http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html

The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

The GP co-payment will fund them but the tyrants in the unrepresentative house are blocking it.

No, those payments—which don’t fund Medicare—will go to Big Pharma not the universities.

Try reading the link next time.

Well there you go Georgie.  The pimply scientists can get jobs with big pharmas.

What's the problem?

You've debunked your own OP  ;D

Oh dear. There is pure science (Unies) and applied science—industry.

Better do some reading Swaggie. Life is more than just slogans.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil!

and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

Another personal insult by Longy.

Just make a proviso that an experienced scientist must use a % of the grant to hire an inexperienced scientist to have a roll.

That way the inexperienced get some money and most of all, experience. Then they will be experienced scientists who get grants.

Pretty sure we would have to put a little extra in the grant, but it would be money well spent, but im not talking a whole lot more.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

Sounds like a plan, plus make more money available and ditch Payne’s stupid idea re Uni prices.

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science.

Doubt it.  People who are likely to study STEM fields will still study them, it's the slackers studying useless fields to avoid getting a job who will opt out.

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

Successful = experienced.

the aging of our scientist population is a real problem, especially with this anti–science govt we have.

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

I work sometimes with researchers.  they best person gets the money.  seems the reasonable way to get the best outcomes.

I really wish Perceptions Now would stop willy nilly moving of posts all the time! At least give notice or ask!

Who wants to deregulate Uni fees? Christopher bloody Pyne so this thread was fine in PolSuck.

When course fees go way up with deregulation daddy’s little boy will study law or business, they don’t tend to study science (maybe medicine but not pure science.) Those on lower incomes who would have done science will be frozen out of Uni due to the deregulation of fees and the higher HECS interest rate. Far fewer females will study too.

With the aging of our scientific population this is going to be a real problem and soon.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 11:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one.

and imagine being the first party not to have a science minister since 1931. That's even more evil !!

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 8:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation.

then she'd better get into research into cleaning up coal because there won't be any money for anything else if the libbos get their way :(

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:01pm:

I really wish Perceptions Now would stop willy nilly moving of posts all the time! At least give notice or ask! Who wants to deregulate Uni fees? Christopher bloody Pyne so this thread was fine in PolSuck. When course fees go way up with deregulation daddy’s little boy will study law or business, they don’t tend to study science (maybe medicine but not pure science.) Those on lower incomes who would have done science will be frozen out of Uni due to the deregulation of fees and the higher HECS interest rate. Far fewer females will study too. With the aging of our scientific population this is going to be a real problem and soon.

they should deregulate law and open it up to foreign competition. These bottom feeder lawyers have had it to good for to long.

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. and imagine being the first party not to have a science minister since 1931. That's even more evil !!

Not when science since climate science has moved to being on the political scale instead of the science scale. Abbott is rightfully putting them in their place and making them have a hard overdue look at themselves.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 1:05pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. and imagine being the first party not to have a science minister since 1931. That's even more evil !! Not when science since climate science has moved to being on the political scale instead of the science scale. Abbott is rightfully putting them in their place and making them have a hard overdue look at themselves.

The scientists themselves are just presenting their findings, it's the right wingers who have made science into a political football just because scientific facts don't happen to agree with their ideology. Now they are busy vilifying scientists.

But then right wingers never have been too bright

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 1:08pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation. then she'd better get into research into cleaning up coal because there won't be any money for anything else if the libbos get their way :(

Don't think research into "cleaning up coal" is conducted.

She is quite satisfied with her work with genetic mapping to help find a cure for many diseases including many types of cancer.

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 3:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 1:08pm: George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation. then she'd better get into research into cleaning up coal because there won't be any money for anything else if the libbos get their way :( Don't think research into "cleaning up coal" is conducted. She is quite satisfied with her work with genetic mapping to help find a cure for many diseases including many types of cancer.

can she find a cure for what is ailing toenail???  is there a cure for being an angry gay because buzz needs that very desperately.

You don't need to be scientist to dig humungous holes in the ground in a FIFO job.

Goodbye future scientists. There is no future for you in Australia unless you specialize in hate propaganda against muslims or in studying new ways to kill muslims.

Dear scientists get an air ticket and visa to a country with complex industrialization that values scientific talent..

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research.

This is the case in every department. The more experienced and the more publications an academic has, the higher the change of receiving a grant. Young academics are still finding their feet and therefore it wouldn't be the wisest decision to give them money.


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On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen!

Those who are keen to study science will make the commitment. Those who do it to fill in time before they become a service station attendant with have to think again before they rack up a debt.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 9:34pm:

You don't need to be scientist to dig humungous holes in the ground in a FIFO job. Goodbye future scientists. There is no future for you in Australia unless you specialize in hate propaganda against muslims or in studying new ways to kill muslims. Dear scientists get an air ticket and visa to a country with complex industrialization that values scientific talent..

you most certainly do.  maybe you dug holes in the sand at the beach when you were a child and think that is all that is involved.

ever heard of groundwater?  Collapses, reinforcing etc?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2014 at 7:36pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 3:51pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 1:08pm: George_Orhell wrote on Sep 21st, 2014 at 8:47am: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 11:10pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 20th, 2014 at 10:15pm: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/ageing-of-australias-scientists-creating-a-void-in-nations-future-research-workforce-20140919-10j714.html The way grants are awarded favors older scientists who have already published research papers causes problems for younger scientists and they tend to leave science. Lack of funds available for medical etc etc research. On top of this—deregulating Uni fees will see less students electing to study science. But money can be found for chaplains in schools, what a spavined country to let this crap happen! imagine giving grants to our best scientists who happen to have lots of experience.  how evil! and George has never been any closer to a uni that driving past one. My daughter is a research scientist, and usually grants are awarded to successful researchers for research into any area which is relevant to the awarding organisation. then she'd better get into research into cleaning up coal because there won't be any money for anything else if the libbos get their way :( Don't think research into "cleaning up coal" is conducted. She is quite satisfied with her work with genetic mapping to help find a cure for many diseases including many types of cancer. can she find a cure for what is ailing toenail???  is there a cure for being an angry gay because buzz needs that very desperately.

Personality disorders are more of a psychiatric complaint.

Why aren't they studying anti-ageing?