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Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:    Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

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bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:    Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

I guess when you make up the rules .............

Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Jesus Christ

I read the other day an historian claimed that JC did not exist. If this is so proven what will happen to the last prophets take on things.

Will the Abrahamic religions finally be proven to be a lie?

Adamant wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ I read the other day an historian claimed that JC did not exist. If this is so proven what will happen to the last prophets take on things. Will the Abrahamic religions finally be proven to be a lie?

You doubting Thomas.


John 20

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Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

What proof is there that JC ever existed?  What proof is there that he was the "son of God"?  None!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

What proof is there that JC ever existed?  What proof is there that he was the "son of God"?  None!   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

None according to this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:16am:

Quote: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:    Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). [quote]bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:    Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

I guess when you make up the rules .............[/quote]

In some cultures in the ancient times it wasn't immoral and was normal to have relations with a child.

Freedumb wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 4:16am: Quote: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:    Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). [quote]bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:    Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). I guess when you make up the rules .............

In some cultures in the ancient times it wasn't immoral and was normal to have relations with a child. [/quote]


Most cultures actually. Even in Christianity

Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

You doubting Thomas.

Can I be forgiven?.


|dev|null wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

What proof is there that JC ever existed?  What proof is there that he was the "son of God"?  None!

For a start the Romans reckon they did kill JC, only the Christians think he was the son of god. My question still stands, If he did not exist can the Abrahamic religions finally be proven to be a lie?

Hb this is not a question I feel you are able to answer. You are a racist bigot. This is a question about truth not a fallacy you and Brian are able to feed on. Best go away little boys!

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

And his father married a 12 year old.

True story. The manger, three wise men, the lot - Joseph ran off with 12 year old Mary.

Lucky he did, eh? If it wasn’t for their stealth, Herod may well have drowned baby Jesus.

What do you think of the world your prophet grew up in, Sprint?

Sorry, you don’t think.

Adamant wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 4:09pm: You doubting Thomas. Can I be forgiven?.

You are forgiven

with very much love

and so it is

according to the divine plan

namaste

plutarchs lives of the romans describes a jewish 'messiah' executed by the romans on behalf of the jews. not that I'm a believer, but the bible makes it quite clear that Jesus died a virgin.hot load, discourse on Jesus in the same way others here discourse on mohammad; references please.

Karnal wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D And his father married a 12 year old. True story. The manger, three wise men, the lot - Joseph ran off with 12 year old Mary.

There is no biblical or other evidence for this, Stupid 1 and Stupid 2, so none of it is even remotely part of Christianity.
There is koranic support for Mohammed’s conduct and it is closely followed by his votaries.
Christianity and Islam and especially Christ and Mohammed could hardly be more different.

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

plutarchs lives of the romans describes a jewish 'messiah' executed by the romans on behalf of the jews. not that I'm a believer, but the bible makes it quite clear that Jesus died a virgin.hot load, discourse on Jesus in the same way others here discourse on mohammad; references please.

There is no mention of Plutarch as an accurate source on the supposed life of Jesus.  What is mentioned is remarkably slim.  Much less than there is about Mohammed.  Even more importantly, there is no evidence either way that he was a virgin or a hedonist.  Personally, I'd say he had sex like every other human being does if they can.  Mary Magdalene was a Prostitute, he associated with her, it was more than likely they f.ucked like bunnies in my opinion.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:19pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D And his father married a 12 year old. True story. The manger, three wise men, the lot - Joseph ran off with 12 year old Mary. There is no biblical or other evidence for this, Stupid 1 and Stupid 2, so none of it is even remotely part of Christianity. There is koranic support for Mohammed’s conduct and it is closely followed by his votaries. Christianity and Islam and especially Christ and Mohammed could hardly be more different.

Mary, a Teenage Bride and Mother   

Mary - Mother of Jesus
;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:19pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D And his father married a 12 year old. True story. The manger, three wise men, the lot - Joseph ran off with 12 year old Mary. There is no biblical or other evidence for this, Stupid 1 and Stupid 2, so none of it is even remotely part of Christianity. There is koranic support for Mohammed’s conduct and it is closely followed by his votaries. Christianity and Islam and especially Christ and Mohammed could hardly be more different. Mary, a Teenage Bride and Mother    Mary - Mother of Jesus ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Evidence, stupid, evidence.

So, you're denying that the custom in that period was for girls to marry in their early teens, Soren?   On what evidence?   ::)

I think the point is that Joseph was a jew. Even though Jesus was a jew he represented a new way of thinking. Muslims and muslim apologists take this 'the jews did it too, sir' defence. However, Australia is largely a Christian country. I wish muslims and muslim apologists would stick to the facts.

Jesus said unto his Jewish People from upon the Cross
"Wait till my little brother Hitler gets yas - ya barstards!"
;)
...of course there was such a man.

As for a 9 year old female. Well, 'back then' when the Holy Books were written - the life spans were very much shorter and women developed earlier. To us now, it seems abhorrant that a 9 year old girl is being 'sexed', but back then. Most people only lived to around 40 years of age.
...unless you were a Ranga called Ramses II who lived to 130 and thus had all the time in the world to build all of those structures in the name of Art defeating Military.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

So, you're denying that the custom in that period was for girls to marry in their early teens, Soren?   On what evidence?   ::)

1. Not all of them married that early.
2. In any case, there is NO EVIDENCE for her age.
3. As a result of NO EVIDENCE, there is no Christian doctrine similar to Islamic custom that follows Muhammed documented example, to marry of pubescent or pre-pubescent girls as a matter of religious observance.

So there is absolutely no Christian parallel with Mohammed's example of marrying a nine year old and knowing her carnally at 12. SO today this is a Muslim custom on Koranic grounds but not a Christian custom and where ever it happens it is NOT on the grounds of Christian doctrine, or any emulation of example set by Mary or Christ because there is NO such example.

You are a totally dishonest numpty by pretending that you do not see the distinction.

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:25am:

I think the point is that Joseph was a jew. Even though Jesus was a jew he represented a new way of thinking. Muslims and muslim apologists take this 'the jews did it too, sir' defence. However, Australia is largely a Christian country. I wish muslims and muslim apologists would stick to the facts.

me too, or answer questions

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:07pm: So, you're denying that the custom in that period was for girls to marry in their early teens, Soren?   On what evidence?   ::) 1. Not all of them married that early. 2. In any case, there is NO EVIDENCE for her age. 3. As a result of NO EVIDENCE, there is no Christian doctrine similar to Islamic custom that follows Muhammed documented example, to marry of pubescent or pre-pubescent girls as a matter of religious observance. So there is absolutely no Christian parallel with Mohammed's example of marrying a nine year old and knowing her carnally at 12. SO today this is a Muslim custom on Koranic grounds but not a Christian custom and where ever it happens it is NOT on the grounds of Christian doctrine, or any emulation of example set by Mary or Christ because there is NO such example. You are a totally dishonest numpty by pretending that you do not see the distinction.

It could of been in christian doctrine, but the bible has been tampered with, deleted, passages removed, full of mistakes and contradictions etc etc.

The bible of today is not 100% god word.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:25am: I think the point is that Joseph was a jew. Even though Jesus was a jew he represented a new way of thinking. Muslims and muslim apologists take this 'the jews did it too, sir' defence. However, Australia is largely a Christian country. I wish muslims and muslim apologists would stick to the facts. me too, or answer questions

You have also shown that you dont base your posts on facts but base it on rubbish and jibberish.

Soren wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 4:23pm: Soren wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 2:46pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 8:19pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D And his father married a 12 year old. True story. The manger, three wise men, the lot - Joseph ran off with 12 year old Mary. There is no biblical or other evidence for this, Stupid 1 and Stupid 2, so none of it is even remotely part of Christianity. There is koranic support for Mohammed’s conduct and it is closely followed by his votaries. Christianity and Islam and especially Christ and Mohammed could hardly be more different. Mary, a Teenage Bride and Mother    Mary - Mother of Jesus ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D Evidence, stupid, evidence.

Not so much evidence but...

Considering the life expectancy 2000 years ago and considering his mother was still alive when he was crucified at 33 it suggests that she would have been a young teenage mother

wally1 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:39am:

It could of been in christian doctrine, but the bible has been tampered with, deleted, passages removed, full of mistakes and contradictions etc etc.

As the quran is based on the bible and, as you stated, its full of mistakes and contradictions, the Koran must be the same. Well done wally

Adamant wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:39am: It could of been in christian doctrine, but the bible has been tampered with, deleted, passages removed, full of mistakes and contradictions etc etc. As the quran is based on the bible and, as you stated, its full of mistakes and contradictions, the Koran must be the same. Well done wally

All of them are the same frankly.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

So, you're denying that the custom in that period was for girls to marry in their early teens,?

Muhammad was in his early 20's when he married that filthy rich Cougar called Khadija who was in her 40's, they were married for about 25 years.

When Muhammad became a self proclaimed profit from God he took much younger wives like Aisha who was 6 when they married.

wally1 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:39am:

the bible has been tampered with, deleted, passages removed, full of mistakes and contradictions etc etc. The bible of today is not 100% god word.

The Quran has also been tampered with, where is the verse on stoning for adultery?

The Quran is full of mistakes and contradicitions, of course muslims will deny the contradictions in the Quran because the fine print says it is not from Allah if there are contradictions.
quran.com/4/82
The Quran allows alcohol,why do muslims avoid it, if there is a verse outlawing alcohol is that a contradiction?
quran.com/16/67

The Quran is not the word of God, the Quran was made into a book 23 years after Muhammad died by the Caliph Uthman, Allah had nothing to do with the creation of the Quran that book is 100% man made.

If Allah was capable of creating life why was he incapable of making a book, if you were creating a religion today would your god have a book-stone tablets or an IPAD?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:07pm: So, you're denying that the custom in that period was for girls to marry in their early teens,?    Muhammad was in his early 20's when he married that filthy rich Cougar called Khadija who was in her 40's, they were married for about 25 years. When Muhammad became a self proclaimed profit from God he took much younger wives like Aisha who was 6 when they married.

Uh-oh. Mohammed didn’t get the memo...
Shurely shome mishtake.


Brain, you are so good at explaing away all sorts of thing, please do your stuff.

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:08pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2014 at 11:07pm: So, you're denying that the custom in that period was for girls to marry in their early teens,?    Muhammad was in his early 20's when he married that filthy rich Cougar called Khadija who was in her 40's, they were married for about 25 years. When Muhammad became a self proclaimed profit from God he took much younger wives like Aisha who was 6 when they married. Uh-oh. Mohammed didn’t get the memo... Shurely shome mishtake. Brain, you are so good at explaing away all sorts of thing, please do your stuff.

Khadija like Aisha lived into her 60's so there is no evidence of a need to marry because you died young.

How many old cougars can land a toyboy in the Islamic world these days, is there any evidence of cougars marrying toyboys in Islam today?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.

Where the hell did you get this from?


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He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Bathing with them? Young virile men? You make it up as you go.

Is that in the same haddith that extols the virtues of camel urine?

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

All of them are the same frankly.

I agree!

Wally 1 now agrees also. He has asked a Christian friend which Church he attends so he can see the light! Just got a pm from him confirming it.


Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Is that in the same haddith that extols the virtues of camel urine?

Yes its most efficacious in every case, according to the original Morehammered.

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:25am:

I think the point is that Joseph was a jew. Even though Jesus was a jew he represented a new way of thinking. Muslims and muslim apologists take this 'the jews did it too, sir' defence. However, Australia is largely a Christian country. I wish muslims and muslim apologists would stick to the facts.

Be good if Islamophobes did as well and didn't attempt to project 21st century Western values onto 15th Century Arab society.   ::)

Adamant wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 3:58pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ I read the other day an historian claimed that JC did not exist. If this is so proven what will happen to the last prophets take on things. Will the Abrahamic religions finally be proven to be a lie?

No genuine historian would seriously claim that "Jebuz" is a real person. It's very much conclusive that "Jebuz" was nothing more than a storybook character. You know, the bible story, which is held in the same respect as the one about talking snakes. Or how the "whole world" flooded and only Noah and his family were able to repopulate the earth.

Because, people, had there been people seriously contending that Jebuz could do magic at his own command, then lords and authority figures would have pulled up and made use of Jebuz's abilities. But they didn't. And even if it was a post execution revelation to authorities that he could do something that wild, then they (anyone who cared enough) would have taken more care with his burial to mark the moment more officially. None of this waiting until America's ancestors were bullied enough leave Europe, and revive the religion in greater numbers during the 1500s to 1700s in America, making an effort to give the religion credibility.

Archival records of the census taken in Jesus' birth year in the vatican. Depictions in Roman histories such as 'the annals' by Tacitus and 'lives' by Plutarch. Four witness accounts in the New Testament. Jewish history. Islamic history. I think you would have a harder time proving Columbus or Shakespeare existed. Let's not confuse the nonsense of the miracles with the strong evidence of Jesus' birth/death.
As for projecting Christian values onto Muslims, if I was ever to do that in Rihad, may my head be quickly separated from my shoulders.

Why Are The Ancient Historians Silent About Jesus?  Why, indeed?  Perhaps because he never existed? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 2:04am:

Because, people, had there been people seriously contending that Jebuz could do magic at his own command, then lords and authority figures would have pulled up and made use of Jebuz's abilities. But they didn't.

Thats about the most unconvincing "proof" you could have come up with.

The reality:


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There is near unanimity among scholars that Jesus existed historically, although biblical scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the parts of his life that have been recorded in the Gospels.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][2] While scholars have sometimes criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness,[15] with very few exceptions, such critics do support the historicity of Jesus, and reject the theory that Jesus never existed, known as the Christ myth theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

In all likelihood Joshua ben Joseph existed.

The main point is wether he was the messiah and Son of God.

The virgin birth, death and resurrection are a complete copyright infringement of the story of the Egyptian god Horus.

Even the circumstances of his birth, no room at the inn, born in a manger seems unlikely.

Bethlehem was the birthplace of Joseph and being from a family of good Jewish faith would not put his family up in an inn when other family would open their doors to them.

They went to Bethlehem because of the census (which btw was held in 6 A.D.) which according to gospel of Luke And all went to be registered, each to his own town.

There is also theological reasons the Nazarene being born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 offers the prophecy that it will be from Bethlehem that a new David will come, "one who is to rule Israel, whose origin is from of old. . . ." Christians believe the Nazarene being born in Bethlehem fulfills this prophecy.

According to the gospels of Matthew and Luke, the Nazarene was born during the reign of Herod the Great. But as stated the census has been dated 6 A.D. ten years after Herod the Great died in 4 B.C.

So while there is no doubt the man existed, his divinity is open to interpretation.

Of course there is doubt he existed.  There is no record of his existence except by a tiny number of Roman and Jewish "historians" who offer no evidence except the report of rumour.   :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gandalf, I finally agree with you on something. Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying Muhammad didn't exist. Ignorant, eh?

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Gandalf, I finally agree with you on something. Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying Muhammad didn't exist. Ignorant, eh?

No, there is considerable documentation proving the existence of Muhammad, none beyond hearsay which shows Jesus existed.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Gandalf, I finally agree with you on something. Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying Muhammad didn't exist. Ignorant, eh? No, there is considerable documentation proving the existence of Muhammad, none beyond hearsay which shows Jesus existed.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

and the koran talks about Jesus.
So is the koran faulty ?

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:38pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  Where the hell did you get this from?

Same place most of the claims about Muhammad come from!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D


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[quote] He also consorted with a group of young, virile men, bathing with them in the Sea of Galillee.  I wonder what they got up to?    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Bathing with them? Young virile men? You make it up as you go. [/quote]

Surely you, an avowed, devoted Christian have heard of Jesus and his apostles?  How they went fish and swimming in the Sea of Galilee?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:44pm: Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Gandalf, I finally agree with you on something. Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying Muhammad didn't exist. Ignorant, eh? No, there is considerable documentation proving the existence of Muhammad, none beyond hearsay which shows Jesus existed.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D and the koran talks about Jesus. So is the koran faulty ?

Of course it is.  So is the Bible.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

No, there is considerable documentation proving the existence of Muhammad, none beyond hearsay which shows Jesus existed

Have you missed the evolvement of this thread HB?

If Jesus (whether the son of god or not) did not exist the Koran would be a lie.The immutable word of God and all that. That's why he is revered by Muslims. He is mentioned as a Prophet in that book more times than Mohammed.

I believe that JC existed, indeed have no problem with it. He is not the son of god however.

If you wish to prove that the Koran is not the imutable word of god then look at Moses, mentioned (136 times) in the Koran more than all other Jewish prophets (cornerstone Ibrahim only 69)he however did not exist. Nor did Abraham.

As this thread is turning interesting Gandalf how about starting a new one regarding the veracity of the Koran

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:38pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 6th, 2014 at 3:03pm: Jesus Christ slept with Mary Magdelene, a prostitute.  Where the hell did you get this from? Same place most of the claims about Muhammad come from!   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

So you have no independent though of your own.

Thanks for owning up to being a shallow grimacer with no actual argument, points, evidence, insight - nothing but a row of swivel eyes and gibberish.

Hot Load, is you're problem that a hippie-fisherman/faith healer existed 2000 years ago or the fact that he didn't have sex with little girls?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 2:03pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:44pm: Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:49pm: Gandalf, I finally agree with you on something. Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying Muhammad didn't exist. Ignorant, eh? No, there is considerable documentation proving the existence of Muhammad, none beyond hearsay which shows Jesus existed.    ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D and the koran talks about Jesus. So is the koran faulty ? Of course it is.  So is the Bible.   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

thanks

Animal Mutha wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 3:11am:

Archival records of the census taken in Jesus' birth year in the vatican. Depictions in Roman histories such as 'the annals' by Tacitus and 'lives' by Plutarch. Four witness accounts in the New Testament. Jewish history. Islamic history. I think you would have a harder time proving Columbus or Shakespeare existed. Let's not confuse the nonsense of the miracles with the strong evidence of Jesus' birth/death. As for projecting Christian values onto Muslims, if I was ever to do that in Rihad, may my head be quickly separated from my shoulders.

Yeah, yeah, sure! Not likely. Doesn't the vatican have people subscribing to the concept of talking snakes, and parted seas at the will of a slave leader, and floods in which only two of each species survive, and miraculous multiplication of bread and fish? Because, those sorts of concepts lead normal people to think of crazy people being counterproductive.
And as for those witnesses, I can come up with four witnesses to testify to anything wild, yet not have to prove their point for others. Does that make them valid arguments?
I would write history essays, and reference the works of authors who I have never met, about issues that I have never witnessed. The whole point about the essays were not to write a direct account of what happened. But, rather to argue about the characteristic issues surrounding the historical topic. Had any or all of the historians been inaccurate in their writing, it wouldn't be for the modern observer to know. Ergo, a person claiming that a biblical character is real, based on other biblical characters' (whose identity can't be legitimised) claims of existence, does not give credibility to person making the assertion.
In regards to ridiculing Columbus and Shakespeare's existence, I'm sure that there are a bunch of Americans and Englishmen who could track down the details recorded of their lives, quite accurately. But if you want to go down that path, I'm sure you would make my point about Jebuz's lack of existence a lot stronger.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:04am: Because, people, had there been people seriously contending that Jebuz could do magic at his own command, then lords and authority figures would have pulled up and made use of Jebuz's abilities. But they didn't. Thats about the most unconvincing "proof" you could have come up with.

You're stuck in the "having to find actual proof of Jebuz's existence" camp. So, I doubt you have any ammo to fire at my inference.

So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason.

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason.

Who are you addressing with your comment?   ::)

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason.

I don't know to whom you are directing that missive. But I'm assuming to be the recipient since you are directing it to my side of the camp. I don't blindly accept that Jebuz existed, based on the fact that I haven't seen any evidence that strongly suggest that he exists.

Much like I don't believe in the Harry Potter character from Joanne Rowling's novels to have ever existed. Both Jebuz and Harry Potter only exist as storybook characters. But, if we time travelled 2000 years into the future, could there be a chance that Harry Potter might have been considered a real person from the year 1995? Conceived from the JK Rowling magic pen, as she sat in a beverage bar drinking magic coffee. Could you atleast consider that Jebuz is just a fictional character, as much as Harry Potter? For example, both characters may have done a lot to help people's motivation to read and imagine?

I will have a look through youtube videos on the subject and see what other crap comes up about your side of the story. Until then, keep us posted as to who the post of yours was directed.

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason.

Cowards attack Christianity.
It makes them look cool amongst the immature and they won't get murdered as Van Gogh did for criticising islam.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 6:04am: So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason. Cowards attack Christianity. It makes them look cool amongst the immature and they won't get murdered as Van Gogh did for criticising islam.

Perhaps Christians need a little criticism because they are so fond of dishing it out, Sprint?   ::)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 6:04am: So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason. Cowards attack Christianity.

Better report them, Sprint.

The brave attack Islam, eh?

Onward Christian soldiers.

Adamant wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:44pm: No, there is considerable documentation proving the existence of Muhammad, none beyond hearsay which shows Jesus existed Have you missed the evolvement of this thread HB?

No.  Why do you assume that?  I've seen declarations about the existence of JC but virtually no proof.  I demand to see proof of his existence!  Otherwise he's just another myth that foolish people have chose to believe in.  Another opiate the establishment feed them to keep them quiet and docile. 


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If Jesus (whether the son of god or not) did not exist the Koran would be a lie.The immutable word of God and all that. That's why he is revered by Muslims. He is mentioned as a Prophet in that book more times than Mohammed. I believe that JC existed, indeed have no problem with it. He is not the son of god however. If you wish to prove that the Koran is not the imutable word of god then look at Moses, mentioned (136 times) in the Koran more than all other Jewish prophets (cornerstone Ibrahim only 69)he however did not exist. Nor did Abraham. As this thread is turning interesting Gandalf how about starting a new one regarding the veracity of the Koran

You forget, I don't believe in Divinity.  Therefore, nothing can be divinely inspired.  So, run along.  Find me some real, solid historical evidence of the existence of this character or accept he is a myth.    ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 2:45am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:18pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:04am: Because, people, had there been people seriously contending that Jebuz could do magic at his own command, then lords and authority figures would have pulled up and made use of Jebuz's abilities. But they didn't. Thats about the most unconvincing "proof" you could have come up with. You're stuck in the "having to find actual proof of Jebuz's existence" camp. So, I doubt you have any ammo to fire at my inference.

I just hope you similarly dismiss virtually every other historical figure who ever lived.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

mrkamikaze wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 6:04am: So, we agree we're not talking about DNA, right. We talking about written records. You blindly concord with some written documents and blindly argue against others.This just points to your bias based  on hatred of the Christian faith rather than reason. Cowards attack Christianity. It makes them look cool amongst the immature and they won't get murdered as Van Gogh did for criticising islam.

Stop imbibing of that Opiate Sprint.  It's addling your brain!  Blasted cultists!  ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Do you think Mo indulged in a bit of foreplay before he penetrated the poo out of 9 year old Aisha, Hot Load?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Do you think Mo indulged in a bit of foreplay before he penetrated the poo out of 9 year old Aisha, Hot Load?

Hello, Matty/Mahdi/3d.  How are things?   ::)

Do you think Mo went anal?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 16^th, 2014 at 3:35am:

Do you think Mo went anal?

Jealous?   ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 2:45am: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:18pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 2:04am: Because, people, had there been people seriously contending that Jebuz could do magic at his own command, then lords and authority figures would have pulled up and made use of Jebuz's abilities. But they didn't. Thats about the most unconvincing "proof" you could have come up with. You're stuck in the "having to find actual proof of Jebuz's existence" camp. So, I doubt you have any ammo to fire at my inference. I just hope you similarly dismiss virtually every other historical figure who ever lived.

I'm willing to believe the possibility that a person lived 2000 years ago, in which a part of the bible was about him. And I am willing to believe the possibility that about 2000 years ago (thereabouts), that person may well have inspired hundreds of people about his message. Though, what I don't believe is the miracle parts about him, in which the 'witnesses' seemed not to care enough to make use of him. Or that these alleged miracles were so ho-hum miracles, that I don't think it worthy of my attention.

I also would not believe in a person's existence, if evidence came forward that the person was a fraud in a historical context. It isn't as though I really value someone who I haven't met, or who has directly impacted on my life.

Do you think Mo and Aisha played with dolls after he desecrated her little body?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:50am:

Do you think Mo and Aisha played with dolls after he desecrated her little body?

Feeling left out?  Perhaps you can buy your own dolls and play with them?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Do you think Mo wiped his greasy Arab bean on Aisha's jimmy-jams?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Do you think Mo wiped his greasy Arab bean on Aisha's jimmy-jams?

I hear there is a job going for your sort down in the Victorian Parliament.  ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Do you think Mo wiped his greasy Arab bean on Aisha's jimmy-jams?

You have some strange sexual fantasies.  ;)

Do you think Mo and Aisha ever made out while watching cartoons?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 5:34am:

Do you think Mo and Aisha ever made out while watching cartoons?

Did they draw themselves or did they hire in a Cartoonist?

Matty/Mahdi/3d/Bubba, stop trolling.  It's pointless.    ::)

Do you think Mo ever made Aisha bugger him with a barbie doll?
(I've got more)

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Do you think Mo ever made Aisha bugger him with a barbie doll? (I've got more)

I don't doubt it.  All it's doing though, is illustrating how big a troll you are.   ::)

Do you reckon Mo conned Aisha into giving him oral pleasures by telling her it's a chuppa-chup?

Do you think Bubba Zanetti will be investigated by the authorities for continuously coming up with different sexual situations involving children?

Raven wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 2:11pm:

Do you think Bubba Zanetti will be investigated by the authorities for continuously coming up with different sexual situations involving children?

He is strange with his ongoing fascination with paedophilia.   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Do you think I'll be attacked by lefatards for coming up with situations invlolving Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) and children?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Do you think I'll be attacked by lefatards for coming up with situations invlolving Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) and children?

Your ongoing fascination with them shows a prurient interest...  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Do you think I'll be attacked by lefatards for coming up with situations invlolving Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) and children?

You are doing more then that. You are inventing explicit sexual situations involving an adult and a child.

Although you are framing it as an attack on Muhammad it is your mind coming up with the various examples you have submitted.

Paedophilia is abhorrent and although you think you are being clever by making your little 'jokes' in actual fact you are cheapening yourself and your argument.

What's a "lefatard"?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 21^st, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 21st, 2014 at 2:45pm: Do you think I'll be attacked by lefatards for coming up with situations invlolving Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) and children? Your ongoing fascination with them shows a prurient interest...  ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

bubbas comments are not funny at all.
Far from it.

Pointless and vulgar.