The Australian Council of Social Service, the Brotherhood of St Laurence, the Consumer Utilities Advocacy Centre and the Clean Energy Council.'If the RET is cut, Australia's greater reliance on gas-fired power will increase the cost of power for all energy users,' they say. Sky News.

Neither Tony Abbott nor Greg Hunt will reveal why they conceal from the Clerk of Parliament the green energy gift given to all Australian's.

Could it be its 24/7 performance without burning Coal or other fossil fuel.

Could it be the dramatic decrease in power production costs.

Could it be the LNP do not have the skill to obtain monies other than by taxing multi millions of tonns of burnt Coal, Oil and Gas.

Could it be the LNP fear a Coal advertising campaign like that it deliverd at Howards 2007 attempt for relelection.

Repeat post!

Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters???

So the majority of voters apparently voted against a cost increase via a CT

But voted for a cost increase via energy bills.

Yeah unfortunately that actually makes perfect sense these days, I won't pay for a better environment but I will pay for better share prices because I just might have some one day.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters???

Rubbish. They're not.

Essential Vision - Energy Sources 2/9/14

Q. Do you think Australia should put more emphasis, less emphasis or about the same emphasis as it does now on producing domestic energy from the following sources?

	More emphasis	Same emphasis	Less emphasis	Don’t know
Solar power	70%	21%	3%	5%
Wind	60%	26%	8%	6%
Hydro	46%	39%	6%	9%
Gas	23%	47%	22%	8%
Nuclear power	18%	26%	41%	15%
Coal	9%	31%	53%	8%

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters???

They haven't done that, or anything approaching it, since the day they got elected.

They are governing for a small, deluded but loud minority, most of whose views have no place in a modern democracy.

And, of course, the ever-present band of congenital fools who'd vote for any kind of filth as long as they 'wore blue ties'.

They've already lost most of those who 'just wanted Gillard gone' or who honestly thought they were voting for a 'traditional'
Liberal government.

We do not have a Liberal govt. We have a neoconservative govt with more than a whiff of fascism about it.

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

Could it be the LNP do not have the skill to obtain monies other than by taxing multi millions of tonns of burnt Coal, Oil and Gas. Could it be the LNP fear a Coal advertising campaign like that it deliverd at Howards 2007 attempt for relelection.

Only in QLD

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters???

Yes, that is an unknown. It is possible (though unlikely) the majority of voters do wish for dearer electricity prices, less jobs and more Carbon.

Swagman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 12:57pm: Could it be the LNP do not have the skill to obtain monies other than by taxing multi millions of tonns of burnt Coal, Oil and Gas. Could it be the LNP fear a Coal advertising campaign like that it deliverd at Howards 2007 attempt for relelection. Only in QLD

In the case of Labour in QLD it is terror running wild, and well documented!

The LNP only have a sell it mentality so it would be wrong to suppose they be able to think otherwise!

I must have wandered in the wrong door.
The thread title suggested to me that there has been some new poll, but no, we're still with the last one which I think showed support for the Abbott govt up.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? So the majority of voters apparently voted against a cost increase via a CT But voted for a cost increase via energy bills. Yeah unfortunately that actually makes perfect sense these days, I won't pay for a better environment but I will pay for better share prices because I just might have some one day.

No, my Gas bill (in particular) has dropped by 4.5% since the CT was axed...Haven't received an electricity bill yet. But I imagine it will be similar..

Kat wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? They haven't done that, or anything approaching it, since the day they got elected. They are governing for a small, deluded but loud minority, most of whose views have no place in a modern democracy. And, of course, the ever-present band of congenital fools who'd vote for any kind of filth as long as they 'wore blue ties'. They've already lost most of those who 'just wanted Gillard gone' or who honestly thought they were voting for a 'traditional' Liberal government.

Well it does seem to me (and people I talk to regularly) that mostly, they really have  followed the 'majority', not the minority.
(the minority being the Green/coolaid/let's open the borders crowd.)

Other than the GP Co-payment (which I don't think was ever seriously intended to be 'across the board', although I might be wrong) everything else (losing the CT, losing the mining tax, stopping the boats, etc) seems to be what the average Aussie wants.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? So the majority of voters apparently voted against a cost increase via a CT But voted for a cost increase via energy bills. Yeah unfortunately that actually makes perfect sense these days, I won't pay for a better environment but I will pay for better share prices because I just might have some one day. No, my Gas bill (in particular) has dropped by 4.5% since the CT was axed...Haven't received an electricity bill yet. But I imagine it will be similar..

Your 4.5% off may well become a 13.5% increase.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/theres-a-push-to-set-local-quotas-on-australian-gas-because-global-markets-pay-around-3-times-more-than-we-do-2014-9

Enjoy ;)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? So the majority of voters apparently voted against a cost increase via a CT But voted for a cost increase via energy bills. Yeah unfortunately that actually makes perfect sense these days, I won't pay for a better environment but I will pay for better share prices because I just might have some one day. No, my Gas bill (in particular) has dropped by 4.5% since the CT was axed...Haven't received an electricity bill yet. But I imagine it will be similar.. Your 4.5% off may well become a 13.5% increase. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/theres-a-push-to-set-local-quotas-on-australian-gas-because-global-markets-pay-around-3-times-more-than-we-do-2014-9 Enjoy ;)

Possibly...But is that increase because of a tax, or because of international price fluctuations?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? So the majority of voters apparently voted against a cost increase via a CT But voted for a cost increase via energy bills. Yeah unfortunately that actually makes perfect sense these days, I won't pay for a better environment but I will pay for better share prices because I just might have some one day. No, my Gas bill (in particular) has dropped by 4.5% since the CT was axed...Haven't received an electricity bill yet. But I imagine it will be similar.. Your 4.5% off may well become a 13.5% increase. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/theres-a-push-to-set-local-quotas-on-australian-gas-because-global-markets-pay-around-3-times-more-than-we-do-2014-9 Enjoy ;) Possibly...But is that increase because of a tax, or because of international price fluctuations?

Does it matter?

But lets say it does in your world, you're happy for a bunch of foreigners to dictate what you pay for absolutely no benefit to yourself, but object almost violently when your government imposes a cost for absolutely no benefit for yourself(just so we don't get sidetracked with that other debate).

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:07pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 3:00pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? So the majority of voters apparently voted against a cost increase via a CT But voted for a cost increase via energy bills. Yeah unfortunately that actually makes perfect sense these days, I won't pay for a better environment but I will pay for better share prices because I just might have some one day. No, my Gas bill (in particular) has dropped by 4.5% since the CT was axed...Haven't received an electricity bill yet. But I imagine it will be similar.. Your 4.5% off may well become a 13.5% increase. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/theres-a-push-to-set-local-quotas-on-australian-gas-because-global-markets-pay-around-3-times-more-than-we-do-2014-9 Enjoy ;) Possibly...But is that increase because of a tax, or because of international price fluctuations?

Question. How much did your gas bill go up after the Carbon Tax passed Parliament?

Todays Essential poll shows the miniscule bounce for the govt has already dissipated.

Labor 54, Lib 46. Green, Palmer & other unchanged, LNP down 1 point.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:59pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 29th, 2014 at 1:15pm: Or perhaps the LNP is following the wishes of the majority of voters??? They haven't done that, or anything approaching it, since the day they got elected. They are governing for a small, deluded but loud minority, most of whose views have no place in a modern democracy. And, of course, the ever-present band of congenital fools who'd vote for any kind of filth as long as they 'wore blue ties'. They've already lost most of those who 'just wanted Gillard gone' or who honestly thought they were voting for a 'traditional' Liberal government. Well it does seem to me (and people I talk to regularly) that mostly, they really have  followed the 'majority', not the minority. (the minority being the Green/coolaid/let's open the borders crowd.) Other than the GP Co-payment (which I don't think was ever seriously intended to be 'across the board', although I might be wrong) everything else (losing the CT, losing the mining tax, stopping the boats, etc) seems to be what the average Aussie wants.

An Australian with one foot in a Coal fire and the other foot in a bucket of ice averages out as quite comfortable!