Hate blinds twittering fools from the evil truth

Miranda Devine

Wednesday,   October   08,   2014  (12:54am) 




THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State have leftists all at sea. They have made common cause with Islamism against their real foe, the Judaeo-Christian capitalist west, and it’s all a bit uncomfortable.  :)

But when even the United Nations confirms that IS is beheading, raping, enslaving and torturing innocent civilians, they still can’t bring themselves to condemn the evil in front of their eyes.

Instead they evade, distract, ignore, and attack with all sorts of false moral equivalencies, from evil Israel to the so-called “Christian” (actually agnostic) Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh.

Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march, potentially as dangerous as the communist ideology which killed 100 million people last century.

Crikey’s Bernard Keane tells us we should focus on “less glamorous subjects” than terrorism which “kills fewer Australians than even the most exotic causes of death”.  8-)

The ABC’s Jonathan Holmes pours scorn on Attorney-General George Brandis’ claim that we face an “existential threat” from the Islamo-fascists, and declares climate change is much scarier. Tell that to the beheaded Christians and Yazidis.

University of Western Sydney academic George Morgan pops up on the opinion pages of The Sydney Morning Herald to tell us Islamophobia is more of a threat than Islamist terrorism.
  :-/

Is that Brian Ross?
:o

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Hate blinds twittering fools from the evil truth Miranda Devine Wednesday,   October   08,   2014  (12:54am)  THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State have leftists all at sea. They have made common cause with Islamism against their real foe, the Judaeo-Christian capitalist west, and it’s all a bit uncomfortable.  :) But when even the United Nations confirms that IS is beheading, raping, enslaving and torturing innocent civilians, they still can’t bring themselves to condemn the evil in front of their eyes. Instead they evade, distract, ignore, and attack with all sorts of false moral equivalencies, from evil Israel to the so-called “Christian” (actually agnostic) Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh. Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march, potentially as dangerous as the communist ideology which killed 100 million people last century. Crikey’s Bernard Keane tells us we should focus on “less glamorous subjects” than terrorism which “kills fewer Australians than even the most exotic causes of death”.  8-) The ABC’s Jonathan Holmes pours scorn on Attorney-General George Brandis’ claim that we face an “existential threat” from the Islamo-fascists, and declares climate change is much scarier. Tell that to the beheaded Christians and Yazidis. University of Western Sydney academic George Morgan pops up on the opinion pages of The Sydney Morning Herald to tell us Islamophobia is more of a threat than Islamist terrorism.   :-/

George Morgan is correct, Australians are a weird mob.

No terrorist wants his mother and family blown apart as they attend the terrorist funeral.

Australians are a most unselfish lot, just show them what you want done to the family and they surely will without charge!

Cheers Miranda.

Listening to our politicians and some media, you would think that we are under siege, like French Algeria or Indochina in the 1950s, or Iraq at the height of the insurgency, plagued by daily suicide bombings. We need to take a deep breath, get a grip, and get some perspective.

Terrorism here is not an existential threat. Nazism, imperial Japan, and nuclear holocaust in the Cold War were existential threats. Terrorism in Australia is a minor irritation. Your own furniture is more likely to kill you.

I think almost everyone is appalled by the actions of IS and make no excuses for their barbaric behaviour.....This however does not mean that anyone who speaks out against Israel or the wars the West have waged in the Middle East are apologists for IS.....All acts of terror and indiscriminate killing should be condemned no matter who commits the act.....Those on the far right refuse to accept their part in creating instability in the world that have allowed these extremist groups to gain legitimacy by opposing the oppressor who has invaded their lives.....Australia should keep out of civil wars that have nothing to do with us.....Nothing we do will stop groups like IS and HAMAS whilst we continue to throw fuel on the fire.....These groups want the West to bomb and kill as many people as possible to retain relevance as the oppressed.....Take that away from them and most Muslims would want to live in peace!!!

:-? :-? :-?

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Hate blinds twittering fools from the evil truth Miranda Devine Wednesday,   October   08,   2014  (12:54am)  THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State have leftists all at sea. They have made common cause with Islamism against their real foe, the Judaeo-Christian capitalist west, and it’s all a bit uncomfortable.  :) But when even the United Nations confirms that IS is beheading, raping, enslaving and torturing innocent civilians, they still can’t bring themselves to condemn the evil in front of their eyes. Instead they evade, distract, ignore, and attack with all sorts of false moral equivalencies, from evil Israel to the so-called “Christian” (actually agnostic) Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh. Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march, potentially as dangerous as the communist ideology which killed 100 million people last century. Crikey’s Bernard Keane tells us we should focus on “less glamorous subjects” than terrorism which “kills fewer Australians than even the most exotic causes of death”.  8-) The ABC’s Jonathan Holmes pours scorn on Attorney-General George Brandis’ claim that we face an “existential threat” from the Islamo-fascists, and declares climate change is much scarier. Tell that to the beheaded Christians and Yazidis. University of Western Sydney academic George Morgan pops up on the opinion pages of The Sydney Morning Herald to tell us Islamophobia is more of a threat than Islamist terrorism.   :-/

... the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march, potentially as dangerous as the communist ideology which killed 100 million people last century.

It's interesting to note the use of language so as not to put Islam in a bad night. Why is it 'radical Islam' and not 'radical communism'? It should read Islam is on the march which might be as dangerous as the communist ideology.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Miranda Devine

;D ;D ;D ;D

Miranda will only ever be happy when we start gassing all the muslims . :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:44pm: Miranda Devine ;D ;D ;D ;D Miranda will only ever be happy when we start gassing all the muslims . :D :D :D

That is just the idiotic nonsense we have come to expect from the incontinent progressives.

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:57pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:44pm: Miranda Devine ;D ;D ;D ;D Miranda will only ever be happy when we start gassing all the muslims . :D :D :D That is just the idiotic nonsense we have come to expect from the incontinent progressives.

Too right Soren

Lets just start with a yellow Crescent sewn onto shirts & jackets.

See how that goes then take it from there.

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:57pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 1:44pm: Miranda Devine ;D ;D ;D ;D Miranda will only ever be happy when we start gassing all the muslims . :D :D :D That is just the idiotic nonsense we have come to expect from the incontinent progressives.

incontinent? When did you start wearing a nappy Soren?

How UNAUSTRALIAN,

I hope Miranda writes her next article on how these anti social holligan skaters are tearing down our traditional way of life with  their progressive crap


Quote:

Patrick Burgess has a message for those who would stand by while minority groups are persecuted. "It's the indifference of good people that is bringing us down," he said. The Melbourne skater was with a group of friends in Newcastle when, police say, two women wearing traditional Muslim hijabs were approached while driving their car. Their alleged assailant is accused of approaching the mother and daughter, and saying, "We are Westerners and you're not meant to be here", before punching the driver's side wing mirror. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/skaters-leap-to-aid-of-muslim-women-lecture-public-for-ignoring-abuse-20141008-10rr98.html#ixzz3FWsSxZMy

I bet he drinks Latte's >:(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

How UNAUSTRALIAN, I hope Miranda writes her next article on how these anti social holligan skaters are tearing down our traditional way of life with  their progressive crap Quote: Patrick Burgess has a message for those who would stand by while minority groups are persecuted. "It's the indifference of good people that is bringing us down," he said. The Melbourne skater was with a group of friends in Newcastle when, police say, two women wearing traditional Muslim hijabs were approached while driving their car. Their alleged assailant is accused of approaching the mother and daughter, and saying, "We are Westerners and you're not meant to be here", before punching the driver's side wing mirror. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/skaters-leap-to-aid-of-muslim-women-lecture-public-for-ignoring-abuse-20141008-10rr98.html#ixzz3FWsSxZMy I bet he drinks Latte's >:(

Miranda would be so proud of him ...

I bet she prints a story making him (the assailant) the victim  :D :D

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Those on the far right refuse to accept their part in creating instability in the world that have allowed these extremist groups to gain legitimacy by opposing the oppressor who has invaded their lives.....Australia should keep out of civil wars that have nothing to do with us.....Nothing we do will stop groups like IS and HAMAS whilst we continue to throw fuel on the fire.....These groups want the West to bomb and kill as many people as possible to retain relevance as the oppressed.....Take that away from them and most Muslims would want to live in peace!!! :-? :-? :-?

Those on the left should stop revising history in claiming Iraq was stable under Saddam.

We had 24/7 No Fly Zones in the north to stop Saddam killing the Kurds.
We had 24/7 No Fly Zones in the south to stop Saddam killing the shiites.
Is that the stable Iraq leftards refer to?

The sunni in Iraq are killing the Kurds and Shiites in 2014, the sunni have been fighting the Shia since the battle of the camel around 1400 years ago.

Of course the leftists say muslims need a brutal dictator to keep muslims in line yet when it comes to muslims in the west they prefer to appease instead of oppose or criticise Political Islam, oh the hypocrisy from the deluded leftards!

Are you suggesting it is better to do nothing about the barbaric brutal Islamic state in case our efforts are judged as throwing fuel on the fire, yes much better to let brutal barbaric regimes exist instead of opposing them according to leftard logic,if it was christians behaving like muslims in the Islamic state i am sure the leftards would be fukn outraged.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

I hope Miranda writes her next article ...

I hope she doesn't.

We have enough crap in the media already.

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

I bet she prints a story making him (the assailant) the victim

Well of course he is John,

Here's a man calling these TERRORISTS exactly what they are & these progressive upstarts put their big noses in.

I mean they dress funny, of course we a scared & confronted by anything different to white bread(is it true they eat FLAT??? bread) & VB.

Years ago you could call a fu#$king Dago a Fu34king dago & people applauded, what's gone wrong with our country :(

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Those on the left should stop revising history in claiming Iraq was stable under Saddam.

Stable is a relative term, sure there were many problems in Iraq, but compared to today, it was much more stable.

Perhaps you think seeing Westerners heads chopped off shows stability?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

... what's gone wrong with our country :(

http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/10/07/4810733/dn-abbott-main-20131007161040196415-620x349.jpg

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:44pm: I bet she prints a story making him (the assailant) the victim Well of course he is John, Here's a man calling these TERRORISTS exactly what they are & these progressive upstarts put their big noses in. I mean they dress funny, of course we a scared & confronted by anything different to white bread(is it true they eat FLAT??? bread) & VB. Years ago you could call a fu#$king Dago a Fu34king dago & people applauded, what's gone wrong with our country :(

political correctness gone mad ....

ohh the good old days ...if only they could bring them back ::) ::)

i miss being called a wog :D :D

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Terrorism here is not an existential threat

Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks?

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?
How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?
How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?
Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism?

I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:48pm: Those on the left should stop revising history in claiming Iraq was stable under Saddam. Stable is a relative term, sure there were many problems in Iraq, but compared to today, it was much more stable. Perhaps you think seeing Westerners heads chopped off shows stability?

There were No Fly zones in the north and the south to protect Iraqis from Saddam, is this what leftards like you call stable?

The lefties like supporting brutal barbaric dictators.

”Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march.”



Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:44pm: I bet she prints a story making him (the assailant) the victim Well of course he is John, Here's a man calling these TERRORISTS exactly what they are & these progressive upstarts put their big noses in. I mean they dress funny, of course we a scared & confronted by anything different to white bread(is it true they eat FLAT??? bread) & VB. Years ago you could call a dam you#$king Dago a Fu34king dago & people applauded, what's gone wrong with our country :(

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Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:07pm:

”Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march.”

But you hate these people so why do you care if "the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march".
They aren't invading Paris or Sydney.
And they wouldn't even bother with Sydney if the last & current Liberal Governments hadn't of needed Karki to bolster poll numbers.
They are killing other towelheads efficiently.
Frankly Turkey doesn't seem too worried even though they look like taking the bordertown between them & Syria.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Frankly Turkey doesn't seem too worried even though they look like taking the bordertown between them & Syria.

Turkey has been bombing the Kurds in Iraq, why would they help the Kurds?

Of course the leftards are silent about the Kurds dropping bombs into Iraq they only oppose the right bombing Iraq.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:51pm: ... what's gone wrong with our country :( http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/10/07/4810733/dn-abbott-main-20131007161040196415-620x349.jpg

http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Lizard895.jpg

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.

OMG! Over twenty?  :o

That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population.

Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya'

Get a clue.

You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable.

Well you mean apart from those who are employed.

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya' Get a clue. You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist.

The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam.

Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world.

So what exactly were the truths mentioned in the topic title?

IS like Ebola will be here soon, just a matter of time because we like to think everyone is a good person.......................That is our weakness, our compassion is our weakness

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

So what exactly were the truths mentioned in the topic title?

I sort of wondered that myself!

:-/

well its a strange thing I have of course heard of Miranda....and no I dont always agree with her.. but for the most part I do...

however just who are THESE people..

The ABC’s Jonathan Holmes pours scorn on Attorney-General George Brandis’ claim that we face an “existential threat” from the Islamo-fascists, and declares climate change is much scarier. Tell that to the beheaded Christians and Yazidis.

University of Western Sydney academic George Morgan pops up on the opinion pages of The Sydney Morning Herald to tell us Islamophobia is more of a threat than Islamist terrorism.
  Undecided


sunddenly we have experts on WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE HEADLINES OF THE DAY..


someone very desperate to tell us climate change..something I BELIEVE has been happening for millions of years...

happens to be more of a THREAT than anything Islam Terrorists can do...

REALLY HAS HE EVEN BEEN OUTSIDE OF OZ?..

and as for sneering talking head..Jonathan Holmes..

when he does his own research some of us may take note of what he is mouthing on about...in the mean time Jono get back to those headlines that are so important to you...


so can we nervous types believe that if we give Bill our votes he will bring calm and tranquil into our lives like we have never known before...

we will all live happily every after...  :D :D

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:31pm: So what exactly were the truths mentioned in the topic title? I sort of wondered that myself! :-/

there is nothing to FEAR.. has anyone seen Bill?

woof woof wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

IS like Ebola will be here soon, just a matter of time because we like to think everyone is a good person.......................That is our weakness, our compassion is our weakness

yeah when it reaches ISIL.. guess where they will go.. thats right to our Red Cross.....hohum...and guess who will nurse them better.....

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:37pm: Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:31pm: So what exactly were the truths mentioned in the topic title? I sort of wondered that myself! :-/ there is nothing to FEAR.. has anyone seen Bill?

Truths!

Perhaps you can list Tony's Lies todate or is that too embarrassing!

http://www.abbottslies.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/6sept.png

cods wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:47pm:

woof woof wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:35pm: IS like Ebola will be here soon, just a matter of time because we like to think everyone is a good person.......................That is our weakness, our compassion is our weakness yeah when it reaches ISIL.. guess where they will go.. thats right to our Red Cross.....hohum...and guess who will nurse them better.....

Or maybe Red Crescent even.......

:)

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:29pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya' Get a clue. You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist. The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam. Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world.

Doesn't change the truth.

Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah.

Every religion.

A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil.

But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion.

Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens.

We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do.

Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument.

C'mon you are better then that  ;)

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:16pm: Frankly Turkey doesn't seem too worried even though they look like taking the bordertown between them & Syria. Turkey has been bombing the Kurds in Iraq, why would they help the Kurds? Of course the leftards are silent about the Kurds dropping bombs into Iraq they only oppose the right bombing Iraq.

And of course the right is silent about arming a terrorist group
The PKK which is listed as a terrorist organization listed years ago.

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:29pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya' Get a clue. You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist. The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam. Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world. Doesn't change the truth. Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah. Every religion. A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil. But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion. Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens. We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do. Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument. C'mon you are better then that  ;)

We have more buddhists in Australia compared to muslims, does any ever use the word extremist or moderate in relation to buddhists?

Islamic terror is one repugnant aspect of Islam, it is not the main reason why i dislike that belief.
The Lancet documented 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq from 2003-2010, of these 1003 suicide attacks only 79 of them were directed at coalition forces,the study showed Iraqis were over 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61023-4/abstract

I disagree with your downplaying the threat of terrorism in Australia, Airport security,ASIO ,The AFP would also disagree with you.
Why do we have all that security at the airport if there is no threat?

13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam?

I know atheists who have to pretend to be muslim to avoid the death penalty for apostasy,they hide food and drink away every Ramadan they pretend to fast.
I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution.
Islam is not compatible with human rights as defined by the universal declaration of human rights, death for apostasy is a clear violation of article 18.

The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands, what article of the UDHR does that violate,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,Muhammad was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow his example.

Lefties like you embrace a belief that is not compatible with human rights,get a clue and look at what you support.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:20pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:16pm: Frankly Turkey doesn't seem too worried even though they look like taking the bordertown between them & Syria. Turkey has been bombing the Kurds in Iraq, why would they help the Kurds? Of course the leftards are silent about the Kurds dropping bombs into Iraq they only oppose the right bombing Iraq. And of course the right is silent about arming a terrorist group The PKK which is listed as a terrorist organization listed years ago.

The kurds are probably the best in that area,even Gandalf tried to pass the women fighters off as being muslim, the Kurds are cool with religious pluralism even atheism.
They gave sanctuary to the christians and Yazidis who fled and ended up there.

Something worth reading,take note of the Rojava charter-
www.theecologist.org/News/news-analysis/2580931/western_blind_spot_the_kurds_war_against_islamic_state_in_syria.html

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:04pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:29pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya' Get a clue. You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist. The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam. Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world. Doesn't change the truth. Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah. Every religion. A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil. But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion. Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens. We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do. Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument. C'mon you are better then that  ;) We have more buddhists in Australia compared to muslims, does any ever use the word extremist or moderate in relation to buddhists? Islamic terror is one repugnant aspect of Islam, it is not the main reason why i dislike that belief. The Lancet documented 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq from 2003-2010, of these 1003 suicide attacks only 79 of them were directed at coalition forces,the study showed Iraqis were over 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war. www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61023-4/abstract I disagree with your downplaying the threat of terrorism in Australia, Airport security,ASIO ,The AFP would also disagree with you. Why do we have all that security at the airport if there is no threat? 13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam? I know atheists who have to pretend to be muslim to avoid the death penalty for apostasy,they hide food and drink away every Ramadan they pretend to fast. I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution. Islam is not compatible with human rights as defined by the universal declaration of human rights, death for apostasy is a clear violation of article 18. The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands, what article of the UDHR does that violate,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,Muhammad was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow his example. Lefties like you embrace a belief that is not compatible with human rights,get a clue and look at what you support.

Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there.

Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will.

Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent

How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:50pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:20pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:16pm: Frankly Turkey doesn't seem too worried even though they look like taking the bordertown between them & Syria. Turkey has been bombing the Kurds in Iraq, why would they help the Kurds? Of course the leftards are silent about the Kurds dropping bombs into Iraq they only oppose the right bombing Iraq. And of course the right is silent about arming a terrorist group The PKK which is listed as a terrorist organization listed years ago. The kurds are probably the best in that area,even Gandalf tried to pass the women fighters off as being muslim, the Kurds are cool with religious pluralism even atheism. They gave sanctuary to the christians and Yazidis who fled and ended up there. Something worth reading,take note of the Rojava charter- www.theecologist.org/News/news-analysis/2580931/western_blind_spot_the_kurds_war_against_islamic_state_in_syria.html

Whilst I'm far from an expert from the little I have heard a get the inkling that tha PKK are more in the traditional vein of a freedom fighter.
Mainly blacklisted at Turkey's behest.

I write this before I read you're article so may about to have my knowledge broadened.

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards.

What's  your point?

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:04pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:29pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya' Get a clue. You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist. The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam. Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world. Doesn't change the truth. Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah. Every religion. A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil. But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion. Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens. We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do. Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument. C'mon you are better then that  ;) We have more buddhists in Australia compared to muslims, does any ever use the word extremist or moderate in relation to buddhists? Islamic terror is one repugnant aspect of Islam, it is not the main reason why i dislike that belief. The Lancet documented 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq from 2003-2010, of these 1003 suicide attacks only 79 of them were directed at coalition forces,the study showed Iraqis were over 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war. www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61023-4/abstract I disagree with your downplaying the threat of terrorism in Australia, Airport security,ASIO ,The AFP would also disagree with you. Why do we have all that security at the airport if there is no threat? 13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam? I know atheists who have to pretend to be muslim to avoid the death penalty for apostasy,they hide food and drink away every Ramadan they pretend to fast. I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution. Islam is not compatible with human rights as defined by the universal declaration of human rights, death for apostasy is a clear violation of article 18. The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands, what article of the UDHR does that violate,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,Muhammad was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow his example. Lefties like you embrace a belief that is not compatible with human rights,get a clue and look at what you support. Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent

You lefties still don't get it, if muslims stopped doing Islamic terror tomorrow islam would still be worthy of long overdue criticism.

Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.

Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage.

Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion

I like that .....  ;)

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards. What's  your point?

he hasn't got one ... but hey, that's Soren for you!

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards. What's  your point?

My point is that you have said everything and the opposite of everything in your brief post and that this sort if equivocation and hedging will not do.
You are both against Islamist terrorist threats and measures agains them. You seem to be an ’on the one hand, on the other hand’ kind of guy.

Are you?

John Smith wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards. What's  your point? he hasn't got one ... but hey, that's Soren for you!

Says the sad, lonely fapper.
What did you watch last nighr? Porn

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 9:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards. What's  your point? he hasn't got one ... but hey, that's Soren for you! Says the sad, lonely fapper. What did you watch last nighr? Porn

lonely? are you projecting again Soreen?  ;D ;D ;D

No, no porn last night ... wife wasn't in the mood.

What about you? was your boyfriend up for it?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:53pm: Those on the far right refuse to accept their part in creating instability in the world that have allowed these extremist groups to gain legitimacy by opposing the oppressor who has invaded their lives.....Australia should keep out of civil wars that have nothing to do with us.....Nothing we do will stop groups like IS and HAMAS whilst we continue to throw fuel on the fire.....These groups want the West to bomb and kill as many people as possible to retain relevance as the oppressed.....Take that away from them and most Muslims would want to live in peace!!! :-? :-? :-? Those on the left should stop revising history in claiming Iraq was stable under Saddam. We had 24/7 No Fly Zones in the north to stop Saddam killing the Kurds. We had 24/7 No Fly Zones in the south to stop Saddam killing the shiites. Is that the stable Iraq leftards refer to? The sunni in Iraq are killing the Kurds and Shiites in 2014, the sunni have been fighting the Shia since the battle of the camel around 1400 years ago. Of course the leftists say muslims need a brutal dictator to keep muslims in line yet when it comes to muslims in the west they prefer to appease instead of oppose or criticise Political Islam, oh the hypocrisy from the deluded leftards! Are you suggesting it is better to do nothing about the barbaric brutal Islamic state in case our efforts are judged as throwing fuel on the fire, yes much better to let brutal barbaric regimes exist instead of opposing them according to leftard logic,if it was christians behaving like muslims in the Islamic state i am sure the leftards would be fukn outraged.

I am saying that internal civil wars are not our problem unless we are going to go into every civil war under the same pretext.....America supported Saddam Hussein when he was fighting Iran and supported the Taliban when they where fighting the Russians.....Apparently terrorists are alright when they are killing our enemies.....So using your logic we should go into every civil war where brutal barbaric regimes exist or is your outrage selective like your memory???

:-? :-? :-?

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

...But when even the United Nations confirms that IS is beheading, raping, enslaving and torturing innocent civilians, they still can’t bring themselves to condemn the evil in front of their eyes.

Is that the same UN that a few weeks ago was pushing the fake story about IS ordering women to undergo genital mutilation?








bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State...

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Islamic State: Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman says allied mission in Iraq and Syria 'infinitely greater in barbarity' An Islamic political organisation, which has been heavily criticised by the Prime Minister, has described the actions of Australia and the United States in Iraq as more barbaric than those of Islamic State militants. A spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir - which advocates for a global caliphate or Islamic state which follows sharia law - said US-led missions in Iraq had killed more than a million Iraqis. "What I'm opposed to is a level of oppression, of barbarity that far exceeds anything ISIS would even imagine doing, and that's represented in the actions of governments like Australia and its allies like America," Wassim Doureihi told Sky TV. "I'm condemning something which is infinitely greater in barbarity than anything ISIS has ever done or could even imagine doing. "I'm condemning a set of policies that have cost the lives of over a million Iraqis."... ...Hizb ut-Tahrir is holding a public lecture in Sydney on Friday, entitled The War To End The Blessed Revolution, which will focus on the West's role in attacking the "noble Syrian revolution". Mr Doureihi said the lecture would explain why the organisation opposed military action in Iraq and Syria. "The purpose of this lecture is to demonstrate that what Australia will be doing in Iraq and Syria, like its allies America and others - like they did 10 years ago in Iraq - will be absolutely disastrous," he said. "And they are not there for humanitarian purposes, they are there for purposes of political expediency." He said the current mission and the 2003 Iraq War were "state-sponsored terrorism". "All of you should be outraged at the killing of innocent lives, but we should apply this argument consistently," he said... www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/allied-mission-more-barbaric-than-is-hizb-ut-tahrir-says/5799856

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran.

Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible.

John S wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran. Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible.

Really?? And where are these Catholic laws? Show them to us.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran. Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage. Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?

Nope.

It really is amusing that dedicated leftists like Team Murdoch are now caning the UN for what they have said about IS. What a confirmation of what Miranda says in her opening remarks.

At least some of us are consistent in our opinion of the UN and what it has become. Certainly not the organisation that the likes of Doc Evatt or Churchill foresaw.

Soren wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm: Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards. What's  your point? My point is that you have said everything and the opposite of everything in your brief post and that this sort if equivocation and hedging will not do. You are both against Islamist terrorist threats and measures agains them. You seem to be an ’on the one hand, on the other hand’ kind of guy. Are you?

No

If you bothered to look at Raven's original point you would see he was pointing out that the media beat up and the politicians makes it seem like we are under siege in this country, like French Algeria or Indochina in the 1950s, or Iraq at the height of the insurgency, plagued by daily suicide bombings. 

As Raven pointed out terrorism here is not an existential threat. Nazism, imperial Japan, and nuclear holocaust in the Cold War were existential threats. Terrorism in Australia is a minor irritation compared to the rest of the world.

Does that mean we shouldn't have extra security at airports? No

Does that mean we shouldn't have extra security in public buildings? No

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:55pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 5:04pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:29pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven takes it all back, we are exactly like Iraq. Obviously there have been suicide attacks daily in our major cities, we just haven't heard anything about it because the lefty controlled media is not on 'Team Ostraya' Get a clue. You are more likely to be raped by a priest in this country then killed by a terrorist. The usual leftard deflection to christians when the topic is Islam. Like i said if it was christians behaving like the muslims in the Islamic state the leftards would be fukn outraged, they are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Islamic barbarity and even appease this belief that governs in parts of the world. Doesn't change the truth. Look you get no argument from me that Islam is a bad religion, but so is Christianity, Judaism, Scientology, Mormonism, Kabbalah. Every religion. A good person will always try to do good and an evil person can always be relied on to do evil. But to make a good person do evil things well... then you need religion. Back to the original point, terrorism in Australia is notexistential threat. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in this country are law abiding citizens. We don't face the terrorist threat that other countries do. Oh and btw name calling? Really? All it does is cheapen you and your argument. C'mon you are better then that  ;) We have more buddhists in Australia compared to muslims, does any ever use the word extremist or moderate in relation to buddhists? Islamic terror is one repugnant aspect of Islam, it is not the main reason why i dislike that belief. The Lancet documented 1003 suicide attacks in Iraq from 2003-2010, of these 1003 suicide attacks only 79 of them were directed at coalition forces,the study showed Iraqis were over 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war. www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(11)61023-4/abstract I disagree with your downplaying the threat of terrorism in Australia, Airport security,ASIO ,The AFP would also disagree with you. Why do we have all that security at the airport if there is no threat? 13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam? I know atheists who have to pretend to be muslim to avoid the death penalty for apostasy,they hide food and drink away every Ramadan they pretend to fast. I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution. Islam is not compatible with human rights as defined by the universal declaration of human rights, death for apostasy is a clear violation of article 18. The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands, what article of the UDHR does that violate,Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,Muhammad was a slave trader, the Quran tells you to follow his example. Lefties like you embrace a belief that is not compatible with human rights,get a clue and look at what you support. Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent You lefties still don't get it, if muslims stopped doing Islamic terror tomorrow islam would still be worthy of long overdue criticism. Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran. Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage. Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?

Raven agrees with you. As long as they practice those aspects of their religion they should be condemned.

Any other pearls of wisdom?

Soren wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

John S wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran. Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible. Really?? And where are these Catholic laws? Show them to us.

Read the bible they are all in there.

John S wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:30am: John S wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran. Catholic law executes people for leaving the catholic religion (excommunicate),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against God or Jesus, desecrating the bible. Really?? And where are these Catholic laws? Show them to us. Read the bible they are all in there.

Read history, for accounts of their execution, no shortage!

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges?

How many Buddhist countries have we invaded?


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

How many hindu in our jails on terror charges?

How many Hindu countries have we invaded?


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges?

We didn't have terrorism until Howard invaded Afghanistan.

So is it Australia's foreign policy which causes terrorism?i


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Iraqis were 10 times more likely to be the victim of a suicide attack compared to a infidel soldier in Iraq during the war.

Same could be said in France during WWII. The Vichy French were often targeted as collaborators of the Nazi occupiers.


Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

13 Islamic countries,make that 14 with the Islamic state have the death penalty for apostasy, is a muslim really moderate if he supports the death penalty for those who leave Islam?

How many countries have actually enforced the death penalty?






Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

I don't know anyone who has left any other belief who has to pretend they still believe to prevent state sanctioned persecution.

So have you heard of North Korea? There have been numerous riots and pogroms  in India against Hindus conveying to Christianity. How about people who want to leave Judaism in Israel, and face having their children taken from them?


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In its controversial annual human rights reports for 1999, the United States Department of State criticised India for "increasing societal violence against Christians." The report listed over 90 incidents of anti-Christian violence, ranging from damage of religious property to violence against Christians pilgrims. In 1997, twenty-four such incidents were reported. Recent waves of anti-conversion laws passed by some Indian states like Chhattisgarh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh is claimed to be a gradual and continuous institutionalization of Hindutva by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labour of the US State Department. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#India_2

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...Mobs led by radical Buddhist monks also attacked the Assemblies of God Church and Calvary Free Church during Sunday worship services on January 12 in the coastal town of Hikkaduwa. “A mob of over 200 men and women including 20 Buddhist monks entered the church while we were worshipping in the morning and damaged the building and destroyed equipment,” said Pastor Perumal of the Calvary Free Church. “Bibles and hymn books were burnt. The group threw stones at the church and damaged the building. Police were unable to control the mob and asked us to leave the church immediately,”... Akmeemana Dayaratna Thero, a Buddhist monk and leader of Sinhala Ravaya, a Buddhist extremist group, said that members of evangelical movements had harmed religious harmony in Sri Lanka by converting Buddhists to Christianity. “They have established prayer centers in majority Buddhist areas and encourage Buddhists to join with them,” said Thero. “The government should not allow any foreign religious missions into the country.” The government needs to introduce new laws and regulations to prevent the conversion of Buddhists to other religions, he added. An anti-conversion bill was first presented in parliament in 2005. www.ucanews.com/news/sri-lanka-christians-protest-against-attacks/70164

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On Dec. 29, 1977, Christians in Israel and the occupied territories protested a new law passed by the Israeli parliament making it illegal for missionaries to proselytize Jews. www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

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Modern Jewish society in Israel rejects any form of proselytism, including evangelical sharing of the gospel. In the past, the Israeli government has denied citizenship to Messianic Jews (Jews who follow Christ), and city governments have burned Bibles and other Christian literature. VOM has shared stories in the past about Messianic Jews and foreign Christian workers who have been harassed by ultra-Orthodox, anti-missionary Jewish groups. www.persecution.com/February2014

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Freedom of religion in Burma On January 23, 2007, Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) released a report that documented the Government's restrictions, discrimination, and persecution against Christians in the country for more than a decade... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Burma

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The Islamic state is selling women and children into slavery after killing their fathers/husbands

Any actual proof of that?



Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Muhammad had a coptic christian sex slave,

Incorrect. He was given an Egyptian slavewoman by the Christian ruler of Egypt. He accepted the woman as a gift, but then married her.



Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Muhammad was a slave trader

He lived in a time and place where slavery was rampant. He actually banned most sources of slavery, banned sexual exploitation of slaves, and he and his followers actually freed thousands of slaves and captives.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:07pm: ”Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march.” But you hate these people so why do you care if "the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march". [moslems] aren't invading Paris or Sydney.

dsmithy70,

You are an imbecile, imo.


[moslems] aren't invading Paris or Sydney.

No, moslems are already residents and citizens in Europe and Australia.

And many moslems throughout Europe and Australia, now feel bold enough to attack both fellow moslems and non-moslems within Europe and Australia.



e.g.


Quote:

Germany: Muslims supporting the Islamic State attack Kurds with machetes and knives Robert Spencer      Oct 8, 2014

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/germany-muslims-supporting-the-islamic-state-attack-kurds-with-machetes-and-knives



Within Australia, moslems are so enraged by reading ISLAMIC texts, that they feel bold enough to stab police with knives.





http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/car-burn-make.jpg
'Immigrant youths' in the Netherlands, protesting about how the locals have been 'persecuting' the moslem community.

What sparked the incident above, was a moslem man walked into a police station and stabbed a police woman.

She pulled out a pistol and shot him dead!

"POLICE SHOOT MOSLEM MAN, DEAD!"

!!!!!!!!


Yadda....

Quote:

Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Marie-Neige Sardin - a French women, a French shop keeper, persecuted in France, by local moslems by a tiny minority of extremists. Because she is not a moslem. And more... Multiculturalisme et islam en France reportage de CBN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YQANdvvbY Of course, moslems living within Western nations are being 'misrepresented'. Because what is presented and portrayed in that YT clip, is not representative of the real influence of ISLAM, upon moslems.         :P Those who are 'the tolerant ones' know, that 'ISLAM is peace'...          :P THE TRUTH... In localities where moslems are [still] politically weak or 'thin on the ground', ....moslems portray ISLAM, as a benign and non-threatening philosophy. Later, when their local circumstances and fortunes change, and when the moslems feel 'politically' confident enough [to expose their real nature, and their real agenda/intent!], the moslems will explain [very 'sincerely'      :P     ] to the locals, that the moslems are only punishing them [the locals] in retaliation, because the locals have been 'persecuting' the moslem community for so long. And it is only justice, to now punish the non-moslems, because the moslems now can do this!

Moslems always, always, always, justify moslem violence as justice, and as rightful retribution.

ISLAM makes lawlessness, LAWFUL, to the moslem.

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population.

Raven,

19 moslems,   i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS.....


IMAGE....
http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg
wtc-9-11.jpg






Raven,

There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia.

And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe.


IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe.

how many?

Raven wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Raven doesn't support Islam, Islam is a religion and Raven doesn't support religion. So you are wrong there. Secondly while terrorism is indeed a threat and we are prudent to have safeguards in place, it is nothing like the media portrays it in this country. Now this is not to say it won't become an existential threat and as long as people follow stupid religions there is a certain likelihood it will. Compared to the rest of the world the odds of you, baron, being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is virtually non-existent How many Australians have been killed by the Gestapo or the KGB or the Japanese Imperial Army in Australia? Yet it was right for Australia to enter the war against the Germans and the Japanese and to guard against the Soviets afterwards. What's  your point?

The point is, that as a human being, #1, we can oppose evil [wherever we can], or #2, we can turn away [and pretend that we don't understand how evil tolerated, undermines our own humanity].



p.s.
Raven,

You are #2, imo.           :)





Please watch this YT...
Jordanian-Palestinian Politician: There Is No ISIS Ideology - It's Islam                  goto 2m 05s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1koyPZ8nlrY




ISLAM has a malevolent intent towards ALL human beings who are not moslems.

Ever so slowly!!!!!! American citizens are coming to see how the wool is being pulled over their eyes, by their own political leaders, in regards to what ISLAM is.......

Watch the YTube.....

Bill Maher Battles Charlie Rose on Why Islam is More Dangerous than Other Religions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjInNxIwfRw

SOURCE DOCUMENT, for Bill Maher / Charlie Rose YT....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/bill-maher-to-claim-that-islam-is-like-other-religions-is-just-naive-and-plain-wrong

John Smith wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm: And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. how many?

Lots and lots.





Muslim group criticises Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1evjaYkdnQ




Moslems HATE US, and they hate and despise the political system which has given many of them sanctuary, and which now sustains them and their families.


MUSLIMS SUCK OUT WELFARE SYSTEM IN AUSTRALIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd5LnH3vsgg
try this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CSC4zTWW0

los and lots?  how many is that? 10? 100? 1000?

of 300 000 muslims in Australia (without looking back, I believe they were your figures) how many have expressed the views you claimed earlier?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

You lefties still don't get it, if muslims stopped doing Islamic terror tomorrow islam would still be worthy of long overdue criticism. Islamic law executes people for leaving Islam (apostasy),adultery,homosexuality,witchcraft,blasphemy against Islam or Muhammad, desecrating a Quran. Islamic law has amputations for theft, flogging for consenting sex outside of marriage. Can any muslim who supports any of that be called moderate?

Exactly so, Baronvonrort.


And sometimes, even when moslems are trying to portray themselves ['their group'] as 'moderate',        the moslem will inadvertently reveal the real truth about his political and religious views.....



http://img.youtube.com/vi/sjGjj6VSmSQ/0.jpg


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6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State Robert Spencer      Sep 30, 2014 Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State. In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....     At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam. [BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endorsed-as-they-condemned-the-islamic-state
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endorsed-as-they-condemned-the-islamic-state/?singlepage=true

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/0#0







Baronvonrort,

QUESTION;
Where are all of the lefties on OzPol,        who can explain away this 'misrepresentation' of ISLAM, by 'an international coterie of Islamic scholars' ??????????


Hmmmmmm ?

Team Murdoch wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 11:11pm:

Quote: Islamic State: Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman says allied mission in Iraq and Syria 'infinitely greater in barbarity' An Islamic political organisation, which has been heavily criticised by the Prime Minister, has described the actions of Australia and the United States in Iraq as more barbaric than those of Islamic State militants. A spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir - which advocates for a global caliphate or Islamic state which follows sharia law - said US-led missions in Iraq had killed more than a million Iraqis. "What I'm opposed to is a level of oppression, of barbarity that far exceeds anything ISIS would even imagine doing, and that's represented in the actions of governments like Australia and its allies like America," Wassim Doureihi told Sky TV. "I'm condemning something which is infinitely greater in barbarity than anything ISIS has ever done or could even imagine doing. "I'm condemning a set of policies that have cost the lives of over a million Iraqis."... ...Hizb ut-Tahrir is holding a public lecture in Sydney on Friday, entitled The War To End The Blessed Revolution, which will focus on the West's role in attacking the "noble Syrian revolution". Mr Doureihi said the lecture would explain why the organisation opposed military action in Iraq and Syria. "The purpose of this lecture is to demonstrate that what Australia will be doing in Iraq and Syria, like its allies America and others - like they did 10 years ago in Iraq - will be absolutely disastrous," he said. "And they are not there for humanitarian purposes, they are there for purposes of political expediency." He said the current mission and the 2003 Iraq War were "state-sponsored terrorism". "All of you should be outraged at the killing of innocent lives, but we should apply this argument consistently," he said... www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-08/allied-mission-more-barbaric-than-is-hizb-ut-tahrir-says/5799856

Hizb ut-Tahrir within Australia, are criticising those who oppose ISIS,            because Hizb ut-Tahrir are spokesmen for, and sponsors of, ISIS, within Australia.

Duh!!!!!





Really!!!!!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5797928-3x4-700x933.jpg
[promotional graphic, for a public lecture, produced by Hizb ut-Tahrir]

"The West initiates another war to quash the noble Syrian revolution"


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412730103/6#6

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

dsmithy70, You are an imbecile, imo.

Dear Yadda

Care Factor - ZERO

From what I read you're a religious nutter as bad as any muslim idiot.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:26am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:07pm: dsmithy70, You are an imbecile, imo. Dear Yadda Care Factor - ZERO From what I read you're a religious nutter as bad as any muslim idiot.

Probably worse, on some days.

The amount of hate generated by Yadda and Sprintcyclist is quite alarming.

If I were the authorities, I'd be keeping a very close eye on them.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm


EMMA ALBERICI: Are you outraged by - are you outraged by the image of an Australian-born child of seven years old holding up severed heads like trophies in Iraq or Syria?

WASSIM DOUREIHI: Let me tell you what I am outraged by.

EMMA ALBERICI: So you won't even answer that question.

WASSIM DOUREIHI: Are you going to allow me to answer - are you going to allow me to answer the question?

EMMA ALBERICI: What are the Australian public to make of this kind of ...

WASSIM DOUREIHI: If you wanted a one-way discussion ...

EMMA ALBERICI: No. I think you're the one who wanted the one-way discussion.
WASSIM DOUREIHI: If you wanted a one-way discussion, you would not - you did not - you did not necessarily have to invite me.

EMMA ALBERICI: I am asking you legitimate questions, ...

WASSIM DOUREIHI: You're asking the question, baiting for a particular response.

EMMA ALBERICI: ... which you have obviously come here knowing you didn't want to answer.

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven, 19 moslems,   i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS..... IMAGE.... http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg wtc-9-11.jpg Raven, There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia. And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. IMAGE.... http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again.

Until then go in peace

Religion is the core problem here because this is what it creates between those of different ideologies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge45R9qoW_Y

Raven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven, 19 moslems,   i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS..... IMAGE.... http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg wtc-9-11.jpg Raven, There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia. And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. IMAGE.... http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012. Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again. Until then go in peace

But Raven, you don't believe what i believe, so i can't debate you !!!!!!!     [....i'm being factitious]

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:46pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven, 19 moslems,   i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS..... IMAGE.... http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg wtc-9-11.jpg Raven, There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia. And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. IMAGE.... http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012. Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again. Until then go in peace But Raven, you don't believe what i believe, so i can't debate you !!!!!!!     [....i'm being factitious]

Do you still support child genital mutilation?

Raven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 1:30pm: Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:46pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven, 19 moslems,   i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS..... IMAGE.... http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg wtc-9-11.jpg Raven, There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia. And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. IMAGE.... http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012. Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again. Until then go in peace But Raven, you don't believe what i believe, so i can't debate you !!!!!!!     [....i'm being factitious] Do you still support child genital mutilation?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet ?

A YES, or NO, will be sufficient.

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 1:51pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 1:30pm: Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:46pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:25pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 4:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 3:57pm: Raven wrote on Oct 8th, 2014 at 2:45pm: Terrorism here is not an existential threat Then why do we have over 20 muslims in jail who were convicted for plotting terror attacks? How many buddhists in our jails on terror charges? How many hindu in our jails on terror charges? How many Sikh's in our jails on terror charges? Why do we have all that security at airports if there is no threat of terrorism? I see why the leftists in this forum are unemployable. OMG! Over twenty?  :o That's like 0.001% of the total Muslim population. Raven, 19 moslems,   i'll say that again, 19 moslems, DID THIS..... IMAGE.... http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg wtc-9-11.jpg Raven, There are [reportedly] more than 300,000 moslems living among us, here in Australia. And many of those moslems have expressed that they believe that ISLAM gives them [moslems] a lawful right to kill Australians, if they [Australians] don't believe what moslems believe. IMAGE.... http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg "Behead those who insult ISLAM" Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012. Sorry Yadda but you are still a hypocrite and Raven can not debate a hypocrite. However once you acknowledge and accept genital mutilation is evil No matter who perpetrates it he will be happy to debate you once again. Until then go in peace But Raven, you don't believe what i believe, so i can't debate you !!!!!!!     [....i'm being factitious] Do you still support child genital mutilation? Have you stopped beating your wife yet ? A YES, or NO, will be sufficient.

Such anger. And you call yourself a Christian  ::)

Still being hypocritical.

Your true colours have been shown and your credibility is non-existent

Go in peace Yadda

Further to Raven's point about media sensationalism we can look at the case of the man shot dead in Melbourne after the brutal, angry stabbing of two police officers. Did the media report the simple and sufficiently horrifying facts? Well no, it reported the most sensational peak in the sea of supposition surrounding them: "Gunned down after PM terror threat: POLICE KILL ABBOTT JIHADI."

There was of course no plot against the Prime Minister as  Australian Federal Police’s acting commissioner Andrew Colvin confirmed.

And remember the sword carried so ominously from the police raids of mid September, the one featured in page after page of reporting of raids that had apparently prevented demonstration killings and was thus by implication a weapon that might be used to sever innocent necks from heads, turns out to be a piece of plastic souvenir shop junk.

The old adage is fear sells but what effect does this kind of scare reporting have?

• A woman in a hijab is physically attacked and her car subsequently vandalised with profanities spray-painted across it (Western Sydney)

• A mother and her baby are verbally abused and spat on, and the pram is kicked (Sydney)

• A woman in hijab has a cup of coffee hurled through the window of her car (Brisbane)

• A mother and her baby are approached by three men, has her hijab ripped off, is spat on and pushed to the floor (Brisbane)

• A woman is approached by a man and told to take her hijab off so he can burn it (Brisbane)

• A woman in a hijab is approached by men in a shopping centre who try to rip her hijab from her head (Perth)

• A mother and her child are verbally abused and the woman is told to take her child away from the other children at a playground (Melbourne)

• A woman is verbally abused by three men who threaten to burn her hijab as she walks past a pub

• A woman is verbally abused by man who threatens to burn her house down (Queensland)

• A woman sitting on a bus with her son is filmed by a man who verbally abused her and said that he would use the video footage as means to identify her

• A heavily pregnant woman is verbally abused and intimated (Sydney)

• A mother and daughter are verbally assaulted and a passer-by who intervened is physically assaulted (Newcastle)

Sensationalist reporting to sell newspapers has consequences and in the examples above innocent women and children are seeing the results of these consequences first hand.

Not only is it lazy journalism it is dangerous journalism. And as has been shown is inaccurate journalism.

Yes we as a nation have the right to protect our citizens from threats but we need to do it responsibly otherwise we are going to see more and more innocent women and children harassed and assaulted by "dinky-di Aussies."

(Sits back and awaits the "but they do the same and worse to us" defence from the usual suspects)

Raven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

Further to Raven's point about media sensationalism we can look at the case of the man shot dead in Melbourne after the brutal, angry stabbing of two police officers. Did the media report the simple and sufficiently horrifying facts? Well no, it reported the most sensational peak in the sea of supposition surrounding them: "Gunned down after PM terror threat: POLICE KILL ABBOTT JIHADI." There was of course no plot against the Prime Minister as  Australian Federal Police’s acting commissioner Andrew Colvin confirmed. And remember the sword carried so ominously from the police raids of mid September, the one featured in page after page of reporting of raids that had apparently prevented demonstration killings and was thus by implication a weapon that might be used to sever innocent necks from heads, turns out to be a piece of plastic souvenir shop junk. The old adage is fear sells but what effect does this kind of scare reporting have? • A woman in a hijab is physically attacked and her car subsequently vandalised with profanities spray-painted across it (Western Sydney) • A mother and her baby are verbally abused and spat on, and the pram is kicked (Sydney) • A woman in hijab has a cup of coffee hurled through the window of her car (Brisbane) • A mother and her baby are approached by three men, has her hijab ripped off, is spat on and pushed to the floor (Brisbane) • A woman is approached by a man and told to take her hijab off so he can burn it (Brisbane) • A woman in a hijab is approached by men in a shopping centre who try to rip her hijab from her head (Perth) • A mother and her child are verbally abused and the woman is told to take her child away from the other children at a playground (Melbourne) • A woman is verbally abused by three men who threaten to burn her hijab as she walks past a pub • A woman is verbally abused by man who threatens to burn her house down (Queensland) • A woman sitting on a bus with her son is filmed by a man who verbally abused her and said that he would use the video footage as means to identify her • A heavily pregnant woman is verbally abused and intimated (Sydney) • A mother and daughter are verbally assaulted and a passer-by who intervened is physically assaulted (Newcastle) Sensationalist reporting to sell newspapers has consequences and in the examples above innocent women and children are seeing the results of these consequences first hand. Not only is it lazy journalism it is dangerous journalism. And as has been shown is inaccurate journalism. Yes we as a nation have the right to protect our citizens from threats but we need to do it responsibly otherwise we are going to see more and more innocent women and children harassed and assaulted by "dinky-di Aussies." (Sits back and awaits the "but they do the same and worse to us" defence from the usual suspects)

So what makes you think those claims of muslim women being attacked are accurate journalism?

Islam has an ingrained victim mentality, muslims never do anything wrong, of course it is not unprecedented for them to make stuff up for sympathy, sheik hilaly and Carnita Mathews were caught red handed making stuff up which CCTV footage proved.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:23pm: Further to Raven's point about media sensationalism we can look at the case of the man shot dead in Melbourne after the brutal, angry stabbing of two police officers. Did the media report the simple and sufficiently horrifying facts? Well no, it reported the most sensational peak in the sea of supposition surrounding them: "Gunned down after PM terror threat: POLICE KILL ABBOTT JIHADI." There was of course no plot against the Prime Minister as  Australian Federal Police’s acting commissioner Andrew Colvin confirmed. And remember the sword carried so ominously from the police raids of mid September, the one featured in page after page of reporting of raids that had apparently prevented demonstration killings and was thus by implication a weapon that might be used to sever innocent necks from heads, turns out to be a piece of plastic souvenir shop junk. The old adage is fear sells but what effect does this kind of scare reporting have? • A woman in a hijab is physically attacked and her car subsequently vandalised with profanities spray-painted across it (Western Sydney) • A mother and her baby are verbally abused and spat on, and the pram is kicked (Sydney) • A woman in hijab has a cup of coffee hurled through the window of her car (Brisbane) • A mother and her baby are approached by three men, has her hijab ripped off, is spat on and pushed to the floor (Brisbane) • A woman is approached by a man and told to take her hijab off so he can burn it (Brisbane) • A woman in a hijab is approached by men in a shopping centre who try to rip her hijab from her head (Perth) • A mother and her child are verbally abused and the woman is told to take her child away from the other children at a playground (Melbourne) • A woman is verbally abused by three men who threaten to burn her hijab as she walks past a pub • A woman is verbally abused by man who threatens to burn her house down (Queensland) • A woman sitting on a bus with her son is filmed by a man who verbally abused her and said that he would use the video footage as means to identify her • A heavily pregnant woman is verbally abused and intimated (Sydney) • A mother and daughter are verbally assaulted and a passer-by who intervened is physically assaulted (Newcastle) Sensationalist reporting to sell newspapers has consequences and in the examples above innocent women and children are seeing the results of these consequences first hand. Not only is it lazy journalism it is dangerous journalism. And as has been shown is inaccurate journalism. Yes we as a nation have the right to protect our citizens from threats but we need to do it responsibly otherwise we are going to see more and more innocent women and children harassed and assaulted by "dinky-di Aussies." (Sits back and awaits the "but they do the same and worse to us" defence from the usual suspects) So what makes you think those claims of muslim women being attacked are accurate journalism? Islam has an ingrained victim mentality, muslims never do anything wrong, of course it is not unprecedented for them to make stuff up for sympathy, sheik hilaly and Carnita Mathews were caught red handed making stuff up which CCTV footage proved.

That's a fair point. It is quite possible that a lot of what was reported against the women did not happen the way it was reported. But even if half of what has been reported is accurate it should still be concerning.

Unfortunately there are some idiots out there who read these stories sink some p!ss get all puffed up with "patriotic pride" and decide they are going to show those "Muso S!uts what's what!"

Raven wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:00pm: Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:23pm: Further to Raven's point about media sensationalism we can look at the case of the man shot dead in Melbourne after the brutal, angry stabbing of two police officers. Did the media report the simple and sufficiently horrifying facts? Well no, it reported the most sensational peak in the sea of supposition surrounding them: "Gunned down after PM terror threat: POLICE KILL ABBOTT JIHADI." There was of course no plot against the Prime Minister as  Australian Federal Police’s acting commissioner Andrew Colvin confirmed. And remember the sword carried so ominously from the police raids of mid September, the one featured in page after page of reporting of raids that had apparently prevented demonstration killings and was thus by implication a weapon that might be used to sever innocent necks from heads, turns out to be a piece of plastic souvenir shop junk. The old adage is fear sells but what effect does this kind of scare reporting have? • A woman in a hijab is physically attacked and her car subsequently vandalised with profanities spray-painted across it (Western Sydney) • A mother and her baby are verbally abused and spat on, and the pram is kicked (Sydney) • A woman in hijab has a cup of coffee hurled through the window of her car (Brisbane) • A mother and her baby are approached by three men, has her hijab ripped off, is spat on and pushed to the floor (Brisbane) • A woman is approached by a man and told to take her hijab off so he can burn it (Brisbane) • A woman in a hijab is approached by men in a shopping centre who try to rip her hijab from her head (Perth) • A mother and her child are verbally abused and the woman is told to take her child away from the other children at a playground (Melbourne) • A woman is verbally abused by three men who threaten to burn her hijab as she walks past a pub • A woman is verbally abused by man who threatens to burn her house down (Queensland) • A woman sitting on a bus with her son is filmed by a man who verbally abused her and said that he would use the video footage as means to identify her • A heavily pregnant woman is verbally abused and intimated (Sydney) • A mother and daughter are verbally assaulted and a passer-by who intervened is physically assaulted (Newcastle) Sensationalist reporting to sell newspapers has consequences and in the examples above innocent women and children are seeing the results of these consequences first hand. Not only is it lazy journalism it is dangerous journalism. And as has been shown is inaccurate journalism. Yes we as a nation have the right to protect our citizens from threats but we need to do it responsibly otherwise we are going to see more and more innocent women and children harassed and assaulted by "dinky-di Aussies." (Sits back and awaits the "but they do the same and worse to us" defence from the usual suspects) So what makes you think those claims of muslim women being attacked are accurate journalism? Islam has an ingrained victim mentality, muslims never do anything wrong, of course it is not unprecedented for them to make stuff up for sympathy, sheik hilaly and Carnita Mathews were caught red handed making stuff up which CCTV footage proved. That's a fair point. It is quite possible that a lot of what was reported against the women did not happen the way it was reported. But even if half of what has been reported is accurate it should still be concerning. Unfortunately there are some idiots out there who read these stories sink some p!ss get all puffed up with "patriotic pride" and decide they are going to show those "Muso S!uts what's what!"

I was raised with the view it is wrong to hit a woman or use bad language in front of them, this was quite a common view when i was growing up.
I am sure there are many Australians who believe it is wrong to hit a woman and also believe it is wrong to pick on someone smaller than yourself.
Of course Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy allows wife beating if you fear disobedience which is one way Islam differs from Australian culture.
quran.com/4/34

The Lebanese ambulance hoax, the al Dura hoax, the Grand Muftis lies along with Carnita Mathews and general bullshit from muslims who are allowed to lie leads me to question everything they claim.

Taqiyya is a shiite concept, the sunni are allowed to lie to reconcile 2 or more people and in times of war, non muslim land is called Dar al Harb (Land of war).

Of course we had that media report of a muslim woman being pushed from a moving train which was bullshit,the Islamophobia register still has that incident on their list.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 5:00pm: Raven wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 3:23pm: Further to Raven's point about media sensationalism we can look at the case of the man shot dead in Melbourne after the brutal, angry stabbing of two police officers. Did the media report the simple and sufficiently horrifying facts? Well no, it reported the most sensational peak in the sea of supposition surrounding them: "Gunned down after PM terror threat: POLICE KILL ABBOTT JIHADI." There was of course no plot against the Prime Minister as  Australian Federal Police’s acting commissioner Andrew Colvin confirmed. And remember the sword carried so ominously from the police raids of mid September, the one featured in page after page of reporting of raids that had apparently prevented demonstration killings and was thus by implication a weapon that might be used to sever innocent necks from heads, turns out to be a piece of plastic souvenir shop junk. The old adage is fear sells but what effect does this kind of scare reporting have? • A woman in a hijab is physically attacked and her car subsequently vandalised with profanities spray-painted across it (Western Sydney) • A mother and her baby are verbally abused and spat on, and the pram is kicked (Sydney) • A woman in hijab has a cup of coffee hurled through the window of her car (Brisbane) • A mother and her baby are approached by three men, has her hijab ripped off, is spat on and pushed to the floor (Brisbane) • A woman is approached by a man and told to take her hijab off so he can burn it (Brisbane) • A woman in a hijab is approached by men in a shopping centre who try to rip her hijab from her head (Perth) • A mother and her child are verbally abused and the woman is told to take her child away from the other children at a playground (Melbourne) • A woman is verbally abused by three men who threaten to burn her hijab as she walks past a pub • A woman is verbally abused by man who threatens to burn her house down (Queensland) • A woman sitting on a bus with her son is filmed by a man who verbally abused her and said that he would use the video footage as means to identify her • A heavily pregnant woman is verbally abused and intimated (Sydney) • A mother and daughter are verbally assaulted and a passer-by who intervened is physically assaulted (Newcastle) Sensationalist reporting to sell newspapers has consequences and in the examples above innocent women and children are seeing the results of these consequences first hand. Not only is it lazy journalism it is dangerous journalism. And as has been shown is inaccurate journalism. Yes we as a nation have the right to protect our citizens from threats but we need to do it responsibly otherwise we are going to see more and more innocent women and children harassed and assaulted by "dinky-di Aussies." (Sits back and awaits the "but they do the same and worse to us" defence from the usual suspects) So what makes you think those claims of muslim women being attacked are accurate journalism? Islam has an ingrained victim mentality, muslims never do anything wrong, of course it is not unprecedented for them to make stuff up for sympathy, sheik hilaly and Carnita Mathews were caught red handed making stuff up which CCTV footage proved. That's a fair point. It is quite possible that a lot of what was reported against the women did not happen the way it was reported. But even if half of what has been reported is accurate it should still be concerning. Unfortunately there are some idiots out there who read these stories sink some p!ss get all puffed up with "patriotic pride" and decide they are going to show those "Muso S!uts what's what!" I was raised with the view it is wrong to hit a woman or use bad language in front of them, this was quite a common view when i was growing up. I am sure there are many Australians who believe it is wrong to hit a woman and also believe it is wrong to pick on someone smaller than yourself. Of course Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy allows wife beating if you fear disobedience which is one way Islam differs from Australian culture. quran.com/4/34 The Lebanese ambulance hoax, the al Dura hoax, the Grand Muftis lies along with Carnita Mathews and general bullshit from muslims who are allowed to lie leads me to question everything they claim. Taqiyya is a shiite concept, the sunni are allowed to lie to reconcile 2 or more people and in times of war, non muslim land is called Dar al Harb (Land of war). Of course we had that media report of a muslim woman being pushed from a moving train which was bullshit,the Islamophobia register still has that incident on their list.

Raven believes most men were raised knowing that it is wrong to hit a woman, but as you know it still occurs.

The last one on the list did happen and it is quite possible a few of the others did.

Unfortunately these woman are easily targeted because they are so identifiably Muslim, it is not outside the realm of possibility that cowards would strike out against them.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Hate blinds twittering fools from the evil truth Miranda Devine Wednesday,   October   08,   2014  (12:54am)  THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State have leftists all at sea. They have made common cause with Islamism against their real foe, the Judaeo-Christian capitalist west, and it’s all a bit uncomfortable.  :) But when even the United Nations confirms that IS is beheading, raping, enslaving and torturing innocent civilians, they still can’t bring themselves to condemn the evil in front of their eyes. Instead they evade, distract, ignore, and attack with all sorts of false moral equivalencies, from evil Israel to the so-called “Christian” (actually agnostic) Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh. Anything to avoid the awful truth, that the totalitarian ideology of radical Islam is on the march, potentially as dangerous as the communist ideology which killed 100 million people last century. Crikey’s Bernard Keane tells us we should focus on “less glamorous subjects” than terrorism which “kills fewer Australians than even the most exotic causes of death”.  8-) The ABC’s Jonathan Holmes pours scorn on Attorney-General George Brandis’ claim that we face an “existential threat” from the Islamo-fascists, and declares climate change is much scarier. Tell that to the beheaded Christians and Yazidis. University of Western Sydney academic George Morgan pops up on the opinion pages of The Sydney Morning Herald to tell us Islamophobia is more of a threat than Islamist terrorism.   :-/

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THE undeniable atrocities being committed by Islamic State have leftists all at sea

And she takes a jump to the right
and then step to the right with
she brings her knees in tight to the right.
But it's the pelvic thrust to the right
That really drives you insane.
Let's do the conservative time-warp again.
Let's do the miranda time-warp again.