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Message started by Sir Bobby on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:36pm

Title: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:36pm
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/electric-dreams-lockheed-says-nuclear-fusion-on-the-way/story-e6frg8y6-1227093198604


Quote:
THE “true atomic age” of limitless electricity without any radioactive waste or carbon dioxide emissions could be a reality within a decade, according to a US aerospace company that has claimed a breakthrough in nuclear fusion.

Scientists have reacted cautiously to Lockheed Martin’s claims which, if true, could revo­lutionise the global energy ­equation and space travel.

The company’s hi-tech offshoot, Skunk Works, which developed the U-2 spy plane and F-117 stealth fighter jet, said it was developing nuclear fusion plants the size of a small truck.

Without the radioactive waste from conventional nuclear fission, there are no fears of nuclear ­weapons proliferation and fewer political barriers to rolling out the technology at scale.

Lockheed Martin said the new generators could be bolted directly on to existing gas-fired electricity generators. Alternatively, they could be fitted to aeroplanes and ships that would never require refuelling and would theoretically have an unlimited range.



The “grand vision” is to be able to “get to Mars in a month, and you can only do that if you have a ton of power”, said project team leader, Tom McGuire.

Nuclear fusion — the process through which the sun produces energy — has long been the holy grail of nuclear power but development has proven difficult because of the large infrastructure required, managing the tremendous heat involved and the amount of energy required to generate a reaction.

To generate electricity the heat from a fusion reactor is used to boil water and produce steam, which spins a standard turbine currently used in gas-fired power plants.

Unlike conventional fission nuclear reaction, when one atom is split into two smaller fragments, a fusion reaction is achieved by heating gas and separating it into ions and electrons. When the ions get hot enough, they can overcome their mutual repulsion and collide, fusing together, releasing about one million times more energy than a chemical reaction and three to four times more energy than a fission reaction.

Lockheed Martin claims to have overcome earlier problems with the design of a bottle-shaped magnetic field to contain the enormous amounts of heat generated.

The company said it had several patents pending on the technology. Lockheed Martin first announced its intention to begin work on a small scale nuclear ­fusion in March last year. The speed of developments has caught many people by surprise.

Dr McGuire said the technology developed at Skunk Works would allow the release of vast amounts of energy in a controlled fashion. He said the small size of the fusion reactor units was the key to the speed of anticipated development. “Rather than the size of a large building, we can do it in something the size of a truck,” Dr McGuire said.

“It doesn’t take five years to design it; it takes three months. We think we can design, build and test it in under a year. We think we can get to a prototype in five years.”

Nuclear expert Ziggy Switkowski said if the company had achieved the breakthroughs it claimed, it was “terribly exciting” — a 100 megawatt reactor would be able to run a large mine site or a town of 100,000 people.

Dr Switkowski said the company’s timelines were ambitious. “Even if they can produce a prototype in five years, it would take another 10 years for the necessary regulatory approvals and ability to scale it up,” he said.

“In terms of widespread availability, it is still 20 years off.”

Dr Switkowski said many companies had failed in their quest to develop nuclear fusion technology but Lockheed Martin was a credible company with a good record of innovation.

The Australian Science Media Centre also urged caution on the claimed breakthrough.

Roger Dargavill, leader of the MEI Energy Futures Group at the University of Melbourne, said it was unlikely fusion power would be cost-competitive against wind and solar in Australia.

He said nuclear was low-carbon and would be an important part of the electricity generation fleet in countries where other low-carbon alternatives were not viable.

Joel Gilmore from ROAM Consulting said the Lockheed announcement was a long way from a working prototype, let alone a commercially viable power generator.

“Even if successful, the big question is what will fusion power cost?” he said.


Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by SpecialCharacter on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.



Yeah, it sounds cool. But I've still got my reservations about it - what if the reactors lose control, and it goes from controlled to uncontrolled reactions? Then, goodbye neighbourhood.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:04pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 11:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.



Yeah, it sounds cool. But I've still got my reservations about it - what if the reactors lose control, and it goes from controlled to uncontrolled reactions? Then, goodbye neighbourhood.



A fusion reactor does not have 200 tonnes of uranium ready to melt down & destroy a whole country -

they would be fed tiny pellets of deuterium smaller than a match head.

You don't have to worry.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2014 at 12:53am
Lots and lots of technical problems to be overcome before it gets anywhere near production.

They have yet to explain what materials they are going to use to withstand the extremely high temperatures generated by the Plasma which they will need to create a sustained Fusion reaction.   Tens of thousands of degrees in all likelihood.  Not much around can sustain that sort of temperature for extended periods.    ::)

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by The Stunt-free Horse on Oct 18th, 2014 at 2:45am
Nothing can hold it: may aswell be reading a rehashed big-bang article..! There'll be a few articles on string theory soon rehashing what they wrote about it in scientific american when they rewrote what they hashed together on the rewrite of the last rewrite... more ads than a kung f u  magazine ,... go go anti-intellectualism because we've got shite to buy and renovations to build so as we can all work on the boring property portfolios that make us the paper tigers we were taught by hollywood to be... the banks are rich, the stockmarkets are rich, the africans are still poor and getting poorer (go figure  ::)) via dodgy non-free-trade dodgy brothers globalised style agreements and whitey is still tripping on about fusion... young libs will be all in everyones collective faces about moonrock after the next crack party no doubt- lucky we've all grown out of it THANK GAWWWWWWWWWWWD  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html


Quote:
It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:03am
But there are many doubting Thomas's:


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/16/has-lockheed-martin-really-made-a-breakthrough-on-nuclear-fusion


Quote:
But fusion researchers have responded coolly to the Lockheed announcement.

Professor Steven Cowley, director of the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy in Oxfordshire, says he is “nonplussed”. According to Cowley, Lockheed had said “all the usual things about how it’s going to save the world and how nice it would be if [the reactor] was small” but failed to produce any details upon which their success can be judged.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am:


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html


Quote:
It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.


Bobby, the magnetic bottle will constrain the plasma.  However, it cannot and will not prevent the radiation of heat.  Nothing does, except a physically insulating material by either reflection or absorption .    You're betraying your ignorance about how physics works.   ::)

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am:


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html


Quote:
It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.


Bobby, the magnetic bottle will constrain the plasma.  However, it cannot and will not prevent the radiation of heat.  Nothing does, except a physically insulating material by either reflection or absorption .    You're betraying your ignorance about how physics works.   ::)



Heat is what the scientists want to heat up the water & turn it into steam for a turbine.

forgiven

namaste

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 6:00am:


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html


Quote:
It’s no secret that our Skunk Works® team often finds itself on the cutting edge of technology. As they work to develop a source of infinite energy, our engineers are looking to the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing nuclear fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

To mimic the energy created by the sun and control it here on earth, we’re creating a concept that can be contained using a magnetic bottle. The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

The heat energy created using this compact fusion reactor will drive turbine generators by replacing the combustion chambers with simple heat exchangers. In turn, the turbines will then generate electricity or the propulsive power for a number of applications.


Bobby, the magnetic bottle will constrain the plasma.  However, it cannot and will not prevent the radiation of heat.  Nothing does, except a physically insulating material by either reflection or absorption .    You're betraying your ignorance about how physics works.   ::)



Heat is what the scientists want to heat up the water & turn it into steam for a turbine.

forgiven

namaste


Here's the real question, Bobby, what can you make the magnetic field generators, the reactor vessel, etc,, out of that can survive that temperature for the required length of time?

Wishful thinking?    ::)

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:51pm
Dear Brian,
they claim to have solved the problem you mention:


Quote:
The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by SpecialCharacter on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:34pm
Now now children, play nicely.

Brian dear, it seems you betray your lack of knowledge of basic engineering. Yes, the fusion reaction will radiate heat, but this can easily be managed by simple engineering.

For example, depending on how the design is made, it may be the purpose to heat up the container, which then transfers heat to a coolant, which in turn powers a turbine or something. Or, it may be a byproduct, in which case it can firstly be reduced by very effecive infrared mirrors or bragg gratings, and then any excess heat removed by coolant. Possibilities abound.


Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:44pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:34pm:
Now now children, play nicely.

Brian dear, it seems you betray your lack of knowledge of basic engineering. Yes, the fusion reaction will radiate heat, but this can easily be managed by simple engineering.

For example, depending on how the design is made, it may be the purpose to heat up the container, which then transfers heat to a coolant, which in turn powers a turbine or something. Or, it may be a byproduct, in which case it can firstly be reduced by very effecive infrared mirrors or bragg gratings, and then any excess heat removed by coolant. Possibilities abound.



And so it is according to the divine plan.

Man will have limitless power & energy.

in love & the light of fusion

namaste

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by miketrees on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:03pm
Yeah ,but what about the parrots?

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 19th, 2014 at 8:53am

miketrees wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:03pm:
Yeah ,but what about the parrots?



What parrots you fool.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by miketrees on Oct 19th, 2014 at 8:50pm
There are always parrots, or frogs or wallabies or something that wont let a project go ahead

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by DaS Energy on Oct 19th, 2014 at 10:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.


Wont ever happen in Australia, both Labour and LNP have staunch policy of burn coal, burn more coal, don't do anything but burn coal!

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by SpecialCharacter on Oct 19th, 2014 at 10:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 8:53am:

miketrees wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 11:03pm:
Yeah ,but what about the parrots?



What parrots you fool.



Peccerhead the woody-pecking parrot

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
Dear Brian,
they claim to have solved the problem you mention:


Quote:
The bottle is able to handle extremely hot temperatures, reaching hundreds of millions of degrees. By containing this reaction, we can release it in a controlled fashion to create energy we can use.


*SIGH*, how does it contain the heat, Bobby?

The "reaction" is the physical force, not the heat.

Millions of degrees.  The heat of the sun.   How is it contained?  Magnetism does not prevent the radiation of heat, Bobby.

Do you need to learn basic physics?    ::) ::)

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Brian Ross on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:40pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:34pm:
Now now children, play nicely.

Brian dear, it seems you betray your lack of knowledge of basic engineering. Yes, the fusion reaction will radiate heat, but this can easily be managed by simple engineering.

For example, depending on how the design is made, it may be the purpose to heat up the container, which then transfers heat to a coolant, which in turn powers a turbine or something. Or, it may be a byproduct, in which case it can firstly be reduced by very effecive infrared mirrors or bragg gratings, and then any excess heat removed by coolant. Possibilities abound.


Please, sir, please, sir?

What physical material do we have that can withstand temperatures as hot as the sun?  For extended periods?

I must check my shares in the unobtainium mine.  They'll go well with the shares that Bobby is selling in the wishful thinking mine.   ::)

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by DaS Energy on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:47pm
The reactor is small, yes!

The heat is used to heat water, yes!

Volume of water per second to prevent a Chenoble, unknown!

Where the water come for use on aircraft, unknown!

Costs enormous against CO2 turbine, known!


Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by SpecialCharacter on Oct 20th, 2014 at 8:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
What physical material do we have that can withstand temperatures as hot as the sun?  For extended periods?


Ah, see this is your error in reasoning. You're confusing heat energy with temperature. If the reaction was simply bottled up and let go to equilibrium, then the outer box would definitely get heated up to the millions of degrees we're talking about and then melt/vapourise and be ruined.

But, it would not be. Take a car radiator or a CPU fan by way of analogy. Without the radiator or the fan, the car/CPU would overheat. But, with the radiator/fan, the car/CPU will not overheat. Now, let's extend the analogy to that of the fusion reactor.

Consider that heat transfer is *not* instantaneous. It, like all physical reactions, takes time. (If you don't believe me, fire up your BBQ. It takes time to heat up). Heat is just another form of energy. With a little high-school physics, you should be aware that:
dq = mc*dT, where dq is the change in heat energy, m is the body's mass, c it specific heat, and dT is its change in temperature.

Using conservation of energy, it is possible to heat something up and not change its temperature so long as you cool it at the same rate. Ie, energy out = energy in.

Let's return to the situation of the wall of the reaction chamber now. In simple terms, there will be a large but finite amount of heat energy being absorbed by way of infrared radiation from the fusion reaction. In other words, a lot of energy is coming into the chamber wall. If you want it to stay cool, you can counteract this by making sure that the same amount of energy goes out of the chamber. In practical terms, this means using something analogous to a souped-up radiator.

This is also how the reactor would generate electricity. The radiator transports the heat energy away from the chamber, heating water to steam. This is then fed into a turbine to produce electricity.

Any questions, class?

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:13pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
What physical material do we have that can withstand temperatures as hot as the sun?  For extended periods?


Ah, see this is your error in reasoning. You're confusing heat energy with temperature. If the reaction was simply bottled up and let go to equilibrium, then the outer box would definitely get heated up to the millions of degrees we're talking about and then melt/vapourise and be ruined.

But, it would not be. Take a car radiator or a CPU fan by way of analogy. Without the radiator or the fan, the car/CPU would overheat. But, with the radiator/fan, the car/CPU will not overheat. Now, let's extend the analogy to that of the fusion reactor.

Consider that heat transfer is *not* instantaneous. It, like all physical reactions, takes time. (If you don't believe me, fire up your BBQ. It takes time to heat up). Heat is just another form of energy. With a little high-school physics, you should be aware that:
dq = mc*dT, where dq is the change in heat energy, m is the body's mass, c it specific heat, and dT is its change in temperature.

Using conservation of energy, it is possible to heat something up and not change its temperature so long as you cool it at the same rate. Ie, energy out = energy in.

Let's return to the situation of the wall of the reaction chamber now. In simple terms, there will be a large but finite amount of heat energy being absorbed by way of infrared radiation from the fusion reaction. In other words, a lot of energy is coming into the chamber wall. If you want it to stay cool, you can counteract this by making sure that the same amount of energy goes out of the chamber. In practical terms, this means using something analogous to a souped-up radiator.

This is also how the reactor would generate electricity. The radiator transports the heat energy away from the chamber, heating water to steam. This is then fed into a turbine to produce electricity.

Any questions, class?



Well explained - Mr Character.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm

DaS Energy wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 10:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2014 at 10:38pm:
Imagine if it's true - limitless energy so cheap that it's almost free.

No pollution.

Look forward to tiny power bills.


Wont ever happen in Australia, both Labour and LNP have staunch policy of burn coal, burn more coal, don't do anything but burn coal!



The coal & oil industries will not like this if it's true.

They have $trillions invested in stinking hydrocarbons.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Datalife on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Millions of degrees.  The heat of the sun.   How is it contained?  Magnetism does not prevent the radiation of heat, Bobby.

Do you need to learn basic physics?    ::) ::)


LOL looks like some one does.   ;D ;D

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by SpecialCharacter on Oct 20th, 2014 at 11:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:13pm:
Well explained - Mr Character.


Thanks, Bobby. And if Brian wants more detail, I'm quite happy to give it to him - if he can handle the math.


Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:
The coal & oil industries will not like this if it's true.

They have $trillions invested in stinking hydrocarbons.

Yeah, but I think that's why there's a good chance it won't take off (at least not until hydrocarbons become prohibitively expensive). Think of all the other excellent renewable energy sources - tidal generators, bio-fuels, umpteen different solar sources (not just photoelectric cells), and on and on the list goes. Why don't these projects take off? Well, imho, it's because they're expensive. Private companies can't fund it because of government monopolies on the electrical grid. Governments won't fund it because nobody will replace all those lost "donations" from Big Oil.

So, in short, we're f-ed (at least in the short term).

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by DaS Energy on Oct 21st, 2014 at 12:32am

MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:13pm:
Well explained - Mr Character.


Thanks, Bobby. And if Brian wants more detail, I'm quite happy to give it to him - if he can handle the math.


Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:
The coal & oil industries will not like this if it's true.

They have $trillions invested in stinking hydrocarbons.

Yeah, but I think that's why there's a good chance it won't take off (at least not until hydrocarbons become prohibitively expensive). Think of all the other excellent renewable energy sources - tidal generators, bio-fuels, umpteen different solar sources (not just photoelectric cells), and on and on the list goes. Why don't these projects take off? Well, imho, it's because they're expensive. Private companies can't fund it because of government monopolies on the electrical grid. Governments won't fund it because nobody will replace all those lost "donations" from Big Oil.

So, in short, we're f-ed (at least in the short term).




One form of 24 hour green energy had its genesis with NASA in 2002. It is little more than a fridge with a modified restrictor valve, and alternator attached.

The Liberal and National Party is well aware of the harm Coal can bring to those seeking election after watching the election demise of John Howard who backed the development of CO2 piston and turbine application from its concept. He even mapped the entire of Australia for Urban Geothermal heat below +100*C.

Suited both to domestic and industrial and banned in Australia by LNP. It not require Coal back up nor indeed require Coal at all.

Domestic application requires a heat below +30*C and 100% self recycling.

Industrial Coal fired steam turbine (350 megawatt) requires steam at 600*C 200 bar, and lakes of water for operation.

CO2 turbine is 100% self recycling and uses no water at all.

CO2 operating cycle of +30C to +100*C 10,000 bar replaces 300 steam turbines each needing its own lake of water.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 21st, 2014 at 6:36am

MumboJumbo wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:13pm:
Well explained - Mr Character.


Thanks, Bobby. And if Brian wants more detail, I'm quite happy to give it to him - if he can handle the math.


Bobby. wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 9:15pm:
The coal & oil industries will not like this if it's true.

They have $trillions invested in stinking hydrocarbons.

Yeah, but I think that's why there's a good chance it won't take off (at least not until hydrocarbons become prohibitively expensive). Think of all the other excellent renewable energy sources - tidal generators, bio-fuels, umpteen different solar sources (not just photoelectric cells), and on and on the list goes. Why don't these projects take off? Well, imho, it's because they're expensive. Private companies can't fund it because of government monopolies on the electrical grid. Governments won't fund it because nobody will replace all those lost "donations" from Big Oil.

So, in short, we're f-ed (at least in the short term).



Not only that -
a mere 32 km below our feet is an inexhaustible supply of energy.
Beneath the crust the earth is red hot.
I think the deepest hole ever drilled was 12 km by the Russians
so 32 km does not seem out of the question for geo thermal power from anywhere on earth.


Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 24th, 2014 at 5:51am
Lockheed Martin: Compact Fusion Research & Development

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYClniDFkM



Quote:
At Lockheed Martin Skunk Works®, we’re making advancements in the development of fusion energy, the ultimate form of renewable power. Our scientists and engineers are looking at the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing compact fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by DaS Energy on Oct 25th, 2014 at 12:27am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2014 at 5:51am:
Lockheed Martin: Compact Fusion Research & Development

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYClniDFkM


Quote:
At Lockheed Martin Skunk Works®, we’re making advancements in the development of fusion energy, the ultimate form of renewable power. Our scientists and engineers are looking at the biggest natural fusion reactor for inspiration – the sun. By containing the power of the sun in a small magnetic bottle, we are on the fast track to developing compact fusion reactors to serve the world’s ever-growing energy needs.


Any form of atomic fusion provides near the heat of the sun!  Lockheed calls this the power of the sun. Its dispersing that heat or power of the sun the tricky part. Wont fit on a aeroplane wing but can be ground based, though not transportable due to the need of heat dispersal.

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 25th, 2014 at 2:28pm

Quote:
The natural abundance of deuterium in pure water is about 0.0115% on average.


1 part in  8696.

So take 8696 tonnes of seawater & you could obtain about a tonne of D2O  or deuterium = heavy water.

That is an enormous amount of potential energy.


http://www.aklectures.com/lecture/nuclear-fusion-of-deuterium-example

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by it_is_the_light on Oct 29th, 2014 at 4:22pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLkcM-bpdiA

Dying Lockheed Martin Senior Scientist Shares Insider Truth About Area 51, Extraterrestrials, UFO’s & Anti-Gravity

Posted By: Watchman
Date: Tuesday, 28-Oct-2014 13:48:33
Not long before Boyd Bushman passed away on August 7, 2014, he agreed to be video recorded for a short documentary where he openly spoke about his personal experiences with Area 51, UFOs, aliens and anti-gravity ideas. (Video below)

Boyd Bushman was a retired Senior Scientist for Lockheed Martin. He had an impressive forty year career where he was awarded many patents while working with defense contractors Hughes Aircraft, General Dynamics, Texas Instruments and Lockheed Martin.

**You can view some of those patents here. There is also another one you can view linked in this article below.**

In the last video footage (ever) of him recorded right before his death, he shared some fascinating information and photos about Area 51, Aliens, UFO’s and anti-gravity. His images of aliens will of course raise controversy given the mixed beliefs that exist amongst people about the existence of them, but could perhaps be among the most fascinating evidence out there -and from a decorated and credible source.

After all, this wouldn’t be the first time highly ranked individuals have spoken out about this type of stuff. The statements made by them seem to corroborate with all of the official documentation about UFOs that’s already been released for public viewing. Dozens of governments around the world have already disclosed this existence.

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity… anything you can imagine we already know how to do.” – Ben Rich, Former Head of Lockheed Skunk Works

“Nature never uses English, it doesn’t speak any language, but yet it’s talking to us all the time. The key thing is to identify what it’s saying.” – Boyd Bushman, Former Senior Research Scientist Engineer and Inventor at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics.

Addressing Controversy
Boyd’s Wikipedia page has been disputed for accuracy. The reason given is that the information is not properly sourced. The controversy seems to stem around Boyd’s actual involvement in Lockheed Martin. Researching around for a while I was able to find patents filed by Lockheed Martin with Boyd Bushman’s name on it. Again, there are more linked earlier in this article as well.

As per Bushman’s claims, below is an image of plans for the first reverse engineered space craft that Lockheed Martin, and himself, put together.

“We now know how to travel to the stars. The Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home.” – Ben Rich, former Head of Lockheed Skunkworks.

As a Senior Research Engineer Boyd Bushman worked for Lockheed Martin, Texas Instruments and Hughes Aircraft. He is regarded as one of the inventors of the Stinger missile and he speaks on Camera about Area 51 and advanced propulsion systems being tested there.

As a Senior Research Scientist at Lockheed Martin – Boyd Bushman reveals that Defense Contractor – Lockheed Martin has researched antigravity technology, specifically gravity manipulation by means of magnetic fields, and he shows that he experimented at Lockheed Martin’s Fort Worth, Texas facilities, proving that magnetic fields affect the gravitational field and because of that, bodies don’t fall with the same acceleration, a result different from the classical experiments made by Galileo with no magnetic fields present.

Topics Included in this presentation:

Area 51 and Black Budget Research Programs

Advanced Antigravity Propulsion Systems

Experiments in Gravity and Magnetism

We now know how to travel to the stars.

Nuclear Powered Aircraft

Nuclear Powered Flying Saucers

The Binomial Expansion – There are 8 major forces in nature, 3 of which have not been cataloged.

Will we survive Global Warming?

Traveling faster than the Velocity of Light.

The Neutrino Universe

Dark Matter and Dark Energy

Bob Lazar is validated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4

Title: Re: Lockheed says nuclear fusion on the way
Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 29th, 2014 at 8:40pm
Good video master Light.

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