

Because the fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet of allah, after whom there can be no other prophet.

**A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other prophet was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.**

Reform means allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = the end of islam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.


He won't 'cause to do so would be to admit that Christ was the last and only redeemer of Christianity...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Oh. I thought it was because he doesn’t take questions.

You know, like the Muselman.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 4:29pm

moses wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm:
The trolls are on the run, desperately trying to deflect attention away from the fact that islam will be destroyed by any meaningful reform.

Why?

Because the fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet of allah, after whom there can be no other prophet.

**A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other prophet was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.**

Reform means allah, muhammad and the qur'an got it wrong = the end of islam.


The resemblance is uncanny. It’s as if he’s swallowed a Koran.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 12th, 2015 at 4:29pm

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.


He won't 'cause to do so would be to admit that Christ was the last and only redeemer of Christianity...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Oh. I thought it was because he doesn’t take questions.

You know, like the Muselman.


OK, hadn't considered that...   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 12th, 2015 at 4:35pm
I accept that  muslims and their apologists are unable to explain how islam can be reformed.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 12th, 2015 at 5:21pm

moses wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
I accept that  muslims and their apologists are unable to explain how islam can be reformed.


By voting?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.

Any other questions?








Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 12th, 2015 at 5:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 8:34pm:
And how will you expunge the violent, anti-freedom and mysoginist (and many other) aspect of Islam?
How is Islam reformable?


Why not ask Muslims, Soren? 

I asked Gandy. Has he apostatised since and isn't a Muslim any more???  :o

I have a very good argument but I didn't expect such a spectacular result.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 12th, 2015 at 6:22pm

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.


He won't 'cause to do so would be to admit that Christ was the last and only redeemer of Christianity...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Oh. I thought it was because he doesn’t take questions.

You know, like the Muselman.


OK, hadn't considered that...   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D



Thank you, boys. When I see you two sVcking each other's d!cks like this I am assured that I am right. 

As you were. (where's Brain, BTW?)




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 7:57pm

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.

Any other questions?


You’ve trained him well, Moses. The old boy now reads from a script.

Remember, old boy, there are no small parts, only small players.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 8:11pm

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.


He won't 'cause to do so would be to admit that Christ was the last and only redeemer of Christianity...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Oh. I thought it was because he doesn’t take questions.

You know, like the Muselman.


OK, hadn't considered that...   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D



Thank you, boys. When I see you two sVcking each other's d!cks like this I am assured that I am right. 


But of course. Every post you make that evades the question of porkie pies proves you’re mendacious.

If you think no one sees it, you’re stupid too.

Stupid, mendacious, right - it’s all much of a muchness, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 12th, 2015 at 8:33pm

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.

Any other questions?


You’ve trained him well, Moses. The old boy now reads from a script.

Remember, old boy, there are no small parts, only small players.



Well, suck on that, PB, to coin a phrase.

Suck on that.  You know you like to.




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 12th, 2015 at 8:36pm

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
You didn’t answer the question, Moses.


He won't 'cause to do so would be to admit that Christ was the last and only redeemer of Christianity...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Oh. I thought it was because he doesn’t take questions.

You know, like the Muselman.


OK, hadn't considered that...   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D



Thank you, boys. When I see you two sVcking each other's d!cks like this I am assured that I am right. 


But of course. Every post you make that evades the question of porkie pies proves you’re mendacious.

If you think no one sees it, you’re stupid too.

Stupid, mendacious, right - it’s all much of a muchness, no?

Like me, like the rest of us, you too have forgotten the question you asked me.   All this endless bollocks is just that, from all of you, stupid, trolling and wanking to the gallery from you guys.

What IS your question, PB? You have no idea.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 12th, 2015 at 8:47pm
Ah - you just don’t want to answer.

Here, dear, we’ll put some lippie on you. Your anus needs a little sparkle.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 13th, 2015 at 3:35pm

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

moses wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
I accept that  muslims and their apologists are unable to explain how islam can be reformed.


By voting? 

Haram.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 13th, 2015 at 4:23pm

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.


Yet it has such a long entry in most dictionaries Soren!


Quote:
Any other questions?


Nope, 'cause you don't answer them!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 13th, 2015 at 5:31pm

Soren wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

moses wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
I accept that  muslims and their apologists are unable to explain how islam can be reformed.


By voting? 

Haram.


Yet, within the Mosque it is used to determine governance issues and people Soren.   Therefore, it must be OK...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 13th, 2015 at 6:56pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:
[quote author=soren2 link=1411175033/589#589 date=1431311907]Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.


Yet it has such a long entry in most dictionaries Soren!

[quote]
There are pretty long dictionary entries for fairies and they don't exist either.

Gawd, you are thick.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 13th, 2015 at 11:48pm
Just had a read back and you haven't answered the questions yet Soren.

Bad form.

No answers maybe?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 13th, 2015 at 11:53pm

Soren wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.


Yet it has such a long entry in most dictionaries Soren!

There are pretty long dictionary entries for fairies and they don't exist either.


They were believed to exist at one time though, Soren.

Islamophobia is believed to exist now...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 14th, 2015 at 12:00pm

mothra wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 11:48pm:
Just had a read back and you haven't answered the questions yet Soren.

Bad form.

No answers maybe?

What's the question?

I don't remember it but you seem to. Why not put it again and see what happens?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 14th, 2015 at 12:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

Soren wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Attacking? You mean asking the question about acceptable, objective, reasonable criticism of Islam and not taking evasion as an answer.


Quite so. No one has the right to evasion, old chap.

Except your good self, no?

And what have I evaded, PB?


This?  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D



"Islamophobia" is an idiotic, empty concept and so nobody can be guilty of it, not even me.  Only idiots think it means anything and so only idiots will ask if someone is an Islamophobe.


Yet it has such a long entry in most dictionaries Soren!

There are pretty long dictionary entries for fairies and they don't exist either.


They were believed to exist at one time though, Soren.

Islamophobia is believed to exist now...   ::)

Exactly. It's today's crazy superstition.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 14th, 2015 at 4:38pm

Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:00pm:
I don't remember it


Ah.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 14th, 2015 at 9:26pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Soren wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

moses wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
I accept that  muslims and their apologists are unable to explain how islam can be reformed.


By voting? 

Haram.


Yet, within the Mosque it is used to determine governance issues and people Soren.   Therefore, it must be OK...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Well, all the bearded d!ckheads go on about how haram it is to participate in elections.

One more example of the Islamic cognitive dissonance that shows just how completely at a loss they are when it comes to reconciling the 7th and 21st centuries.





Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 14th, 2015 at 9:27pm

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:00pm:
I don't remember it


Ah.

Nor do you.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 15th, 2015 at 11:17am

Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

Soren wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

moses wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 4:35pm:
I accept that  muslims and their apologists are unable to explain how islam can be reformed.


By voting? 

Haram.


Yet, within the Mosque it is used to determine governance issues and people Soren.   Therefore, it must be OK...   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Well, all the bearded d!ckheads go on about how haram it is to participate in elections.


So, they are "bearded d!ckheads" who don't participate in Mosque business.


Quote:
One more example of the Islamic cognitive dissonance that shows just how completely at a loss they are when it comes to reconciling the 7th and 21st centuries.


Yet their Mosques function...    ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 15th, 2015 at 5:52pm
mosques (around the globe) are functioning perfectly well as recruiting centres for muslim women, children, teenagers and men, to perform islamic terrorist activities.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 15th, 2015 at 6:34pm

moses wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:52pm:
mosques (around the globe) are functioning perfectly well as recruiting centres for muslim women, children, teenagers and men, to perform islamic terrorist activities.


Really?  Or is it only a small number of Mosques?   The ones run by radicals?    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 15th, 2015 at 11:59pm

Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:00pm:
I don't remember it


Ah.

Nor do you.


Oh, old boy, I even told you how to.answer it.

Porkie pies about porkie pies, eh?

Only the old boy, effendes.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 16th, 2015 at 1:20pm
Brian Ross wrote
Quote:
Really?  Or is it only a small number of Mosques?   The ones run by radicals?


Every mosque run by muslims who believe and preach: the fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet of allah, after whom there can be no prophet.

A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad. He was sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other prophet was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.


Every single one of them is a hotbed of islamic terrorism recruitment.



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 16th, 2015 at 1:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

moses wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 5:52pm:
mosques (around the globe) are functioning perfectly well as recruiting centres for muslim women, children, teenagers and men, to perform islamic terrorist activities.


Really?  Or is it only a small number of Mosques?   The ones run by radicals?    ::)

Which ones are run by radicals, Brain?

And how can you tell?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2015 at 2:38pm
Australian mosques are notoriously conservative and dull. They preach prayer. Troublemakers are not tolerated.

The real action happens in.small groups or cells, set up in people’s houses. "Recruitment" happens largely online, on hysterical discussion boards like this one. Radical Muslims in Australia are quite isolated. Many are new converts. The message they get from mosques is prayer, Quran reading and other boring stuff, and this frustrates them no end.

Many of the troublemakers and "terrorist suspects" caught in Australia had stopped attending mosques.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by double plus good on May 16th, 2015 at 2:41pm
Many of the troublemakers and "terrorist suspects" caught in Australia had stopped attending mosques. By Ms Knowledge.

Really???

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by issuevoter on May 16th, 2015 at 3:06pm

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Australian mosques are notoriously conservative and dull. They preach prayer. Troublemakers are not tolerated.

The real action happens in.small groups or cells, set up in people’s houses. "Recruitment" happens largely online, on hysterical discussion boards like this one. Radical Muslims in Australia are quite isolated. Many are new converts. The message they get from mosques is prayer, Quran reading and other boring stuff, and this frustrates them no end.

Many of the troublemakers and "terrorist suspects" caught in Australia had stopped attending mosques.


"Radical" Islam is a convenient myth for apologists and other excuse makers. If they believe Moh was the messenger of God, they are dangerous.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2015 at 3:43pm
Really. Monis stopped attending his mosque after members of the Muslim community, including an imam, dobbed him in to the cops.

Imams and community leaders like Hilaly blame "Sheik Google" for good reason. Joining foreign battles and violent jihads is a very underground thing. It has to be. Those found guilty of    facilitating such activities in Australia get custodial sentences.

David Hicks found no support for foreign jihad in Australian mosques back in the late 1990s. He was actively discouraged from going to Pakistan. Hicks said that the solution to all human affairs was prayer. It was not easy hooking up with the militant group he found in Pakistan, and this was not encouraged by any mosque or imam - far from it. He obtained these connections from people he hooked up with while travelling.

Mosques in Australia do not preach violent jihad. I doubt you’ll find such a message in too many foreign mosques either. Radical imams  have their occasional gripe, but you rarely hear this in a mosque.

Mosques, the world over, are places for prayer, not sabre rattling. You’ll find few exceptions to this rule - ISIL is one. If you can think of any others I’d be pleased to hear about them.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2015 at 3:45pm

issuevoter wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Australian mosques are notoriously conservative and dull. They preach prayer. Troublemakers are not tolerated.

The real action happens in.small groups or cells, set up in people’s houses. "Recruitment" happens largely online, on hysterical discussion boards like this one. Radical Muslims in Australia are quite isolated. Many are new converts. The message they get from mosques is prayer, Quran reading and other boring stuff, and this frustrates them no end.

Many of the troublemakers and "terrorist suspects" caught in Australia had stopped attending mosques.


"Radical" Islam is a convenient myth for apologists and other excuse makers. If they believe Moh was the messenger of God, they are dangerous.


Feel free to correct my thinking, Issue. I’m only repeating what I’ve heard and read. If you can show me otherwise, I’ll be forced to change my mind.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by double plus good on May 16th, 2015 at 3:47pm

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:43pm:
Really. Monis stopped attending his mosque after members of the Muslim community, including an imam, dobbed him in to the cops.

Imams and community leaders like Hilaly blame "Sheik Google" for good reason. Joining foreign battles and violent jihads is a very underground thing. It has to be. Those found guilty of    facilitating such activities in Australia get custodial sentences.

David Hicks found no support for foreign jihad in Australian mosques back in the late 1990s. He was actively discouraged from going to Pakistan. Hicks said that the solution to all human affairs was prayer. It was not easy hooking up with the militant group he found in Pakistan, and this was not encouraged by any mosque or imam - far from it. He obtained these connections from people he hooked up with while travelling.

Mosques in Australia do not preach violent jihad. I doubt you’ll find such a message in too many foreign mosques either. Radical imams  have their occasional gripe, but you rarely hear this in a mosque.

Mosques, the world over, are places for prayer, not sabre rattling. You’ll find few exceptions to this rule - ISIL is one. If you can think of any others I’d be pleased to hear about them.
You are saying most of the jihadis busted in oz stopped going to a mosque. You've quoted Monis. That's one. What about all the others. They can attend a mosque and still be a radical. Prove your statement.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2015 at 4:33pm
I don't know about "most" jihadists, Double. I'm hardly going on statistics here.

What I am going on are the comments made by a few parents after they lost their kids to the Syrian conflict. Their boys isolated themselves, stopped attending the mosque and community events, and spent a lot of time in their rooms on the internet.

Sounds like some of the more dogmatic menbers of this board, eh?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2015 at 8:07pm
Here's an article I just stumbled upon today. Looks like these articles are becoming a genre in themselves.


Quote:
Friends of a Queensland teenager, who is believed to have travelled to Syria, say he has been transformed and influenced by "the wrong people".

The 18-year-old failed to return from a humanitarian trip to Indonesia.

Federal counter-terrorism police intelligence suggests he is in a conflict zone and he is suspected of having aligned himself with an al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group.

Australian Federal Police Commander Peter Crozier urged him to think of what he was putting his family through but said he would face "some sort of action" when he returned.

A statement from the teen's family said: "We had no indication that he was making plans to travel to the Middle East, however we now know that he is probably there.

"We do not believe he is participating in fighting of any kind, nor supporting or participating in terrorist acts."

The teen's  parents said they would assist in all efforts to get him safely home.

"We love our son very much," they said.

The Gold Coast student reportedly moved back to Toowoomba with his family last year.

Toowoomba mayor Paul Antonio said the Darling Downs city community had been shocked by its apparent brush with Islamic extremism.

"It just goes to show the risk of this happening is everywhere in Australia," he said.

"Toowoomba is a harmonious, peaceful, multicultural community and if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere."
Cr Antonio said Toowoomba was a "refugee welcome zone" with a proud history of taking in people of all cultures.

"People are genuinely shocked and there's a feeling of how stupid is this boy to do this sort of thing?" he said.

"I'm not picking up any sympathy for him.

"I feel for the parents who obviously love him."

Cr Antonio said the teen appeared to have made "a particularly bad life choice".

He had reportedly converted to Islam after becoming friends with several Muslim students at school.

"We knew he had gone a bit strange but never imagined he would do anything like this," one friend said.

"He was just a kid who loved school, football and music."

A Facebook page set up under the teen's name shows him with friends on the last day of the 2014 school year and playing football with children in Indonesia in March this year.

Another profile, under the name Yusuf Oli, shows the teen posing at mosques.

"Extremism is as a result of lying against Allah," one post from December 2014 reads.

"For when the extremist fails to produce evidence and interpretation, he resorts to lying against Allah to fulfill [sic] his whims."

Islamic Society of Toowoomba president  Shahjahan Khan said the teen had attended some prayer sessions.

"Whatever he is doing is no way linked to Toowoomba," Dr Khan told ABC radio.

"I think it's something else that comes from online. It has nothing to do with the Toowoomba community or Toowoomba Islam."

The cases of two Queensland men charged with terrorism offences are due to be mentioned in court this week.
Omar Succarieh, 32, and Agim Kruezi, 22, remain in custody as prosecutors build their case against them.

The men are charged with preparing for incursions into foreign states.

Mr Kruezi is also charged with planning a terrorist act, while Mr Succarieh is charged with providing funds to the terrorist organisation Jabhat al-Nusra.

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk conceded  on Friday that governments were not doing enough to stop troubled youths from being drawn to terrorist groups overseas.

"We need to make sure that disengaged youth are not subjected to encouragement from terrorist organisations," she said.

The government is reportedly looking for a way to revoke Australian citizenship of those involved in terrorism, even if they are not citizens of another country.

"I think most Australians would want to make sure that people who have Australian citizenship treat it as a privilege," Immigration Minister Peter Dutton told the ABC.

In February, it was reported that the Abbott government was considering changes to the law to cancel welfare payments and even the citizenship of suspected terrorists, provided they hold another citizenship so are not rendered stateless.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/friends-of-alleged-queensland-terror-teen-say-he-fell-in-with-the-wrong-people-20150516-gh39sq.html

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 16th, 2015 at 8:19pm

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:43pm:
Really. Monis stopped attending his mosque after members of the Muslim community, including an imam, dobbed him in to the cops.

Imams and community leaders like Hilaly blame "Sheik Google" for good reason. Joining foreign battles and violent jihads is a very underground thing. It has to be. Those found guilty of    facilitating such activities in Australia get custodial sentences.

David Hicks found no support for foreign jihad in Australian mosques back in the late 1990s. He was actively discouraged from going to Pakistan. Hicks said that the solution to all human affairs was prayer. It was not easy hooking up with the militant group he found in Pakistan, and this was not encouraged by any mosque or imam - far from it. He obtained these connections from people he hooked up with while travelling.

Mosques in Australia do not preach violent jihad. I doubt you’ll find such a message in too many foreign mosques either. Radical imams  have their occasional gripe, but you rarely hear this in a mosque.

Mosques, the world over, are places for prayer, not sabre rattling. You’ll find few exceptions to this rule - ISIL is one. If you can think of any others I’d be pleased to hear about them.
You are saying most of the jihadis busted in oz stopped going to a mosque. You've quoted Monis. That's one. What about all the others. They can attend a mosque and still be a radical. Prove your statement.


I think you'll find that Karnal is right about the mainstream Mosques.  Its the smaller, self-created prayer-halls which the radicals tend to congregate at.  The radicals want similar minded people around them and the mainstream Mosques aren't interested in conflict.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 16th, 2015 at 8:50pm
There's a self-created prayer hall on my street. Believe it or not, all they do there is turn up, pray and leave in their cars.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by double plus good on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:43pm:
Really. Monis stopped attending his mosque after members of the Muslim community, including an imam, dobbed him in to the cops.

Imams and community leaders like Hilaly blame "Sheik Google" for good reason. Joining foreign battles and violent jihads is a very underground thing. It has to be. Those found guilty of    facilitating such activities in Australia get custodial sentences.

David Hicks found no support for foreign jihad in Australian mosques back in the late 1990s. He was actively discouraged from going to Pakistan. Hicks said that the solution to all human affairs was prayer. It was not easy hooking up with the militant group he found in Pakistan, and this was not encouraged by any mosque or imam - far from it. He obtained these connections from people he hooked up with while travelling.

Mosques in Australia do not preach violent jihad. I doubt you’ll find such a message in too many foreign mosques either. Radical imams  have their occasional gripe, but you rarely hear this in a mosque.

Mosques, the world over, are places for prayer, not sabre rattling. You’ll find few exceptions to this rule - ISIL is one. If you can think of any others I’d be pleased to hear about them.
You are saying most of the jihadis busted in oz stopped going to a mosque. You've quoted Monis. That's one. What about all the others. They can attend a mosque and still be a radical. Prove your statement.


I think you'll find that Karnal is right about the mainstream Mosques.  Its the smaller, self-created prayer-halls which the radicals tend to congregate at.  The radicals want similar minded people around them and the mainstream Mosques aren't interested in conflict.   ::)
THREE terrorists had repaid the kindness of Australians with an evil plot to slaughter dozens of soldiers at an army base, a judge said yesterday.
Justice Betty King said the families of Saney Aweys, 28, and Nayev El Sayed, 27, had fled civil war in Somalia and Lebanon, while Libyan Wissam Fattal, 35, came to Australia to further his kickboxing career.
"The fact that Australia welcomed all of you, and nurtured you and your families, is something that should cause you all to hang your heads in shame that this was the way you planned to show your thanks for that support," the judge said.
"Your views about Australia and Australians, and your attitude towards the country's armed forces, its civilians, and its government, were clear. Your plans were evil."
Justice King jailed the three for 18 years, and set minimum terms of 13 1/2 years
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The judge said Fattal, Aweys and El Sayed were all unrepentant radical Muslims and would remain a threat to the public while they held extremist views. But of the three, only Fattal can be deported on his release from jail. His co-conspirators have Australian citizenship.
Justice King said the men had planned an armed attack on Sydney's Holsworthy army base by up to six men, who would shoot dead as many people as they could before they were killed.
She said they all had a connection to the Preston mosque, support for a Somalian terrorist group, and were driven by extremist Muslim views.


Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by double plus good on May 16th, 2015 at 9:38pm
?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 17th, 2015 at 12:01am

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??


And out of how many families and individuals who prayer there, who have been involved in Terrorism?  Three individual men.  Yes, it appears Preston Mosque is a mainstream Mosque but no one is denying there can't be bad apples...   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2015 at 1:56am

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
?


Don’t ask me. I’ve never been to.a mosque in my life.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Rhino on May 17th, 2015 at 2:24am

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:01am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??


And out of how many families and individuals who prayer there, who have been involved in Terrorism?  Three individual men.  Yes, it appears Preston Mosque is a mainstream Mosque but no one is denying there can't be bad apples...   ::)
just curious how many radical Christians connected with a mainstream church have been arrested for terror plots lately.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Rhino on May 17th, 2015 at 2:26am

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 1:56am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
?


Don’t ask me. I’ve never been to.a mosque in my life.

Sure. but we know you have definitely been on all fours on the carpet with your bum in the air.

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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2015 at 3:04am

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:01am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??


And out of how many families and individuals who prayer there, who have been involved in Terrorism?  Three individual men.  Yes, it appears Preston Mosque is a mainstream Mosque but no one is denying there can't be bad apples...   ::)
just curious how many radical Christians connected with a mainstream church have been arrested for terror plots lately.


Do Catholics count? Try Central and South America, Homo, there’s plenty there, particularly in Mexico. Or Basque separatists in Spain if that’s more your thing. Russian Orthodox? Go to the Ukraine - one of them recently shot down a plane with some Aussies on it. Apparently Putin had nothing to do with it, but Mr Abbott shirtfronted him anyway. Protestants are tricky - they’ve been a bit quiet lately, but they’ll probably start back up in the US when things pick up again.

It is a jolly world, no?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2015 at 3:06am

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:26am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 1:56am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
?


Don’t ask me. I’ve never been to.a mosque in my life.

Sure. but we know you have definitely been on all fours on the carpet with your bum in the air.


And you say you’re not Homo.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Rhino on May 17th, 2015 at 3:08am

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 3:04am:

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:01am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??


And out of how many families and individuals who prayer there, who have been involved in Terrorism?  Three individual men.  Yes, it appears Preston Mosque is a mainstream Mosque but no one is denying there can't be bad apples...   ::)
just curious how many radical Christians connected with a mainstream church have been arrested for terror plots lately.


Do Catholics count? Try Central and South America, Homo, there’s plenty there, particularly in Mexico. Or Basque separatists in Spain if that’s more your thing. Russian Orthodox? Go to the Ukraine - one of them recently shot down a plane with some Aussies on it. Apparently Putin had nothing to do with it, but Mr Abbott shirtfronted him anyway. Protestants are tricky - they’ve been a bit quiet lately, but they’ll probably start back up in the US when things pick up again.

It is a jolly world, no?
Which country is Preston mosque in?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Rhino on May 17th, 2015 at 3:09am

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 3:06am:

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:26am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 1:56am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:38pm:
?


Don’t ask me. I’ve never been to.a mosque in my life.

Sure. but we know you have definitely been on all fours on the carpet with your bum in the air.


And you say you’re not Homo.

im homo sapiens.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2015 at 4:21am

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 3:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 3:04am:

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:01am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??


And out of how many families and individuals who prayer there, who have been involved in Terrorism?  Three individual men.  Yes, it appears Preston Mosque is a mainstream Mosque but no one is denying there can't be bad apples...   ::)
just curious how many radical Christians connected with a mainstream church have been arrested for terror plots lately.


Do Catholics count? Try Central and South America, Homo, there’s plenty there, particularly in Mexico. Or Basque separatists in Spain if that’s more your thing. Russian Orthodox? Go to the Ukraine - one of them recently shot down a plane with some Aussies on it. Apparently Putin had nothing to do with it, but Mr Abbott shirtfronted him anyway. Protestants are tricky - they’ve been a bit quiet lately, but they’ll probably start back up in the US when things pick up again.

It is a jolly world, no?
Which country is Preston mosque in?


Which country is Syria in?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 17th, 2015 at 12:11pm

rhino wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:01am:

double plus good wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
Preston Mosque is a mainstream mosque, is it not??


And out of how many families and individuals who prayer there, who have been involved in Terrorism?  Three individual men.  Yes, it appears Preston Mosque is a mainstream Mosque but no one is denying there can't be bad apples...   ::)
just curious how many radical Christians connected with a mainstream church have been arrested for terror plots lately.


Depends upon what you define as a "mainstream church", I think.  In the US, anybody can define themselves as a "mainstream church" and it is usually from those groups you find the Homophobes/the Anti-Abortionists/etc. who commit murder and mayhem.   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 17th, 2015 at 4:44pm
All the lies and excuses from muslims and their bootlicking apologists can never change the truth.   

muslims commit their depraved religious atrocities in order to obey the commamds of allah, the teachings of muhammad and the verses in the qur'an which state that jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc. all represent the higher path for a muslim to follow.

Until muslims and their apologists have the fortitude to categorically  denounce the above as being wrong, fallible, imperfect and have no merit or value in a civilized 21st century society, muslim terrorists will be the order of the day for islam.

islam in it's present form is the cause of all the problems.

No one believes the muslim lies or the apologist's excuses any more, as an entity they are probably the most hated people on earth today.

I enjoy watching them sink deeper and deeper into the social sewerage they have created.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2015 at 6:35pm
Moses is getting around to reading the Old Testament.

Any day now, Moses.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 17th, 2015 at 7:29pm
I believe the last book of the O.T. was written about 400 B.C.

That's around 2515 years ago. 

muslims and their apologists badly need to stop living in the ancient past, in order to condone and excuse perverted, degenerate, muslim religious atrocities. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 17th, 2015 at 11:13pm
You read it, Moses. It’s writ by Gud.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Rhino on May 18th, 2015 at 3:20am
Yes, yes, rooty hill, western sydney, homo, blah , blah, blah

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 9:10am
Gud loves homos, Rhino.

As long as it’s Halal certified.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 12:31pm

Soren wrote on May 14th, 2015 at 12:00pm:

mothra wrote on May 13th, 2015 at 11:48pm:
Just had a read back and you haven't answered the questions yet Soren.

Bad form.

No answers maybe?

What's the question?

I don't remember it but you seem to. Why not put it again and see what happens?



No surprises. I'll see if i can find it for you Soren, seeing as it's too tricky for you.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 12:40pm
Her you go Soren. Here's where the questions started.

Answer away.





polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Soren wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 4:22pm:
would you mind telling us whether it was objectively 'rational' or 'irrational' of the Charlie Hebdo staff to be fearful of elements of Islam?


Of course it was a rational fear.

Anyway, back to the point - which I can't believe you could be missing so badly.

How about I bring it a little closer to home...

Do you think its "legitimate" criticism of Islam to invent a stereotypical story about a muslim immigrant in Stockholm threatening his family with the kitchen knife with an honour killing - in order to paint a general picture of muslims and Islam in Sweden - a story that had no resemblance whatsoever to the reality? Or do you agree that such mischief hinders the chances of constructively debating legitimate criticisms of Islam?

Or to put it another way, do you think the manufacture of such porky pies day in day out in the name of "legitimate" criticism of Islam adversely affects our ability, as a society, to constructively address the very real and serious threats faced by charlie hebdo and the like?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

Honestly Soren, did you read the full post?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 2:25pm
Here Soren, i'll give you this one too.

Same questions. Repeated for at least the dozenth time.





mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 11:43am:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 3:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
The question has always been about examples of objective criticism that is not Islamophobic - it was never about what Gandalf personally likes or dislikes.


What are you talking about - of course it is: thats my "objective criticism that is not Islamophobic" - which is exactly what you were asking for.

Its an example of being critical of issues pertaining to Islam/muslims without resorting to blatant lies. Hell, you don't even have to be objective - be as un-objective as you like - just don't spew lies. Simple really.



So if, like you, I say simply say that "I completely reject" every tenet of Islam - that's OK, that's not I slamophobic. I don't have to say why I reject it all, just saying 'I don't like it' is sufficient.  But if I provide reasons for completely rejecting Islam I am likely to stray into Islamophobic territory because giving concrete, critical reasons is Islamophobic lies.




If you say you "completely reject every tenet of Islam" that is not ok. That is Islamophobic. You cannot say you know every tenet to disagree with. There's bound to be something in there you think is reasonable. It only stands to reason. To assume that it is all distasteful to you without knowing it is prejudiced.

Prejudiced relating to Islam is Islamophobia.

The error you are trying to see around Soren is actually in your head. You're conflating issues and failing to see the points made to you. To add to the Islamophobia inherent in the statement about you rejecting every tenet, you also also told a lie. It is untrue that you reject every tenet of Islam for you cannot possibly know them all.

Gandalf has tried to explain to you that open and constructive criticism of Islam can only begin from a point in which no lies are the basis for discussion. That is proving itself to be true in your inability to understand simple concepts. You're just not starting in the right place.



Gandalf and you and the rest of you are furiously ducking the request to provide actual "open and constructive criticism of Islam...in which no lies are the basis for discussion".  But despite my asking you about a dozen times, you have not given us a single example of an "open and constructive criticism of Islam... in which no lies are the basis for discussion".

If you actually thought that such criticism existed you would have showed it by now. But you demonstrate you complete bad faith in this discussion by not providing an example of what you say is the proper approach.

You are all dishonest and you all know it.

PS
I completely reject Nazism, Stalinism, Islam, Scientology, woodoo, astrology, satanism, AGW and a load of other things that have no redeeming features as far as I can see. I have not been presented with a single positive aspect of Islam that is not done much more wholesomely and better by other creeds. In other words Islam has no positive feature that was not borrowed from elsewhere. The only unique and new things it brought are bad and I reject them.

But I would like you to prove me wrong and show me what was both new and positive in Islam.


No-one is ducking and weaving anything except you Soren. Although what you are doing is not quite so graceful as ducking and weaving. We're all waiting for you to get the point.

Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme? Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam? Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam? Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.

If you DO concede these points, congratulations. You have been paying attention.

If you do NOT concede these points then i can only arrive at the conclusion that there is no point trying to get through to you at all and i shall simply mock you hence-forth, like i do with the others.

And as for completely rejecting a religion or an ideology, to do so you need to understand it lest you make yourself a poorly informed, prejudiced liar.

I utterly reject Islamophobia. I understand it fully. I know the points they are trying to make and i have challenged them intellectually and found them wanting. Likewise i reject white supremacy, racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia and assorted other prejudices and ideologies. But i know them. I have objectively assessed them. You have not done so with Islam.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

Honestly Soren, did you read the full post?



I don't think Soren reads, he just reacts....   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 2:28pm

|dev|null wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

Honestly Soren, did you read the full post?



I don't think Soren reads, he just reacts....   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D




It's the only possible explanation. It's most frustrating.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Baronvonrort on May 18th, 2015 at 3:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:11pm:
In the US, anybody can define themselves as a "mainstream church" and it is usually from those groups you find the Homophobes/the Anti-Abortionists/etc. who commit murder and mayhem.   ::)


So what is the death toll from anti abortionists is it less than a dozen?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 18th, 2015 at 3:25pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:11pm:
In the US, anybody can define themselves as a "mainstream church" and it is usually from those groups you find the Homophobes/the Anti-Abortionists/etc. who commit murder and mayhem.   ::)


So what is the death toll from anti abortionists is it less than a dozen?


Isn't one death of an innocent, law-abiding person enough for you Baron?  Why does it always have to be about numbers?   Gee, the Nazis killed 10 million in their death camps.  The Communist Russians starved 7 million in the Ukraine.  The Chinese Communists starved 45 million to death in the Great Leap Forward.  The Americans killed millions in Indochina.  The list goes on and on of deaths and destruction which Muslims weren't responsible for but you want to always concentrate on how many Muslims have killed in the last 20 years!  Why?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489
That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is saying.


It's also a porkie pie.


Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 7:19am:
Who committed what terrorist attacks in Australia has also been cleared up some years ago - some were Armenians attacking Turks because of the continued denial of the genocide.


The old boy was caught out repeating this porkie only this year.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 18th, 2015 at 3:36pm
;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 4:08pm

|dev|null wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 12:11pm:
In the US, anybody can define themselves as a "mainstream church" and it is usually from those groups you find the Homophobes/the Anti-Abortionists/etc. who commit murder and mayhem.   ::)


So what is the death toll from anti abortionists is it less than a dozen?
Why does it always have to be about numbers?   Gee, the Nazis killed 10 million in their death camps.  The Communist Russians starved 7 million in the Ukraine.  The Chinese Communists starved 45 million to death in the Great Leap Forward.  The Americans killed millions in Indochina. 


They don't count. Always, absolutely, never ever, remember.

It was the Muselman all along.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 18th, 2015 at 5:18pm
Why don't muslims and their apologists want a peaceful present and future?

Excuses, false analogies, deliberate lies ----- on and on it goes.

Anything to turn attention away from the moral putrefaction of islam.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 5:22pm
Sorry, Moses, did you say deliberate lies?

Not a fan of intelligence and integrity, I see.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by moses on May 18th, 2015 at 5:26pm
Yes I said deliberate lies.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 5:37pm

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489
That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is saying.


It's also a porkie pie.


Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 7:19am:
Who committed what terrorist attacks in Australia has also been cleared up some years ago - some were Armenians attacking Turks because of the continued denial of the genocide.


The old boy was caught out repeating this porkie only this year.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

And yet Muslim terrorism and Muslim violence in the name of Islam remain a huge problem across the world regardless of a domestic murder in Sweden (that looked awfully like another Muslim honour killing at first glance) being committed by a Portuguese or a Muslim immigrant. Needless to say that no such mistakes would be made if the authorities were upfront about the background of offenders. Instead, there is a huge effort to hide detrimental effects of Muslim immigration everywhere.
It is equally irrelevant to the world-wide problem with Muslim terrorism whether there were 2 more or 2 fewer violent attacks or plans of attacks in Australia by Muslims. It makes zero difference.

I can at least say that when the evidence is in, I have no hesitation to admit my mistakes. This is not something the 'Isamophobia'-mongers will ever achieve. They will always look for ways to blame the victims of Islamic violence if they are non-Muslims and ignore the Islamic element of Muslim-ion-Muslim violence and above all, discredit any reasoned and objective criticism of Islam.

Talk about peddling, relentless, a colossal porky, ie victimhood of Islamophobia and Western guilt for Muslims not taking responsibility for the dreadful state of their societies

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 7:05pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 



Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on May 18th, 2015 at 7:52pm

moses wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:26pm:
Yes I said deliberate lies.


Who here has lied, Moses?   Disagreement isn't a lie, I hope you realise?   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 8:18pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489
That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is saying.


It's also a porkie pie.


Soren wrote on May 5th, 2015 at 7:19am:
Who committed what terrorist attacks in Australia has also been cleared up some years ago - some were Armenians attacking Turks because of the continued denial of the genocide.


The old boy was caught out repeating this porkie only this year.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

And yet Muslim terrorism and Muslim violence in the name of Islam remain a huge problem across the world regardless of a domestic murder in Sweden (that looked awfully like another Muslim honour killing at first glance) being committed by a Portuguese or a Muslim immigrant. Needless to say that no such mistakes would be made if the authorities were upfront about the background of offenders. Instead, there is a huge effort to hide detrimental effects of Muslim immigration everywhere.
It is equally irrelevant to the world-wide problem with Muslim terrorism whether there were 2 more or 2 fewer violent attacks or plans of attacks in Australia by Muslims. It makes zero difference.

I can at least say that when the evidence is in, I have no hesitation to admit my mistakes.  


That’s right, old boy. Not only do you have no hesitation, you evade them, ignore them,, deflect them, blame those who point them out, and finally, repeat them.

You’ve also evaded the questions repeated to you above. Cunning, no?

Forgive the old boy, Moses. He has the right to not be offended.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 8:20pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 



Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.


Yes, Mother. It’s known as intelligence and integrity.

Google: taqiyya.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 8:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

moses wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:26pm:
Yes I said deliberate lies.


Who here has lied, Moses? 


Gee, that’s a tough one.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 8:35pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 



Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions  - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).



Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 8:48pm
Good show, dear boy. Shifty, arse-covering,  mendacious, spineless, bedwetting and indignantly offended all in one post.

This must be at least five pages of evasion now - a record?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 8:54pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:25pm:
1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?


2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?


3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?


4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.



1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No.  There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No.  This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it.  It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam.  There is no shifting that.






Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 9:02pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 



Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions  - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).



Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.



The questions are copy and pasted for you a page baack Soren. I even highlighted them.

But you know that, don't you?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 9:05pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:25pm:
1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?


2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?


3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?


4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.



1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No.  There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No.  This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it.  It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam.  There is no shifting that.



Oh. My. God.

Actually answered.

Answered like an absolute fool, but answered nonetheless. I'm astonished.

Well Soren, if they are your honest answers, there is no hope for you. You are a hopeless Islamophobe who is utterly beyond reason,

I suspected as much ... but i had to be sure,

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 9:06pm

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.



Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 9:16pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 



Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions  - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).



Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.



The questions are copy and pasted for you a page baack Soren. I even highlighted them.

But you know that, don't you?

I answered your highlighted questions half an hour before this post of yours,  ya thick old hen.  What's wrong with you (other than being a militant thicko?)




Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 9:19pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 1:33pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411175033/489#489




That's not an answer to the questions put to you. It is merely an admission of one time you provided an example of what Gandalf is sying.

And so saying that my assertions were incorrect, they are obviously not regarded by me as legitimate criticism.



I think you are only marginally less thick than hot breath. 



Are you taking the piss? That's it isn't it. You're taking the piss.

I don't think i've ever seen someone avoid questions harder than you Soren. Unless you re intentionally trying to to take the piss, you may well be one of the daftest people on here .... and that is an enormous call.

Or perhaps simply the most belligerent but that implies you knowing you're at least a little bit wrong and are being defensive about it ...

... i don't think you've worked that out yet.

I have answered all your questions  - all the ones you can yourself remember.

You are flapping your wings, mutha, because you don't remember what questions you asked. And that';s because you do not know your own mind (if mind is the word I want in your case).



Stop farting and scraping around like a laying hen and state your question. Should be a lot easier (if you knew your own mind (if that's the word, etc)) than endlesslyclucking like a bloody hen looking for somewhere to plop.



The questions are copy and pasted for you a page baack Soren. I even highlighted them.

But you know that, don't you?

I answered your highlighted questions half an hour before this post of yours,  ya think old hen.  What's wrong with you (other than being a militant thicko?)



The first few pages of the thread weren't showing up, you miserable old Scando. Couldn't see it. Didn't show up until i posted and clicked the page over.

I've responded to you now. You were found to be wanting.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 9:20pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:25pm:
1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?


2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?


3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?


4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.



1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No.  There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No.  This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it.  It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam.  There is no shifting that.



Oh. My. God.

Actually answered.

Answered like an absolute fool, but answered nonetheless. I'm astonished.

Well Soren, if they are your honest answers, there is no hope for you. You are a hopeless Islamophobe who is utterly beyond reason,

I suspected as much ... but i had to be sure,


I bet anything that neither you (especially not you) nor any of the other 'Islamophobia-mongers can explain how these answers are 'Islamophobic.

You and your merry band are just too stupid to offer any actual reasoning. Your wits run only as far as "Oh. My. God."

You are that thick.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 9:22pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.



Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.

Well, you'll just have to frig yourself to sleep, won't you.
Like every other night.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 9:34pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 2:25pm:
1. Do you or do you not concede that the VAST majority of Islam related material that appears on this forum is sensationalism in the extreme?


2. Do you agree that there are certain posters who post outright lies regarding Islam or at least profoundly out of context so as to demonise Islam?


3. Do you concede that there are people on this forum who present as incapable of having a rational conversation about Islam?


4. Do you concede that nobody is hearing objective criticism of Islam because the goal posts have been shifted so far onto the Islamaphobes side that those of us who are not spend our time trying to drag people up to a starting point for reasoned discourse.



1. No. Some, perhaps, but certainly not the majority and absolutely not he vast majority.

2. No.  There is no context (ie excuse) in which Islamic atrocities are acceptable.

3. No. Islam's defenders are very good at taking no responsibility for action's committed in the name of Islam. Defenders of Islam are acting completely irrationally because they will not concede the possibility of an infidel presenting a valid criticism of the fidels, of Mohammed, of the Koran and the cultural practices of Muslims.

4. No.  This goalpost BS is total BS. Islam is in a bad way, because of what Muslims are doing to it.  It's not buggered because of the Jews or the Brits or the Americans but because of the Muslims. That's the goalposts - Muslims are 100% responsible for Islam.  There is no shifting that.



Oh. My. God.

Actually answered.

Answered like an absolute fool, but answered nonetheless. I'm astonished.

Well Soren, if they are your honest answers, there is no hope for you. You are a hopeless Islamophobe who is utterly beyond reason,

I suspected as much ... but i had to be sure,


I bet anything that neither you (especially not you) nor any of the other 'Islamophobia-mongers can explain how these answers are 'Islamophobic.

You and your merry band are just too stupid to offer any actual reasoning. Your wits run only as far as "Oh. My. God."

You are that thick.



It's really very easy, oh hostile one. Rather unfortunate you aare too dim to see how it follows yourself but i'll help. You have been so brave and stuff.

If you don't accept that the vast majority of material that pops up on this forum regarding Islam is sensationalised and written from a point of existing prejudice, if not outright lies,then you must, logically, agree with said sentiments.

These sentiments are by their very nature Islamophobic. The quality of debate is poor, ill-educated and reactionary. Unsophisticated and poorly considered examples are presented to prove agendas, not open, constructive, objective dialogue about Islam as a complete topic..

You and your cerebrally challenged lot trot out worst case scenario after worst case scenario, a goodly number of them utterly untrue,  and pass them off as common place. It's not very clever and it's not at all constructive. It serves no purpose than to fuel your already rampant bigotry. The fact that you try to pass it off as debate is pitiful.

Like other cerebrally challenged bigots, you resort to insult and abuse when cornered ... or even disagreed with. Because you have nothing other than your prejudice and your vitriol to support you. You are without foundation because your foundation is built almost exclusively on bigotted lies.

You're an idiot Soren. It's actually pretty funny that you should question anybody else's intelligence when you are so evidently wanting in the department. Still, s'nice isn't it? That somone as objectionable as you can bring some mirth to others.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 9:55pm
He aims to please, Mother.The old boy brings much joy to many.

As do you. Your last post is piercingly insightful.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 18th, 2015 at 9:59pm
I can't be the only one who notices that all you have is emotional incontinence and its attendant loaded words - but no actual argument.

Islamism IS a prtoblem around the world and it is not because of my view of Islam.

It is the other way around - my view of Islam is based on the evident problem that is Islam in the world today.

You will notice  - even if only because I rub your nose in it - that neither I nor the other 'Islamophobes' have nearly as much to say about nazis, commies, KKK an all the rest as we do about Islamists.

The reason is that the nazis, commies, KKK have been dispatched and it is now Islam that is taking their lace as the resident menace to freedom and peace - see Pakiland, Afghanistan, Labia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, ISIS sympathisers in Sydney, Ottawa, NYC, London, Paris and on and on.


Tell us this - is there no problem with Islam today?

A hint - the CIA, ASIS, MI6 are not looking for German speakers but Arabic speakers. Guess why?


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by mothra on May 18th, 2015 at 10:26pm

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:59pm:
I can't be the only one who notices that all you have is emotional incontinence and its attendant loaded words - but no actual argument.

Islamism IS a prtoblem around the world and it is not because of my view of Islam.

It is the other way around - my view of Islam is based on the evident problem that is Islam in the world today.

You will notice  - even if only because I rub your nose in it - that neither I nor the other 'Islamophobes' have nearly as much to say about nazis, commies, KKK an all the rest as we do about Islamists.

The reason is that the nazis, commies, KKK have been dispatched and it is now Islam that is taking their lace as the resident menace to freedom and peace - see Pakiland, Afghanistan, Labia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, ISIS sympathisers in Sydney, Ottawa, NYC, London, Paris and on and on.


Tell us this - is there no problem with Islam today?

A hint - the CIA, ASIS, MI6 are not looking for German speakers but Arabic speakers. Guess why?


It doesn't matter how many times it's explained to you Soren ... and it has been explained by more than a couple of us over the last 10 pages or so, repeatedly, and i just explained it again ... you seem utterly incapable of grasping the very simple concept that constructive debate about whatever problems are or are not inherent, associated or secondary to Islam cannot be addressed intelligently if the basis of discussion is lies.

Or sensationalism.

Or pushing an already existent agenda.

Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? It's not at all difficult.

I do not happen to agree with you that the next scourge of humanity is Islam. I happen to think that Islam is just another religion, with all of the associated good things and bad things about an organised religion. I think it has it's flaws and i think that too many people are using a very old book to justify bad behaviour. As is the case with others who have very old books they care too much about.

I think the scourge of humanity is extremism. US extremism; North Korean extremism; Muslim extremism; Christian extremism; Jewish extremism; and all of the other extremisms out there causing people to behave very badly indeed.

You are useless at discussing such matters with. You only have one opinion and it's shortsighted and very, very boring. To engage you in discussion, one already needs to talk you down from the edge. It's not reasoned. It's not rational. It's not constructive.

Do you understand now?



Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2015 at 11:27pm
Now now, Mother, do try not to offend the old boy so. He does have rights, you know.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 19th, 2015 at 11:14am

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.



Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.


That is the nature of the Padowyn.  He will be obtuse until backed into a corner from which he cannot escape and then come out with the most stupid answers to save his own skin!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2015 at 12:36pm

|dev|null wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 11:14am:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.



Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.


That is the nature of the Padowyn.  He will be obtuse until backed into a corner from which he cannot escape and then come out with the most stupid answers to save his own skin!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Squishy, spineless, evasive, arse-covering, bedwetting, yeah-but-no-but stupidity and mendacity. The old boy has a term for it:

Intelligence and integrity.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 19th, 2015 at 12:36pm
AN ANTI-Islamic group has warned it will stage more angry protests on the streets of Maroochydore following the Muslim community's lodgement of an application to create a place of worship.

Yes, I am sure you're against Terrorism, Islamist Terrorism, right?   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

French Mayor Says Islam Will Be Banned in France by 2027.  Yeah, I can really see that, too...

Former congressional candidate planned to 'utterly destroy' Muslim community in gun assault.  Yep, more Terrorism...

Burma’s boatpeople ‘faced choice of annihilation or risking their lives at sea’

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 19th, 2015 at 5:41pm

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:26pm:
I think the scourge of humanity is extremism. US extremism; North Korean extremism; Muslim extremism; Christian extremism; Jewish extremism; and all of the other extremisms out there causing people to behave very badly indeed.



The reason why none of these can be properly addressed is that people like you refuse, absolutely refuse, to distinguish between them, to identify the particular issues around each, to name the particular pathologies and the particular possible answers. Your congenital, reflex lapse into equivalences is the problem and this is why maladies are allowed to fester and get worse - you will simply not hear of distinguishing between things because all you hear is "discrimination".

And so I will continue to regard you and others like you as obviously and wilfully stupid because you insist on failing the firts test of intelligence: an ability to discern differences. But you numpties are hellbent on erasing any possibility of discernment and on upholding  the Holy Writ of Non-Discrimination (because the first thing you cannot discern is the difference between discernment and discrimination).







Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2015 at 8:29pm
Discernment and discrimination: the old boy’s way of saying, "I don’t like it".

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 19th, 2015 at 9:37pm

Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 11:14am:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.



Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.


That is the nature of the Padowyn.  He will be obtuse until backed into a corner from which he cannot escape and then come out with the most stupid answers to save his own skin!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Squishy, spineless, evasive, arse-covering, bedwetting, yeah-but-no-but stupidity and mendacity. The old boy has a term for it:

Intelligence and integrity.

Thank you, PBriscilla, ya clapped out old queer.


Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 19th, 2015 at 11:12pm
Wait until.Sister goes off shift, old chap.

You can thank me during bed-check.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Hot Breath on May 29th, 2015 at 11:18am
ISIL increases Islamophobia after 9/11 attacks

Why Nobel Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi Is Unlikely To Heed The Dalai Lama’s Pleas To Help Rohingya Muslims

Hijab Ban Encourages Bias: French Muslims

This Week In The Laboratories Of Democracy

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Karnal on May 29th, 2015 at 11:42am

Soren wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:37pm:

Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 11:14am:

mothra wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 9:01pm:
Sometimes an answer is just an answer.



Yep. Rather anti-climactic, all in all.


That is the nature of the Padowyn.  He will be obtuse until backed into a corner from which he cannot escape and then come out with the most stupid answers to save his own skin!   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


Squishy, spineless, evasive, arse-covering, bedwetting, yeah-but-no-but stupidity and mendacity. The old boy has a term for it:

Intelligence and integrity.

Thank you, PBriscilla, ya clapped out old queer.


Thanks, dear boy, and do you know? I do not have the right not to not be offended.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Soren on May 31st, 2015 at 2:09pm

|dev|null wrote on May 29th, 2015 at 11:18am:
ISIL increases Islamophobia after 9/11 attacks

Why Nobel Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi Is Unlikely To Heed The Dalai Lama’s Pleas To Help Rohingya Muslims

Hijab Ban Encourages Bias: French Muslims

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Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:19pm
Anti-Islamic protest in Queensland after mosque approval   ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by double plus good on Jun 27th, 2015 at 7:25pm
AUSTRALIANS HAVE FLOCKED to the streets of Lakemba to protest after City of Canterbury Council approved plans to build a Catholic Young Men’s Society club in the predominantly Islamic suburb.

There were ugly scenes outside the council offices before the meeting with more than a dozen police officers on hand to keep protesters in check.

Despite strong community protest from some residents, Canterbury City Council voted in favour of the Catholic community centre in Lakemba 8 votes to 5.

A Catholic church was recently approved in the area this month to serve the region’s growing Christian community.

Locals have expressed their seething anger at the Council, saying that they don’t want Catholics living in their suburb.

“I don’t want these wine-sipping child-molesting sickos living near me or my family,” says one Haldon Street business owner.

“Catholics fail to assimilate in to other cultures. They form ghettos and build their own clubs like this f**king CYMS bulls**t.”

Saint Patrick’s Welfare Association Inc secretary Paul-Martin O’Leary addressed the council meeting on behalf of the applicants said he was disappointed to see the scenes outside upon arriving.

“I was sad that when I arrived here tonight to see what I did outside,” Mr O’Leary said.

“Catholic people are doctors, nurses, engineers, they work in the public and private sectors,”

“Please do consider that we don’t want to disturb your way of life. This Catholic hall is a multicultural example of Australia,”

“This country is our home, and we’re exactly like you.”

The Catholic Young Men’s Society on Haldon Street is expected to be constructed in two stages with the first stage of the development including the construction of 400sq m hall that will include a kitchen, toilets and other amenities.

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by Brian Ross on Jun 28th, 2015 at 3:53pm
Anti-Islam group protests outside ABC building over Zaky Mallah's Q&A appearance    ::)

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by double plus good on Jun 28th, 2015 at 4:48pm
Those darn neatly dressed, well spoken Australians protesting against the leftist craze of betraying your countrymen. How dare they?

Title: Re: More Islamophobic attacks?
Post by |dev|null on Jul 31st, 2015 at 1:56pm
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