Abbott creates new laws which allow ASIO to encourage terrorism.

ASIO wil now go around telling young men to attack Australia:


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Will agencies like ASIO be above the law? The new legislation provides legal immunity for ASIO officers engaged in activities designated by the Attorney-General as special intelligence operations...ASIO officers and agents will pretend to be terrorists and even establish fake terrorist groups... http://www.smh.com.au/national/national-security-laws-the-questions-you-were-too-nervous-to-ask-in-case-asio-was-listening-20141004-10q7ud.html

Who'd have thunk it......if you follow the devil.

Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

There is a sale on new brains at Woollies at the moment.

You pair should venture down and pick up a few.... ;D

Entrapment....set up Jihaislam and wait for the dumb, the silly, the demented, and the mentally lame to come along and sign up.

Yeah - that'll happen.....

One thing experience with, say, the IRA showed was the 'ability of the (sic) terrorist to swim in a sea of the people', and one of the intense security issues confronting the West in dealing with Islamic terrorism is the simple fact that they all know one another etc.  Very difficult to penetrate and very difficult to 'turn' any 'terrorist' and make of him/her a front for an organisation that will welcome potential killer and then arrest them or use them to gain access deeper into the terrorist population out there - information gathering.

How many Jihad Joe's would NOT know that their cousin, Abulkar, works for the government?  How many Aussie copper types can effectively masquerade as Islamics bent on terrorism?

Any sudden influx of strangers would be viewed with suspicion, and any sudden increase in terrorist jargon would be strange to say the least.

These are pretty closed communities.

Maybe Tony is considering the use of Death Squads instead.... CT groups operating under the same rules - No Rules or Rule Nine Millimetre.

Don't you watch the movies Grap?  The goodies go under cover and infiltrate the baddies and save the world.....

Get with it  :-?

A group committed to one purpose is called a club.  Clubs having criminal purpose are LNP banned in QLD under punishment of imprisonment.

Federal LNPs oppose this with Federal Employees being paid to set up such criminal clubs.

Does make you wonder!

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Abbott creates new laws which allow ASIO to encourage terrorism. ASIO wil now go around telling young men to attack Australia: Quote: Will agencies like ASIO be above the law? The new legislation provides legal immunity for ASIO officers engaged in activities designated by the Attorney-General as special intelligence operations...ASIO officers and agents will pretend to be terrorists and even establish fake terrorist groups... http://www.smh.com.au/national/national-security-laws-the-questions-you-were-too-nervous-to-ask-in-case-asio-was-listening-20141004-10q7ud.html

As the old saying goes- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

This is no different to what the Police do with undercover work catching criminals,drug dealers,etc.

Are you saying muslims should be treated differently TM?

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

A group committed to one purpose is called a club.  Clubs having criminal purpose are LNP banned in QLD under punishment of imprisonment. Federal LNPs oppose this with Federal Employees being paid to set up such criminal clubs. Does make you wonder!

Yes I wonder at your lack of perception.... :D

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:33pm: A group committed to one purpose is called a club.  Clubs having criminal purpose are LNP banned in QLD under punishment of imprisonment. Federal LNPs oppose this with Federal Employees being paid to set up such criminal clubs. Does make you wonder! Yes I wonder at your lack of perception.... :D

Loser!

Hope they don't use the AFP handbook......

Media storm
In the wake of the raids, it was widely reported that AFP officers had confiscated a sword for forensic testing, with some stories picturing the ceremonial sword sealed inside a federal police evidence bag. In the context of an alleged plot to "behead" a random victim, ordered by one of the most senior Australians serving with Islamic State forces, Mohammad Ali Baryalei, the sword appeared to be a weapon.

The Daily Mail Australia linked it directly to the beheading plot under the headline: "Was this the lethal sword terror cell planned to use to behead an innocent victim on a Sydney street?"

The Daily Telegraph set the beheading plot claim beside the discovery of the sword.

Many articles by Fairfax Media described the sword as large and curved with a gold handle and engraved with Arabic writing. Police did not explain to the media at the time that the sword was plastic.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sword-removed-in-counterterrorism-raids-a-common-plastic-decoration-owner-reveals-20141007-10r7nj.html#ixzz3FXDCMzOZ

:D

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Don't you watch the movies Grap?  The goodies go under cover and infiltrate the baddies and save the world..... Get with it  :-?

There is a difference between entrapment where an undercover police person joins in for the ride until they make their arrest and agent provocateurs who entice others to commit a crime so they can arrest them, which in and of itself can be a crime.  That's why (I suspect) abbott is legislating. To allow police to be agent provocateurs and to have immunity for what would otherwise be criminal behavior. There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for and won that even the king was not above the law.  They are dismantling what little democracy we have. If the founders of the US constitution were here to witness this they would be horrified for they were rightfully wary of how easily the power of the state could be abused.  We have certainly entered such a time now.   

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There is a difference between entrapment where an undercover police person joins in for the ride until they make their arrest and agent provocateurs who entice others to commit a crime so they can arrest them, which in and of itself can be a crime.

I have no idea about actual "entrapment" laws and rules here, but I suspect that in reality that they're like unicorns - i.e. mythical, and have nothing to do with reality - that they're more the stuff of US cop shows on TV.

*just googled - no such thing here.

Breaking News......

Just added to list of suspects who are on watch alert.

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ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

. There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for

...yes and then we discovered 'political correctness'.

Now we are too scared to fight in case we upset someone.

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:36pm: . There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for    ...yes and then we discovered 'political correctness'. Now we are too scared to fight in case we upset someone.

Sorry, let me get this clear.  You're too scared to speak you're mind because others might accuse you of being politically incorrect.  Wow, what an oppressive society it is. How could you bear it? 

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:14pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:36pm: . There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for    ...yes and then we discovered 'political correctness'. Now we are too scared to fight in case we upset someone. Sorry, let me get this clear.  You're too scared to speak you're mind because others might accuse you of being politically incorrect.  Wow, what an oppressive society it is. How could you bear it?

Nope, 70 odd years ago ground troops would sweep through Iraq & Syria and put ISIS to the bayonet and not worry about whinging limpy lefties


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWlAKdlQp4

;D

Life_goes_on wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:58pm:

Quote: There is a difference between entrapment where an undercover police person joins in for the ride until they make their arrest and agent provocateurs who entice others to commit a crime so they can arrest them, which in and of itself can be a crime. I have no idea about actual "entrapment" laws and rules here, but I suspect that in reality that they're like unicorns - i.e. mythical, and have nothing to do with reality - that they're more the stuff of US cop shows on TV. *just googled - no such thing here.

The defence of entrapment does not exist here. That is, absolving the defendant of the offence because he/she was induced to commit it by the police officer.  That's different to authorising or granting immunity to police officers to engage in criminal activity for the purpose of catching terrorists and it appears from the SMH article that that is what this legislation does. Now you can excuse it by saying that that really only happens in the movies but I dont think the government is going to enact that legislation if it doesn't intend to use it. In this climate of Aust government induced terror I expect the docile Aust public will simply wear it. This is a well known phenomena; Salami tactics, take away your rights, slice by slice.      

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:14pm: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:36pm: . There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for    ...yes and then we discovered 'political correctness'. Now we are too scared to fight in case we upset someone. Sorry, let me get this clear.  You're too scared to speak you're mind because others might accuse you of being politically incorrect.  Wow, what an oppressive society it is. How could you bear it?  Nope, 70 odd years ago ground troops would sweep through Iraq & Syria and put ISIS to the bayonet and not worry about whinging limpy lefties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWlAKdlQp4 ;D

Not sure how this changes anything. You're saying that it's the "limpy lefties" whinging at you and accusing you of being politically incorrect that's making you too scared to fight for what you believe. There there, maybe you can change the law to get your nanny state to come and bash up those big bad limpy lefties for you. 

Fear not beloved ones.

You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

namaste

The way the FBI operates under these rules is that it sends people out to tell young impressionable men that they have a duty to attack the US. Then if one of these impressionable young men acts on this incitement, they are supposed to be arrested.

Now, when one of these men actually bombs a train station or such, after being told to so by the undercover spooks, the government will never tell you that the whole idea was cooked up by them in the first place.

The spy agencies invent terror threats to justify their own existence and funding increases.

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[quote]The ex-FBI informant with a change of heart: 'There is no real hunt. It's fixed' Craig Monteilh...was involved in one of the most controversial tactics: the use of "confidential informants" in so-called entrapment cases. This is when suspects carry out or plot fake terrorist "attacks" at the request or under the close supervision of an FBI undercover operation using secret informants... ...In the case of the Newburgh Four – where four men were convicted for a fake terror attack on Jewish targets in the Bronx – a confidential informant offered $250,000, a free holiday and a car to one suspect for help with the attack. In the case of the Fort Dix Five, which involved a fake plan to attack a New Jersey military base, one informant's criminal past included attempted murder, while another admitted in court at least two of the suspects later jailed for life had not known of any plot... ...Monteilh says..."The way the FBI conducts their operations, It is all about entrapment … I know the game, I know the dynamics of it. It's such a joke, a real joke. There is no real hunt. It's fixed," he said... ...Monteilh has regrets now about his involvement in a scheme called Operation Flex...Monteilh said the FBI should publicly apologise for his fruitless quest to root out Islamic radicals in Orange County..."They don't have the humility to admit a mistake," he said. ...Under the supervision of two FBI agents the muscle-bound fitness instructor created a fictitious French-Syrian alter ego, called Farouk Aziz. In this disguise in 2006 Monteilh started hanging around mosques in Orange County...and pretended to convert to Islam. ...the FBI...told Monteilh to act like a radical himself to lure out Islamist sympathizers. Yet, far from succeeding, Monteilh eventually so unnerved Orange County's Muslim community that that they got a restraining order against him. In an ironic twist, they also reported Monteilh to the FBI: unaware he was in fact working undercover for the agency... ....Posing as Farouk Aziz he would infiltrate local mosques and Islamic groups around Orange County. "Paul Allen said: 'Craig, you are going to be our computer worm..." Monteilh said. The operation began simply enough. Monteilh started hanging out at mosques, posing as Aziz, and explaining he wanted to learn more about religion. In July, 2006, at the Islamic Center of Irvine, he converted to Islam. Monteilh also began attending other mosques, including the Orange County Islamic Foundation. Monteilh began circulating endlessly from mosque to mosque, spending long days in prayer or reading books or just hanging out in order to get as many people as possible to talk to him. "Slowly I began to wear the robes, the hat, the scarf and they saw me slowly transform and growing a beard...[my FBI handlers] said: 'OK, now start to ask questions'."... ...Monteilh would talk of his curiosity over the concepts of jihad and what Muslims should do about injustices in the world, especially where it pertained to American foreign policy. He talked of access to weapons, a possible desire to be a martyr and inquired after like-minded souls. It was all aimed at trapping people in condemning statements. "The skill is that I am going to get you to say something. I am cornering you to say "jihad"," he said. ...Monteilh said he sometimes wore a secret video recorder sewn into his shirt. At other times he activated an audio recorder on his key rings. Monteilh left his keys in offices and rooms in the mosques that he attended in the hope of recording conversations that took place when he was not there... ...He said the FBI had two basic aims. Firstly, they aimed to uncover potential militants. Secondly, they could also use any information Monteilh discovered – like an affair or someone being gay – to turn targeted people into becoming FBI informants themselves. None of it seemed to unnerve his FBI bosses...At one hotel meeting, agent Kevin Armstrong explained the FBI attitude towards the immense breadth of Operation Flex – and any concerns over civil rights – by saying simply: "Kevin is God."... ... In 2009 the FBI brought a case against Ahmad Niazi, an Afghan immigrant in Orange County. The evidence included secret recordings...that was Monteilh's work and he outed himself to the press to the shock of the very Muslims he had been spying on who now realised that Farouk Aziz – the radical they had reported to the FBI two years earlier – had in fact been an undercover FBI operative. Now Monteilh says he set Niazi up and the FBI was trying to blackmail the Afghani into being an informant. "I built the whole relationship with Niazi. Through my coercion we talked about jihad a lot," he said. The FBI's charges against Niazi were indeed later dropped... ...FBI operatives with profiles similar to Monteilh's – of a lengthy criminal record, desire for cash and a flexibility with the truth – have led to high profile cases of alleged entrapment that have shocked civil rights groups across America. In most cases the informants have won their prosecutions and simply disappeared. Monteilh is the only one speaking out... www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/20/fbi-informant

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On May 20, 2009, four Muslim men from upstate Newburgh were arrested by the FBI and charged with plotting to bomb two Jewish synagogues in The Bronx and shoot missiles at military supply planes at Stewart International Airport. The FBI and NYPD claimed they caught the infamous “Newburgh Four” red-handed. But was the sting really a setup, and were the men more guilty of simple greed than terrorism? Those are the questions “The Newburgh Sting,” an HBO documentary premiering Monday at 9 p.m., seeks to answer. It was directed and produced by Emmy Award winners Kate Davis and David Heilbroner. When Pakistani-born Shahed Hussain first showed up at the Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque 60 miles north of New York City in spring 2008, worshippers took note of his fine cars and fancy clothes — much of it provided by the FBI. Hussain, convicted of fraud for helping illegal aliens get driver’s licenses and desperately trying to avoid deportation, had turned FBI informant in 2002. Hussain’s flash attracted the attention of James Cromitie, a Walmart employee and drug dealer. Conversations of hypothetical situations quickly turned into discussions of a plot to bomb synagogues in the name of Allah. At Hussain’s urging, Cromitie recruited three others: David Williams, a part-time student with a past drug rap who needed cash to get treatment for his brother’s liver cancer; Payen, a Haitian immigrant who Cromitie believed was “a little slow”; and Onta Williams, a drug dealer who had served time. None of the four men, all broke, even owned a car. Hussain promised $250,000 for a successful mission. All four men agreed to help under one condition: “We don’t want to hurt nobody,” David Williams is heard telling Hussain on FBI hidden-video footage “We want to just destroy property. We don’t want to take no lives.” The foiled terror plot was trumpeted as a “textbook example of how a major investigation should be conducted” by then-Police Commissioner Ray Kelly. But Mike German, a former FBI agent not involved in the case, told the filmmakers the sting turned the men into people they were not. “Were they the best people in society? No,” he said. “But they weren’t terrorists, and this government operation over the course of the year was specifically designed to turn them into terrorists.” http://nypost.com/2014/07/20/newburgh-four-terrorism-case-was-fbi-entrapment-hbo-film/

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[quote]Newburgh Four: poor, black, and jailed under FBI 'entrapment' tactics In June, four men were jailed for 25 years over a US terror plot. The FBI painted them as dedicated fanatics, but were they lured by the promise of cash from a fake informant? ...Shahed Hussain...was flash, drove expensive cars and treated people to gifts of cash and food. He also had radical opinions that stood out in a mosque that welcomed Shia and Sunni followers and had good relations with local Jewish and Christian communities... ...Hussain would make Newburgh's Muslim community famous when earlier this year four other black Newburgh Muslims were jailed for 25 years... Prosecutors painted them as America-hating terrorists bent on slaughter. All four followed the instructions of Hussain, who meticulously organised the scheme: from getting the missile and bombs, to reconnaissance missions, to teaching the tenets of radical Islam. The "Newburgh Four" now languish in jail. Hussain does not. For Hussain was a fake. In fact, Hussain worked for the FBI as an informant trawling mosques... ...far from being active militants, the four men he attracted were impoverished individuals struggling with Newburgh's grim epidemic of crack, drug crime and poverty. One had mental issues...[and] believed Florida was a foreign country. Hussain offered the men huge financial inducements to carry out the plot – including $250,000... As defence lawyers poured through the evidence, the Newburgh Four came to represent the most extreme form of a controversial FBI policy to use invented terrorist plots to lure targets. "There has been no case as egregious as this. It is unique in the incentive the government provided. A quarter million dollars?" said Professor Karen Greenberg, a terrorism expert at Fordham University... ...Hussain coaxed Cromitie along, eventually developing the plot to attack Riverdale and a US airbase on behalf of a Pakistani terrorist group... From then, the FBI prosecution seemed straightforward...even though the plot was fake...But it is not that simple. None of the four men fit the usual profile of a terrorist-in-waiting, let alone an active militant. But they did fit the profile of desperate men who would do anything for money – and Hussain promised massive earthly awards. For Cromitie, he proffered $250,000: a staggering sum. Hussain also offered to buy him a new BMW, a holiday in Puerto Rico, and a barber shop to set him up in his own business. The other three were also offered thousands of dollars in what must have seemed a miraculous windfall... ...Payen, of Haitian origin, was possibly schizophrenic. He urinated in bottles in his bedroom and, when told of a trip to Florida as reward, said he could not go because he had no passport. In meetings discussing the plot, Payen said little; he just devoured the copious free food Hussain bought. It is not a portrait of radical Islamists. It is a sad picture of life in an urban ghetto... ....Yet the FBI treated the gang, especially Cromitie, as dedicated fanatics... ...Cromitie seemed less a terrorist and more a blustering fantasist. Indeed, away from the company of Hussain, there is little sign Cromitie did anything for the plot. When Hussain gave him a camera and told Cromitie to reconnoitre targets, he promptly sold it. He knew little about Islam; it was Hussain who tried to educate him about jihad. Hussain complained bitterly his pupil was doing nothing. "You've not started the first step, brother. Come on," Hussain griped on tape. In fact, Cromitie tried to ditch Hussain. For weeks on end Cromitie pretended to leave Newburgh to avoid him. Cromitie ignored Hussain's phone calls, deleted voice mails and pretended not to be in when Hussain came around his house. He stopped going to the mosque. Only when Cromitie lost his job, and became desperate for money, did he contact Hussain again. "I told you, I can make you $250,000, but you don't want it, brother," Hussain told him. Now Cromitie agreed and set about finding lookouts. "Ok, bugger it. I don't care. Ah, man. Maqsood, you got me," he said, using Hussain's fake name. ven further into the plot – when Cromitie again told Hussain he did not think he could do it – Hussain said his overseas terrorist "brothers" might cut his head off. Cromitie came back on side. The sheer scale and proactive nature of Hussain's actions has shocked legal experts, Muslim groups and civil rights organisations. They say it went far beyond a fair use of resources in neutralising a real threat. Not only was the entire plot fake, but it seemed only Hussain's Islamic coaching, talk of cash rewards and constant attention was keeping it alive. Hussain was the sole personal witness for the FBI. His reports of what Cromitie had talked about were taken as truth, even though Hussain did not record the first four months of their meetings. And, once he began recording, the FBI unusually allowed him to switch the tape on and off... ...there are large, unexplained gaps in the tapes, including the final minutes of the plot itself as the bombs were put in position... www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/12/newburgh-four-fbi-entrapment-terror

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Judge Colleen McMahon – who put the Newburgh Four behind bars – slammed the FBI. "Only the government could have made a terrorist out of Mr Cromitie, a man whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in its scope," she said in court. She added: "I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition." Those comments did not appease Alicia McWilliams, David Williams's aunt. "This was a movie script, written by the FBI," she fumed. But it is hard to drum up support. Newburgh showed that for a jury the mention of the word "terrorism" can override legal concerns. It also makes campaigning for the Newburgh Four – and other Muslims caught in entrapment schemes – difficult. "Fear does that to people. When you say "terrorism", that is a powerful word... ...what were the Newburgh Four thinking? In letters sent from jail, David Williams claimed they were intent on eventually robbing Hussain. Williams had a brother in need of a liver transplant and he said he wanted cash for that. It is a story McWilliams believes... ...Some say the FBI has now softened its tactics in the wake of the fallout from Newburgh. Last month, a sting by New York police netted suspected terrorist Jose Pimentel allegedly building a bomb with the help of an NYPD informant. Yet the FBI declined to get involved. It did not consider the man a legitimate threat... www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/12/newburgh-four-fbi-entrapment-terror

Swagman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:24pm:

Don't you watch the movies Grap?  The goodies go under cover and infiltrate the baddies and save the world..... Get with it  :-?

Oh, sorry - I forgot that....

'The power of government is abused and directed to an end for which it is not constituted when employed to promote rather than to detect crime and to bring about the downfall of those who, left to themselves, might well have obeyed the law.  Human nature is weak enough and sufficiently beset by temptations without government adding to them and generating crime'.

- Justice Felix Frankfurter, US Supreme Court.

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

Abbott creates new laws which allow ASIO to encourage terrorism. ASIO wil now go around telling young men to attack Australia: Quote: Will agencies like ASIO be above the law? The new legislation provides legal immunity for ASIO officers engaged in activities designated by the Attorney-General as special intelligence operations...ASIO officers and agents will pretend to be terrorists and even establish fake terrorist groups... http://www.smh.com.au/national/national-security-laws-the-questions-you-were-too-nervous-to-ask-in-case-asio-was-listening-20141004-10q7ud.html

Better these would-be terrorists are drawn into a fake organisation and stopped before innocent people are killed than have them join a real group, wouldn't you agree? If they join this undercover group then they clearly have the potential already to do harm to innocent people and aren't so innocent themselves!

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:04pm:

Quote: Judge Colleen McMahon – who put the Newburgh Four behind bars – slammed the FBI. "Only the government could have made a terrorist out of Mr Cromitie, a man whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in its scope," she said in court. She added: "I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition." Those comments did not appease Alicia McWilliams, David Williams's aunt. "This was a movie script, written by the FBI," she fumed. But it is hard to drum up support. Newburgh showed that for a jury the mention of the word "terrorism" can override legal concerns. It also makes campaigning for the Newburgh Four – and other Muslims caught in entrapment schemes – difficult. "Fear does that to people. When you say "terrorism", that is a powerful word... ...what were the Newburgh Four thinking? In letters sent from jail, David Williams claimed they were intent on eventually robbing Hussain. Williams had a brother in need of a liver transplant and he said he wanted cash for that. It is a story McWilliams believes... ...Some say the FBI has now softened its tactics in the wake of the fallout from Newburgh. Last month, a sting by New York police netted suspected terrorist Jose Pimentel allegedly building a bomb with the help of an NYPD informant. Yet the FBI declined to get involved. It did not consider the man a legitimate threat... www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/12/newburgh-four-fbi-entrapment-terror

There has to be a potential for a would-be terrorist to join a group unaware if it's real or fake. If he was innocent & had no desire to hurt innocent people then the undercover operation would never have gotten far at all. The judge is wrong, very badly wrong.

I would correct the heading.

Abbott is not creating terrorist threats, but the LNP and he are creating terrorist cells, so that non terrorists have a learning ground and companionship of the LNP whilst learning the art!

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

I would correct the heading. Abbott is not creating terrorist threats, but the LNP and he are creating terrorist cells, so that non terrorists have a learning ground and companionship of the LNP whilst learning the art!

a)  Like training Indnesia's Karpassus in CT - more is learned about them than about us.

b)  These, once sufficiently disaffected with mainstream Australia, will not hestiate to join the Abbott Youth or the New Australian Zealot's Insurrectionary (NAZI) Party....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 12:17pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 11:38am: I would correct the heading. Abbott is not creating terrorist threats, but the LNP and he are creating terrorist cells, so that non terrorists have a learning ground and companionship of the LNP whilst learning the art! a)  Like training Indnesia's Karpassus in CT - more is learned about them than about us. b)  These, once sufficiently disaffected with mainstream Australia, will not hestiate to join the Abbott Youth or the New Australian Zealot's Insurrectionary (NAZI) Party....

Do you think they will allow new Australians to join?

Setanta wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Do you think they will allow new Australians to join?

It depends what colour they are?

Setanta wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 12:17pm: DaS Energy wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 11:38am: I would correct the heading. Abbott is not creating terrorist threats, but the LNP and he are creating terrorist cells, so that non terrorists have a learning ground and companionship of the LNP whilst learning the art! a)  Like training Indnesia's Karpassus in CT - more is learned about them than about us. b)  These, once sufficiently disaffected with mainstream Australia, will not hestiate to join the Abbott Youth or the New Australian Zealot's Insurrectionary (NAZI) Party.... Do you think they will allow new Australians to join?

Part of the LNP screening process on Nauru requires immigrants to be stable of mind and this is evaluated by voting preference!

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Don't you watch the movies Grap?  The goodies go under cover and infiltrate the baddies and save the world..... Get with it  :-? There is a difference between entrapment where an undercover police person joins in for the ride until they make their arrest and agent provocateurs who entice others to commit a crime so they can arrest them, which in and of itself can be a crime.  That's why (I suspect) abbott is legislating. To allow police to be agent provocateurs and to have immunity for what would otherwise be criminal behavior. There was a time when a great democratic principle was hard fought for and won that even the king was not above the law.  They are dismantling what little democracy we have. If the founders of the US constitution were here to witness this they would be horrified for they were rightfully wary of how easily the power of the state could be abused.  We have certainly entered such a time now.

what drivel...  you types are the gooses that read evil and subterfuge into anything and everything.  The mere notion that things might eb exactly as they appear to be never occurs to you.  This legislation is EXACTLY how undercover cops operate all the time - including immunity from prosecution for some actions.

borrow a brain from someone.  Pansi's should be fine.  She's never used it yet.

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

The way the FBI operates under these rules is that it sends people out to tell young impressionable men that they have a duty to attack the US. Then if one of these impressionable young men acts on this incitement, they are supposed to be arrested. Now, when one of these men actually bombs a train station or such, after being told to so by the undercover spooks, the government will never tell you that the whole idea was cooked up by them in the first place. The spy agencies invent terror threats to justify their own existence and funding increases.

and 911 was an inside job., right?

dope.