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AN Islamic group has condemned the government’s planned terror laws as “a provocation to act”, in a strongly worded statement that appears to legitimise participation in attacks on Israel.    In a submission to the joint standing committee on intelligence and security inquiry into the bills, the Islamic Council of Vic­toria has warned of a “volatile clim­ate” in the Middle East that “continues to produce groups which have to take up armed struggle”. The submission cites the battle against the Assad regime in Syria and “the struggle against the occupation of Palestinian territory and Palestinian right to self-determin­ation in the face of Israeli aggression” as examples, adding that “many in the Muslim community support such movements and deem them to be legitimate forms of armed struggle”. The submission attacks the government for “a double-stand­ard in ... actions to cancel passports for Muslims wanting to go overseas to Syria or Iraq to perhaps assis­t with aid while ignoring the travel of Zionist Jews wishing to travel to Israel — a state which illegal­ly occupies Palestinian territ­ory with intention of fighting in a war against Gazans and has been accused of war crimes.” The comments drew a fierce response from committee member and Liberal MP Andrew Nikolic. “I totally reject the Islamic Council’s legitimisation of ‘armed struggle’ against Israel,” Mr Nikolic said. “This sort of language makes it less likely that Israelis and Palestinians will one day exist side-by-side in peace and security.” Mr Nikolic, a career soldier for more than 30 years, drew on his experience living in Israel and working in Syria and South Lebanon as a UN military team leader during the first Gulf War. “I have seen firsthand the threats confronting Israel’s very existence and strongly support ­Israel’s right to defend itself from the attacks of Hamas and other militants,” he said. “But the only way of supporting a peaceful, durable resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is through dialogue and negotiation — not armed struggle.” Mr Nikolic described the comparison of travel to Israel with terrorist travel to Syria and Iraq as “highly inappropriate”. “Israel is a functioning democracy guided by the rule of law, while large parts of Syria and Iraq are ungoverned spaces controlled by brutal terrorists,” he said. The submission also drew rebukes from Jewish bodies.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/muslim-group-accuses-government-of-doublestandards-in-terror-laws/story-fnpdbcmu-1227084291286

this is NOT assimilating
this is showing strong sympathy for terrorists who have the same religion

Quote:

TONY Abbott has labelled radical Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir “unIslamic” and “unAustralian” after a prominent member refused to condemn beheadings by Islamic State.    In a heated interview on the ABC on Wednesday, Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi sidestepped questions about IS tactics and refused to condemn murders and beheadings. The prime minister said the group was careful to avoid advocating terrorism but often made excuses for terrorist organisations. “Hizb ut-Tahrir is an organisation with an ideology which justifies terrorism and that’s why I say it’s unAustralian,” he told Fairfax Radio on Thursday. “It’s also unIslamic, because no respectable Muslim should have these views.” The government can’t ban Hizb ut-Tahrir unless the group engages in terrorism, however new laws to be introduced into parliament by the end of the year would make it illegal to promote terrorism. The comments come after Mr Abbott revealed plans to red-card “hate preachers” brought in from overseas to speak at events hosted by groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir. “I say to the preachers of hate, if you think you’re coming to Australia to spread your pernicious message, your divisive ideology think again,” he said. “It’s one thing for Australians born and bred to be saying things that are objectionable but it’s another thing for preachers of hate to be coming in from overseas.” Mr Doureihi accused Australian and other western governments of being complicit in the killings of millions of Muslims as a result of foreign policies. He said western politicians were using IS as the “latest bogeyman”. Mr Abbott said he hoped Mr Doureihi, who is Australian, would “wake up to himself”. Hizb ut-Tahrir will hold a lecture titled The War to End a Blessed Revolution against United States-led combat in Syria in Sydney’s Lakemba on Friday night. Mr Abbott was asked by one female talkback caller why he had not condemned attacks on Muslim women amid the debate about the burqa. The prime minister said he had long believed Australians should be entitled to wear what they like. “Not everyone likes different forms of attire, I’ve been on the record there as well,” he said. “But in a free society what people wear is entirely up to them — always has been, as far as I’m concerned, always should be.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/tony-abbott-condemns-hizb-uttahrir-over-beheadings/story-fnpdbcmu-1227084755026

this is why I hate muslims

No, Sprint it is showing concern for fellow Muslims who are being oppressed by an alien state which has been imposed on them by international fiat.   The reality of the establishment of Israel has been a determined effort to ethnically cleanse Palestine of non-Jewish peoples who resist the imposition of Israeli occupation.    ::)

I recognise Israel's right to exist BTW, before you try and suggest otherwise.  However it should return to it's 1948 borders and stop trying to colonise the Occupied Territories illegally.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

No, Sprint it is showing concern for fellow Muslims who are being oppressed by an alien state which has been imposed on them by international fiat.   The reality of the establishment of Israel has been a determined effort to ethnically cleanse Palestine of non-Jewish peoples who resist the imposition of Israeli occupation.    ::) I recognise Israel's right to exist BTW, before you try and suggest otherwise.

Of course you do!             :P






Quote:

However it should return to it's 1948 borders and stop trying to colonise the Occupied Territories illegally.

Of course Israel should!             :P





How to solve the Arab/Israeli conflict,        it is so, so easy!!!!!.........

Klavan's One-State Solution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU

3 minutes of brilliance!!!!!                  ;D                  ;D                  ;D

Yadda wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:40pm: No, Sprint it is showing concern for fellow Muslims who are being oppressed by an alien state which has been imposed on them by international fiat.   The reality of the establishment of Israel has been a determined effort to ethnically cleanse Palestine of non-Jewish peoples who resist the imposition of Israeli occupation.    ::) I recognise Israel's right to exist BTW, before you try and suggest otherwise.  Of course you do!             :P

You have evidence to the contrary, Y?   ::)


Quote:

[quote] However it should return to it's 1948 borders and stop trying to colonise the Occupied Territories illegally.

Of course Israel should!             :P
[/quote]

It is the morally correct course, Y.

Do you believe Israel should be rewarded for it's aggression?   ::)


Quote:

How to solve the Arab/Israeli conflict,        it is so, so easy!!!!!......... Klavan's One-State Solution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU 3 minutes of brilliance!!!!!                  ;D                  ;D                  ;D

3 minutes of Zionist racism.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 11:52pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 9:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:40pm: No, Sprint it is showing concern for fellow Muslims who are being oppressed by an alien state which has been imposed on them by international fiat.   The reality of the establishment of Israel has been a determined effort to ethnically cleanse Palestine of non-Jewish peoples who resist the imposition of Israeli occupation.    ::) I recognise Israel's right to exist BTW, before you try and suggest otherwise.  Of course you do!             :P You have evidence to the contrary, Y?   ::)

Only your overt opinion towards Israeli 'racists', that has been expressed here, on OzPol.



"3 minutes of Zionist racism."

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 11:52pm:

Quote: [quote] However it should return to it's 1948 borders and stop trying to colonise the Occupied Territories illegally. Of course Israel should!             :P

It is the morally correct course, Y.


[/quote]

Really!!!         :D




Quote:

Do you believe Israel should be rewarded for it's aggression?   ::)

Israel should be rewarded - for maintaining itself as an island of relative peace,       surrounded by an ocean of conflicted and warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult.


IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg

Q.
Who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [the moslem] that it is 'lawful' for them [the moslem], to murder those who do not believe, as they believe ???

A.
The warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers surrounding Israel.







But remember Brian;       ....'ISLAM is peace!'

Honest!!!!             :D             :D             :D





WATCH THIS YOUTUBE....
"Farewell Israel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-IwwfeLp4M



ONLY READ THIS, AFTER YOU HAVE WATCHED THE YOUTUBE....

Isaiah 17:12
Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13  The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
14  And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 11:52pm:

Quote: How to solve the Arab/Israeli conflict,        it is so, so easy!!!!!......... Klavan's One-State Solution http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU 3 minutes of brilliance!!!!!                  ;D                  ;D                  ;D 3 minutes of Zionist racism.    ::)

Aaaaawwwww.                  :'(

So bitter Brian,         ....for someone who professes to be, or presents himself as, an infidel.         ;)

IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg




Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

IMAGE.... http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg Q. Who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [the moslem] that it is 'lawful' for them [the moslem], to murder those who do not believe, as they believe ??? A. The warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers surrounding Israel.

Warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers and crazed beheaders surrounding Israel.


???


ISLAM, in all of its 'glory'.....




"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg




THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

this is why I hate muslims

arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL...

HATE is what keeps this alive..

children are not born with GUNS in their hands..

but they are born with HATE in their hearts..

I very much believe in the old saying..

those who rock the cradle rule the world....

if we keep HATE alive...it will return 10 fold.

n o need to worry about climate change or ebola..

HATE will put us all in the dark ages..

come on sprint your better than that surely???..

cods wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm: this is why I hate muslims arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL...

Exactly.

cods wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm: this is why I hate muslims arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL... HATE is what keeps this alive.. children are not born with GUNS in their hands.. but they are born with HATE in their hearts.. I very much believe in the old saying.. those who rock the cradle rule the world.... if we keep HATE alive...it will return 10 fold. n o need to worry about climate change or ebola.. HATE will put us all in the dark ages.. come on sprint your better than that surely???..

THEY SHALL JUSTIFY THE RIGHTEOUS, AND CONDEMN THE WICKED


QUESTION;
If a man see some wicked thing, and set it right, who has he offended but the wicked?

Righteousness, is doing what is right and just.

Righteousness, is doing what the wicked hate.


"....and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked."   Proverbs 29:27


++++

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18  He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.


Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.


Deuteronomy 27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.


Psalms 7:11
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.


Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3  He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4  In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.


Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:...


Psalms 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.


Psalms 106:30
Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed.
31  And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore.


Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:..


Proverbs 9:6
Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
7  He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
8  Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.


Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.


Proverbs 21:15
It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.


Proverbs 24:24
He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
25  But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.


Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.


Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.






Isaiah 59:15
Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.


Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.


Hosea 12:6
Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment,....


Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.


1 Thessalonians 5:19
Quench not the Spirit.
20  Despise not prophesyings.
21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.


Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

When muslims say the west are barbarians and they caused the mess in the middleast, everyone screams radical, but when non muslims blam the weat for the west nobody seems to care

Noam Chomsky: Rise of Islamic State stems from U.S. ‘sledgehammer’ against Iraq


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/noam-chomsky-rise-of-islamic-state-stems-from-u-s-sledgehammer-against-iraq/

cods wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm: this is why I hate muslims arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL... HATE is what keeps this alive..

IMAGE....
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4202307.ece/alternates/s615/Aqsa-Mahmood.jpg

QUESTION;
How many times, has an 'Aqsa Mahmood' passed you in the street, in Australia ?



'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women.

'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood, "said she wanted to behead Christians with a “blunt knife”."


Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165





Aqsa Mahmood - she has such a pretty and 'innocent' face, wouldn't you say, cods ?



cods,

Aqsa Mahmood, is FACILITATING the rape and brutalisation of women and young girls, by -- MOSLEM MEN -- in Syria and/or Iraq.

Aqsa Mahmood, is worthy of my hatred.

But you believe that to hate and to abhor such evil, such and evil person, is 'wrong' ?


Dictionary;
abhor = = detest; hate.

wally1 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:41am:

Noam Chomsky: Rise of Islamic State stems from U.S. ‘sledgehammer’ against Iraq

Of course it does!            :D            :D            :D






And Noam Chomsky is an obvious genius.            :D            :D            :D




The rise of of ISIS has nothing at all to do with ISLAM, nor with moslems taking advantage of the opportunities that have presented themselves, to moslems.           :D

Rather the rise of ISIS, is solely to do, with the wrongdoing of non-moslems.            :P

http://i.imgur.com/FYewVBf.jpg

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:44am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm: this is why I hate muslims arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL... HATE is what keeps this alive.. IMAGE.... http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4202307.ece/alternates/s615/Aqsa-Mahmood.jpg QUESTION; How many times, has an 'Aqsa Mahmood' passed you in the street, in Australia ? 'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood - running ISIS brothels, allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women. 'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood, "said she wanted to behead Christians with a “blunt knife”." Mirror Online-British female jihadis running ISIS brothels allowing killers to rape kidnapped Yazidi women http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165 Aqsa Mahmood - she has such a pretty and 'innocent' face, wouldn't you say, cods ? cods, Aqsa Mahmood, is FACILITATING the rape and brutalisation of women and young girls, by -- MOSLEM MEN -- in Syria and/or Iraq. Aqsa Mahmood, is worthy of my hatred. But you believe that to hate and to abhor such evil, such and evil person, is 'wrong' ? Dictionary; abhor = = detest; hate.

Yazidis lol.

which ones?the 40,000 on mount sinjar.No hold on the 20,000 of them, no no hang on, the couple of hundred of them who live on mount sinjar.

Yazidis Weren’t Stranded, Pentagon Looks for Other Missions

The 40,000 Yazidis stranded on the mountain. That was the pretext for US military intervention in Iraq, as set out by President Obama last Thursday. The air war was commenced, and officials were talking up sending ground forces for “rescue” operations as recently as this afternoon.

But a funny thing happened when the US “advisers” got to Mount Sinjar. There weren’t 40,000 starving Yazidis stranded there. In fact, the indications are that there never were, and the Pentagon quickly dropped the “rescue” plan.

What happened? It turns out there were Yazidis already living on the top of the mountain, and while there were some refugees who fled up there, the humanitarian crisis was never what it was made out to be, and an influx of Kurdish PKK fighters from Syria quickly broke the overblown siege.

The Pentagon is trying to manage the narrative by simply saying the rescue mission “appears unnecessary,” but the fact that it was used to start a US war remains, and the State Department is doubling down, trying to spin the lack of a crisis as vindication of the war.

“President said we’re going to break the siege of this mountain, and we broke that siege,” bragged Brett McGurk on Twitter, neglecting to mention that the siege was largely mythical in the first place. The Pentagon wasn’t nearly so daring as to take credit for solving a crisis that didn’t exist.

Instead, the Pentagon is combing the countryside of northwestern Iraq, where their former casus belli was before it so rudely evaporated, and looking for other crises that they might use as a justification for continuing and escalating the war.

Officials seem to be totally ignoring the obvious question: where the false story of a massive Yazidi crisis came from in the first place. In that regard, there are no easy answers, though the obvious beneficiaries of the new US war are the Kurdish Peshmerga, which are suddenly getting flooded with Western arms to fight ISIS, and eventually, to fuel their secession.

The administration just seems grateful that they got an excuse to start a war they’ve been chomping at the bit for, and even if the excuse didn’t exactly pan out, they’ll quickly find another.

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:20am:

cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:44am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm: this is why I hate muslims arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL... HATE is what keeps this alive.. children are not born with GUNS in their hands.. but they are born with HATE in their hearts.. I very much believe in the old saying.. those who rock the cradle rule the world.... if we keep HATE alive...it will return 10 fold. n o need to worry about climate change or ebola.. HATE will put us all in the dark ages.. come on sprint your better than that surely???.. THEY SHALL JUSTIFY THE RIGHTEOUS, AND CONDEMN THE WICKED QUESTION; If a man see some wicked thing, and set it right, who has he offended but the wicked? Righteousness, is doing what is right and just. Righteousness, is doing what the wicked hate. "....and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked."   Proverbs 29:27 ++++ Deuteronomy 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: 18  He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment. Deuteronomy 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. Deuteronomy 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Psalms 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. Psalms 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. 5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Psalms 15:1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. 3  He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour. 4  In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not. Psalms 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:... Psalms 106:3 Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times. Psalms 106:30 Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed. 31  And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore. Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:.. Proverbs 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding. 7  He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot. 8  Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. 9  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. 10  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 15:9 The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD. Proverbs 21:15 It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity. Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: 25  But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them. Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. 5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things. Proverbs 29:27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked. Isaiah 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. Amos 5:14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. 15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph. Hosea 12:6 Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment,.... Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. 20  Despise not prophesyings. 21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22  Abstain from all appearance of evil. Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

I dont believe two wrongs make a right??..

it is what evil wants... they want you to HATE them as much as they HATE you...its all they need to keep the blood spilling...

I didnt say you have to like or accept what they do.. but sprint said he hates MUSLIMS>that is what ISIL is saying

wally1 wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

http://i.imgur.com/FYewVBf.jpg

a few things have changed in 4 years...maybe you havent noticed.

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:11am:

warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult.

No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 9th, 2014 at 8:39pm: this is why I hate muslims arent you being as extreme and fanatical as SISL... HATE is what keeps this alive.. children are not born with GUNS in their hands.. but they are born with HATE in their hearts.. I very much believe in the old saying.. those who rock the cradle rule the world.... if we keep HATE alive...it will return 10 fold. n o need to worry about climate change or ebola.. HATE will put us all in the dark ages.. come on sprint your better than that surely???..

Cods - if an organisation puts up a spokesperson who gives tacit approval to terrorists and murder, that organsation merits my hate, being banned and the members being deported, or casterated and sent to slave camps.

it'ld be nice if everyone loved each other, but that is not the case when terrorists wish to impose their ideology over the rest of the world.

Have a good weekend



Quote:

.......Wednesday, Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi sidestepped questions about IS tactics and refused to condemn murders and beheadings. The prime minister said the group was careful ............

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Cods - if an organisation puts up a spokesperson who gives tacit approval to terrorists and murder, that organsation merits my hate, being banned and the members being deported, or casterated and sent to slave camps.

Advocating slavery.

Charming.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Cods - if an organisation puts up a spokesperson who gives tacit approval to terrorists and murder, that organsation merits my hate, being banned and the members being deported, or casterated and sent to slave camps.

When are you departing for your slave camp?  We can have a farewell party.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:11am: warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult. No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

I'm a little hard of hearing Hot_Breath,        ....SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY ?i



IMAGE....
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/27/1227038/812722-d0870956-2cc7-11e4-a978-2255e0b773c2.jpg

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"
Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.








IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012

Rejecting ISLAM, is an insult to Allah's perfect religion.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right of the moslem,        ...to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
i



IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London

Rejecting ISLAM, is an insult to Allah's perfect religion.

Moslems on London streets, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right of the moslem,        ...to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"






Q.
Who defines 'peace' [among mankind] as total submission to Allah's will ?

A.
The moslem.



Q.
Who defines anyone who resists Allah's will, as a criminal and as a terrorist ?

A.
The moslem.




Q.
Who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [the moslem] that it is 'lawful' for them [the moslem], to murder those who do not believe, as they believe ???

A.
The moslem.



AGAIN.....

IMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg

Q.
Who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [the moslem] that it is 'lawful' for them [the moslem], to murder those who do not believe, as they believe ???

A.
The moslem.iISLAM, in all of its 'glory'.




"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg




THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:12am: Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:11am: warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult. No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D I'm a little hard of hearing Hot_Breath,        ....SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY ?

You read it Yadda.  The mere fact you're replying shows you read it.   You keep showing us just how bigoted you are.   Keep it up, you do more to discredit yourself than anything I could ever do!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:21pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:12am: Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:11am: warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult. No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D I'm a little hard of hearing Hot_Breath,        ....SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY ? You read it Yadda.  The mere fact you're replying shows you read it. You keep showing us just how bigoted you are. Keep it up, you do more to discredit yourself than anything I could ever do!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

Of course i read it.                 :-?



Hot_Breath,

The truth is that you claim that i am a bigot,        because i criticise the murderous religious bigotry of moslems and ISLAM.

So be it.


BUT, in Syria and Iraq ISIS moslems are murdering fellow human beings, for the sole reason that their victims, do not believe what they [moslems] believe !!!!


Hot_Breath,

Don't you think that those moslems in Syria and Iraq are demonstrating just a little, just a tiny bit, of murderous religious bigotry ?






Hot_Breath,

ISIS 'MONSTERS' [VIOLENT RELIGIOUS BIGOTS] ARE HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA TOO!

AND THOSE 'MONSTERS' ARE EFFECTIVELY 'SWIMMING' [finding willing refuge] WITHIN THE THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, HERE IN AUSTRALIA.;


IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are -  towards those who don't hold with the views of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion'.

Demanding the 'religious' right, to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.






THE TRUTH IS, THAT MAINSTREAM ISLAM MAKES LAWFUL, THE KILLING OF NON-MOSLEMS WHO REJECT ISLAM

Hot_Breath,

Don't you think that that, is religious bigotry ?

What do you think that the word, 'bigot' means ???


ISLAMIC law texts - pronouncing death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."




AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260





Hot_Breath,

Open a dictionary...

Dictionary;
bigot = = a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:30am: Cods - if an organisation puts up a spokesperson who gives tacit approval to terrorists and murder, that organsation merits my hate, being banned and the members being deported, or casterated and sent to slave camps. When are you departing for your slave camp?  We can have a farewell party.   :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

what is your suggestion for terrorists and like minded people greg ?

Quote:

................the clash between the Kurds and Yazidis with the Islamic State savages in Syria has spilled over to other regions, specifically Germany, where Kurds and Yazidis held marches demonstrating against IS. In what has to be considered concrete evidence of widespread support for IS among Germany’s Muslim community, hundreds of Muslims confronted the demonstrators. 23 people were injured in the subsequent violence. Unfortunately, Germany is far from the only country in which support for IS has arisen amongst Muslims. In Pakistan, the Tehrik-i-Taliban jihadist terrorist group joined Abu Sayyef, Boko Haram and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in pledging allegiance to the Islamic State, directing its members and supporters to back the Caliphate. Now, we have a brand new area of IS support surfacing. Japanese authorities are investigating a group in their country who planned to travel to Syria to fight for IS........... ...

What would you do about that lot greg ?

No deflection please.
What would YOU do if you could ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

what is your suggestion for terrorists and like minded people greg ?

Lock 'em up as soon as possible, for as long as possible.

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:40pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 12:21pm: |dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:12am: Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:11am: warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult. No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D I'm a little hard of hearing Hot_Breath,        ....SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY ? You read it Yadda.  The mere fact you're replying shows you read it. You keep showing us just how bigoted you are. Keep it up, you do more to discredit yourself than anything I could ever do!   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D Of course i read it.                 :-?

So, why your comment which suggests you didn't Yadda?

You really are a clown, you realise?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:11am: warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult. No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Only stupidity in that comment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 1:51pm: what is your suggestion for terrorists and like minded people greg ? Lock 'em up as soon as possible, for as long as possible.

Thanks for an honest straight answer

An apologist  for islamic terrorism wrote in Reply #4 - Yesterday at 11:52pm:


Quote:

However it should return to it's 1948 borders and stop trying to colonise the Occupied Territories illegally. Do you believe Israel should be rewarded for it's aggression?

As usual apologists for islamic terrorists are liars.

The truth about Israel and the 1948 war and the 1967 5 day war is:

In May 1948, Israel became an independent state after Israel was recognised by the  United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East

Israel was attacked on the same day it gained its independence – May 14th. The armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel.

The invading Arabs states called for the Arab population to leave Israel, they declared it would be ("a war of extermination and a momentous massacre"). They would drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea.

muslims were told to leave Israel by the invading muslim armies.

Those that left were told that they could come back and take all the Jews possessions.

Those that stayed were told they would be killed with the Jews.

Although the muslim armies enormously outnumbered the Jews, the muslims were soundly defeated (they were flogged on every front) 

Egypt signed a peace settlement in February 1949, and over the next few months Lebanon, Jordan and Syria did the same culminating in peace in July 1949. Iraq simply withdrew her forces but did not sign any peace settlement.


On the morning of June 5, 1967, Israel responded to Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran. By June 11, the conflict had come to include Jordan and Syria. As a result of this conflict, Israel gained control over the Sinai peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

The truth is muslims were the aggressors, the Jews are most definitely entitled to the territory they captured defending themselves from muslims who had sworn to exterminate the Israelites.

moses,

Further, international law allows nations who are attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], to occupy and annex land that was previously recognised as being a part of another state [e.g. Arab states, 1948] because of aggression and attacks, upon a neighbouring state [Israel, 1948].


And international law does not prohibit a state which was attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], from occupying and annexing the lands of an aggressor, so as to prevent further attacks.

"...the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy."



Quote:

"ISRAEL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW....Israel’s presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defence. International law forbids acquisition by unlawful force, but not where, as in the case of Israel’s self-defence in 1967, the entry on the territory was lawful. It does not so forbid it,....for the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy. There is no such rule..."

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1528

Interesting you gloss over the 1956 war, Moses.  Why?  Are the facts too embarrassing?  Where Israel conspired with the UK and France to mount an unprovoked attack on Egypt to provide a casus belli for the Anglo-French invasion to retake the Suez Canal after Nasser nationalised it?  A act considered so outrageous that even the Americans couldn't find the stomach to back it and forced the withdrawal of the Anglo-French forces by threatening to call in it's financial loans to the French and the British?

Then we have the truth about the 1967 Six Day war, Moses.  As laid out in several books, the Israelis deliberately went out of their way to provoke the Egyptians into closing the Straits of Tiran to provide them with a casus belli.   Always remember, the Israelis attacked first in both wars, Moses.

Then we have the 1973 Yom Kippur war.  The only one of these wars, apart from 1948 when the Arabs attacked first.   They nearly won that one, too, coming within a whisker of doing so.   I'm actually thankful they didn't.  Their vengeance would have been hot and bloody and would have resulted in unnecessary suffering.   Their defeat taught the Egyptians that the only way they were going to recover lost territories was through negotiation and unfortunately, abandoning the Palestinians.

1982, the Israelis invaded and destroyed Lebanon.  1993 and 1996 saw them repeat the exercise.  Even the Israeli ex-Prime Minister begin admitted that they were basically unprovoked and were designed more to destroy the PLO than necessarily secure the borders of Israel.  In doing so, essentially they created the conditions which created Hizbollah.

Israel made territorial gains which were not, are not recognised by any other nation in all those conflicts.   They hold lands belonging to other nations and have made strenuous efforts at ethnic cleansing and colonisation.

I believe Israel's legitimacy is based on UN General Assembly Resolution 181, passed on 29 Novemeber 1947.   There was no resolution in May 1948 recognising Israel as an independent state in that month, Moses so the site where you found that is incorrect.  (You really do need to credit where you find information BTW, if you want to have any credibility.)  If Israel wants to be considered a legitimate nation it must retreat to the borders Resolution 181 established.   Otherwise it cannot claim any form of moral right to it's actions.   It needs to withdraw it's colonists from the Occupied Territories and dismantle all the settlements and allow an international commission to adjudicate over the issue of Jerusalem.

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

moses, Further, international law allows nations who are attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], to occupy and annex land that was previously recognised as being a part of another state [e.g. Arab states, 1948] because of aggression and attacks, upon a neighbouring state [Israel, 1948]. And international law does not prohibit a state which was attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], from occupying and annexing the lands of an aggressor, so as to prevent further attacks. "...the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy." Quote: "ISRAEL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW....Israel’s presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defence. International law forbids acquisition by unlawful force, but not where, as in the case of Israel’s self-defence in 1967, the entry on the territory was lawful. It does not so forbid it,....for the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy. There is no such rule..." http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1528

Except as we have seen, Yadda, Israel did not enter those lands "lawfully".   It is also telling that no other nation, not even the United States, Israel's protector and backer, has recognised the Israeli attempted annexation of the Occupied Territories and the Golan Heights.   ::)

BTW, your link doesn't work.  It doesn't take me to that body of text.  Please fix it, so I can check it.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Interesting you gloss over the 1956 war, Moses.  Why?  Are the facts too embarrassing?  Where Israel conspired with the UK and France to mount an unprovoked attack on Egypt to provide a casus belli for the Anglo-French invasion to retake the Suez Canal after Nasser nationalised it?  A act considered so outrageous that even the Americans couldn't find the stomach to back it and forced the withdrawal of the Anglo-French forces by threatening to call in it's financial loans to the French and the British? Then we have the truth about the 1967 Six Day war, Moses.  As laid out in several books, the Israelis deliberately went out of their way to provoke the Egyptians into closing the Straits of Tiran to provide them with a casus belli.   Always remember, the Israelis attacked first in both wars, Moses. Then we have the 1973 Yom Kippur war.  The only one of these wars, apart from 1948 when the Arabs attacked first.   They nearly won that one, too, coming within a whisker of doing so.   I'm actually thankful they didn't.  Their vengeance would have been hot and bloody and would have resulted in unnecessary suffering.   Their defeat taught the Egyptians that the only way they were going to recover lost territories was through negotiation and unfortunately, abandoning the Palestinians. 1982, the Israelis invaded and destroyed Lebanon.  1993 and 1996 saw them repeat the exercise.  Even the Israeli ex-Prime Minister begin admitted that they were basically unprovoked and were designed more to destroy the PLO than necessarily secure the borders of Israel.  In doing so, essentially they created the conditions which created Hizbollah. Israel made territorial gains which were not, are not recognised by any other nation in all those conflicts.   They hold lands belonging to other nations and have made strenuous efforts at ethnic cleansing and colonisation. I believe Israel's legitimacy is based on UN General Assembly Resolution 181, passed on 29 Novemeber 1947.   There was no resolution in May 1948 recognising Israel as an independent state in that month, Moses so the site where you found that is incorrect.  (You really do need to credit where you find information BTW, if you want to have any credibility.)  If Israel wants to be considered a legitimate nation it must retreat to the borders Resolution 181 established.   Otherwise it cannot claim any form of moral right to it's actions.   It needs to withdraw it's colonists from the Occupied Territories and dismantle all the settlements and allow an international commission to adjudicate over the issue of Jerusalem.

To retake the Suez canal.
It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence.

Soren wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

To retake the Suez canal. It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence.

So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you?

You seem to assume that the Egyptians weren't warranted in seizing what were, afterall, their assets, built on their land (without their permission) and which was not paying revenue to their economy.  They did offer compensation, based on the value the British and French had claimed in preceding years.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 7:07pm: moses, Further, international law allows nations who are attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], to occupy and annex land that was previously recognised as being a part of another state [e.g. Arab states, 1948] because of aggression and attacks, upon a neighbouring state [Israel, 1948]. And international law does not prohibit a state which was attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], from occupying and annexing the lands of an aggressor, so as to prevent further attacks. "...the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy." Quote: "ISRAEL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW....Israel’s presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defence. International law forbids acquisition by unlawful force, but not where, as in the case of Israel’s self-defence in 1967, the entry on the territory was lawful. It does not so forbid it,....for the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy. There is no such rule..." http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1528 Except as we have seen, Yadda, Israel did not enter those lands "lawfully".   It is also telling that no other nation, not even the United States, Israel's protector and backer, has recognised the Israeli attempted annexation of the Occupied Territories and the Golan Heights.   ::) BTW, your link doesn't work.  It doesn't take me to that body of text.  Please fix it, so I can check it.    ::)

Apologies for the dead link.

Try this one;

http://www.jerusalemposts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&printertopic=1&t=21525&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&vote=viewresult&popup=1


Google;
Israel and international law by Melanie Phillips

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:58pm: To retake the Suez canal. It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence. So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you? You seem to assume that the Egyptians weren't warranted in seizing what were, afterall, their assets, built on their land (without their permission) and which was not paying revenue to their economy.  They did offer compensation, based on the value the British and French had claimed in preceding years.   ::)

No, they were not warranted.

Yadda wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Apologies for the dead link. Try this one; http://www.jerusalemposts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&printertopic=1&t=21525&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&vote=viewresult&popup=1 Google; Israel and international law by Melanie Phillips

Thank you for the revised link.  Interesting.  However, Phillips' use of the pejorative names of  Judea and Samaria in the first paragraph on the page shows where her biases lie.  Further, the Stone pamphlet which she allegedly quotes from appears flawed in it's reasoning IMHO and your attempt to use this as justification for annexation and ethnic cleansing is as well.   While Israel may, by conquest be the occupying power that does not give it to the right to necessarily annex lands.  Further, if you really want to go down the route of international law in this way, I'd be careful as there is a good case which can be made against Israel in it's failings of it's responsibilities as an Occupying Power, Y.

I suspect that as like many Christian Zionists you support Israel because of your belief in the reality of the Bible and the Jews as "the chosen people", am I correct, Y?   It is an article of faith for you.  For the rest of the world, it's a much murkier world where precedent, agreement and acceptance are much more important.

The reality is, Israel has been engaged in Ethnic Cleansing and Imperialism in Palestine.   It seeks to create "Eretz Israel" (literally, "Greater Israel").   It's government uses people such as yourself as "useful idiots" as Lenin once called them.   Don't let your faith blind you to injustices committed in the name of your god, Y.  You're betraying your faith and it's doctrine.   

Soren wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:35pm: Soren wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:58pm: To retake the Suez canal. It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence. So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you? You seem to assume that the Egyptians weren't warranted in seizing what were, afterall, their assets, built on their land (without their permission) and which was not paying revenue to their economy.  They did offer compensation, based on the value the British and French had claimed in preceding years.   ::) No, they were not warranted.

They and I beg to differ.  Even the Government of the United States disagreed with you, Soren.   How does it feel, sitting out on that branch, all on your own?    ::)

Adamant wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:12am: Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:11am: warmongering subhuman barbarians and wanna-be-murderers, who are inspired by an evil death cult. No bigotry there, now is there Yadda?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Only stupidity in that comment.

You really can't see bigotry, can you?  Perhaps it's because you're a bigot too?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:35pm: Soren wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:58pm: To retake the Suez canal. It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence. So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you? You seem to assume that the Egyptians weren't warranted in seizing what were, afterall, their assets, built on their land (without their permission) and which was not paying revenue to their economy.  They did offer compensation, based on the value the British and French had claimed in preceding years.   ::) No, they were not warranted. They and I beg to differ.  Even the Government of the United States disagreed with you, Soren.   How does it feel, sitting out on that branch, all on your own?    ::)

Not alone, numpty. The Brits and the French keep me company.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:35pm: Soren wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:58pm: To retake the Suez canal. It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence. So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you? You seem to assume that the Egyptians weren't warranted in seizing what were, afterall, their assets, built on their land (without their permission) and which was not paying revenue to their economy.  They did offer compensation, based on the value the British and French had claimed in preceding years.   ::) No, they were not warranted. They and I beg to differ.  Even the Government of the United States disagreed with you, Soren.   How does it feel, sitting out on that branch, all on your own?    ::)

Not alone, numpty. The Brits and the French keep me company.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:35pm: Apologies for the dead link. Try this one; http://www.jerusalemposts.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&printertopic=1&t=21525&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&vote=viewresult&popup=1 Google; Israel and international law by Melanie Phillips Thank you for the revised link.  Interesting.  However, Phillips' use of the pejorative names of  Judea and Samaria in the first paragraph on the page shows where her biases lie.

Judea and Samaria sound so much more appropriate descriptors than 'The West Bank', imo.

But hey, i'm biased too.





Quote:

Further, the Stone pamphlet which she allegedly quotes from appears flawed in it's reasoning IMHO and your attempt to use this as justification for annexation and ethnic cleansing is as well.   While Israel may, by conquest be the occupying power that does not give it to the right to necessarily annex lands.

Brian,

That is incredible!!!!!!

Why so ?

Because it is a religious and historical FACT that moslems think that this is a perfectly legal way [for moslems] to acquire land.

Is your objection to the Jews annexing [what was] their [own] ancient homeland, because the Jews are not moslems ?

If so, isn't that form of argument, exposing a very 'racist' POV which you hold [in the trust of your argument] ?







Quote:

Further, if you really want to go down the route of international law in this way, I'd be careful as there is a good case which can be made against Israel in it's failings of it's responsibilities as an Occupying Power, Y.

Moot.







Quote:

I suspect that as like many Christian Zionists you support Israel because of your belief in the reality of the Bible and the Jews as "the chosen people", am I correct, Y?

Very likely.

But it is also based upon the a need for common justice to be applied to the circumstances which the Jewish people have laboured under, since their return to their own ancient homeland.

i.e.
The moslems surrounding Israel, are intent upon causing a genocide of the Jewish people.

Why so ?

Soley because the Jewish people have returned to their own ancient homeland.



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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."iQuote:

It is an article of faith for you.  For the rest of the world, it's a much murkier world where precedent, agreement and acceptance are much more important.

For the rest of the world, it's a much more about 'Realpolitik' in the world, and about the real and diminished status of the Jewish people of Israel, among today's 'community' of nations.    !!!!!!!!

Shame on people like you Brian, and shame on today's 'community' of nations !!!!!!i


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The reality is, Israel has been engaged in Ethnic Cleansing and Imperialism in Palestine.

That is your expressed opinion.

It is not my opinion.i




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It seeks to create "Eretz Israel" (literally, "Greater Israel").   It's government uses people such as yourself as "useful idiots" as Lenin once called them.   Don't let your faith blind you to injustices committed in the name of your god, Y.  You're betraying your faith and it's doctrine.

Yadda holds up a mirror to Brian.

Try applying that same moral argument to moslems, who have been assailing the state of Israel [and murdering Jewish people], for more than 60 years, Brian!!!!




Deuteronomy 32:43
Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.


Jeremiah 23:8
But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

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Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

The reality is, Israel has been engaged in Ethnic Cleansing and Imperialism in Palestine.  It seeks to create "Eretz Israel" (literally, "Greater Israel"). It's government uses people such as yourself as "useful idiots" as Lenin once called them.   Don't let your faith blind you to injustices committed in the name of your god, Y.  You're betraying your faith and it's doctrine.

Brian,

I think you are in error.

My understanding is that "Eretz Israel" literally translates as, "The land of Israel".

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

The reality is, Israel has been engaged in Ethnic Cleansing and Imperialism in Palestine.

Brian,

Yeah, those nasty, nasty Zionist Imperialists !!!!

When are those Joos going to stop their expansionist land grabbing !!!!!!!!          :P

Can't we invade them, and stop them,           ....for the sake of the dying Palestinian children !!!!!!           :P





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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."

Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 5:33pm: Quote: Judea and Samaria sound so much more appropriate descriptors than 'The West Bank', imo. But hey, i'm biased too. Yes, you are, aren't you, Y?   I'm glad you recognise it.  The West Bank is the correct term for that area of the region of Palestine.  Just as Israel is another valid name for it's area of the region of Palestine. [quote] Further, the Stone pamphlet which she allegedly quotes from appears flawed in it's reasoning IMHO and your attempt to use this as justification for annexation and ethnic cleansing is as well.   While Israel may, by conquest be the occupying power that does not give it to the right to necessarily annex lands.

Brian,

That is incredible!!!!!!

Why so ?

Because it is a religious and historical FACT that moslems think that this is a perfectly legal way [for moslems] to acquire land.
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We aren't discussing Muslim belief or practice, Y.  We are discussing Israeli belief and practice.   If Muslims were to invade, occupy and attempt to annex an area of Israel, against International Law, I'd say the same thing.


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Is your objection to the Jews annexing [what was] their [own] ancient homeland, because the Jews are not moslems ?

No, my objection is based on the fact that the Palestinians have been in possession for over a thousand plus years the land where they live.  The Jews who created Israel are Johnny-come-latelies.  Their claim to the land is tenuous.   The Palestinians' based on solid documentation over that thousand plus years.


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If so, isn't that form of argument, exposing a very 'racist' POV which you hold [in the trust of your argument] ?

No.  You appear to feel I am biased towards the Palestinians in the same way you seem to be biased towards the Israelis.  I am not.  I am happy for the Israelis to live in the land which the International community ceded to them in 1948.  It is their encroachment into lands which were not granted to them, that I take issue with, Y.


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[quote]Further, if you really want to go down the route of international law in this way, I'd be careful as there is a good case which can be made against Israel in it's failings of it's responsibilities as an Occupying Power, Y.

Moot.
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Never tested.  You or the Israelis willing to submit their behaviour to proper, impartial, international scrutiny?


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[quote]I suspect that as like many Christian Zionists you support Israel because of your belief in the reality of the Bible and the Jews as "the chosen people", am I correct, Y?

Very likely.

But it is also based upon the a need for common justice to be applied to the circumstances which the Jewish people have laboured under, since their return to their own ancient homeland.
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Ah, but what then of the non-Jewish Israelis, Y?   What of the idea of common justice being applied to what has been done to the Palestinian peoples since the creation of the state of Israel?   You appear to want to only apply justice for one side of the dispute.  The side you admit you are biased in favour of because of religious belief, not it appears any innate belief in real justice.   ::)


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i.e. The moslems surrounding Israel, are intent upon causing a genocide of the Jewish people.

This would explain why two out of the three main bordering states have concluded peace treaties with Israel?   ::)


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Why so ? Soley because the Jewish people have returned to their own ancient homeland.

A homeland where a surprisingly small number had actually live since the diaspora until the creation of the modern state.   ::)


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[i]"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people. WAIL! WAIL! WAIL! Those dastardly Zionists!! We want our land back."

Except Palestinians aren't citizens of any of those other nations, Y.   ::)


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[quote]It is an article of faith for you.  For the rest of the world, it's a much murkier world where precedent, agreement and acceptance are much more important.

For the rest of the world, it's a much more about 'Realpolitik' in the world, and about the real and diminished status of the Jewish people of Israel, among today's 'community' of nations.    !!!!!!!!

Shame on people like you Brian, and shame on today's 'community' of nations !!!!!!
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Why? I accept the right of the modern state to exist.  So do the Palestinians.   Very few nations don't.   ::)


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[quote]The reality is, Israel has been engaged in Ethnic Cleansing and Imperialism in Palestine.

That is your expressed opinion.

It is not my opinion.
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How do you characterise it?   ::)

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Yadda holds up a mirror to Brian.

Try applying that same moral argument to moslems, who have been assailing the state of Israel [and murdering Jewish people], for more than 60 years, Brian!!!

I do, Y.  I don't excuse their actions, any more than I excuse the Israelis.   I do though, make an effort to understand them, Y.  I also try and understand Israel's.  You don't do that for either side.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you?

Plagiarism is ok tho, eh brian!

Adamant wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:35pm: So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you? Plagiarism is ok tho, eh brian!

Are you suggesting I've plagiarised something?  I endeavour not to, Adamant and provide references when ever I can.   Do you?

Soren wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 8:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 5:35pm: Soren wrote on Oct 11th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 11:35pm: Soren wrote on Oct 10th, 2014 at 8:58pm: To retake the Suez canal. It was not built  by Egypt. It was not for them to nationalise without consequence. So, engineering a false casus belli to justify going to war was OK by you? You seem to assume that the Egyptians weren't warranted in seizing what were, afterall, their assets, built on their land (without their permission) and which was not paying revenue to their economy.  They did offer compensation, based on the value the British and French had claimed in preceding years.   ::) No, they were not warranted. They and I beg to differ.  Even the Government of the United States disagreed with you, Soren.   How does it feel, sitting out on that branch, all on your own?    ::) Not alone, numpty. The Brits and the French keep me company.

And they do much better cheese than the Freudians.

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A QUEENSLAND man has died after travelling to Syria to fight for the terrorist group Islamic State. Afghan-born Zia Abdul Haq, 33, was killed during the conflict on October 3, The Australian newspaper reports. A foreign fighter believed to have been part of the Abdul Haq’s unit confirmed the death to The Australian on Monday, but he has yet to detail how or where he died. Afghan-born Brisbane man, known as "Abu Yusseph" and believed to be Zia AbdulHaq, who has been killed fighting with the Islamic State in Syria. Abdul Haq migrated to Australia in his 20s. He lived in Logan, south of Brisbane, with his now ex-wife and son before travelling to Syria to join IS in August. The former Brisbane City Council finance worker joined IS after attending a radical talk in Brisbane.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-man-zia-abdul-haq-killed-fighting-for-is-in-syria/story-fnihsrf2-1227089772729

why did the islamic leaders let preachers such as this talk ?

his blood is on their hands

Because emigrating to fight in the way of allah (with your money and your life) is the highest path for muslims.

Hijrah or emigrating to fight in the cause of allah

muslims and their apologists tell us those muslims who leave Australia to perform jihad overseas are not true muslims.

Another lie on their part:

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qur'an 2.218: Indeed, those who have believed and those who have emigrated and fought in the cause of Allah - those expect the mercy of Allah . And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. qur'an 3.195: And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah , and Allah has with Him the best reward." qur'an 4.100: And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah . And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful. qur'an 8.72: Indeed, those who have believed and emigrated and fought with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided - they are allies of one another. But those who believed and did not emigrate - for you there is no guardianship of them until they emigrate. And if they seek help of you for the religion, then you must help, except against a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty. And Allah is Seeing of what you do. qur'an 8.74: But those who have believed and emigrated and fought in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided - it is they who are the believers, truly. For them is forgiveness and noble provision. qur'an 8.75: And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah . Indeed, Allah is Knowing of all things. qur'an 9.20:The ones who have believed, emigrated and striven in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives are greater in rank in the sight of Allah . And it is those who are the attainers [of success]. qur'an 22.58: And those who emigrated for the cause of Allah and then were killed or died - Allah will surely provide for them a good provision. And indeed, it is Allah who is the best of providers.

Every verse tells us muslims who emigrate to strive in the cause of allah (slay and are slain), are the true believers, worthy of allah's reward.

moses wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Because emigrating to fight in the way of allah (with your money and your life) is the highest path for muslims. Hijrah or emigrating to fight in the cause of allah muslims and their apologists tell us those muslims who leave Australia to perform jihad overseas are not true muslims.

Moses, Moses, Moses,

Haven't you been keeping up with what the moslem community have been saying in their press releases, about those Australian moslems who have died in Syria ?

Those moslems who have been leaving Australia, to travel to Syria, have done so, so as to be aid workers.

Their sole motivation, in travelling to Syria and Iraq, was to bring relief to those moslems who are suffering from the war in Syria.

Honest!!!!

Those peace loving moslems from Australia are NOT travelling to Syria and Iraq, so as to fight anyone!

Such a suggestion is  a slight upon all peace loving moslems!!!       >:(



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'ISLAM is peace!'


Honest!!!!                :P





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Aqsa Mahmood - the pretty moslem medical student, from the UK.

Aqsa Mahmood went to Syria as an 'aid worker'.

So, Yadda is the House of Commons showing "terrorist sympathy" when they voted to recognise Palestine as a state overnight?   ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D

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LECTURES recorded by the “emir” of a Melbourne Islamic centre have revealed a belief in the shared obligation of fighting for the mujahideen

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

I assume he is another sympathiser

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 14^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

Quote: LECTURES recorded by the “emir” of a Melbourne Islamic centre have revealed a belief in the shared obligation of fighting for the mujahideen http://www.theaustralian.com.au/ I assume he is another sympathiser

Your link just goes to The Australian website.  Why don't you provide a link to the article itself?  Perhaps it doesn't exist?   ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D