A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end!

"The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna"

"The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct.

"There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"!

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm

There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam


Yup,         ISIS, is ISLAM.


AND HERE IS ANOTHER 'AUTHORITY', HAVING THE SAME VIEW.....




Quote:

Professor at Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome: Islamic State not un-Islamic, “model is Muhammad himself” Nicolai Sennels      Oct 6, 2014 Where is the border between Islam and Islamism? The media says that the two are different as night and day; Islam is a religion of peace, and the Islamists have stolen the name. Others believe that Islamism represents the traditional, pure Islam, true to the Koran. This latter view is advanced, remarkably enough, by a theologian Martin Rhonheimer from a university endorsed by the Pope. He is a professor at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome and wrote an essay on this particular distinction in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung. You do not hear many official Muslim voices condemning Islamic State, says Rhonheimer. And when it finally happens, it is usually only to condemn the bestiality because it harms Islam’s reputation. The Islamic State is no heresy, but “a recurring pattern in the history of violent expansion. The model is Muhammad himself.” “Islamic State’s legitimation finds its basis in the Koran and Islamic law, the Sharia,” believes the Catholic professor. He states: “You will find no arguments within Muslim theology that can be used to condemn Islamic State’s behavior as un-Islamic.”… Martin Rhonheimer then goes through the suras in the Quran that prescribe what should happen to the conquered Christians and Jews, and points out that the Islamic State strictly adheres to these regulations. Islam would like to influence the state and society in details, emphasizes Rhonheimer.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/professor-at-pontifical-university-of-the-holy-cross-in-rome-islamic-state-not-un-islamic-model-is-muhammad-himself

Adamant wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm

Uh-oh.

Taking them at their word is Islamophobic, bigoted, racist persecution of Muslims.  Must maintain facade: Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

You reckon its good taqiyya Soren? ::) ;D :D ;)

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am: A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm Uh-oh. Taking them at their word is Islamophobic, bigoted, racist persecution of Muslims.  Must maintain facade: Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.

Depends on who started ISIS, no-one can pin point who is helping them or how they started.

Lebanese member of parliament Rifi said that assad started ISIS to destabilise lebanon.

People say the Jews control ISIS, we know that israel is providing medical care to ISIS fighters.

People say America is supporting ISIS, ISIS have US weapons and ISIS were trained by US personnell in Jordan.

ISIS was originally formed by Ex saadam baathists.

wally1 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:41am: Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am: A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm Uh-oh. Taking them at their word is Islamophobic, bigoted, racist persecution of Muslims.  Must maintain facade: Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'. Depends on who started ISIS, no-one can pin point who is helping them or how they started. Lebanese member of parliament Rifi said that assad started ISIS to destabilise lebanon. People say the Jews control ISIS, we know that israel is providing medical care to ISIS fighters. People say America is supporting ISIS, ISIS have US weapons and ISIS were trained by US personnell in Jordan. ISIS was originally formed by Ex saadam baathists.

Look at the clip at the link.

Sharuf and Elomar and the British headhacker on the beheading videos were trained by the US?
Israel is providing medical care to CAPTURED ISIL  fighters. As a moderate muslim you would have killed them after capture, like the ISIL guys did?

Are you a mainstream muslim, Wally?

There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam




http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5797928-3x4-700x933.jpg
[promotional graphic, for a public lecture, produced by Hizb ut-Tahrir]

"The West initiates another war to quash the noble Syrian revolution"








Hizb ut-Tahrir plans to hold a public lecture in Sydney on Friday,       promoting ??? the 'blessed ISLAMIC revolution' ongoing, in Iraq and Syria.

This initiative by Hibz ut-Tahrir, clearly indicates [that Hibz ut-Tahrir believes that there is] real and open support for ISIS, among many, many 'peace-loving' moslems, living here, in Australia.    !!!!!!!


Google;
The War To End A Blessed Revolution


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4259680-3x2-340x227.jpg
Uthman Badar from Islamic group Hibz ut-Tahrir


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Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir has planned to hold a public lecture in Sydney on Friday about the US-led military action in Iraq and Syria. The lecture, entitled The War To End The Blessed Revolution, will focus on the West's role in attacking the "noble Syrian revolution".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/flyer-advertises-lecture-sydney-hizb-ut-tahrir/5797936





n.b.
Hizb ut-Tahrir has stated publicly, time and time again, that its members support the re-establishment of an ISLAMIC caliphate.

But Hizb ut-Tahrir time and time again, has also emphasised that they only support the re-establishment of the caliphate, through peaceful means.

 !!!!!!!!!!

Honest!!!!                 :D

Google;
hizb ut-tahrir, working, establishment of caliphate by peaceful means



And if you believe those Hizb ut-Tahrir lies [above], you were born yesterday.         

Google;
Taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Adamant wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm

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He's not very happy is he? He should watch his blood pressure with all that weight he's carrying.

Is anybody else on here still perplexed as to why muslims hate the west and America so much...they can't say it's all about oil still surely? All the money they've made out of the west by selling us oil but they gave it all to their stupid leaders rather than invest in their country, and that's the wests fault?
Seems to me it's the muslim way, always blame someone else for their own inadequacies.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am: A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm bump

The leader of the islamic state has a BA,MA and PhD in Islamic studies, of course those with no Islamic qualifications claim to know what is Islamic or unislamic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

The Islamic state are selling captured women and children into slavery for $10-12 in Mosul,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave he was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow Muhammad's example.
Having female sex slaves is halal for muslim men-
islamqa.info/en/10382

I'm surprised there's still any debate about this. It has been well documented since Isis came to the worlds attention that they are attempting to replicate what Ol' Mo did (murder,rape beheadings,slavery etc.)

brumbie wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:38pm:

I'm surprised there's still any debate about this. It has been well documented since Isis came to the worlds attention that they are attempting to replicate what Ol' Mo did (murder,rape beheadings,slavery etc.)

What I find strange is that a muslim politician has admitted that this is Islam, the teachings of the Koran. He has admitted that IsIs is following Mo's lead.

Have you noticed that none of the muslim apologists have dared to post. Telling eh?

What a dear man. Shut em all up. Allah uh Akbar.

Yet again we see, deliberately, the erection of a strawman argument.  Islam is not monolithic.  IS's inspiration is Islam but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims.  It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.  Yet this is ignored in favour of the usual hackney myth that the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated.  What was Joseph Goebbels used to say?  "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.  It will become the truth."   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

Yet again we see, deliberately, the erection of a strawman argument.  Islam is not monolithic. IS's inspiration is Islam but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims.

How ?

How is ISIS's interpretation of Islam's message is flawed ?

Where is the teaching from a school of ISLAMIC jurisprudence, which demonstrates - SCRIPTURALLY - to everyone, that ISIS's interpretation of ISLAM's message is 'religiously' flawed !!!







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It's [ISIS] use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.

Really!!!!!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5797928-3x4-700x933.jpg

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412730103/6#6







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Yet this is ignored in favour of the usual hackney myth that the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated.  What was Joseph Goebbels used to say? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. It will become the truth."   ::) ::)

The truth ???

ISLAM and the Koran, gives sanction to every action of the ISIS cadres, THAT, is the truth.





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Jordanian politician: Islamic State’s “doctrine stems from the Qur’an and Sunnah”… “There is no such thing as ‘ISIS ideology’ — it’s Islam” Sep 10, 2014 Wherever Muhammad Bayoudh Al-Tamimi is located, he should expect a knock on his door, and Barack Obama, David Cameron, Philip Hammond, Yvette Cooper, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Rev. Professor David Thomas, and a host of other non-Muslims to walk in and explain to him that he is misunderstanding Islam, and that the Islamic State has nothing whatsoever to do with the genuine article. .....There needs to be a public discussion about this dichotomy and how it came about, and whose position is better represented among Muslim populations worldwide, as well as in light of Islamic tradition, theology and law. But that would require some honesty and balance in the public square, which doesn’t appear to be on the horizon.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/jordanian-politician-islamic-states-doctrine-stems-from-the-quran-and-sunnah-there-is-no-such-thing-as-isis-ideology-its-islam






http://img.youtube.com/vi/sjGjj6VSmSQ/0.jpg


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6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State Robert Spencer      Sep 30, 2014 Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State. In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....     At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam. [BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endorsed-as-they-condemned-the-islamic-state
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endorsed-as-they-condemned-the-islamic-state/?singlepage=true

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/0#0

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

Yet again we see, deliberately, the erection of a strawman argument.  Islam is not monolithic.  IS's inspiration is Islam but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims.  It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.  Yet this is ignored in favour of the usual hackney myth that the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated.  What was Joseph Goebbels used to say?  "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.  It will become the truth."   ::) ::)

Be good enough and point out what exactly are the misinterpretation of Islam by ISIS.
Remember, ISIS is a bunch of Muslims at war. What they are doing is exactly what Muslims at war have been doing ever since Mohammed showed them the way. There is no departure from Muslim doctrine, only fanatical adherence to it.

Other Muslims not at war may be very embarrassed by ISIS but they have not explained any misunderstandings.

That letter of imams detailing the theological errors in ISIS's conduct is very elusive. Have you seen a copy of it in English? I haven't been able to find it.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

[ISIS] use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery      is condemned almost universally.

Please watch this YT...
Jordanian-Palestinian Politician: There Is No ISIS Ideology - It's Islam                  goto 2m 05s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1koyPZ8nlrYi




Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

......the usual Islamophobes attempt to use to condemn all Muslims.   Thread after thread, it is repeated. What was Joseph Goebbels used to say? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.  It will become the truth."   ::) ::)

Brian,

Clearly, you, yourself, have been studying, and taking notes on Joseph Goebbels technique.


....'ISLAM is peace!'


....'The murderers within ISLAM's ranks are only a tiny minority of extremists!'


Honest!!!!                   :D




IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London

Rejecting ISLAM, is an insult to Allah's perfect religion.

Moslems on London streets, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right of the moslem,        ...to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"







IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.





"Nothing to see here. Move on. Move on....."

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims

How do you know that, have you spoken to "most muslims". ::)


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned.

Only by the West, not most muslims, and certainly not by this preacher of hate. ::)
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

Thread after thread, it is repeated

This is for you, and people like you. ::)


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it

Brian, no matter how many lies you tell I, nor most sane people will ever believe you. Carry on repeating them tho if you wish. Its free speech after all.

Is this free speech? ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0FcYCqo41Y

P/S Did you catch the lies, hate speech? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Adamant wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm: It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned. Only by the West, not most muslims, and certainly not by this preacher of hate. ::) http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

WATCH: Wassim Doureihi Fiery interview on ABC's Lateline over ISIS                        2014-Oct-08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxYhoOzo-Zs

Soren wrote Reply #14 - Today at 9:35am

Be good enough and point out what exactly are the misinterpretation of Islam by ISIS.

Remember, ISIS is a bunch of Muslims at war. What they are doing is exactly what Muslims at war have been doing ever since Mohammed showed them the way. There is no departure from Muslim doctrine, only fanatical adherence to it.

Other Muslims not at war may be very embarrassed by ISIS but they have not explained any misunderstandings.

bump

moses wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Soren wrote Reply #14 - Today at 9:35am Be good enough and point out what exactly are the misinterpretation of Islam by ISIS. Remember, ISIS is a bunch of Muslims at war. What they are doing is exactly what Muslims at war have been doing ever since Mohammed showed them the way. There is no departure from Muslim doctrine, only fanatical adherence to it. Other Muslims not at war may be very embarrassed by ISIS but they have not explained any misunderstandings. bump

If its islam driven then why didnt the fight during the saddam or assad era?

ISIS was said to have started by saddam loyalists and army personnell, who are not islamically driven.

It's no good trying to make excuses, muslims who commit human rights atrocities against their fellow man, all are following to the very letter islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an / hadi'th

They are the highest grade of muslim, according to the above accumulation of pure evil.

Adamant wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm

It's an absolutist version of .... Islam.

wally1 wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:05pm:

moses wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:06pm: Soren wrote Reply #14 - Today at 9:35am Be good enough and point out what exactly are the misinterpretation of Islam by ISIS. Remember, ISIS is a bunch of Muslims at war. What they are doing is exactly what Muslims at war have been doing ever since Mohammed showed them the way. There is no departure from Muslim doctrine, only fanatical adherence to it. Other Muslims not at war may be very embarrassed by ISIS but they have not explained any misunderstandings. bump If its islam driven then why didnt the fight during the saddam or assad era? ISIS was said to have started by saddam loyalists and army personnell, who are not islamically driven.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

Are you Hizbi, Wally? We should be told.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

Adamant wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:01am: A muslim said it, has to be true, watch him go off at the end! "The ISIS doctrine stems from the quran and the sunna" "The quran and the sunna constitute their ideology, doctrine and conduct. "There Is No ISIS Ideology – It's Islam"! http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4471.htm It's an absolutist version of .... Islam.

Sensei, your use of the word "version" and "absolutist" suggests you recognise there are alternative non-absolutist versions of Islam!

What does that do to your stated opposition to everything Islamic and all Muslims?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

wally1 wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:05pm: moses wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 7:06pm: Soren wrote Reply #14 - Today at 9:35am Be good enough and point out what exactly are the misinterpretation of Islam by ISIS. Remember, ISIS is a bunch of Muslims at war. What they are doing is exactly what Muslims at war have been doing ever since Mohammed showed them the way. There is no departure from Muslim doctrine, only fanatical adherence to it. Other Muslims not at war may be very embarrassed by ISIS but they have not explained any misunderstandings. bump If its islam driven then why didnt the fight during the saddam or assad era? ISIS was said to have started by saddam loyalists and army personnell, who are not islamically driven. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm Are you Hizbi, Wally? We should be told.

Are you a member of ADL Soren?  We should be told!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFbH5Zkrxo

Avoiding the question?  Typical!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

Adamant wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm: but IS's interpretation of Islam's message is considered flawed by most Muslims How do you know that, have you spoken to "most muslims". ::) Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm: It's use of Islam as an excuse for it's savagery is condemned almost universally condemned. Only by the West, not most muslims, and certainly not by this preacher of hate. ::) http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm: Thread after thread, it is repeated This is for you, and people like you. ::) Brian Ross wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm: If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it Brian, no matter how many lies you tell I, nor most sane people will ever believe you. Carry on repeating them tho if you wish. Its free speech after all. Is this free speech? ::) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0FcYCqo41Y P/S Did you catch the lies, hate speech? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Lost your fingers Brian, unable to tell further lies.

Well don brian.

Good to see YOUR GOD has stopped you.

I don't believe in God, Adamant.  It was beaten out of me a long, long time ago.

I have already addressed your belief in what MEMRI publishes.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

I don't believe in God, Adamant.  It was beaten out of me a long, long time ago. I have already addressed your belief in what MEMRI publishes.    ::)

Oh no Brian Ross you are mistaken again, for you did not!!!!!!!


Adamant wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Good to see you condone hate speech from your muslim cleric mates.  ::) Good to see you bring out more of the anti Israeli mates out of the closet too.  ::) ::) Brian Whitaker   ::) ::) ::)  http://cifwatch.com/2011/06/02/the-guardians-brian-whitaker-wants-you-to-be-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby-very-afraid/  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) http://normanfinkelstein.com/ Oh Gawd. Fear inc aka Faiz Shakir  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/nancy-pelosi-hires-former-terrorist-fundraiser/ ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) And from your own article. MEMRI argues that they are quoting the government-controlled press and not obscure or extremist publications, a fact their critics acknowledge, according to Marc Perelman: "When we quote Al-Ahram in Egypt, it is as if we were quoting The New York Times. We know there are people questioning our work, probably those who have difficulties seeing the truth. But no one can show anything wrong about our translations."[44]   :o :o :o

PS good night sandgroper, don't forget slip, slop, slap. Slip on a tee shirt slop on sunscreen slap on a tea towel. Its to do with UV ratings n all that.

Adamant wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:34pm: I don't believe in God, Adamant.  It was beaten out of me a long, long time ago. I have already addressed your belief in what MEMRI publishes.    ::) Oh no Brian Ross you are mistaken again, for you did not!!!!!!!

Oh, yes I did, Adamant.   ::)

If ISIS Is Not Islamic, then the Inquisition Was Not Catholic

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119433/if-isis-not-islamic-then-inquisition-was-not-catholic

Wonder what the christianophobes will make of that title.

here is isis following mihs traditions


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ISIS gives Yazidi women and children to fighters as prizes in horrific slave trade THE Islamic State jihadist group says that it has given Yazidi women and children captured in northern Iraq to its fighters as spoils of war, boasting it has revived slavery. The shocking development comes as researchers revealed thousands of Yazidi men in Iraq were murdered in scenes reminiscent of the Bosnian Srebrenica massacre when IS jihadists hit the Kurdish region in August. Researchers have pieced together reports of attacks and have concluded that more than 5000 Yazidi were gunned down in a series of massacres by IS fighters, the Mail Online reports. As the men were massacred, the IS captured and enslaved thousands of women and children. The latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq released on Sunday was the first clear admission by the organisation that it was holding and selling Yazidis as sex slaves. Tens of thousands of Yazidis, a minority whose population is mostly confined to northern Iraq, have been displaced by the four-month-old jihadist offensive in the region. Yazidi leaders and rights groups warned in August that the small community faced genocide and that threat was put forward by Washington as one of the main reasons for launching air strikes. Thousands of Yazidis remained trapped on a mountain near their main hub of Sinjar for days in August, while others were massacred and the fate of hundreds of missing women and children remained unclear. In an article entitled “The revival of slavery before the hour”, Dabiq argues that by enslaving people it claims hold deviant religious beliefs, IS has restored an aspect of Islamic sharia law to its original meaning. “After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the sharia amongst the fighters of the Islamic State who participated in the Sinjar operations,” the article said. “This large-scale enslavement of mushrik (polytheist) families is probably the first since the abandonment of this sharia law,” it said. “The only other known case — albeit much smaller — is that of the enslavement of Christian women and children in the Philippines and Nigeria by the mujahedeen there.” Dabiq argued that while the “people of the book” — or followers of monotheistic religions such as Christians or Jews — can be given the option of paying the “jizya” tax or convert, this did not apply to Yazidis. The Yazidi faith is a unique blend of beliefs that draws from several religions and includes the worship of a devil figure they refer to as the Peacock Angel. In a report also released on Sunday, Human Rights Watch said abducted Yazidi women were subjected to sexual assault and were being bought and sold by IS fighters. “The systematic abduction and abuse of Yazidi civilians may amount to crimes against humanity,” the New York-based watchdog said in a statement. According to interviews HRW conducted with dozens of displaced Yazidis in the autonomous region of Kurdistan last month and in early October, the jihadist group is holding at least 366 people. Accounts by some of the Yazidi women who managed to escape and two who are still being held suggest the true number could be at least three times as high. One 15-year-old girl who escaped on September 7 told HRW that the Palestinian fighter who bought her “told her with pride” that he had paid $1,000 for her. She said the fighter took her to his flat in the city of Raqa, the group’s main hub in Syria, and sexually assaulted her. Human Rights Watch said that the extent of the sexual abuse inflicted to enslaved Yazidi girls remained unclear but stressed that the stigma surrounding rape in Yazidi culture could explain the low number of first-hand accounts. “When you ask them, they were never or rarely sexually assaulted. Simply put, they are scared of being killed by their own tribe,” Hanaa Edwar, a veteran Iraqi rights activist, told AFP. “So much harm has been done. There needs to be a huge psychiatric campaign to deal with these victims,” she said.

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this is why I hate islam

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ANTHONY KLAN HIZB ut-Tahrir’s local head has called for the overhaul of Aus­tralian society into an Islamic totalitarian state...........

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surely if one islamic goes over there and dies in the fighting, they all can ?

And in other breaking news.... hundreds of millions of peaceful muslims lived out their lives like normal people today - without hurting anyone.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

And in other breaking news.... hundreds of millions of peaceful muslims lived out their lives like normal people today - without hurting anyone.

Got any proof of that Gandalf.

1 will get ya 5.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2791994/three-men-three-women-arrested-anti-terror-raids-london-south.html

‘I can’t believe it. Tamannah is a lovely woman – there was nothing radical or extreme about her'.

Adamant wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Got any proof of that Gandalf.

The world, and civilization as we know it, is still intact.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

civilization as we know it

And in the middle east life goes on as normal, or is that animal?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

And in other breaking news.... hundreds of millions of peaceful muslims lived out their lives like normal people today - without hurting anyone.

And in normal news, many muslims want to dominate the globe with islam.
Many muslims use extreme violence to get their way, as moh did.
Many muslims pretend they know nothing about that or pretend it's not really what islam is.
The ones that are doing it say this is what islam is.

It's what is stated in the Koran. It is what moh did.

If the 'moderates' are correct, they should teach the extremists.
they have had decades to do that. So far they have failed.
Perhaps they are wrong.
I have been told SO many lies by muslims by years I disbelieve anything they say.


It does not matter, extremists will continue their rhetoric and bloody actions.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

And in other breaking news.... hundreds of millions of peaceful muslims lived out their lives like normal people today - without hurting anyone.

... while the vanguard of Islam does its best to establish the caliphate, the protection of Islam from criticism, etc, etc.

You are not setting the Islamic agenda, Gandy. I would love to help you, and as I said, I will be marching with you arm in arm if you can organise a demo of Muslims for liberal democracy.
Until then you are simply watching the weak horse and the strong horse contest.

Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2014 at 1:18pm: And in other breaking news.... hundreds of millions of peaceful muslims lived out their lives like normal people today - without hurting anyone. ... while the vanguard of Islam does its best to establish the caliphate, the protection of Islam from criticism, etc, etc. You are not setting the Islamic agenda, Gandy. I would love to help you, and as I said, I will be marching with you arm in arm if you can organise a demo of Muslims for liberal democracy. Until then you are simply watching the weak horse and the strong horse contest.

oh, we should remember also the muslim charities whose funds are unaccounted for.
the Islamic schools who cheat the system and also whose funds are unaccounted for.

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German police in riot gear, accompanied by armored vehicles and water cannons, charge into a street battle between Kurds and radical Islamists in Hamburg, Oct. 8, 2014. (Image source: N24 video screenshot)



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Germany: Holy War Erupts in Hamburg by Soeren Kern October 15, 2014     "We are living in Hamburgistan." — Daniel Abdin, imam of Hamburg's Al-Nour Mosque.     One politician has been repeatedly threatened with beheading as the price to pay for leading a fundraising campaign to provide food and water for Kurds in northern Iraq.     "As a society we must ask ourselves: how can it be that people who live in Germany and... born and raised here, are supporters of a brutal, inhuman and fundamentalist group such as the IS and attack peaceful protestors with knives, sticks and machetes. Here in Germany, the IS threatens to become a refuge for frustrated young people…." — Claudia Roth, Vice-President, German Parliament.

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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Denmark: Man threatened with beheading for “support our troops” sticker Oct 14, 2014

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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Downfall of Islamized Sweden: Borrows 10,000,000 kroner per hour to finance Muslim immigration Oct 14, 2014

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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UK: Six more Muslims arrested by counter-terror police Oct 14, 2014 Good thing jihad terror has nothing to do with Islam.

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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Pakistan: Six top Taliban commanders pledge allegiance to Islamic State Oct 14, 2014 The caliphate is a might-makes-right proposition, and has been throughout Islamic history. If the Islamic State can hold power for a sustained period, more and more Muslims will pledge allegiance to it.

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But i thought that Western security/terrorism experts and Western political leaders had told us publicly, that Al-Qaeda and the Taliban had denounced ISIS as un-ISLAMIC ????




But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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US “ally” Turkey bombs Kurds opposed to the Islamic State Oct 14, 2014

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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Islamic State jihadists using U.S. tents in jihad training camp Oct 14, 2014 Your tax dollars at work. The foolish and wrongheaded venture of arming “vetted moderates” against the Islamic State is inevitably going to result in this,

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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Malaysia: Muslim group demands ban of publications promoting religious pluralism Oct 14, 2014 How did Muslim clerics who have dedicated their lives to studying Islam and understanding it properly, and who are now in a position to issue religious rulings, get the crazy idea that “liberalism and pluralism in religion is against the teachings of ISLAM ?

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'ISLAM is peace!'

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Islamic State says sex slavery is justified under Islamic law Oct 14, 2014 Is a moderate spokesman going to step up and refute the Islamic State’s case?

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But always remember...

'ISLAM is peace!'

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Turkish football coach attacked by fans after trainer’s anti-Islamic State tweets Oct 15, 2014 Everyone knows that every Muslim around the world rejects and abhors the Islamic State.

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But always remember...

The Islamic State is only a tiny minority of moslems.

And the majority of moslems condemn ISIS and what it is doing!!!!




"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P

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ISIS....     Saudi Arabia sentences Shiite cleric to be crucified Oct 15, 2014 Everyone knows that when the Islamic State crucifies people, it is practicing a bizarre extremism that has nothing to do with Islam.

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But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P

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ISIS....     UK Muslim Abu Baraa defends dhimmitude and sex slavery Oct 15, 2014

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But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P

Everyone knows that ISIS is evil and 'wrong', and un-ISLAMIC,       ...even your moslem friends!

But to criticise ISIS is “Islamophobia” - its as plain as the nose on your face!!!!!




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UK: National Union of Students move to condemn Islamic State fails amid claims of “Islamophobia” Oct 15, 2014

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But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P

Yadda wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

Everyone knows that ISIS is evil and 'wrong', and un-ISLAMIC,       ...even your moslem friends! But to criticise ISIS is “Islamophobia”

No it's not.  Who's claimed it is Yadda?  Stop erecting strawmen arguments.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 2:23pm: Everyone knows that ISIS is evil and 'wrong', and un-ISLAMIC,       ...even your moslem friends! But to criticise ISIS is “Islamophobia” No it's not. Who's claimed it is Yadda? Stop erecting strawmen arguments.

But to criticise ISIS is “Islamophobia”

Really ?



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The National Union of Students has rejected a call to condemn militant group Isis on the grounds that the motion was “islamophobic”,..... ...... .......a motion was put forward last month to the NUS National Executive Council, asking students to express “solidarity” with the Kurds in Iraq and Syria who are engaged in a bloody struggle against ISIS militants. ...... ......Ms Bouattia ['black students’ officer'] is reported to have spoken against the motion. She is reported to have said: “We recognise that condemnation of Isis appears to have become a justification for war and blatant islamophobia. This rhetoric exacerbates the issue at hand and in essence is a further attack on those we aim to defend.”

Yeah.

'those we aim to defend'

Moslems and the moslem community.


Slaughter the Kurds, slaughter the victims of ISIS - THAT IS OK.

But we leftists better not condemn ISIS!!!!!,             coz 'those we aim to defend', moslems and the moslem community, may be condemned along with ISIS and 'unfairly' associated with ISIS.

The leftists are sick b's!!

The leftists are morally corrupted, by their own uber tolerance.

Tolerance for everything - even uncritical tolerance for 'poor', 'oppressed' murderers who need their assistance.

!!!!!!!






So it is clear, that condemning ISIS, is seen by leftists and by moslems as an attack upon moslems and the moslem community.

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/uk-national-union-of-students-move-to-condemn-islamic-state-fails-amid-claims-of-islamophobia

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Several Muslims from Trinidad & Tobago have joined the Islamic State Oct 18, 2014

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Many moslem community leaders throughout the West have condemned ISIS,      ..... as being un-ISLAMIC.

And yet, moslems from the West continue to flock to join the ISIS.

I just find this really, really strange!!!!

.....that so many, many 'moderate' moslems in the West, can apparently 'misunderstand' ISLAM.      :P      :P      :P      :P      :P





But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

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'Misguided' UK moslems Islamic State jihadis target British police officers inside the UK Oct 18, 2014

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Islamic State jihadis are in the UK!!!!!!!  ?

But how can this be !!!

And how did those Islamic State jihadis get to the UK ??????



I was under the impression that ISIS jihadis only existed in Syria and Iraq!!!!         :P

But hey, what would i know!!!!






But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

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Islamic State crucifies 17-year-old boy for apostasy Oct 18, 2014

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Wow !!!!!!!

I'm glad that Mainstream moslems in the UK and Australia, have disassociated themselves from ISIS !!!!!

That crucifixion by ISIS sounds barbaric !!!!



Mainstream ISLAM....


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ISIS....     Saudi Arabia sentences Shiite cleric to be crucified Oct 15, 2014 Everyone knows that when the Islamic State crucifies people, it is practicing a bizarre extremism that has nothing to do with Islam.

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"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33iBut always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

ISIS Mainstream moslem nation, Pakistan, punishes blasphemy with death........


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Pakistan punishes blasphemy with death Oct 18, 2014

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But always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

If IS is so Islamic, why aren't there any Sh'ia Muslims pledging allegiance to it?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

If IS is so Islamic, why aren't there any Sh'ia Muslims pledging allegiance to it?

Hot_Breath,

Get a 'clue', to the answer to that question, here....

Who are the real, real moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1413731582/0#0

Don't want a "clue" Yadda, I want an answer.

So, why don't Sh'ia pledge allegiance to IS, if IS is so representative of Islam as you claim?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Don't want a "clue" Yadda, I want an answer. So, why don't Sh'ia pledge allegiance to IS, if IS is so representative of Islam as you claim?

The world id full of mysteries......

Yadda wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:51pm: Don't want a "clue" Yadda, I want an answer. So, why don't Sh'ia pledge allegiance to IS, if IS is so representative of Islam as you claim? The world id full of mysteries......

"id"?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

So, perhaps IS isn't as Islamic as you claim?  Afterall, it doesn't appeal to what, half the Muslim population? ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 2:23pm: Everyone knows that ISIS is evil and 'wrong', and un-ISLAMIC,       ...even your moslem friends! But to criticise ISIS is “Islamophobia” No it's not.  Who's claimed it is Yadda?  Stop erecting strawmen arguments.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D

If it is not evil and or wrong you will be OK.

If you are found "wrong" you will go to jail.

I reported you to the Feds.

Good look hate filled person.

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But remember that Western security/terrorism experts and Western political leaders have denounced ISIS, because it is un-ISLAMIC !!!







And always remember...

"ISLAM rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony."             :P
     - The Muslim Council of Britain

Adamant wrote on Oct 20^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 2:55pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 2:23pm: Everyone knows that ISIS is evil and 'wrong', and un-ISLAMIC,       ...even your moslem friends! But to criticise ISIS is “Islamophobia” No it's not.  Who's claimed it is Yadda?  Stop erecting strawmen arguments.   ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D If it is not evil and or wrong you will be OK. If you are found "wrong" you will go to jail. I reported you to the Feds. Good look hate filled person.

Mmm, in another thread, it's claimed that Muslims aren't in favour of Freedom of Speech and utilise intimidation to try and shut down debate.  What are you doing here, Adamant, if not exactly that?

Good luck, BTW, reporting HB to the Feds on the basis of that statement.

I wonder how they would look upon your many pronouncements against Muslims?

Anyway, as ozpolitics.com is hosted outside of Australia, the Feds have zero jurisdiction over what is posted here.   Unless you can get the authorities in Provo, Utah interested, you're just all piss and wind, Adamant but then, we already know that, don't we?   ::)