When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over.

What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them.

Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it.

I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job.

stick us all into orange life boats, but not tell us he's doing it? what?

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif

You really need to see someone about your RMD greg.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:39am:

You really need to see someone about your RMD greg.

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http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Ewan-McGregor-Laughing.gif

It looks like that dude on the last link is going down on somebody.

If it's really greg, it'll be himself.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

If it's really greg, it'll be himself.

Jealous?

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job.

Well he certainly has won over the racist vote. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:13am: When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job. http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif

love it  ;D

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:13am: When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job. Well he certainly has won over the racist vote.

Yes.  We can't take that away from him.

Racists and talk-back radio callers certainly love him.

You see what I mean, there's a voter base already.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:13am: When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job. stick us all into orange life boats, but not tell us he's doing it? what?

Not all of us. Just fools like you.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

You see what I mean, there's a voter base already.

The public don't vote for the Prime Minister though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:57am: You see what I mean, there's a voter base already. The public don't vote for the Prime Minister though.

Going by the last election, very few of them voted Labor or Greens as well!!!

Heaven help us all if Scott is the best replacement for Tony

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:23am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:57am: You see what I mean, there's a voter base already. The public don't vote for the Prime Minister though. Going by the last election, very few of them voted Labor or Greens as well!!!

How is that relevant?


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Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all.

We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way

I was expecting that.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives.

Any examples?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:55am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way I was expecting that.

Well it is an obvious point.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples?

So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes??

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes??

Any examples?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:55am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way I was expecting that. Well it is an obvious point.

Even you know the deaths would nave kept coming if Morrison didn't stop people smuggling. Why fool yourself?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:59am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples?

There's none. Fantastic isn't it? Not like the killers in the Greens/Labor Party. They kept the sharks fed with nice tender baby meat.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:57am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:55am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way I was expecting that. Well it is an obvious point. Even you know the deaths would nave kept coming if Morrison didn't stop people smuggling. Why fool yourself?

Well I do prefer a fairly open example of that

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples? There's none.

In which case, you can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."

Why are you guys still banging on about this? It's fixed and finished. Move on for christ's  sake. You are all living the past. Move forward.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Why are you guys still banging on about this? It's fixed and finished. Move on for christ's  sake. You are all living the past. Move forward.

Yes, I agree lets not base a pollies future performance on past performance.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Why are you guys still banging on about this? It's fixed and finished. Move on for christ's  sake. You are all living the past. Move forward.

"fixed and finished" ?

Are you suggesting that there are no more people in the world fleeing persecution?

Are you giving Morriscum the credit for that too?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples? There's none. In which case, you can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."

What I said about baby meat wasn't a joke greggorry. Many of those bodies were never recovered and those hot northern waters are full of sharks. Those bodies would have been eaten by marine animals. I wonder if Sarah Fishface ever thinks about that. I'd never show my face again if I was that rodent faced moron Bowen and Sarah Fishface.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:05pm: Why are you guys still banging on about this? It's fixed and finished. Move on for christ's  sake. You are all living the past. Move forward. "fixed and finished" ? Are you suggesting that there are no more people in the world fleeing persecution? Are you giving Morriscum the credit for that too?

At the moment is fixed and finished. That's until some leftist moron starts it up again and the sharks come back on the chew.

Morrison as PM?

NEVER!

Now, Scott LUDLUM on the other hand...

Reeling them in Bogarde ?

Obvious troll.

It is a worry though - with the party that consistently chooses leaders from the bottom of the barrel you have identified a big concern for Australia.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way

THE number of asylum-seekers who have died seeking refuge in Australia has dramatically ­decreased…

The 212-page report — Fatal Journeys, Tracking Lives Lost during Migration — counts one asylum-seeker death in 2014: that of 23-year-old Iranian Reza Berati who was murdered in the Manus Island riots in February.

The one recorded death compares with 212 fatalities in 2013 and 356 in 2012 during the flood of asylum-seeker boats under Labor.





We know for sure.i

Yeah dna, I know a thing or two about getting the punters through the door.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:04pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples? There's none. In which case, you can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives." What I said about baby meat wasn't a joke greggorry.

I know.

However, you still can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."

It is substantiated by inference.
During the infamous years of Rudd/Gillard's killing waters, X number of boats arrived and there were Y number of deaths.
During the enlightenment era under Abbott/Morrison there were Zero boats (approx.), ipso facto there were Zero deaths.

Soren wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way THE number of asylum-seekers who have died seeking refuge in Australia has dramatically ­decreased… The 212-page report — Fatal Journeys, Tracking Lives Lost during Migration — counts one asylum-seeker death in 2014: that of 23-year-old Iranian Reza Berati who was murdered in the Manus Island riots in February. The one recorded death compares with 212 fatalities in 2013 and 356 in 2012 during the flood of asylum-seeker boats under Labor. We know for sure.

No, we don't.

What we do know for sure is that the number of deaths reported has decreased.  No argument there.

However, we don't know that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."  There's no proof either way.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

It is substantiated by inference. During the infamous years of Rudd/Gillard's killing waters, X number of boats arrived and there were Y number of deaths. During the enlightenment era under Abbott/Morrison there were Zero boats (approx.), ipso facto there were Zero deaths.

Incorrect.

Give it another try if you like.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:23am: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:57am: You see what I mean, there's a voter base already. The public don't vote for the Prime Minister though. Going by the last election, very few of them voted Labor or Greens as well!!!

Going by the current opinion polls very few will vote coalition at the next election;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples? There's none. In which case, you can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."

Ohhh, everyone knows this "saved lives" argument is a BS argument.  What absolute cr@p. 

Soren wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way THE number of asylum-seekers who have died seeking refuge in Australia has dramatically ­decreased… The 212-page report — Fatal Journeys, Tracking Lives Lost during Migration — counts one asylum-seeker death in 2014: that of 23-year-old Iranian Reza Berati who was murdered in the Manus Island riots in February. The one recorded death compares with 212 fatalities in 2013 and 356 in 2012 during the flood of asylum-seeker boats under Labor. We know for sure.

Hey look at this. Even Soren's getting in the act pretending he cares about mussies dying at sea. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:49pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way THE number of asylum-seekers who have died seeking refuge in Australia has dramatically ­decreased… The 212-page report — Fatal Journeys, Tracking Lives Lost during Migration — counts one asylum-seeker death in 2014: that of 23-year-old Iranian Reza Berati who was murdered in the Manus Island riots in February. The one recorded death compares with 212 fatalities in 2013 and 356 in 2012 during the flood of asylum-seeker boats under Labor. We know for sure. No, we don't. What we do know for sure is that the number of deaths reported has decreased.  No argument there. However, we don't know that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."  There's no proof either way.

You are seriously thinking that the Australian government, of any persuasion, could cover up completely if a boatload of people sank and drowned.

You are out of your mind.

Soren wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way THE number of asylum-seekers who have died seeking refuge in Australia has dramatically ­decreased… The 212-page report — Fatal Journeys, Tracking Lives Lost during Migration — counts one asylum-seeker death in 2014: that of 23-year-old Iranian Reza Berati who was murdered in the Manus Island riots in February. The one recorded death compares with 212 fatalities in 2013 and 356 in 2012 during the flood of asylum-seeker boats under Labor. We know for sure. No, we don't. What we do know for sure is that the number of deaths reported has decreased.  No argument there. However, we don't know that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."  There's no proof either way. You are seriously thinking that the Australian government, of any persuasion, could cover up completely if a boatload of people sank and drowned. You are out of your mind.

Operational matters: shhhhhh.

They would not even tell us if there were boats or what happened to them if they were towed or anything else.

I vote for Scott Morrison to take personal charge of the Australian contribution to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, on the spot!  Only a go-getter and a man of action can bring it under control and Scott is just that man!    ;D ;D :D :D ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

You are seriously thinking that the Australian government, of any persuasion, could cover up completely if a boatload of people sank and drowned.You are out of your mind.

how would you know if the govt. hid everything? :D :D :D

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

When Tony Abbott decides he's been PM for long enough - say after a couple of terms - I nominate Scott Morrison to take over. What a Can-Do bloke this is. It's like the old advice I once had on public speaking: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, then tell 'em, then finally tell 'em again what you've just told them. Morrison told us before the election, quite confidently, what he was going to do, then he did it quickly and with little fuss. He has reminded us from time to time what he has done . . .but he's been quite modest about it. I see no reason why he can't do for the country as a whole what he has done proficiently in his present job.

I still prefer the "Drovers Dog", much more!

Soren wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:49pm: Soren wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:38pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:53am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. I thought the left would be sending him roses considering how much they love humanity and all. We dont know for sure, theres no proof either way THE number of asylum-seekers who have died seeking refuge in Australia has dramatically ­decreased… The 212-page report — Fatal Journeys, Tracking Lives Lost during Migration — counts one asylum-seeker death in 2014: that of 23-year-old Iranian Reza Berati who was murdered in the Manus Island riots in February. The one recorded death compares with 212 fatalities in 2013 and 356 in 2012 during the flood of asylum-seeker boats under Labor. We know for sure. No, we don't. What we do know for sure is that the number of deaths reported has decreased.  No argument there. However, we don't know that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."  There's no proof either way. You are seriously thinking that the Australian government, of any persuasion, could cover up completely if a boatload of people sank and drowned.

Your words, not mine.

My words: "What we do know for sure is that the number of deaths reported has decreased."

And: "We don't know that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. There's no proof either way."

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:04pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples? There's none. In which case, you can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives." Ohhh, everyone knows this "saved lives" argument is a BS argument.  What absolute cr@p.

Yep.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif

You do realise of course that the fellow in your gif got brutally murdered within months of this little Laugh-In of his ... ?

Shot yourself in the foot again.

Is there no end to your stumbling pratfalls?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:23am: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif You do realise of course that the fellow in your gif got brutally murdered within months of this little Laugh-In of his ... ? Shot yourself in the foot again. Is there no end to your stumbling pratfalls?

Are you on drugs, or is it just old age?

What on Earth are you talking about?

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:23am: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif You do realise of course that the fellow in your gif got brutally murdered within months of this little Laugh-In of his ... ? Shot yourself in the foot again. Is there no end to your stumbling pratfalls?

Ricky posted a tweet two hours ago, so it seems that he's still alive.

What are you talking about, you old fool?

In 2019 yes I will vote for him .

Just another waste of space filling in as prime minister for the perks....

With each successive 'prime minister' we get here, I look on askance and ask, "How did we get this clown?  Where do the parties get these people?"

I have yet to see one with any genuine vision other than kow-towing to the 'too hard' basket of dealing EFFECTIVELY with the 'global economy'.... and trying to sidetrack the voting public with non-issues.....

I get it now. Labor wanted to feed the sharks. Well why didn't they just say so?

Scott Morrison as PM

Christ no

I didn't know Christ  was running?

Scott Morriscum as PM? Yes please!

LNP is currently destroying their unearned reputation as better economic managers, why not a raving loony bible basher who speaks in tongues and has absolute contempt for Parliament and tramsparency as PM? Would destroy their Law and Order credentials too.

The Libs are currently transforming themselves into a minor party of the religious right.

labor are corrupt wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

In 2019 yes I will vote for him .

Not unless you're in his electorate, or are a Liberal Party MP.

Morrison is a very effective operator I will concede, but I think his abrasive style would rule him out as a prospective PM.

Besides they are going to get their asses kicked big time next election imo

One does wonder, will Mr Abbott and his pirates get another term, after the 2016 election?.      :-?   

wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

One does wonder, will Mr Abbott and his pirates get another term, after the 2016 election?.      :-?

One would certainly hope not.

Australia can't survive two terms of these maniacs.

One need only look at the damage (both domestically and internationally) that
they've already done, much of it irreparable and none of it necessary.

labor are corrupt wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

In 2019 yes I will vote for him .

By 2019 if you want to vote for him it may be for a best Taxi driver award.

Scott Morrison is an excellent minister, unfortunately there is only a few people with that quality in the liberal party

and absolutely zero in the labor party, i cant think of one labor minister in the last six years of that dysfunctional labor government under Rudd and Gilliard who has performed anywhere near as Scott Morrison.

The labor party is a party that leaves a trail of death, 4 people in the pink batts disaster and over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) at sea.

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

Scott Morrison is an excellent minister, unfortunately there is only a few people with that quality in the liberal party and absolutely zero in the labor party, i cant think of one labor minister in the last six years of that dysfunctional labor government under Rudd and Gilliard who has performed anywhere near as Scott Morrison. The labor party is a party that leaves a trail of death, 4 people in the pink batts disaster and over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) at sea.

He is a grub, and is one of the lowest specimens of sub-humanity this country's political landscape has ever vomited up.

He has NO redeeming features whatsoever.

Kat wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:14am:

stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:03am: Scott Morrison is an excellent minister, unfortunately there is only a few people with that quality in the liberal party and absolutely zero in the labor party, i cant think of one labor minister in the last six years of that dysfunctional labor government under Rudd and Gilliard who has performed anywhere near as Scott Morrison. The labor party is a party that leaves a trail of death, 4 people in the pink batts disaster and over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) at sea. He is a grub, and is one of the lowest specimens of sub-humanity this country's political landscape has ever vomited up. He has NO redeeming features whatsoever.

Why because he has potentially saved more of these asylum seekers losing there lives at sea ????

remember over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) sunk and died at sea, all because of that labor governments stupidity.

Quote:

He is a grub, and is one of the lowest specimens of sub-humanity this country's political landscape has ever vomited up.

Thats exactly the sentiments of how i feel about dopey leftie dips*** across australia  ;D ;D

Thank god that ear wax munching, mentally ill Rudd and that big black crow JULIAR are out of the picture, the country is certainly better for it.

Kat wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:14am:

He is a grub, and is one of the lowest specimens of sub-humanity this country's political landscape has ever vomited up.

That's true.

And considering the Liberal Party these days, that's saying something.

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:03am:

The labor party is a party that leaves a trail of death, 4 people in the pink batts disaster and over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) at sea.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Your ignorance has been noted though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:03am: The labor party is a party that leaves a trail of death, 4 people in the pink batts disaster and over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) at sea. One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker. Your ignorance has been noted though.

And jumping the queue is jumping the queue.

Your stupidity is very much noted and always expected.

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:54am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:03am: The labor party is a party that leaves a trail of death, 4 people in the pink batts disaster and over a thousand asylum seekers (queue jumpers) at sea. One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker. Your ignorance has been noted though. And jumping the queue is jumping the queue.

That's correct.

However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant.

Your comments have been noted though.

Quote:

That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though.

greggerypeccary




So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way, they dont get an answer immediately, they have to wait in line as there application is proccessed, in a queue to know if they application is accepted or not.

We do take in refugees, we have a set limit number and they people are randomly chosen and put in a queue to come here.

Now we have bunch of criminals in indonesia who were exploiting australias compassionate laws that you seem at times never satisfied with and think theres not enough off, and you will still mock australia while these indonesion people smugglers mock our compassionate australia you seem to serve by creating a leaky boat and ferry service from Indonesia to australia who many dont seem like legit refugees given what they had to pay for a ride to australia, that obvoiusly you would love to see continue and see Morrisons success smashed out of the park speaks volumes of how people smuggling criminals in indonesia would find comfort in your threads, greggerypeccary

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

Quote: That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though. greggerypeccary So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way ...

There is not just one "legal" way.

Coming by boat, with no passport, is also a legal way to seek asylum.

Moreover, there is no queue to join.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:33am: Quote: That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though. greggerypeccary So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way ... There is not just one "legal" way. Coming by boat, with no passport, is also a legal way to seek asylum. Moreover, there is no queue to join.

Like I said before, the indonesia people smugglers would find such comfort in your words here if they ever happened to stumble apon ozpolitics.

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:48am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:33am: Quote: That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though. greggerypeccary So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way ... There is not just one "legal" way. Coming by boat, with no passport, is also a legal way to seek asylum. Moreover, there is no queue to join. Like I said before, the indonesia people smugglers would find such comfort in your words here if they ever happened to stumble apon ozpolitics.

People smuggling is illegal.

Seeking asylum, in a boat without a passport, is not.

You need to understand the difference.

And still, there is no queue.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:48am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:33am: Quote: That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though. greggerypeccary So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way ... There is not just one "legal" way. Coming by boat, with no passport, is also a legal way to seek asylum. Moreover, there is no queue to join. Like I said before, the indonesia people smugglers would find such comfort in your words here if they ever happened to stumble apon ozpolitics. People smuggling is illegal. Seeking asylum, in a boat without a passport, is not. You need to understand the difference. And still, there is no queue.

Of course, but altogether that didnt stop those Indonesians having a good run exploiting all these laws out there from australia and the silly UN until Morrison came along, his success you despise  ;D ;D ;D

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:56am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:48am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:33am: Quote: That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though. greggerypeccary So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way ... There is not just one "legal" way. Coming by boat, with no passport, is also a legal way to seek asylum. Moreover, there is no queue to join. Like I said before, the indonesia people smugglers would find such comfort in your words here if they ever happened to stumble apon ozpolitics. People smuggling is illegal. Seeking asylum, in a boat without a passport, is not. You need to understand the difference. And still, there is no queue. Of course, but altogether that didnt stop those Indonesians having a good run exploiting all these laws out there from australia and the silly UN until Morrison came along, his success you despise  ;D ;D ;D

It's not a 'success', it's nothing short of a national failure, a stain on our
national character and reputation, and a cause for national shame.

Both Abbott and Morrison should be charged, tried and imprisoned for it.

The people of Australia voted for it Kat. Get used to that. OK, you weren't one of them but it is beyond dispute that "stop the boats" was a central factor in the election and your view on the matter didn't prevail.

stryder wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:56am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:48am: stryder wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:33am: Quote: That's correct. However, one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker, thus, a discussion on "jumping the queue" is irrelevant. Your comments have been noted though. greggerypeccary So those people who come into this country of ours through the legal way ... There is not just one "legal" way. Coming by boat, with no passport, is also a legal way to seek asylum. Moreover, there is no queue to join. Like I said before, the indonesia people smugglers would find such comfort in your words here if they ever happened to stumble apon ozpolitics. People smuggling is illegal. Seeking asylum, in a boat without a passport, is not. You need to understand the difference. And still, there is no queue. Of course, but altogether that didnt stop those Indonesians having a good run exploiting all these laws out there from australia and the silly UN until Morrison came along, his success you despise  ;D ;D ;D

1. The UN don't have laws.

2. There has been no "success": there are still people who need to flee persecution.

Pecker can't get his head around the idea that there doesn't have to be a mass of people lining up for there to be a queue.  Concept to abstract for you, Pecks?

Perhaps you should join the "Far Queue" Bubba!

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

Pecker can't get his head around the idea that there doesn't have to be a mass of people lining up for there to be a queue.  Concept to abstract for you, Pecks?

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.  It's actually impossible to do so, because no such queue exists.  Thus, jumping the queue is also impossible.

Too simple for you?

Thanks for the red texta, Pecks. Try telling legimate immigrants that there isn't a queue while immigrants pretending to be asylum seekers sneak in the side door by conning the gullible left.
Check and mate.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

Thanks for the red texta, Pecks. Try telling legimate immigrants that there isn't a queue while immigrants pretending to be asylum seekers sneak in the side door by conning the gullible left. Check and mate.

Now you're confusing normal immigration with refugee intake.

Moreover, the majority of asylum seekers who come by boat turn out to be genuine refugees.

And, finally, there is no such thing as a "side door" when it comes to seeking asylum.  All methods are legitimate.

Perhaps you should take a little time to learn something about this subject before commenting further.  Up until now, your posts have been embarrassingly ignorant.

Bu-ba!
Thanks for coming!
Roll up. Roll up.
Two comments ror a dollar three for two.
Roll up...

Timor Sea today and a  Australian Navy boat and 2 aussie sailors are scanning the horizon. "What's happening Johno" one turns to the other .Slowly lowering his boniculars Johno responds  in a bored voice " bloody nothing Greggorry, it's been months since we've seen one of those stinky country shopper boats". "This will cheers you up , all those inner city do-gooders down south who don't have to deal with the dangers we do will be crying in the lattes because we've help stop this". At this thought they are overcome with joy and the whole ship starts singing Six months In A Leaky Boat. While 1000's of kilometres away in some inner city apartment block Sarah Fishface Young stubs out her sixth winny red on her arm in an effort to appease her guilt while her downtrodden husband jacks off to some  beastiality website in the backroom. The end. :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 12:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:59am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:56am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:52am: Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives. Any examples? So the over a thousand steady deaths that occurred during Labor's weak spineless government was automatically going to stop if Morrison didn't make the changes?? Any examples? There's none. In which case, you can't substantiate your claim that "Scott Morrison has saved hundreds of lives."

It's fairly obvious isn't it.
Morrison has taken away the smugglers main product of sale which is why the boats have stopped.
Country shoppers now no longer have a reason to travel all the way to Indonesia.
And given the smugglers boats are still leaky unseaworthy ex fishing hulks, it stands to reason that Morrison has saved lives just by stopping them from drowning.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:44am: Thanks for the red texta, Pecks. Try telling legimate immigrants that there isn't a queue while immigrants pretending to be asylum seekers sneak in the side door by conning the gullible left. Check and mate. Moreover, the majority of asylum seekers who come by boat turn out to be genuine refugees.

Not too many are coming by boat nowadays as they know there is no chance of resettlement in Australia, which is why the Coalition is closing down mainland detention centres.
The idiotic benefit of the doubt policy that the Immigration department worked with under Labor is long gone, so now any genuine refugee claims can be assessed properly.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:22am: Pecker can't get his head around the idea that there doesn't have to be a mass of people lining up for there to be a queue.  Concept to abstract for you, Pecks? One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.  It's actually impossible to do so, because no such queue exists.  Thus, jumping the queue is also impossible. Too simple for you?

Actually, there is a queue. There is an orderly queue. It is managed by the UNHCR across the globe. For Australia, 13,500 person per year are taken from that queue and settled here. Other countries also have such quotas.

You have to be registered as a refugee with UNHCR, then you have to requests re-settlement in a country. If it's Australia, you wait until you are in the first 13,500 of all registered refugees who want to settle here.
If there are, say, 135,000 registered refugees wishing to settle in Australia (this is the queue) and you are one of them, you have to wait until you are one of the 13,500 who are at the head of that queue. Otherwise you wait until it is your turn.

Actually, Greg is right.  There is no queue.  A queue assumes that each application is processed in turn, on the basis of time of presentation.  In reality, the Asylum applications are processed on the basis of need.  Those ascertained to have the greatest need are processed first.  Therefore, there is no queue and in fact, the Convention on Refugees makes it plain applications must be processed in such a way.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Actually, Greg is right.  There is no queue.  A queue assumes that each application is processed in turn, on the basis of time of presentation.  In reality, the Asylum applications are processed on the basis of need.  Those ascertained to have the greatest need are processed first.  Therefore, there is no queue and in fact, the Convention on Refugees makes it plain applications must be processed in such a way.   ::)

It is a queue ordered by need. Like a hospital emergency department.
Still a queue.
This is why the illegal boat arrivals were correctly identified as queue jumpers.

FYI, Greg, grammatically, 'there isn't a queue' is correct. While we're being pedantic.

Soren wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:32am: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:22am: Pecker can't get his head around the idea that there doesn't have to be a mass of people lining up for there to be a queue.  Concept to abstract for you, Pecks? One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.  It's actually impossible to do so, because no such queue exists.  Thus, jumping the queue is also impossible. Too simple for you? Actually, there is a queue.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

You have been misinformed.

Soren wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

It is a queue ordered by need. Like a hospital emergency department. Still a queue. This is why the illegal boat arrivals were correctly identified as queue jumpers.

Boat arrivals aren't illegal, and there is no queue to jump in order to become an asylum seeker.

Who's feeding you all this misinformation?

Very few of them are asylum seekers. Can't you understand that?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Very few of them are asylum seekers. Can't you understand that?

They're all asylum seekers.

Moreover, the majority turn out to be genuine refugees.

The gullible fringe are why they keep getting away with it. As soon as a minister with a mentality more sophisticated than a 6 year olds was put in charge...it stopped. Complicated, huh?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Soren wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:31pm: It is a queue ordered by need. Like a hospital emergency department. Still a queue. This is why the illegal boat arrivals were correctly identified as queue jumpers. Boat arrivals aren't illegal, and there is no queue to jump in order to become an asylum seeker. Who's feeding you all this misinformation?

All the illegal boat arrivals jumped the queue. Instead of waiting for Australia and the Unhcr to assess their need and their acceptability to Australia, they foisted themselves on Australia. They are not interested in protection, only in permanent settlement.
Queue jumpers is correct.

Soren wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 8:53am: Soren wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:31pm: It is a queue ordered by need. Like a hospital emergency department. Still a queue. This is why the illegal boat arrivals were correctly identified as queue jumpers. Boat arrivals aren't illegal, and there is no queue to jump in order to become an asylum seeker. Who's feeding you all this misinformation? All the illegal boat arrivals jumped the queue. Instead of waiting for Australia and the Unhcr to assess their need and their acceptability to Australia, they foisted themselves on Australia. They are not interested in protection, only in permanent settlement. Queue jumpers is correct.

They're unauthorised maritime arrivals, not illegal boat arrivals.

Moreover, one doesn't join a queue to seek asylum.  There quite simply is no queue to join, or jump.

I'd be interested to know who's feeding you your misinformation.

Of a  boat load of Tamis, 30% admitted to not fleeing persecution. If 50% of the rest think they are refugees but aren't,  that's 65 out of every 100 are just plain old country shoppers looking to subvert Australia's immigration department.  Greg doesn't believe the Australian government has any say in this.
BTW, grammatically there 'isn't a queue' is correct. Just saying.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Greg doesn't believe the Australian government has any say in this.

Of course they have a say in it.  I've never said anything to the contrary.

I'm merely stating the facts:

- they're unauthorised maritime arrivals, not illegal boat arrivals

- one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers'

Simple.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:57am:

- one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers' Simple.

One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive.  You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.  The queue is the pool of people waiting to be resettled where there are limited opportunities.

"As Prime Minister I won't tolerate people smugglers attempting to bend and break the will of the Government to protect our borders and also our will to do the right thing as a country and to provide safe haven for those in need," Ms Gillard warned.

"I want to be very clear about this: under this arrangement if someone seeks to come to Australia they are at risk of going to Malaysia and going to the back of the queue.

"This won't be the last step, but it is a big step.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/the-malaysia-solution/story-e6frf7jo-1226051644923


WS:  Sending back refugees who jump on a boat anywhere in the region and putting at the end of a very long queue in Malaysia sends a very tough message to the people smugglers and all those that are involved with them. The first step in a regional solution.

http://today.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8246229

So any body now who is in the region and contemplating getting on a boat now knows that if they arrive here then they can be sent back , if they arrive on Christmas Island they can go back to the end of a very, very long queue in Malaysia. There is not certainty anymore, no certainty anymore that they will be here and processed.

http://today.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8246229

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:57am: - one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers' Simple. One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive.  You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.

No, that is done to avoid persecution.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

"Applying for protection onshore is not a means of “jumping the queue” or bypassing the “proper” process of applying for protection.

"In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin.

"The UN resettlement system does not work like a queue. The term “queue” implies that resettlement is an orderly process and, if you join the end, you are guaranteed to reach the front within a certain amount of time. In reality, the UN resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue. Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and therefore simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option.

"Furthermore, refugees are prioritised for resettlement according to need, not according to how long they have been waiting. These needs fluctuate and are continuously reassessed. For example, conditions in a refugee-producing country may improve, allowing refugees from that country to return home if they wish; or conditions in a refugee-hosting country may deteriorate, placing the refugees in that country in greater need of resettlement."

http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/about/factsheets/10/are-refugees-who-arrive-by-boat-queue-jumpers

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:57am: - one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers' Simple. One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive.  You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.  No, that is done to avoid persecution. One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Looks like you have set up your single sandbag and sheltering behind that and in for a long haul. 

I will leave you to it, nice day out there and couldn't be bothered addressing your obdurate and deceptive defence.

**sits back.. chews popcorn... watches Greg Pecc rip 'em on this issue....

Datalife wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:10pm: Datalife wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:57am: - one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers' Simple. One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive.  You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.  No, that is done to avoid persecution. One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker. Looks like you have set up your single sandbag and sheltering behind that and in for a long haul.  I will leave you to it, nice day out there and couldn't be bothered addressing your obdurate and deceptive defence.

You can't be bothered accepting the truth:

"Applying for protection onshore is not a means of “jumping the queue” or bypassing the “proper” process of applying for protection.

"In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin.

"The UN resettlement system does not work like a queue. The term “queue” implies that resettlement is an orderly process and, if you join the end, you are guaranteed to reach the front within a certain amount of time. In reality, the UN resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue. Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and therefore simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option.

"Furthermore, refugees are prioritised for resettlement according to need, not according to how long they have been waiting. These needs fluctuate and are continuously reassessed. For example, conditions in a refugee-producing country may improve, allowing refugees from that country to return home if they wish; or conditions in a refugee-hosting country may deteriorate, placing the refugees in that country in greater need of resettlement."

http://www.sbs.com.au/goback/about/factsheets/10/are-refugees-who-arrive-by-boat-queue-jumpers

http://i.imgur.com/24cTbq1.jpg

Although I have to (once again) admire greggery's persistence.

As someone once said - he's like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.  :)

So you're basing your assumptions on UN (Judeo-American narco idustrialist) protocols.
Gotcha...
:D ::) :o

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

So you're basing your assumptions on UN (Judeo-American narco idustrialist) protocols.

I'll leave the assumptions to you.

I'm dealing in facts.

The fact that the UN system doesn't work like a queue means there isn't a queue. What a leftist puppet!

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

The fact that the UN system doesn't work like a queue means there isn't a queue.

Along with the fact that one does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 17^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

It looks like that dude on the last link is going down on somebody.

It's Ewan McGregor, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Datalife wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 12:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:57am: - one doesn't join a queue in order to seek asylum, thus, they can't be 'queue jumpers' Simple. One might think your subtle rephrasing is meant to be deliberately deceptive.  You are right, no one joins a queue to jump on a boat, that is done to avoid a queue.  No, that is done to avoid persecution. One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

That is correct - over 90% of refugees are not registered. The people assessed in refugee camps are not asylum seekers they are refugees.

Any way you look at it we have a very sad situation and it is unfortunate that in Australia we are only making it worse.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand?

How many are ducks ?

I feel a swarm coming on...,

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Of a  boat load of Tamis, 30% admitted to not fleeing persecution. If 50% of the rest think they are refugees but aren't,  that's 65 out of every 100 are just plain old country shoppers looking to subvert Australia's immigration department.  Greg doesn't believe the Australian government has any say in this. BTW, grammatically there 'isn't a queue' is correct. Just saying.

As assessed over a video link by people with a vested interest in finding no legitimate refugees.

Controlled by a government with a pre set result firmly in place.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand?

People who come here and ask for asylum are asylum seekers - 100% of them.

That is completely independent of if they are eventually determined to be genuine refugees with a valid claim or not.

I do not know what you call people who are pirated well outside of Australian waters and dragged to a third country?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand?

I don't understand why you don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

Everyone who asks for asylum is an asylum seeker. There's no getting around that fact.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are a genuine refugee.

Although, the majority of asylum seekers who come by boat turn out to be genuine refugees.

Scott Morrison for PM

I agree, he'd make a brilliant PM ....

now how do we get Somalia to first adopt him and then vote him in as their PM?

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 2:28pm: Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand? People who come here and ask for asylum are asylum seekers - 100% of them. I do not know what you call people who are pirated well outside of Australian waters and dragged to a third country?

Country shopping Hitch hikers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 3:29pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 2:28pm: Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand? Although, the majority of asylum seekers who come by boat turn out to be genuine refugees.

Time will tell as so few have been processed since the last election when the camps were overflowing.
The Immigration department is now processing claims by those who arrived when Labor was in government without using the benefit of the doubt policy which is taking some time to complete.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 2:28pm: Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand? Although, the majority of asylum seekers who come by boat turn out to be genuine refugees. Time will tell ...

I don't deal in predictions and the future. 

I deal with indisputable facts from the past and present.

The majority of asylum seekers who have come by boat have turned out to be genuine refugees.

Let's just deal with the facts, shall we, and leave your irrational fear of anyone different than you at the door?

Cheers.

Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story. Your ignorance knows no bounds. The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story. Your ignorance knows no bounds. The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes, I thought you'd find that amusing.

Perhaps you should do a little research before you submit your next embarrassing post.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story. Your ignorance knows no bounds. The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left. ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes, I thought you'd find that amusing. Perhaps you should do a little research before you submit your next embarrassing post.

Perhaps you should start repeating the shame crappy argument like a parrot.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:45pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:41pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 3:29pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 2:28pm: Most of them aren't asylum seekers. What don't you understand? Although, the majority of asylum seekers who come by boat turn out to be genuine refugees. Time will tell ... I don't deal in predictions and the future.  I deal with indisputable facts from the past and present. .The majority of asylum seekers who have come by boat have turned out to be genuine refugees

Thanks to Labor's benefit of the doubt policy which the Coalition scrapped the second day after the election win.
The benefit of the doubt policy catered to all those who threw their passports etc over the side of smugglers boats and could not be identified, however were still processed as Labor was under pressure to move these people through the detention centres.
As a consequence of this, none assessed as 'genuine refugees' can be truly believed to be genuine refugees.
Anyone with a good story was processed without due diligence checks made.
No wonder Morrison called this policy a threat to national security, and no wonder the scrapping of this policy was number one priority for Morrison the day after the election.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:57pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story. Your ignorance knows no bounds. The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left. ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes, I thought you'd find that amusing. Perhaps you should do a little research before you submit your next embarrassing post. Perhaps you should start repeating the shame crappy argument like a parrot.

It's not an argument: it's a fact.

"The Right is currently the dominant faction in the Labor party. The Labor Right faction also holds a majority on the party's National Executive."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Right

It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you.  You literally know nothing.

God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story. Your ignorance knows no bounds. The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left.

Some domination.
There behaviour in the six years they were in office pandering to the Greens demonstrates otherwise.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:57pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:52pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 5:48pm: Most have turned out to be refugees because the soft left that dominates Labor let anybody in with a sob story. Your ignorance knows no bounds. The ALP is dominated by the right faction, not the left. ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes, I thought you'd find that amusing. Perhaps you should do a little research before you submit your next embarrassing post. Perhaps you should start repeating the shame crappy argument like a parrot. It's not an argument: it's a fact. "The Right is currently the dominant faction in the Labor party. The Labor Right faction also holds a majority on the party's National Executive." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Right It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you.  You literally know nothing.

Would somebody like me and most Australians start up people smuggling again like Labor did. They are not left. They are stupid dumb do-gooders like you and your mates.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work.

Asylum seekers are not permitted to work.

The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer.

Please continue; this is highly amusing.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing.

So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/

Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps?

get off the drugs!

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps? get off the drugs!

Would you like me to explain the difference between asylum seekers and refugees to you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps? get off the drugs! Would you like me to explain the difference between asylum seekers and refugees to you?

So refugees don't claim asylum?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps? get off the drugs! Would you like me to explain the difference between asylum seekers and refugees to you? So refugees don't claim asylum?

Yes, however, asylum seekers aren't necessarily refugees.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps? get off the drugs! Would you like me to explain the difference between asylum seekers and refugees to you? So refugees don't claim asylum? Yes, however, asylum seekers aren't necessarily refugees.

Why not?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps? get off the drugs! Would you like me to explain the difference between asylum seekers and refugees to you? So refugees don't claim asylum? Yes, however, asylum seekers aren't necessarily refugees. Why not?

They need to be granted refugee status, by a government or the UNHCR.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:16pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:07pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:03pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:01pm: God damn it! I've got to pack me gear for an early morning start . Somebody has got to pay the way for  the 90% of asylum seekers still out of work. Asylum seekers are not permitted to work. The list of things you don't know, just  got a little longer. Please continue; this is highly amusing. So people released into the community who were asylum seekers aren't allowed to work?? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are you thinking of refugees, perhaps? get off the drugs! Would you like me to explain the difference between asylum seekers and refugees to you? So refugees don't claim asylum? Yes, however, asylum seekers aren't necessarily refugees. Why not? They need to be granted refugee status, by a government or the UNHCR.

So if an asylum seeker is not a refugee what are they?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

So if an asylum seeker is not a refugee what are they?

Until they are granted refugee status, they are just an asylum seeker (and a human being, of course).

If they aren't granted refugee status, they remain an unlawful non-citizen and are subsequently sent home.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:26pm:So if an asylum seeker is not a refugee what are they?

Until they are granted refugee status, they are just an asylum seeker (and a human being, of course).

If they aren't granted refugee status, they remain an unlawful non-citizen and are subsequently sent home.


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So all non certified wannabe refugees  we have in detention and in Australian society can lawfully be sent home? That would have to be a fair wack wouldn't it? As I understand granting refugee status seems to coincide with warzones.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:32pm:

So all non certified wannabe refugees  we have in detention and in Australian society can lawfully be sent home?

Their claims have to be processed first.

If their claims are rejected, then yes, they will be sent home.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:32pm: So all non certified wannabe refugees  we have in detention and in Australian society can lawfully be sent home? Their claims have to be processed first. If their claims are rejected, then yes, they will be sent home.

Why did Labor grant residency to people who aren't certified UN refugees then?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:35pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:32pm: So all non certified wannabe refugees  we have in detention and in Australian society can lawfully be sent home? Their claims have to be processed first. If their claims are rejected, then yes, they will be sent home. Why did Labor grant residency to people who aren't certified UN refugees then?

From my previous post:

"They need to be granted refugee status, by a government or the UNHCR."

Well anyway I better be off to bed to pay the way for a bunch of REFUGEES still on the dole then. Better?

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:48pm:

Well anyway I better be off to bed to pay the way for a bunch of REFUGEES still on the dole then. Better?

4:50pm is rather early for bed. 

Yes, better.

(although your 90% figure is wrong too - we'll discuss that later)

Must be Hobart time. Which century?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:48pm: Well anyway I better be off to bed to pay the way for a bunch of REFUGEES still on the dole then. Better? 4:50pm is rather early for bed.  Yes, better. (although your 90% figure is wrong too - we'll discuss that later)

It's 7:51pm where I'm at Greggorry. You paste me up the current figures and then I'll believe you. Cheers.

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:51pm: Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 6:48pm: Well anyway I better be off to bed to pay the way for a bunch of REFUGEES still on the dole then. Better? 4:50pm is rather early for bed.  Yes, better. (although your 90% figure is wrong too - we'll discuss that later) It's 7:51pm where I'm at Greggorry. You paste me up the current figures and then I'll believe you. Cheers.

The onus is on you.

You made the claim, and now it's up to you to substantiate that claim.

I'll be here waiting, when you wake up.

(7:50 is still very early)

Bubba Zanetti wrote on Oct 19^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Must be Hobart time. Which century?

I'm in Perth.

It's 7:57 in Hobart.

Is Queen Victoria still on the throne?