The root causes of 'alienation' of moslems.....

In the wake of the shooting of a moslem man who stabbed two police officers in Victoria, a spokesman for the Islamic Council of Victoria has released a statement which implies blame upon the Australian community for the 'alienation' of some members of moslem community in Australia.



Quote:

Melbourne shooting: Man who made threats against PM shot dead after stabbing counter terrorism officers outside Endeavour Hills police station ..... ..... Islamic council calls for investigation .... ....The council said the incident highlighted the consequences of the Government's failure to address the root causes of disaffection. "The tragedy highlights the real cost of a failure to deal with these serious issues and why we have made numerous calls on the Australian Government to deal with the root causes of alienation and disaffection of people such as this," the statement said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/one-person-shot-dead-two-stabbed-endeavour-hills/5764408



Blaming non-moslems, and blaming a non-moslem host society, for the 'alienation' of moslems [and for moslem hostility towards the wider Australian community], IS A FRAUD AND IT IS A DECEITFUL SLANDER.

AND, MOSLEMS KNOW THAT THEY [AND THEIR COMMUNITY] ARE COMMITTING THIS FRAUD AND THIS DECEITFUL SLANDER, AGAINST AUSTRALIANS!


THE TRUTH IS THAT;
The root cause of 'alienation' of moslems [from the wider Australian community], is the influence which ISLAM itself has, upon the moslem individual [AND also, the influence which the moslem community itself has, upon individual moslems].

The root cause of 'alienation' of a moslem, is the fact that the moslem belongs to a philosophy [ISLAM] and a community [the moslem community] which teaches every member of that group of people, from childhood, to hold every non ISLAMIC influence, and every non-moslem person, in contempt and to have hatred for them, AND, which encourages the moslem to embrace a [separate] legal system [Sharia law] which teaches that 'opportunistic' violence against non-moslems is actually 'righteous' and 'lawful'.

The root cause of 'alienation' of the moslem, and for moslem hostility towards the wider Australian community, IS THAT THE MOSLEM 'CHILD', IS BEING IMMERSED IN THE TEACHINGS OF
THE KORAN AND
THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED, AND
THE INFLUENCE COMING FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY.




There is an ISLAMIC source, for every expression of moslem hostility towards the wider Australian community.

FOR EXAMPLE;

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110


ISLAM teaches moslems that disbelievers are the agents of SATAN, and should be killed....

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

i.e. What Koran 5.51 is tating, is any moslem who makes sincere friendships with 'disbelievers',
1/ is an disbeliever,
2/ becomes an 'apostate'/rebel, and
3/ is worthy of death, at the hand of good moslems!


"O ye who believe! Take not - MY ENEMIES - and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

ISLAM - A CULTURE OF A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY


And there is ample evidence to demonstrate that many, many moslems who are living in Australia are committed to Jihad [Jihad = = religious fighting, in Allah's cause] against non-moslems....




Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

.....written by Mohamed Elomar, an Australian moslem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supporting-terrorism-whilst-Australian-husband-fights-Syria-member-brutal-militant-group.html





Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam... ...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-country-is-god-forsaken-and-that-muslims-must-shun-secular-a.html


And the evidence which shows a moslem malice towards non-moslems, just on, and on, and on, and on, and on.





QUESTION;
When are these people [the moslem community in Australia] going to experience the LAWFUL consequence of breaking our laws, and of conspiring to break our laws ?

[Sheik Hilali and Carnita Matthews are two names that come to mind.]

And of belonging to a lying, deceitful philosophy [ISLAM], which encourages political and religious violence against those who do not believe as they believe ?

How long are the authorities in Australia going to allow the members of this 'community' [ISLAM], to continue to work [subversively] to usurp and to undermine and to work to destroy Australian society, and to work to destroy the values of freedom and truth, and to work to destroy respect for law [in Australia] - values which Australians have struggled for, and values which many Australians have made painful sacrifices to secure and to defend ?

Where are the charges of treason, and where are the charges of sedition, against many members of the moslem community who are engaged in a widespread conspiracy of lying to Australians [of lying to the Australian community] when they [moslems] claim to bear no ill will, to Australia, its people, and its governing authorities ?


???

ISLAM - A CULTURE OF A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY



Watch these sentiments,      that are described in my 1st post, come out of the lips of a UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




MORE.....

By implication, Sudanese Cleric Al-Jazouli [a supporter of ISIS] declares in the YOUTUBE presentation [below]:
That it is lawful for the moslem to kill, for example, Australian civilians - men, women, and children.
It is Jihad.

Sudanese Cleric Al-Jazouli [a supporter of ISIS] declares in the YOUTUBE presentation [below]:
America is fighting us [ISLAM].
Therefore the moslem lawfully can, and should, target America, and the people of every nation that has allied with it.


[recorded 20-July-2014]
Sudanese Cleric Al-Jazouli:
"In its war with the infidels, ISLAM recognises no distinction between regular armies and civilians.....Thus, killing their woman and children is permitted. [by authority of Allah's messenger - Mohammed]
America is fighting [ISLAM] and there are countries that are allied with it [America]. [the moslem can and should, target America, and every nation that has allied with it. I guess that means it is lawful for the moslem to kill Australians too.]"
...and he goes on, there are lotsa virgins in Allah's paradise waiting for you, etc, etc.

Sudanese Cleric Al-Jazouli: Islam Permits Killing American Women and Children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_D9E1vutY


MORE.....




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Use children as troops, says cleric January 18, 2007 SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah. Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas. .........Sheik Feiz says in the video. "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque. ......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims). "Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt." ......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest. He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php


"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad,"
Aussie, Sheik Feiz Mohammed


Google;
jihad - is the pinnacle of islam


Google;
Jihad operations


MURDEROUS 'JIHAD OPERATIONS' ARE VIRTUOUS GOOD WORKS.

HOW CAN WE DOUBT IT ?           :P

KILLING INFIDELS - IS A HIGH IDEAL FOR THE MOSLEM, THAT IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES TO THE MOSLEM





"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Yadda I realise you put a great effort into your posts but I find them too complicated to read.

Sorry!

Perhaps you should try the KISS principle occasionaly

:)

ISLAM - A CULTURE OF A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY

THE KORAN glorifies hostility and violence towards non-moslems!!!!!;



"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196








Blaming non-moslems, and blaming a non-moslem host society, for the 'alienation' of moslems [and for moslem hostility towards the wider Australian community], IS A FRAUD AND IT IS A DECEITFUL SLANDER.

AND, MOSLEMS KNOW THAT THEY [AND THEIR COMMUNITY] ARE COMMITTING THIS FRAUD AND THIS DECEITFUL SLANDER, AGAINST AUSTRALIANS!





ISLAM - blames the victims of moslem hostility and hatred.

ISLAM - portrays moslems as the victims of - the consequence of - moslem hostility and hatred.




" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

Moslems lying to, and deceiving 'disbelievers', is the 'soft' component of the moslem Jihad [religious fighting against 'disbelievers'].

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:20am:

Yadda I realise you put a great effort into your posts but I find them too complicated to read. Sorry! Perhaps you should try the KISS principle occasionaly :)

Redneck,

Thanks.



I want to provide proofs that support my opinion,       not just state my opinion.

Yes, it takes space, and, taking in all of the information can become confusing/overwhelming.

There is a lot of information.

And mostly, no-one is listening, no-one is interested - in what is true.

islam is the root cause of alienation of muslims.

islam is the root cause of terrorism.

Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

[And mostly, no-one is listening, no-one is interested

Oh no, Y - we're listening.

We're here for you. If you have something to tell me, please write it down.

That's what friends are for.

Try one paragraph with one link Yadda and I promise I will read it!

Small amounts of info at a time are more likely to be read is my theory!

Less is more!

.

Causing the problem

and playing victim to the problem they caused


OLD

OLD

OLD

ploy



The muslims' closest links, that 'other' insane cult which forbids mention of its name and is destroying the world in order to usher in its messiah who refuses to answer their summons -- plays and always has played, the same game


Check their religious teachings, particularly pertaining to paedophilia and denigration of females, and they're both from the same sick minds

Check the Talmud

Check Islam and particulary the Little Green Book written by Ayatollah Khomeini

Then read the memoirs of Israel's first PM, Ben Gurion, where he STATES that Palestinians 'are the real descendants of the regions true jews' -- meaning jews who gave up on trying to force their messiah to appear and wandered off into the desert, only to emerge hundreds of years later as muslims with their new religion (which bears so much resemblance to the old) Islam

In short, Ben Gurion and his Zionist cohorts FULLY understood and acknowledged that muslims were once jews

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

islam is the root cause of terrorism.

For those of you who said that Sprint couldn't get any sillier, I present exhibit A:

"islam is the root cause of terrorism"

Let's see somebody top that.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

. Causing the problem and playing victim to the problem they caused OLD OLD OLD ploy The muslims' closest links, that 'other' insane cult which forbids mention of its name and is destroying the world in order to usher in its messiah who refuses to answer their summons -- plays and always has played, the same game Check their religious teachings, particularly pertaining to paedophilia and denigration of females, and they're both from the same sick minds Check the Talmud Check Islam and particulary the Little Green Book written by Ayatollah Khomeini Then read the memoirs of Israel's first PM, Ben Gurion, where he STATES that Palestinians 'are the real descendants of the regions true jews' -- meaning jews who gave up on trying to force their messiah to appear and wandered off into the desert, only to emerge hundreds of years later as muslims with their new religion (which bears so much resemblance to the old) Islam In short, Ben Gurion and his Zionist cohorts FULLY understood and acknowledged that muslims were once jews

PZ547,

I thought that the Little Green Book was a product of Muammar Gaddafi ???


and playing the Talmud card, by those who hate the Jewis people is an....

OLD

OLD

OLD

ploy





Talmud is the creation, inspired by, and the product of men.



Torah [and Tanakh] is the true guide, to the Jewish person, imo.

And reputedly, Torah was inspired by God's spirit.

What do you think PZ547 ?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24th, 2014 at 9:41am: islam is the root cause of terrorism. For those of you who said that Sprint couldn't get any sillier, I present exhibit A: "islam is the root cause of terrorism" Let's see somebody top that.

ISLAM is the root cause of ISLAMIC terrorism,       and ISLAM is the root cause [the 'inspiration'] of ISLAMIC [i.e. moslem] violence towards those who are not moslems.

Only an idiot would deny that proposition.

Eh, greg ?






Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians" - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg


as per......


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29





Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

Yadda wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 9:11am:

The root causes of 'alienation' of moslems..... In the wake of the shooting of a moslem man who stabbed two police officers in Victoria, a spokesman for the Islamic Council of Victoria has released a statement which implies blame upon the Australian community for the 'alienation' of some members of moslem community in Australia. Quote: Melbourne shooting: Man who made threats against PM shot dead after stabbing counter terrorism officers outside Endeavour Hills police station ..... ..... Islamic council calls for investigation .... ....The council said the incident highlighted the consequences of the Government's failure to address the root causes of disaffection. "The tragedy highlights the real cost of a failure to deal with these serious issues and why we have made numerous calls on the Australian Government to deal with the root causes of alienation and disaffection of people such as this," the statement said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/one-person-shot-dead-two-stabbed-endeavour-hills/5764408 Blaming non-moslems, and blaming a non-moslem host society, for the 'alienation' of moslems [and for moslem hostility towards the wider Australian community], [b]IS A FRAUD AND IT IS A DECEITFUL SLANDER.

If muslims  claim alienation to justify their behaviour does that mean people Like Brevik can also claim alienation to justify what he did, or does this alienation crap only apply to muslims?

I have only ever seen this argument applied to Muslims. We all know the cliches - he was a quiet man, kept to himself, liked his cats etc - but this has never been used to blame society for head hacking nutjobs.

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:10pm:

....I have only ever seen this argument applied to Muslims. We all know the cliches - he was a quiet man, kept to himself, liked his cats etc - but this has never been used to blame society for head hacking nutjobs.

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.......I have only ever seen this argument applied to Muslims. ......

true.
Short women, fat men or red headed boys are not alienated.
Gamers, wiccans or bridge players are not alienated.
Cyclists, AFL players or women who knit are not alienated.

muslims, muslims or muslims, self alientate themselves.

I hate muslims.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

I hate muslims.

Yes, we know, Sprint, we know.  You don't have to keep repeating your message of self-loathing.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:41pm: I hate muslims. Yes, we know, Sprint, we know.  You don't have to keep repeating your message of self-loathing.   ::)

Sprint is not a muslim, Brain. You are.
Certainly more of a muslim than Sprint.

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:41pm: I hate muslims. Yes, we know, Sprint, we know.  You don't have to keep repeating your message of self-loathing.   ::) Sprint is not a muslim, Brain. You are.

Am I?  And on what basis do you make that accusation, apart from your prejudice against Muslims and anybody who dares to sympathise with them?   ::)


Quote:

Certainly more of a muslim than Sprint.

Nope, no I'm not.  I now know the truth about Sprint.  ;)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 6:38pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:41pm: I hate muslims. Yes, we know, Sprint, we know.  You don't have to keep repeating your message of self-loathing.   ::) Sprint is not a muslim, Brain. You are. Am I?  And on what basis do you make that accusation, apart from your prejudice against Muslims and anybody who dares to sympathise with them?   ::)

You don’t sympathise with them. If you did you would wish for their integration into modern society and for the shedding of all the anachronistic, oppressive, inhuman rules they submit to. Instead you want them to remain in their mind-forged shackles by constantly excusing those oppressive dogmas and sympathising with everyone who defends them.

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

You don’t sympathise with them. If you did you would wish for their integration into modern society and for the shedding of all the anachronistic, oppressive, inhuman rules they submit to. Instead you want them to remain in their mind-forged shackles by constantly excusing those oppressive dogmas and sympathising with everyone who defends them.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia do "integrate" - on their terms.

As a trick-cyclist you must know the old joke about, "How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?  One but the light bulb really has to want to change!"  ;D

You can't demand that people change.  It doesn't work.   You should realise that by now, how long have you supposedly been a practising trick-cyclist?

Muslims are integrating on their own terms.  Despite what you keep claiming, they are changing and each successive generation will become more assimilated.  Indeed, assimilation is a two way street.  Australian society will, despite your attempts to hold it back, accept Muslim Australians on their own terms.

You really need to chill more, Soren.  The more and more I read from you, the increasingly obvious point is that you know absolutely bugger all about Islam, Muslims and modern Australian society.   I was at TAFE the other day picking up my daughter.  She was laughing and sharing a joke with several Muslim women in her classes.   They don't want to cut peoples' heads off. they just want to be left alone to get on with their lives as they see fit, without you telling them how they must live their lives.

This is why you'd fit in so well with your fellow Madrassah graduates, Soren.  Do you remember what the definition of a puritan is?  "Someone who is upset that someone, somewhere is having a good time."   You and your ilk are the primary barrier to the acceptance of Muslims.   You want to dictate to them and us how we must live our lives, Soren.   You're a sick, sad little man at heart.     ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 7:17pm: You don’t sympathise with them. If you did you would wish for their integration into modern society and for the shedding of all the anachronistic, oppressive, inhuman rules they submit to. Instead you want them to remain in their mind-forged shackles by constantly excusing those oppressive dogmas and sympathising with everyone who defends them. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia do "integrate" - on their terms. As a trick-cyclist you must know the old joke about, "How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?  One but the light bulb really has to want to change!"  ;D You can't demand that people change.  It doesn't work.   You should realise that by now, how long have you supposedly been a practising trick-cyclist? Muslims are integrating on their own terms.  Despite what you keep claiming, they are changing and each successive generation will become more assimilated.  Indeed, assimilation is a two way street.  Australian society will, despite your attempts to hold it back, accept Muslim Australians on their own terms. You really need to chill more, Soren.  The more and more I read from you, the increasingly obvious point is that you know absolutely bugger all about Islam, Muslims and modern Australian society.   I was at TAFE the other day picking up my daughter.  She was laughing and sharing a joke with several Muslim women in her classes.   They don't want to cut peoples' heads off. they just want to be left alone to get on with their lives as they see fit, without you telling them how they must live their lives. This is why you'd fit in so well with your fellow Madrassah graduates, Soren.  Do you remember what the definition of a puritan is?  "Someone who is upset that someone, somewhere is having a good time."   You and your ilk are the primary barrier to the acceptance of Muslims.   You want to dictate to them and us how we must live our lives, Soren.   You're a sick, sad little man at heart.     ::)

Quote:

........Muslims are integrating on their own terms....

no they are not.
they have created ghettos, send child brides off to be married and stab police.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 7:26pm: ........Muslims are integrating on their own terms.... no they are not. they have created ghettos, send child brides off to be married and stab police.

Do the majority do that, Sprint?   ::)

Brian obviously has never been to south west Sydney!
:D :D :D :D

mrkamikaze wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Brian obviously has never been to south west Sydney! :D :D :D :D

Actually, I have, several times.

Why do you assume that "south west Sydney" is typical of the rest of the Muslims in Australia?

Why do you assume anything about Sydney is typical of rest of Australia?     ::) ::)

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Muslims are integrating on their own terms.  Despite what you keep claiming, they are changing and each successive generation will become more assimilated.  Indeed, assimilation is a two way street.  Australian society will, despite your attempts to hold it back, accept Muslim Australians on their own terms.

They get to decide that do they? On their own terms? Nobody gives an EFF about Islam or mosques or anything else. But when one tiny group, overpopulates the jails, overpopulates the gang rape statistics, overpopulates the terror plots - over represented as a group in every statistic dealing violence and anti-social behaviour - people go, you know what, we are really really sick of these people doing the same things over and over again. And we have a responsibility to the rest of society, the overwhelming people who are not muslims, to protect them from being victimised.

Where are the Jewish rape gangs? The Buddhist rape gangs? The same group, muslims are over represented in every type of crime against society. And everyone is tired of hearing about the cries of victimhood from Islam - perpetual whingers who never shut up about how they are mistreated. The rest of society is mistreated by Islam, when EVERY politician rushes to defend and protect them.

Something like 80% of the entire muslim population of Australia lives in 5 suburbs of south-west sydney. And these suburbs are crime ridden cesspits where shootings, knifings, protection rackets, threats intimidation are regular occurences.

Is this the Multiculti Paradise? Feel the Cultural Enrichment brought about by the Sydney Occupied Territories.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

Muslims are integrating on their own terms.  Despite what you keep claiming, they are changing and each successive generation will become more assimilated.  Indeed, assimilation is a two way street.  Australian society will, despite your attempts to hold it back, accept Muslim Australians on their own terms. You really need to chill more, Soren.  The more and more I read from you, the increasingly obvious point is that you know absolutely bugger all about Islam, Muslims and modern Australian society.   I was at TAFE the other day picking up my daughter.  She was laughing and sharing a joke with several Muslim women in her classes.   They don't want to cut peoples' heads off. they just want to be left alone to get on with their lives as they see fit, without you telling them how they must live their lives. This is why you'd fit in so well with your fellow Madrassah graduates, Soren.  Do you remember what the definition of a puritan is?  "Someone who is upset that someone, somewhere is having a good time."   You and your ilk are the primary barrier to the acceptance of Muslims.   You want to dictate to them and us how we must live our lives, Soren.   You're a sick, sad little man at heart.     ::)

The second and third generation are going off to fight with ISIL. the second and third generation don the niqab  - you didn’t see these hidious things in the 70s, 80s and 90s. The second and third generation rioted in Sydney, they make up Hizb ul tahrir and are under surveillance and get arrested, they make up the bulk of the disproportionately large muslim prisoner population - not the old timers smoking and chatting in cafes. As muslim numbers grow there are more and more who resist assimilation and are openly and actively hostile to this country.
There is no other migrant group that is becoming more separationist with each generation.

And using your daughter as an example of how girls can chat and laugh together at TAFE is really lame. Do you expect that to counter anything in the Koran, hadiths and Islamic history.

As for your last paragraph on my madrassa and putitanism - you are just lost in emotional incontinence. Islam, its teachings and history, and the behaviour of Muslims around the world is the greatest barrier to the acceptance of openly Islamic people. I am not preventing or blocking anything. Look at you - you couldn’t bend over any more even if you wated to. But most people are not like you.  Most people have a sense of proportion and can see for themselves.

Calanen wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 11:20pm:

Quote: Muslims are integrating on their own terms.  Despite what you keep claiming, they are changing and each successive generation will become more assimilated.  Indeed, assimilation is a two way street.  Australian society will, despite your attempts to hold it back, accept Muslim Australians on their own terms. They get to decide that do they? On their own terms?

Yes.  In exactly the same way every other immigrant group from the time the first English stepped ashore in Botany Bay.  Do you think they listen to Indigenous demands that they conform to the Indigenes' way of life and belief system?   ::)


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Nobody gives an EFF about Islam or mosques or anything else.

I wish that was the way but people like yourself and Soren and Sprint and Freediver and...and...and... keep persecuting them, it's obvious you do give an "EFF" and you won't let them forget it.    ::)


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But when one tiny group, overpopulates the jails, overpopulates the gang rape statistics, overpopulates the terror plots - over represented as a group in every statistic dealing violence and anti-social behaviour - people go, you know what, we are really really sick of these people doing the same things over and over again. And we have a responsibility to the rest of society, the overwhelming people who are not muslims, to protect them from being victimised.

Yet, they don't.  That is the public perception spread by people such as yourself or Soren, et al. who feed off the MSM's poor portrayal of Muslims.  I've known many Muslims over the last 30 years and none of them have been criminals or Terrorists or decapitators or oppressive to women or committed gang rape or undertaken any crime.   It makes me wonder whether any of you have ever, ever, ever, actually known any Muslims.   ::)


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Where are the Jewish rape gangs? The Buddhist rape gangs? The same group, muslims are over represented in every type of crime against society.

Are they?  You know, the exact same claims were made about the Indochinese, the Yugoslavs, the Greeks, the Italians, the Irish, the Catholics, etc., etc. in our past.   And are they now considered good citizens?  Yes.


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And everyone is tired of hearing about the cries of victimhood from Islam - perpetual whingers who never shut up about how they are mistreated. The rest of society is mistreated by Islam, when EVERY politician rushes to defend and protect them.

As Sir William Deane pointed out, "in a democracy, by definition the rights of the majority don't need protecting," which means of course, those of minorities do and Muslims are a minority in our midst.   A minority that you and others here take great pleasure in persecuting.


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Something like 80% of the entire muslim population of Australia lives in 5 suburbs of south-west sydney. And these suburbs are crime ridden cesspits where shootings, knifings, protection rackets, threats intimidation are regular occurences.

And that is the fault of Islam is it?   ::)


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Is this the Multiculti Paradise? Feel the Cultural Enrichment brought about by the Sydney Occupied Territories.

Perhaps the clue is where they are located?   Few if any problems with Muslims outside of Sydney.  According to you and your ilk, it's the fault of the Muslims.  I reckon its the fault of the Rum Corps government Sydney still has...   ::)

Soren wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 11:30pm:

The second and third generation are going off to fight with ISIL.

What, 50-60 represent the entire second or third generation of Muslims in Australia, Soren?   ::)


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the second and third generation don the niqab  - you didn’t see these hidious things in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Well, actually, you did, if you'd looked but I suspect you were too busy persecuting who?  The Greeks/Italians/Yogoslavs/Indochinese, Soren?    ::)


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The second and third generation rioted in Sydney, they make up Hizb ul tahrir and are under surveillance and get arrested, they make up the bulk of the disproportionately large muslim prisoner population - not the old timers smoking and chatting in cafes. As muslim numbers grow there are more and more who resist assimilation and are openly and actively hostile to this country.

As I've said, they feel alienated and radical Islam preys on them, Soren.  You and your ilk reject them, their parents reject them, they look for acceptance and they find it in radical Islam's ranks.

Out of a matter of interest, were you ever a Boy Scout, Soren?  A member of the School Cadets?  Served in uniform anywhere?  Ever felt the experience of esprit de corps?  Some people put on uniforms.  Some people join church groups.  Its not unusual.


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There is no other migrant group that is becoming more separationist with each generation.

What do you expect if you keep rejecting and persecuting them, Soren?

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Same thing happened in the Balkans.  The Bosnian Muslims were Muslim in name only.  90% of hadn't even seen the inside of a Mosque.  Then the Serbs started persecuting them.  Guess where they found help when the West refused to help them?  Radical Islam and suddenly they were all being called Islamic Extremists...   ::)


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And using your daughter as an example of how girls can chat and laugh together at TAFE is really lame. Do you expect that to counter anything in the Koran, hadiths and Islamic history.

What you seem to not want to realise, Soren is that my daughter is typical of most young Australians.  She doesn't judge people on how they look, she judges them on what they do.  Her classmates don't threaten to decapitate her, they joke and laugh with her.   She accepts them and they accept her.

As I keep pointing out, everything you claim about Muslims has been claimed about virtually every other major immigrant group which was identifiably different in our past.  Today, they are all valued members of our community.  Your rejection of Muslims will pass just as the rejection of those other groups passed.


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As for your last paragraph on my madrassa and putitanism - you are just lost in emotional incontinence. Islam, its teachings and history, and the behaviour of Muslims around the world is the greatest barrier to the acceptance of openly Islamic people. I am not preventing or blocking anything. Look at you - you couldn’t bend over any more even if you wated to. But most people are not like you.  Most people have a sense of proportion and can see for themselves.

See what I mean, Soren?  You want to dictate how others live their lives.  You simply cannot accept that somewhere, someone might be having a good time and accepting Muslims as ordinary human beings.   You really do need help to shake off your Madrassah's teachings.   ::)

[edit]As I keep pointing out, everything you claim about Muslims has been claimed about virtually every other major immigrant group which was identifiably different in our past[/edit]

This is a straw man. Yes I can well remember when Greeks plotted to blow up the MCG or attack an army base in Sydney. Or how about all the Greek gangs of rapists that were convicted. Or how about when Greeks blew up the subway in London or the Twin Towers.

Just because false claims have been made by your imaginary straw man people unspecified, does not mean the claims about Islam are not true. They have no bearing on each other. It is just more Muslim Multiculti Propaganda - to try and say you are like the jews being persecuted by Nazis,more crimes of whinging and victimhood by the champions of complaining. Everyone is sick of muslim whining. STFU. Fix your own communities and stop having them as breeding grounds for antisocial conduct, violence and extremism.

They are true. Muslims are over represented in jails. Muslims are over represented in crimes of violence and sexual assault. And not just here - in France, they are 2/3 of the jail population. 2/3 - 15% of the population is 2/3 of the French justice system.

If you import the Third World, you've become the Third World, and those areas in Sydney are crime ridden cesspits not because of anything we've done. What's this Rum Corps bs, that was 200 effing years ago. And your references to Aborigines is just more deflection tactics, look at you, look at you, you are bad too.

Islam - that's the topic, make your own thread about Aborigines if you want.

Mainstream Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America Condones Stoning Adulterers, and Sharia Supremacism

With regard to the Sharia, specifically, AMJA’s stated purpose is to “clarify the rulings of the sharia which are relevant for those who live in America.” AMJA is well-accepted by the mainstream American Muslim community.  
The Islamic scholars affiliated with this group maintain influential positions in universities, Islamic centers, and mosques throughout the United States. Notwithstanding this mainstream acceptance, includinguncritical endorsement of its annual American conferences to train American imams, AMJA openly sanctions the stoning to death of adulterers, albeit with the “caveat” that the adultery involves intercourse.
AMJA has also issued rulings which sanction the killing of apostates (here), “blasphemers” (including non-Muslims guilty of this “crime”; here), and condone marital rape. Even more ominously, another Arabic-language fatwa from AMJA’s Dr. Salah Al-Sawy leaves open the possibility for offensive jihad against America and the West, as soon as Muslims are strong enough to do so. When asked whether “the Islamic missionary effort in the West … [was] to the point where it could take advantage of offensive jihad,” Al-Sawy ruled:

The Islamic community does not possess the strength to engage in offensive jihad at this time. With our current capabilities, we are aspiring toward defensive jihad, and to improve our position with regards to jurisprudence at this stage. But there is a different discussion for each situation. Allah Almighty knows best.

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2014/09/27/like-ok-beheader-mainstream-assembly-of-muslim-jurists-of-america-condones-stoning-adulterers-and-sharia-supremacism/

Tell your daughter, Brain: stoning for adultery is mainstream Islam. Don’t let her sleepwalk, like you, into a future she doesn’t want.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:13am:

As I've said, they feel alienated and radical Islam preys on them, Soren.  You and your ilk reject them, their parents reject them, they look for acceptance and they find it in radical Islam's ranks.

Poor lambs. People don’accept that they want to express theirmselves through jihad and sharia. Cruel world.


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Out of a matter of interest, were you ever a Boy Scout, Soren?  A member of the School Cadets?  Served in uniform anywhere?  Ever felt the experience of esprit de corps?  Some people put on uniforms.  Some people join church groups.  Its not unusual.

So jihad is like the Scouts or Sunday School.
You are out of your mind.

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:13am: As I've said, they feel alienated and radical Islam preys on them, Soren.  You and your ilk reject them, their parents reject them, they look for acceptance and they find it in radical Islam's ranks. Poor lambs. People don’accept that they want to express theirmselves through jihad and sharia. Cruel world. Quote: Out of a matter of interest, were you ever a Boy Scout, Soren?  A member of the School Cadets?  Served in uniform anywhere?  Ever felt the experience of esprit de corps?  Some people put on uniforms.  Some people join church groups.  Its not unusual. So jihad is like the Scouts or Sunday School. You are out of your mind.

Sunday School, was it?

University of Balogney, eh?

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:13am: As I've said, they feel alienated and radical Islam preys on them, Soren.  You and your ilk reject them, their parents reject them, they look for acceptance and they find it in radical Islam's ranks. Poor lambs. People don’accept that they want to express theirmselves through jihad and sharia. Cruel world.

You're not really a Psychiatrist are you, Soren?  I hope you're not, with attitudes like yours.   ::)


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[quote] Out of a matter of interest, were you ever a Boy Scout, Soren?  A member of the School Cadets?  Served in uniform anywhere?  Ever felt the experience of esprit de corps?  Some people put on uniforms.  Some people join church groups.  Its not unusual.

So jihad is like the Scouts or Sunday School.
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No.  You really are being stupid if you draw that conclusion from what I've said, Soren.

You've never really felt you belonged, to anything, have you?  Never been a part of a group which gives a feeling of belonging?  Do even your Islamophobe pals reject you?   ::)

Is this why you attack Muslims?  Because of their exclusivity?  That they belong to a community you can't be a part of?


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You are out of your mind.

No, but it increasingly appears you are!   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:47am:

Soren wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:13am: As I've said, they feel alienated and radical Islam preys on them, Soren.  You and your ilk reject them, their parents reject them, they look for acceptance and they find it in radical Islam's ranks. Poor lambs. People don’accept that they want to express theirmselves through jihad and sharia. Cruel world. You're not really a Psychiatrist are you, Soren?  I hope you're not, with attitudes like yours.   ::) Quote: [quote] Out of a matter of interest, were you ever a Boy Scout, Soren?  A member of the School Cadets?  Served in uniform anywhere?  Ever felt the experience of esprit de corps?  Some people put on uniforms.  Some people join church groups.  Its not unusual. So jihad is like the Scouts or Sunday School.

No.  You really are being stupid if you draw that conclusion from what I've said, Soren.

You've never really felt you belonged, to anything, have you?  Never been a part of a group which gives a feeling of belonging?  Do even your Islamophobe pals reject you?   ::)

Is this why you attack Muslims?  Because of their exclusivity?  That they belong to a community you can't be a part of?


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You are out of your mind.

No, but it increasingly appears you are!   ::)[/quote]
I draw conclusions from the endless silly innuendos in your questions. You put these stupid questions and talk in inept analogies like being a radicalised muslim is like being a scout or belonging to a church group like sunday school because you have no coherent, evidence-based refutation for anything. You compare current Islamic practices and ideas to what the West abandoned centuries ago. That is just desperate.

Any discussion on the problems of Islam in  Australia MUST centre around south-western Syxney as it has Australia's largest concentration of Muslims. Lack of assimilation, crime, implementation of Sharia, terror threats, language barriers; it's all there.

Muslim victimhood is a myth cultivated by some muslims and by progressives.

On Tuesday, The Age published an opinion piece by Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane that was essentially a fudge. He began by conceding that “all of us are rightly disturbed by the prospect of terrorist acts on Australian soil; counter-terror raids in Sydney and Brisbane, and the shooting of teenager Numan Haider in Melbourne, have highlighted community concern”.Soutphommasane’s reference to the shooting of Haider by Victorian Police failed to mention the evidence that the deceased had wounded and attempted to murder two counter-terrorist policemen.

The Race Discrimination Commissioner also declined to remind The Age readers that Haider’s family had migrated from Afghanistan to ­settle in Australia and that he obtained a good ­education, had a job and a car, and lived in a fine house. Haider was no victim.Soutphommasane went on to argue that “Muslim Australians are entitled to a fair go”. This suggests that they do not get a fair go already. It’s another way of saying that Muslim Australians are victims.

.This led to writer Gabrielle Lord contacting the Australian Human Rights Commission to express her disappointment with the Race Discrimination Commissioner’s comments, which she interpreted as “largely a reprimand to the non-Muslims of Australia”.  Lord’s position is that “rather than chiding non-Muslims for their suspicions, fears (and on occasions bigotry), a Race Relations Commissioner would surely be better advised to address those Muslims in our community who bear a lethal hatred and contempt towards all of us non-Muslims and tell them this will not be tolerated”. 



Just so.

mrkamikaze wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 4:30am:

Any discussion on the problems of Islam in  Australia MUST centre around south-western Syxney as it has Australia's largest concentration of Muslims. Lack of assimilation, crime, implementation of Sharia, terror threats, language barriers; it's all there.

And that those points aren't necessarily true about Muslim populations in other regions of Australia.   Isn't that interesting?    Gee, could it be other factors, other than Islam which drive them?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

Gee, could it other factors, other than Islam which drive them?

Most certainly.

We can start by not pandering to a minority group of would be killers!

We can ban any of them forming in the street shouting KILL THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN A PEADOPHILE PROPHET! Jail all the bastards that do. That's men women and children. If we are able ( not born here ) deport them instead.

We can ask them why don't you wish to assimilate! If they don't want to...........

We offer a one way ticket to ISIS man women and child!!!!!!!!!!

Adamant wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2014 at 8:42pm: Gee, could it other factors, other than Islam which drive them? Most certainly. We can start by not pandering to a minority group of would be killers! We can ban any of them forming in the street shouting KILL THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN A PEADOPHILE PROPHET! Jail all the bastards that do. That's men women and children. If we are able ( not born here ) deport them instead. We can ask them why don't you wish to assimilate! If they don't want to........... We offer a one way ticket to ISIS man women and child!!!!!!!!!!

By all means, Adamant, charge them with incitement to violence.  However, that charge isn't usually considered serious enough to warrant deportation, as much as you might desire it.  I am glad though, that you recognise you cannot deport Australian citizens.  It shows some of my message is finally sinking in.   

Of course, your incitement of Muslims with your deliberate insults to their religious beliefs causing them offence can also be charged under Section 18c of the Commonwealth Racial Discrimination Act.  However, I'm sure you're aware that, though, aren't you?   ::)

Of course muslims don't insult anyone else with the teachings of pure hate espoused by islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, do they?

It beggars belief how muslims are such a backward, inbred, illiterate bunch of psychopathic homicidal maniacs, if their cult, god, prophet and holy writings, are the epitome of spiritual enlightenment, as muslims and their apologists keep telling us.