they sicken me.

the problem is the cult islam.


Quote:

MUSLIM leaders have called for a full investigation into the fatal shooting of a teenage Muslim man after he stabbed two counter-terrorism officers in Melbourne last night. The 18-year-old Narre Warren man, who was shot dead outside Endeavour Hills police station, was a “known terror suspect”, Justice Minister Michael Keenan said this morning. The AFP officer was stabbed a number of times, and the Victorian police officer was stabbed twice in the arm before he shot the man dead. Ghaith Krayem, Secretary of the Islamic Council of Victoria, said he was a “little disappointed” with the police press conference after the incident. “I think it was a little bit pre-emptive,” he told 3AW radio. “The police have come out very clearly and almost have said it was the young man’s fault, and I don’t know in the fall of time that may prove to be the case, but I think within a couple of hours I was disappointed. “I think we need to allow the processes to play out and the facts to be known because the family quite frankly is really struggling.” Mr Krayem said the man had been involved with Al-Furqan, a group raided by police in Melbourne’s southeast in 2012, but had not had recent contact with them. The Islamic Council of Victoria expressed “deep sorrow” over the incident, which left the officers in hospital in a stable condition. They said the shooting highlighted the importance of dealing with alienation. “There needs to be a full and objective investigation into this incident to ensure that such a tragedy is never repeated,” the council said in a statement today. “This tragedy highlights the real cost of a failure to deal with these serious issues and why we have made numerous calls on the Australian government to deal with the root causes of alienation and disaffection of people such as this.” Mr Krayem confirmed the police had previous dealings with the teenager. “I guess the point of that is that we’ve seen recently there is a tendency to label people radicals or extremists ... and those labels have become a way for us not to look into the underlying causes that lead into someone — he’s only 18 — to get to a point where they are behaving in ways that the rest of us find hard to understand,” he told 3AW. “It’s easy once you label someone to not really question what’s going on.” Mr Krayem said there was a level of “frustration and anxiety” in the Muslim community. “The community over the past couple of months has felt more and more under siege,” he said. “There’s Senator Lambie making comments, we have poor language by the Prime Minister which we’ve had to call out, all of this is just increasing the tension in the community. “When people are scared and anxious, and I’m talking everybody out there, then it will get to a point where we filter what we see, hear, and respond in ways that they wouldn’t normally respond.” The council said it would support the man’s family. Originally published as Muslim leaders want full investigation

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/muslim-leaders-call-for-full-investigation-into-melbourne-teen-terror-suspect-shooting/story-fnii5smp-1227068625250

I want islam banned

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

I want islam banned

Good luck with that!


I mean, good luck with that!        ;)






I'm happy for moslems to practice ISLAM, in moslem countries.

Because that circumstance, would be a good example to the whole non-ISLAMIC world, of what ISLAM produces.
.....which is DEATH, and dead bodies.

Islam has an ingrained victim mentality, muslims never do anything wrong it is always the fault of the evil kuffar, this helps with the Propaganda side of things.

When it comes to divide and conquer the muslims are masters of that,the leftists stick up for a belief that is not compatible with human rights.

Islam translated from Arabic means submission, the lefties have that down and they are not even muslims.

Mind you if christians were behaving like muslims the lefties would be outraged.

not jumping to conclusions 2 hours after the incident and before the facts of the case are known?

Simply outrageous.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

not jumping to conclusions 2 hours after the incident and before the facts of the case are known?

What's unknown Gandalf?

You can be certain the apologists will be out in force for this one.

"This tragedy highlights the real cost of a failure to deal with these serious issues and why we have made numerous calls on the Australian government to deal with the root causes of alienation and disaffection of people such as this"

They could ban islam that would stop it eh Gandalf?

Muslim blame game again YAAAAAAWwwwwwwwnnnnnn.

http://www.icv.org.au/index.php/latest-news/media-releases

Adamant, some questions, please, if I may?

[olist]

Are some Muslims "alienated" from the majority of  Australian society?

In order for someone to become "alienated" who must perform the "alienation", the individual[s] or the broader society?

If individual[s] complain about being "alienated" should they blame themselves or the broader society which has "alienated" them, for their "alienation"?

Does such complaints indicate they like being "alienated" or not?
[/olist]

Lets see a bit of intellectual honesty from you for a change!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

In order for someone to become "alienated" who must perform the "alienation", the individual[s] or the broader society? If individual[s] complain about being "alienated" should they blame themselves or the broader society which has "alienated" them, for their "alienation"? [/olist]

The muslims are alienated because of what bearded nutjobs preach about non muslims in Mosques.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Could be Baron, could be.   Tell me, should all Muslims be "alienated" because of what some "nut jobs" preach in "some Mosques"?    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

I want islam banned

What you desire and what will happen are two very different things, thankfully, Sprint.  Section 116 of the Constitution would make it very difficult to ban an entire religion in Australia.   ::)

The 'islamics' hate our freedom - so in Sprint's book, thats a pretty good reason to go ahead and abolish our freedom.

admit it sprint - you are really an undercover muslim  aren't you? :D

A Muslim brought a knife to a gun fight with the cops. That's what happened. Now the Muslims are worried about people feeling anxious - which is happening because of alienation, not because of Muslims getting all stabby. It's our fault for not buying this disaffected teen a bomb vest. We need to stop thinking negative thoughts about Islam, or else....

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

The 'islamics' hate our freedom - so in Sprint's book, thats a pretty good reason to go ahead and abolish our freedom. admit it sprint - you are really an undercover muslim  aren't you? :D

gandalf,

Freedom.

What do YOU, want freedom for ?




gandalf,

As horrible as the suggestion may be to some;

Freedom, and some persons, are incompatible.

It is true!           :)

Dictionary;
incompatible = = not able to exist or be used together.       (of two people) unable to live together harmoniously.



e.g. Criminals, and, moslems, are two groups of people which i would nominate as being incompatible with freedom.

After all gandalf, doesn't ISLAM mean submission ?

Why does a person like yourself want freedom ?
.....a person who is a moslem, a person who is dedicated to being a slave of what ISLAMIC law promotes, which is  submission, slavery, and the removal of personal freedom.

gandalf, ISLAM has already chosen everything for you!

You don't need freedom.

You have chosen ISLAM submission.







+++




When free men, give the gift of freedom to moslems, what you get back from moslems, is ISIS!

It is true!           :)



Gaza cease-fire celebrated by ... er ... Gazans.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409089492/25#25

Quote:

When Muslims fight for 'freedom,' you end up with ISIS.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Karl Popper


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann





IMAGE.....
http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/freedom-of-expression-go-to-hell.jpg

"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"


IMO, moslems should - GO AWAY, LEAVE AUSTRALIA - and express such views, within a Sharia jurisdiction.
.....in a place where such views are appropriate.






THIS [image below] DOES NOT BELONG IN AUSTRALIA, ON 'THE AUSTRALIAN STREET'

'PROTESTATIONS' LIKE THESE [image below], BELONG ONLY WITHIN SHARIA JURISDICTIONS, imo.

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are -  towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

It has begun.

Australia 1
Muslims 0

We still have the dumbest terrorists on the planet.

Looks like we also have the dumbest Islamophobes in the world...  ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

It struck me as odd that they would come right out and describe those Islamophobes as brianless, but put on kid gloves for the terrorists. Aren't they worried about alienating the Islamophobes and driving them towards extremism?

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

It struck me as odd that they would come right out and describe those Islamophobes as brianless, but put on kid gloves for the terrorists. Aren't they worried about alienating the Islamophobes and driving them towards extremism?

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/218776/218776,1326447079,2/stock-photo-leather-boot-ready-to-trample-cockroach-92623294.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh, dear, FD appears to have set a precedent.   ::)

HB, if it's bad for FD to liken his opponents to Cockroaches, why is it OK for you to do so?  Isn't that hypocritical?   ::)

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

It struck me as odd that they would come right out and describe those Islamophobes as brianless, but put on kid gloves for the terrorists. Aren't they worried about alienating the Islamophobes and driving them towards extremism?

LOL

Its true though.

We, Australians [our pollies, at least] are tip-toeing on eggshells, around the moslem community.

Just on TV news tonight, Australian defence force personnel are being warned to be careful where they go, in public, WHILE THEY ARE IN UNIFORM, for fear from attacks by MOSLEMS, in Australia.



If i was in charge of Australia - dictator Yadda! - every moslem, who self declares as a moslem, would be interned, or expelled from Australia.







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ISLAM, in all of its 'glory'.




"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg





ISLAM - IS A CULTURE CONTAINING A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY



"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29





Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb








ISLAM - IS A CULTURE CONTAINING A SEETHING AND CONCEALED HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE AUSTRALIA COMMUNITY



Watch the sentiments,      coming out of the lips of a UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Some clarification:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/09/25/04/10/terror-suspect-numan-haider-home-searched-before-shooting

Police visited the 18-year-old terror suspect's Endeavour Hills home on Tuesday night hoping to speak with Haider, but he was hanging out at a Hungry Jack's restaurant with friends at the time, according to an account posted on Facebook by radical Muslim preacher Ustadh Mohammed Junaid Thorne.

Haider's parents called their son to tell him about the police search and this news reportedly enraged the Afghani teen, prompting him to call the local police station to rail against the "invasion of his privacy," News Corp reports.

Thorne said police responded by asking Haider to come in for a meeting.

According to Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay, two counter-terrorism officers discussed options with Haider about a meeting place before deciding to meet outside the Endeavour Hills police station.

Haider's friends ­allegedly urged him not to go and even his parents tried to stop their son over concerns for his safety, ABC News reports, but he apparently ignored their pleas and showed up armed with two knives and carrying an Islamic flag.

Haider was shot dead after stabbing a 43-year-old Australian Federal Police officer and a 38-year-old member of Victoria Police.

Haider's family would not comment about the incident yesterday.

His parents reportedly had wanted their son to see a counsellor over his increasingly radicalised behaviour and had been looking into an arranged marriage as a way of getting him to settle down, the ABC reports.

http://youtu.be/nh8o3YcGIPs

Moderate Islam with Isil flag.

It's a double win with the death of Hader. Firstly he's dead and secondly we don't get an imported incubator from Afghanistan to marry his weedy ass.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

not jumping to conclusions 2 hours after the incident and before the facts of the case are known? Simply outrageous.

Not protesting against what Radical Islam is doing to the Muslim Religion... Now that is outrageous.

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

Otherwise, the cctv footage was there from the moment it happened in the police station. That Radical Islamist stabbed one man once and another man multiple times causing serious injury requiring hospitalization and surgery. That was an act of disrespect against Australian Law and Law Enforcers.

But you don't care do you... Oh no! Much better to play the victim than stand against Radical Islam.

Are you a part and parcel of Radical Islam too? >:(

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam?

They are.  You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08pm: It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? They are.  You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.

Oh Look everyone... An abusive insulting forumite. Why are you being abusive and insulting towards me? What have I done to deserve this? Why did you ignore my comments? Why did you not provide at least 5 mainstream links as evidence of the claim you make that Muslims are decrying the abuses of Radical Islam?

Please don't insult or abuse me again... you have no right or cause.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08pm: It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? They are.  You're just too dumb to read it or understand it.

Yes, they wouldn’t cut your head off on camera. But none of them can demonstrate how the tuff guys are misunderstanding the koranic verses they are quoting. None.
They speak out in disgust about the violence and arse-covering about the islamic theology that is applied by IS.

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24th, 2014 at 11:28am: not jumping to conclusions 2 hours after the incident and before the facts of the case are known? Simply outrageous. Not protesting against what Radical Islam is doing to the Muslim Religion... Now that is outrageous. It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? Otherwise, the cctv footage was there from the moment it happened in the police station. That Radical Islamist stabbed one man once and another man multiple times causing serious injury requiring hospitalization and surgery. That was an act of disrespect against Australian Law and Law Enforcers. But you don't care do you... Oh no! Much better to play the victim than stand against Radical Islam. Are you a part and parcel of Radical Islam too? >:(

Sappho!!!

I appreciate the sentiment that you have expressed in your post, BUT.

But, you are still 'working' under a misapprehension about ISLAM, imo.



Lies [about ISLAM] that have been spread, by moslems and ISLAM, have been uncritically accepted, by people like yourself.

You [and many others] still assume that ISLAM is a benign faith, and that some moslems are good people.

YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!

EVERY MOSLEM, is complicit, in the lie that moslems are propagating in the world, that 'ISLAM is peace!'



Sappho,

There are no moderate moslems, because there is no moderate ISLAM.



Sappho,

YOU NEED TO WAKE UP!




THE TRUTH IS;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."


THE TRUTH IS THAT;

Every moslem expresses reverence for Mohammed - THE WARMONGER, the murderer, rapist, pirate.

Why is that ?






ISLAMIC law texts - pronouncing death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260






A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




THE KORAN;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196





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Sappho,

ISLAM and its doctrines are the product of the contents of ISLAM's foundation texts [Koran and Hadith].

If i am mistaken, please show where in ISLAM's foundation texts, they counsel peace, towards other human beings, who are not moslems.

Yadda... I am without faith, so cannot speak to faith.

I can speak to violence done in the name of Radical Islam, Radical Christianity and Radicalism in general.

In matters of faith, I am deeply and apathetically atheist. And whilst I am known to play with the idea of faith and belief, I rarely if ever, make that a point of religious ridicule. That would be to play Hot Breaths game of insults and abuse... not my style.

But I do take on board your concerns and that your concerns are a threat to Christianity.

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

Lies [about ISLAM] that have been spread, by moslems and ISLAM, have been uncritically accepted, by people like yourself. You [and many others] still assume that ISLAM is a benign faith, and that some moslems are good people. YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED! EVERY MOSLEM, is complicit, in the lie that moslems are propagating in the world, that 'ISLAM is peace!'

I can understand that it is too painful for many people to accept that they are being deceived by the 'nice' moslems they know.

To accept such a truth, we have to acknowledge that we [and our perception of our world] have been wrong.

That is painful, to many people.








BELOW - A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems].


Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece







IMAGE...
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/






[b]ISLAM IS NOT A BENIGN, AND PEACEFUL RELIGION!

MOSLEMS ARE - INTENTIONALLY - MISREPRESENTING ISLAM TO US [non-moslems].

ASK YOURSELF, WHY ARE MOSLEMS DOING THAT,

WHY ARE MOSLEMS DECEIVING US ?

WHY ARE MOSLEMS - INTENTIONALLY - MISREPRESENTING ISLAM TO US ?

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Yadda... I am without faith, so cannot speak to faith. I can speak to violence done in the name of Radical Islam, Radical Christianity and Radicalism in general. In matters of faith, I am deeply and apathetically atheist. And whilst I am known to play with the idea of faith and belief, I rarely if ever, make that a point of religious ridicule. That would be to play Hot Breaths game of insults and abuse... not my style. But I do take on board your concerns and that your concerns are a threat to Christianity.

Sappho,

Moslems and ISLAM, are a threat to all humanity, imo.

Respect for the truth [and for what is true], will 'turn the tide' against ISLAM.

Can we do that ?

I'm not confident in men.

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Sappho wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08pm: It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? They are.  You're just too dumb to read it or understand it. Oh Look everyone... An abusive insulting forumite. Why are you being abusive and insulting towards me? What have I done to deserve this? Why did you ignore my comments? Why did you not provide at least 5 mainstream links as evidence of the claim you make that Muslims are decrying the abuses of Radical Islam? Please don't insult or abuse me again... you have no right or cause.

Get stuffed.  You're just another ignoramus who's too smacking lazy to do a simple Google search for yourself.  You and others here keep claiming Muslims don't speak out against the radicals but it's obvious they smacking do.   Why is Islam and Muslims always held to a higher standard than any other religion?   Why are they always in the wrong, even when they do the right thing?  Why are their protests against radicalism and Terrorism ignored by the likes of smacking you?

Sappho you're so smacking up yourself you can't see daylight.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Sappho wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08pm: It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? They are.  You're just too dumb to read it or understand it. Yes, they wouldn’t cut your head off on camera. But none of them can demonstrate how the tuff guys are misunderstanding the koranic verses they are quoting. None. They speak out in disgust about the violence and arse-covering about the islamic theology that is applied by IS.

Talking about something completely different to Sappho?  How unsurprising.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Quote:

Otherwise, the cctv footage was there from the moment it happened in the police station. That Radical Islamist stabbed one man once and another man multiple times causing serious injury requiring hospitalization and surgery. That was an act of disrespect against Australian Law and Law Enforcers.

I agree. Complete disrespect.


Quote:

Why is Islam and Muslims always held to a higher standard than any other religion?

Not churning out head hacking terrorists is hardly a higher standard.

Soren wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Sappho wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:08pm: It is also the cause of deep suspicion. Why are Muslims not decrying this abuse of the Muslim Religion by radical Islam? They are.  You're just too dumb to read it or understand it. Yes, they wouldn’t cut your head off on camera. But none of them can demonstrate how the tuff guys are misunderstanding the koranic verses they are quoting. None. They speak out in disgust about the violence and arse-covering about the islamic theology that is applied by IS.

By the way HotBreath.... I clicked on that link that you provided... did you check it before you provided it? I don't think so as the first link dates to 29 feb 2012, the second dated to 16 sept 2013, the third was current and it was woman against IS specifically, and Radical Islam general (I hope), the third was not dated without going into the link itself. There were no prominent Muslims speaking out though.... which I find odd. And aside from British women not other nation seems to have bothered to make a stand against Radicalization.

I hope you feel ashamed of yourself having insulted me, abused me, but yet to prove your point... You are the perfect example of what rational and reasonable folks prove far too often that Radicals like you sir (and note I make no reference as to what kind of radical you represent... just that you are a radical) provide no substance or rational argument, yet you expect us to listen to you... Why?

HB isn't a radical. She just makes constant excuses for them.

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

HB isn't a radical. She just makes constant excuses for them.

For bad things to happen, all that is needed if for good people to do nothing.

I put it to you FD that to be an apologist to Radical Islam is to support Radical Islam

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Quote: Why is Islam and Muslims always held to a higher standard than any other religion? Not churning out head hacking terrorists is hardly a higher standard.

So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions?

The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim.  The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that no matter how often they speak out against radicalism, they have to speak out again and still be ignored at each new outrage.  And that is the real problem, you lot ignore what they say or declare it "taqiyya", and still demand they speak out!!!!!

Sappho isn't stupid.  Yet she obviously didn't even make an effort, she just declared that Muslims don't speak out, repeating the same tired old myth.  All she had to do was type "Muslims speak out against radicalism" into Google, exactly as you could if you wanted to Freediver and read the numerous links.  Your problem would be your closed mind.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Sappho wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

By the way HotBreath.... I clicked on that link that you provided... did you check it before you provided it? I don't think so as the first link dates to 29 feb 2012, the second dated to 16 sept 2013, the third was current and it was woman against IS specifically, and Radical Islam general (I hope), the third was not dated without going into the link itself. There were no prominent Muslims speaking out though.... which I find odd. And aside from British women not other nation seems to have bothered to make a stand against Radicalization. I hope you feel ashamed of yourself having insulted me, abused me, but yet to prove your point... You are the perfect example of what rational and reasonable folks prove far too often that Radicals like you sir (and note I make no reference as to what kind of radical you represent... just that you are a radical) provide no substance or rational argument, yet you expect us to listen to you... Why?

Typical, moving the goalposts.  The next trick that Islamophobes usually try and play.  You didn't say anything about them speaking out recently or specifically against IS.

Did you see how easy it was to do a Google search Sappho?  I'm sure you could do it yourself and find plenty of links to Muslims speaking out against IS even plenty doing it recently.   

Oh, and if you think me upbraiding you for your lazy prejudice is being a "radical" then I'd hate you to meet a real one.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Quote:

So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions?

The next time it becomes a global phenomenon based on Buddhist scriptures, I'll jump on the bandwagon.


Quote:

The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim.

No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops.


Quote:

The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that no matter how often they speak out against radicalism, they have to speak out again and still be ignored at each new outrage.

The problem is not that we ignore their pleas that Islam is peace. The problem is that Muslims ignore it and go on head hacking rampages.

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

HB isn't a radical. She just makes constant excuses for them.

Care to provide evidence of that?   As usual, anybody who disagrees with you and points out how intolerant you are of Muslims and your constant persecution of them is suddenly "making excuses" for Islamic radicals.   This is just the usual simplistic thinking we see from Islamophobes who live in a black and white, binary world.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

Quote: So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions? The next time it becomes a global phenomenon based on Buddhist scriptures, I'll jump on the bandwagon.

Ah, so its not principle you're worried about?  Typically shallow viewpoint there Freediver.


Quote:

[quote]The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim.

No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops.
[/quote]

Sprint.  Yadda.  Moses.  Soren.  All hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of all other Muslims.


Quote:

[quote]The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that no matter how often they speak out against radicalism, they have to speak out again and still be ignored at each new outrage.

The problem is not that we ignore their pleas that Islam is peace. The problem is that Muslims ignore it and go on head hacking rampages.[/quote]

See what I mean?  You hold all Muslims responsible for what some Muslims do.   So, do you do the same with Aborigines?  When an Aborigine commits a crime do you use that against all other Aborigines?  You're a hypocrite of the lowest order Freediver.  You deserve that boot. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Atrocities are committed daily in the name of islam and justified on the basis of islamic dogma.
If others who also live by islam don’t want to be identified with these dogmas, they need to show how the violent passages of the koran and the hadiths are not applicable AND demonstrate how their own interpretation is correct and not those of the muslims who take the violent passages to mean violence.

It is for muslims to save islam from other muslims, not for the rest of the world.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Sappho wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:11pm: By the way HotBreath.... I clicked on that link that you provided... did you check it before you provided it? I don't think so as the first link dates to 29 feb 2012, the second dated to 16 sept 2013, the third was current and it was woman against IS specifically, and Radical Islam general (I hope), the third was not dated without going into the link itself. There were no prominent Muslims speaking out though.... which I find odd. And aside from British women not other nation seems to have bothered to make a stand against Radicalization. I hope you feel ashamed of yourself having insulted me, abused me, but yet to prove your point... You are the perfect example of what rational and reasonable folks prove far too often that Radicals like you sir (and note I make no reference as to what kind of radical you represent... just that you are a radical) provide no substance or rational argument, yet you expect us to listen to you... Why? Typical, moving the goalposts.  The next trick that Islamophobes usually try and play.  You didn't say anything about them speaking out recently or specifically against IS. Did you see how easy it was to do a Google search Sappho?  I'm sure you could do it yourself and find plenty of links to Muslims speaking out against IS even plenty doing it recently.    Oh, and if you think me upbraiding you for your lazy prejudice is being a "radical" then I'd hate you to meet a real one.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Moving the goal posts am I? I swear that is almost dishonest of you to say so.  This is a issue of the here and now and not the then and there... Australia's involvement with ISIS is the now and not two years ago. The stabbing by a radicalized muslim happened just the other day ago and not 12 months ago... It is dishonest to suggest that when I speak on an issue that is new to terrorism and want to know where the outcry from Muslims is, beyond victimhood, that because I critique your lack of currency in your link, that you therefore accuse me of changing my request... when it is you who is dishonest for your mock approach to my genuine queries

I notice too that I did comment on the British Women who speak out against ISIS that that that is a good thing.... yet you say nothing to add further to that discussion, rather, you seek yet another way of abusing and insulting me. Abuse and Insults are classic markers of Radicalism... did you know that?

And now you question my very right to speak on the topic of ISIS and the lack of Muslim condemnation because you have assumed that I know no Muslims and yet I have said many times on forum that as a public servant I know many public servants who also happen to be Muslim. I am on record at Debate and Relate pointing out that many of these people are better thought of as Muslim in name only... observing Ramadan for the benefit of their family only, but not in anyways a religious Muslim. They use the word Muslim as a cultural identifier in the same way that Christians do. One woman that I do have a regular smoke with is a fully fledged Muslim with her Islamic dress etc... and she and I speak very generally on matters of religion lest I cause her or she cause me, as an atheist, offense. She too is a perfectly decent human being and in no way radicalized. I haven't spoken to her since all this business with ISIS, but I suspect we never will.

It may also interest you to know that I am on a Muslim Forum called Muslim Villiage... and having just had a browse of that forum, I'm fairly satisfied that the reason why there is no general outrage emanating from the Muslim Community is dominantly because there is no general leadership to which Australian Muslims are connected.


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You expect them to answer in two weeks when the other still have questions from me aging nearly 4 years, and still not answered? Let us not judge them on the basis of two weeks. This is the problem with the Muslim community- we pick on those who are yet to do anything due to their infancy, but have not guts nor inclination to stand up to those who have done nothing for the past two decades. Big difference, and the quicker it is realised the better it is for sincerity and that unity word that keeps popping up. Was Salaam Afroz  source

So, even Muslims are critical of Islamic Leaders for their lack of attention to their followers. As I said earlier, bad things happen when good people do nothing. But why am I wasting my time with a Radical like you... Normally I don't. And now I wont.

Children, children, please, seeing you squabbling like that is distressing.  Sappho doesn't deserve your opprobrium, HB.  Sappho is normally quite a deep thinker on most topics but I'm surprised you haven't seen this thread - http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410702542, where Muslims do speak out against radicalisation.   What's your opinion of their efforts?

Sappho, I apologise for my brother, he can be somewhat hot-headed at time but he does have a point.  Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.  Further, you did not put a time limit on when they had to protest and not all the links in that Google search are out of date.   This might be more appropriate?

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Did you see how easy it was to do a Google search Sappho?  I'm sure you could do it yourself and find plenty of links to Muslims speaking out against IS even plenty doing it recently.

LOL, Google.  Maybe people expect to see, and it is in the interests of peace loving Muslims to be at least as energetic and reactive in disowning Islamic inspired atrocities as they do in protesting out in the streets, with placards, in numbers enough to attract the attentions of the evening news about cartoons or Korans being burnt.

If you have to google I suggest they need to do a lot more,a lot fringing more.  It's a wonder the leaders have not woken up to that simple fact, Muslim PR sucks, in between a response that needs to be googled and boycotting govt meetings they ain't doing themselves any favours and people justifiably will consider such muted protests to be limited and half hearted.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:30pm: Quote: So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions? The next time it becomes a global phenomenon based on Buddhist scriptures, I'll jump on the bandwagon. Ah, so its not principle you're worried about?  Typically shallow viewpoint there Freediver.

Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. If you show me a greater one, I'll listen. If you can only offer pissweak excuses, I'll ignore.

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:59pm: freediver wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:30pm: Quote: So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions? The next time it becomes a global phenomenon based on Buddhist scriptures, I'll jump on the bandwagon. Ah, so its not principle you're worried about?  Typically shallow viewpoint there Freediver. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. If you show me a greater one, I'll listen. If you can only offer pissweak excuses, I'll ignore.

I'd suggest the greatest threat is the modern surveillance state.  Soon there will be no where you can express your views without them being monitored by the Big Brother state.  They will listen in everywhere.   Of course, it's just to keep little diddums like you safe from the big bad Terrorists.     ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

Quote: [quote]The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim. No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops.

Sprint.  Yadda.  Moses.  Soren.  All hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of all other Muslims.

[/quote]


Hot_Breath,

I hold all moslems responsible for choosing to follow ISLAM.

And i hold all moslems responsible for choosing to implement what ISLAM promotes.




QUESTION;
What does ISLAM promote ?

EXAMPLE;

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260








Hot_Breath,

QUESTION;

Who is this person responsible to ? [i.e. what is it, which inspires him?]


http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"
Islamic Protest in the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.i+++

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29





Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Children, children, please, seeing you squabbling like that is distressing.  Sappho doesn't deserve your opprobrium, HB.  Sappho is normally quite a deep thinker on most topics but I'm surprised you haven't seen this thread - http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410702542, where Muslims do speak out against radicalisation.   What's your opinion of their efforts? Sappho, I apologise for my brother, he can be somewhat hot-headed at time but he does have a point.  Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.  Further, you did not put a time limit on when they had to protest and not all the links in that Google search are out of date.   This might be more appropriate?

Get fecked Brian!  Don't you go apologising for anything I've said!  Sappho had it coming.   I can just imagine what she'd say if some man started talking about how women "liked rape" and were "begging for it" when they "dressed like that!"   >:( >:( >:(

Yet she sits there and proclaims, "Muslims don't protest about radicalism in their religion," implying that Muslims are happy how the radicals are portraying their religion to the world.   smack her, if she's too smacking lazy to smacking do a search on Google she deserves everything I've said!   It's just prejudice, nothing else, dumb, blind, smacking prejudice.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D 

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:59pm: Quote: [quote]The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim. No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops. Sprint.  Yadda.  Moses.  Soren.  All hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of all other Muslims.

Hot_Breath,

I hold all moslems responsible for choosing to follow ISLAM.

And i hold all moslems responsible for choosing to implement what ISLAM promotes.
[/quote]

You blame innocent people for the actions of others.  You persecute them because of their religion and their beliefs.

I just imagine how much you'd scream if the positions were reversed and you were being persecuted like this.

You are not a Christian Yadda.  You know nothing about the teachings of Christ.   You ooze hatred and prejudice from every post.  You are a bigot.   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

You blame innocent people........      You persecute them because of their religion and their beliefs. .......You ooze hatred and prejudice from every post. You are a bigot.   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg





ISLAM, in all of its 'glory'.




"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFgiIMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"



THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

:D :D ;D ;D :P :P :D :D ;D ;D :P : :D :D ;D ;D :P :P

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

True.

So true.          :D

And if moslems are 'found wanting', these are the consequences for the 'wayward moslem'....


IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg

Happy moslems in Syria and Iraq, doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah, by 'spilling the blood' of apostates.






ISLAMIC law texts - pronounce death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Children, children, please, seeing you squabbling like that is distressing.  Sappho doesn't deserve your opprobrium, HB.  Sappho is normally quite a deep thinker on most topics but I'm surprised you haven't seen this thread - http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410702542, where Muslims do speak out against radicalisation.   What's your opinion of their efforts? Sappho, I apologise for my brother, he can be somewhat hot-headed at time but he does have a point.  Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.  Further, you did not put a time limit on when they had to protest and not all the links in that Google search are out of date.   This might be more appropriate? Get fecked Brian!  Don't you go apologising for anything I've said!  Sappho had it coming.   I can just imagine what she'd say if some man started talking about how women "liked rape" and were "begging for it" when they "dressed like that!"   >:( >:( >:( Yet she sits there and proclaims, "Muslims don't protest about radicalism in their religion," implying that Muslims are happy how the radicals are portraying their religion to the world.   smack her, if she's too smacking lazy to smacking do a search on Google she deserves everything I've said!   It's just prejudice, nothing else, dumb, blind, smacking prejudice.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

::)

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. True.

Thank you for confirming it, Y.   ::)

The Islamist version of the mardi gras float


http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2014/08/30/BostonGlobe.com/Ideas/Images/2014-07-01T034702Z_1374569210_GM1EA710J8K01_RTRMADP_3_SYRIA-CRISIS-IRAQ.jpg1

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:13am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. True. Thank you for confirming it, Y.   ::)

Brian_Ross,

Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:13am: Yadda wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. True. Thank you for confirming it, Y.   ::) Brian_Ross, Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

Y, how have I misrepresented what you said?   Do you deny typing those words?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote


Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:13am: Yadda wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. True. Thank you for confirming it, Y.   ::) Brian_Ross, Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

Y, I misrepresented what you said ::)

Quote:

muslim leaders blame everyone else

Yes, just read what this imam has to say:


Quote:

...Friends of the former Lyndale Secondary College student painted a different picture of the young Afghan. Chris Owen, 19, knew Mr Haider through mutual friends who met at Narre Warren's Fountain Gate shopping centre last year. Mr Owen said Mr Haider appeared deeply devoted to his family and his faith, but "didn't seem like he was an extremist". "He was a good dude, a really nice guy. He would always greet me with a handshake and a smile ," Mr Owen said. "What's going through the grapevine is he was getting a hard time from police and lost his passport because a mosque he was going to that was under suspicion. Although I can't forgive his actions, it seems like he was oppressed." http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/concerns-of-recruitment-to-radical-groups-reported-to-police-20140925-10m52y.html

The ayatollahs are claiming that Tony Abbott's agent hassled him until he snapped.

I blame Labor.

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yadda wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 12:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:13am: Yadda wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. True. Thank you for confirming it, Y.   ::) Brian_Ross, Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say. Y, I misrepresented what you said ::)

How did you misrepresent what he said, Soren?   ::)