Since taking office the LNP has imposed Sovereign Risk upon all Green Energy not backed up by Coal burning.

Greg Hunt directly conceals Green Energy gifted to the Nation, for it not need Coal for operation 24/7.

To compete on the world market a Nation requires cheap energy or cheap labour.

The LNP is determined it shall be the second option.

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Is alternative energy worth it? There’s not as much hype as there once was about electric cars, but I recall my surprise on learning that you would have to run one of them for 80,000 miles before all the CO2 created by the energy used in making it had been offset by the CO2 savings generated in using it. [...] http://donaitkin.com/is-alternative-energy-worth-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DonAitkin+%28DON+AITKIN%29

salad in wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Quote: Is alternative energy worth it? There’s not as much hype as there once was about electric cars, but I recall my surprise on learning that you would have to run one of them for 80,000 miles before all the CO2 created by the energy used in making it had been offset by the CO2 savings generated in using it. [...] http://donaitkin.com/is-alternative-energy-worth-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DonAitkin+%28DON+AITKIN%29

Is alternative energy worth it?

TROLL BULLSHIT, Electric cars have never claimed to be alternative energy!

Take home and plug in its couple of tonne of lead batteries that wear out fasters than the tyres do!

Keep those Coal fires burning to supply battery recharge.

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LNP Ban on Green Energy

Please provide your evidence / link where the LNP has banned Green Energy. ::)

They could only do this in QLD which is the only place the LNP is in government.

Swagman wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Quote: LNP Ban on Green Energy Please provide your evidence / link where the LNP has banned Green Energy. ::) They could only do this in QLD which is the only place the LNP is in government.

BULLSHIT!


LNP leader Tony Abbott public address to Photovoltaic Industry,  "All Clean Green Energy needs Coal Back Up!"

Greg Hunt refusal to pass Nation gifted green energy to the Clerk of Parliament, with deliberate intent to stop any citizen copy and use!

I am not aware that the LNP has "banned" green energy.
This is a totally dishonest statement.
They are looking at whether green subsidies should continue or whether renewables should stand on their own two feet.

Different issue I think.

The heading of this topic doesn't match the content. All Greg is saying is that any forms of Green energy devised and implemented have to have a form of coal energy backing them up in case they fail to meet demand. Seems reasonable and prudent to me.

salad in wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Quote: Is alternative energy worth it? There’s not as much hype as there once was about electric cars, but I recall my surprise on learning that you would have to run one of them for 80,000 miles before all the CO2 created by the energy used in making it had been offset by the CO2 savings generated in using it. [...] http://donaitkin.com/is-alternative-energy-worth-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DonAitkin+%28DON+AITKIN%29

Thank you! New information appreciated!

DaS just likes to put up the picture it made - looks like it was done in Word.....cutting edge sh!t man.

;D ;D

King FriYAY II wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

DaS just likes to put up the picture it made - looks like it was done in Word.....cutting edge sh!t man. ;D ;D

Thank you, it very much so!

Minimum heat need for all CO2 model is -30*C.

Shaft wattage is dependant upon heat (pressure) and volume per second.

Follow on to the Royal Navy 1812 Ammonia piston engine.

DaS Energy also has a piston drive to turbine model.

This later developed to the sole part turbine model.

Such is the world impact of our developments, free to copy is applied.

Persons may alter to Patent to themselves. 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

The heading of this topic doesn't match the content. All Greg is saying is that any forms of Green energy devised and implemented have to have a form of coal energy backing them up in case they fail to meet demand. Seems reasonable and prudent to me.

Actually it was Tony Abbott, and hence the LNP Ban on green energy. Green energy not having Coal back up suffers LNP Sovereign Risk for not having Coal back up.
That not having Coal back up is LNP banned in Australia.

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

I am not aware that the LNP has "banned" green energy. This is a totally dishonest statement. They are looking at whether green subsidies should continue or whether renewables should stand on their own two feet. Different issue I think.

Bullshit!

So you would have green energy with no back up if it goes wrong?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

So you would have green energy with no back up if it goes wrong?

You have coal/steam black energy with no back up if it goes wrong!

You Greenie Communists are stupid....fossil fuels will last forever so there is no need to invest in renewables  :D

Swagman wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Quote: LNP Ban on Green Energy Please provide your evidence / link where the LNP has banned Green Energy. ::)

I guess you are having a bit of trouble with that evidence / Link Das?

You should retract your statement and apologise for telling porky pies like a good little watermelon.... ;D

Swagman wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:36pm: Quote: LNP Ban on Green Energy Please provide your evidence / link where the LNP has banned Green Energy. ::) I guess you are having a bit of trouble with that evidence / Link Das? You should retract your statement and apologise for telling porky pies like a good little watermelon.... ;D

In your dreams!

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 5:37pm: Swagman wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:36pm: Quote: LNP Ban on Green Energy Please provide your evidence / link where the LNP has banned Green Energy. ::) I guess you are having a bit of trouble with that evidence / Link Das? You should retract your statement and apologise for telling porky pies like a good little watermelon.... ;D In your dreams!

I guess telling porkies and overspending other people's money are just par for the course for you Pinkos.......do they have that as a subject at Truebeliever school?

Porky-Pie101  :D ;D

Swagman wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 5:39pm: Swagman wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 5:37pm: Swagman wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:36pm: Quote: LNP Ban on Green Energy Please provide your evidence / link where the LNP has banned Green Energy. ::) I guess you are having a bit of trouble with that evidence / Link Das? You should retract your statement and apologise for telling porky pies like a good little watermelon.... ;D In your dreams! I guess telling porkies and overspending other people's money are just par for the course for you Pinkos.......do they have that as a subject at Truebeliever school? Porky-Pie101  :D ;D

Chiffley Research Centre. 14 January 2014 in New Progressive Thinking.

4. Degrading public confidence in renewables

Abbott has been telling fibs straight from the anti-renewables script. Here’s a few from an interview on 2GB.

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

Exactly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfB1VdNWtEU

Swagman wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:18pm: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Exactly

Bullshit!  CO2 power generation is activated by heat whether the sun shines or not, whether the wind blow or not.

DaS Turbine generator commences at -30*C heating.

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:24pm: DaS Energy wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 6:18pm: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Exactly Bullshit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1QzZ15-L38

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

They are looking at whether green subsidies should continue or whether renewables should stand on their own two feet.

It's not like the other energy sources don't get subsidies.

Kytro wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 5:26am:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 30th, 2014 at 2:38pm: They are looking at whether green subsidies should continue or whether renewables should stand on their own two feet. It's not like the other energy sources don't get subsidies.

Co2 Green energy needs no subsidy as it is 24//7 power.

Governments for peculiar reasons have heavily invested in part time green energy.

Free market best value is no subsidies to the energy market, and no Government impositions to restrain green energy from the coal market!

Where's that link Das proving LNP are banning green energy?

:(

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Where's that link Das proving LNP are banning green energy? :(

Good idea when quoting DaS Energy not to engage in deceit! Ban on is specific, your deceit banning is generic.

Second time of posting! Chiffley Research Centre. 14 January 2014 in New Progressive Thinking.

4. Degrading public confidence in renewables

Abbott has been telling fibs straight from the anti-renewables script. Here’s a few from an interview on 2GB.

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

That's not a ban

The difference in Coal Steam, and CO2 drivers for turbines is;

350 megawatt turbine (Tarong) needs 200 bar pressure for operation.

Steam need be +600*C to have 200 bar pressure.

Steam has to be cooled (wasting lakes of drinking water) whilst CO2 is mechanically cooled in the turbine process .

CO2 is 10,000 bar pressure at below +100*C  enough to power 300 hundred Tarongs.

Tarong burns 240 tonne of coal per hour.

LNP Carbon Tax if only $10.00 a tonne adds a price hike of $2,400 per hour.

Conversion from Steam to CO2 creates a price saving of $717,600 per hour.

LNP must ensure the highest Coal burn possible or forgo lots of tax collection.

Even more upsetting to the LNP is CO2 activates turbines at a heat of -40*C, so no need for Coal burn at all.

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That's still not a ban.

The LNP ban on green energy is so intense that Greg Hunt, conceals from the Clerk of Parliament the green energy gift to the nation, to prevent any person from copying it!

Burn that coal baby burn that coal , there's something a bit odd between Greg and Coal, certainly kickbacks are a happening!

Today the Aluminium industry began its quest to be exempt from RET. The Australian.

Greg Hunt and the LNP refuse to allow the Aluminium industry to purchase or construct cheap non Carbon emitting electricity.

Greg Hunt is determined the LNP will get the last cent of Carbon Tax from the aluminium industry before it ceases  production due to excessive high costs.

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:12am:

Today the Aluminium industry began its quest to be exempt from RET. The Australian. Greg Hunt and the LNP refuse to allow the Aluminium industry to purchase or construct cheap non Carbon emitting electricity. Greg Hunt is determined the LNP will get the last cent of Carbon Tax from the aluminium industry before it ceases  production due to excessive high costs.

Links?

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 9:11am:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:12am: Today the Aluminium industry began its quest to be exempt from RET. The Australian. Greg Hunt and the LNP refuse to allow the Aluminium industry to purchase or construct cheap non Carbon emitting electricity. Greg Hunt is determined the LNP will get the last cent of Carbon Tax from the aluminium industry before it ceases  production due to excessive high costs. Links?

Today the Aluminium industry began its quest to be exempt from RET. The Australian.

that's not a link

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

that's not a link

Try Google Search, The Australian, seems to link ok!

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:50am: that's not a link Try Google Search, The Australian, seems to link ok!

HELP

Environment Minister Greg Hunt reportedly knew of the effects of climate change on Australia ahead of an international interview in which he claimed his knowledge came from Wikipedia.

Speaking on the BBC's Newshour on October 23 last year, Mr Hunt appeared to use Wikipedia as his source of information to back Prime Minister Tony Abbott's dismissal of a statement by United Nations climate chief Christiana Figueres on the link between bushfires and climate change.

However, confidential Bureau of Meteorology briefings reveal Mr Hunt was warned by senior officials prior to the interview that Australia's extreme 2013 temperatures were 'unprecedented' and consistent with 'a pattern of global warming'.

Fairfax Media reports Mr Hunt was given subsequent advice in November that climate change had increased the odds of 'severe weather conducive to severe bushfires occurring'.

The briefing papers released to Fairfax show that on October 3, weather bureau director Rob Vertessy told Mr Hunt while 'it is not possible to attribute any single weather event to global warming', he emphasised 'recent extremes are consistent with the general pattern of warming'.

Sky News

...again how does that snipit add up to a LNP (or more accurately Coalition) ban on Green Energy?

You should correct the title of your thread.

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 12:37pm:

That's not a ban

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

Swagman wrote on Oct 1^st, 2014 at 9:08pm:

That's still not a ban.

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

[quote author=Timbo2530 link=1412042737/37#37 date=1412644870]...again how does that snipit add up to a LNP (or more accurately Coalition) ban on Green Energy?

You should correct the title of your thread.

/quote]

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

“you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.”

Whats the matter?  The truth hurt?  :-?

Swagman wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:56am: Swagman wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 9:50am: that's not a link Try Google Search, The Australian, seems to link ok! HELP

Ok, first start by looking at your key board, next find the letters on the keyboard then press those which spell out the word Google, next is a tricking bit, hidden in your keyboard is a key marked Enter, this should be pushed all the way down.

Next you must wait until a site called Googlel appears on your monitor, next you may need help, in the space where letters can be typed, copy the letters as they appear The Australian.

Having done this you again need to locate in the your keyboard the button with the letters ENTER marked on it, you should again carefully push this button all the way down.

Then you must wait, after some time the words The Australian shall appear on your monitor, when this occurs you should move your cursor to point at that name then carefully push the button marked Enter all the way down.

Should you still be experiencing difficulties after this children from you local primary school will be able to assist you!

You're the one incapable of posting the link so you should take your own advice...

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:47am: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Whats the matter?  The truth hurt?  :-?

When the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine CO2 turbine keeps on producing electricity 24/7 and emits no Carbon. However Greg Hunt, Tony Abbott and the LNP preach the deceit it stops! Liars the lot of them!

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:55am: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:47am: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Whats the matter?  The truth hurt?  :-? When the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine CO2 turbine keeps on producing electricity 24/7 and emits no Carbon. However Greg Hunt, Tony Abbott and the LNP preach the deceit it stops! Liars the lot of them!

Is the CO2 turbine actually in use anywhere?

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Swagman wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:55am: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:47am: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Whats the matter?  The truth hurt?  :-? When the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine CO2 turbine keeps on producing electricity 24/7 and emits no Carbon. However Greg Hunt, Tony Abbott and the LNP preach the deceit it stops! Liars the lot of them! Is the CO2 turbine actually in use anywhere?

China has a 10KW model, being produced at 100,000 per, I not know of others, only that widely differing models are available.

Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

You're the one incapable of posting the link so you should take your own advice...

I do,  that is how I aquire information!

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 1:10pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 12:29pm: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Swagman wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:55am: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:47am: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Whats the matter?  The truth hurt?  :-? When the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine CO2 turbine keeps on producing electricity 24/7 and emits no Carbon. However Greg Hunt, Tony Abbott and the LNP preach the deceit it stops! Liars the lot of them! Is the CO2 turbine actually in use anywhere? China has a 10KW model, being produced at 100,000 per, I not know of others, only that widely differing models are available.

OK cheers

King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 1:10pm: King FriYAY II wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 12:29pm: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 12:15pm: Swagman wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:55am: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:47am: “you’ve gotta have backups because when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine, the power doesn’t flow.” Whats the matter?  The truth hurt?  :-? When the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine CO2 turbine keeps on producing electricity 24/7 and emits no Carbon. However Greg Hunt, Tony Abbott and the LNP preach the deceit it stops! Liars the lot of them! Is the CO2 turbine actually in use anywhere? China has a 10KW model, being produced at 100,000 per, I not know of others, only that widely differing models are available. OK cheers

Post Script.

China model +20*C, cold phase is house cooling.

Coles Supermarkets use same technology but must use electric driven compressor and not recover electricity.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has issued a stark warning about the mounting effects of climate change, from food shortages to devastating droughts, saying time is running out for real action.

Kerry said on Thursday that the window for facing the challenge was 'closing quickly' and warned of dire consequences if climate change sceptics are wrong about the future and nothing is done.

'If they're wrong, catastrophe,' Kerry said in Boston after visiting a wind-technology testing centre with British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond.

'Life as you know it on Earth ends. Seven degrees increase Fahrenheit (4 degrees Celsius) and we can't sustain crops, water, life under those circumstances.

Sky News

Greg Hunt has now put in writing the LNP has halved the emissions it was going cut upon coming to office.

A sole 103 businesses selected by Greg Hunt shall receive voters money to reduce their Carbon emissions.

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However the start date of 1st July 2014 and the quarterly review have been postponed due to a whisper of the High Court not happy.

Should interest Clive he was just a lad in 1953 when Ansett versus the Commonwealth, section 53 of the constitution, came up trumps, as it does today to the LNP Direct Action.